Desert Island Dicks - TIGA

Episode Date: April 5, 2021

Dan is joined by DJ, Producer, head of Turbo Recordings, and podcaster, Tiga, to talk about the worst people and things to be stuck with on a desert island, and they manage to talk about even more people and things than was strictly necessary for the format, so consider that a bonus. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Choose from hundreds of top podcasts offering host endorsements, or run a reproduced ad like this one across thousands of shows to reach your target audience with Lipson Ads. Go to lipsonads.com now. That's L-I-B-S-Y-N ads.com. Hi, I'm Dan from Desert Island Dicks, and today we're joined by Tiga. He's a DJ, producer, and head of Turbo Recordings, and he has a podcast called Last Party on Earth. And all of these things are worth checking out if like me you're a fan of electronic music. I've enjoyed his many releases and collaborations for a long time so it was great to get him on the podcast and I hope you enjoy it too. But look I

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I know those episodes have been a bit sporadic of late and we're sorry. I've just had a lot going on recently in my life. A small baby, moving house, mum in hospital. It's a big heap of grown-up shit all at once and sometimes time runs away a bit but we will be back so keep sending stuff in. But hey, if you're missing the double dose of me talking shit every week then I'm going to be the guest on a new podcast called Podcaster where hosts of podcasts answer questions posed by a computer. I'm not entirely sure when it's out, but I think it might be this week, so go and check that out and hear me just talking nonsense. Okay, that's the end of this bit and welcome to Desert Island Dicks,

the show that sees you marooned on a desert island after a plane crash with the worst people and worst things imaginable. Who they are and why they're a dick is up to our guest. And here to share their Desert Island Dicks with us today is international dj producer head of turbo recordings and podcaster tiga how are you doing hey how's it going good thanks it's uh it's good to have you on here yeah i'm really excited to be here it's nice to have a captive audience to to bitch about things you hate and you're in montreal as well so it's extra exciting because although it makes no difference to the listeners it's an international episode which i think always lends it a certain cachet sure yeah

I'm in Montreal far away now um so you go I mean you know you're an outspoken kind of guy I think you've got sort of firm opinions on on things and what you like and don't like so do you has this been an easy process for you picking who and what what you hate? Or is it hard to whittle it down? This is a lot harder than I thought it would be. There's a few reasons. I think I'm less annoyed by things than I used to be. Well, first of all, there's hate and annoyed. And they are kind of different.

I mean, you probably know. So I'm less annoyed with things in general lately. I think it's because I'm exposed to less. So when I was touring constantly or when I was out there in the real world, oftentimes tired or complaining or bitchy, I would have a million things at the ready. I'd be ready to just tell you that there's nothing I hate more in life than people who work for Air France or whatever it would be.

It would get quite minute. Now there isn't much exposure, so I'm really not as annoyed lately in general. Secondly, with the hate thing, I don't hate stuff as much as I used to, which I don't even know if that's a good thing, but I used to get a lot more animated and really pissed off about a lot more things.

I still have a lot, don't worry. But it was hard to, on the one hand, whittle them down. And on the other hand, I was kind of reaching for that real hatred. You know, you want those things that drive you up the fucking wall. So I was trying to remember. So, for example, like I saw that guy The Weeknd perform on the Super Bowl just a few weeks ago, and that drove me crazy. I hated it so much. Now that's a good example of a feeling I'm quite familiar with and I actually enjoy. It's quite inspiring when something just drives you to, you actually are creative because of how annoyed you are. So that's a good feeling

but it was tricky to narrow it all down and i got a lot of i don't even know if it's my finest work but i do have a lot of things here on a list that that i hate yeah fair enough okay well we'll get stuck into it and you know if you want to change your mind here or there or like you know make amendments we can always do that so don't worry um you know it's hard to whittle it down i've done it myself and i'm always thinking of people who i'd put on the island with me as well but who's going to be the first person you're going to who's going to join you on the island um so i'm going to start with i'll start basic with mark zuckerberg okay good um just because the people i'm choosing my only i guess they kind stand for, they're kind of like the pinnacle of a bunch of things I really dislike. Mark Zuckerberg.

So I have a real problem with what I consider to be, there's like a real global takeover by nerds right now. Real nerds. I mean, deep, deep nerds. And the pandemic's only made things worse. So it's like just tech overlords that essentially run the world. Now there's always been a group of people that run the world as pharaohs or robber barons or, you know, industrialists. I'm not, it's not that I'm saying one group is better than another, but this group has some particularly awful shit about it

that I just hate. Now Zuckerberg, so A, he'd be a nightmare to be with. I mean, there's no question. He's just, but really I just hate what he stands for in the sense that there's a lack of well-roundedness, you know, some of these crazy tech nerds with all this power. So I hate nerds with power, but Zuckerberg, there's like a darkness under there there's like some misogyny and but there's a lack of well-roundedness a lack of of enlightenment principles and this crazy arrogance and confidence that comes with the power and knowing you're kind of at this weird cutting edge and that you own facebook so all in all i mean i hate his hair i hate his face um he seems like he has no sense of humor which for me is a big one yeah and so what you're left with is is in a lot of ways the archetype of

most of what i dislike about the world and about people i think that's a good place to start i mean yeah he's like as close as you can get to a sort of an android i think and i just i kind of feel like with him they're these huge big decisions and it's all just based on such a frivolous crappy thing of like oh you think you're just sharing videos of kittens but actually we're stealing everything about you and it's like yeah it's just such an iceberg sort of effect of like with a real sort of twee surface but this whole dark underworld to it yeah i think it's also it's like you know when you think of the idea the ideal of justice for example of a judge you know the ideal is people that that have a lot of wisdom and a lot of experience in a lot of areas

