DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - Who Killed Jesus, Really?

Episode Date: August 19, 2026

"DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas" hosts, with producer Robby West, delve into another wild and wooly Q&A show in which they answer anything and everything! This time, Ted and Jamarl discuss the reliability and lack thereof of political polls, share their favorite music genres and artists, plus guilty-pleasure movies, recount their personal arrest stories and youthful misadventures, explore credible conspiracy theories including Roswell, 9/11 anomalies and JFK, address Adolf Hitler’s fate, the political framing of Kanye West’s Russia trip, and end with a theological debate on who killed Jesus according to the Bible.LIVE ON RUMBLE: https://rumble.com/c/DeProgramShow https://x.com/tedrall https://x.com/JamarlThomas #tedrall #jamarlthomas #news #politics

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All right. We are, it is currently Wednesday, August 19, 2026. This is the Wednesday Q&A episode of D program. Good to see you again, Jamarle. Absolutely. So, all right, has anything exciting happened in the last couple of hours, or should we just, or do we have questions to answer right away, Robbie? Okay, I'll explain what we're doing here for people who might have forgotten. We do a special Q&A show Monday and Wednesday and Friday now. Friday is new at 12 noon. The regular show is 9 to 10 a.m. Eastern time Monday through Friday, weekdays only. This show is even more free-ranging and more free form. This is for you guys, the listeners and the viewers on YouTube, Rumble, and wherever else. We're on X. We're on Twitch. We're on Facebook. To pipe in. And

And let us know what you want us to talk about. And we will be happy to do that. I think we might, by the way, have an IOU from this morning show. So we could probably just do that. Let's see what we got here. Okay, here we go. Phileas Fobb from this morning, a dollar, thank you very much. A scientific truism.

Surveys aren't measurements. Not in politics, not in polysai. not in psychology, etc. People can and often do tell you what they want you to hear. That's true. Ish. Ish. Yeah, that's an it's. I mean, like, it's partially true depending upon, okay, okay, okay.

Human beings are complicated. Right? So let's start there. Breaking news. A water sample and I'm trying to figure out, okay, what is in the water? Okay, I can test the sample of the water to figure out to get the distribution of elements and those type of things in water to get a sense of, okay, what is this water like? If the water just so happens to be in a kind of weird spot that it is pooled as opposed to flowing, okay, well, the measurement may be different than in the different part, right? Human beings are more complicated, though, because human beings aren't just bowling balls.

We have ideas of what other people think. And so if we think that people hate Trump and a lot of people hate Trump, because he's a bigot and he's a race, he's that, whatever they want to add to it, right? And you go and say, hey, I just want to know who you're voting for. Okay, I may not say Trump. Right? Like, so, yeah, in that case, I agree. It does make a difference in the measurement, what people think.

But if you're doing a fair poll, just an honest, you know, I think, and there's nothing weird anomalous in the mental sphere, I think you can get a decent measurement. I mean, we've had elections where the polling nailed it. In fact, Nick Silver got his jollies, you know, his bonus. through Fides from being able to nail the election. It's possible. I accept it, but it is, you know, it is a thing. Yeah, I mean, pulling, look, I mean, when people say polls don't count or whatever, look, if polls didn't count, it wouldn't be a multi-billion dollar business that every campaign

invests in and responds to, right? I mean, polls really do, the vast majority of the time work, even when they don't work. like, for example, in the Haley Stevens defeat to Abdul El-Said in Michigan, we looked at that and we're like, well, what happened? I mean, you know, he was supposed to wipe the floor with her. He was 20 points ahead, and he only leaked out a victory by a point in a half. But then you dig deeper, and you're like, well, the poll did say that she had like, that there was like 35 or 38 percent of the electorate was undecided.

So, I mean, that's not like two or three percent. So look, if there had only been two or three percent, undecided and you'd had that kind of, then you could really say credibly that the poll was way off. You can't say that at all in a situation like that. Our poll's always right, no, but the vast majority of the time they are. And, you know, these are smart people who go to school for it. I mean, I almost ended up going this career path. I was accepted to Northwestern into a special program that they had at the time called

statistical methods in the social sciences, which is a family. fancy name saying how numbers apply to politics. And it was, they only accepted like 20 kids a year. And they all end up working at Gallup and Harris and these other polling organizations, right? And basically, it is science. I mean, they learn how to ask questions in a way that are more likely to elicit an honest response. They ask questions in different ways. There's roundabout ways to ask questions. You know, you certainly can ask questions in a way to get the responses that you want in a political partisan poll. But you can also pose questions in a way that's likely to get an honest response. And you have to read carefully.

Like, for example, there's a Gallup poll that constantly asks Americans their questions, how they feel about socialism, communism, capitalism, and so on. And, you know, I mean, I remember making the mistake of thinking that it said, oh, 40% of a percent of a Americans consistently approve of socialism or prefer it to capitalism. And that's not quite true. 40% of people say they have a favorable view of socialism. But that doesn't mean it's more favorable than their view of capitalism. It doesn't mean that they would prefer socialism to capitalism. But it does mean that they're open-minded to it. And that's still a meaningful piece of data that's worth discussing and thinking about it.

No, I agree with you. I mean, I don't know. From my point of view, I've been around in the political space long enough to know that polls at times are very accurate. Do you have people who are malicious when they're doing polls in order to push it in a particular direction? Yes, obviously. But if a campaign is doing an eternal poll, and as you point out, they're spending billion dollars on it, they're not spending all of that money for nothing or millions. They're not spending it for nothing. They're spending it because they're trying to get a sense of, okay, what is this particular population? What is this demographic? What did it thinking about X or Y, what did you think about me, what they think about the opponent and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It can be accurate if you're honest about it. We've got good questions lined up. Do you want them? Yeah, sure. All right, first one.

This one is from Tennessee Deadhead. What is both of your favorite music genre and do you have a favorite artist? Yes. My favorite artists at the time fluctuated. depending upon what's it just fluctuates I don't know what it's attached to it believe it or not I am a big fan of rock specifically like email screaming at least I used to be that used to be one of my favorite genres like Thursday taking back Sunday

those type of bands it evolved well evolve is not the right word for it it just kind of it fluctuates right now I am I am I I am Aurora as an artist. She's killing me. She's so good. She's so talented. Florence and Machine recently has also popped back up in my mindshot or just in a thing. It just kind of depends.

It runs the gambit. Everything from rock, R&B. I mean, it's just, it literally does run the gambit. I was listening to Queen, Bohemian Rhapsody, like just before. We came on air. It's so wow that that's a believe that's a song. And yet the song is...

And they almost didn't release it, by the way, right? It's so fucking weird. Yeah. What a weird song. Oh, it's so weird. Yeah. But it's so good. He says, mama, I just killed a man.

