DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - Whistleblower: Ivy League “Anti-Semitism” Scare Was Fake | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

Episode Date: August 19, 2026

Conflict reporter/writer/cartoonist Ted Rall and political analyst Jamarl Thomas deprogram you from mainstream media every weekday at 9 AM ET. Today we discuss:• The Trump task force created to combat “antisemitism” pushed for settlements with Ivy League universities despite government investigations that were rushed and incomplete or that failed to establish legal violations by the schools, a former Justice Department lawyer alleges in a whistleblower disclosure by former Justice Department attorney Haley Van Erem. The probe into the schools were designed to bully the schools into cutting deals for political purposes. Outcomes of the investigations were “predetermined, without regard to the evidence” in a “politically mandated effort” to shake money out of schools through settlement demands and funding freezes under the pretext of rooting out antisemitism. The complaint also says “officials targeted some Middle East Studies faculty for the content of their work and other professors for their Muslim faith.”• Another big upset victory for lefties: State Representative Angie Nixon, a progressive firebrand who could not afford a single TV ad, wins the Democratic Senate nomination in Florida. Alex Vindman, a candidate with establishment backing, raised more than 16 times as much. Will national corporate Democrats like Obama campaign for her?• You know about Fake News. Now there’s Fake Polls. Median Strategies, an organization that released public election polling in recent weeks withdrew the results of two surveys, revealing that it had fabricated the polls as part of a “short-term social experiment” meant to expose how quickly false information could spread. One of the surveys claimed that Francesca Hong was leading the Wisconsin Democratic primary for governor by more than 20 points. The false polls spread widely.LIVE ON YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/@DeProgramShowLIVE ON RUMBLE: https://rumble.com/c/DeProgramShowhttps://x.com/tedrallhttps://x.com/JamarlThomas#tedrall #jamarlthomas #news #politics

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as people trickle in exactly what you get at the various levels and how much each of those levels cost. Okay, a lot of stuff going on. I'm going to take these in reverse order just because. So you've heard of fake news. Now there's fake polls. It turns out that a company called Median Strategies was seeding fake poll results throughout the primary process earlier this year, including in that primary in Michigan that got really confusing involving Haley Stevens and Abdul Al-Said. They said it was a short-term social experiment to expose how quickly false information could spread, little, I guess, considering the fact that it could have.

have real-world repercussions in the worlds of politics. A big victory in yesterday's primaries. As producer Robbie pointed out, APEC had a great day. 200 plus of their candidates won, but they also lost a big one in the state of Florida, where state rep Angie Nixon, who is a progressive, who was so broke she couldn't afford to run a single ad on TV, defeated corporatist APEC candidate Alex Vindman, who, had 16 times as much money, and she won so handily. She did so handily. And then the lead story for today, at least for us, and we'll talk about other stuff that you guys want to talk about as

well, is this story, you know, it's like sometimes things are too bad to be true. And the Ivy League, the idea that the Ivy League was rife with anti-Semitism just sort of never really made any sense. And now we have a DOJ whistleblower who confirms that the Trump administration, ginned up all of these anti-Semitism accusations against schools like Columbia and Harvard and made the whole thing up in order to, for political reasons, and to shake them down for money. I assume that. I mean, I assume that. Well, I don't know about to shake them down for money part.

I assume they made it up. Well, now we know. I mean, so basically, the details are very ugly. So this former Justice Department attorney, Haley Van Urim, or it's Ehrem, I'm assuming it's Eram or Ehram. Anyway, Ms. Van Haram basically issued a formal complaint through the whistleblower process at the Department of Justice. And she quit last year. She was signed to these anti-Semitism probes as part of the Trump administration involuntarily. When she got in there, she found that the outcomes of the investigative,

were, quote, predetermined without regard to evidence in a political mandated effort, end quote, to shake money out of schools through settlement demands and funding freezes, that the anti-Semitism thing was a complete pretext. And also that there was a strong racism motivation here that they specifically, quote, targeted some Middle East studies faculty for the content of their work and other professors for their Muslim faith. And many of those professors, we're fired and still don't have their jobs back. I'm sure there will be no accountability for this. I'm sure they won't be rehired or apologized to or offered back pay or anything like that. But, you know, the whole thing, I will say. So on TMI, when the Gaza protests were happening, the encampments were happening at Columbia, I broadcast live from the encampments. And I went into Columbia because I'm a Columbia alumnus. So I have an alumni. card and I was able to gain access even though they had locked off at the university. And I walked around campus. And Jamar, we've never talked about it, you and I, but this was a really

crazy making experience. So I'm walking around College Walk, which is 116th Street. To my south is the encampment, very sleepy, nothing's going on. The kids are basically, there's no protest, there's no chanting. The kids are either milling around or sleeping in their tents. It's a quiet, warm day. And I encountered this Jewish woman in arms of her rabbi right there, and she was sobbing uncontrollably. And she said, and she was saying to him, how can they think like this? How can they do this? And I'm looking around thinking like, did I just miss something? Did someone just, like, say something anti-Semitic to her? Did she see an anti-Semitic sign?

Did you know what I mean? Like, I'm looking for, like, what's she reacting to? And she wasn't reacting to anything. There was literally, I stayed there long enough, and I asked her, were you attacked, were you, did you see, did you or anyone you know, where you called it any names, were you insulted? And it came down to when she was able to talk about it, she was just upset that they were criticizing Israel for their genocide in Gaza.

That's all it was. There was nothing to it. And she made, and I made a lot of this experience because for me, I think there was a lot of this going on. That like, you know, I often wear a kaffia. Before any of this started, I like it. I like the way it looks. I picked it up in the West Bank. It's a great, it's a useful scarf.