and can make wise decisions and you have people like zuckerberg in char wild vast amounts of power but when you think about their their own experience and their own base of knowledge it's it's in a lot of ways very one-dimensional there's a lot of empathy missing basically and this will bring me to one of the other guys i don't want on my island but there's a lack of empathy and there's also like they need to get laid badly like in a deep deep sense like but but it's too late the damage is done because they didn't get they didn't get the attention they needed at an early enough stage so so it's all a little bit warped and out of balance anyway yeah but isn't that sort of how it started like when he was at harvard or wherever like it started as a way of like rating women yeah

it was a it was like a rating like a hot or not type type thing you know yeah which really which says it all really yeah i mean it started in a bad place and it's only kind of got worse yeah um yeah i just i mean i might have said this before on this podcast about him like what really bugs me is like like you'll have this thing of going i'm only i'm doing that steve jobs thing i'm only gonna have one outfit for the rest of my life yeah because and i saw an interview and he was going oh because i think it's frivolous wasting time on you know what to pick you know to wear in the morning and spending my time choosing my outfit and you're like you want to talk about frivolous your website just has pictures of what people had for fucking dinner mate or or or if i fine i accept his argument but that doesn't mean you have to look like shit i mean you

could be you could you could really really narrow it down to a uniform but still look like prince you know what i mean like you could yeah you know but don't don't the point is he's just a dork he's got no taste and those things can't change no amount of money changes it but to summarize no sex appeal no humor and those two things for me are you can't get far with an eye on an island with me you better have some jokes yeah i just i just think um yeah you're not gonna have any fun i think if you're stuck on an island with him there'll be some things that would be interesting to ask him like you know i mean he's like that's the thing that actually would there i don't know i mean because part of me thinks oh what are you talking about no these dudes are meant this guy's meant to be in the in the in the in the back room in the closet in the server room you're right actually because most

people who are sort of that famous and wealthy you think shit well tell me about the maddest thing you've ever done was him like i don't think anything will be interesting like he's not using any of that money to do anything fantastic or insane like no but it but it's it's because the thing is it's personality that's what it comes down to it doesn't and don't get me wrong i mean obviously like a lot of things i'm going to say you know there'll be someone out there thinking you know well i work in a server room fuck you to you but it's not it's not it's not there's nothing wrong with it but everything has a place it's only a problem when your position is so inflated that you then start to believe you can say things that exist outside of that server room yeah i mean so anyway we better move on okay see but it's good i'm getting i'm getting animated that's good yeah

yeah good well i think it's a strong first choice and um yeah i can't stand him but um who who's going to join you then on the island with him um you're pausing like you're choosing from a big long list there well yeah i mean you know there's it's the usual list there's some nazis there's adam levine there's dan bilzerian there's the weekend but i'm gonna go with uh i'm gonna go with russell brand okay yeah i think he's a bit of a classic in the annoying category so i'm i'm dipping back into the archives a little but i all he always drove me crazy like i'd be in england i'd see him on tv and i i just can't really think of someone more actually aggravating to be with yeah so it's not necessarily um but he ticks some boxes that

that zuckerberg doesn't in the sense that well oh god where do i start i just really don't like i don't like that style for one his voice super loud i hate i hate people that are loud uh he a hundred percent thinks he knows more than he does doesn't mean he doesn't know a lot but he thinks for sure he knows more than he does which for me is just the one of the worst sins i mean i don't find him funny um and to boot one thing he's got you know he's now he's and this is one thing he's got, you know, he's now, and this is super common, he's got this, and this truly disturbs me, he's got this like spiritual narcissist thing. It's like his mission and who he's saving and saving himself and his journey

and everything about that I find nauseating indulgent and symptomatic of of so much that is wrong entitled the entitlement it's so uncool and the fact that he see zuckerberg doesn't dress it up doesn't dress anything up he doesn't even think he's cool but the fact that russell brand you know like he walks into a room at a party and you know he thinks he's cool yeah and it's and it's tragic it's tragic and his voice his voice is incredibly aggravated he has this sort of thing of like because the luxury of being in a position where you you sort of could just decide to just sit in your room and and just sort of tell people about spirituality and then sort of have that as your living. All of these things, you didn't come up with any of

this spirituality either. You're just sort of... Or don't tell anybody. Yeah, yeah. But he's just sort of recycling other people's ideas. It's like, which is, you know, obviously it's fine. You can sort of tell people about other ideas that, you know, you didn't come up with and stuff. Yeah, but it's not fine. It's certainly not fine on my island. It's not fine to be a pathological sharer. Yeah. It's not fine on my island. They're not welcome.

I haven't even seen, I haven't seen or heard Russell Brand in like for sure five years. So this is all, this had time to simmer, but I don't know. And he's always, I don't know what he was on about last time. Well, anyway, he's a tough one.

But it's just enough to know that he's out there really is kind of aggravating. I mean, I remember hearing him bang on once about like, oh, you know, he just had a baby. And like, of course, he had to experience it in just this much more in-depth, intense way than I ever could. You know, and it's just like, look, I mean, I'm happy for you that it meant a lot. And obviously everyone's the birth of everyone's kids means a lot. But it's like, just just be happy to experience. Well, yeah, but to be precise, the birth of a child means something to that person. And it means absolutely nothing to other people. And if you can't tell the difference, you're, you're fucked up. Yeah. Yeah. But it's like another opportunity for him to kind of sort of go, look how much I experienced it. Look what I got out of it. This, you know, this like, you know, this visceral experience of human existence.

