DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - Why Generation Z Rejects Capitalism

Episode Date: August 21, 2026

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It helps to add people to the screen. Hello, everyone. You are watching the program. This is the Friday Q&A show. It's the first one we've done on Fridays, not the last. We'll be Monday, Wednesday, Friday for Q&A at 12 noon. Just, my apologies for my distraction, just as I was putting up the show, this news alert came across my phone that says,

From the Hill, Gen Z turns against capitalism, as DSA takes off. I'm like, hilarious. Yay, can't wait. So I'll read the story later. But anyway, okay, so let's explain what we're doing here. So this is sort of an, we're trying to obviously raise more money for the show. The show needs to be making a few hundred bucks every episode in order to be viable.

We are falling far short of that, as you guys probably know, just by keeping track of if you guys pay attention to the donations. We do appreciate the donations we've been getting. So I've been working on the Patreon page, which Jamaral, I'm going to send you the link to, and you and Robbie can take a look at it. But basically, that'll probably be the, I'm thinking should be the one-stop place for all funding,

including PayPal and all that stuff, just because it's already kind of up and running. The only funny part is for the tiers, I try to have AI create thumbnails, that showed both of us, and it created us both as generic black guy and generic white guy instead. And I kind of just left it because I was like, fuck it.

And I don't know, maybe I can fix it later. I'll do it. I can do it. You can do it? I use the AI thing all the time. And I like this. If you ever look at my thumbnails, it's usually me. I've even done thumbnails with me like jet skiing.

Add the picture of me naked with my head on and jeep like bod up. And I'm doing my finger like I do all sorts of shit. All right, great. You're the man. Yeah, Robbie was saying I shouldn't be using Grock for this because that's what I was trying to use. And it works sometimes. It's just, I don't know, it doesn't seem to work with me. I can get Clovis to do anything. Well, you can basically say, take this person, use their likeness and make him in space.

Have you ever seen my intro video? It's like five minutes. And it's me swimming from sharks on the moon. I have not. I need to go look at it. I'm just, I'm always like, you know, trying to just barely get a, I'm waking up at that hour. I will send it to you. Okay.

And you got to love it. You got to think it's the greatest, it is the greatest opening video. And you made it yourself on AI? It is awesome. It is awesome. It's five minutes of me just doing some of everything. I have to take cabinets and sandals walking, like, the thing with my head on. It's great.

Just fucking around. Okay. Yeah, all sorts of random shit. Because initially when I did it, I had like, because the video, you know, my channel used to be three hours from 7 a.m. to 10 a. Yeah. And I would, my initial conception of it was, okay, three hours is a long time. You're going to be commercial breaks.

Okay, what does a commercial break look like? Oh, let's just do shit that you could put in as a placeholder until you get advertisements for it. I had all sorts of ideas. None of those ideas panned out. But all of those things I kept. And so I sent up the Fiverr and asked the guy, hey, can you make an opening video of this? And he just took all of them, combined them into one, and that is my opening video.

It's awesome. Awesome. All right. Well, guys, I actually have something I'm going to pass along to the audience that you guys might find interesting. So someone that the show works with just posted a question in the show chat, the private chat. So for Monday, Wednesday, Friday next week, are there any specific guests or topics you guys want to do so I can book ahead? So let's throw it out to you guys. If you guys have any particular guests or particularly topics, but guests also. Look, if you say, like, we want Obama, he's not coming on. Okay. So, but like, you know, someone that we might reasonably be able to get. And, you know, we're pretty ambitious. We've had Jake Tapper here. You know, we can get people.

Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Questions for Jake. I know your question for Jake. I thought about it. At first I was like, I was going to ask you not to ask that question. But I'm like, now I'm thinking, no, I can't ask you not to ask anything. So.

What's the question you think I'm going to ask? I know exactly what. you're going to ask. What? You're going to ask him about how he was wrong about Iraq, right? Or Russia or something. Syria. Syria.

When he was on air, he bought Tossey Gabbard on the show. And he put a knife and Toskey Gapel. Like, imagine I bring you on for an interview. And let's say it's about the L.A. Times. And then I say, here's another cartoonist. Before you say anything, I said, here's a cartoonist. And the card sooner says that Tava R is full of shit. Yeah.

Hey, Taborah. What do you have to think about this? And you're sitting there like, are you, you motherfucker? Right. Like he bought Tosie Gabbard. That's an ambush, yeah. Here's another soldier who says that Tossey Gabbard went to Syria and talked to that butcher Assad.

I can't believe she did this. This is, oh, my God. And then he turns to Talsi and says, hey, Tossey, what do you have to say? But this other soldier who says it truthful and shit. And he's like, are you serious right now? Yeah. Talsing pointed out, Jake, we are supporting terrorists in Syria. That is true.

That's objectively true. Yeah. Objectively true. Jake tabla. The government said we're not doing that. Jake. Yeah. Now, the catch is, did Jake know?

Oh, is Jake full of shit? I think, you know, who fucking knows? I don't know if there's only one way to find out, which is to ask him. I mean, yeah, I mean, you know, I'm trying to remember God, what is his name? Not Chris Hayes. Don Lemon. Don Lemon had me on about the fact, I'd wrote a piece for the Wall Street Journal talking about how I had sort of furtively gotten extra COVID shots that I wasn't quite entitled to. And I mean, basically they said like, oh, basically they were kind of like, I won't get into what the details.

Anyway, the point is he was like, Don Lemon was like, that's illegal. And it's like, it's not illegal. It was not illegal. I looked into it. It's not illegal. And so he's like, but he's like, you broke the lot. I'm like, I didn't. It's like not at all. And I'm kind of like always wondered like, did you just not know it was illegal? Or did you sort of assume that it must be illegal? Or did you lie?

Like which is it? You know, what is it? I never really know. Are they lying or did like, I'd be pushing the line or maybe are they lying or do they not know? And I never always sometimes that, you know, like they wanna say,

it's because they deliver it with that certainty, right? Like sort of like, you know, on this show sometimes, We're like thinking about it on our feet. And sometimes they're like, well, wait a minute. Is that illegal? Like, you know, like if that topic came up, like, wait, are you allowed to do that? And we'd be, like, looking it up online while we're doing it, right?

Or Robbie would look it up. And then, but, like, those guys, they don't do that. They're like, but that's illegal. And then you're like. With infinite certainty. Right. The certainty is the lie. Wait a minute.

I think, right? And maybe that's what, maybe that's just because they're, like, on CNN, they have to do it. Maybe that's right. Yeah, they have to appear authoritative. Yeah. When it's really, but when you do that, it pisses people off because people are. And it fucks up your credibility, right? I mean, like, I mean, I know it's not, this isn't the news, but I may imagine if, you know,

George W. Bush had said, you know, we think there's a good chance that Saddam Hussein might still have WMDs. That's a very far cry from what they said. Like, we know for sure. Like that, though. Right. That's why. I think.

The American people. American people would not have gone along with that, right? That's why they fucking, you know, that's why they turned it to 11. But if they, yeah, that's, that's right. But it's the certainty was the lie. That's what I always said. Like, if you said, like, oh, we think probably. That's, you know, like, well, I don't know if I want to send my son to die for a think, maybe.

But thinking that. Although now I think we don't care about that. Like, they just make shit up about, like, North Korea or Iran or whatever. He didn't even bring you up for that. He put to him for the. Wall Street Journal, right? Or was it something else? I mean... Yeah, it was the Wall Street Journal thing. The article was about you getting additional shots.

Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. You wrote an article about that? I wrote an article about... Yeah, I basically, yeah. I was kind of like, I don't even remember what my point was, but... Oh, I think I just thought it was a funny story because they were... Oh, I had decided to get a shot I wasn't entitled to because I read it at the same time they were tossing millions of shots that were getting old. And I'm like, I want that dose. Like, you're throwing it. If you're throwing it away, I want it.

I'll take it. Yeah, like, give it to me. I'll take it. I got two COVID shots, and I was like, I'm done forever. I have to admit, I would like, I look back. I'm like, that was a mistake. I shouldn't have done it. Did you see the RNA shot that Moderna did?

And see, this is why, I know a lot of people were complaining about the shots. It was like, oh, MRI, that's some special thing in that. Maybe that's true in 20 years. I don't know. But it had been around for a long time. It just wasn't being used for anything. Right. to this particular purpose, but now they're like, hey, we can use this a bunch of other stuff

because we realize that we can do things like cancer and everything else. Yeah. But Darla's stop just went through the roof. It's a huge thing. Yeah, like, I mean, we kind of saw that coming that it was going to be. Yeah. That's what they were saying. And Russia came out with their vaccine for cancer and stuff like that.

Yeah, Iran had one too. Yep. Yeah. So all these countries that develop their own. I mean, you know, good for them for sure. All right. So let's see if we have any questions to get to. By the way, so here's the deal.

It's the Q&A show, which means it's time for you to ask any and all questions and comments that you would like for me, Robbie, Jamarle, all of us, two of us, whatever. Or you can just like rant or whatever. I suppose we could even take a phone call if we wanted to. Or just support the show. Just support the show. All right. Any of those things.

Yeah, we really. Something that I thought was super interesting. When you came on, You said, Gen Z, and as you pointed out, I love this. You said, Gen Z turns against capitalism. Yeah. And when I read headlines like that, I think to myself, well, how would they be supportive of? You know, what's capitalism doing for them?

What is it doing for them? They don't have a house. They don't have a job. They're living at home with their mom with their prospects or shit. You're telling them Social Security is going to go bankrupt. And you're like, we're surprised that they don't like the system and the way it is. No, it's, yeah, no, totally right. I'm going to see if I can find this piece and read a little bit.

Some shit like that yesterday, too. Scott Vincent was out giving a speech, he was like, I don't quite know why the oil prices gone up. You don't? What I don't know is why it hasn't gone up more. Right. Like, these headlines trip me out sometimes. Like, because they're, as you pointed out, they're authoritative.

And so it makes you think that the rational point of view is the angle that the article is And if you're not paying attention, you might be like, huh, I can't believe these Gen Cs are doing that, which is the point of the article. Right. The reality of it is, anybody with three brain sales are like, why the fuck would they like it? Why would they be okay? It is really fucking them over. And they're like, we need something different.

Yeah, capitalism sucks. I mean, yeah. Well, okay, here we go. If capitalism is going to maintain itself, it has to continue the illusion that there's buying it. Meaning, you could fuck over 60% of the public, and that 60% allows you buy in to fuck over the other 40%. Meaning if 60% is in, you can't fuck over the 40%. True.

You can't buy 20%. No. But by the way, there's this great book that I would really recommend. It's called The Anatomy of Revolution by Crane Britain. It's old. It came out like in the 60s. And basically, he compares the British Revolution under Cromwell, the American Revolution, the Russian Revolution and the Chinese revolutions.

And basically, he's trying to figure out, is there like a witch's brew that makes revolution? And if so, what is it? What are the common threads? What are, you know, the non-common threads? I mean, obviously there's unique characteristics to each of these events. And one of the common characteristics

is when elites, young elites, have a hard time advancing. In time. does that entice but peter tootian no i have not read that oh you got to read the the anatomy of revolution is basically says yeah it's about so basically like if you're a college student you got to go to college which makes you an elite right especially if you got to go to a good college but not you know anyway you got and then like you get out you can't find a job or you can't find a you can find a job but it's not a good job or you find a good job but it doesn't pay enough to

buy a car in a house those things, right? Those things are like key. Like if young elites can't make it, it doesn't cause revolution, but it's a good indication that you might be entering a revolutionary moment, which is a time when a revolution might happen

and might take home. That's the argument, too. Yeah. I think it's an elite pump that you get to the point where there's the political system and the economic system can't accommodate the environmental changes that are effectively taking place,

and you have so many elites that they've basically made policy, and even from the standpoint of media, entrenched themselves in a way that new elites can't break into the system. And the new elites who want to break into the system effectively use the anger of the masses as a way to go after the current system, effectively allowing themselves to get into the place. Now, Peter Tuch's book, it's really good. It's called End Times.

It sounds like a very similar argument. All right. I'll have to check it out. More recent, I assume. Yeah, I read that thing once it was. All right, well, that's how I felt about, yeah. And I remember, I still remember where I was. I was in Thailand reading The Anatomy Revolution.

And you know when you're traveling sometimes and like there's no one else around and you read with an intensity because you're outside of your country and you're like really paying. I mean, I always pay attention. But like I really was, you know, engrossed. Gen Z. So here's the story from the hill. Only 9% of Americans younger than age 30 have a very positive view of capitalism, according to a new CBSUGov poll. This is a stark contrast between Gen Z and older generations. 33% of boomers over 65 say that they have a very positive view of capitalism.

23% of Gen Xers, people like me, age 45 to 64, view capitalism very positively. But millennials in the age 30 to 44 range are closer to Gen Z. Only 15% say they have a very positive view. I want to meet these 15%. Who the fuck are they? 41% of respondents under 30 had a very negative or somewhat negative view. That's compared to 27% of boomers. Not that different, really.

Oh, no, sorry, that is a big different. 32% of Xers and 37% of millennials. So we've seen that. No, I'm sorry, please. Ashik Sadiq, National Co-Chair of DSA, says we've seen that polling. It's definitely striking. But to us, it really tracks with the experience that so many younger people have. Gen X, especially by now, just weren't raised with a lot of the assumptions that I think millennials were.

I mean, I don't know. Gen Xers, we kind of saw the whole downward mobility thing ourselves. But anyway, yeah, interesting. it's rational. Right. Why wouldn't they? I guess my thing is, why would they have a positive view of it? I mean, the capitalist fucked up.

Like, no bullshit. From their point of view, they took it as we'll just take it all. Meaning, it's one thing you say, okay, I'm going to limit myself to, I don't know, $50 billion. As opposed to I'm going to make a trillion dollars. Those are very different things, right? I've eaten enough cookies. I'm all right.

I can be okay with $50 billion. I think I can get by. I think I can get by with $50. Scrape by, yeah. Yeah, because what you want is effectively, because otherwise what you're going to do is create a situation where the public is going to get to the point of saying,

you shouldn't have any of them. Or at the very least, we're going to take your shit back or take our country back in real terms. Not the Trump shit, but we are going to take our country back. If you're looking back, let's say after the Second World War, Okay, well, the world is destroyed, right? And you as a capitalist can run wild because for all intents of purposes, productivity is going up, workers is going up, people are relatively happy, the world is good. You have no issue.

And if you ask people, how do you like capitalism? They're going to say, capitalism is great, right? Because everybody's good. You can look at the productivity map and you can look at wages and all of those things we're tracking together. Okay, that's not true today. And so why would somebody who's living at home with their mind? Mama trying to get a job knowing they would never get a house or at least no time soon and knowing they won't get married because they can't afford a wife.

