DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall - Will Romania Join the Far Right? | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

Episode Date: October 1, 2026

Conflict reporter/writer/cartoonist Ted Rall and political analyst Jamarl Thomas deprogram you from mainstream media every weekday at 9 AM ET.Today we discuss:• Crisis in Romania: After the PSD Socialists joined with the right-wing AUR to bring down Liberal Prime Minister Ilie Bolojan’s coalition, in protest at austerity, Bucharest parliamentarians turned down independent moderate President Nicușor Dan’s candidate MEP Mureșan and now PM Siegfried Mureșan’s attempt to form a government. A snap election would likely benefit the Alliance for the Union of Romanians (AUR) party.• Tortured by Tennessee: A woman convicted of murder survived two doses of lethal injection last night before state officials gave up and had her taken to a hospital. It was the second botched execution in the state this year. The horrifying fiasco came after dueling court rulings delayed the execution of the woman, Christa Pike, by nine hours.• SkyNet: The Pentagon is creating a new Autonomous Warfare Command to oversee the military’s push into autonomous warfare.• Resistance: The FBI is charging a Michigan nurse, Chloe Renae Freeman, 33, accused of illegally helping an undocumented immigrant, who was being treated in a hospital, escape from immigration officials. She faces 1 year in prison and $100,000 fine.00:00 Show Open and October Rundown 02:50 Romania's Snap Election and AUR 12:25 The Flydubai Story and Netanyahu's Narrative 26:00 Flight 93 May Have Been Shot Down 34:28 Christa Pike and Tennessee's Botched Execution 49:21 Hegseth's Autonomous Warfare Command 54:23 Chloe Freeman Lets ICE Detainee EscapeMERCHANDISE: DeProgram.MySpreadShop.comLIVE ON YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/@DeProgramShowLIVE ON RUMBLE: https://rumble.com/c/DeProgramShowhttps://x.com/tedrallhttps://x.com/JamarlThomas#tedrall #jamarlthomas #news #politics

Good morning. It's already the first day of October, 2026. This is D-Program with Ted Roll and Jamarle Thomas. Thanks for joining us. We're here for the normal one-hour show today. We go until 10 o'clock. TMI coming up at 10. Thanks for joining us. Good morning. Jamar. How are you doing? Good morning. Doing okay. All right. Cool. All right. Let's do the rundown and we'll get to it. Crisis in Romania. It looks like the centrist's running. the government right now are not going to be able to form a government coalition in order to appoint a prime minister. It looks like a snap election is going to be called. Very likely that the A-U-R, which is the alliance for the union of Romanians, a so-called far-right party, is likely to prevail there. So we'll talk about the political implications there. A ridiculously insane, horrific fiasco in the state of Tennessee prison system where Krista Pike was scheduled to be executed after a nine-hour delay caused by court hearings. They went after her not once but twice with so-called lethal

injections. Both of them failed. She's alive right now at the hospital. So they're trying to save her life after they incompetently tried to kill her. It's a total netherly. It's a total nightmare. Skynet appears to be official now. If the autonomous warfare command is being created by our very totally straight Secretary of Defense, Pete Hankseth. And last but not least, the FBI is charging a hospital nurse in the state of Michigan. Her name is Chloe Freeman with helping a ICE detainee to escape custody and flee off into the mean streets of Michigan. Okay, so where shall we? Oh, please like, follow and share the show.

If you have any comments or questions, go ahead and put them in the live chat. Producer Robbie West. We'll go ahead and put those in. And we're looking forward to hearing from you about anything and everything that you're thinking about. Okay. So am I missing anything? I think that's about it for now. Yeah.

All right, shall we? What do you want to talk about first? Oh, geez. I guess we can do the Romanian elections. You know, Colin Gugetscu was supposed to be the prime minister or the president of Romania at this point. And the European Union effectively worked with the Romanian, let's say, deep state in order to get rid of him. And I don't like using a term deep state because oftentimes there's a politicization. to it. There's a kind of esoteric quality to it. But I mean this in the truest sense of people that were aligned with opposition parties did everything in their power to avoid and get rid of the will of the actual Romanian population that was going to vote him into office. He was on the

second election. He was about to win that second election. And all of a sudden, the election gets scuttled. And he gets arrested. Like stuff like this, right? It was going on with obviously it was the European Union that was putting pressure on the Romanian government in this case because they wanted their military base to be built. Gorgatscu was not necessarily on board for that military base to be built, in which case this would have been a hedge to NATO's aspirations in Romania. Hence, you get a rando that they end up putting in after Gorgasco gets removed. So, yeah, I'm not shocked that the Romanian population is not necessarily on board for it or that they're having difficulty forming the government after this corrupt cabal comes into office.

So that is what happened. Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah. So. All right. Winning it. Yeah, they're going to win it. Okay.

So two questions. I mean, obviously we know, well, one's an observation, wants a question. So austerity, obviously, is always unpopular wherever and whenever it's tried. And yet, you know, the ruling elites just can't help themselves because they think, we have too many nice things. But what about the, what about the Russia-Ukraine aspect of this? I mean, Romania is in Eastern Europe. It was formerly part of the Warsaw Pact. And, you know, Russia is, there's a lot of people who still have lots of warm fuzzies for Russia. You know, and so the, where does, you know, where does the tug of war between the EU and Russia? How does that play out here?