OK, we've all fucking been there most of the time. It's a shit show. It's not pleasant. I'm like, you know, you get a nice child out of it and that's good but um it's just there's there's a real like it's like a spiritual one-upmanship with him yeah yeah i don't like the other thing too is so for example like so he in the early days like there was a bit of a i guess he had a bit of a rock star vibe you know like how he dressed and his hair and a bad boy and that actually that's kind of fine i mean in a way that there's there's almost like a classic honesty to that role that's way less aggravating i mean i didn't like that either but that that wasn't that that didn't make my blood boil in the same way but i think if you're sort of going for the rock star thing it's kind

of all right to be a bit of a prick you know because that's what i mean that sort of like antagonizing swagger goes with that but like but the dalai lama doesn't have that for a reason you know because you can't you gotta pick a side yeah in the end the thing you know i have no problem with uh if people are kind of honest about who they are well there's no problem with me you can be flawed you can you can there's lots of people like that you know you can you could be an asshole you could be but somehow if there's a if you get the sense the person is just kind of being honest about it anyway there's um i spoke to comedian sindhu v on this and she came out with uh this this indian phrase which she applied it to russell brand and said it translates as the cat has killed a thousand

rats and now wants to go on pilgrimage and we've all got to hear about it and i just thought yeah that just seems perfectly perfectly suited to russell brand is russ is russell brand a common does he come up a lot on the show no no i think she had mentioned it and i just thought the um not you know we're very happy to take repeat entrance onto the island because I think, you know, you do the crime, you've got to do the time. But I just thought it's like it's almost like the sort of Indian scholars of yore had met Russell Brand and come up with a phrase to sort of to send down the generations for us to use about him, I think so. Yeah. But I think, yeah, just loud and antagonizing. And even in his quiet moments, I think would just be just too much. Just speak normally. Come on.

I mean, if you're talking about actually being on an island with someone, yeah, I don't think you can find much worse than that. Yeah. Also the vanity. Oh, it's so exhausting. Just like I'd be exhausted for him. you'd be tired for the other person yeah anyway yeah um yeah that's russell okay fair enough all right so he joins you and mark zuckerberg and who's the third person going to be joining you today i'm gonna put well he he's not radically different than that but you know that guy jordan peterson yeah yeah yeah so he's like a kind of pseudo-intellectual

i think he's actually canadian and he's like he became quite a big deal over the past few years and how do i say kind of an angry guy well i don't know why he just really rubs me the wrong way i've heard lots of i've heard him talk a few times he was on the sam harris podcast a few times and you know it's not he's come to kind of think, be quite popular with a lot of like angry white males kind of thing. And I don't know, I think just right now he just stands for something I really don't like. It's just a very, not a very charitable, not a very empathetic, not a very warm view of the world. And the fact that guys like him get seen with some kind of intellectual integrity and i don't know he but i was thinking specifically he would really really really not be fun you know

yeah funds you want people that are people that are like angry and tangled up and oh like on an island it's it's a disaster you need some vibes definitely and i think so i think someone like him he's gonna have so many kind of i don't know you'll say something about oh when we were back home and this happened and it would go and you believe that do you you believe exactly you know and you just go oh god we have to kill him he'd he'd you would you would be driven eventually to like murder you know yeah and i think we all knew we all knew kids like that at school yeah i think he's this also him and russell brent you know when you get like so you know we've all got like i could just walk away and they could just talk amongst themselves exactly like because i've i've got like you know we've all got opinionated

friends but you know sometimes when there's certain combinations of people like i remember i remember like getting ready for a party once with a couple of friends and they started arguing about something that was like quite a big question in life but no one was ever going to win because it was just like you know a question that can't be answered or something it was either something really big or something really trivial but there was no sort of answer and it was just open for debate and i remember like getting ready and just sort of ignoring them i was having some drinks and stuff and then going out to this party all night and then coming back to my flat and suddenly sort of tuning into them again and they were still having the same argument and i think that's what you're going to get with those two

it's like it's a nightmare i mean at least if one of them is there you can switch off and be like yeah yeah yeah all right whatever mate yeah no no i agree let's just say that it's all let's all just say it's a lie made up by feminists yeah yeah you're right okay fine yeah and there's such a what it all has in common is i mean there's just so many layers of bullshit yeah like like to them to certain types of people and you know just just to be clear i i myself you go through phases in your life when you're you you know, when you also are full of shit. I mean, it's happened to everybody and hopefully you learn and you grow out of it. But it might be a bit instructive to just see an example of like who I would like to be on an island with.

A hero of mine is a guy like Leonard Cohen, you know, who's just, yeah, he's just, there's wisdom, there's humility, there's empathy, there's intelligence, there's wisdom there's humility there's empathy there's intelligence there's humor there's all these things they listen um not so quick to judge and never sure of what never too sure of what you know you never know if you're the smartest guy in the room and it's safe to assume you're not you know and and all those things are anyway i just want to add one other guy i don't even know much about him but he drives me i hate jocks like i really yeah american muscle type like and that dan bilzerian guy really again the idea of me and him on an island together with his beard and his guns and his overconfidence and the muscles and the whole thing really for me is a big turnoff oh yeah definitely and like because there's such a sort of like there's such a toxicity with it yeah it's just so like it's over the top look at me with all these women but they're not really women to me you

understand they're just fucking objects like look at me and all my expensive vacuous play things it's unbelievable to me i mean the craziest thing about it all is when you just think of the person out there who loves him like that's great you know like like okay i'm saying oh my god i don't want him on island and then but like for every but then there's thousands and thousands of people like yes like yes he ticks all the boxes he made it i'm gonna and that's just anyway to each his own i don't know what's wrong with everybody well i think that's a good selection of people um can i just throw i think i always that guy from limp biscuit fred durst yeah real bad news hippies in general

super bad news oh man yeah men with like super ornate facial hair ridiculous game over um and any and any uh burning man people for sure like all burning man people and just last is anybody who's a bully that's my number one if you're a bully in any whether that's a donald trump bully or anybody that's the thing I hate most is bullies. So no bullies allowed on my island. I think these are very good choices. I feel like we might have to launch like second episodes of this podcast just to catch up and delve deeper into the full Tiga collection.

Yeah, yeah. Because I mean, if you'd have said those earlier, I could have gone on for a long time. I'm sorry. Well, no, but you spent a lot of time in Goa as a child, right? Hence my deep understanding. Yeah, and I spent a lot of time, I lived in Brighton on the south coast for a long time, which is where, you know, basically, I mean, I'd say 75% of people in Brighton have also been to Goa.

