Desert Island Dicks - CHEF TOM BROWN

Episode Date: March 8, 2021

Dan sits down to talk with Michellin-starred chef Tom Brown, owner of the Cornerstone restaurant in London, and cook up a concoction of awful people and things to spend time with on an island. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Okay, on with the show. welcome to Desert Island Dicks, the show that sees you marooned on a desert island after a plane crash with the worst people and worst things imaginable. Who they are and why they're a dick is up to our guest. And here to share their Desert Island Dicks with us today is Michelin-starred chef and owner of the Cornerstone restaurant in London, Tom Brown. How are you doing? I'm good, yeah. I like that new Michelin-starred title, that's great. Yeah, it's pretty brand new and shiny, isn't it? Yeah, it's that new. We haven't been able to serve this as a Michelin-starred restaurant yet. We're still waiting, so yeah. Okay, so yeah, well,

I thought we'd add it at the beginning, you as well might as well milk it as much as possible i think trust me i am milking it as much as i can so i mean obviously you know you're you're sort of in lockdown at the minute you can't open the restaurant does that mean you're sort of like in an extra good mood for slagging off people and things is it put you in a bit of a sort of mood where you need to vent today oh definitely and it's cheaper than than the therapist i've been seeing and that's no it's yeah i mean in a way it's kind of topical i mean it's almost like you're being you know in the lockdown it's almost like you are on a desert like a desert island anyway isn't it so um but then i mean that just means i'm stuck with my wife so i mean i don't know how well that's gonna go but no um yeah it's definitely i mean mean, I'm definitely in the mood to talk about things I hate.

I mean, that's my general life disposition. So this is great. Perfect. Lovely. All right. Well, we can just get straight into it then. Who's going to be your first choice for the island? So my first choice is, it was the first one that came to my mind. And it's Jose Mourinho, the now Tottenham manager.

And what is it particularly about him that you hate? I mean, it's just everything. It's almost like he's almost the sort of person that is, I'm convinced he tries to make himself more dislikable. Like, he's been managed. I mean, and I'm a big Arsenal fan right so I mean a guy who's managed Chelsea Man United and now Tottenham is already in poor stead but I feel like all the fans of them clubs hate him as well like he he does these things like you know there's the whole thing of the special one and all like that which I mean I don't I don't

mind a bit of arrogance I think a bit of arrogance sometimes with the right person is good like you look at someone like Kanye West right Kanye West to me is great I love him I think as a character he's brilliant and I love this whole you know this persona of his arrogance but with Jose I mean I don't know man it's just like and the way he just singles out players, you know, it feels like it's a run-in soap opera that just kind of goes from season to season. So it's like, you know, he did the Chelsea one where he singled out, was it Mata, and got rid of one Mata and sold him off.

He was like this brilliant player. And then he went to United and he's, you know, he's singling out Luke Shaw and saying he's overweight or whatever. I just feel like it's just a repetitive process with him and I mean now you know I mean I love it that he's going through this terrible thing of like running Tottenham into the ground I mean long may that continue but I just think imagine just imagine it's just you and him and you sat on the beach and you just have to listen to him. I just think, just, I mean, I'd rather just say, Jose, can you stop talking and just poke me in the eye instead or something?

Like, honestly, I just can't, can't think of anything worse. I think, yeah, he's the sort of person, yeah, on a beach with him. I think he's going to quickly sort of start playing kind of Machiavellian roles to sort of, you know, turn you against each other and sort of assume a kind of a dominant role well he's either going to do that and try and become like your king or he's just going to be a lazy bastard who doesn't do anything and just sits back and expects you to bring him food and stuff I can just yeah I can just see him sitting there with that grumpy kind of it's almost it's kind of a smirk, but upside down. That kind of frown, frowny look while you go off looking for coconuts or whatever.

And coming back and him just moaning about that you're not done. Do you know what I mean? He's just like, he's just so, he's just so dislikable. You know what I mean? I mean, I just can't imagine anyone worse. He's sort of, it's weird because he's almost like, I mean, I don't know a lot about football. But in my head, I've got a sort of football manager's type of sort of the sort of person i expect to be a football manager but he's more in a sort of mold of a bond villain or something i sort of

wouldn't be surprised if at the end of a match he waits for everyone to go home and then the pitch slides apart and a sort of rocket comes out of it or something like that because he's got that sort of demeanor but like it's almost like you know he came from a family of villains and then he sort of didn't quite make the grade, so he became a football manager instead. So he's kind of like the worst football manager in terms of being an evil bastard, but then he'll go home for Christmas and everyone kind of looks down on him because he's not a proper evil villain or something. Oh my God, yeah, totally like Despicable Me sort of character. Yeah, I mean, he is just like that almost sort of pantomime villain

and in a way he's one of those ones that you kind of love to hate it's almost like i'm glad he's around because it gives you that you know at least he's not bland yeah at least there's some managers and they're like sort of a bit wishy like someone like for example gareth southgate is the england manager i know he's you know there's a lot of people like him a lot of people dislike him i just think he's a bit sort of vanilla there's just nothing really there at least with jose is like you know the opposite of love isn't hate it's indifference and i can't be indifferent to jose like i actively fucking hate him so you know what i mean like i'm kind of glad he's around but but, yeah, I just think it's almost pantomime villain-esque.

It's like, I wish he had, like, a twirly moustache. You know what I mean? When he's on the day, he can kind of go, mm-hmm. Like, just at least wear a monocle or something, you know what I mean? Definitely. Yeah. Yeah, it's weird because it's sort of like

when you see someone who takes himself that seriously, it's almost like you kind of think, is there, are you sort of like when you see someone who takes himself that seriously it's almost like you kind of think is there are you sort of are you a character you sort of playing a role almost and then it's more acceptable like if he's is sort of hamming it up but i think he just does seem to take himself that seriously and there's and there's no fun in that it's just just annoying i think he's i think he's quite self-aware and i think he does do it and i think i think he relishes in it. Like, you know how sometimes you relish in that hatred?