It seems like the AUR coming to power would be good news for Russia, right? I mean, I think they're just pro-Romanian, which there's a difference, right? Like, one thing. It's not that they don't think we have too many nice things. They just want more, and they just want to maintain the more that they have, if that makes sense. Meaning, there's a finite amount of resources they need to take from you in order for them themselves have. And vice versa, if you want to give them. more to the population itself than the rich are going to get less because more money, less money

is going to those things. In the case of this, yeah, I don't think they're pro-Russian. I think they're just pro-Romanian. Like, meaning you may get a German party, for example, in Germany that says, yeah, we want our health care. We believe it's in the best interests of people to have a free education. We believe it's in the best interest of people to have so-and-so. And so, no, we don't want to have these stupid wars. We want to ensure that we're the Romanians have what's best for Romania, meaning that's a nationalistic position, which is less pro-Russian. It's just what is in Romania's best interests and war in Ukraine. It's not in Romania's best interest. It's just kind of that, like, meaning Romania doesn't need

to be a front line against the Russians. It's not Romania's not to be fed to the Russians. I mean, it's, it is one, you know, it's kind of analogous to after 9-11, New York City, which was hit the hardest, was the least supportive. of George W. Bush and his global war on terror of any state in the country, right? And similarly, Eastern Europe, with the exception of Poland, is far less, quote, unquote, afraid of the big, bad Russians than Western Europe, like France, where really they have nothing to fear, even if, you know, Russia was exactly what they claimed it was. It's they would have the least to fear, and yet they're the biggest fearmongers. Yeah, but it's France. France got taken over in a few days.

That's World War. Yeah, it's wild. I mean, but the same thing is... It was in fairness. It was six weeks, but okay. Okay, fair enough. Fair enough, fair enough. I'm being hyperbolic.

Yeah, the last longer the Denmark was like six hours. Yeah, it was like, it was quick. The German... I surrender. I surrender. I mean, and the other thing about the French is they had ten. terrible generals right i mean that there wasn't a lack of fighting a spree among the people at least among the soldiers at first anyway but you know they had a they had uh it was just a fiasco they

they planned very very poorly yeah yeah and well they thought they planned very good i mean with the maginot online and all well you know people think them forget that the maginot line actually worked right i mean the germans the german military went around it they just didn't it's this was a If it had been extended across the Belgian border, that would have been a different thing and would have been tested differently. But the Germans didn't fuck with the Maginot line. No, they just went around it. No, you're right. You're right.

I mean, I forget the name of the past that they went through, but yeah, they just went around it. No, look, I think, I mean, it's kind of like immigration. Like, you would get people who are in states that are nowhere near the Mexican border who would be complained by immigration and who are basically autonomous, like meaning they basically are. Like one group, you know, it's like Iowa might be 99% white or something like that. And you still get people complaining about immigration. I think it's something's very similar. It's this, I mean, not to mention France, Europe have gone to war with Russia so many times, like over and over and over. And they just keep doing this.

And so this is kind of just old hand for France and the UK and all of these states. I mean, keep in mind, would Napoleon went into Russia? Yeah, it was Russia at the time. only went into Russia. Like, this stuff has been going off hundreds and hundreds of years, and they just keep repeating this history over and over and over again. I would imagine if you're Romania, you don't want to die for the Europeans or the Americans, which is a rational position.

Yeah, the Romanians are just on a, you know, and the traditional invasion route, like Belgium. Like, nothing personal. Just passing through. Yep, just passing through. Sorry but your sovereignty. Sorry, but the sovereignty. So yeah, I would imagine that you're not on board for dying for the Europeans and for the Americans. Yeah, good for them.

No doubt about it. Okay, we've got a few comments here. We should get to. Jackson, Yotad, J.T. Robbie, if the, let's see, if the caliphate and or sultanate was reinstalled, would the world, in your opinion, sorry, there's some misspellings here, be better? as Jews were protected by Khalif Umar in Palestine and Saladin al-Aubi as well. Okay. I don't know if the world would be better, but I mean, it is true.

Like, as Ben Moser explained, author of anti-Zionism and Jewish history, explained here on the program last week on Tuesday, you know, it's true that like Jews lived in peace in the Arab world, not just in the Ottoman Empire, but throughout the Arab world for hundreds and hundreds of years. And, you know, one episode that we didn't really get into a lot into detail with Moser, but even as late as the 1940s, there were over 100,000 Jews living in Baghdad, right, which was then part of the, you know, post-Ottoman empire. Iraq. And they would still be there today, if not for covert Mossad agents who went and set off

bombs and synagogues and Jewish businesses to make them think that they were being driven out by the local inhabitants and to terrorize them into fleeing because the new Jewish state of Israel was just wanted population numbers. They wanted Jews. They didn't plan to treat the Iraqi Jews as well. they called them the Arab Jews. They just wanted them there as a form of demographic warfare against the Palestinians. And, I mean, that kind of thing happened all over the Arab world. I mean, if the state of Israel had never existed after World War II, I mean, it's not like Jews were going to be massacred all over in all these Muslim countries.

Nothing would have happened. Life would have gone on, right? Well, and the massacre didn't take place in a Muslim country. It took place in Germany. Christian country. Well, exactly, right. I mean, so it's like, yeah, it's like you get there's, it's, it's, I mean, it's, it's just all based on lies. Another, let's see, under and low, I was in there in lower Manhattan to see the first and second tower get hit and fall. Okay. Okay. A lot of people were, I did not see, I was in New Jersey when this all went down, but I made it back by four or five in the afternoon. Okay. So, Oh, I guess we should just, you know, we've now had a little time to digest the news of the fly Dubai incident, right? So the official story that's been basically carefully massaged by Benjamin Netanyahu and the Israelis is that there was a passenger revolt. It reminds, you know, shades of United 93.

And that so the official story is, so this part of the story does seem to be true. that the co-pilot stabbed the Indian pilot, right? The co-pilot was Omani. He, I mean, obviously someone stabbed him, and it was probably him, right? The plane at this point, a struggle ensues. The plane loses, which, by the way, it kind of surprises me. I guess they were not on autopilot at this point. Did he have a knife on the flight?

Right, that's a good question, right? They obviously didn't search him on the way in. It didn't go off. he the plane loses goes from 34 to 17,000 feet in a matter of you know seconds right so having been on a plane that lost not that much altitude in a matter of seconds let me just tell you that is I it's a big jostle there's some there's some there's it's terrifying there's you can hear on one of the cell phone videos that I saw you can hear the it's like a movie you can hear the plane you can hear the plane, the engine's whirring, and you can hear almost the metal fatigue, like groaning, right?