Why would they think this system is fantastic? Right. And the only thing is they're not, I mean, I guess, like cynical right wingers would say, okay, well, there are too young to remember the Soviet Union and what, you know, the breadlines and how awful, you know, and the gulags and the Cold War and all that. Because that's for them. That's what socialism is. In our prisons than the Soviet Union did.

True. True. I hate to point you out. I mean, also, this is a poor country. And for people who are going to say, get the fuck out of here, Raul, just go on a road trip, man. Just fucking drive it randomly. Go anywhere. I mean, I'm not even going to tell you where.

Go to Flint or go to Dayton. Just go places. Just drive through cities, suburbs, farm communities, all over the country. Go on a road trip. most people live in poverty and you'll just see that I mean that's just the truth it's a poor country

it's this is not Switzerland man it's not Norway right and if not adjet poverty no if like um like you have a TV

you know yeah vulnerable like any if anything happens if my car goes bad I'm screwed right

if my computer goes bad I'm screwed if you know I lose my job I'm really group and then you realize there's nothing under you to protect you. I have a story in my book, The Anti-American Manifesto, about a lady who she neglect, she didn't have the 10 bucks to renew her driver's, her car registration. So it led to a series of cascades where, you know, they,

they up the money that she owed and she finally, she couldn't, she certainly couldn't pay that. She owed hundreds of dollars in back fines. Her car got towed. They took her car. She couldn't get it would have cost even more money to get the car out of being towed and then of course she can't get her car out so now she's on the bus she can't hurry she can't get to her her job so she loses her job she ends up homeless over a fucking sticker right like that's what I mean like in some of the stuff is concept like you can easily conceive of it right like I give me a perfect example lose the job when on the radio station comes back comes to Richmond and at that point it's like okay have to get car insurance. Okay, car insurance is $400. Okay, do I get the car insurance?

Now, the answer is no, because you can't really afford it. And so you say, okay, well, I'll just take the risk. And I think a lot of that shit happens. Like people get into the position where it's like, okay, I got a ticket. I can't afford the ticket. But then they're going to put fines on the ticket. I need to get the work, however, and say, okay, so they take your license. Okay, but I still need to get the work because I need to pay for my apartment or for my house or for my this. and then you get stopped by the cops. Now your life is fucked. You can easily conceive of these things that are just purely based on payment.

We have people who are in jail right now purely because they couldn't necessarily pay a bill. And so they're basically stuck in debtors prison. Like stuff like this should happen. It's one thing in society, this country has far too much money in the country for people to be. And, you know, it's also, I mean, it's also just, yeah, it's a really, ridiculous series of counter incentives. It reminds me of like, you know, you want to punish a kid who's misbehaving in school by suspending them. Oh, like, really? You think that's going to work? Like, you're sending them away from school to stay home all day and watch TV? Great, right? And similarly,

like, you think someone didn't, you think that, like, you're going to wake someone up because they didn't pay. So you're going to charge them more and like not like incrementally more. Like, I could see that logic, you know, like you owe $25. All right, well, now it's 30. But no, no, no, no, no, now it's 50. You know, it's like, now it's, now it's 300. It's like, it's insane. I mean, it's like they were assuming that you didn't pay because you didn't want to. Right. Right. It's like, that just didn't happen. Right. Or it can even be something innocent, like, yeah, you were traveling. You were taking care of your parents. You were out of state. You didn't, you didn't get the thing in the mail. I mean, I mean, L.A. You brought up. the LA Times thing. There's a law. So when I sued, one of the things I found out, I got a call from

a very kind of famous sort of TV lawyer who said, oh, you better fucking, you know, you better file suit right away. I said, how come? And she said, okay, so it's like this. When you, when you, in the state of California, the newspaper lobby got this law passed that if you, if a newspaper publishes something that you deem libelous, you have, I think it's 10 business days to file suit. Yes. 10 business days between the time, not from the time that you become aware of it, but from the time that the, that the, that the, you have to, you have to, that it's published. I'm sorry, not to file suit to provide notice that you're going to send a cease and desist letter, right? And I was like, so I got the cease and desist out like literally with like three hours.

to spare, right? But the thing is, and I had it delivered, you know, by by messengers so that I'd made sure that they got it, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But the point is, I was thinking, all right, so people travel, right? People, you know, or like, let's just say I don't live in California. And the LA Times publishes some bullshit about me. And no one bothers to tell me for, say, a couple months. Oh, my God, I can't believe that thing that the LA Times wrote about you, Ted. Oh, well, best to be you. I've lost all my rights. I have no redress in the courts, because of this ridiculous law. I mean, it's, it's this, we live in this hard ass society where everything is brutal. You know, it's like, you know, like, let's just say, okay, you get a speeding ticket.

Well, I mean, where I live, that's going to cost you about 800 bucks to get a speeding ticket. I mean, between all the supplemental fees and everything you pay. And I'm like, all right, if they want you to slow down, they could send that same message with 50 bucks or 20. I mean, this is like it's, it's just, I mean, it's breathtaking. I mean, for a normal upper middle class person, 800 bucks is a lot of money. For a poor person, it's impossible. It's like, and so what are they gonna do to you?

I mean, it's just, and there's, you can't go to a judge and say, Your Honor, I'm poor, I can't afford to pay. I mean, they don't care. They just suspend your license. Yeah, they don't care. No, it's, yeah, you're right. It's hard as to sign. Capitalism is able.

And by the way, it was funny. When I used to tell my, her and I used to get into arguments over money all the time. And not money like in a sense of, like sharing money or anything like that. But when, this is funny, it was like we're fighting for love. When I was, um, so fucking epic, when I was traveling, I was telling her, I was like, dude, it's too expensive to be in Austria. Austria is extremely expensive anywhere. And it's not, look, the issue for me when I was traveling was I had to pay for treatments. Treatments cost a certain amount per month. So whatever the cost of treatments and the cost

of an apartment was, I looked at that as one cost, which is a base cost of anywhere. And so it's like, okay, Malaysia, the base costs might be, I don't know, $1,500. So it's like between treatments and apartment, it's about $1,500 and you have to pay food and everything else. But food and everything else is so minor, it doesn't really factor into it. it's treatment and cost. In Austria, the base rate, I think, is like $2,400 just for treatments. That's not enough for rent. I can't afford that.

And she's like, wow, she was like, well, if money is that much expensive to you and money is your only focus, and it's like, are you out your fucking mind? You live in Austria. Like, you get spa days. Your health care of. If you don't work, you're going to stipend. I mean, you live in an easier country. Well, it's like I used to, it's like I used to tell my father who was wealthy and didn't

want to help me when I was, when I was younger. He's like, you're, you know, he's like, all you, is all you, is that is money all you think about? And I was like, yeah, because I'm poor. Yes. So, so yeah. Yeah. I'm working on survival, survival.

I don't have help here. Right. Like, meaning you're dealing with somebody who, A, who is ill. And if anything happens, I'm just fucked. There is no safety net. There is nothing else. That's my mindset, right? And you're living in Austria where all of your needs are being care of.

Calm down. Don't get me shit for that. You would be better off coming here. You'll see how the shit is. All right, let's do some comments. Questions? All right, questions. And thanks for your support, guys.