I think he almost like tries to sort of stoke the fires. He does it every three years as well. He's got this pattern of getting sacked every three years and then getting hired again. And it's like, you can kind of just see this sort of cycle that he does. But that's quite a weird thing as well isn't it like those sort of people who kind of yeah who really do like to just piss people off you know they're like oh this will annoy those people when i say this or send this tweet or whatever it's like

what's your mindset to do that like you don't have to be everyone's friend but it's quite weird when you deliberately enjoy kind of just like people hating you I don't like where do you get to that point I know I mean I don't I don't I just I don't understand it I mean yeah it's just it's not not that everyone needs to be liked all the time but I just think when you're clearly clearly do it you know I mean really pissing people off mean, I think as well with football, it's so, it's so revered and that people are so into it

and it's so easy to become, well, not easy because obviously you need to be very talented or whatever,

but it's easy to become a legend to an extent. You know, Jose Mourinho could be a Chelsea legend, right? You know, won the Premier League with

however many points and whatever but they hate him because because he's but he's created this this this character and this sort of aura about him of this like yeah like this pantomime villain tie in a damsel in distress to a train track sort of melodramatic like character just this awful like black hole of shit and you're just like I don't know yeah I mean it's I just can't I just could not think of anyone more deplorable I mean like as an Arsenal fan yeah you've got Arsene wenger right and arsene wenger was a hugely divisive character at the end people wanted him sacked people wanted him to stay whatever by the end everyone wanted him to go because it was just too long but people thought he was a nice bloke like people like and jose had this like campaign of like hate this visceral

hatred against arsene wenger like he's nice he seems all right he seems like a nice lovely bloke like whether you think he's a good manager or not is one side he seems all right he seems like a nice user and jose's just like just calling you know just this these awful like tirades of like of a specialist in failure and avoid it and it's just like nah not for me it's weird it's like when a school bully grows up like you kind of you sort of end up with someone like that or or maybe it's the opposite maybe just had like yeah he was just i don't know kicked about a bit a lot when he was young and this is what happens on a global stage but i think either way he's just yeah putting him on an island it's just he's he's

never going to kind of muck in and join in and just like drop his pretense and just become a normal person without ego to sort of live with i think he's got the elite he i mean he's elitist he's not he's not on uh he's not on coconut picking duty no chance and yeah it's funny you say about like what it was like a kid so i imagine he was one of the ones pulling legs off spiders like for sure you know i mean he there saying, I'm the special one pulling all the kids, pulling the little legs off the little daddy long legs. Definitely. Definitely.

Okay. A good choice. And who's going to join him then? Okay. So number two, this was a hard one to whittle down because there's so many of this ilk um that i could have picked but for me i'm gonna go with matt hancock okay yeah fair enough i mean i you know the the i don't want to get too political and rector as well but it's just the the thing

that i can't abide by with him is as well there's a few things but one of them is like the lack of accountability or acceptance I mean I don't know we've all seen it on uh you know on Good Morning Britain with Piers Morgan and Piers Morgan's a close you know Piers Morgan was way up to getting on this list he doesn't quite get on but he appears you were you were near but um I don't know if you've seen it it's like the video with the Scott where he's talking about the free school meals and um they're calling him out because uh Marcus Rashford again you know I'm not gonna go too football heavy but Marcus Rashford who we all know did this amazing campaign um for free school meals and to help children out that need it right which is like at the end

there's it's a very obvious thing right the vote in parliament was should we give children free school meals during the pandemic or whatever and that is a very obvious thing right do we want to feed poor children and they voted no yeah so many of them voted nah like and you can say for whatever reason about budgets or or economy or whatever it was right they voted against giving children food imagine that yeah now when he gets called up on it because marcus rashford has made this huge campaign amazing bloke um and and made this big turnaround with the government and piers morgan is saying to him will you apologize or will you admit that you were wrong not to vote and he will not do it he would and he dances around it he's just like well you know i'm glad that now the kids are getting it and he's like but you voted against it he's like yeah but

now they can yeah but you didn't want them to get it but wouldn't it wouldn't it be a lovely thing right for him to go do you know what yeah i voted against it this was my reason i I will now say I was wrong. I should have voted for that. And, you know, credit to Marcus. He's turned it around and let's make sure. Why can't they do that? I just hate like what people make mistakes, right? People fuck up. I do it all the time. Like, trust me, I'm a master of it. Why can't they just go? Yeah, yeah we shouldn't we shouldn't have done that and then just say but now we'll fix it you just can't respect anyone like that and that's what that's what first that's what i find so frustrating i mean you know again if we're talking about the

desert island setting might say something went wrong so can you imagine the lengthy discussion he would have and the dancing about oh it'd be excruciating yeah yeah because i think you know there's loads of things in politics where you're like why don't we just make this whole thing much better and i get that with lots and lots of things it's more complicated than we see as laymen you know it's like loads of things could probably be improved but yeah it's probably not as straightforward as we see it but when it is like as you say it's like should we feed the poor kids who who won't eat if we don't feed them like yeah yeah make it happen just make that happen like as a society when you're saying well i don't know maybe you shouldn't have had so many kids if you can't feed

them like you're a baddie like that's it you know it doesn't matter what side you're on like i'm not going to get left or right but like when you're thinking like that you're just a complete bastard totally and don't you know again like political allegiances aside it's a very obvious thing right is it's extremely obvious and it's but there's so many things like that there's the whole thing. Like the thing that got me was the second when they did the media run out for the second clapping for the NHS. And just to put just to put out there, the NHS, obvious and obviously fantastic institution. Right. Yeah. The best in the world. The fact, you know, what they do and certainly what they've done in the past in this pandemic is unbelievable um particularly when they've been so underfunded and yeah under you know pushed to one side and then they're called on for the for the worst crisis

that we've ever seen in our lifetimes and hopefully we'll ever see again and they're getting clapped at eight o'clock every Thursday and I remember the first one right I was in I've moved from there now but I had my flat in Leighton and a little balcony and I come outside and all I could hear around me was clapping and and cars beeping and I was like this is quite moving you know this is quite a moving moment and then when there was the lockdown i think it was the one i don't know which i'll get confused between them now they all kind of blur into one but yeah then it was the big thing it was like the media campaign of oh we're gonna start the clapping for carers again and i was just like do something better yeah i mean like and there was there was a