And people are screaming. It's terrible. There's a, you know, a steep pitch. Anyway, these people probably thought they were going to die. So then here's where the story becomes, let's just say, a story. And maybe it's true, maybe it's not true. But the story is that the passengers then broke down, they recovered from the fall and their disorientation. made some of the big bruiser Israelis made their way into the cockpit, overcame the assailant and detained him. And then the story changes between either the heroic Indian pilot successfully, despite his wounds, successfully lands the plane,

or a Russian and a Ukrainian pilot who happened to be aboard decide to put their national differences aside and say, attention, ladies and gentlemen, are there two pilots on board by any chance? And they landed the plane in a total kumbaya, Zelenskyi hangs out with Putin moment. And then, you know, they land the plane and that's it. And there's so many, like, I mean, you know, look, when that Njahu speaks, you always have to assume lies are happening. It just comes line. There's a video of one of the passengers with a bloodstained T-shirt meeting.

Netanyahu and he said, oh, I kept asking for my luggage. Otherwise, I would, so I could change my t-shirt and then Yahoo goes, come here, big guy, it's okay. And the thing is, I'm like, it's an airport. They don't sell t-shirts at the gift shop. You know, the guy's wearing a t-shirt. Anyway, the point is maybe this is all exactly being presented as, you know, as, but it just seems like a perfect narrative for these, you know, bold Israelis,

fighting Arab jihadis, breaking down the door, despite the fact that the cockpit doors are supposed to be reinforced with steel doors ever since through the last quarter century. I don't know. I don't know what to think here. I guess I'm in just like wait and see mode, and we'll see what more comes out. But I'm not taking this at face value. Yeah, I don't think anything about it one way or any other, if I'm being honest with you. Could it be true? sure all sorts of things can be true that could be a ham sandwich on the moon um is it true

I have no idea I mean like it could be like there are a few things that are very dodgy with us so A how did they get the knife on board B how did they break the cockpit door down when that door was supposed to be reinforced how how did they move so quickly

after this big plump drop in altitude well that too I mean like So there was a dropping altitude of 17,000 feet. And we're supposed to believe that the people have presence of mind to raid the cockpit, break the door down, arrest the guy that was violent, apparently find two pilots that were on the plane to get into the cockpit. And as you point out, in Kuba Yard moment, land the plane. Is it possible? Sure. I suppose it's possible. Do I buy it at face value? No. And of course, what's always lost here is the political. motive, right? I mean, like, if true,

the political motive obviously would be revenge for Gaza and an attack on Israel. Then he was a flamboyant liar, so I don't believe anything that comes out of his mind. Oh, yeah. He makes Trump look honest. Yeah. Okay, here we go. A few more comments, and we'll

switch over to maybe Tennessee or something. Zacharia, how has extending shows to two hours on select days going on your guys end? Has it boosted the numbers? Hope the show is recovering financially. Also excited to see how any subscribers videos will come. Well, so Robbie's probably in a better position to answer the question about how the numbers are. But, I mean, they definitely look better to me.

You know, I feel like we're recovering. And I think it turned out to be a great idea. Thanks, Jamaral, for that idea. Well, it's, I mean, if you're running a show that's an hour, and let's say you bring on 300 people that are watching, the moment that you stop, those 300 people go away. Right? They're doing something else.

Because they're trickling in. Yeah, they're just saying. I mean, even if they, even if it's not like you're not really doing anything, oftentimes you just get a momentum of people just staying. You just get higher numbers. Plus, as you listen to us, you can't possibly break away. Where it's just too interesting. That too.

Especially Robbie. No, I can't. It's a love-hate relationship with me. There's some people just hate my guts. the Hage watch or people like, you know, maybe this guy's got a point. There's almost no middle ground. No, the numbers are definitely going in the right way. They're trickling up.

The membership numbers are going up. I mean, I've even seen bleed over over on the gaming channel, which I appreciate because that's how I pay my bills now. And somebody that, seriously, it helps a ton. No, I mean, it's going the right way. And we're starting to get noticed. I guess I let this cut out of the bag. later on this month, I don't have a day yet, but Jeff Dornick is going to be having a debate between your favorite communist, Ted Rall and Dinesh D'Souza.

The rabid Republican arch-Zionist. And Ted, I hope that you eat his liver live on screen. That crackpot. Yes. A friend of the show, Jeff Dornick is going to have that on. Ted, you either down your shield or come back with it oh oh i i i'm i let me put it this way i will be fully caffeinated fully prepared yeah never never underestimate your enemy no we've uh the merch selection is growing as y'all can see it's all going in the right direction things are things are going good the numbers are going well and um but seriously the biggest thing that y'all can do y'all be in the audience to help the show grow is share the content.

It costs you absolutely nothing. And that's one of the biggest metrics of YouTube. Actually, don't forget to subscribe, too. Yeah, sure. But if you're looking at- If you become a monthly supporter, it's like all the difference in the world because that's just sort of a, you know,

I mean, look, if everybody, you know, kicks in five or ten bucks a month, I mean, you know, the show is fine. Then, you know, we can do big things. We can, you know, pay our own bills, which is a big thing. But, you know, the show will be guaranteed to go forward. It's not going to be just hanging on by a thread.

Yeah, for sure. I mean, share it. We can do, we could, you know, we could, we could have events. We could do all sorts of shit. What's the thing? I'm curious. You piqued my curiosity. Well, what?

So the debate is, it's going to be geopolitics. So I said, Ted is an atheist. I said, if you want to, if you want to do Christian versus, you know, Christian Zionism versus, you know, real Christianity, I'm the better. guy for that to go after denouche right i said for geopolitics ted rawl because ted roll has traveled the travel to region he covers the stuff yeah yeah well it's his life and the best part is that ted isn't bought and paid for by a lobby they're not the ones who are financing his books and more importantly ted brings these things called facts and all denesh can do is bloviate and filibuster the dude's a total as a total douchebag if there's ever been an example of a failed abortion every

on a live stream. It's good as to Susa. This is clubbing a baby seal, and that's when I'm looking forward to it. This is why because... I don't underestimate my enemy. I think on Tuesday, because I was talking with Jeff, he's like, Robbie, do you mind if I interviewed you?