Okay, so you know. I know, yeah. of people in brighton have also been to go and it's okay so you know you know i know yeah i mean a lot of a lot of being dragged to psy trance parties and um yeah which is you know fine for a bit but yeah well i i the parties i got no problem with the music i got no problem with and look like anything obviously i'm dealing also in generalizations and stereotypes and and obviously it goes without saying there's always a percentage of people that are great you know for every you get 100 hippies there will be one or two amazing ones you know there'll be there's there's the real the real deal is somewhere in there but that's not what we're really talking about we're talking about people that wear

costumes you know like it's like burning man it's people that just sign up yes that's me i'm gonna wear that costume and i'm gonna and i'm gonna yell about it to the whole world and i'm gonna put on gladiator cuffs and dress like mad max and yeah and i'm and then talk about the environment i'm gonna do all this shit yes and you don't judge me and i won't judge you cool great we have a deal let's go go, you know, and suspect. Yeah, yeah. I think that's always the thing, isn't it? It's like, I have no problem if you have sort of what I think of as like hippie preferences

and sort of ideals of like, you know, being a good person, you know, open minded to all, you know, anti-violence. Of course. Quite a lot of it's like, you haven't got the right kind of sandals. So I kind of going to, you know, judge you on that. know but that's the crazy irony which is that that's what i mean so it's like i actually i grew up really like a hippie i mean i really grew up like that and actually probably a lot of my deep my real convictions lean that way but but for me the logical question is always why the rest like like why the accoutrements you know what you know people aren't always honest with what what is that really you know because it's not just the idea the idea

can exist without the rest the idea can can exist and and people oftentimes don't they get it obviously people get incredibly sensitive about this if you poke at hey why the outfit you know like like isn't the idea no no you get crazy pushback i mean i can't even say this to my friends but i've always been interested in that i've been interested in uh and why all that extra you know yeah no definitely i think yeah it's just anyone who's being judgmental on appearance and stuff but also kind of having a bit of a holier-than-thou attitude. It's sort of these two, you know, you've got to be all in or, you know, you can't say. Yeah, I would like to, I have to do one really important asterisk on this whole thing, which is the thing about the why the extra and why the outfit and why the costume.

And that only really starts, that does not apply to kids or teenagers so really what i'm talking about is like after like the age of 20 or whatever because when you're when you're a teen then it's completely different it's the reverse you you you desperately want to belong to a group in a lot of cases you want to display to the other people what you believe in you know hey look i'm a goth i love goth music and i dress like a and that's i think at that at that age it's 100 healthy and it's amazing it it heads into a little bit stranger territory when it's like the 55 year old like goldman sachs ceo dressed like beyond thunderdome that you that well you this is a a bit more problematic. So yeah, I'm not,

I'm not judging. I'm not judging kids or teens or young people. I was like that too. I dressed like a raver. It was important for me at that point. And that's, I think that's pretty natural. Yeah, no, I agree. I think that's fair. And I think it's a good selection of people. Okay. Now, obviously, you know, if you feel like anyone else brings to mind, do let us know. We're going to move on to the next. Like Dutch people? Sorry. Skip it.

I had a whole section of Dutch people. Anyway. You're welcome to go on to Dutch people if you want. Actually, I have a love-hate thing with Dutch people. I actually love, I mean, I love Dutch people, but there's a lot of Dutch people that are pretty annoying. I don't know if I know enough Dutch people. I mean, you know what? I'm going to give the Dutchies a pass because they're also very, very accomplished. There's a high, high highs and low lows, but I'm going to give them a pass. Pass the Dutchies. Okay. Fair enough. There you go. Nice. Okay. You're a podcast listener, and this is a podcast ad.

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Veal because I don't eat veal. I think it's just crazy cruel. Lobsters too. I don't, nothing where it's a baby. You don't have to kill, you don't have to kill babies for extra flavor. It's not necessary. I know that all animals are animals and I'm not vegan or anything, but I'm going to pick, I don't know if this counts, but cigars. I really don't like cigars and I'm not vegan or anything, but, but I'm, I'm going to pick,

I don't know if this counts, but cigars. I really don't like cigars. I think it's just ridiculous. Well, do you know what I'm not? And the idea of being honored with a big cigar is just so cigars and marzipan. Okay.

Well, I'm going to put them on as like, we're going to give you cigars. I'll put them on as like, cause it's something you might have with a meal. So I'll give you like an honorable, like extra to sort of finish off your shitty meal okay you get to have a cigar at the end of it i'm not a big uh i'm not a drinker and i'm not even a i'm not so into food i i don't i'm sure there's people who have really really strong opinions on those things

i don't i don't don't know much that's the best i could come up with no no it's good okay so veal i think the thing is with veal like i think i mean i've tried it before it's not something like you ever really see on restaurant menus much but i don't remember anything being remarkable enough about it to warrant the treatment of the animal because isn't the thing of like they used to sort of cage them up you know so they wouldn't move enough and stuff and it's like yeah there's all kinds of i mean it's not like you're eating the best steak of your life which would like you know so some stuff is cruel but people go oh yeah but foie gras is so good it's okay that they force feed these fucking geese i'm no on foie gras as well no i don't know i think a lot of look i think i'm not a vegan or anything like that, but I think a lot of those things are just a question of like awareness.