vote in parliament i think it was the other day there was a vote in Parliament I know it was with the budget I believe, and they've been given a 1% pay increase 1% now they're quite happy to roll all these people out, and it's the same with Captain Tom Moore, I mean what a legend right 100 years old, doing his 100 laps and that

and I think that is amazing right, what he did was brilliant and you know he pulled a nation together and all the rest of it and it's it's amazing what this person did but the fact of like then they're they're lording him up and being like you know we're gonna have this ref fly over and and all the rest of it that you're doing that because you're you're jumping on the fact that this man has got you out of the shit by raising 32 million pounds nhs that you should have put in there you should have put that in there not not no bloke walking around his garden

that should have been you should have done that in the start and then you know it's like someone going it's like someone sweet swooping in at the end and taking credit for everyone else yeah they did get really sort of co-opted by it because then it's like it makes it a really tricky thing to criticize because as you say like there shouldn't have been a gap to fill for the nhs like he shouldn't have had to do it but if you criticize it you're like oh what you don't think a patriot should do you know after all he's been through and you're i'm not he's brilliant for doing all that i'm not taking anything away but like he shouldn't have had to like you know that should be the main priority like feed the kids make the nhs good you

know oh yeah exactly and like no one no one is disputing the fact that charity is a good thing right that's obvious charity is a great is a wonderful thing but when you're twisting it to make it you know to use it for your own gain and it's like you see people coming out i remember do you remember the video nigel farage coming out and like banging a pan in the end of the road yeah like honestly it just might it made me be sick in my mouth a little bit. People don't realise that normally he has that pan ready by the door so he can scare away foreigners from his fields. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Like a sort of scarecrow. Like, get away. Get away from there. Get away from our jobs. Go away. Yeah, he's another one that could have well been on the list. Don't worry. He's on the island already, so don't worry. As is Pce morgan so we're okay um yeah matt hanker it just feels like there's such a level of kind of ineptitude like i've said this before like he feels like he's got such an important job but he would better fit like

a sort of regional manager of a sort of stationary shop in the north or something you know i mean like he shouldn't need to print stuff yeah and it's like i think if ever you're going to admit getting stuff wrong you'd probably be able to do it in a pandemic because you're like look i fucked up but i mean jesus christ we didn't see this coming you know fucking hell like so it's yeah exactly you know so you can do it and then and now like because the vaccine rollout's going okay you know i've seen people going going look, look, but, you know, credit where it's due, the vaccine, that's all going well. And it's like, yeah, but we shouldn't just sort of look at the last thing they did. And, you know, it's like, yeah, the vaccine rollout's going well, but there's what, how many dead? Like well over 100,000 needlessly dead.

So let's not forget all of them this this this government was voted in a huge factor of why they were voted in is because they were going to be tough on immigration and free movement of people great britain is a small tiny island right people have to come here through airports through ferry ports whatever and we fucked up so badly and i i got criticized for this on social media with uh comparing great britain to new zealand and obviously they're different entities you know it's a huge much more few traffic a huge amount more um traffic of people coming through heathrow airport etc as to new zealand new zealand are having festivals right they're having festivals we've got a hundred thousand dead like the the flights were still going on like people are coming in and out and in and out schools going back to only all the rest of

it like it's like it's it's baffling i mean you know and and to relate it to you know myself and my industry we got the 10 o'clock curfew thing right do you remember that when it was like if if you are if one of your policies is the subject of multiple multiple means it's probably not a good one so like when everyone's going you know the ones of like coronavirus at 959 and coronavirus at 1001 like you probably think i don't know if this is right lads yeah i mean like i i just don't i just don't get it and i hate the other thing i hate about is like this kind of pseudo strong leaderful politician like if you look like a child has painted a face on an egg don't come out and try and be like it doesn't work do you know what i mean like and it's that

that's i mean that stems back for all of them for like all the way back to to david cameron i mean he literally looked at the thumb with a wig. For all of them coming out, it's just like, where's this like, stop this like pseudo strong, you're not, just like plenty of strengths. I mean, Boris is the same. Comes out trying to give it this, all this like, oh yeah, we're, you know, as strong and united front,

but you look like a scarecrow, like just just stick to that yeah so putting it in on your island then i think matt hancock and um jose marino i just think like he's gonna be so far up jose's ass isn't he he's because i think matt hancock really has the vibe of like you know the kid who holds the bully's coats while they beat up the other weaker kids. Do you know what I mean? So I think he's going to be absolutely just running around him sort of like a little dog yapping up. Can I help? Can I do anything?

Do you want me to mismanage anything? I'm on it. I can point the finger and blame Tom if you want. Smithers, isn't he? Smithers to Mr Burns. Jose would be Mr Burns and he's Smithers. Yeah. Yeah, so I think that's just going to be particularly uncomfortable because even even when you've got a mountain of evidence

that it's actually his fault that the coconuts have gone bad and weren't stored properly like he's never gonna he's always going to sort of weasel out of it i think so i think it's a strong choice there okay who's going to be the third person then rounding off this trio of dicks um okay this one's for this one's for everyone in the hospitality industry and i think they would all agree is i don't know who it is but whoever invented trip advisor okay yeah whoever invented the platform trip advisor okay so i mean for lots of people obviously you know they're going to sort of go by trip advisor ratings when they're going on holiday, when they're looking for a restaurant and stuff. So you're coming from like the hospitality industry. What is it that's so bad about them?

So what's so bad about them is the lack of regulation and the lack of filtering. Every chef out there has a bad trip advisor story right so there's ones i remember when i when i was in cornwall um and i worked with nathan outlaw there was one for one of the restaurants that they walked past it and uh they went to go in they didn't have a booking and they had a dog and he said, sorry, you can't bring dogs in. And it got a one, right? They got what they give it a one star, but they've never been there. They've never, they've literally never even set foot. They just politely got told you can't come in with your dog. Right.