And then you think, it's like, when you're thinking about that context, where somebody calls up their mom and says, Mama, I just killed a man. And it's like, a shot him in his head, pull the tree. triggered now he's dead. Mama, you know, life has just begun, and now I've gone and thrown it all away. That's so epic, even though he's talking about murder. Sure. Because he's talking about murder. Yeah, he's confessing to his mama. And then it's like, is this the real life? It's just such a weird song. But it's so good. Led Zeppelin,

another one in Chicago. I mean, Shadeh, I mean, it runs the game that cannabis. Cannabis is one my favorite rap stars can i busts i'm sorry um he has a song that lasts for an hour where he's spitting rhymes for an hour it's the same song because he always makes us think of i could spit a hundred bars and basically like i can rap forever he says shit like that right and in the song he is effectively rapping forever and it is the same song and it's cut in different ways so it's almost like it's broken down in different ways and he's just sending random shit like one is he's like he's like he's like He's talking about one of his teachers. He says, Mrs. So-and-so, she got a fat ass.

He says, I don't know why I'm telling this to you. Like, he's, like, it's so good. Yeah, my taste runs the gamut. I don't have a, I can't, it's hard for me to pick a favorite because it's a favorite would just depend on the day. I'm a rock. I'm a rock dude too, but, you know, I came of age in the late 70s and throughout the 80s.

So punk is like where my, you know, punk new ways. and things that derive from that, but I also have a really guilty pleasure, which is I love synth music. I love a French cold wave. I like early Human League. I've been listening to this guy who used to be the frontman for UltraVox named John Fox.

He's fantastic. Before we went on the air, I was listening to Lush from the 90s. Yesterday, I was listening to Visage, speaking of early 80s stuff UltraVox So yeah And then also I've been really getting into this band

Low which I kind of missed the first time around It's very like dirgy It's a husband and wife And it's like almost like kind of like The violent The darkest side of the violent femmes If you remember them Like

Like da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da Let me go on Like a good mister is the sun. Let me go. Anyway, it's alt rock from the early, from the 80s. So, yeah, basically punk new wave and stuff that either precedes it or is related to it would be like. But, you know, that's too limited. I like the blues.

You know, I like. Hillmaker. I think it's called Hailmaker. They have this. Well, Kings of Conviggins is another one, a Norwegian man that is so good. They're so good. They're fantastic. good. The Hellmaker, I think it's called Hellmaker. Hellmaker, is that right?

They have this, I think that's what they're called. It's this, in fact, you know, it's funny. When I, I stopped, my ex and I haven't talked for a very long time. In fact, when I first got back into the country, we had, it remained, weirdly enough, remained friends where we were still talked back and forth every so often. They didn't even know if this relationship was over, which was weird. When I got back into the country, we broke communication, not by me at that point. And it hurt. That shit hurt. And it was one of like, and I remember I even wrote, like I made a, um, mixtape like called Losing Elizabeth.

And it was like Hellmaker. Oh God, the songs and it's these, the songs are so good, but they are very, I don't know how to explain. it like hits a it hits a nerve like there was in one of the songs the guy points out he's like would you stop me as i'm packing to go like meaning will you interfere with me will you hold me up would you do whatever you need to do in order to keep it from going and i remember being in a relationship uh one of my first where she was in a york i was leaving and she was doing everything in her power to stop me from leaving like that shit like it's it's rough yeah yeah it's rough it's too many um it's too much like there too many bands it's too limited yeah

I mean, yeah, I have so many. I mean, this could be easily a couple hours just to talk about music for me. Okay. By the way, do you have a guilty pleasure movie? Oh, God. Probably a bunch of them. Pick one that's a real guilty pleasure of yours. People would be like, really?

Okay, probably anything. If it was Bill Feral. You need a little bit of time. Anything with Will Ferrell in it is a guilty pleasure. What is it? Anything with who? Anything with Will Ferrell in it? Like, I love...

Will Ferrell is just good. I love Dodge Ball. I mean, not Dodge Ball. I do love Dodge Ball. But Wedding Crashers, he has a small role in that. That's funny. I'm trying to think what else. But I do love silly bro comedies.

Like Road... Like Anchorman. Oh, my guiltiest pleasure. Freddy got fingered with Tom Green. Tom Green. Tom Green. I remember that. I love Tom.

I think he's fantastic. What is? Is he still doing stuff? He is on, he and I are Facebook friends. I don't know if he knows I'm even alive, but, you know, Tom, but, but he, somehow we got to be Facebook friends. He is, he lives in Canada, in, on a farm somewhere. Canada?

Yeah. He's like Canadian. I always say that as a joke. I guess it's not a good one. Oh, okay, fair enough, fair enough. But anyway, yeah, he's a Canadian dude. And basically he does tour sometimes. I think he was touring pretty recently.

And he still has a fan base. But he's very, he's active on social media. So. The song is named, oh boy. Oh, boy. I think we're going to blah, blah, blah, blah. Scott Pilgrim saved this. I think it's called Scott.

Oh, great movie. Fights the world or saves the world or something like that. It's so good. It's good. That's not a guilty pleasure. That's just a good movie. It feels like something people threw together, but the shit is so good.

True, true. It's so good. Or Tropic Thunder. See, I wouldn't say Tropic Thunder is a guilty pleasure. I'd say that's a good movie. That's just objectively a good movie. Hell, I even like the soundtrack to Skype Hillbrough. I have to save the soundtrack.

Oh, I don't even know. Yeah, I guess it's like they're doing the bass thing and they're doing the bass off. Oh, dude is like levitating because he's a vegan. That's what he's better. Oh, my other guilty pleasure is early. 70s like, you know, Death Wish, those

movies, like the Charles Johnson Revenge of Fantasy's. Those are definitely a guilty pleasure. Yeah. Yeah. But we got other questions to answer here. All right, here we go. Thanks so much for the $5.00.

Dead Mean Club. Have you all ever been arrested and what for? No. Have I been arrested? No. Arrested. Well, I have. I don't want anything to do with cops. Nothing.

Oh, me neither. It wasn't on purpose. I don't think I even want him to say hi. So, yeah. You say it wasn't on purpose. That's why you did say you got arrested. I remember that. Oh, I've been arrested a few times. Yeah. And that's just in the United States. Okay, so I've been arrested. Wait, you got to listen in France? Nah, never in France. I've been arrested in Jordan, Turkmenistan,

the occupied West Bank, where else oh Kazakhstan Tajikistan yeah but those were all shaped out well except for Jordan those are and the well

and I guess I guess except for the occupied territories the those were like the ones in Central Asia they were basically just shaking me down for money like they were threw me in the clink and they're like they didn't want to like beat me up and steal my money they just wanted to like inconvenience me

and get paid for letting me go. Here in the U.S., most notably, yeah, yeah, well, okay, so one time I was driving in Long Island, and I got pulled over by the cop. The cop says, if I run, for speeding, the cop goes, if I run your, I don't know why they ask this. If I run your license, am I going to find anything? I said, no, I don't know why they ask that,

because they're going to run it anyway, and they're going to do what they're going to do anyway. It's just a weird game. They're listening, is he going to be honest with me? You'd be surprised for more people who said no. As I said, I don't think so. And I didn't think so. Anyway, it turned out I was wrong.