Once you know what's going on, you know, I think it's easier just to leave it alone. There's no point to add. There's a level of, I think it's a level of, sometimes when you really think about those things, you zoom out a little bit. It's quite perverse. Yeah. It's really, really, it's so intricate and kind of cruel and just bizarre that, I don't know, maybe it is best to leave it alone, you know, just to, if you have the option to. Yeah, I'm starting to lean that way myself. I had an interesting thing about a year ago. My son was three and he was asking me where different foods came from and he was saying oh like he's asking me what what plant sausages grow on i was like no sausages

come from pigs and he was like pigs make them and i was like yeah sort of you know i was like yeah well i might as well tell you now but um yeah fair enough and marzipan i think yeah it feels like it's it's like it's meant for modeling like clay but they've added flavor to it afterwards some people love it yeah some people love it i also hate whipped cream oh really that see that feels like something that's harder to dislike what's the thing i don't know why i don't think i've ever actually tasted it i just always remove it if it's there i remove it and i don't uh i don't like it i don't know because that feels more innocuous than like a strong tasting thing like marzipan yeah i got

nothing i got no no no interesting backstory i don't know just just don't like it fair enough i will add one thing i don't know if this matters but i hate like big portions okay that stresses me out so like i'm the opposite of a buffet person like i'm the so really really really big portions of food uh freak me out yeah so anyway well in this sort of like man versus food kind of like this is texas's biggest burrito can you handle it oh forget it i can't handle it okay the answer is no i'm the i can't handle any of that stuff no i just i just don't i just don't like it so so my nightmare scenario is is big quantities of of these things as well okay i think like going back to the cigar thing i just think on an island

that's one of those things like they just travel for miles like and it's going to obviously you've got dan bilzerian on who's going to have a massive cigar obviously because that's how he rolls yeah and it doesn't fit like other things like if someone's smoking in front of you you can sort of move away and it sort of doesn't bother you too much a cigar it will like follow you home almost i think it seems to me like that's almost the point of the cigar it's like the person's it it's so, the arrogance is mind blowing. But I guess that's the point of a cigar. I mean, it is, that's why I chose it. I don't like that symbol, you know, that's what it is.

It's like, I don't know, like you just won the biggest global game of Monopoly and you just spark up that big cigar. And, you know, I don't know. I'm not against, I like winning games of Monopoly. There's a lot of things I like uh I like the more undercover side of capitalist victory you know it's like it can be it it doesn't need winning should be enough winning and showing everyone you won is is vulgar I should add I've I've never actually had a cigar and I've never had a cigarette. So it's completely theoretical. I remember going on a school trip. I was about 17. I was studying French and we went to France.

And for some reason, me and one other guy got in a conversation about whiskey and cigars. And we were sort of, I think we were sort of feeling each other out. And both of us were trying to be cool and sort of go, oh, yeah, whiskey and cigars. They're great. I didn't, hadn't really, I'd never really tried a cigar oh of course not that's the story that's how the whole world goes around is guys top bullshitting other guys about things they hate and love and they haven't tried either yeah and then like having a cigar as well and i was like fuck and you could see both we were like yeah tonight when we get to this next town we're gonna have yeah whiskey and cigars and we

both got these fucking cigars and this whiskey and you could both just see like i could tell he was scared as well like there was this fear inside us because it was like drinking this booze that we didn't understand that we couldn't it was too strong at the time and then coupling that with like the strongest smelling thing that you can smoke and just like i i don't know how we got out of it in the end just sort of like i don't know i had to like drop it on the floor or something like oh i don't know how we got out of it in the end just sort of like i don't know i had to like drop it on the floor or something like oh i can't smoke it now but just really like feeling like okay your number's up like you've got nowhere to hide now you've both wanted this you've been going on about it all day on the coach like a pair of twats and now you can't back down now yeah i

mean i like the they sort of they're one of those things when you're growing up they look sort of like oh that looks like fun but they're just they last forever they last for like an hour as well so even if you sort of think oh i think i'd quite like that you get like 10 minutes in you're like i still got this fucking thing to smoke it's just no i don't know i i have to say that they they are in a category of things of which i mean my temptation level has been zero yeah yeah like it never even hit point one it's zero i never once not as a seven-year-old not now never once was uh even remotely interested did you did you want to add a drink onto the island are we gonna put i got no i got no i couldn't think of a drink that i don't like really i mean i don't i don't know i mean i mean there's lots of drinks i don't like but

nothing to the point that i mean if if it did come down to this was the only drink on the island is that the idea kind of yeah just yeah the worst thing you could be stuck with really well if i had to be stuck i would not want to be stuck with like grappa or or oh man yeah you know i mean that would be pretty bad like you know i'm not a drinker i don't drink at all i don't like i don't really like any hard alcohol but definitely i don't know although maybe that would come in handy eventually i don't know no i got no strong feelings on drinks okay all right well we're going to move on to entertainment now obviously an area you know about but you won't be without entertainment on the island because the planes entertainment system continues to work but just your luck it only has two working settings one is your least favorite film of all time and the other

is your least favorite song what are they and why fuck well one thing i'd like to just add is i despise music played on airplanes it's been a while since I've been on a plane, but I remember, you know, sometimes they decide to, they just have like a couple of songs on loop and that just drives me crazy. So worst, it's hard. I hated that Queen's Gambit, you know that show? Oh yeah, yeah, I saw a bit of that.

That one got me pretty pissed off. I really didn't like it yeah and uh face off i don't think i ever even saw face off but i'm gonna go with face off just because the just the the concept i mean just travolta and nick cage switching faces is just although that kind of amused me no i don't know i don't know one of those that kind of feels like such a 90s thing looking back you know when it's like a simple world we lived in but you know like an acceleration of action films is getting more and more ridiculous and it was like with james bond as well there's a point with pierce brosnan it's like okay we've

made a car invisible that can climb walls. Where do we go from here? We have to just stop at some point and scale everything back. It was like, you know, with like all the Batman films. It was like a summit where all the action films went, okay, we've got to try and bring it in somehow because this is getting silly. And when you've got Travolta and Nicolas Cage swapping faces. Yeah, that one is, I would have loved to been there for the pitch, you know. Because the pitch literally, for sure, I mean, that is it. It's like is it it's like i can get nick cage oh really oh i can get travolta