Because he watched, he watches our show. And he's just like, it's like, sure. I felt like I was cheating on y'all. And by the way, who's Jeff doing it? Just one more time? I have a horror. He is the CEO of Pickax. He was a CEO of Pickax.

He's a big member of the Republican Party. He actually got expelled. He's been kicked out of the club. Well, he's very critical of Trump for, you know, his failure to adhere to America First principles. Yeah, for sure. I mean, he has a, I read his critiques every day on X and, you know, he's spot on. Jeff Dornick is awesome. If I was articulate, I would be like a Jeff Doran.

The problem is I'm not that polished. Jeff, Jeff Smooth. And he looks like Alexander Scarsgard, which is, you know, makes me jealous. Okay, here we go. A few more comments than we'll move on to some more topics. Manchild, it's interesting that Muslims have a history of respecting and protecting the Jewish faith and culture, whereas the Israel, Jews just want to wipe Muslims off the face of the map, no questions. Well, I think it's different

in that, like, okay, so the Muslim conquest took place, you know, basically 1400 years ago, right? So, I mean, that part, you know, look, you can look at the map of where Islam is dominant. It's massive. It's a huge swath of the world. So they don't have that insecurity. I mean, you know, the Israel, the Israelis basically swept in and muscled their way into this tiny little patch of territory, that they're not where they're not wanted and don't really have any real legitimacy. And they know they did it by force and that everybody there hates them. I mean, I think the, you know, the Muslim world dominates an area that has so many religions, not just Islam, right, that it behooved them for peace and quiet to sort of have a tolerant, you know, policy

towards other religions. And not to mention for, as for, you know, historical. Historically, Jews were often the dominant traders and financiers and brokers along the Silk Road, where Islam was dominant. And, you know, they were important part of the economy, right? So you're not going to get rid of the people who are, you know, issuing bills of sale and stuff all along the way and running the bazaars and stuff. So historically, there's a lot to do it. Well, historically also, this is going to be controversial. It shouldn't be. It's a matter of historical fact, the Jews in Middle Ages were natural allies of Muslims because both Judaism and Islam teaches that Christianity as idolatry.

It's a heretic religion. And the whole reason the first crusade happened, it was because the Muslims kept going into Anatolia, they captured the Greek islands, they captured Crete, captured Sicily, they sacked Rome and nearly conquered France and Iberia. and that was all financed by Jewish trade and financiers. Christian Zionists like to look away from this. Oh, well, they try to whitewash it. But that is true. I mean, even if there was also an alliance of convenience economically, right? Oh, for sure.

Because like compound interest is Haram in Islam, but Jews don't have that problem. So you kind of need compound hinders. So it's kind of like, we'll do this together. Yeah, but if you're going to be an empire, you've got to have money. No, even in 1453. Who was it that bought the cannons that the Turks used to bring down Constantinople's walls? It was Jewish bankers. That's considered anti-Semitic.

I don't know why. It's historical fact. I mean, Constantinople would have fallen anyway, but like. That was the last year of Butcher's bill. It was the equivalent of the of Hiroshima in terms of closing the deal. Okay, so let's move on here. Dusk burn. Ted doesn't believe in the flight 93.

Let's roll scenario, right? Are we being too cynical here? Let's roll scenario. That's like Todd Beamer on United Flight 93 with the drink card of death saying, you know, basically, allegedly they broke into the cockpit on United 93 on 9-11 and then caused the plane to crash in Shanksville, Pennsylvania. I think there may have been a passenger. Look, there certainly was talk of there being a passenger revolt. That almost certainly is true.

Whether it actually happened, who knows, whether it was successful at gaining access into the cockpit, who knows, whether that's what caused the plane to come down, who knows. I don't believe that it caused the plane to come down for the simple reason that the plane went nose first into the ground who just left a crater, and yet an engine part was found 12 miles away and a bunch of seats and papers and stuff from the flight were found miles away from the crash site,

which indicates to me that it was shot down by a missile. And if you read the 9-11 commission report, the timeline is like, well, we have X number of minutes to intercepting the plane, right? That, you know, Cheney gave the shootdown order. Well, the plane comes down after that number of minutes. So to me, that's just arithmetic. Like, so there's no word in the report that like the pilots of the U.S. National Air National Guard flights that were sent dispatched to shoot down that plane had trouble locating it, couldn't find it.

You know, there's there's no talk about that. So given all those facts, yeah, I don't believe it. Well, that's also an incident for them not to say that we shot down on one of our own planes. Right. They really thought it was going to ruin, you know, that no one was going to want to fly anymore, right? They were worried about that. It was going to destroy business. Well, it looks back.

I mean, like, let's say that the U.S. military had to shoot down one of its own airliners, as opposed to the people and the passengers in the plane, heroically takes down the plane in order to prevent it from hitting its destination. I mean, again, I don't even know if they could break through the doors. The entire point of the door. I don't know that either. And in my view, I mean, in my view, those, I mean, it's always funny in the movies, doors are always easy to break down.

But if you've ever tried to do it, it's not that easy. especially in the middle of a chaotic situation. Yeah, I just don't, I just don't really believe. I personally, if I was on that hijacked plane, I don't say this cavalierly, I would have no problem with the government shooting down the plane. I would say, like, that's what, I think it's probably the only thing

that the Bush administration did well that day. Well, that's all they could do. I mean, that is literally all they could do. They had no power over the plane at the point when the plane was taken over. And again, I don't know if people are that heroic. Like, I don't know if people will rise up because they, like, meaning they have a clear understanding of what's happening and they rise up. And I would imagine that the terrorist.

Well, they had some understanding because of they've been talking on the phone to their relatives. They knew about the World Trade Center. Oh, I see. I see. But it's still a tall order for me to believe that they rose up and tried to break down the door in order to take over the flight and do what? they believe that they're going to land. How are you going to land it, right? Is this going to be one of those things like, you know, you're, you is sent with Sandra Bullock on the flight and, you know, Keanu Reeves was going to explain how to, how to, how to bring the plane in for a landing? I mean, because what, where were the pilots? Were the pilots dead at that point?