So in a year or two earlier, I had had another speeding ticket and another part of Long Island, and I had paid it. In fact, I had the canceled check and everything. But I paid it on time. But they never recorded it as having been paid. So there was an outstanding warrant. And by the way, they don't tell you. They don't send you a letter and say, by the way, you owe this money.

It just sits there. And then when you get pulled over by a cop, they nail you. So I got taken into the Montauk police station for a couple of hours and basically let go. And then ultimately, long story short, it was a huge fiasco to deal with. But the question was about arrest, not about what followed. And then when I was in college, I went on a road trip with my roommate, who I'll call Chris, because his name was Chris. And he was, it was three in the morning, and we were looking for a motel. And we pulled out of a parking lot, and I forgot to turn the lights back on to the car.

And he was smoking prodigious amounts of weed in the car. Lemonster, Massachusetts police officer pulls us over. And, you know, I'm like, open up. all the windows to try to get the weed smell out. Forget it, right? And so anyway, the cop searches the car. Um, it finds, no, he didn't find, he, he, I guess he did find, oh, I know, he's got the bong, which is like a three foot tall bong. Um, you should bring them, on the road, bring a smaller bomb. You smoking a bong in the car? Yeah, I could say three footer. What the hell what the hell were y'all doing, man? It was the 80s, man. And, um, and, um, he was smoking. And,

And anyway, so he hauled our ass down to the local lockup. And we spent about four hours in jail. Oh, oh, oh, oh, that's not even the worst, the worst experience ever. This is how my cartooning career began, really. So I can't believe I forgot this, but kind of was so unpleasant. In the late 80s, I started my career. I tried to jumpstarted. I couldn't get my cartoons published anywhere.

So I was putting them up on lampposts and subway entrances and construction sites all over Manhattan to try to get some publicity like, you know, street artist. And anyway, the Koch administration under Ed Koch created the poster squad of the NYPD to go after people who had like moving posters and stuff like that, like on lampposts and bands and people like that. And so these were real NYPD officers. Long story short, I'm putting out my cartoons. I get arrested. They sent me down to, it was Friday, of course, on a holiday weekend, of course. So you're not out the next day, right? So I was in there from Friday, night, Saturday, night, Sunday night.

They let me out like Monday at 1 o'clock in the morning during night court. And so I was in the tombs, which is in Chinatown. It's the very, very old jail. And, yeah, that sucked. It sucked hard. nothing but they only fed us one baloney sandwich a day and a limited amount of water it wasn't dangerous i don't eat baloney would they have given me something else i don't eat baloney would they have given me something else no no no vegetarian options or no non baloney options it's baloney or

nothing there was there were dudes in there who they didn't have their medications like for their asthma inhalers they were like fuck you we're keeping that shit they didn't care you people die like that all the time i mean they just don't don't care. They're total assholes. I think people realize that. They really don't. I don't think you can really grasp how they don't give a shit when you're in jail. They throw you away.

They're happy for you die. The medical stuff, yeah, they don't care. Yeah, if you have, if you're on SSRIs, you're not getting those. Like, nothing. Yeah. If you're on the pill and you're a lady, they're not giving you, you're going to miss your bill, you know.

So, yeah, it sucks. And when I was in, um, so So anyway, when I came up for night court, they were like, oh, well, you know, $100 if you plead guilty and will release you on your own recognizance. I'm like, I'm not guilty. I want a trial. That's like, this is a First Amendment case. I'm putting up political cartoons.

And I saw this reporter sort of perk up in the audience. And he was like a reporter for the New York Post. So when I got out, he grabs me and he's like, long story, sure, I ended up with a two-page spread in the New York Post. Show me the cartoon. That's right. Show me the cartoon. And so they ran a big piece about how the Koch administration, don't forget, it was a Murdoch paper going after a Democratic mayor. In it, I was a free speech hero, and people read about it and wrote to me and wanted to run my cartoons.

And that was the beginning of my career. That is amazing. I haven't never been arrested. I nearly was. I got very good. That's shocking that you've never been arrested. You should just be arrested on general principle. Well, there's plenty of people who would like to have me arrested.

But, I mean, so this is back in the 90s. I was bored. And so decided I was going to, they're on U.S. Highway 93s. There's always people speeding. The speed limit is 45. People always go like 90. So, okay. This could be fun.

So being bored, what I did is I mixed a bunch of motor oil and gas and spread it over the asphalt. And I did this multiple times over a week. that way it just soaks into the asphalt you know so just gets nice and saturated and so i just waited it was on a friday night and i just waited for a car to come flying by like that they're typically would do i lit a fly a lighter knot threw it in while a fire erupted on highway 93 so i blew up a road and it was a highway patrolman and so this dude was doing dought slinging fire slinging asphalt I end up hiding up in a tree all not long

with cops just looking all the way around and rightly so frankly you should have been arrested you should be arrested you should be in jail you should be in jail doing that shit correct you could have literally

murdered somebody although I've done shit like that could have killed someone yes and so but now that fire trucks out there trying to put it out but of course it was burning so hot the asphalt, but starting to melt and the oil.

You should start spreading. Just young and stupid. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Then the next day. I was on a person. Weren't you worried?

Like what if a motorcyclist came by or something? Yeah. It didn't occur to you that you could kill somebody? No, one bit. And so young and stupid. Young and stupid is a big thing. That's what every 95% of the people you go, if you interview people who are in prison, 95% of them, young and stupid is the reason they're there.

Yeah. I mean, if it just matter just, what will happen? Too much testosterone. This seems like a good idea. Warfighters. Yeah, I had a, well, I had a guy, this is not my story, but it seems worth recounting in vis-à-vis Robbie's story. So I wrote a book, a graphic novel called The Worst Thing I've Ever done.

Real Americans admit the worst thing I've ever done. and I interviewed 500 plus people and asked them, what's the worst thing you've ever done? And I chose some of them and I put them into the book, right? The true account of like the worst thing you've ever done. It's like from the 90s. So I went on book. The book was pretty successful.

It won some awards and stuff. It sold pretty well. I went, so I went on book tour. And when I was on book tour, I was on the radio. I think it was some local NPR station. And people called in to tell their own worst. things they'd ever done. And there were a lot of them. But the one, one really stuck out. And it was like this. This dude said that he lived in Oklahoma. His father drove a freight train for a living.

And they knew what time his trains were coming through. And there was a pedestrian overpass. And they would like he and his friends would wave at his dad. But they, he got to be like a 12 or 13 year old and decided like he wanted to step it up on April Fool's Day. So they went up to the overpass. and they made a dummy and they threw the dummy in front of the train, like as a, you know, to make it look like a person who committed suicide.