I was wearing one, you know, around the time that this happened. I'm like not going to stop wearing it because, you know, of all this. And at the 72nd Street and Broadway subway station, this guy, I guess Jewish, goes, screams at me and he goes, that you're wearing a swastika. And it was just like, so basically any indication of solidarity with or even just a reflection of Palestinian culture, which is. Ola Kofia is, is like something that, like for some Zionists, triggers them into making the leap into,

that's the same as we want to shove Jews into ovens. It's obviously madness, but, you know, it's a widespread phenomenon. Ted, I lost a client yesterday. I got an email from up from a pastor. He has a church in Tennessee that I've been doing their social media stuff for for like a year and a half. Nice guy. And he said that is, come to my attention. of your anti-Israel bias.

And if you're going to continue working with First Baptist Church, you must publicly apologize to the Jews to God's chosen people. Here's my apology. And you must do so on the show that you used to slander the God's nation of Israel. This is a big chance, Robbie. You have the mic right now. Go ahead. Apologize.

Repend. I just send him the link. Fuck Israel. And fuck you and your apology. I will never do it. Never. I serve the cross, not the star of rim fan. You sir are a false shepherd.

You are a liar. You are misleading your flock. And I hope that they leave your church in droves. You sir are scum. And if I go bankrupt because of this, eat a dick. I like your style, Robbie. I would have just sent him a dick pick. He's some randos, pickpick.

He doesn't deserve my own dick. He deserves a randum. You don't deserve mine. It's, I don't know, I experienced this through rage, which makes it difficult to think you through. That woman puts me in the mind, I mean, I think she encapsulates the war in its entirety. You have a woman who nobody is touching, nobody is doing anything to, screaming, crying, bloody murder for things that are in her mind. And from the standpoint of the state of Israel, ignoring, meaning what's more important to her is that these people are camping out, not the fact that Israel has murdered 100,000, if not more people, two thirds of which are women and children, 30% of which are babies. That doesn't matter to her, right?

What matters to her is, oh, my God, I can't believe you guys feel this way about the state of Israel. Israel as it goes through systemically murdering, raping, killing, and pillaging all of these areas, not to mention going into Lebanon or for that matter going into Syria. Like, I have no sympathy for her. In fact, I think she's a lunatic. She probably needs medical attention. She's nuts. And these people are there who's making this argument like, oh, my God, the fact that they're camping out,

them camping out is to make the point that your colony of squatters is on a murder spree that the United States is fundamentally absolving. I mean, for fuck's sake, they were starving local populations and then shooting those populations when they would go and get food and they were doing it for sport. They enjoyed it. They got a sick sense of satisfaction out of it. I could show you the videos of the soldiers that were doing it. So, like, so her, yeah, I have no sympathy for that woman. I think she's nuts. In fact, of the matter is, from my point of view, they're not always compromises. there are certain times that sides need to lose. Meaning they need to fail and fail completely and absolutely.

And this is one of those times. That woman is a dinosaur. She may be a very nice person to her grandkids and to her other people and everything else. But if she's defending a genocidal regime, then yeah, I don't think much of her. And I agree with you. I think a lot of that was taken place. And what makes it worse and what makes it worse and what makes this argument difficult for me, is that she may have been serious.

Like, meaning from her point of view, there might have been no malice in it at all. It might have really been, oh, my God, I can't believe they feel this way about the Jews. And it's not about the Jews. It's about the colony of squatters that just so happened to be Jewish. Meaning the Judaism is not the issue. The Zionism is the issue, the political affiliation. And it's the specific fact that the United, the competition. simplicity and with the United States. I mean, you know, one of the big definitions that, you know,

sort of modern Zionists try to, you know, append to the traditional definition of anti-Semitism is criticize, you know, subjecting Israel to special or additional criticism that other countries are not subjected to. Look, when Myanmar goes after the Rohingya, they don't do it with American bullets and bombs. You know, when the rapid support forces go after ethnic minorities in Darfur, they don't do it with U.S. financial and logistical support. Israel does do that. They're the number one biggest recipient of U.S. assistance, militarily, intelligence, and economically, in the world. We ignore famines while we're sending billions of dollars to Israel. That's different, right?

I mean, it's really, it's our business. You know, it's that thing, like when you're lending money or, you know, if you have a friend who you're lending a lot of money to, and they say, and you're like, hey, you know, you sure are snorting a lot of cocaine. And they're like, it's not your business. Oh, it's my business because that's my money you're using to do that with. And like what Israel does is my business because they're doing it with my money. What Myanmar is doing sucks, and maybe we should say something about it, but it's not my business, really.

You know, it's not my, it's not like I'm not implicated. So this whole, I mean, this whole thing is, I mean, by the way, yesterday, I wanted to mention this on the show. I'm glad that we're talking about this. I wanted to get your take on it, JT. So I was using several like chat GPT, grok, those kind of clods, to try to, see some doing some research on a piece about the aspect of the genocide that is often not talked about which is not just the killing of the people but the just the systematic destruction of the infrastructure right like like not only first you bombed an entire area but then you send in

special teams to blow up and detonate whatever buildings managed to survive in whole or in part afterwards. And I thought, you know, so I was researching that. And all of them, when I said, please compare this tactic with similar tactics that Nazi Germany might have used during World War II. And they were all programmed to say that there is no such comparison. Israel is engaged in the process of going after a violent military adversary. They have to, they're defending themselves from 2023. And I'm like, I don't ask you about, you know, I'm not asking you about October 7th. I'm not asking you about that. I'm just saying, did Nazi Germany ever go in to do similar things? So when I rephrase the question and I said, you know, take out the comparison with Israel.

