Dhru Purohit Show - The Pregnancy Nutrition Blueprint: How Stable Blood Sugar and Key Nutrients Build a Healthier Baby with Jessie Inchauspé aka The Glucose Goddess

Episode Date: March 18, 2026

This episode is brought to you by Puori, Fatty15, Our Place, and Branch Basics. When it comes to pregnancy, most advice focuses on what to avoid. But what if the real conversation should be about what actively builds your baby’s brain and long-term health? Today on The Dhru Purohit Show, Dhru sits down with Jessie Inchauspé to discuss the four building blocks of pregnancy nutrition. Dhru and Jessie dive into the hidden impact of glucose on your baby’s developing brain, the pregnancy nutrition myths that need to go, and the overlooked nutrient that helps wire memory before birth. They unpack nausea and food aversions, share simple glucose hacks every pregnant mom should know. Jessie also highlights the protein mistake most moms don’t realize they’re making, explains the connection between glucose, inflammation, and the brain cells few people talk about, and breaks down the truth about “eating for two.”   Jessie Inchauspé is on a mission to translate cutting-edge science into simple, practical tools for better physical and mental health. As the founder of the popular @GlucoseGoddess account, she shares life-changing food habits with hundreds of thousands of people. In her bestselling book Glucose Revolution, she uncovers how blood sugar shapes everything from cravings to fertility and offers easy, science-backed hacks to optimize it, without giving up the foods you love. In this episode, Dhru and Jessie dive into:  (0:00) Intro (2:13) The hidden impact of glucose on your baby’s brain (10:00) Pregnancy nutrition myths that need to go (12:10) The overlooked nutrient that helps wire memory (18:18) Nausea and food aversions (19:46) Simple glucose hacks every pregnant mom should know (31:24) The fish debate: what actually matters for baby’s brain (34:43) The protein mistake most moms don’t realize they’re making (39:41) Glucose, inflammation & the brain cells no one talks about (44:30) Dhru opens up about his wife’s pregnancy journey (47:31) Are you really “eating for two”? The calorie truth (53:30) How Jessie feeds her son (and why it matters) (55:20) What Jessie would do differently before getting pregnant (1:00:20) The protein powder Jessie personally uses Also mentioned in this episode: 9 Months That Count Forever  Autism Prevention 5 Days a Week For more on Jessie, follow her on Facebook,  X/Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, or visit her Website. This episode is brought to you by Puori, Fatty15, Our Place, and Branch Basics. Quality protein matters. Get 32% off Puori Grass-Fed Whey Protein and a free shaker when you start a subscription at puori.com/DHRU and use code DHRU at checkout.  Fatty15 is offering an additional 15% off its 90-day subscription Starter Kit. Go to fatty15.com/dhru and use code DHRU to replenish your C15 levels for long-term health. Reduce your toxic load by upgrading your cookware! Go to fromourplace.com today and use promo code DHRU at checkout to receive 10% off any order. Right now, Branch Basics is offering 15% off the Premium Starter Kit; just go to branchbasics.com and use the coupon code DHRU. Make 2026 your cleanest, healthiest year yet with Branch Basics! Sign up for Dhru’s Try This Newsletter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jesse. Drew. Welcome back. Thank you so much. Oh my gosh. Our lives have changed in the most beautiful ways. Yeah. Congratulations on your baby boy.

Thank you so much. And you the same. Yes. I'm super happy to be a dad. And we're going to be having a conversation today that's going to go through a lot of this topic. But tailored to this world of preconception, conception, and what families, women and men need to know about raising. And society. And society.

Because there's a lot of changes that need to happen in society. around raising the healthiest babies that we can and having them tap into their potential. Is that how you think about it? Yeah, I think about it in that way. I feel like it's about how do we make sure that our kids are more resilient because they're going to come out in a world

with a lot of processed fruit, a lot of chronic disease. So what are small things we can do during pregnancy that can ever so slightly make them a bit more resilient and a bit less vulnerable to disease later on in life? Yeah. I think it's time for story time because you've been talking about glucose for a while now.