The fire flams on the brakes and derails the train. It is like a mile long. It derailed. By the way, I didn't believe the story. Did they go to jail for that? I mean, that's... No, but anybody did you hear what happened.

The train derailed. It was a chemical train. Okay? So a mile-long chemical train with tons of, like, dangerous chemicals blew up, destroyed the town, this little Oklahoma town. Like it became uninhabitable for years. Buildings burned down. I mean, they're really lucky, like nobody died, including his father. And nothing happened.

What? It's just sort of like... You know that happened recently. I mean, they didn't... What he did was the guy... the kid did something to the term style. And it was a crash, and I think it killed people on the train. That boy went to jail for a very long time, because from their point of view, this is just murder.

And if I'm not mistaken, I think he even tried to hide the crime or hide the fact that he did it. And the cops eventually figured out, oh, he was screwing with the train before the train got to this particular point that caused the crash. He thought this was going to be funny. Everybody, you know, God, I can't believe that. I mean, either way, I can't believe that nothing happened to the people who did it. I know, I know. He destroyed the town. I can't believe that they didn't make it their business to find out.

But I think the father knew and never said shit. I know, but they saw a body. Right? Well, obviously the NTSB interviewed the conductor, right? And said, like, the engineer, right? And said, like, what happened? It's like, well, I saw something jump off the. and I slammed the brakes.

Oh, he didn't know what it was. He thought it was a body. They didn't see the dog. I guess the thing that's giving me. I don't know what was left after the whole fucking town blew up. Yeah, but usually they do an investigation and they would look at the crash of the train. And they would say, okay, well, they still should be the body. Well, it was so weird.

It was clothed with stuffing in it. So who knows what survived, right? Imagine going home to you and think to yourself, oh, fuck, oh fuck. talking about paranoid. Oh my God. I mean, I guess that's boring. I mean, the worst thing I did was get married.

Like, and I mean that from standpoint of like, I don't like, I don't like cost to other people, if that makes sense. Like, I don't want to be in a relationship and you, it fails, and it fails miserably, and there is, um, I don't want to see use the trauma, but there is a cost to the other person at that point, meaning that other person leaves with a damage in some way. I don't want that shit. I feel like, that's fucking horrendous.

Even if you could say, okay, well, she fucked up too. It doesn't really matter. I don't really control her fuckups. I control my own. And I don't want to impart costs. I mean, there was another thing. But again, this is small compared to getting arrested and stuff. When I was in high school and a bunch of guys had been talking about this girl that used to call a little one.

And they were trashing her, right? It was like, oh, she's ugly, she's butt ugly, she's horrible. They were making jokes, all this stuff. And I just so happened was telling other girls at a locker what was being said. I don't know who little one is, by the way. I'm just relaying the story. I see somebody look at me with a look of, I can't even explain it. It's like disgust.

Assuming that it's originating from you. It was her. I never forgot that shit. I never forgot that shit. I remember that to this day. And it wasn't even originating from me. That's the same part, right? It's like a movie. It's like a movie.

Yeah, it's, I just remember her look. And it was like, okay. Did you apologize? No. No. You don't understand. It's not what it looks like. No, because I didn't even know who she was. It was only later that I found out who she was.

And it was because I think in a random occurrence, I ended up meeting her boyfriend at a basketball court. The guy was like three feet tall. And somehow the connection was made. Like somehow, I figured out that was her. And yeah, that shit hurt. That sucks.

That sucks so much. I would hate that. I also stumped on a butterfly when I was a kid, which I still remember to this day. I did, I did. Yeah, I've killed some animals with my car accidentally. I ran over a hair. I killed a goose. Sorry, a swan.

A swan. Well, I kind of killed two swans. To be fair, swans are assholes, so don't worry about that. The swans were fucking. They were fucking mid-air. I'm driving along about 30, not speeding for whatever it's worth. And they tumbled in front of the car. Like, in mid-air, they were boning in mid-air.

The swan? I didn't even know they would do that. And they'd be like in a ball of wings and, you know, feathers. And right in front of the car, there was never a chance that anyone could have stopped. One was dead immediately. The other one wasn't. I fortunately had a board in my back of my car and I killed the other one to put it out of its misery. Jesus. If it makes you feel any better when I was in Iceland, my wife and I, well, my wife at the time, we were walking through Iceland. It was like this promenade type thing, gorgeous location. And everybody had basically stood by to watch the Ducks.

and the swans and all of the stuff in the Little By Lake. And so you had a duck that had ducklings. I think it was like six or seven ducklings that were trialling behind it kind of like in a cartoon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. As they do. As they do. A swan out of nowhere

steals one of the ducklings and eats it. What? Has it in its mouth and tries to go in order to finish eating it. The population that was around lost their shit, meaning human beings. Lost their shit. and went to attack the swan.

Nature's mean as shit, man. It was so random. Like, imagine just on a random day. It's beautiful outside. It's like 80 degrees or 75 degrees. It's like perfect temperature. Everybody's hanging out. People are picnicking and all of a sudden.

Runs away. That's how nature is. There you are. You're a fish in the ocean and suddenly some bellican comes along and whoosh, death from above, right? Okay. Mama couldn't do anything. The public tried to do something.

They couldn't do anything because obviously that's dinner, man. That's mine. As I pointed out to my wife, we just left a hamburger joint. How are you bitching about what that swan did? Yeah. That swan's just living his best life. That's right.

You watch Candace versus Andrew Pickles Wilson debate. People are polling on the right for Candace for president. Oh, wait. I haven't seen that debate. Candice, Candice is funny to me. Yes, he's funny to me too.

I would look at the debate just because I like the way she goes after people. When she, she decapitated Nick Cruz. Was it not Nick Cruz? She decapitated, what's the other Cruz, the Cruz guy? Ted.

What is his name? Ted Cruz. Is that Nick Cruz? Nick Cruz is the lefty. He's not Ted Cruz, the Senator. No, it's, what is the guy who is, and so. Oh, Fuentes.

Nick Fuentes, thank you. What does that, Nick Cruz? Nick Fuentes. She ate him alive based on his own. Oh, I'm not surprised. Yeah. And it was always best when you know someone's shit. Like when I had David Duke on my old radio show.

And I was, and so I came at him like from an angle he never saw coming, which is like, you're a plagiarist. And he's like, what do you mean? I go, your book. I read your book. He said, you read my book. I'm like, yeah. And it's like literally like your chapter 28 is mine comps chapter 33 and blah, blah, blah.

And he's like, you've read mind comp and he goes, liberals don't read mind comp. I'm like, I'm a leftist. I read mine conf. It's like I studied I studied World War II in college. You know, like, yeah, I read mine comp. So he didn't see it coming, you know. That's always the best way. You know, you go after people at their own level instead of trying to fight your own like, oh, like, you know, being.