Pilots were, yeah. Well, yeah, the pilots had been, had had their throat slit. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So yeah, they would have had to somehow land a plane. Yeah, I don't know. I, I think I'm on team Ted on this. It just doesn't really, it just doesn't make sense. I don't want to not, I don't want to hate the story. I just don't, I just don't think cold-bloodedly. I just don't think it's true. Well, every incident in the world is for the U.S. to not own up to the fact he shot there on an airplane. It looks better to say this heroic, you know, people, these heroic Americans, like any random American, any random moment would be heroic. Right. Sacrifice their lives for the larger objective of so and so. That story sounds great. But it may just be. Well, we shot down

our plane because we didn't want that plane to hit. And frankly, again, I have no problem with that at all. But, uh, okay. Yeah, but see, they don't like the story. I think they just don't like that story. Yeah, the airlines didn't like that story either. Um, Farhage morning all, tomorrow, no show this morning? No, I wasn't feeling well this morning. I have a show tomorrow, though. Okay, good. Exile. If you don't see the Luciferian militant river running through history, you don't have the perspective to understand the definitions properly. I like the word Luciferian. Luciferian is a great word. Godspeed, Ted, thanks for the $10. Dead Mean Club. Also, side note, have you seen David Grush talk about the grays and reptilians fighting the U.S., killing reptilians after being attacked? Do you all believe in aliens?

Oh, fuck. We now move to the, we moved to the Jamal Thomas section. Rush said that? I didn't know Gras said that. Yeah, I got to look that up. I didn't know Grush said that. I mean, usually what the U.S. military has been doing is, hey, there's something there, but we're not going to explain what it is. And the reality of it is, what's, what you see as a craft is less interesting than what's in the craft.

At least to me, it was always, right? It's like something built that craft. How did that craft get here? Where's the craft located? Many times what we're seeing are these kind of small craft. Okay, well, how did they get here? That type of stuff. I did not know Grush went that far into it. That would be very interesting to hear. I mean, I would got to be honest with you. I would prefer him not doing that. Even if it's true, I would prefer him not doing that. It's too much. Like it's- Nothing about this. Nothing. So, okay, David Gresh is a whistleblower. David Greshworths for the U.S. military. And he came out and basically exposed.

And by the way, legitimately did so. Not like 20 years ago, like a year or two ago. And his credentials were on point. Everything checked out. So he is who he say he is. But Gresh is saying, look, I was working. for the military picking up crashed retrievals. That was his point.

And he even goes into explaining. And when he wrote the book, a lot of the book, they wouldn't even let them write, like, a lot of the stuff. Because the military, when people write books, the military has to approve the book that is being written. So any book that you've ever read on anything that came out of somebody in the military, they had to get approval for that book. And in Gresh's case, a lot of that stuff wasn't even approved. He had to kind of write around it. No, Gresh is real. I would prefer him not saying that.

A, I don't believe in reptilians. There's that. And my belief, I guess, doesn't really matter. You don't think me was real? I just don't buy reptilians. I mean, I like, I love the show, V. Just saying. Well, you B, nah, I don't buy it.

It's real. No, I don't say it's true. I would believe Stargate is more real than V. I don't think V could be real I've never seen V I want to see it I don't know where I can find it though It's unfortunately it's really hard to find on streaming I had to buy pickup copies on DVD

That's unfortunate There's a lot of shit that's not available on streaming You should be a real friend and burn it for me and send me a copy We'll talk about that I do have a burn I can do that Of course I'm set it live on stream I mean but I never violate any intellectual property laws in the United States for the known numbers.

We would never do that. Actually, though, I'm pretty good. I'm relatively good about that compared to most people. All right, let's talk about... I'm going to look up a brush thing, just for the audience member. I'm going to look it up. All right. Tennessee, this poor lady, don't, not something you normally say about a murderer, but Krista Pike, when she was 18 years old, She and two people, including her boyfriend at the time, murdered basically for fun because she was fucked up. She was mentally ill. She was on drugs. And they lured one of their acquaintances out who she thought was trying to steal her boyfriend out into the woods and murdered her.

The boyfriend carved a pentagram into the body of the murder victim to try. try to make it look like it was like a devil worship thing. It fed into the whole Satan worship hysteria of the 80s and 90s. And anyway, there she's been for 30 years. She was convinced this happened in the 90s. Finally, after years of appeals are expired, they get ready to kill her yesterday morning. And then at the last, well, I guess she's now about 47-ish. She was very young when they caught her.

She was 18. And like by most, according to most legal experts, she would not have been sentenced to death today under similar circumstances. Her, the two people, the thing is they went after her because the two other people involved, including the boyfriend, were under 18. So only she was subject to the death penalty. So they nailed her. And basically she ended, so she paid the highest price. And by all accounts, she has greatly reformed. She's much better, but she did get into an incident where she physically assaulted another inmate behind bars.

So she's spicy, right? But the point is, by all accounts, she's not the same person, but who is between their teens and their 40s? And she, anyway, after the appeals, a federal court said, listen, according to it looks to us, like she probably would not have been sentenced to death if the same law, if the same thing happened today, given her age, her history of sexual and other abuse by her parents and so on, probably she would have gotten life in prison or something else, right? But then the state of Tennessee in a hurry to kill her, appealed to SCOTUS, Supreme Court said, go ahead, kill her.

So she was first told, oh, you're not going to be killed. Then seven hours later, yeah, you are going to be killed. They take her in to give her lethal injection. They inject her once, it doesn't work. They try twice. Still doesn't work. At one point, she's snoring. She's shouting.

She's screaming. Then later, she was snoring, and she woke back away. It was apparently a fucking horror show. So they took her to the hospital where now they're trying to save her life, presumably so they can kill her later. Okay, like she's a one person, you know, argument against the death penalty, right? Like literally, if only Krista Pike had ever lived, I'd be like, the death penalty sucks. And it's, I mean, and it's so fucking ridiculous.