Priority goes to the paid ones, but we'll try to do them all. All right, Ray C-2020. I caught the Sugar Hill gang set last night at Iowa State. fair. What were your favorite rap artists? Can I bus definitely, oh God, I haven't listened to the rap. Rayquan, Wu-Tang, I used to love Wu-Tang. Rayquan's only built for Cuban-Links is classic. Classic.

Those are probably my three. I used to love the Wu-Tang Clan. Some of the other ones, when I was a kid, I can't listen to right now because I think they're just protest. NWA, I used to love. when I was a kid growing up. Yeah, those ones are coming to mind. Can't have us, though.

It's my top thing, even now. My knowledge of rap is shitty. But, you know, I mean, I loved run the MC and Public Enemy. And yeah. Public Enemy is good. Pelicanry is so good. Yeah. So, yeah.

But, yeah, I liked Eminem. Yeah. Eminem is talented. I know a lot of black people don't like to admit that. Oh, I would imagine, yeah. It's like that white guys. It's like, hey, man, you have black people. What's it?

Jesse Owens. Right, black people are doing rock and doing it well. Hell, arguably Chuck Berry invented it. So, yeah. Yeah, yeah. All right, let's see. F you so. Thanks for the dollar.

What's black and white? white and Robbie all over. I don't even understand that joke. What's black and white and and Robbie all over? I mean, I know what's black and white and red all over, but that's not the same thing. And Robbie all over. I don't know. Young people would not know that joke. I'm not going to touch that. I don't know where he's going to. No. Okay. Right. Let's move on. Romeo Scar. Okay, we have some some guest suggestions. George Galloway and Chris Hedges. George Galloway would be amazing. I don't think Galloway. Helleway likes me, though.

Hedges, I never know if he likes me or not. Hedges is awesome. I've only interviewed him once, I think. He's really good. I was in a debate with him once. He's a pacifist. He is, and I'm not. I don't even know why pacifists exist, to be honest.

This was in conjunction with revolution. And he argued that it's possible to have a revolution without violence. I said it's impossible. Pacifist can exist because there's been willing to do. because there's been willing to do violence for them to protect them. Yeah. That's why pacifism exists. It's that.

And by the way, Robbie, when you set this statement, when you're watching Deep Space 9, you're going to come across Section 31. And he makes basically the same argument. He's like, you can be you because we're here. Right. We're going to do the adult stuff that you can't tolerate. So you can be your past for self. You can be, you know, your doctor and everything else.

You can have your ideals. And we will take the sacrifice of a hit to our own ideals in order to make you go. Yeah, agree, right. It's life. Reality doesn't allow it. Like, I'm a passive as bunny. It gets in. Bunny gets in.

Okay. Let's see. Genitals, thanks for the fiber. Ted, what's your bike? And do you get nerdy about bikes in general? The bike nerds here need to know. no, I don't get nerdy about bikes in general. I don't wear spandex. I only wear like shorts and a t-shirt and ed sneakers. However, I have a Greg Le Monde. It was a treat to myself. It's funny because

I had until the year 2000, so I was like 37, I had like a the same bike that my dad had given me for my 12th birthday, which was a Japanese azuki. Great bike, but I just, you know, I beat it to death. I mean, it's like I'd been using it my entire life. And then half of it on the streets of New York City. And so I had some money that year. I was making some good money. And I was like, I want to buy myself a tooth back then.

What was a very expensive bike? $2,500. And it only weighed, the frame only weighed six pounds. You could pick it up with your pinky. It's like a bag of sugar. It's so good. So I still have it. I treat it.

Everything I have, I maintain really well, my car and everything, my computer. I keep everything running. I try to buy something and keep it going as long as possible. Then I kill it and get something I like to replace it. But I don't like to buy new things all the time. So the longer you can make something less, like the fewer headaches there are in your life and the less money you spend. And it's better for the environment. It's just a win, win, win.

So basically, yeah, so it's a Greg LeMonde. It's blue. People always admire it on the streets. It's 26 years old, and I have no plans to get another one. I have a bike speedometer on it, so I can keep track of my rides and shit like that. Don't not go that fast. Yeah, yeah. It's like, I need a speedometer.

Well, you know. Believe it or not, like it's actually, I do break the speed limit at certain points. No, I'm teasing. I'm teasing. It just sounded funny. No, no, it's true, though. All right. If you so, have you read guns, germs, and steel by Jared Diamond of UCLA? Yes, I have. Famous book, thoughts on what I call geographic determinism. Do you know about this book? No, I don't. What's geographic determinism? So geographic determinism, which I think is pretty, I think it's a pretty compelling argument.

I don't think it explains everything. Nothing explains everything, but certainly it doesn't. But it's the arguments that, for example, the reason that the United States had a big advantage in its 19th century development was that it has big north-south rivers like the Mississippi that traverse through different climactic zones and facilitated trade between different crops that grew at different latitudes, as opposed to China, which had a harder going because it was a disdemeanor. disadvantaged by having large east-west rivers like the Yangtzee and the Yellow River that don't cross into different climactic zones. So, for example, the rice belt wasn't able to trade easily with the wheat belt and so on. So it's just about geographic positioning means a lot. Like North America benefits enormously from having being protected by two vast oceans on each side, whereas a country like Russia is always beleaguered and besieged because it has no natural borders

to protect itself in very many places and a lot of hostile neighbors. And they don't have mountains to protect them. So they rely on basically having they tried. The Russians have always for hundreds of years wanted to maintain either controlling or friendly relations with all of their neighbors so that they had a buffer zone. That's how they achieved security. That's what the Ukraine thing is really all about. And whereas, like, the United States doesn't have to worry about that.

We've got the Atlantic, the Pacific, and two vassal states, Mexico and Canada. I think that's true. I mean, if people ain't Siv, it's true and Siv. Yeah. Like, I think it's just natural, right? Like, hey, if I have an advantage where, oh, I was born, I was, for example, if you're in the Middle East and there's all that oil, hey, I can exploit the or for the resources, et cetera.

So, okay, we have an advantage just by definition because what's on the ground. And same thing with the U.S. crops, oil, steel, et cetera, et cetera. Like, we had all sorts of shit on this land. This was a plentiful country. Yeah, no question. Definition.

Yeah. No, I mean, I think, look, I do think it's, I guess I do believe in it. Let's see. Spock Turtle, I asked Robbie earlier this week, but would you all ever consider doing sci-fi-e movie TV watchalongs and do commentary of them. Yes.

Certainly, certainly. I don't think we can show it on TV on. Just what I was going to say. Yeah, there's copyright concerns, right? Yeah, like mystery science theater. We can't really do that. Yeah, but yeah. What's the rules around that for Rumble?

You would get nuked because of copyright. They would fry us. So really the only way you'd be able to do it is just, we all just watch the same show at the same. same time and then just talk about it. We've been able to see it. That would be the problem. Yeah, it sounds a little gay. So clips of it without sound and talk about the clips as opposed to just short the

entire movie. Like all of us watch it and then we talk about it almost like a book review. That would be the only way that you're able to do it because that way would fall under fair use. But YouTube, though, is incredibly squirly about fair use. Even if it's just clips, they can still go after you just blow you up. Rumble, though. Shores like lower reloaded, shows like that. The way they do it is like, they would do like a two-second clip or three-second clip,

and then they would be talking over the clip. So they would never play it. It's still like he's just giving commentary with things. And sometimes the same clip over and over and over again, so it's not doing the thing. I don't know. I don't know the way to do that, because I've thought about that in general.