Reese is just bad, blah, blah, blah. It's like, they have arguments for all that shit. Like, but three years. You know, yeah. In her case, she, it was the way she did it. That was, it was like the fact that she was a woman was triggering him. Oh, I'm sure that's true. And she's actually a very attractive woman, too.

Yeah, and she would just sit back. And there's a scene in it where she just sits back. And he goes into the spiral. That is like, he probably for his own good, who obviously he was, He was paid by a woman or something as a little boy or something happened to him. He probably should just, like, not debate ladies because he's going to lose. He shouldn't have had that debate. He shouldn't have had that debate.

He looked bad and that debate. It was just what he was exposing. It was like insecurities were coming up. He says, and then at one point he was like to be told by a woman, so-and-so. It's like, what? So if you're having a conversation with a man, it would be okay? Yes, absurd. F-you-so, thanks for the dollar.

favorite fruit and favorite vegetable. Well, I'm black, so obviously it's watermelon, right? Naturally. No, favorite fruit. No bullshit. I think it is pineapple. Holy shit, the white people were right. They were right.

They were right. Either orange apple, Randy Smith apple is probably more right than anything else. I'd have to go honey crisp apple, maybe. I mean, you can't go wrong. Cannot go wrong. Favorite vegetable. Oh, favorite vegetables. Well, I guess a tomato is a fruit, right?

I love tomatoes. Fruit. Yeah. I love potato for tries. Potato is a good choice. I do love cucumbers. I really have a thing for cucumbers. Do you?

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why. All right. Here we go. So, and asparagus. Asparagus. I don't think I've ever even tasted asparagus.

Oh, I love asparagus. Fried and butter. Well, saute it. See, I'm so choicy. I'm extremely choicy. Like when I say I didn't eat, I didn't eat pizza until I became an adult. Yeah, that's bizarre.

You come here in Montana. I will feed you. I will feed you buffalo and elk and all the things. But you can go feed it. You know, no bullshit. Buff meat, I think is what they call it. Buff meat. Buff meat, buff sausage.

So when you're in, like Nepal, certain foods are hard to get. Cows are going to be a no-no. You can get this stuff from the international market and so forth, but it's harder to get. And you got to cook it on the down low, right? They have buffalo meat. Like, they call it like buff meat.

I didn't even know what it was. And it's not yaks there. Yaks are basically just buffalo, but yeah. Yeah, it's wild. Because I was like, what the hell is buff meat? It had just worked. yak meat was mad i've had that i did you like i had yak meat i never had yakme

yeah it's all right yeah Blake five dollars closer to teddy whipping out the girls let's go but you have to pay bad into religion while you do it we're getting close yeah you're moving you're moving on up to a deluxe department in the sky okay um let's see uh thanks very much for the five dollars from dead beam

what conspiracies do y'all believe you have credibility. Ooh, you've come to the right place. You have. You've come to the right place. Yeah. Roswell is, I think it's obviously true. Oh, okay.

And I think there's a shitload of information to back that one up. And don't believe me, Stanton Friedman wrote the book on it. It's a standard friend scientist. There seems to be the, oh, what is his name? the colonel documents, the Wilson memos. I don't know if you've heard about those. So Wilson is a military guy. And, okay, let's go back for a minute.

When in New York Times wrote the article on UFOs, that the Pentagon had a UFO program that was basically secret, and then they outed the program. There were a few things in that article that were pretty explosive. One of them, if I remember correctly, was the Wilson memo.

And this was unclear. In fact, they were fighting over it in a UFO community about whether it was real or not. Because part of the documents is he's disclosing like crash retrievals and shit like that. That document is true. Wilson did write that document. It took Wilson years to come out to acknowledge that that document was real and that he got that document from basically talking to people on the inside from the programs. What else? What else? What else? The CIA psychic program was true. help me. Is that even a conspiracy at this point? Well, people, well, let me say it's real. And I mean, real from the standpoint of they were getting actual intelligence, meaning it was a real program.

They were doing the shit for 20 years. And it moved from, I think, the DIA eventually to the CIA. It was outed. And when it was outed, the CIA basically killed the program. Like, meaning they were using the shit for 20-something years. And then when the press came out, they was like, holy shit, you guys got psychics? No, no, no, no, no, no, everybody's good. Everybody's good. We're good, we're good, we're going to get rid of it. I'm trying to think, what else, what else, what else? The moon landing was fake.

I think that's nonsense. Earth is flat, that's nonsense. Just based on physics alone. I mean, things equal distance. I don't know. I'm trying to think of something else. What do you got in mind? Well, for me, 9-11 would be the closest.

I, for the record, do not believe in the traditional conspiracy theories at all. I don't, I mean, I know that the buildings, I don't believe that Seven World Trade Center was demolished. I don't think that there was a controlled demolition. I think that there were, the planes hit, that the planes hit where they hit. I'll tell you, though, I don't believe that the passenger uprising on United 93, if it occurred, and I don't, I'm not sure it did occur, but if it did occur, it did not bring down the plane. I think that plane was shot down. I think if you read the 9-11 commission report, they talk about the, you know, it's all done minute by minute. And it says like, okay, so Cheney gives the shoot-down order, and it says how long it would take to do it.

And if you simply do the arithmetic, well, there's more than enough time for the shoot-down to have occurred before the time that it crashed. So it's kind of like there's no explanation for what? They stopped for donuts on the way. They had something else to do. They got lost. They couldn't find the plane. What? They don't talk about.

How do they can get into the pallets? Pardon? I don't think they did. I think what the plane got shot down. That's what I mean. Like how did the meeting, even if there was an arrest. Well, they're claiming that the passenger rebellion, you know, Todd Beamer, you know, used the, and his fellow passengers used the drink card of death and broke down the door and gained access.

and then the pilots, the hijackers decided to tank the plane and commit suicide rather. I would like to see that in practice. Yeah, I don't believe that's. Yeah, that sounds wild to me, a cart, like a battering ram in order to break open the door. Even though the doors were not reinforced at the time, right? I could be wrong. This is before 2001. I could be wrong, but my understanding is that the cockpit doors didn't even lock back then.

Or am I wrong about that? I think they locked. But they might have been reinforced. They probably weren't reinforced. They weren't reinforced. So I think you could break in, but I mean, I just don't think it happened because of the fact that the issue. Here, the other thing is the engine was found 12 miles away from the crash site. What did it do?

Bounce? And then also all sorts of other debris from the plane was found between the engine and the crash site. The crash site was a nose dive, right? So, you know, logically what happened? I just don't, I mean, you know, am I 100% sure? No, but it's what I think. Well, they're obviously lying about 9-11. I mean, obviously lying about 9-11.