And I'm just like, okay, did not see Germany ever go in and detonate buildings after saturation bombings in areas that it occupied? And the answer is, yes. It did so in Warsaw not once, but twice. It did it after the Warsaw Ghetto uprising. And it did it again after the uprising of the Home Army against Nazi Germany. And in both cases, Nazi Germany was clear that they wanted to make sure, A, that Poles would no longer have a place to live in Warsaw. There would be no place for them to take shelter. And B, they wanted to send a message to anyone else who would dare to oppose them. Now, that sounds a lot like what, you know, that's, it sounds, Israel hasn't talked about why they do this, but it's pretty clear that those are probably among the primary motives. But I just thought, like, they've, such is the Zionist influence that they've even managed to program AI in order to provide pro-Zionist propaganda inside your responses.

Yeah. I remember my ex one day, her and I used to get into arguments. And the arguments used to piss me off. There's some people I can get into arguments with it, and there's no issue. If I know as a flat fact that you know nothing about an issue, like as I know, like as a flat fact with metaphysical certainty, that you know nothing about an issue, and you're arguing with me about it,

taking this European propaganda position, and you go on a search engine and you look up something and you say, well, Google says this. and my response is, I don't give a shit what Google says. The reality of it is, what's programmed into it. As a software engineer, it's only spouting what's program into it. Totally. It's like, that's the issue with AI systems and the stuff,

like where people are like, I'm going to do research and I'm going to look up in AI. And so, hey, go and find so and so and so and it returns something. Okay, but it's returning what's been programmed to return to you, not what's true. It's not the Oracle at Delphi. Right. Yes. It's not the Oracle of Defi. It is giving you what your government or what people in positions of power want you to know, not what's true. It's like Stalin erasing Trotsky out of a picture and then putting the picture back. And you're like, oh, here's this picture. Hey, wasn't Trotsky there? Well, no, he's obviously not in the picture. Right? It's that. But it's that on a massive scale on all sorts of topics. Think of Wikipedia and the editing that continuously takes place about Wikipedia. It's like you go in and you update your account.

And then you come back as like, Ted Rawl is a dirty communist that apparently grabbed Jamal Thomas' ass. It's like, what? I didn't do that. But that's the record, right? Right. For the foreseeable future. For anybody that searches that doesn't do a second search on it.

No, it's, look, man, AI, people are taking this very likely. And it's not very light. What you believe and what you know is, like, radically. related to what you do and what you think. And, you know, putting that in, like, it was obvious that they were doing it. I mean, they did it yesterday at Lebanon. Like, they would take it down the village and they would blow up, like, the entire village. And then they would move to the next one.

Yeah, they blew up the entire village simultaneously and videoed it in order, and then released it on social media. Yeah. I mean, basically, it's, they're like, they're the Nazi version of Nelson. I mean, literally. Yeah. It's wild. Like, who shows their crimes?

Yeah. And then they get mad at us and they're like, oh, my God, I can't believe you're calling it's a genocide. Dude, you're filming it. You are filming it for your own pleasure. Right. And then we call you psychopaths. Yeah, I mean, seriously, there are Twitter feeds that are Palestinian Twitter feeds, and all they do is scrape content from his IDF soldiers who are posting their own crimes

on their socials. And there's just like, and you see, I mean, it goes on and on and on, the looting, the desecration. You know, it's amazing. But if you guys, AI, AI would say, well, those are, that's speculation. That's, you know, those aren't verified.

Those aren't verified claims and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It likes to say how complex is. This is a complex situation that's always evolving. That's why that kind of lawyers it. Both sides are always beating each other up. It's the Middle East. It's how it is. It just happens.

It's like thousands of years. Who can stop it? And then if you ask the AI, it's like, hey, so the Nazis had a point. And it was like, well, no, absolutely the Nazis were wrong. But then meaning both sides in it falls apart when you bring up Nazis, meaning there is a condition in our history where something was taking place that was so radically lopsided in regards to the way and the behavior of the people that it's not. two sides. It's clearly important. I encourage anyone to try this, by the way. Do try what I tried? Like, ask for comparisons

between Nazi tactics in World War II and Israeli tactics in Gaza. See what it cops up. I mean, it could, because here's the thing, right? It could have simply said, you know, there's really, they don't use the same tactics, and here's why.

But they're not that. They go on into this long-winded, like, no, no, no, no, no, you have to understand. like the Israelis are dealing with October 7th, you know. I mean, it's a justification rather than just an, it's not even a biased answer. It goes beyond a biased answer. It's, you know, it's, it's ridiculous.

It's propaganda. It's Pablo. It's like, it's making excuse on behalf of Israel, which is, it's like, why is my AI making excuses? Answer the fucking question, right? So weird. Let's talk. The Chinese version would do it. Have you tried it on one of the,

the Chinese versions? No, I will do that. I bet it doesn't do that. I will try that, though. Let me ask you also about... Wait, wait, wait, wait. God, man, this is a pressing conversation. Yeah. Just a conversation today. Well, I'm sorry, ask your question first. I will come back to it, because we can hit what I'm going to say. Okay, all right. Well, all I wanted to ask you is, so, okay, how fucking stupid are the provosts and deans and presidents, and trustees of schools like Columbia, where I went, and, you know, and Harvard and Penn, that they fucking caved to this Trump administration bullshit. Instead of just like saying, like looking into it, I mean, like,

Columbia issued is the school that is deemed to be even under the DOJ whistleblower stuff, like the likeliest to actually have some truth to the anti-Semitism claims. So I read the detailed, Columbia report on anti-Semitism. I read it very carefully. There's nothing there. Nothing. It's long.