How many years has it been? Seven. Seven years. And yet still, it wasn't until you went on your fertility journey, some ups and downs through that journey, that you walked away with some insights after looking at the literature of, whoa, this conversation is even much deeper than this trend, this movement that you started. In the past, I was thinking about glucose as this thing that you personally impact.

with what you're eating and it's all about you, you, you, you, and your diseases, your disease, and your health, you're your, your stuff. And now I've realized through the pregnancy science that actually when you're pregnant, your glucose levels, your blood sugar levels are also impacting your baby in the room and also potentially programming his own glucose levels for life. So it goes much beyond just your own mental health and your own physical health. It actually is a generational transmission of glucose levels. Yeah, and a lot of people don't realize this.

You talk about this in the book, and I didn't realize it until I, interviewed a researcher in the space, but a woman's body is actually designed to tap into being more insulin resistant during pregnancy. And that's a good thing. Tell us why. Yes. Glucose is your body's energy, right? And when your baby is developing in your room, he also needs energy to create his organs,

his immune system, his brain. I mean, that's a pretty energy, expensive thing to do. And so you as the mother, you are giving your baby the glucose that he needs by the fact that the placenta is connecting your bloodstream and your baby's bloodstream. And so day in day out, from the second trimester onwards and the placenta is in place, your glucose levels become your baby's glucose levels. You are powering his cells and his brain via your blood sugar levels. And so evolutionarily, it's important for the mom to have a lot of glucose in her bloodstream

so that the baby gets as much glucose as he needs. So what happens in a female body, it's pretty fascinating. As pregnancy progresses, the female body tries to keep more and more glucose in the mom's bloodstream so that the baby can take what he needs. And what does that look like? It looks like if you have the same exact cookie every month during pregnancy. And I have this test, by the way. I have the glucose data to show you.

The glucose spike of the cookie becomes bigger and longer as pregnancy progresses. So if in the first trimester a cookie leads to a... blood sugar rise and a blood sugar drop, that exact same cookie at month 9 leads to a higher spike and most importantly, a much longer spike. The glucose of that cookie stays in the bloodstream for so much longer. And this is on purpose. This is a physiological response. Your body is saying let's not store this glucose away like we usually do into our fat cells, our muscles and our liver. No, no, no. Let's keep it in the bloodstream. And how does your body do that by? making you more insulin resistant as pregnancy progresses.

So for the same food, you're going to see bigger spikes. Now, back in the day when most of our glucose came from things like roots or fruit, which are pretty low in glucose, it made sense, right? You want to optimize any amounts of glucose you're getting for your baby. But today, when it's very easy to just go to Uber Eats and order a bunch of ice cream, that biological mechanism is backfiring because there's a very easy. during pregnancy, you're getting really big and unnaturally big glucose spikes. And now you combine that with the fact that during pregnancy, you're more likely to crave sugar.

There's this thing going on in our brain that we think is the same what happens in animals, which is that you get more dopamine for the same amount of sugar you consume during pregnancy. Again, to encourage potentially pregnant females to eat more sugar. But today, our food environment is laden with sugar. So as pregnancy progresses, you're getting bigger glucose spikes and your baby is also feeling those glucose spikes. So pregnancy is a very important moment when you need to learn about your glucose levels and put some small hacks in place to keep those spikes to a normal range and not go into a very unnatural high range. Yeah, super important conversation. I think that when I had heard that you were writing this book and then ultimately you guys sent us a copy to check out, I couldn't help but to think about the fact that we also are living.