I mean, like, you know, details are unknown. Yeah, the details are off. Like, the CIA was running a black program at the time where they invited terrorists into the country, allowed terrorists into the country. They were following them all throughout certain locations, thinking that once they get into the U.S., they can flip terrorists.

in order to effectively try to get a man or information on al-Qaeda or something to that effect. The United States at that point allowed them into the country and did not tell the FBI. Like basically, the FBI guy who found the information, or let's say the CIA guy who found the information, he was like, well, we obviously have to tell the CIA. I mean, the FBI this. We've allowed terrorists into the country. And they were told, no, stand down. Do not tell them anything.

lost track of the terrorists inside the country itself. And then when... Who hasn't lost a terrorist? Yeah. It happens. Between the seat cushions. And then the moment that 9-11 happened, the CIA scrubbed everything that they had to do with it, blamed it on...

Saddam Hussein or whoever they were going to blame it on. And basically acted as if they had nothing to do with it. The 9-11 commission report excluded all of that. I mean, honestly, God, the Tucker Carlson breakdown of this is one of the best you would find. He has done God's work on that. And you watch that and you think to yourself, this is fucking outrageous. Like, this should have brought down a government.

And I mean, a political system, period. Like the stuff that the CIA was doing was outrageous. And they were running these black ops on USO without even informing the feds. It's, watch that documentation. I think it's four documentaries. And even the thing in advance where somebody made a bet, shorting the airplane markets just before 9-11 took place. And it's like, okay, who made those bets? And what they had?

Who made those bets? Like, they don't disclose who these people were. They made bets just before the airplanes crash, making a fortune in the process. Yeah, they got rich. I think that the two conspiracies that I think, I have most questions about, like, I firmly believe. that Israel took out JFK, I believe it, because they had the motive. JFK wanted to actually attack the Domona. He wanted to seize the fissile material that they stole from Philadelphia,

that they stole from Pennsylvania. He was not a friend that you guys are going to love that makes that same argument. He makes the same argument. He thinks the Jews killed JFK. When you get him on, I want to see it because I firmly believe it, because nothing else makes any sense. sense. By the way, he wrote a big point. And second, when it comes to 9-11, I am not convinced that a plane hit the Pentagon.

I don't know what happened. I don't know what it was. But I know there's no, the engines on planes are big. That would have survived that impact. There's no engines. And also, no, I have all that, you know, have all the security cameras and not one caught an image of a plane. Well, there's a, there's a security camera from across the street. Right. That did get the image of the plane coming. It got a shadow. You got a shadow of something.

But there was no plane and no motors were ever discovered. So what happened to them? I don't know what happened, but it wasn't a plane. See, this is a problem having a government that's not honest. Yeah, you don't trust it. You don't believe a fucking word they have to say. Yeah, one bit. They just don't trust the shit.

No, that's exactly true. I mean, by the way, when the investigation was taking place with J.R. Hinev, when they first did Blue Book. Blue Book was full bullshit. Like they intentionally went into Blue Book with the idea of not finding something. And so they were stuffing all of these unexplained things under what other categories. When he came out after the project, realizing that the U.S. government basically holds the project on purpose, he got an honest interest in UFOs. Yeah, the government does this shit all the time.

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Okay. This is a related question from 00-O Pollux-O. Pollyx-O. Do you believe Hitler died in the bunker or escaped to Argentina? I believe he died in a bunker. And the Soviets had the body parts. They had his jaw, the head of the KGB kept parts of his skull in formaldehyde on his desk for decades. Yeah, I thought Stalin secretly had them and never said anything about the fact that he had him.

Well, I think nobody knew for sure until after the Cold War was over. Right. Yeah. He kept his jaw on his desk. Jesus, that's hardcore. Yeah, definitely. Look, I don't blame them. I mean, for fuck sake, the West murdered X number of, you know, what,

30 million of Russian? Yeah, I mean, the numbers, yeah, basically it's a trophy. Like, I want to drink from your skull. Like, it was old. Yeah. Kilroy for Prez asked, so will all Q&As be behind a paywall?

Just the Friday one. Yeah, they all will be behind. I think they're all going to be behind a paywall. I thought it was just Friday's. Oh, is that true? I don't have, I don't, I have no feelings about it one way to the other, but I thought it was Friday. Only Friday will be behind a page. Oh, my apologies.

Okay, just the Friday one. Okay. Yeah, and then questions will only be accepted from subscribers. Yeah. Yeah, I heard it just, you all describe it a few different ways because we're trying to, and you're right, we have been and we need clarity on that. So, so, yeah, what's the policy officially? Well, I thought the official policy was basically on Fridays. People can ask Q&As that are members and anybody who wants to send a chat or rant,

they can ask their question. I mean, because for all intents' purposes, they're paying for it when they send the question if they're sending a question with a. Well, that's true. And then what about Monday and Wednesday? Can everybody ask a question or only paid? I will move that up to the gods of due program. What do you think?

That will be up to y'all. You are the hosts. All right. We'll just clear with those. No, listen. Listen, at the end of the day, you two are the talent. Yeah, but the whole were confused. I'm like a confused third wheel.

But, no, I mean, no, there will be a paywall. So the one that's on Friday, if you're on YouTube, you're on YouTube, like, you ought to be a YouTube subscriber to even see it, no, to get into it. And it'll be the same way, it'll be the same way on Rumble because I would just rebroadcast it and have to be a Rumble premium subscriber. to see it but then though wouldn't be live. That being said, as far as the Mondays and Wednesday shows go, I'm personally, I think it's a good question.

I'll feed it to y'all whether you all y'all answer it. That's up to y'all, whether it's paid or not. From my point of view, nothing really changes. If somebody is giving like a rent or super chat, well, we read it. It's a question. It's financing the show. Yeah, for sure. But you can always do the thing of people who are members.

Can ask questions without. Always. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Most of the time they're doing this to support the show either way. And I think the audience needs to realize the only reason we're making pitches like this is because effectively we want to be able to do a show.

And in order to be able to do the show, it requires revenue for that show to be done. That's all. I mean, that would be anything, right? If you went outside busking and singing songs, you would still need to be a keep of guitar and all this stuff. Yeah, for sure. It's not like doing it. That's my point. And Amanda Raki has a question for us.

Kanye West is going to Russia, and R.T. has gone clownish talking about him meeting Putin. How are the Russians going to explain this with their we don't like Nazi worshiping talking point? Oh, they'll be fine. They will split the baby big time. I mean, look, if you look at R.T., RTE,

I got to be honest, at times, bugs the shit out of me. Because what they do is that if you've noticed, when Donald Trump got elected, they tried to do this thing of like, Trump is somehow different. And so we're not really going to bash Trump entirely. We're going to bash the Europeans. So anything that happens in the war, even though it's obviously clear that Donald Trump is still prosecuting the war, the CIA, they still would act like Donald Trump is different. Even when Putin's like, yeah, I wish Donald Trump a happy birthday.

He is killing Russians. What are you doing? What are you doing? Right. Kanye will be fine. Kanye would get driven around. Kanye will take into the presidential palace. Kanye would take him to Putin.