It's kind of like, there are words, and there are many of them. But there's literally no there there. If you were a reporter and it was like 1980 when there were still editors who checked facts and you brought this to your editor and you said, I could read about it, you'd throw you out of his office and say, come back when you have something, right? There's nothing there. How does it that these universities cough? up tens of millions of dollars at the same time that they're turning down applications for

financial aid from board students right like how is it that they can fucking justify i mean how stupid are they like did they just figure we just want to shut up the administration did they know it was fake did some part of them think it might be true were there enough Zionists among the alums and the and the upper administration to say yeah actually it's kind of true like anti you know anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism. I mean, like, I'm trying to get into the heads of like, if you, like, I'm the kind of person, if you give me a parking ticket and it's unfair and it's $25, I'm not paying. I'm fucking, I'm going to court.

Like, why would they pay tens of millions of dollars in donor money from alums to the U.S. government for nothing? It could be all of those things. And it could just be there weak and they were afraid. maybe they thought it was going to be worse. Maybe they thought the publicity was bad. And maybe it could have just been the war's taking place. And I mean, look, our station even took a back seat in the beginning when the war first happened, right?

Like, meaning even we were skittish. Television stations were skittish. Well, television stations are basically Zionists. But for all intents purposes, meaning people that was a hesitancy about dealing with the issue, honestly. And then university might have been stuck with the same thing. I mean, I think another question to that is also this government got people to work on cases that the people were working on those cases fully knew was politically motivated and did it anyway. The fact that there was on one whistleblower when they had all of these cases, they were just political. These are attorneys. You can be disbarred for this.

You can be disbarred for less. And yet they did it. And yet they did it. And yet, If they did it, like, there's something inherently wrong with this. And look, I will tell you, inside baseball, I ain't probably going to lose a guess because they didn't necessarily like something that was said by another guess on another topic. Basically, there's a topic. There's what you would find, and you probably know this, when different segments of a political space often disagree with other segments of a political space. So let's say something happens in one country, and an analyst is covering it has a particular point of view because they cover it in that region. And then another analyst has a radically different point of view because they cover a different region and they disagree with the fact that somebody is saying something. Now, what am I to do with this?

And I feel like I'm in a very similar position as people that are either the lawyers that are working in the government where the government says, hey, go do this or we're going to fire you, or somebody else in the alumni where they're like, hey, we know this. is bogus, do we fight it or do we pay? And if we fight it, what are going to be the consequences if we indeed fight it? It becomes that. I mean, I got to be honest. I think the only response is to tell them to fuck off, meaning that's what they should have said. That's what Columbia should have said. That's what all of those schools should have said, and they should have done it in unity, basically having a united front. If the government is going to have this fight, then we're willing to have this fight because they are committing a genocide. Those kids, all right. They should have backed their people who were in the faculty and everything else.

Yeah. But instead, those are your, those are your faculty that you hired. And they flipped. They flicked. I mean, this is the same, Columbia is the same school that employed Edward Said for years. Although they were thinking of firing him for the time that he symbolically threw a rock at an IDF checkpoint in, I think the occupied West Bank. You say, yeah, he just sort of threw it in the direction of it.

I mean, he didn't do anything. I think this answers your question. Like, if they were going to get rid of him for something he did that wasn't even in the United States against terrorists and killers, then all bets are all. They were never going to defend the faculty. Things are only crazy even now. So thank you, Robbie.

Robbie put into DeepSeek, which is Chinese AI, the same question, right? So it's basically the question was, I don't want to go too deep into this, because it'll take too long. Give me a comparison of Nazi tactics in World War II and Israeli tactics in Gaza and Lebanon, please. And basically, it goes on. The comparison is meaningful only if it is precise. Like Nazi policy was not merely excessive warfare. The Nazi policy made racial hierarchy, territorial colonization,

forced removal, all sounds stuff like that Israel's doing. Inslavement. Israel doesn't do that. And the physical destruction of, well, I guess they do kind of do that. And the physical destruction of the Jews' central of state objectives. The Holocaust was a state-sponsored, ideologically driven murder of six million Jews, blah, blah, blah. Israel publicly frames its Gaza campaign as a war against Hamas after Hamas's October 7th attack. Okay, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And then Robbie continues. Deep Seek, so you are not going to do a meaningful comparison. And then it's just like, you're right to press on as AI does. And it goes on the crucial, the core distinction, the critical difference is intent and target. Nazi tactics were part of a state-sponsored genocide. Israel's operations, regardless of ones of view on their proportionality, are tactical and strategic campaigns against militant groups with specific military objectives. It's so dark.

Military conflict, not a program of systemic extermination. It's not a military conflict unless you're primarily attacking military targets. And, yeah, civilians get in the way sometimes. That's not what's going on in Gaza or in the West. I wonder if it's because it's historical context. Like, it's like Hitler doesn't see. like a person, right? He's some demonic ghoul of social action. And Nazi Germany doesn't seem like an actual state. It was a state. Hitler was a person. He stung his tone. He had bad breath. He was a person.

And the reality of it is, just like Israel as a state, is taking certain state action. Nazi Germany took certain state action to get rid of the Jews. In this case, they're taking state action to get rid of the Palestinians. Why on earth with the Trump administration and the Biden administration, and the Biden administration, administration talk about getting rid of the Palestinians into a different country, meaning force migration of the Palestinian population. They were talking about trying to put them in Egypt. They were talking about trying to put them in Jordan. You still talking about. Yeah. So like, they even talk about sending them to the Central African Republic. Hence my point. It's like, don't give me this shit that this is not extermination or removal. That's exactly what it is. and if not a little discrimination.