And it's just like that, that that's on there then. And someone's going to see that and someone's going to read it. And I mean, hopefully everyone's not so stupid to like pay that much attention to it but it's just like the lack of like regulation to it I had one here at Cornerstone and um I've had we've had a couple actually and one of them was uh a lady kept booking and then cancelling her booking on the day or not showing up for a booking or cancelling it last minute and um she booked it again and she kept doing it over and over and she booked again and just didn't show up and we rang her and she was like yeah we'll be there in half an hour and we said sure and then she never showed up right so we it was table four

so we um charged her our table charge right so uh we take a we take a an amount of money per person if they don't show up for a table which i think for me i mean it seems it seems weird to me that people don't really understand that but it's like if you paid to go to uh the theater or you paid to go and watch a gig you don't then get your money back if you don't show up to it right if you buy cinema tickets online and you don't go watch the film no one's giving you your money back right so it's the same thing and the cinema they're not do you know what i mean they're not bothered if you don't show up but here we've ordered in food chefs you know people's wages whatever and um she's fuming absolutely this outrage that we could possibly do this and she was saying to us you know my

husband's a journalist for whatever paper and i'm gonna to tell him and you're going to be all over the thing and we're like well you know this is our policy has been clearly stated and also it's not the first time that you've done this like you've done this repeatedly i just went on trip advisor and gave us a thing and you know we we spoke to trip advisor about it and uh they went well yeah it's fair and the one that's that's one right and that one's like you kind of almost get right you're you're irked about this one we had one we had one right and it was this guy and he was talking about you know whatever i can't remember what he meant about food but the the kitchen here is is an open kitchen right it's right in the middle of the restaurant and you all the diners can see what's

happening um and obviously like we work in the middle so you can see all the chefs and um he said what was it it was like non-gym toned tattooed chefs right which is a hundred percent pointed at me because no one else has got tattoos and everyone else at the time and it's like non-tattooed gym chefs, tattooed non-gym town chefs, talking about the music that we had on or whatever. And I was like, right, this isn't all right. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, it's not about the appearance of the chef. It's like, don't have a go at me for the moment.

Do you know what I mean? I mean, if the food is ugly, you know, maybe. But, you know, if the chefs don't conform to whatever stereotype no so i'm not obviously not calling you ugly no you don't mean like if you know like you can't just sort of say like the chef needs to look a certain way i mean it's just insane no exactly exactly and i i i um so we emailed and i was like i was like right ham it up like say i mean i'd laughed about it i sent it on to like whatever group chat so i was in or whatever but um i i said to them like let's let's ham it up like let's just say like you know this is really upsetting you know

this is this is uh what's the word like whether you know have a go at your body or whatever and it's you know and they were like nah it's not you know it doesn't fit with that and i was like no if you like you can't you can't have that as a review of a restaurant like the shit that you can't it can't be your review imagine jay rayner going out and going yeah do you know what it was all right but the chef was the chef wased, so we're not. It's so weird. It's such a weird thing to pick up on. But that's the thing, isn't it? Things like TripAdvisor, I think you're so much more likely to give people,

you know, it's used as a threat, isn't it? It's like, well, if you don't do X, Y, and Z, I'm going to leave you a shitty review. So people tend to, in all kinds of review formats, they're more likely to go online and complain than they are to go do you know what that restaurant was banging i loved it you know because that's just unfortunately the way that people can be a bit cunty sometimes but um i think as well the other thing is with like trip advice i'm always like i don't how can i trust the opinion

of someone i don't know so if it is like a reviewer in a restaurant uh review that i read all the time i'm like okay i've been to some of these places i get an idea of the sort of things that you like so then i could trust you but if it's just like pam from stevenage i'm like yeah i don't know what you like you might sort of go i'm from stevenage she's but you know i mean it's like i don't know what your tastes are so if you sort of say like oh the food was a bit over the top, to me that might be perfect. Or like something that you go, oh, I didn't like this.

It was a bit of a strong taste or something. You might just have a shit palate. You know, like why do people trust the views of strangers? I never understand it. Honestly, like so many things. And like, I used to read it all the time. I used to be like this sort of nerdy obsessive like you know like a ex-girlfriend sort of thing like obsessing over it and just looking

and like seeing every single thing that's been written and I was just like it's doing and it the when I stopped it was because the good ones were pissing me off it's like even the good ones I was like well they've said that it was Bam when actually i know for a fact it was bass on the menu and you're just like and when when we opened cornerstone i wanted to i sent i got our solicitor to email trip advisor and say i don't want to be featured like i disagree with it being featured but apparently it's like you're not allowed to do that because it's public forum or whatever but i was just like and then and then i went through a thing because i kind of i kind of get a bit irate about these things there was one point where i wanted to blacklist anyone that posted a trip advisor review and i was just like in the end

i just thought i need to just stop reading it yeah which was probably the healthiest thing but yeah i just i just think like look it's it's a subjective matter right it's it's a subjective matter food is food is like it's like art it's like music you know not to make it too poncy or pretentious but it's like that it's subjective to the person it's subjective to the the the time when you eat it that night you know if you if you're in a if you're in a great mood and you know you're out on a and you're having a lovely time and the experience is great and the food's there that's that's fine you can have a good one if you're a shit day at work you

come out from here you're probably not going to rate it that much yeah you know it's it's that and to think there's not there's not really a thing like that for for for music if you like like imagine people going on and being like oh don't listen to this because it just doesn't I just don't understand how it's a thing and like I do get with some of them and and and some every now and again there are there are things that people will highlight I mean like I say we don't really look at tripwires or whatever but people might send an email and say you know I found this this and this about the service or the food or whatever and you look at it and it's you know there's no there's no room for that arrogance of like you know we always know

best with everyone but i mean when people are chatting absolute shit on triple z it's like fuck off man like no yeah i think i think like as we say this the fact that people can use it as a threat isn't right you know that like that woman who didn't turn up like obviously you know you've got a high-end restaurant so losing a table of four repeatedly does have an impact on your your takings and stuff so then to say well if you don't write it off i'm gonna slag you off i mean that's not right and also i think there's a bit of a culture where like for me i remember going to a restaurant with with someone's family and like the guy one of the guys I was with fancies himself as a bit of a cook he's a good cook he was a foodie a little

bit but he was like he was sort of like a he was like an older relative of the group and when when the waiter came and he was like oh is everything all right and he was like yeah with with this I would have just actually toned this bit and he was like critiquing it to the waiter who obviously doesn't give a shit because it was just somewhere we were on holiday and I was like critiquing it to the waiter who obviously doesn't give a shit because it was just somewhere we were on holiday and i'm like no you don't get to do that you get to say like this was inedible or this was nice and if it's something that you would tweak that's that's not your business it's like okay well for you you would have had less fennel but that's that's just your taste and it's the same with trip advisor it's like they're concentrating on