It was great. RT will run big splashy stories. They might do interviews. Oh, they're going to love it. I mean, keep in mind. They did the same thing with Candace Owens. I guess I think the whole, you know, I mean, look, RT is like any other TV network in that,

look, they don't have to be ideologically consistent. They can be hypocrites. I mean, you know. Which is my point. That's what I'm like, Kanye will be fine. Yeah. he will have a hell of a time. By the way, I mean, look, I think he's, I don't honestly know that we really can know whether he's actually a Nazi or is he like, you know, when Sid Vicious, Sid Vicious wore a, you know, wore a swastika to, you know, take the piss.

I mean, I don't know what Kanye's on about. I don't know what's up with him. I don't get what's up with him. It's an act. I just assume he was mentally ill. Well, I assume that too. I mean, when he jumped in Trump's lap calling him like daddy and shit like that, that shit was weird.

I mean, a lot of really smart people are crazy. I mean, they kind of, I mean, there is a, I mean, that, that's kind of their first cousins almost. But no, I think that, I think that what it is is a Kanye is first and foremost, a performer. And so he has learned that the way that you get unc canceled is that you get too big to be canceled. And so how do that? You needle everybody.

And so that's what he does. And you need to be wild and crazy and just and say shit that's so over the top that after a while people just give up on trying to cancel you. But this is not relevant now? I mean, I don't listen to this stuff. So I don't know. But is he still relevant? Like as an artist. Don't look at me.

Some people, he's making money so he's relevant to somebody. You mean just to back tracks? Yeah. I think he still releases music, right? No, he's still making music. I mean, my kids' generation, they think he's great. Like his Hell Hitler song. It's all over the place still.

But see, the hell Hitler thing. See, this goes to the, this is a fault of Israel. No bullshit. I mean, you can't spend decades telling people we're the home of the Jews. We're a Jewish state. We're this, we're that. And then committed genocide. Okay, what are people going to think?

Like, meaning not people who pay attention. That knows the difference between Zionism. Israel's the number one source of anti-Semitism in the world. Yeah. That's kind of my point. Like, so him doing hell, Hitler, maybe pushback on that. I don't know what he is. Like Candice Owens, I got to be honest, I think she's a little bit anti-Semitic. Like, but maybe she fits within a current that allows her to say what she says. But I think it's boiled down to the whole Jews killed Jesus stuff. And I think the same thing with Tucker Carlson. I think that's what this is coming from. I could be wrong. Tucker has made jokes about Jews killing Jesus when he He was on stage and he was like, yeah, who's going to kill that guy?

He was talking about Jesus and he was talking about beating people like falafels and shit like that. I don't know if that's a strain of thought that runs through them in a religious context. I don't know what Kanye is, what's motivation is. I don't know if it's, oh my God, I don't like the killing. I don't like Jews. I don't like what. I don't know where it's motivation. I imagine celebrity.

Listen, I'm not celebrity. Is that a current through Christianity? the Jews killing Jesus stuff. When I look at Tucker, I don't think Tucker was saying openly. But do I think that's in his mind? And do I think that's in his mind, both in the very religious? But the Bible says it in a couple different places that the Jews killed Jesus. Of course, it's not talking about today's Jews.

That's written 2,000 years ago, right? I'm not real Jews. Real Jews. I mean, the Apostle Peter, who was Jewish, said, you killed the Lord Jesus Christ. whom you killed. It's in the book of Acts. So we'll take such issue when people say that. Because Jews refer to that as a dog whistle.

They're saying, well, that means you're anti-Semitic. That means that you're tapping into the vein of Christian anti-Semitism. Well, that's true. Which was a big thing in the Middle Ages. Well, there's a big difference between throwing a Jew down a will and blame them for the black death and then trying to proselytize somebody. somebody say, hey, you know, this is your Messiah and he's coming back one day. No, there's...

But the point is that like the line that Jews killed Jesus and therefore the implication that anti-Semitism is justified comes out of Catholic anti-Semitism during the Middle Ages. It's one another. Like meaning I can hold the thought in my head and say, okay, well, the Bible says this, but it doesn't mean I hate Jews if that makes sense. Like meaning, I don't have to be anti-Semitism. for saying what the Bible says. Well, it's even a weird statement, right?

It's like a bunch of people killed Jesus Christ, right? Like, I mean, the fact that they, it's like when you say the Jews that killed Jesus, the implication linguistically, it's not even an implication. It directly says it is that as a group, they are wholly responsible then and forever, like a sin for the death of Jesus. And the fact, the reason that Jesus isn't here hanging out with us is because the Jews killed are responsible for his death. That's, you know, I mean, it's the, it's the linguistic construction. Well, you have to, what you got to take this in the context, right? So when Peter was

making the sermon, he was preaching in Jerusalem after Jesus was crucified, after he was delivered up to the Romans by who? Who delivered them up? By the Pharisees. And what, and what group do they belong to? Right. Obviously, they were Jewish religious. And when Pilots said, I find no fault in this man. Who is it that then demanded that Jesus be put to death? Okay, but Ponsonchus pilot here. There's a butt. This is a president of state.

Okay, I'm going to just, for the sake of argument here, completely ignore what I know about the real Pontchus pilot. And just talk about the Pontius Bible, pilot of the Bible. In the Bible, okay, he is the officiating, he's the judge, right? He's the commanding, he's the ruler of occupied Judea. He is in charge. He can decide. He could have decided to let to not put Jesus on trial or to let him walk or to exile him or do whatever he wanted or appoint him as his right-hand man or whatever.

Have gay sex with him. He could do whatever he want, right? He chose. He basically said he's the, he's like, I'll leave it up to y'all. Okay. But if I leave it up to y'all and y'all vote to, it's not like my responsibility is absolved. Like, I left it up to y'all, but I'm the one carrying out the execution. It's Roman centurions who crucify him and pierce him and kill him, right?

So it's the Roman government that legally killed him. Well, it wasn't legal because you got to think about this. For one thing, under Old Testament law, trial is going to be held during the day. Jesus' trial was held at night. It wasn't held in the temple. It was held in the house of Caiaphas. So right there is illegal, even under Jewish ceremonial law of the time. Yeah, but this Jewish ceremonial law isn't under isn't the construct under which he was killed.

He was sentenced to death by the Roman occupation authorities. Correct. And who pressure him to do it? Listen, I'm not saying. They didn't have any rules about what time of day the trial had to take place or where it had to take place. I guess nobody ever says the Romans killed Jesus. Well, they do, but it's not. The Romans killed, the ancient Romans killed Jesus.

Jesus, right. But nobody ever. And the Jews, the Jews who were present, I guess they were all about it. And then, you know, but. They pressured him into it. And then here's the crazy thing is, you know, the week before the child, for entry, a lot of the same people who were screaming crucify him, with the same time, saying, Hussein, the highest laying down palm branches,

walk him into the city. And then a week later, they're saying, crucify him. So to answer your question, who does the Bible say kill Jesus? It says the Jews killed Jesus. Okay, but... And it was written by a Jewish man. But the story itself doesn't really say that, right? I mean, the story...