No, it's a cool idea. And I kind of wish that it was allowed. I mean, I'm sure mystery science theater paid for the rights to do for all that stuff. We could probably do it on telegram or on Discord. Huh. But at the screen grab. All right. I mean, if you give a redneck a challenge, we'll figure out a way to make it work.

It's like, we're very industrious. All right. Walter say I would chat a lot more, but I'm always at work when you guys are on live. but I love the show and look forward to it every day. So hype that you guys are doing Q&A on Fridays too. All right, we are doing Q&A and Q&As on Fridays too. It's the first one. And by the way, if you're so inclined and you're deep-pocketed enough

to subscribe for 20 bucks a month on YouTube or on Patreon, which we will be rolling out next week, then you can join the evening 7 p.m. on the last Thursday of the month. First one is next Thursday, six days from today. that we'll be doing. So that might be better for your schedule if you're doing the nine to five thing. All right, to hear.

Real quick, we probably can do the sci-fi thing with that. I mean, because that, us meeting or something like that doesn't require us to be on YouTube or Rumble. We could be on like telegram. That's true. That's true. Yeah, we're not broadcasting it. It's just a, yeah, it's not going to be living anywhere.

If you want to hang out for the sci-fi thing, Yeah. That would be a thing to do it because $20. All of us be together, watch the TV show, and all of us are chatting. Yeah, that's fun. Yeah. Okay, I like that. All right, or we could do a presidential speech when that happens or whatever.

All right. This, you do, under HEPA, you do not have to answer this question, Jamar. But Tahir wants to know what you were being treated for. I've had kidney fair. I've had kidney figure since all 17. It's been, what, 31 years? you know it's funny when I was in so I have to get

dialysis when I'm up probably like I have to pay for treatments when I was I hope we have national health care by then no they don't you have to pay for it I mean it depends where you were if you're in Europe Europeans get it for free

and you're European and you move anywhere through Europe you get it for free so basically if you're from Austria and you move it to Germany same in healthcare, all of this. They have agreements. As an American, no, you have to pay out of pocket for it. Ridicrous.

So when I was in, when I was in Nepal, the first place I went to, I spent like 30 bucks because it was a public hospital. Public hospitals tend to be worse off. And oftentimes, they don't really see foreigners or Americans, but me, I don't mind. Eventually, I got into a fight with the doctor at the public hospital. and had to go to a different one, which increased the cost. The guy, when I was at the hospital, I was settling in what I needed. Because at that point, I need to get treatments.

It's an emergency. It's something that needs to get done. And there's a amount of time that it needs to get done. And I'm a burning candle while it's not done. And so I go to the hospital. I'm talking to the doctor. He says, okay, well, I have another one. Maybe you can go to this one.

And he talks to the doctor. And he's talking to him. He's talking to me. He's trying to get me a deal on the price, right? Because there's a certain amount that they can charge you in the ball. And that price can go everything from, let's say, 40 bucks to hundreds of dollars. Now, hundreds of dollars is insane. If somebody is saying, we're going to charge you three, four, five, a dollar, tell them go fuck themselves.

Depends on where you are. I know how much these things cost all around the world. And I go to the other doctor, and the doctor, him and I are talking, him and are talking. He's very nice guy. And he's like, I heard you've been doing this for 30 years. He says, congratulations, shakes my hand. And because of that, he gave me a discount on the price. He was like, that's pretty.

pretty pronounced, right? You stick yourself too? Yeah, yeah, can't you let that stuff? Wow, that's pretty amazing. He says, okay, well, how about this? I'll give you this deal. So he gave me a shit. That's really funny.

But, yeah, it's, yeah, I pay for treatments when I'm abroad. It's a cost that you have to bake into it. You can factor the amount of treatments. Like, you can say, okay, well, I'll do two a week. Usually it's sort of rich. So wait, so people, there are people who can't stick themselves? Oh, 99%. I mean, what do they do? Sorry, I'm...

Yeah, it's a nurse. Like, the nurse typically... Isn't that really impractical? Like, what if you just have to be somewhere and you don't can't pop in to see a nurse? Well, no, no, no. Treatments are done at a clinic. So they're dialysis clinics, although I think you're in... Okay. No, I've seen them in strip malls all over, yeah. Yeah, they're all over the place. And so those dialysis clinics where people go to get dialysis.

But like, what if you're like, you know, I don't know, you're like, you're at a ghost town in Nevada. What do you do? Yeah, that's what to get? treatment. I mean, you can treat the death. But it's so much more convenient if you can stick yourself, right? Then you're like, no, no, but you still need treatments. Like, any way you look at it, you still need to get a treatment somewhere. And so it's most of the time when you're going to get a treatment, you're at a clinic. So what are you sticking? I'm sorry, I really don't know anything about this. So what do you do when you stick, when you stick yourself? What's that for?

I see what you're asking. I'm sorry. All right. So when a person's kidney doesn't work, well, a lot of it just breaks down because for whatever particular reason, God fucked up. What do he makes a system? If I'm a programmer, I would have had a diversification of concerns. God didn't do that. So the kidney has multiple functions. Everything from blood pressure management, everything from calcium phosphorus, everything from it's all over the place, vitamins D.

All of those things are directly related to kidney function. And when it fucks up, your ability to clean the blood goes with it. And so what they do is they have multiple ways of trying to mitigate that. One way is CAPD, continuous ambulatory peritoneal dialysis. That's when they put, what is the thing called? It's your peritoneal cavity. It's a cavity in line in your stomach where they can fill with this kind of dextrose fluid and pooled blood. And osmosis, there's an exchange between the sugar, which goes into the blood,

and the toxins that goes into the vein. That, however, you have to do four times a day. So that's tantal. Oh, I had no idea. So the other thing is where they put what they call a fistula in the arm. And basically they take the artery in the vein, combined it, in order to create an access, which is the thing that basically is thriving with blood. It becomes a huge blood supply.

They could put it in the arm, the leg, etc. They don't like put it in the leg, usually they put it in the arm. And you would use a needle for the arterial and a needle for the venus. and a needle for the Venus, in which case blood goes through the machine, basically goes through one needle to the machine, gets clean, and then comes back in through the penis. That typically takes three and a half hours. Wow.

You got to do something because otherwise over the time period, your body's going to fill with toxins. You will ultimately, of course, you have died. This is a shitty process to die in that way because you basically, as somebody who started this as a child, very aggressive in, I did not weaned it easily as a child. I just said that way. And testing the limits of how long a body can go without treatments. If you want to know how it feels, I will tell you how it feels and how long you can go without it. I've tested the limits of all that stuff. But as an adult, I have become wiser. And I've realized that this,

stuff has to be done. You have limits. And those limits, you can push those limits, but it's the limits. It cleans the blood. And you typically get it in America three times a week in other countries. Sometimes it's two times a week, but in America's three. You don't really have a choice on that. You can push it, the limits. So you can go seven days, eight days, nine days, ten days, etc. But you are going to feel shitty the further you go out in that. And so typically, you just, you just, you try to keep it within boundaries. When I would take trips, like for the radio station, it would be five days because that was the length of the trip. And that wasn't really the issue. At worst case scenarios, when I was traveling, you would go seven. I think the worst I did was nine. I think that was doing the wedding. But you have to mitigate that. Like what you eat, what you drink. You're basically not drinking anything. The what you eat is being minimized because you don't necessarily want to put the toxins. Basically, you have to deal with the fact that you're burning candle and you have to extend the length of the candle as you function,

because after a while you're going to have a hard time to function. But I never tested that when I was at the job. It was only like five or six days, which was normal for me. I've been doing that for like 20-something years, so that wasn't anything abnormal. When I was traveling, however, I got every treatment, but I got every treatment just because I ran into an issue when I was traveling that required it. When I was in Albania, I was getting two a week. There was no issue.