in Western society in this context, besides the fact that sugar is so abundant in all different forms, not just roots and fruits, we also are living in a society that women having babies, families are having babies a lot later on. And already, you know, it was funny the first time that my wife, she's not in the medical sort of wellness field originally. Now she is the first time that she was on the border that she had heard that she was on the border of having geriatric pregnancy. which is like the worst word in the world. But then talking to her friends who were doctors, who also had kids, and said, yes, listen,

when you have a baby a little bit later on, there are things that are slightly more likely to end up happening. You are at a higher risk for X, Y, and Z. And when you combine those things, we live in this abundant environment of just sugar, pollutants, other things like that everywhere. A lot of insults on the body. And then families having babies much later on,

we are seeing a whole host of things. I had five friends give birth in the last year, personally, that I know. And I would say like four of them, all the moms went through suffering from preclampsia. Yeah. Just was reflecting on that as I was going through your book. Any thoughts about that?

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science knows today and what parents are actually told. I think one of the main things that we hear today when we're pregnant is, first of all, you have a bun in the oven. Yeah. Which kind of gives you the sensation that you have no power, no agency. You're just like an oven. You're just waiting and making it hot that your baby grows, you know? And you're not told as a pregnant woman that you have a lot of power and you're actually co-creating your baby's plan. So your baby has a DNA that's set at conception. But then what you're doing, doing pregnancies actively like tweaking his DNA, setting up his metabolism, like you as the mom are the co-creator of your baby. And I think there's a lot of negative talk about Don't eat sushi.

Don't drink alcohol. Don't do this. Don't do this. Don't do this. Come to the ultrasound. Do this. Do that. And you feel a bit out of control.

But nobody's telling you, hey, did you know that if you just have a few more eggs a day? And if you have enough protein and if you take some omega-3 supplements, you can have a positive impact on your baby's development. So I think the overall emotional charge of pregnancy has skewed too far into the fear-mongering and not enough into like, hey, these are the superpowers that you have as a pregnant mom. And you should be using them. instead of just being scared of everything and washing all your vegetables 25 times with vinegar, you know? So, listen, I hope that this book is going to be a nice guide for parents that's going to help them navigate, not only the fearmongering, but also the pressure that we feel when we're growing another human being. Like, I personally felt a lot of pressure when I was pregnant.

I was like, am I doing things right? Like, I felt guilty. It's complicated. And then emotionally, for me, it was very charged because I had a miscarriage. So I was super anxious. And then Instagram was bombarding me with like information, do this, do that. Ah, you're just like, oh, my God, it's so much stuff. And so I just went back to the studies.

And I looked at what were four simple things I could do that would have a real impact on helping my baby develop as best as he could and a real long-term impact on his risk of disease. Yeah. Let's talk about some of those. Is Colleen one of them? Yeah, coline is the first one. So chlorine is an important molecule that builds our baby's brain.

and specifically it builds the parts of the brain that have to do with learning, memory, and attention. So very important aspects. And coline comes mostly from animal foods. Eggs are a wonderful source. Liver is also a strong source, but a lot of people say liver is not good during pregnancy. And then meat, fish, chicken contain some chlorine. In the plant kingdom, the plant has the most chlorine is soybeans. But really, it's more abundant in animal foods.

And when you look at the data, you see that if you have very low coline levels during pregnancy, then your baby is at a higher risk for actual brain defects that could end in miscarriage. And in animal studies, when you remove chlorine from the mom's diet entirely, brain development stops early, and there are fewer neurons that are being formed. So we know chlorine is very important to grow a baby. But the thing drew is that today, because of the food system we live in, 90% of pregnant moms are eating a diet that doesn't contain enough chlorine. 90%.