I mean, when Paul says that, he's giving his personal opinion. He's giving his analysis of what happened. It was Peter. Peter was there. Peter. You guys killed him. Okay. Well, that's your opinion, Peter. but the biblical story divinely inspired by the big guy upstairs, him own self, says that Pontius

pilot presided over the trial. Correct. And then basically threw it out for a vote. And basically like in a reality show, they all voted to like, okay, well, I wash my hands of it. Okay, fine. But it's still under his authority, right? The last thing that he would have wanted would have been to have a riot,

or possibly even a revolt by pissing off the Sanhedra. I agree. But at the end of the day, though, the Jews are the ones who pressure them into it. And here's the coup de grace on this. And by the way, the real Pontius pilot wouldn't have given a shit about a Jewish revolt. He was sent there because he was a badass motherfucker. Okay. So we talked about this before.

You've got to remember just a few years before, the Roman just had a major war against the Parthians. He did not have a garrison. He had a garrison. He did not have a full legion with them. The legions to the north of Antioch, there's another one in Egypt. He did not have the men to put that down. That's probably true.

That's true. Read it. So he did not have the men to put down a popular revolt. There's a reason why, you know, when the great Jewish revolt started, it took like a year for Titus and his father, Vespasian, to approach with the legions from the north and the south, because Judea was a minor backwater. Parthew is right there, and the Jews were allies of the Parthians, aka Iranians.

And Jordan. Can I ask you, but I mean, the thing is that the, as we go down the theological rabbit hole as usual here, but, okay, so as some of the questions, some of the people in the comments in the Rumbled and the YouTube chats are pointing out, it's also true that Jesus had to die. He had to be sacrificed for our sins, right? So in a sense, if he has to die to fulfill a prophecy and in order to fulfill God's will, does it really fucking matter if he's killed by Jews or by Pontius Pilate or he's run over by a chariot or he eats a bad piece of hummus?

Does it really matter? To be fair, the only reason I ask the question is because in my mind, something is either true, false, and obviously there are gradations between the two. And it's just a, it's just a, you know, what's in the Bible on that. Is it true or is it false? What it sounds like is technically the Romans killed him. They were under Roman authority, but it was the Jews that gave them to the Romans. That seems to be just a fact associated with it.

Correct. And they pressure them and they pressure pilot into it. It's the equivalent to VCHI authorities turning someone over to the commandantor under the occupying German authorities and the Germans deciding to execute them and then saying, oh, hey, Frenches, are you cool with this? And they're like, we. And then, but who, but who's, who would history say killed them? I mean, you'd say, okay, well, the Vichy guys behaved badly, but, you know, I mean, but who's responsible? I don't think, but, I mean, yeah, the problem with this question is that it sounds,

like both are. I mean, as a flat fact, it sounds like both are. One had legal authority, the other one served them up. Who's responsible? And then people fight. Yeah. Well, it's just like, you know, there's a famous story. I'm sure that it was like, when I read the story the first time and the Bible, I was like, what do you mean? You wash your hand of this, you asshole. Fuck you. You can't wash your hands out of this. You just did it. Guys, I'm going to have to leave you too. All right. Love it. Continue the argument. We'll wrap it up. Go do what you got to do.

I got to go to take off. Bye, you're all. See tomorrow morning. 9 o'clock. Now, do you need me to explain to you why it had to be the Jews that killed Jesus or do you not care? Oh, I actually do care. And then we'll let that be the last word. Okay.

So without trying to take this down into Sunday school, so there's two for things that you got to that you got to keep in mind. We're past that point. So the story about Noah, when the woman is called an adultery, are you familiar? of that story and the Sanhedron brought her up to Jesus and said this she would call her in the act let he who is without sin right so under the mosaic law what was the punishment for stoning to death correct stoning to death right so jesus did not so basically what it was it was a trap because if if jesus had gone through and said well under under the mosaic law we should take her out and stone her because that's the punishment he would then be defying roman law because

the jewish authorities did not have the right to execute the death That's the whole reason why I had to take Jesus to pilot in the first place. That's why he literally reversed it and said, no, those of you without sin, you cast a first stone because he did not have a legal authority to go through and do what the law demanded. So it wasn't him being a weasel. That was him recognizing the jurisdiction that the nation of Israel had at the time. They were not under Mosaic law. They were under Roman law.

But that also can be interpreted as a statement of mercy and how one should not, that judgment should be left to God rather than and not to man. And that's why he told the woman. And that this woman would be assessed when she dies in the afterlife. And that's why he told her, go and sin no more. So that's the follow up. But those are the two parts about that story that people like to forget. Second, the reason why that, okay, why did Jesus have to die? It was because he was the sacrifice. So you got to remember, no, the sins of Passover put onto a lamb, the lamb was then sacrificed. Jesus was of the lineage of David, of the house of Judah. So the right wingers to say Jesus wasn't a Jew. Jesus was Jewish. Hate to tell you, but you are worshiping a Jew.

That is true. I am worshipping a Jew. To say otherwise. No doubt. No question about it. I don't know who would say he wasn't Jewish. Lots of right wingers say. What would they say he was? A Nazarene. They say it's a Nazarene. But that he was like the first member of his own religion or whatever, but Christianity didn't exist when he was alive. But I mean, well, even back then, and like nowadays, it was actually an ethnic group. So you got to remember, when Israel was conquered, well, after Solomon, Israel was split up. The southern kingdom became the kingdom of Judah. The northern kingdom was the kingdom of Israel.

There actually two separate kingdoms. That's actually wars each other. Right. So there was a ethnic and a religious and a cultural identity in the South. And only one of them's ever been fully independent ever. Yeah. So Jesus was of the tribe of Judah, the lineage of his stepfather, Joseph, and also by his mother Mary. So that lineage goes through both branches.

The reason why Jesus had to be sacrificed the way that he was is that he was the final Passover lamb. Because the Bible says, you're a curse who is hung onto a tree. Jesus hung on a tree is crucified. He was the final Passover sacrifice. So that's why he couldn't have been run over by a chariot. He was rejected. The sins of the world were put on him. It was, and it was the whole point of Passover.

The Passover commemorates from the place of Egypt. When the angel of death visited Egypt and blows put over the door, killing the firstborn, there you go. That is the neat little bow that has to be put up there. That's why Jesus coming. And you get the last word, Robbie. All right. very much for that explanation. Thanks everyone for joining us. The program is back tomorrow,

Thursday, 9 a.m. We'll also be here Friday at 9 a.m. and we'll be doing a Q&A show at 12 noon for the first time on Friday. All right, DMZ, by the way, 11 a.m. on Friday. So I'll be four hours of back-to-back talking. Thanks to everyone. Thanks, Robbie. Thanks tomorrow. Bye. Bye-bye.