The world was great, great health, everything else. By time I got to Nepal, what's the word I'm looking for? Consistency started to break down. And I put on a huge amount of fluid, which required me to get the three treatments a week as opposed to the two pitiful. It was getting normally. But no, it's, you just mitigate. You just have to try to balance the shit out.

There's a bit of discipline, self-control, that's associated with it, especially when you're traveling because you don't have leeway. Like you're, like if you're in America, worse than the worst, you can always just go to a doctor. When you're abroad, it's all complicated to go to the doctor's either. They don't speak your language and you have to. Yeah, yeah, of course, that's the worst. Yeah. But that person, but most people don't sit themselves.

They just go to clinics and the nurses. Got it. Got it. All right. Let's do some more questions. Thanks for the $20 from Sam Palmasano. If we had the ability to completely solve one social, economic, political problem, which problem would create the greatest positive impact by being solved.

Give it a poverty. I was going to say economic insecurity, get rid of economic and security, like where nobody has to worry about the basics. Yes. Like, you know, like, okay, so if you lose your job, you're still, you're going to keep your house, you're still going to have your car, you're still going to be able to get health care, you're still going to be able to get groceries, you're going to, you know, you might not be able to go to the French Riviera and stay at a four-star hotel, but you will be okay.

Yeah. Because the thing about that is it's not just the kind and right thing to do. It's also like economically powerful. I mean, think about the ripple effect in the economy when people have all that extra money in their pockets. I mean, you know, if someone loses their job, right, that's a dry cleaner that's no longer, you know, pressing that person's suits. That's a barber who's not.

going to see that guy getting his haircut as often and so on, right? Like if you, you know, if people are skipping on groceries, the grocer's selling fewer groceries. I mean, put more money in people's pockets. It's trickle up economics. I think I would say it is give rid of, I mean, create abundance. Give rid of scarcity. Like, because I think we function on scarcity model with the idea of a lot because it's correct. You can make more profit, but more profit only goes the rich. Like, getting rid of scarcity is different. Like, that's basically, listen, we're going to create abundance. We're going to make sure that there's so much stuff that things are just dirt cheap and that people have to things that they need. That's a different economic system,

by the way. Completely. Exactly. Different economics. Totally. Yeah. Totally, totally, totally different. All right, we have more questions. Thanks for the $5. Abdul-Albu Kid. Tomorrow, I thought Medicare says for hemodialysis. It's called dialisate in the paratineum, and it can be done overnight, not three times a day. It depends. So there's CCPD and CAPD. Continuous ambitory peritoneal dialysis is the one that's done four to five times, four to five times a day, depending on person.

Continuous cycler, Jesus, Miss a long. I was in my 20s when I was doing it, so I forget some of the names, but it's CCPD. or continuous cycler paratine dialysis. That one is a machine that you do overnight. It's the same process. It's just a machine doing it. The machine does 45 treatments over the course of the night while you sleep.

Ideally, why you sleep, because if it goes off, you have to wake up. If it goes off, you have to wake up. You can go off, you have to go over here. You can choose to do either one of those. I no longer can do either one of those because what comes with those, potentially if anything goes wrong,

Paritonitis is when you have an infection in your parotinium cavity, and you talk about pain, epic, epic, pain. The first one I had, I was 18 years old. I was in college, and the woman I was sleeping with at the time, Stacey, she, Stacey, she wasn't my girlfriend. We're just having sex. In fact, we hooked up within the first night, no, the first, like by the third night, she stole my virginity. She took my flower. You were raped. Right, I was right.

She took my flower. But Stacy, it was funny, right? Because initially, my first thought was, they tell you, okay, if you think you have parotinitis, empty your bag. Basically, empty the bag that's in your stomach and is it cloudy. The bag wasn't cloudy. And so I was like, okay, I'll let it ride for a bit. and I fall asleep, wake up, I'm in pain.

I'm an extreme, extreme pain. And I emptied the bag. The bag was cloudy, I had parotinitis. And I tell Stacey, and I was like, Stacy, I need to go to the hospital. I'm calm. I'm calm. I need to go to the hospital. What's wrong?

I think I have parotinitis. And she starts to freak out. And I said, Stacey, I need you to drive because I'm in extraordinary pain. Was she like, oh, my God, oh, my God. She is in a full panic. No. And she's driving me to the hospital. She nearly hits a car.

And look, here's the thing that people don't quite realize. I don't like people visiting me in the hospital. I hate it. It means that I have to now deal with my issues and deal with yours. And I don't want to do that. Like meaning, I have to somehow now be here for you, even though you're supposedly visiting me. It's one thing if I want me to visit. If you're visiting when I don't want you to visit, this is more about you that's less about me.

respect my options. And I will be a dick to you when I don't want you to visit. Right. People learn at the hard way. Like when preachers come to the hospital and I leave the room and it's like, why is he leaving the room? Because he doesn't want you here. He didn't ask you to be here.

He doesn't want you here. He doesn't like you. It's that, right? And I need to communicate to you because you're not listening to me. Stacey barely gets me to the hospital. Barely gets me to the hospital. God, I hate people like that. I hate it when people, though.

when like you're suffering you know like hey I'm bleeding here oh my god there's so much blood I'm the one bleeding shut the fuck up and drive right it's like when the LA Times thing went down God too many mentions of that today my mom was like she was like do you realize how this makes me feel I'm like you you it's not about you you know Oh, that's too funny. Yeah, but Stacey got me to my hospital. But it's long surcharge. It's parotinitis is the issue why I can't do it anymore.

In fact, what happened is it created so much scar tissue that I started to get what they call adhesions. Adhesions, and it started to wrap around my small intestines and would cut off the small intestines, which required enough surgery for them to go in and chop off part of the start intestines, bring it back together. But then when they do this, that creates more adhesions because it creates scar tissue by racism. There are consequences for it when it goes poorly. But yeah, there's CCPD at night, CEPD during the day, paratamia dialysis, is the one with the and, of course, transplant. Okay.

All right. Let's see. More, more questions here. Okay. Oh, this one, this is a good one for you, J.T. Makad, do you reckon that the Ferengi and the Bajorans are both based on Jewish people with different perceptions. Not the pejorants, but anyway, go ahead.

Oh, that's rough. That's rough. I mean, the Ferengi definitely have some stereotypical Jewish traits, right? Like they're mercantilists, they're traders, they're obsessed with business and money. They're like a, they're like a shylock character out of the middle. ages, right? Like of like, you know, Jews gone wild kind of. It's like a Jew, it is like, it's like an anti-Semitic stereotype, really. They even have big noses. Or did Jane Roddenberry just made the character and we were applying this to the characters? But meaning there's a stereotype.

Gene Roddenberry was a lot of things, but he didn't blunder into things. You know what I mean? He had somebody. Someone had to have pointed it out. Now, as for the Bejourans, I I think there's nothing Jewish about them at all. I don't even see how you see that. I think the pejords are, they're Tibetans. Well, I thought they were Palestinians. That's where I took it. They have attacks on the...