Yeah, it's like, look, if your military action is like, okay, well, we're going after Hamas, that would look different, right? Like if you and I were somehow woke up tomorrow morning and we're both generals in the IDF and we're in like the equivalent of the situation room and we're trying to figure out how to put the Kaibosh on Hamas, we're not doing, we're not sending in demolition squads and wasting resources to tear down buildings that are sort of half still standing, right? That's a waste of resources. We're not doing that. We're going into the tunnels, right? Like, that's the main thing. We're going into the, we're blasting into the tunnels and we're going to do, you know,

combat underground because that's where Hamas is. That's what you'd be doing. That's not what they're doing at all. No, they're going for mass killing campaigns. When you're blowing the up, and let's be very clear. They're radically racist. Yeah. Like the racism and off the scales. I mean, it's money. It's crazy. The ways that they talk about the Palestinians, yeah. Jewish supremacists. They look

at them as dogs and animals. And so they're running when they're attacking Christians too. Yes. Well, they don't like Christians all that much either. Well, they never do. Now, now the mask is off. Oh, the mask is way off. It's like, we need one guy.

They used to go easy on that because they didn't, you know, because of the fact that they were, you know, getting the helping hand from, you know, big Papa U.S. But they had to go easy on the Christians. Well, not now. Yeah, not anymore. That's wrong. But what about these fucking schools? Yeah, well, we talked about that.

All right, let's take some comments about this. The Macedon, thanks for the five bucks. The IHRA, the Holocaust remembrance people, definition got savaged by the new South Wales Supreme Court. today in Australia as verbose, imprecise, and detached from reality. It was in Germany, two of them. It was in Germany, where the person was, I think it was like anti-Semitism with some life than the person won the case. Like, this shit's going to struck down.

They are intentionally trying to conflate Zionism with Judaism, and these things are very different things. And they do that for the explicit point of saying, well, if you criticize Zionists, you are by definition criticizing Jews. nonsense. Nothing can be further from the truth. That's ridiculous. A lot of Zionists aren't Jewish. A lot of Jews are not Zionists. Yes, I know.

But they try to opposition to American policy in the middle. And in the least it's Jewish right now. Most American Jews are not into this. True. And to make it even worse, like the, they do it on purpose to try to gen up anti-Semitism. I mean, when they know who, is saying, this is home of the Jews. And this quote, home of the Jews has gone on a mass murder campaign. Okay, what are people going to feel potentially about Jews if they're not necessarily grasping the fact that the state of Israel has nothing to do with Judaism in a direct sense of the term?

Meaning they're conflating the two because they want people to be antisemitic. So then Yahoo, because they look at all the anti-Semitism. It's feedback loop that they're effectively trying to do. We should never allow them to. And it has worked for decades. It's not, you know, obviously the spell is broken, but it has worked. F you said, thanks for the dollar. So Israel bombed to the Turks. I'm glad you brought this up, F you said. Are we adding Turkey as an enemy of America now? Will Turkey shut down Israel's oil supply?

So this is a reference to Israel bombed, I guess, a Turkish base because they don't want the Turks to supply Syria and be Syria. I mean, that's amazing when you think about where things were 25 years ago, where Israel and Turkey were almost like allies. Well, they still work together. And then Erdogan can say whatever he wants. Erdogan was instrumental in working with Israel to take down Syria. So he plays that good game. He screams like, oh, they're, you know, Mani al-Lu's like Hitler. Here's more gas.

Here's more oil. Yeah, but obviously things are much more tense now. I mean, obviously. But the bombing, that bombing took place a while ago, though. That wasn't recent, wasn't it? It was yesterday. That happened yesterday. I didn't see the bombing. Yeah.

The answer is no, because Israel has bombed Syria before and bombed Turkish weapons depots and stuff like that in Syria before. Erdog complained. Erdog didn't do anything about it. If you so, waiting for the pro-Zionist messaging in porn, they do own most of it. You'll be conditioned to be aroused over Israel. I feel that like that about like the, you know, the hot, the hot IDF soldiers that they put on X. It's like, it's like, she is hot. She's a hot girl with a gun.

That's hot. But it's like, scary. Virginia dentata. Horses are people, too. Thanks for the $5. Mad respect to Robbie for not bending the knee and serving the Antichrist. Let's see. Blake is getting closer to the $5,000.

Can we please get a full screenshot of those. massive many milkers and get and them great teagle bitties of years did he put money on that dollars and dollars is what it's going to cost you wait wait how much money did you give to make that comment so far he just he's kicked him so far i think we have about 11 bucks it's going to take a while we'll get to 5 000 yes it's 4900 uh national debt will be made off first yeah um farajaj thanks for the two bucks um jimar what guest is an issue bro you don't Not bringing it. Look, I'm annoyed right now, which is why it's only cute.

All for two bucks. The Ted Meme Club, thanks for the $10. Trump tweeted in 2011 that, quote, once Iran has a nuclear weapon, they will close the strait of Hormuz, and oil will be $300 a barrel, close quote. However, Iran closed it without a nuclear weapon, and oil's not 300 yet. Well, in the words of the little girl from Adam's family,

wait. I mean, I just saw the diesel thing. Did you see the nut, like, what do they call it, diesel crack? For the first time, it's hit over $100. And Europe is already going to end up in a food shortage of certain vegetables and things like that because of dry temperatures. Obviously, fertilize is going to be an issue. Now, winter's coming, man.

It's like the, it's like, yeah, it's like in, what's that? Interstellar where they say, like, oh, like, we don't have Brussels sprouts anymore. I'm thinking, I wouldn't care about that. there's other things I don't care about. Well, global warming fix the winter problem, though. I mean, the Russians keep banking on winter to help them beat Ukraine. And winter's been really kind of mild. So maybe winter's not the ally used to be to the Russian.

Well, not in Europe. Europe is going to get us to my stage. Well, just to be clear, when I'm saying winter's coming, I'm talking about Game of Thrones reference. No, I know. But, I mean, winter really is coming. And one of the Russian ministers yesterday said that they are going to hit the Ukrainian power grid this winter. Harder has ever been hit before. It's like that would be an inconvenience.