things that isn't it's not really fair to concentrate it's like look did you get did you have a nice meal or were you like completely sort of exactly you know but you can't just sort of say oh but if it was me I would have shaved the parmesan a bit differently it's like well that's just your taste so like that's not fair to then use that as a review and that's the thing like once once these people once these little nerds sitting in their dark room keyboard warriors have typed it out and posted it to them that's gospel that is written that is written that's on the tablets of moses do you know what i mean that is written into phone and people have to pay attention to it whereas it's just your opinion to an extent but like that's not do you know what I mean is that

quantification of it being valid that's what annoys me it's almost like once it's there it's given that validity and I think we're in such a culture now where people pay so much attention to to what's what's posted online and what's you know it's it's it's it's so intrinsic to this to this industry now and it's it's really frustrating that it can just sort of turn on sixpence and people be done with it i don't know if you've seen it recently there's a big there's a big thing um with a bloke who was an influencer if you like fancied himself an influencer and he was um trying to get free food off this off a restaurant and um they said you know he said oh i want some free food i'll give xyz posts and uh they went um okay and he said yeah it's actually for me and my support

bubble which is five other people they said okay cool and they were like can you pick it up from the restaurant and he said yeah no problem um so they directed him where it was and they and they were messaging him and saying just walk a little bit further down here and it's just past there and then they went can you see the police station and he went yeah and they said just walk through the doors there and just report yourself turn yourself in for crimes against hospitality and i was like and i read it and the same bloke the same bloke emailed me two years ago repeatedly he must have emailed me 10 times asking me um if he wanted me to come here with his friend and here's our instagram profiles

and i must have been in a bad mood because i i recognized the picture when i saw it online and i went back on my emails and i had a look i must have been in a bad move because I went mate you need to do your research I've got more followers than you and your pal put together so I don't need your influence and he was like you know we're just trying to pay our bills I was like how are you trying to pay your bills by coming and getting a free meal here like yeah how does that pay your bills it's like these people and if they don't like it they you know someone could go there and post all this stuff all over it and make it look bad and you know it's a constant thing i mean instagram's a huge one for us like we we have i i if i if i have a night off and like luckily the guys here

are amazing so i never see anything but it's like you know if you see something and it looks bad or not right like you you're constantly thinking about how this is viewed. It's a it's a you know, it's a it's a it's something that chefs need to think about these days. So, yeah, TripAdvisor for me is dead. Fair enough. Fair enough. OK, so the founder of TripAdvisor joins the other two on there. So I think you've got a solid base of some pretty excruciating dicks on there to wind you up for the rest of time. You're a podcast listener and this is a podcast ad. Reach great listeners like yourself with podcast advertising from Lipson Ads.

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What are they and why are they so bad? OK, this one's a tie, so I'm going to put two things here. Okay. The first one is fake vegan meats. Okay. Or vegetarian, like Linda McCartney sausages, that faken, you know, the fake vegan or vegetarian meat. And the second one is baked beans okay so well let's take

them both in turn then so uh let's start with the sort of substitute meat i just don't understand right you don't want to eat meat but you want to pretend to yourself that you are eating meat i just don't get it right vegan food is brilliant i i have nothing no problems with vegan vegetarian that the world is full of the most beautiful vegetables and wonderful produce and you can eat the best i mean there's cultures in the world where they're predominantly, you know, you look at huge amounts in Asia that are predominantly vegetarian. Ethiopian food is predominantly vegan. Why are you compressing all that shit into a little slice that looks like a frazzle that's been through the washing machine

and trying to call it bacon? I just don't get it. If you want bacon, eat bacon. I just don't get the mindset of it. eat bacon i just don't get the mark the mindset of it it's like yeah why do you have to try and trick yourself like i just don't get it you're making a conscious choice what's the point yeah i suppose it's like sort of listening to like going oh i can't listen to my favorite artists anymore so but i'm going to listen to covers of them it's like it's not going to do like if you have like a poor cover of something you know it's like i can't listen to david bowie anymore but i have

got this album of covers by x factor contestants yeah it's like that's that's not that's going to make me more angry than just never listening to him again i think you know yeah exactly i mean yeah fucking hell that's a desert island dicks thing right there just listening to covers of david bowie but um no i just yeah it just doesn't make sense to me like it's almost like saying oh I'm I'm gonna get I'm gonna live a life of celibacy but I'm just gonna draw loads of pictures of people having sex I don't get do you know what I mean it doesn't make sense to me if those ingredients taste nice right whatever's in that faking or whatever it's called they're like just like that's fine if they're nice right but just what's the point in saying that they have to be i just don't get why

you have to lie about it and say now it's like just just oh it's like oh it almost tastes like well yeah but just it tastes like what it is you know i mean that's staying doesn't make sense to me yeah i think like most things would just if you just sort of get rid of the fake part and just concentrate on making the rest of the meal better i think it's probably you know a better way to be um i think like i think about vegetarian sausages a lot because i always find like in lockdown like zoom zoom parties for me are like the equivalent of vegetarian sausages yeah because it's sort of like if i'm in the mood for bangers and mash a veggie one isn't going to cut it but when I've been away from sausages for long enough maybe it's started it'll vaguely scratch the itch but then halfway through I'm like god I wish I had some proper

sausages you know what I mean it's sort of like and that's to me like that's sort of like there's a lot of things like that with like lockdown where you go well if I sort of do this it's a bit like the feeling of that. But ultimately, you just feel quite hollow afterwards, I think. So, yeah, I completely agree. I mean, when we're doing when we're all sitting about doing a Zoom quiz, that definitely has the same feeling of one of them sawdusty Linda McCartney sausages. Like, yeah, no, that's not for me. Yeah. OK. And then baked beans beans join them i'm not a fan of

beans either so uh yeah what is it about them that pisses you off to be honest i'm almost going on my trip advisor thing here because i'm pretty sure i've never eaten a baked bean in my life but just the like when i was a kid i was the fussiest eater right i like wouldn't eat anything and one thing that i was against was things that the fussiest eater right i like wouldn't eat anything and one thing that i was against was things that were red and as a walking so like ketchup beans tomato sauce of any kind right and and as a grown-up i've like started to sort of come around come around to those things as a concept being probably as something like that but um baked beans i just can't get they just look