They don't even reach the bare minimum that is recommended, meaning 450 milligrams a day. And it's not their fault. Just nobody tells them. And our food is just processed high sugar food that doesn't contain any chlorine. So the first thing we want to do during pregnancy is to make sure we have that chlorine. The easiest way to do it, four eggs a day. Because each egg contains 125 milligrams of chlorine. So if you have four eggs every day, you've got plenty of chlorine enough for your protein.

your baby's brain to develop. I mean, of course, the brain will develop, but to have enough coline to develop more optimally. And any animal foods are going to be helpful. So if you can't do four eggs a day, try to think about a source of fish or chicken or meat three times a day. And then if you're plant-based, in my book, I have a big table with all of the colonel contents. But if you're plant-based, I would recommend a coline supplement, honestly, because it's quite hard to get enough coline from plant foods alone. Before we get into the next one on your list of four, something that I learned from your book that I actually didn't really know and I didn't connect the dots, but I learned that a baby's

neurons in the brain are largely all there, right? A hundred million, or a hundred billion? A hundred billion. A hundred billion. A hundred billion neurons. Talk about that in the context of what you're sharing here. So your neurons today, Drew, 95% of them were created when your mom was pregnant with you. and they never got replaced.

So right now, you're running the same neurons that you had at birth, the same ones. And contrary to all the other cells in the human body, neurons don't get replaced. And this is a very specific feature of the brain. Now, what does that mean? It means that while the neurons are forming in your mother's uterus, this is a window of outsized impact

on the basic architecture of your brain. So the amount of chlorine available during that time is going to shape the basic, fundamentals of your brain, these neurons. And then if there's not enough chlorine during pregnancy, this could have a detrimental impact on your brain. So so much so that the American Association of Pediatrics said that failure to provide chlorine during pregnancy and the first two years of life, actually, because during the first two years of a child's life, neurons are still connecting and using up a lot of chlorine. Failure to have enough chlorine during this time can result

in lifelong brain deficits that cannot be compensated for. So what's the first thing I did? I called my mom. I was like, mom, how many eggs did you have when you were pregnant with me in the 90s? She was like, basically zero. I was like, oh, man. So I was like, well, everything is your fault. No, just kidding.

I'm fine. But I wonder, you know, if my mom had had more chlorine during her pregnancy with me, would I feel a bit more resilient in my brain? Would it feel a bit different to be in my brain? Would I have had fewer mental health issues? We don't know. We just know that now that we know this, let's try to get as much chlorine as we can. And there are some cool scientific studies where scientists will supplement moms with different amounts of coline during pregnancy to kind of see if they can measure any outcomes in the kids.

And there's one study from Cornell that I'll mention because I think it's really interesting. So they took one group of pregnant moms and they gave them the bare minimum amount of chlorine. So about 480 milligrams per day in supplement form. And then they wondered, well, what happens if moms have even more? So they gave the other group double that during pregnancy. And the moms didn't know how much they were getting. but it was blind. And then they brought the kids in

during the first year of the kid's life. And they had them do this test that sounds a bit strange, but there's a reason behind it. The test is the following. You bring your baby into the lab. You sit your baby on your lap and there's a computer screen in front of the baby.

On this computer screen, images flash. And the scientists measure how quickly the baby responds to the new images. What's his reaction time to seeing something new on the screen? And the reason they use this test is because the faster your reaction time on this test when you're a baby,

the higher your adult IQ. And they measured the reaction time in the two groups and they saw that the group that had more colon had a 10% faster reaction time. So this is just one example of many, showing us that it seems that the amount of colonel over during pregnancy is actually having an impact on the development of the brain and the cognition of the kid. So eggs are super cheap.

If you want to have 28 eggs a week, which is how much you need for your colonel intake, take, that's $7. We're not talking like expensive stuff here. Eggs are cheap. They're easy to find. So if you're pregnant, go get yourself some eggs. They're going to give your baby all the calling that he needs. I have some follow-up questions on that, but I'll wait because I think our audience is ready for number two. Oh, no, go for it. Go for it. Go for it. Go for it. What I was going to ask you, how was your pregnancy specifically in the context of a lot of women. My wife didn't go through this, but my sisters did. They have food aversion, especially when it comes to often high protein foods, eggs. Eggs. things like that. How is your pregnancy and any suggestions for women who are going through or would one day go through