But if it stays around 30 degrees, you're going to be fine. Yeah, but honestly, Europe is getting colder now because of the breakdown of the transatlantic current. Ukraine is part of Europe in it? I mean, is it I mean, the Carpathians are there, but I mean, they're still In fact, they're still I don't think they're part of the same weather system really.

I mean, you're praying in Russia. It gets cold, Robbie. I know, but it's still warming up. I know. Like, regardless of what our winters are. Look, I'd take this. When I was in Poland,

I think it was about six years ago. It was like negative 30 degrees. Yeah, Russia would be cold. Yeah, you realize that was going to stay in Petersburg, and you're like, wait, That's called Finland Station for a reason, right? It's like, it's Finland's right there.

Yeah. And I remember the guy telling me, what are you talking about? These are the warm winters. It's like you're out of your first time I flew into Moscow. And it's like, I was like, wow, there sure are a lot of A frames. Just like ski country. Yeah, it's cold. Like, meaning that's not a nothing threat when they say that.

And apparently they've been saving up drones and all of this other stuff. So, yeah, they probably. going to have Ukraine is probably going to have a difficult winner. That dimension is also kicking in a dollar to see my to see my moves. All right. Do it to do it. Well, $12 down for $4,988 to go. All right. So, God, I have to say probably there's probably never been a less exciting countdown. Okay. Oh, before we move on, let's talk about the subscriptions. We really need you guys to subscribe. If you're not a subscriber now, please, please, please do subscribe for 5, 10 or 20 bucks a month. Tier 1 is 5. You get access to member only videos and the Q&As are going to be behind that bay wall. That's only going to be for you guys. That's coming up soon, I'm afraid. But the regular show will still be free for everybody. Tier 2, 10 bucks, you're going to get that stuff. Plus, you'll be thanked in the outro credits.

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That is the next, the first one's going to be, it's going to be every month. The first one's going to be August 27th, at 7 p.m. Eastern Time. It's also going to be an evening thing for you guys who want to do that. All right. Let's talk about Angie Nixon. I always think of Angie Wong because Angie in Florida. Angie Nixon has different politics than Angie Wong. So Angie Nixon is a lefty progressive.

She is a member of the DSA, the Democratic Socialists of America, but she was not endorsed by the DSA. I'm not really sure why they'd get your shit together. But anyway, the point is she scored a surprise upset by quite a sizable margin against corporatist, APEC-backed Alex Vindman, who had 16 times more money than she did. I guess my big question here, Jamarle, is, are we going to see, first of all, is there, does she, if corporatists like Obama and Chuck Schumer were to, to endorse and maybe campaign with her.

Could she win in the general election, even though Florida has become, it's no longer a swing state, it's definitely a Republican state. She needs money. I mean, like, do you remember that joke that's a Obama won the election with hope and a billion dollars? It's like, it's a million dollars.

Yeah, the hope pelt, it was a billion dollars. whatever happened to Vindman in that election where he just fundamentally collapsed to a person apparently with no cash that can even run a campaign at. What kind of candidate is that that loses a race like that? But for whatever particular reason, God bless her for being able to win that race. But she needs help. Like, I mean, she does need help. Well, Blue No Matter, but don't you know, I mean, Blue No Matter who only applies when the candidate is a corporatist. Exactly.

Candidate is a progressive. It does not apply. You can just look at Abdul al-Said, who I don't think has any, you know, there's no indication that he's getting corporatist support from the DNC, that they're going to fly Obama out there to campaign with them. I mean, if he got had Obama alone, done, in like Flynn, finished, game over. He would immediately get the corporatist Democrats on his side from that endorsement alone. Yeah, that's why they endorsement.

And also James Clyburn and Chicago. go out there and campaigned for him. Yeah. I mean, Kamala Harris matters less of them. I don't think she's popular. And I don't think, like, I know a lot of people are like, Kamala Harris brings the black vote. No, she doesn't. She didn't bring the black vote in the primary. Joe Biden bought the black vote, ironically. The white guy is the one that bought the black vote. She brought, she brought the white liberals. Good point. Good point. That's a good point. Fair point. look, whether it's El Saeed, whether it's the woman in Florida, Angie, Annie, Angie, it's Angie. They both will need...

Angie Nixon's cool, by the way. If you see her, if you, you should look at some of her videos. She's definitely like, she's spicy. Is she? Yeah. Maybe that's what they need it. And I still say this. From my point of view, I think the sooner is falling. And obviously, we have huge number of elections all across the United States. So, there will be, that will take time. But it seems like the center is falling. I mean, on earth, that she win that race without even running a television act.

I mean, the beat like 16 to 1. And even with the Elsa Aeed case, he was beat what, 8 to 1 or something like that or 12 to 1, whatever that number is. Yeah, yeah. They were using $60 million dollars because the past the lens. Yeah. This is, that's not normal in our politics.

Like usually like, not what do you think is happening here? I mean, obviously people are really pissed. Yeah, I think the center has fallen. I think the typical candidate that people typically see that represents either Democrats or Republicans, the people have gotten into their minds that they have failed. They don't represent their interests. I think it's that. I think they're looking around and they're saying to themselves, I think these people are corrupt.

Or at the very least, I don't think these people represent what they say they do. I mean, keep in mind, the Democratic Party is still living off of FDR. And the comparison between the two. Oh, God. Ridiculous. I mean, I'm sorry, they call them communists. Right? Meaning, they're still living off the legacy of FDR to kind of give broad contours to what they claim Democratic Party is.