hey how about they switch face done green light go we got a winner yeah i don't know but i have a i have a tough time with i actually really have a tough time with movies i find uh i don't know i find so many movies start good like the premise is good like and then they just fizzle out yeah i don't know i'm quite good at switching off films halfway through you know just thinking oh forget this i'm not gonna i can do that too i find it's interesting how like i'm i'm really critical with books like a book i really really i i can't tolerate a crappy book and I'll drop it immediately. And then like movies, I'm a little bit more willing to kind of, okay, it's stupid. It's action, whatever. And then, and music, I'm a lot, I think music in a way,

maybe I have music I'm willing to tolerate some things that are a little bit more ridiculous because they're fun or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I i think i think the music though it's not as it's different with music i think yeah because it's not like a big investment on your time you can listen to a tune you know you can choose how much you tune in or out to it yeah that's true sometimes you can have a second pass and you go actually yeah that's i listen to it in the car it sounds great or when i've heard it when that's on the soundtrack it's good but yeah film you're like right so i've got to sit here and behave

and just sit here staring at this thing and you've got to entertain me for a bit. Yeah. Okay. It is true. Well, we'll say Face Off because it was just an insane, ridiculous film. And being stuck with that, like, that was one at the time you could have watched it. That'd be disturbing. I mean, if you just knew that's what you had to go back to every night to watch,

it'd be suicide material right there. And you're just going to pick so many holes in it. It's just going to get worse and worse and worse. It might get funnier for a bit, but then it's just going to get worse again. I think it'd be very depressing to know that's what you have. Yeah. All right. So now, as both a DJ and a producer, obviously, you know, you've got strong feelings on music. Is it possible for you to pick a worse song to be stuck with?

I really had trouble with this one, mainly because, you know, I wanted to find some really clever answer, you know, but but an honest answer of a song that from day one, I hated it. Day one, really hated it. I hated the guy. And this song, for whatever whatever reason has kind of survived it's kind of like it's almost thrived in a bizarre way even though it's 25 years and i still hate it and there's no guilty pleasure there's no ha ha there's no irony uh but i despise rick astley never going to give you up yeah yeah i mean i hate at the time so in i think that's like mid-80s and there was a lot of music i really loved i was young and i remember even at that time being like this is shit like yeah this is commercial crap it was it was so soft and i felt

like it was made for grown-ups it was so middle of the road, so innocuous, so fake. And he seemed like up until then, like, I remember just, you know, pop stars, there were people that you felt a bit of danger or you felt like, Oh wow, I'd like to meet. And then here's this dude who just like, no way. And it drove me crazy. I hated it. And the song it's kind of survived. Like it's still around. It's, it just became, I guess it was such a monster hit and the tone of his voice and everything it stands for and there's there's not a single thing i can extract from it that makes me feel good or pleasurable and and and it also stands for everything i really dislike so it would be uh that's a good one yeah i think because it sort of had the resurgence with like rick Rick Rolls and stuff, didn't it?

And, like, I think it didn't even, like, it was like a meme where you'd kind of, I don't know, they'd just insert him into loads of stuff and it was called getting Rick Rolled, you know, so they'd, like, click on this link and then, you know, oh, it's fucking Rick Astley. Oh, you got me. It was like, I think even a Foo Fighters got him on stage once as a kind of ironic thing. And it's like, don't do that, guys. No, well, I just, you know, irony know irony only go i mean the sound of his voice and and it's just it just deep deep i mean deeply deeply deeply uncool rick astley feels like to me the kind of person who when he was a

kid was like he'd go to a party and only talk to the parents i don't think he ever was a kid he doesn't look i don't think like it seems impossible to imagine him as a kid. Anyway, I don't know anything about the guy. I've never seen an interview. I, you know, for all I know, he could, I have no idea. Maybe he was a really great guy who got stuck with a teen pop machine. I have no idea, but it's awful music.

Well, it was kind of that, the production house Stock Aitken and waterman who did like loads of them yeah so yeah i think so okay i think so so they did some good records they did they did dead or alive records and i mean i think they did some good stuff as they did good stuff as well anyway the point is i i there's always you know uh looking at a pop song as some strategic kind of like military accomplishment yeah there's always that like you know oh we're gonna make this a number one or we're gonna we found but that is nothing to do with with what you're hearing when you're 12 years old or or or now for that and again to get back to the actual island i mean that's a hellscape. It's like Russell Brand and he's smoking a cigar

and Rick Astley's playing on the loudspeaker and you throw me some marzipan or whatever. Shit's looking really grim. I will say that the Rick Astley thing, so I've always loved, I mean, most of the music I love is English and the football teams I love are English and James Bond's English and all these great things. But I did always think too that England had a, England has like a dark side in a way when it comes to pop,

you know, there's this real, I don't, you for sure know the, how to describe it better than I do. I don't, but there's this real saccharine layer that, that they all seem to like in a way like like where it's kind of acceptable to like it and and from i guess every country has its version for me though i always thought that stuff was like whoa it's crazy bad you know i feel like people kind of go okay well this thing is working at the minute how many more in a similar sort of mold can we start pushing out you know it's almost like oh we use this machine to make this thing uh let's just keep it going it says we can only use it for this many of that product but let's just crank it up a bit more and just towards the end things are still coming out in the same sort of shape but they're a bit floppy they're a bit sort

of like jagged around the edges you know it's not and it feels like he's kind of on that you know there was other stuff that happened around that era that was so good that like you know like if you sort of took that rick astley song and you kind of broke it down into its consistent constituent parts you could be like well look there's this drum sound that was really popular in the 80s and there was this and there's you know but you put them all together with rick astley and it's just shit you know it you know well the thing yeah but it's a little bit more sinister than that because you know rick assley is deliberately he's anodyne you know it's it's deliberately white bread it's like it's it's it's deliberately it's like politics it's more like a candidate you know he's deliberately seen as sufficiently non-threatening sufficiently i don't know white know, white or whatever it is, you know,