Yeah, but they have that religion. They have that, they have like the Kai. They have like all that... The outfits are very Tibetan, right? Yeah. Oh, Tibet, yeah. But what they're doing comes across more like Israeli's Palestinians. Like, if you think about it,

It's their land. Their land is being occupied. The situation. Yeah, the situation is more like that. But on the other hand, the Tibetans fit too, because they view themselves as under occupation. I think it probably just really just plays more into any time that there's a smaller, weaker power next to a great power. You are going to do what that great power says if you want to remain at least nominally independent. If you buck their reservation, you're done. Just be clear. more complicated than that, though.

Bajorn and Cardassians have a similar heritage. Like, meaning, it's... Well, so do the Israelis and Palestinians, right? Exactly. That's what I mean when I'm saying. Like, it's, it's, if I'm not mistaken, it's hinted in the show that there's cross-pollination

between these groups that went before. Meaning, Cardassia hid that Bajorans had already been on Cardassia a long time ago. They hit that shit. They found, like, It's Cisco being... Yeah, we don't want to give too much a way to

to Robbie. Presumably, he's not in season five, I imagine. No, I'm at like four episodes in to season one. But that does come... What we're talking about comes to light, and it becomes a big deal in the last season. Yeah.

I mean, I definitely see the resentment, you know, this whole place is occupied. It's strategically important because they have the wormhole. The Federation comes in. So it's very, NATO, Ukraine against the big, bad Russians. It's any other kind of buffer state.

Here's how this is going to be. It's strategically important. Like nothing personal. We're just taking over. But as far as the Frankie goes, I will go boldly where you dare you not tread. They are 100%. They are space Jews.

Where no man has ever gone before. They are space Jews. Yes, it is true. And I think the Majoreans are space Tibetans too. Come on, the religion. I don't know enough about it to, make that. The outfits, the clothes, the jewelry.

Well, you can say the occupation thing. But Palestinians have a religion. Palestinians have a problem. Yeah, they have a religion, but it doesn't look like that. But does it have to, exactly? I mean, if you think about it, the only thing that don't work is the outfits. Well, I mean, and the religion is different, too. But they're not Buddhists.

I'm saying the only thing that doesn't fit for the Palestinians standpoint are the outfits well so many many according to the internet apparently Bejoreans and Tibetans were this when the show came out that was basically what people thought now people think that they were it's Israel Palestine but of course the show the show is from the 90s right so yeah it is interesting okay all right All right. Yeah, I think I'm with, I'm on Team Robbie here. They're space Jews. Okay. Blake, it's Frisky Friday and $5 closer to take off Bitty Old Ted Tuesday. Let's go. Yeah, I think we're at like $4,97 to go. Keep it coming. Keep it coming. I would show you much. You get there like two years of this rate.

Two years. You get here in 300 years. I have exposed my ass on Instagram, literally. Really? Yeah, that picture is on just my ass. Oh, my God. I think I was in a spa. I was, like, slapping my ass after the fact, like, yeah.

Because, you know, when you go to the bars, like, depending upon where you are, like, around the world, it's nude spots. And they would give you, like, this little G-string-type thing, your ass is your head and everything else. And it was, like, I like to walk through what my ass on. I like, walk through the hospital. with my ass on. I think it's funny sticking the world. I always think it's funny at the hospital when you have like your ass sticking out of the stupid frog. I love walking through the hospital like that. Just I used to be completely mortified, but one of the things about getting older is I'm shameless. Yeah, it's free.

Okay, so we have a request for Tad Starmor and George Sackerechleotis. Tad Stormer. I don't know who that is. I don't know who that is. I'll look them up. The other one's got a long Greek name. I don't know. Interview Candice about French politics. F. U.S.o. I would love to watch that. Do you think Candace will come on? Well, I mean, I don't know if I'm asking you like, you know, like, hey, you think so? It's like, who, like, how do you fuck down the Candace? You know what? I'm going to reach out to all of these people and see what happens,

unless I find out one of them is a Nazi or something. Candace always would be fascinating. She'd be great. Trash Panda, thanks for the four, for the five bucks. You have to break a few eggs to make an omelet. We will never get changed with pacifism. True. That is true. That is true. Yeah, they don't care. Okay. Farage is question, is Zionism the worst and most harmful ideology to infect the globe, or have there been worse ones? Shout out to Robbie. Of course there's been worst ones.

I mean, Zionism has only, quote unquote, only killed several hundred thousand people. Right. I mean, maybe half a million people. But, you know, obviously, Nazism, you know, killed, arguably close to 100 million people. Look, capitalism is, in my view, the most dangerous and most lethal ideology to ever infect the world. I mean, it's killing millions and millions of people every single year with poverty and misery. It's the root cause of most wars. Capitalism is a, is a, is a, fucking disease. It's a scourge. It's insidious. Yeah. And the reason I said it's insidious is like people can make the argument that, hey, if you keep it in bounds, it works. And I think China would say, well, this is a tiger

that you need to ride in order to get some level of economic productivity because you need a way in order to get people to do things that people will do things. Well, they have an authoritarian government that allows them to control things carefully. Exactly. They can chop off hits if they need to chop off hits. If you can go too far. But if you let the shit go by itself. And people talk about like school boy capital. It's incompatible with liberalism. I mean, capitalism is incompatible with democracy. I mean, yes, true. True. Like, but people make the argument about school boy capitalism. And it's like, but that boy grows up. Like, you like, meaning, you can't make this idea of we're just going to

keep this in bounds. Nonsense. The entire premise of it works to break out of bounds. Like, meaning, your incentive is how do I make more cash? And in the beginning, Okay, I have a little school shop. We're selling pencils. Okay, maybe we're expanding something else. Okay, now we have 20 of these. Now we have a thousand of these around the world. Your mindset changes.

It's not just going to be at a certain point, you're at the river's edge. And it's like, how do we go further from the river's edge? Oh, I know. Let's use some money to buy politicians in order to get more money for so and so. Hey, do we need to go into another country to do this? Yes. Can we make more profit doing that? Yes.

Does it matter that we're invading another country or that we're backing the government to do that? No. My weather app says that Virginia is getting blasted by lightning right now. Is that true? Well, it depends on what part of Virginia. Virginia is huge. It's a big state, yeah, right. Yeah, Virginia's huge.

Yeah. I'm in Richmond. I don't say it in Richmond. Okay. Yeah, it just said Virginia. All right. Like, um. We're getting storms every night, though.

I love them. I love storms too. Because I have a, um, my skylight. I can see the lightning. It's just like when it's freaking out. It's gorgeous. I think that's probably a good place to leave it. Yeah, yeah, I think we got all the questions.

Robbie, are we missing anything here? Oh, by the way, anybody that wants to know medical stuff, you can drop five the books. And I will answer what are doing? People are asking J.T. When me and you are going to do civilization next? Is that what they're asking? They are. They want to see more Robbie and J.T. civilization.

I'm not against it. I mean, look, Robbie, I mean, honestly, the issue is. time. I get it. I am a hamster on the wheel. And it's just like yesterday. I finished yesterday at like seven o'clock. And that was with help, by the way. And that was with somebody like booking your like, yes. And it's me cutting videos and stuff like that. So I'm not using this as a use. I'm using this as a literal issue. I was working until almost midnight last night. Believe me, I get it. I have to find a better way to do this.