And also, where the fuck is the governor of the state of Tennessee in all of this? All he has to do is pick up a phone and he could put a stop to all, this fucking horror show. And he still hasn't done that, right? I mean, even in ancient Rome, at times they had a rule where if the state took their stab at you and tried to whack off your head and it didn't come off, they let you go. Because it's like, you know, hey, you know, the gods want you to live. This is just, it's outlandish. And honestly, if there were, if the state of Tennessee and the governor had any fucking common decency, they would say, look, we obviously, we obviously. I mean, how hard is it to kill people?

I mean, can't they bring in an Israeli? Just invest a guillotine. I don't understand why we make this stuff so difficult. Because they don't want. She requested the firing squad. Well, I would tell you why they make it difficult because they don't, they're trying to sanitize murder. That's right. That's what they're trying to do.

It's kind of like when you buy your beef, if you had to watch what they did to the cow. Everyone would be a vegan. Yeah. You'd be like, oh, this is, you know. When I was in Afghanistan, I was talking to a cameraman from a major network, and we were filming the scene of absolute horror as the U.S. was bombing this neighborhood, and he kept putting that they were beta max tapes at the time into a bag, a duffel, and I said, are you going to upload those?

And he's like, oh, no, these are just for my personal, for me. I said, what do you mean? This is amazing footage. And he's like, no, no, no. If the American people saw what we do in our wars, they would all be pacifists. That's not allowed at the network. Right. Exactly.

We sanitize murder. That's what we do. And so they keep trying to find ways. It's like, okay, how can we make murder in a way that the public is not going to feel some kind of way about the fact that it's murder? It's okay with a shot. If they're screaming inside, just don't be screaming out loud. Exactly. As Robbie pointed out, guillotine is very straightforward.

firing squad. She requested a firing squad. That usually works. You can get three psychopaths and put them up and say, hey, shoot that person. There's got to be some IDF guys who'd be willing to do this. There plenty of Americans who are willing to do it. I mean, let's be honest, right? Yeah.

There are better ways to murder people. They just are. But instead, what they want to do is, okay, we'll give them a formula, and it'll put them to sleep, and then it'll stop their heart. And this would be sanitized murder and everybody will be good with this because the person just went to sleep.

Sleepy time, bye, bye. She didn't go to sleep. She didn't sound enough. And by the way, this is the second time that the state of Tennessee alone has had a botched murder this year alone. It doesn't have to do with the fact that the company that was making the chemicals for it

stopped giving them the chemicals for it. Yeah, that's a big part of it, right? Yeah. And so they've got to come up with their own mix of chemicals in order to kill people. So we don't have chemists? apparently i mean i mean has has america fallen so far i mean forget about building bridges forget about building roads high speed rail maybe having planes the doors don't fall off midair i mean that

that's complicated but you can't come up with a way of taking somebody out like put in a garage turn a car on and leave well i mean there are ways you can throw off it i mean you know the the emir of bucata in modern day uh Uzbekistan uh would take people up to the top of a minaret and throw them off. Yeah. Well, there you go. You can do that. Yeah. I mean, let's stop sanitizing the murder. That's all. I mean, it's just that. Robbie, what do you think about what do you think should happen to this lady given the system that we actually have? I mean, they tried to kill her multiple times. You have to let her go. That's what I think. I mean, like, I don't you had your, you fucking had your whack at the pinata, like enough. You had it, the whack at it twice. Not to mention, you tortured the shit out of her by, by, by, with all these, like, off and on delays.

and not to mention the seven hours between the, oh, you're going to die this morning. Oh, no, wait. You're saved by the bell. Well, but that's a false of murder. I mean, let's be honest. She did kill somebody, and she did kill somebody. And nobody should about her being mentally ill and all that other stuff.

They took somebody out and they murdered that person. That person doesn't exist. But I'm talking about me. I'm not saying she shouldn't be facing consequences. All I'm saying is that under the system, in the state of ten, as it currently exists. This drives me crazy. This is sort of like the people

who are in prison for crimes that no longer exist. Like, for example, who sold quantities of marijuana, who are still in prison, that today, if they sold those quantities of marijuana, they'd have a storefront, okay? And they might be able to go,

they might have an IPO on the New York Stock Exchange. Right. So, like, it's absolutely ridiculous. Like, she would not be sentenced to death now. Based on that alone, like, basically, whenever the law changes to a more liberal sentence, you should be, it's sort of like when you're shopping for airline tickets and you buy an airplane, you know, pay $400 for a ticket, and then they

dropped the price to $300. You can call the airline and say, hey, listen, that same ticket's 300. I want it for $300. And usually they'll give it to you. Like, that's how it should be. Like you were, you know, you got deaf. Now it would be life. Okay, I want life. I mean, you know, that's what I would get now. I shouldn't be held to this old standard. Well, after them trying to murder her multiple times, yeah, I agree with you. I mean, it looks. And by the way, their brain is going to be, might be a puddle of mush now, right? But it looks so absurd that they're trying to save her life in order to kill her later.

It's insane. It looks dumb. It's all hell. It's dumb. Yeah. To answer your question, where I would come down on this, I would, three things are true at one time. In the case of this woman, I would live up to the family whose daughter that they murdered. that she killed they want her dead then she lost then she goes away then we don't have but that's not our

system but well well our system is is clearly broken and we came to execute somebody so something is something needs to happen here uh now if if if we are going to have a death penalty i don't believe in batman you don't have to uh you ask my opinion i'm just telling you i mean if if we're going to have a death penalty in this country, which I believe we should have, then we need to have a humane way of doing it. I would recommend the guillotine. It's time-truven. The French got something right. The croissots, coffee, and beheadings. Go with what works. It never failed once, as far as I know. Never once. And lastly, the prison system is in desperate need of reform. It needs to be abolished, blown up and have a reboot.