they just look like it's the it's like the sliminess of them they just look so slimy and i just it's that little they're little like carb carby like i just i just don't understand i can't imagine like it's sort of brings me out in palpitations just thinking about like eating one i mean maybe it's more of a phobia than a dislike but they honest like i just can't think of anything worse and also there was on top of that i get a lot of stigma about a breakfast because you know when you're younger you go on a night out with your pals or whatever you're all a bit hung over the next day you all go out for like a greasy spoon fry up and every all i used to get was about how dry my breakfast was which is a really niche thing to bang your friends about but yeah no it was it was like how dry is your breakfast but like i just

can't and honestly i'm i'm so funny about it now i mean if if i if i ordered something and there's beans there and it's like it's touching and it just like you know if it's just on the side of like the bread or the hash brown or whatever and it's just all soggy if it's just on the side of like the bread or the hash brown or whatever and it's just all soggy and it's just i mean they just look horrible but they're sweet as well right like yeah they're sweet like why i just don't get this they just look awful like i just can't imagine that feed it's like to me it must be like eating frog spawn or something like i just can't no because it's weird as well like you could take the type of bean they use in baked beans and put it in any other dish and they're fine but it's

something that happens in the can and the sauce like and that sauce it like it infects the rest of the plate to such an extent like you say it's like i don't know what it is it's like nothing escapes it no and if they're left for a little while they get that little skin on as well don't they like you know sometimes you sit in like a bad hotel or something you know when they've been left under a lamp one of those heat lamps and it's like they've just got a big vat of beans on a on a buffet or something and there's like a skin on it like i don't know what it is i think as well when i was little like you know beans and toast was always seen as like a bit of a treat for kids oh beans on toast how's that meal i don't understand it's not a meal it's not like it's not like why are they why are you putting them on the toast yeah the worst one you're saying about the skin thing right so when you go like in

restaurants and whatever yeah uh in fridges you get like obviously people going you know they um they keep things in containers and that and there there's nothing worse than, I've worked in a few hotels in my time, like in my young years, and there's nothing worse than if the chef on breakfast doesn't change the container that the beans are in, because you have like the big industrial, like tins of baked beans, so you decant them into like a plastic tub. And sometimes you might come on breakfast and you see it's like tide marks and you just see these like lines of like you know like rings of a tree like how old it's like this level of crusty bean juice that layer of crusty bean juice it's just like nah oh man okay so those are your foods and i now I'm thinking, I mean, you are, you know, you're a professional chef who specialises in fish cookery. So I think you being on a desert island, I mean, you're actually the one guest who could really knock up some amazing stuff on this.

I don't know quite how we ban you from touching anything from the seas, but for the purposes of this, we're just going to say you get those food items. But what would your drink choice be um this was yeah i was i was i was struggling with this one so but the thing i think the thing that i can't stand the most is like juices and smoothies but like you know when they're like the healthy ones that have had like vegetables and stuff in yeah and my wife loves them right my wife lives off them and she's she'll like be knocking up a spinach banana ginger and apple smoothie and she's like do you want something i'm like obviously not that sounds disgusting like you'd never sit and eat those things in a sack you know what i mean you wouldn't put all them things in like a bowl

and eat a salad and even she don't like it she admits i don't like it i just do it for but it's like why why are you drinking it then like you don't have to you don't have to put the vegetable stuff in there you could just make like a nice one with the apples and bananas and orange juice whatever and then have the spinach afterwards it doesn't make sense so and it's like the gritty grainy like texture of it it's like those kind of smooth like the smoothies i don't i'm not i'm not a smoothie fan yeah there's there's a real culture around it isn't there like it's not just about it's like people think they'll change the world or something and it's like you know if you eat enough fruit and veg in your diet and have a

varied balanced diet you're kind of okay when people like oh yeah but i've got to start there with a green juice and it's it has to be green it's like there are loads of things that are all green have completely different properties it's not just it seems like a really weird thing and everyone goes no i need a green juice please and it's like yeah how have you been duped to just think oh the color is green everything is fine you're like exactly it's not all the same like one's got more iron one's got more fiber one's got something else like why are you it's just a weird thing to me turning up at a juice bar with a b&q color chart to check whether it's healthy or not like yeah it doesn't know like the i mean i'm in our restaurant's obviously

in hackney right so there's low there's loads things like that. It's like loads of juicy things. And it's kind of this hipstery thing. And I just think, I think with things like that, if people haven't been doing them until a few years ago, there's probably a good reason. People weren't going around 10 years ago for this big spinach flavoured juice hype. Yeah.

And it's because they're horrible. It's because they don't taste nice. And I think as well, there's, there should be a trade description case going on here because smoothies aren't smooth. They're grainy. They're bitty.

They've got little bits of like, like the ginger, you know, like when you blitz up ginger and it leaves the little hairs and you're like picking out seeds from the raspberries and that there's nothing smooth about it if it's if it was smooth it might be better but yeah the texture is not nice i don't like glugging them back at all and yeah as you said rather just eat all the things separately like i love fruit i love vegetables i'd rather just eat an apple and a banana and then just have some water you know rather than

have to like blend everything you know um yeah and on a desert island as well when everything's a bit warm uh you know and like you know when you leave it for a while and you come back and it's sort of separated yeah when it's separated oh it's just it's awful isn't it and it's yeah it's exactly like you say just just have them as separate things like why do you have to put them all into one thing to kind of gulp it down and swallow it like the reason they do it is so you can have to you gulp it down and swallow it before you can taste any of it it's like we that's one thing that i get with with oysters like people always go well what's the best way to eat an oyster and like innuendo aside as people go like should you just swallow it should you you know keep it in your mouth and do it whatever but if

you are just necking it like it's like oysters if people just put them in their mouth and they just gulp it that's because you don't like the taste yeah like you like eat them things eat the banana eat your spinach eat the apple eat whatever don't blend it all up to one imagine if someone goes to you right i really like a pie i really like beef and gravy and vegetables and pastry so what i'll do i'll put in a blender and whiz it up and then i'm going to drink my pie smoothie but it doesn't it's exactly the same vegetable yeah yeah i don't know i don't know what yeah what magic people think happens when it becomes a juice but yeah a good choice a good

choice okay now tom fortunately you won't be without entertainment on the island the planes entertainment system continues to work but just your luck it only has two working settings one is your least favorite film of all time and the other is your least favourite song. What are they and why? So song, I'm going to go with Anything by Ed Sheeran. Great. Brilliant. Any song by Ed Sheeran. Perfect. I'm absolutely with you on this one. And my film, I'm going to go with Mamma Mia.