and that the bottom line is the common, the common ground between Rick Astley and Dan Bilzerian and all this stuff that I don't like is what it always comes down to is you're a kid, you're 11 and you see Rick Astley. And for me, it's always been the same. Or when I see some of these other people and you're thinking, why? It's like, that's what stresses me out is why? What is wrong with the universe? How is this happening? Why? Why is this thing that I'm convinced is shit,

but the messages I'm getting from the world are not consistent because he's up there. He's on the TV. He he's, he's president of the United States. He's, and that, that's the common thread that goes with everything that you find aggravating or annoying or whatever. It's, it's that, it's that you can't, you can't reconcile what you think with what the masses think or, or whatever. But that ultimately is the lesson is that is that the big numbers speak differently you know yeah you can't you can't you can't always get it your way prince can't be president no no yeah but then yeah i guess maybe that's if we're to look at it in a positive light

maybe that's the thing that pushes some of us to go and find things that aren't yeah you know and you're like a hundred percent need to find something with a bit of edge or grittiness or something yeah a hundred percent and also too i'm not so cool either in the sense that like you know, and you're like, I need to find something with a bit of edge or grittiness or something. Yeah. A hundred percent. And also too, I'm not so cool either in the sense that like, you know, to be totally honest, you want it that way a little bit too, because when you find your, you know, you like, I like the fact that whatever, when I was the first kid in my school, I'm really into nine inch nails and the other kids hate nine inch nails, you know, like there's also a, that, that is important as well so yeah i guess this is just the way it is we need things to dislike and things to like and they

feed off each other but yeah if all you've got to sit if all you've got to stare you in the face is these things that we hate and you just know that there's things out there and there's nowhere else to find them yeah okay now tiga finally the island is overrun by the biggest dick of all the animals which animal is it and why well the obvious answer i guess is like mosquito but it's too boring i was gonna say pugs good choice dogs pugs yeah yeah because well first of all i want to pick a dog because dogs can bark and that would you know sometimes you're somewhere beautiful and you hear a dog barking and it's really aggravating but also i find i don't get pugs like i find them ugly um bulldogs too i just find them ugly like i i don't

you know they're not beautiful and then you got the owners who just are like, oh my God, my pug. Like they think they're the cutest thing in the world. These pushed in weird alien faces. And bulldogs drool. And like, I know they're two different breeds, but you know, these dogs are like, they can't even breathe properly. They've been bred to have these, they don't breathe right. They drool. And people are like, oh my God, my beautiful.

And the whole thing to me it seems uh perverse yeah because it's like i love this thing so much that i'm happy that it's been bred to have respiratory problems from birth you know and like yeah or or or even darker i so want this to be different i'm willing to bend the laws of nature to anyway look i don't know obviously there's lots of people just have these dogs they love them but i i don't know i always they bother me i don't find them cute i don't know them personally i'm sure they're they're nice as dogs but the idea of a bunch of pugs on my island is annoying but they're so i saw one in the park the other day and I heard this sort of

sniffling grunting thing behind me I was like is there someone like running but having a heart attack behind like some jogger that's really exactly and I was like oh it's this little pug and it's like at what point do you think it's all right and like and when that one dies you'll get another one you know and it's like yeah it's like you can tell it's messed up you know like people you might think that like a big poodle shaved into a funny shape, like a hedge looks funny. But I kind of like those. Yeah, but that's sort of one thing. But it's not like the way you shape them.

You know, that's not like fucking up. It's not like having trouble breathing. I quite like those like super the real classic like cartoon poodle. I think that's pretty. I kind of respect that move i like that they were sort of owned by french aristocracy who probably looked quite like a poodle with sort of wigs and all the sort of pom-poms everywhere and stuff like that so that kind of i like that yeah that's so in your face it's like fine but also that's just a haircut it's not like yeah

exactly it's like you know like it's fine to get tattoos and piercings but when you're like the guy who's like cut half his nose off just to push it a little bit further you're like well you know maybe ears that's one of the worst things in the world don't so then it's kind of like have an earring fine but like you've sort of disfigured yourself a bit there mate you know like and and it's same with pugs you're like look have a cute dog have a small dog have one that isn't very good at running but like you've mashed its face yeah it's too much it's come on humans but the thing is the thing about all these things it's all really everything we're talking about is the same the the giant hanging earlobe the crazy ass pushed in dog face like the the question to ask yourself is what is it replacing like what what space in your mind what could have happened how do i say this all that time and energy and thought about making

your earlobe right it's your ear it's just an ear it's nothing it's just it's skin but you've decided no no no no this is where i'm going to invest in this i'm investing in my earlobes i'm i'm actually this is how this is what i'm doing now i'm going for it and i'm gonna find the best earlobe cutter or whatever they are and i'm gonna be a modern primitive and and then i'm gonna heal it and put things in it and obviously i need the audience i'm not doing this alone so all of that when you add that all up okay it's pretty inoffensive right you're not you're not really hurting anybody so that's fine but but what is it replacing all that time and energy what what could you have done with

your mind that wasn't that maybe wasn't so i don't know self-referential and and maybe a little i don't know again there's there's a time and a place for everything but i'm not a big fan of those hanging ear things i don't get it i really don't obviously it's crazy they should do that on the dog i should have a bulldog with the big canister ears. I was thinking, yeah, can we just have the two combine and just sort of make a sort of, yeah, cyberpunk inbred dog. But that's the beauty of Burning Man, which is every once in a while I'll see something where it's like this gigantic living Venn diagram

of everything that drives me crazy. And I kind of have to tip my hat to it. When you see it done to such perfection, diagram of everything that drives me crazy and i kind of have to tip my hat to it you know when you see it when you see it done to such perfection yeah yeah you know if you're going to do anything do it the best if you do something the best then i'm cool with it so anyway the burners they're called burners aren't they they are like a name they are it's not like you just went you're called a thing now yeah my brother's a burner so i have some inside now you know anyway look i'm sure like a lot of these things you know if i if someone actually

dragged me out there and i went i'd probably end up having a great time and who knows maybe i'd be a burner you know i don't know but it seems a little seems a little excessive right now but anyway it's like do you really need a monocle mate come on get some glasses you don't need that i don't know i just think i don't have too many questions for people well to take the other side of the argument i guess the monocle person also could everything i'm saying the monocle guy could just be like well what the fuck is your problem like who cares i'm wearing a monocle because it's fun you know that is a valid argument and you know we've all enjoyed mad max but i don't know i just i think where the argument breaks down is when you take a photo of yourself in the monocle and share it with everyone. That's, I think, where things start to start to change a little.