that protein or food aversion? Well, listen, the first four months I was so nauseous, I could only eat pastries. So I didn't have a single egg for the first four months of pregnancy. The first month I did because I was nauseous yet

but months two, three and four, no eggs possible. I just couldn't do it, man. I was so sick. So we just do what we can. As soon as the nausea lifted, I was back on the egg train and for those few months, I didn't have a lot of eggs,

but our bodies have colonel reserves. So your baby is going to be pulling from your reserves, right? So if you don't have eggs during like one day or two days, it's not a huge deal, you have some stuff there. But we do what we can. It's not easy. We don't have a magic wand for food aversions and for nausea. Even though protein may sound a big growth when you're feeling nauseous,

it actually can help with the nausea. So if you're able to have a little bit of protein first thing when you wake up in the morning, it can be helpful. What I did is I had a little bowl of almonds next to my bed. And as soon as I woke up, I would like eat some almonds before even moving, before getting up, and then I would get up and it would help a little bit with a nausea. Oh, that's great. I mean, great.

It's tough, but you do what you can. It's a great tip. And I'm sure also, too, you live in the best city in the world for pastries. Totally. And I'm sure some of those pastries also had at least a little bit of egg inside of it. Oh, maybe. That's a good point. potentially. But truly, truly the hacks in this book I was only able to really start doing them

in month four. Yeah. What's number two on the list? So number two is actually glucose, as we just mentioned. And I think it's important to reiterate your blood sugar levels, your glucose levels, become your baby's glucose levels. There's no big filter, you know, whatever is in high concentration in your bloodstream is going to be in high concentration in your baby's bloodstream and your uterus. Now, so what do we do? about this? Well, we know babies need some glucose. Your baby needs about 70 grams of glucose in the third trimester per day for his energy needs. That's the amount of glucose in a cup and a half of rice. So it's pretty natural that as pregnancy progresses, you're going to intake a bit more carbohydrates

because you're hungrier also, but it makes sense because your baby needs more and more energy. Now, earlier on in pregnancy, your baby does not need much glucose. And really importantly here, you can get glucose from starches, from bread, rice, pasta, potatoes. You don't need to get glucose from sweet foods because sweet foods also contain fructose. And your baby needs zero fructose. So since your baby needs a bit of glucose, think about getting it from, for example, rice, sweet potatoes. If you can avoid the chocolate cakes and the ice cream and the cookies, it's a good idea to do so. Because again, whatever is in your bloodstream is going to end up in your baby's bloodstream.

And your baby does not need sweet foods and desserts and stuff. That could be a tough one for people. And as a woman who's given birth and you're writing this book and you have all this evidence base, how have you been navigating that conversation with other women out there in the context of already you're hearing about all these different things? Already pregnancy can feel a little bit stressful for people in terms of what to do, what not to do. Could be a good opportunity here to sort of talk about how you navigate that in the book and how you've been navigating it in conversations.

So that's the scientific fact, right? And then there's a reality of, for example, when I was pregnant, I really wanted to eat sugar because I was tired. It made me feel better. And there's an evolutionary reason why, which we'll get to in a second. Exactly. And, you know, also I was having cravings for sweet foods. So what I did is I looked at the WHO recommendation of trying to stick to under 25 grams

of added sugar per day. And I tried to stick to that. So 25 grams is like half a chocolate bar. two cookies, a big glass of orange juice. I was trying to be a little bit mindful more than I usually am. And also what I was doing is that when I did eat sugar, I used some key principles to reduce how quickly they were arriving in my bloodstream to reduce their glucose spike, because that helps not only you, but your baby. So for example, one of the best things you can do is to make sure you have your sugar after a meal instead of on an empty stomach. So if you're six months pregnant