When they ran up against a guy who's basically FDR, they put a knife in him and they cheated the guy. And even now with LSA and some of these other people, not only do they not support them, they call them communist. I think the public is noticing something. Well, there's also, I wanted to talk to you both actually. But more you, JT, about this particular question, about electability. So, you know, electability has always been the potent weapon of the moderate, the centrist, the corporate Democrats against progressives. It's like, it's going to be easier for our guy to win in the fall than you're a guy because

your guy is too far to the left, right? And you're going up against the mean Republicans. You've got to go, you've got to be more reasonable. You've got to tamp it down. There's some indication now. I mean, there never was until recently any indication that there was any evidence for that idea. I mean, we know that Bernie Sanders was more likely in tracking polls to defeat Trump in 2016 and in 2020 than either Biden or, you know, or Hillary Clinton. And Trump himself thought that.

Trump's internal polls reflected that. Trump still will tell you that he thinks he would have lost to Bernie. the I mean, you know, to the extent that who can believe anything Trump has to say, but anyway, he, he, that's his schick. I guess what happened, you know, I mean, now it seems that, there is some data that shows that actually the current crop of DSA people are about, on average, about one to two points less likely to win. They need to, they have a one or two point deficit over the average corporatists when running in a general election in the fall. But what's interesting to me is that argument is landing completely flat with progressive voters. It really seems like they don't

care. They would rather, in the same way that corporatists would rather lose as corporatists than win as progressives, now progressives would rather nominate a progressive and hope for the best then nominate a corporateist who might have a slightly better chance of winning, but isn't going to do anything even if they do win. Exactly, which is the point. They should have that tape. They should have always had that tape. And this argument, for one, Sanders would have beat Trump.

If you offer people, hey, here's the blue-collar billionaire pretending to be an everyday man versus the real guy who actually believes the stuff. Meaning this guy's pretending to be for pro-worker, not look at this other nonsense, where this guy is actually pro-worker. Okay, if you put this guy against Hillary Clinton, okay, well, he may actually look like the pro-worker candidate, right, but a pro-economy candidate, as opposed to Hillary Clinton, who does not. If you put him up against Sanders, I think the choice is kind of clear.

Sanders is pretty straightforward. Trump can mimic ape lie, true, but he's still constrained by the political party that he's effectively in. Sanders, it's just Sanders. He's done it, you know, three in the morning, he'll tell you what he thinks. Progressives, lefties, whatever they want to call themselves, should have always taken this tap. Always. When you beat the corporatists, you've already demonstrated that you are the better or stronger candidate at the release against the corporatists.

You can work after the fact in order to try to, meaning you deal with one problem at a time. I don't want that. This is an office because it doesn't accomplish my objectives. Meaning even if you win, I get nothing out of the fact. that you want. Take over the Democratic Party first, then go after the Republicans. Exactly. You deal with your first monster, go after the second.

You may be able to support from liberals that actually believe the blue no matter who, especially if they hate the Republican enough. Who keeps the monsters up? It's still true, right? Even if it's a quote, DSA person who just so happens to get into the Democratic Party, yeah, you deal with the first monster and then go out of the second. Like this propaganda of what this other person is more electable. Okay, that's pretty self-interested argument there, buddy.

I don't accept it. And also, even by the way, if it's like, it's not very compelling when, like, the data, like, Nate Cohn is like, well, you know, one to two percentage points advantage. I mean, okay, I think we could probably overcome that, right? That's a rail to gear. Yeah, yeah. And with, you know, like an extra couple of days pushing, you know, bringing doorbells, we should be able to be okay. Yeah. And if you get, meaning, if you can bring the party together, you can do it. Yep. I'm not saying it's easy. But you've got to expel the corporatists. I mean, yeah, but you also need to show that Blue No Matter Who is nonsense. Like it's bullshit. They don't believe it.

No. Meaning you, because you effectively put that to them at this point. In fact, they should start screaming Blue No Matter Who. after you'll say he beat some shit, it should say blue no matter of him. Yeah. He should. It's like they use that nonsense for God knows how long. It was effective. Continue to use it.

Basically hanging them on their own partard. Either you show that they were false and that they were always using that for their own self-interest or it ends up being true just because of how much they hate Trump and they want a bulwurst against the Republicans, meaning the public itself may want a bullworth against Trump, meaning regardless of who else he is or who the other candidate was, they would vote from. So, no, you put it to them. They're that terrified of Republicans. Fine. Vote in. Yeah. As far as the right goes, I think that if you come out against Israel, there's no way you're going to win in a Republican primary. It's just like that. Well, yes, they proved it. I mean,

so Thomas Massey can't. I'm sorry to end up real quick. You really think that. I mean, even with the youth vote and Republicans versus the older vote, that split doesn't make the difference. It doesn't factor in right now. Maybe in 15 years, maybe. But I mean, so I'm thinking about it. So the right has something that the left doesn't have. And that is this religious indoctrination. So like on the right, you've got Christians United for Israel.

So you have Coofee. That's a major voting block goes in, galvanized evangelicals. That's just John Hagee's organization. It's called Christians United for Israel, and that's a big down-the-boat thing. So it's kind of Apex's little brother. Then you have the corporate RNC machine on top of it, and then you have just the brainwashed masses of people who will complain about gas prices, complain about everything else. but the prevalent thought, at least among evangelical Christians right now, is that we must bless Israel if we don't think God is going to curse us.

There's no reason. There's no, there's nothing there. They're crazy, but that's the thought. And that's why, I mean, we saw yesterday, James Fishback lost. He's a Catholic. He hit every Waffle House in the state like six times. He had the youth vote. The problem is you know.

And the special ladies. The problem is the youth vote doesn't ever show up. So, I mean, no, the, the demographics getting screwed the most is the least engaged. So think about that. So look at yourself in the mirror because you own that. And then you've got every evangelical church in the state working with Kofi, work with APEC, coming out, turning out these people. Then you have Randy Fine, who's one of the most disgusting people in the state. Jewish

wears his dumb little hat there to to the Capitol Hill ran against Dan Bizarrian Yeah I didn't know

Dan Bizarrian was running Yeah yeah he lost So it just It just goes to show the power that the Jewish lobby has because it's married

to the evangelical right That's that's it That's the advantage that the Democrats have The problem is that is that democratic leadership is so corrupt. The difference is that the Jewish lobby has a chokehold on your movement. Agreed.