It seems to be a lot about lenses. It's either like a monocle or like some goggles or like, you know, glasses without lots of extra little lenses that are hinged on and they can sort of like flick in. But in Burning Man, I think it's because of the dust. they all they all wear like okay it's purely fun it's purely function obviously it's functional and the top hat is for cooling your head you know of course the hot air gets trapped low and gradually rises yeah yeah okay well that's fair enough then i will i will say one thing in defense of burners which is when that burning man thing happens every year i don't know you know and like they're out there you know dressed as whatever like mad max and and like we're here you know on our computer laughing like they're probably really having more fun yeah so yeah so i mean in fairness to the joke you know

i can say whatever i want but like the guy with his giant monocle riding a unicycle through the desert whatever he's probably he's having a good experience yeah yeah uh you know live and let live yeah i say that hosting this podcast well you know what they're not i don't i it's a complicated thing i don't think those two things are mutually exclusive i really don't i don't think i think you can have you know because the key is is you can also change your mind right you know you can you can end up one day i could end up meeting russell brand and who knows maybe he convinces me that i'm the one who and that's fine and then so you can you can have strong opinions and then change them. And in a weird way, I do think I'm like that. I am kind of live and let live.

And at the same time, I got a bunch of opinions, but totally aware that, you know, probably 49% of them could be wrong. I don't know. Maybe all of them. Fair enough. Fair enough. I think that's, well, I don't know.

I mean, if we can all admit that we're prepared to have our minds changed now and again, I think the world could be don't know I mean if we can all admit that we're prepared to have our minds changed now and again I think the world could be a tiny percent more bearable you know rather than black and white all the time anyway well Tigger listen I think you've done a great job picking like a lovely selection of things that are going to make your life unbearable on this island so uh so well done well done thank you for coming on now um look obviously you know you're a dj producer so like the last year has been a bit of a shit show i guess in terms of touring and stuff but what are you up to at the minute well how's things looking um things are

looking i don't know i'm in my house it's been a year um i think i mean things specifically for touring and stuff, I imagine, so I haven't done a show in just over a year. I, if I was guessing, I think my first show would probably be August or September. I think it's a chance maybe of a little bit of travel a little bit before that, but I don't anticipate anything before July or August. And yeah, it's been like a lot of people in music or creative people it's been yeah it's been pretty radical and and at the same time you adjust and you get used to it and

I don't know some days or some a lot of the time is great and you have time and you have things that you didn't have before and grass is greener etc then there's times you're like, what the fuck? Really? Like I had this whole amazing life set up and it's, and it's changed. And, but like everybody, you, you, you know, you take it, you have to be patient and you have to, you know, I think I'm quite optimistic in general. Like I'm optimistic just about the future, whenever exactly that is. I think people are, are going to just, people are just going to appreciate being together so much on such a gut human level. Like the real life, going to a pub with friends, going to a game with friends, going to a party,

those things are just going to feel so good. Um, it'll be like Lester when you guys won the title, global, global, uh, Lester title winning year. No, I think it's going to be. I think it'll, in the end, hopefully, there'll be some positives to it. Yeah. And in the meantime,

until your sort of people can see you in real life, you know, you've got your podcast as well. Yeah. So a podcast called Last Party on Earth. It kind of goes in chunks it's like eight episodes at a time we're up to about 20 episodes you can find it on apple or spotify or basically everywhere where their podcasts and i talk to djs and musicians about playing their last party on earth but we usually just end up talking about life and career and creativity and stuff and then i have my patreon so you go to www.patreon.com slash tiga and that's uh it's a

membership service it's a monthly thing which has additional podcasts as well as dj mixes exclusive tracks a bunch of goodies if you're into my music and stuff like that yeah and uh that's it yeah well as someone who is into all your music and stuff like that yeah and uh that's it yeah well as someone who is into all your music and the guests that you have on that podcast i can recommend it it's this really good listen and uh and the patreon like i think if anything you're like over delivering on that and like this sounds like something i agree i'm like no i agree blowing smoke up your ass but i was like you know like i signed up because i was like oh you did a couple of teasers going oh you can listen to more from that podcast on my page and i was like fuck it ah he's got me and i went on i

was like shit this is loads more than i'd expect so like you know fair enough not that i want to dissuade you from putting more up no no i i tend to well it was a new thing you know and and and i wanted to launch yeah i just wanted to make people i wanted i'm happy you say that basically because i wanted people to feel like you know i didn't want people i didn't want people at all to feel it's like a rinse out you know i didn't want it to feel like that at all and and i figured yeah i had some time and i had lots of things built up and i thought it was a nice thing to do and i'm very happy with it actually it's it's a nice feeling it's like a little yeah it's it's like a it's a fan club in a way and

what's cool about it is once you have people in you're not like fighting for their attention it's not like instagram or whatever you know you you have people that are they're into what you do and you release something and you get great feedback and i i quite like it yeah well i think it's really good but thank you by the way i that's very nice of you to say that. And it makes me feel good. Good. Well, I'm very happy. And yeah, it's great to have you on here. I've been a fan for a long time.

And now we can be best friends forever. So that's, you know, it's a relief that we finally crossed that. Exactly. Finally got it over with. Okay. Well, thanks again, Tigger. Appreciate it. Thank you very much.