and you're waking up and you're like, oh, I really want a donut today. Try to keep it for after your lunch or after your dinner instead of having it for breakfast. That's a small change, but it's going to reduce how quickly that sugar arrives into your bloodstream. Another cool hack you can use is after you eat something sweet, use your muscles for a little bit. So go for a little walk, maybe, you know, clean your kitchen, do something a little bit physical. That's going to help your muscles soak up some of that glucose instead of it all hanging out in your bloodstream. But it's difficult, right? It's of course complicated and surveys show that moms tend to eat more sugar during pregnancy

than when they're not pregnant. We're more hungry. We have more cravings. Yet our baby doesn't need that much sugar. So it's about using the glucose hacks to try not only to reduce the spike of that sugar, but also to prevent a cycle of cravings. Because what happens when you have something sweet on an empty stomach, for example, a donut for breakfast, you're going to have a big spike and a big crash.

That crash about two hours after the donut is going to make. make you want even more sugar. So if you can have the donut with the glucose hack, you'll be able to soften the spike and soften the dip, which can soften any further cravings that might be creating. Yeah, absolutely. I think a lot of women notice that when they're going through it. I know my wife, Yasmin, she definitely noticed that the same foods that she would have when she was not pregnant, if she would go for that food, let's say that's a higher sugary food or, you know, like a dessert or whatever it might be. She was just afterwards, she'd say, I feel so tired comparatively before. And she wasn't having it after like a meal that she had. She just was having it normally.

Just like she might reach for like a sugary snack. And it's like I would share with her, okay, great, just pay attention to it, you know. And I know you feel tired. Maybe you don't feel up for a walk. We'll just notice how you respond to certain foods or how you feel and and just support you through the process. I want the insights for anything because it's not like I'm experiencing it. I want to kind of hear her. My younger sister who is business partners with my wife, she said, hey, listen, also too, just be aware that sometimes it has nothing to do with food at all, not that I was giving my wife any sort of feedback. But she's like, look, pregnancy also, you just get tired sometimes. Right? So just let the insights come from your wife, be there,

for her, sort of ask her questions, notice any patterns that might be there, offer suggestions if she asks, but she came to her own conclusion of, okay, hey, I'm not going to eat this particular thing on an empty stomach, or let me move a little bit afterwards for this fun food that I might reach for every swel. And here's another thing that really helped me. When I wanted something sweet, I first had whole fruit because that often satiated the craving. So I would have like a banana. or two Kiwis or a nice orange or some strawberries. And sometimes then my craving for what I thought was a craving for like a donut or a cookie

kind of went away because the sweetness from the whole fruit was actually hitting the spot. And even small tweaks and a small reduction in sugar can really help. So something incredible happened in the UK from 1940 to 1953. That gives us a window into how sugar intake impacts of baby's health. So from 1940 to 19503, there was a sugar ration. ration meaning the UK government said everybody now only has 40 grams of added sugar per day okay that's 10 sugar cubes so that's the amount of sugar in like a large milk chocolate bar they said this is the maximum and the reason they were doing

this is because of the war they had to manage resources in the country so for 13 years everybody including pregnant moms only had 40 grams of sugar per day right before these 13 years and right after these 13 years, people were more at 60 or 80 grams of sugar per day, so two large milk chocolate bars. And scientists in the early 2000s thought, hey, we have a natural experiment here where for 13 years all babies in utero had only one big milk chocolate bar per day basically in their mother's bloodstream versus two big milk chocolate bars afterwards and before. So they called up 60,000 people who are now grown adults because they were born in the 40s and the 50s, and they asked about their health.

And they were like, is there any difference we can find between these two groups? They saw that just by reducing the amount of sugar to 40 grams per day, these kids had a 15% lower lifetime risk of type to diabetes. Those kids from the one milk chocolate bar per day were less vulnerable to having developed type to diabetes. So we're not talking about like zero sugar. We're saying like, you know, 40 grams is double with the. WHO recommends. But even going from 60, 80 to 40 grams had a significant impact on making

these kids more resilient and less likely to get diabetes. So even small tweaks, even if you're going from like five donuts to four donuts, it's probably going to be helpful to your baby. So any small thing you can do, you can adjust. If you can replace one donut with one apple, that's already going to help your baby. I think that if you look at it in the context of things, it's not like some of these other societies that have a slightly better health outcomes are doing radically different things than we are. You know, when they tell you, like, don't eat sushi, and then you Google, do pregnant women in Japan eat sushi during their pregnancy, yes.