Okay. All right. Well, let's tackle the Ed Sheeran thing first then. Yeah, I've got a lot to say about him, so I'm going to let you start. What is it about him that annoys you? He's just a knob, isn't he? Like, his music is like, it's like someone slowly sticking their wet finger into your ear and just going slightly deeper and slightly deeper and also like it when I come into work right quite often

if I come in a bit later than all the chefs they've got it on because like they're all sort of a younger generation I just think I just don't i just don't get like what it's it's just so nothing there's just nothing behind it and it's just so irritating and the thing that annoys me the most right the thing that annoys me the most with ed sheeran and his music is that it's managed to somehow like by some like venom out of Spider-Man osmosis, get his little tentacles into grime music. How has that happened? How has Ed Sheeran managed to get into, like, the grime scene?

And, you know, the one, there's the song with, where it's him and Stormzy, and he's talking about, it's like, I'm coming back to London or something and he's talking about him eating a packet of crisps and having a pint I was just what the fuck like I just think about Stormzy and I'm like how is Stormzy this like respectable grime artist who's doing all sorts of bits in that in that scene and just going yeah there's this ginger kid that's got a colorful lion tattoo over his whole body and he plays a guitar and that and um he wants to do a song about packet of crisps and pints but i'm really into that yeah it's honestly it's just like i cannot i i can't i cannot listen to it. It's genuinely painful.

It hurts my soul to listen to his music. But that's the thing. He seems to me like it's almost like a robot invented by the music industry. Because I'll go, right, here's your album. Here's the one that can get played on Radio 2 and Magic. Here's the one that will go on the rock stations. Here's the one that we can do a remix of to get on Kiss. But the way he sort of remembers stuff or like talks about

things like you said it's like there's such a sort of weird rose tinted view of things like oh this will make me humble pint and crisps you're like what or like there's one that really annoys me he's talking about sort of going back home or like he's talking about like oh you know things were simple then you know when we were 17 oh when he broke his leg or something yeah and you're like you were like 25 when he wrote this song it was like what oh yeah six years ago when things were simple you're like oh do you remember back in the days when we used to smoke rollies you're like oh you humble guy smoking rollies like people and oh like and then he goes listing all his friends and he was like oh you know one's divorced now one sells clothes

and you're like so what like what like your friends have got normal people jobs and problems like what and you're humble because you still hang out with them like it's just it's like this weird android of like this is how people feel isn't it like this is this all you know like they smoke rolled hand rolled cigarettes and they reminisce about the old days. It's like, you're not old enough to reminisce about the fucking old days. When, didn't he do one with Justin Bieber? And it was like number one for like 47 years

or something ridiculous. And I just remember, it was him, wasn't it? I'm so out of, I'm deliberately out of touch with everything, so I don't know. I'm sure, I might have, I mean, I've semi-repressed it, I think, but I'm sure i might have i mean i've i've semi repressed it i think but i'm sure there was one that they did together and it was just like i can just imagine a room of like down in some like darkened basement of some record company like and all these executives just licking their lips at the prospect of like these two it's almost like the perfect storm of like

shit music that makes loads of money it's like this one and this one together yeah all right we're probably gonna end civilization yeah but at least we'll all cash in it's yeah i just i just fucking hate it like music's a huge thing to me like i love i love good music it's such a massive part of my life i mean you know the restaurant's called cornerstone for fuck's sake after arts monkey sunday is is a big thing to me and just to think that like the it's all i feel i almost feel like it's an abuse of music like it almost feels like it's like you say like this kind of androidy sort of i'm gonna just use this to like make this shit song that no one will like in five years time but right now we'll cash it in and everyone's gonna have it all over their fucking tiktoks or whatever

and it's like oh like, it drives me mental. Fair enough. No, I'm absolutely with you on it. I mean, if you go back to the very first episode of Desert Island Dicks, he was one of my choices because I absolutely agree 100% with you. I can't stand him. Okay. What would your film choice be then?

You said Mamma Mia. Mamma Mia. What? Why? Why is that a thing? Like, I understand it was a Broadway show, right? But the story is ridiculous. A woman doesn't know who her dad is.

So she invites three geezers to a wedding. And I actually had to research this this morning because I got forced to watch this about 12 years ago or something. An ex-girlfriend's house, an ex-girlfriend's house clearly ex-girlfriend's house um and it was all her family and they were going to watch Mamma Mia and I was like I'm gonna go and she was like no you can't like you have to stay and watch this and it was one of the most excruciating things I mean Pierce Brosnan singing I mean ridiculous ridiculous. Anyway, but like the story's ridiculous,

but it's like you like, so you like the music of ABBA, right? Let's put that to one side, as problematic as that is to me anyway. You're that keen on the music of ABBA that you want to make a Broadway show slash later on film of it, that you, rather than just going,

we're going to do this ABBA tribute, you have to make this terrible storyline that links all these songs that don't have any correlation to a story to make this, like, honestly, it's literally, it's so wrong. And there's Mamma Mia too, right? There's a second one yeah yeah how many yeah but this is the other thing so like also it's the fact that it's abba there's and there's a very good reason no one's been made a mamma mia for

led zeppelin or jimmy hendrix or someone with any fucking credibility, they've had to pick ABBA, and they've just weaved this story, like they've just forced this terrible story. And it's like one of the highest grossing films of all time, right? It's full of fucking idiot pigs to slap up. And I just, I can't, I just cannot see how anyone in their right mind can sit through it. I just can't. Yeah. It's very weird, isn't it?