But they don't have a death grip to what they do on the right. So that you are able to get Mavericks. The question is, though, are they going to sell out? That's the question. See, I think- Seems well on her way. You're never going to get a chance to be a maverick on the right. I would never be able to get elected.

it. See, I think it would never happen for a generation. And I think that's going to be on the left and the right. Because those kids will grow up and those kids will vote, whether they're in a Republican Party or Democratic Party. Will they vote? It's not going to be favored. They're not voting now. Well, they're kids. I mean, I got to be honest. You think it's more complicated than it. I mean, I didn't get young people. It's always been hard to get young people to vote. But it seems like they're more. Look, here's the thing. the DSA brings to the table that nobody talks about. Discipline and a cohesive ideology. They're an organization, right? Like under Bernie and AOC and the squad,

progressivism in the Democratic Party was a tendency. This DSA is a group. They have meetings. They have chapters. They have cadres. So, like, there are formal members that are either members of a chapter or members of the National Committee or both. that's a whole different thing.

An organization can get people to the polls in a way that a tendency is sort of like, yeah, they'll show up for your rally, as Bernie knows, but will they show up for your, you know, maybe not when it matters at the polls? No, you're right. I agree with you. They're organized. I mean, it's not a brad bag of whatever. It's cohesive ideology in the way that they're trying to operate, which. That's different. That's a game changer.

Robbie, a couple of questions for you. Joshua, will you be on the, Robbie, will you be in on the 1999 Hangout Talk, too? You're certainly invited. If you want me to be, sure. I do. Horses are people to $5. Mad respect to Robbie for not bending the knee and serving the Antichrist. That's a repeat.

That's a repeat. Yep. And someone that asked, does Robbie have any proof for his wild claims? Well, I've got the email. And more to the point, Ted has saw me tell people off before. So this is not out of the area. Why birth will Robbie come on to this showing lap? That's so random, right?

And about that, of all things. Well, the thing is, with my business, I do a lot of little side gigs, like a $100 job here, a $50 job here, $150 job here. That's how I pay my bills. I mean, this show does not make enough to pay me a salary. So that's why I ask people to watch everyone on YouTube. up. Yeah, that's why I ask people watch on Rumble on YouTube.

Because starting the next month, I'm not going to take a salary from the show at all. It just doesn't make any sense of what Rumble's done. So this has not benefited me in any way, shape, or form. If anything, it hurts me. Guys, we have four minutes left. We got to talk about the fake polls. Yes. They're all fake.

They're all fake. It's, go ahead. Go ahead. Go with that. I just think they should be prosecuted. Like, the excuse, app. of we just were running an experiment. I don't know that. B, what I do know is you flooded fake polls into the market

that it could have had outsized effects on the election itself. I would even make the argument that it was election interference. People couldn't look at that. It's very possible that people looked at this El Sai Poe, for example. And so he's 14 points up, I don't need to go to the polls. Right. Okay. It could have had a depressing effect on the vote.

You shouldn't be able to screw with elections in this way. And the excuse that would have to fact, well, we're just running experiment. Sure. Sure. Right. Or steal something. You walk out to catch you and you're like, I'll just check in whether your security work. Yeah, let's compare, right? Like so, you know, Russian so-called interference in the 2016 election boiled down to about

$200,000 in Facebook ads by a private, non-government-affiliated troll farm in Russia called the IRA, the Internet Research Agency, right? And basically, all they did was run some ads, you know, in a $7 billion account. campaign. They ran $200,000 of ads, half of which, by the way, were pro-Hillary and related to like cats and stuff and had nothing to do. And had to place after the election, if I'm not mistaken. There were a lot of those. So the point is it was completely inconsequential. But even so, right? Basically, the fact that there were a couple of random ads on Facebook that nobody saw here and there, that became the subject of a massive controversy that still goes

on and still has, you know, people up Russia's ass over it. And it's a massive international thing. Here you have an American company that definitely interfered with our elections. No question about it and just did it and got caught. And they were doing it for research purposes. I mean, obviously, increasingly, you just can't believe anything that you see and everything that you see has to be verified and it means you can't necessarily just go to the real clear politics average. You have to, well, what's in the average? You have to look at the individual polls and, you know, Rasmussen is trustworthy. They've had good results.

You know, you know, Epsos is trustworthy. It's legit. You know, maybe some of these, if you see one that, you know, the boogersnots not poll, you should like ignore it, you know. True, but I don't know. there's something dodgy about that. Oh, it's sketchy. I give you, for example, a story came out, they haven't, I haven't seen it in the U.S.,

but it's a true story. You may know it since you're French. The French government commissioned an organization or created an organization to study election interference. And what they found was not Russian election interference. They found Israeli election interference with a company in Tel Aviv that was effectively putting out fake stories, fake media, puppet accounts throughout social media when they wanted to push an election in a particular

country. And by the way, they did this in France. They did this in certain parts of Africa. They did this in other parts of Europe. And this was what they did. When the French started looking into it and started asking questions about it, the police went up and smoked, dissolved. I wouldn't be shot if a place like this was pushing fake polling in order to either Jenna support to make it look like, hey, this person is more support than what they do. or to make it a look as if they have less support than they do. Yeah, no, I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, and there's push polls, too.

That's a whole different thing. We can resume that we can pick up on this in a couple hours when we do the Q&A show. That's still open to the public. So everyone come and see us in two hours, live on Rumble and YouTube at 12 noon Eastern Time. Thanks for tuning in. TMI show coming up right now. Ciao, everybody. See in a couple.

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