And honestly, the issue that's taking place on the show now, that's a wake-up call. I need to do this different. Are you going on your show with a certain guest? Yeah. I mean, it's just a wake-up call in general. Like, I am very independent. And I have, even after the marriage, came to the conclusion that there are times with it is not necessarily in my best interest. And probably if you ask my mom and my family, they would say that's certainly not in my best interest.

That may, it may not be true. It's to my, I would argue it's to my best interests, even though they may be excesses. I see it, though, on the show. Like, there are constraints, and the constraints have gotten that much more so because of the blindness. Like in Azerbaijan and I lost asset. Everything takes more time. I used to do a three-hour show, but in my own,

putting together guests, everything else, and it was consistent. And then when you get back here, it's harder. And I was like, what the fuck? Why this is so hard? Why this is so difficult? It's just down two hours.

It's still difficult. It's the asset thing. So I do need to make changes. And there is a time constraint associated with it that I'm trying to resolve. Let's just make a date for it. And we can do it on any particular date. What about,

Monday. What about Monday? Yeah, Monday after live shows. That'll work. No, no, no. When you say live shows, what do you mean? You mean last shows for the program? Yeah, because we have the Q&A. Right, the Q&A is a 12. I have another one. All right, so the Q&A is going to be at 12. I'm most likely going to have another interview either.

Okay, I'm definitely going to have another interview beyond my show on that day. So what do we say? Yeah, just call me 3 o'clock, 4 o'clock. That's fine. Seriously. Listen, I'm the most easy going, right-winger you're ever going to be in your life.

You let me know what works for you. I'll make it work. It's not a problem. What time do you typically do your channel? Usually on Mondays, I don't because I'm just doing our production work for a really to your term. So, right now, it's Tuesdays and

Thursdays, but depending on how Rumble creator program works, I may just end up, and this will come as a shock, I may end up just abandoning Rumble and just going straight to YouTube. What? Well, because, I mean, with, it just comes down to math, right? Because if the Rumble Crater program pays less than $200 a month, which is a joke for the amount of work that you have to put into it, it doesn't make any sense to do it, in which case I would go to YouTube and I hate YouTube with a passion is you,

well know, but YouTube pays better. So they effectively have newped many channels. Oh yeah. With the changes. Yes. And I sent them an email. So how do people make money on Rumble? It's just an issue of views and watch out. Right now nobody knows. And because like right now what I want to do with Rumble is that I have four more

unique chatters I need to get before the first. Once that happens, I'm going to just do like a controlled experiment. See the people who normally watch over on Rumble. I'm trying to be able to watch over. By the way, raid over from here to your show right now. It's not even up right now. I've got some production work I've got to do. But to answer your question, yes, I could.

But the thing is, it's Rumble's making it harder, especially for gaming channels, to get any traction at all. And so I'm going to do just like the controlled experiment. And so just people watching over a

playlist and just watching on Rumble, do something on YouTube, and then see what the ad revenue looks like versus the creator program since they've cut the the creator program so much so to answer your question i don't know which one pays better right now that's what i've do the do the experiment and one last question if you're not using rumble studio can you make money on rumble no pretty much no so you kind of put it this way so on ad revenue in july this is in some inside baseball so July, I had just under 5,000 watch hours on Rumble on the gaming channel.

So the way that the creator program was before that happened, that would have been like a $3,000 paycheck. Yeah. Easily. Which would have solved like all my problems. I made $240. What? Which is insane. Oh, that's happened to this show.

This show, this show that you're watching right now, D-Program, took a 70% pay cut when rumble made the change that they've made so never is rumble like recalibrating now or i don't know about i've sent you a copy of the email that i sent them letting them letting them know and no uncertain terms yeah it's just though uh i have brought uh shows over to rumble i brought craters over into people i mean that's some shit to do like talk about betrayal they over just in one month yeah i mean because youtube did it once i don't know if you remember this, they used to have YouTube at ad apocalypse. This was seven, eight years ago. That happened after Trump got elected. That got like 90% nude. I mean, because what they did was they said,

oh my God, YouTube is Nazis. Now, they did this because YouTube was taking a lot of the commercials from actual TV and TV got pissed off that they were doing that. And so they effectively was doing articles going after YouTube saying YouTube had Nazis and everything else. Jimmy Doar was included in that list. And what YouTube did was says, okay, anybody that has religious significance, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, and there were multiple things. And so if you had a channel like secular talk, they said what secular means religion had nothing to do with religion. They knew the channel. They took like 90% of his ad revenue and just knew the channel.

Over on YouTube, because on YouTube, I was Putin bot gaming. Like no Putin bot, no, making fun of, no, of Russia Gate. Now that I'm making the pivot back to YouTube, I had to change my channel's name or I would have been demonetized. Nocled under Robbie. So now, because I'm obviously a Nazi, I had to change from Putin bot over to West Glacier Gaming. So on YouTube, if you do a search for West Glacier Gaming, it's me, I pop up. And I still have the Putin bot no imagery I was still there, which YouTube is fine with. But I'd have to change the channel name because my channel was not suitable.

for for uh for advertisers i hate channel puttun is i hate i hate youtube with a passion but rumble is literally pushing me into the arms of their biggest competitor because of this crap that they're doing yeah and it is insane like do they realize the people make a living off the ship they look at whatever you want they don't care but the thing is they're going to care if they lose

if a lot if a lot of people leave and they're leave and then they don't have enough content, then they'll be. They become unviable because people are trying to make, meaning you need a stable environment to create a living. Right. And the thing is, look, it's kind of like a book publisher. Like, you can't just, you know, sell Tom Clancy and Stephen King books. I mean, you have to have a downlist.

You have to. You have to have books that sell 10,000 or 1,000 or 100 copies. You do. Otherwise, you know, you've got, like, you basically don't really have a viable publishing. firm yeah i mean can put this over again this is inside baseball people may care but they may not so i'm about rumble now for almost four years and my all-time views is one million 74 000 views which is insane that's that's true it is i mean i outperform a lot of a lot of the uh a lot of the a lot of the bigger people.

And when I was going through doing the math, I was up until almost 1 o'clock because I got to figure out how to make the math work. Because starting next month, I'm not taking a salary from the show. There simply is not enough there. So whatever I make either off of Rumble or YouTube is going to be what's going to cover this.

Splitting the audience does not make any sense because then neither platform will pay enough to make up at least even come close to half what is I'm giving up here. By the way, Bobby, we need to to stream some Rumble premium exclusives from this show. I'm looking at our metrics. Yeah, I'm going to put together as a super cut, make it happen.

I'm going to do the same thing with TMI. Okay. So, I mean, that'll, I'm already way ahead there, so you're fine. What's the super? I just put together a bunch of episodes, like a best of, of reruns. Maybe me and you, having our day off for the other day. That would be awesome. No needs, though, honestly, is subscribers.

whether you do it on Rumble or YouTube or on Patreon. Yeah. I mean, if we have enough, if we had like, honestly, if we had 100 subscribers, I think we'd be fine. Or actually, I should say, if we have like 300. Yeah, I mean, my goal for Putin by gaming next month is to get 20 subscribers over on YouTube. I make that happen, then I'm whole. Yeah.

Well, so happens. Yeah. So if you like what you do, please think about subscribing. And if you want to support Robbie, please think of subscribing to him. All right, guys, we got to go. Yep, y'all have a good one. All right, have a great weekend. See you.

Probably I end up talking over the weekend. But otherwise, I'll see you Monday morning at 9 a.m. Bye, everyone. Have a great weekend. Bye, guys. Ciao.