Like musicals that you have to be so detached, like your sense of disbelief has to be so detached to go watch a musical and sort of, you know, like everyone bursting into song and all that kind of thing. But at least if it's in a theatre, it sort of feels like you get away with it slightly more because it's, you know, everything is obviously pretend. You know, you can see that it's a set.

When they translate that into a film, it begins to get really, you know, you're really stretching the bounds of believability and ridiculousness. And when it's like, again, I've got a real thing about like cover songs and, you know, like obviously there are some really good cover songs and cover versions of songs and artists and stuff.

But when it's like actors singing ABBA, you're getting so low down the pecking order of what makes a song good. You know, it just doesn't wash. Also, I mean, in fairness, like, it's not the fact of everyone bursting into song I don't I don't mind a musical right I do I don't mind a musical I love a Disney film I love a Disney I love the songs but the songs are written for that film yeah do you know what I mean the film ain't written to to link up a load of songs that have never had any correlation to a story. Like if you, like, yeah, Disney films,

like you look at Disney films and all the films, all the songs fit the films and it's brilliant. Like everyone loves, you know, loves that. But when it's like, I mean, Dancing Queen, Super Trooper, Mamma Mia, what the fuck have they got to do with each other and they've woven this like tedious link shit Jeremy Kyle bullshit story together

to get those things in a thing just play the songs play the songs for that to be your only song as well you're going to be so stuck with it you're going to have it so if you're going to get the song stuck in your head um a bit matt hankock i reckon he's going to be really happy about i can imagine he'd really love yeah i'll tell you uh jose marino is going to get really cross but that's only going to make

him worse you know because you know you just don't want to make him even more angry and miserable um who knows what the trip of isaac he's just going to be there critiquing everything so he'll be he'll be saying how good it is he'll be giving it five stars all of it but yeah i think it's a bad one to be stuck with okay now uh finally the island is overrun by the biggest dick of all the animals which animal is it and why wasp a wasp yeah a wasp they're the only animal that has an agenda wasps don't do anything so a b right a b might sting you yeah but it's self-defense and the b goes out and they they'll die afterwards if they sting and they're going around they're pollinating all the flowers and they're doing their stuff wasps are just they're just they're just angry they're pissed off they're

constantly pissed off and like i'm like i'm a big bloke i'm like six foot two wasps scare the shit out of me if there's a wasp but like if i hear i'm like bobbing and weaving around like it's embarrassing it's embarrassing that this tiny little fly with a vendetta comes past me and it's like i'm on my knees straight away it's they're awful things there was a i remember years ago i worked at this pub the changing rooms was upstairs it was like a really really old. I think it was 12th century or something. It was built like really, really old. And we were up there getting changed. And there was about three or four of us,

all blokes like chefs. And there was this wasp, massive wasp, right? And we think it was a hornet. I know that's kind of like a man flu thing of like, it was probably just a big wasp. We all shit ourselves. No one would go back in there. Like no one's, everyone's refusing to.

And then Sarah in the pub walked in with a bit bit of tissue got it and just poked it straight away and you keep like you just killed it on the spot like squished it and it was just like i think probably that's part of my agenda is that my manhood was called into question so much that day um like honestly i've pulled over cars to get out of because there's a bit in it like they are they're horrible they are little shits aren't they though they're like they're sort of you're right they do just seem malevolent it feels like nothing's by accident with a wasp whereas like if a bee stings you you know it's like it's got to be pretty bad but a wasp you're like they're like yeah yeah come on you know what i can do fucking try it come on then mate you know exactly they go for you they

just they come towards you yeah and they don't really there's no like not you know like bees like they make honey it's just that's a nice thing to do for people you know i know it's not doing it for us but you know it just seems like such a cuddly sort of like industry for them to be involved in you know whereas like wasps what are they making like you know you can imagine if wasps made a product it'd be like vinegar or something you know like yeah yeah but too sharp to ever use in anything you know yeah battery acid i remember going to a friend's party once and uh they lived out in the countryside and um in the evening it was a big barbecue and his dad was making mojitos all evening for everyone and we're all really pissed and just leave left our glasses on the table outside and the next day in this hot summer day there was just every wasp in the whole world was on these glasses of like leftover sugary

booze in the bottom and it was like how do we clean this up it's like every wasp every glass has like six wasps in it you know i like where do you even begin with this like like there's not you just have to like leave it and hope they eventually get so high off sugar they piss off no they're the worst and i mean i hate as well that there's like these people who are like just so unafraid of them like that one always be as well because it's just like why can't i why can't i be like that and there's some people just like you ever seen it where you're like you'd be out sat in a beer garden or whatever and a wasp will land on one of your friends and you're like fuck you got a wasp on you and they're just like they just go like that and just gently

rush it like this kind of air of coolness that i can never have and it just like sort of buzzes off and like like they're just they've made this bond i would fucking shit myself i would burn the top i'd be like i'd be up the road no yeah fair enough well it just means that on top of an already shitty island you're never going to relax and you're just going to have a really a really bad time so it makes it makes a lot of sense so yeah you've done well here Tom you've picked a lot of terrible people and things and I think your island is going to be very uncomfortable which is of course the aim of the exercise so well done. Now we've got a sort of what they keep calling a roadmap I don't know why that phrase really annoys me but we've got a supposed path out of lockdown

now and your restaurant is sort of scheduled to open again. How's things looking with that? Yeah, it's good. Yeah, I mean, we're we're lucky that we've got like a really good sort of clientele that are really supportive. So we've our bookings have been good since we reopened. But again, yeah, you know, it's still as much as there's this roadmap i mean remember when we had an oven ready brexit deal you know i mean but it's it's it's a stupid catchphrase that i'm not entirely sure it's going to happen but hopefully um you know the 18th of may we're scheduled to open fingers crossed we we can and we can all get back to you know doing the things that we want to do and

seeing people we want to see and get back to normal life and people can keep in touch with you on sort of on instagram is that the best place to sort of see what you're up to and yeah totally yeah give us a follow on um at chef tom brown um you know we'll post a lot of pictures of food that we do if you if you fancy having a look at that so yeah i mean yeah this that's that's that's what we do really nice well tom thank you very much for joining us today it's been an absolute pleasure mate and hope all goes well with the reopening of the restaurant thanks for having me cheers pleasure Bye.