Like all these people who are in jail right now for drug offenses. Why? I don't understand it. No, to your point, Ted, all this stuff has been legalized. This is all a profit margin. It's not about justice. It's not even about legality.

It's about funding a prison complex that makes us money off of people, keeping people in cages for as long as they possibly can for a dollar. That is disgusting. now if you're a rapist if you're a murderer you don't get to in robbie's in robbie's world you don't get to sit on on death row for 30 years or 40 years or to your old and gray well if you're going to have a death penalty it really sort of doesn't serve any purpose but you have to be efficient otherwise there's no deterrent and look once you've let there's no deterrent anyway studies have shown that right i mean if you're in a state of mind where you want to kill someone let's just say let's just say you're like cold blood and you're an assassin you just do it for money or

Or let's just say, you know, you've decided that you're so smart, you're going to get away with that. They're not going to catch you. Or if you're like in a rage and it's a domestic case of domestic violence and you're going to assault, you're going to murder your partner. You're so pissed off and crazed at that point. You're not thinking, oh, but I could end up executed. That would really be bad. I will not do that.

I mean, people just don't think that way. Yeah. But, I mean, is execution just an excuse? Well, it's supposed to be an example. I mean, there's a reason why, after Spartacus's rebellion, when the Romans crucified his army on the Appian way between Capua and Rome, there were no more slave revolts for 600 years. That freaking works.

Like, you know, if you're going to do this, you make it, you make an example. Ted, you go full Afghan style. if you do this if you get away with it fine but if you don't if we catch you this is what's going to happen to you I mean I didn't do a scientific study of all Afghans but I will just say like

Afghans prove that like there's no deterrent I'm not a guy he was like he confided to me like he's like I'm going to be back in two hours I'm like where you going he's like oh I'm going to go fuck this girl I'm like what he's like oh she's the commander she's the wife of a Taliban commander. I'm like, man, I mean, you're taking some serious chances there. I mean, you know, like you will be stoned to death if you're caught, if you're lucky, right?

And if you're not like flayed first. And he's like, yeah, but she sure is hot. Well, Islam is like Christian. It's really, yeah. Well, Islam is like Christian in that case. There's a difference between fornication and adults. If you're caught in fornication, you marry the girl and it is what it is. Adultery is when you sleep with another man's wife.

That's the guilty of that. If she's married, you have a point. If she was saying, it's a human thing. That's just people. Like, look, I will tell you, in my experience, even in Muslim countries, that's all I'm saying. People were just people. Like, it's some religious is an overlay to those people,

but they just behave like people. I get it. I mean, people have, people have urges, and the urge to murder something someone is usually born out of extreme emotions. And people are not thinking rationally by definition when they're in a highly emotional state, right? I mean, we've got two more subjects to talk about. The prison system is that crucifixion. I mean, the prison system is supposed to be that tool of, hey, do you want to get annually raped as a man?

Not really. All right. Then you don't want to go to prison. Don't commit crimes. It's that. And yet. I mean, it's, you know, but it's completely corrupted. It's not about punishment.

It's not, it's not about sitting. message. It's not about keeping the population safe. It is about enriching a certain class of people of the modern day slave trade in the most barbaric way possible by putting people in cages, treating them like animals, and then you wonder why they act like animals. It needs to be at important. It's also entrapment, right? Like anybody who's ever even had any interaction with the criminal justice system or if like, let's say being audited by the government or something, I mean, once they have, once they catch you, it's so hard to get out, right? Like, even if you're innocent, even if, like, you can prove you're innocent.

You know, I mean, you're guilty until proven innocent, despite what the law says. Anyway, Skynet. So Pete Hig Seth, who said that there's going to be repeated, there's no fatties, no beardos, no weirdos, no woke. And he's going to be, in his extremely heterosexual, totally straight, 1 million percent, not gay or trans military, is creating, as he said, with a dollop of extra testosterone, is creating a new autonomous warfare command to oversee, obviously, autonomous warfare. Autonomous warfare are weapons, specifically drones, that choose their own targets. So this is the Black Mirror scenario. It's the Terminator, Skynet scenario. Yeah.

Terrifying. Yeah. It's like we don't want human beings making the choice to murder, so we want to turn it over to robots in order to do it for us. I mean, keep in mind, they were making the argument that the kids, that they murdered, the hungry and something. at that school was an AI thing. I mean, they're blaming AI for it. Was that what I mean, AI did it. A.I. It was choosing the targets.

Yeah, maybe. Old Maps is much more likely. Did Jalysian's announcement about creating the Department of Religious Affairs during the same announcement? How about as a Christian that is chilling? I've got it if you want to see it. As a Christian, it pisses me off to no end. What? That's not what you want?

Because, no, because Christianity is, no, Christianity is not a pastist religion, but also teaches, you know, there are rules of warfare. Like, you're not able, you're not allowed to just go out and just wipe people out because they're in the way. Oh, so the concern isn't separation of church and state. It's the conflation of the U.S. military with religion. Correct. What they're doing is that they're wrapping their imperialism with the symbolism of, basically, they're the same thing the Islamists do, is it trying to say. It's always Christian soldiers, right? Yeah. But that's because if you-

That all Nazi soldiers wore around the swastika in German, it said, God is with us. Well, you got to remember, you know. Alariously in a secular regime. And no, Paul was talking about all-more Christian soldiers. That's about spiritual warfare, fighting the spiritual fight, putting on the armor of God. It doesn't mean that you go and evade another country. That's the whole reason why God punished David the way that he did.

But I send that danger of death now. You don't start wars of aggression. If someone attacks you, you take their head off. But there's a difference between offense and defensive war. Do you want to see it? You don't want to see it? Well, we don't really fight defensive wars. We don't have time, I think.

We have seven minutes. One of the advantages of the two-hour show. Speaking of which, thanks for joining us if you came in a little bit late into the show. We do Monday, Wednesday, Friday is the two-hour show. Tuesday, Thursday is the one-hour show. Everything starts at 9 a.m. So tomorrow we're back to two hours, but just to, I don't know how we're going to do this, Robbie, can you explain this? We said we're going to do the last hour tomorrow, the 10 o'clock hour, as exclusive content for the subscribers.

So are we just going to drop the feed and start a new feed or what are we going to do? I don't see any other way you can do it because with Rumble Studio, you could go live on Rumble, but then that ends the YouTube feed and that doesn't work. So that's what I have to do. Just end this show, start a new one as members only, and then the members that come in and they can call in and talk to you in JT. On Rumble, could we just drop the YouTube on the Rumble Studio? Could we just drop the YouTube feed at 10 o'clock? Yeah, but the point of it, the point of it is for the top tier YouTube subscribers.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that wouldn't work. So that would not work. Yeah. And you can't do Rumble without Rumble. Right. Right. hilariously.

Okay. all right thanks Robbie we'll we'll figure it out yeah i guess we'll do a separate feed um oh i know we can raid into it too well the best well the best way would would be in the in the one hour show then start a new show using stream yard people call in just to provide the link let's keep it simple let's not be tennessee here we'll do that let's let's use a guillotine and just get it done i mean so fucking hilarious like you know that like people spend billions of dollars trying to stay alive right but then like you know when it when people are like desperately ill and and they need to go to, like, get on a plane and go to Europe to have themselves killed,

or maybe you've got to the state of Tennessee and they can't even kill you. It's so weird. Canada has, like, booths that people can get into the kids, like euthanasia stuff. How does Canada do it? Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, they should outsource that to Tennessee. Yeah. So, well, once we invade Canada, we can, we'll steal that technology.

Just the way that we stole Venezuela's gold. Okay, so Chloe Renee Freeman, when you're a criminal or alleged criminal, you always get your middle name mentioned. You know, if I did anything wrong, I would become Frederick Theodore Rawl. Maybe Frederick, you're going to be the third. Anyway, Chloe Freeman, she's a 33-year-old nurse in the state of Michigan. There was an ICE detainee, a dude who was brought in. Basically, he was in a scuffle with ICE. ICE claimed that they noticed that he had injuries, so they brought him to the hospital.

And she decided to basically show him out the back entrance and said, fly free little bird. FBI is charging her under with it's a misdemeanor, a federal offense. I look this up. She faces up to one year in prison and up to a fine of $100,000. I say good for her, too. I mean, I think it's like, to me, regardless of where you stand on immigration or mass deportations, it's nice to see that there are Americans who are willing to put their own bodies on the line and to take risks to help fellow human beings, even if it means that they might face some really harsh consequences as a result.

I mean, I'm sure someone will put a GoFund Bee together for her. I mean, I doubt she'll get a year in prison. I wouldn't be surprised if the charges got dropped at some point. But, you know, I mean, but anyway, the point, this reminds me of the case of, wasn't it also in Michigan? Or was it Minnesota? The judge who also let an iced detainee out of the courtroom through the back door. And then she also got that.

Yeah. Right. And he went after the judge for it. But I don't know what happened to the judge as a result. like here you have basically like the judge was appalled that ICE was operating inside the courthouse and desecrating for the place the halls of justice uh here the nurse um you know she's she's in a helper profession the ultimate helper profession and like you know here's a guy who i mean so it's hilarious uh the FBI complained that he was not he didn't get all of his treatment uh and that she imperiled

him by letting him go free i'm sure he wasn't complaining really yeah i'm sure he was like I can stop by CBS. I'm pretty sure she didn't force him out the door. I'm sure she did not. She didn't force him out the door, right? It's not like she, you know, like you must leave this hospital. It wasn't that. No, this is resistance.

Get out of here. This is resistance. This is like this is what resistance looks like. And we're not, we need more of it so that we know what it looks like. Unfortunately, institutions, you know, like some of the colleges and stuff like that need to be more aggressive like this nurse. I mean, she took all risk. these institutions with all the money and everything else, you know, they were less willing to do so. So what federal laws do I get to ignore?

I don't know. If you make you choice, pick you, Pete. Just question. Between you and you and God, right? Yeah, pick the ones as you want. Well, I could have swore that we lived in a republic where Congress passed law, signed by president. We suppose our nation of laws not people. So for us to pick and choose the laws we're going to enforce.

Well, someone should tell Trump that because he picks and chooses the laws he wants to follow. Yeah. I mean, many of Congress pick and choose the ones they want to follow. They've been enriching themselves massively at the tip of the U.S. government. But individual Americans that have potentially religious beliefs of fairness and equality and that they don't necessarily believe that ICE and they allow their moral beliefs to take over, God bless her. I mean, at one point, slavery was legal. And you had people who were abolitionists who went and pushed against what they considered to be an evil, which was an evil.

And you go down the list of laws over the history. History views them very kindly. Yeah, unless you're AP Hill. You know who that is, don't you? I have no idea who. So history picks and chooses. AP Hill was a Confederate general who's an abolitionist who hated slavery. But people don't remember his name.

But I guess that's the point I'm trying to make is what she did. I know I have to go here in just a second. It's a form of vigilanteism. you decide that the law does not apply to me that the law does not apply to this person this person has a higher as a higher value than the collective and so i using my own authority that i do not have i'm going to violate disobedience man we don't live in we don't live in a fascist state it's civil disobedience you know north korea yes she's i mean disobedience and general modification going on and she is going to take her she is going to look there's a law she's in she's been charged um if a if a

If a judge and or a jury decides that she needs to go to prison for a year, she will. I mean, I don't know what more you get. I mean, you know, it's kind of like she took personal responsibility. Anyway, thanks for joining us. We have a plan for tomorrow. Basically, it's a one-hour show for the regular show tomorrow because it's Friday, and it's the last Friday. Basically, we were bleeding in from the month of September, and we're going to go,

according to Trent, we are going to film it and upload it later the second hour. So we'll see you live tomorrow, 9 o'clock Eastern time to 10 o'clock Eastern time. And stay tuned for TMI. That is coming up right now. And see you later. Bye, tomorrow. Go on, guys. Bye, bye-bye.