And obviously, a lot of these came from just public health measures, things that went wrong and, you know, trying to, it's a risk, it's a risk reduction. Because you can get sick from sushi. Yeah, you totally can. Get sick from sushi. You can get sick from anything. Yeah, totally. But the risk is slightly higher when it's roughish.

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And use the code Drew, D-H-R-U at checkout for 10% off, site wide. If you care about what goes on your plate, it's time to care about what's under it. So the third important pillar of pregnancy nutrition is omega-3s. So omega-3s are a type of fat that is found in microalgae in the ocean. And fish eat this microalgae. And so they get full of omega-3s. And as humans, we mostly eat fish to get omega-3s. And they also form our brain. And when our baby is developing, the omega-3 fat is helping the neurons sort of connect with each other in the brain. So it's really, really important. And when you think about pregnancy and what your baby needs in the room, the amount of omega-3s you're giving it is going to be

influencing the development of his brain. And we know this. And there's global recommendations to get about 300 milligrams of omega-3s per day during pregnancy. Unfortunately, today, again, about 70% of moms aren't eating a diet that's not giving them enough. And it's because mostly we don't eat any fish anymore. So we want to try to do it. to have fatty fish two or three times a week. So mackerel, sardines, anchovies, salmon, herring, those are really, really good sources. And in some interesting clinical trials,

scientists supplemented moms with omega-3s, with about a gram and a half of omega-3s per day, and they see that they're able to measure an improvement in the baby's IQ at four years old if they had more omega-3s available when they were developing in the room. So omega-3s are important. I did fish two times a week, plus also supplemented with about two grams a day just to make

sure my levels were super high. And there's a bunch of like tests you can run to see what your omega-3 levels are, which are really helpful to do, even pre-pregnancy, honestly. Yeah, absolutely. My wife was also, she was taking her supplements for omega-3s, and then she was also, I sent her some studies around salmon row in particular, these fish eggs. Yeah. Dr. Rhonda Patrick was talking about that she would have during her pregnancy.

So here in Santa Monica where we're recording, I would once a week go to the Santa Monica seafood. It's a famous seafood sort of restaurant and market over here. And I would get wild caught salmon road that was frozen. Oh, frozen, cool. Yeah, frozen. Which makes it safer, right? Because once it's frozen for three, four days, then it's not going to be contaminated by bacteria. Exactly.

And then when you open it, you only have a couple days to, you know, use it up once to defrost. And she loves, she had a Korean nanny growing up. So she's eating all the different types of things. I know some people are like fish eggs, I don't know. She loves all the different foods. And our baby definitely was bathing in all that salmon row. That's amazing. And you know when it comes to omega-3s, what's interesting is that so the levels take a little while to build up in your body.

So even preconception, it's a good idea to get those levels up because that way once you get pregnant, you'll have a really high amount. and if for the first few months you can't fathom eating fish eggs, then you'll have some reserves in your body for your baby. Which is actually kind of like one of the other central themes inside of the book, is that, hey, this isn't a conversation that we just want to have with women, men, society, families, right when you're pregnant, although that's great. It's kind of like how your health is beforehand makes you so much more resilient and your baby more resilient to the natural stressors and ups and downs in the world.

totally I mean if you can do all these things even pre-pregnancy even as a man you're probably going to feel better right if you manage your glucose levels have a lot of koline omega-3s and then the fourth one is protein we're going to talk about those are really the basics of healthy nutrition but the thing is during pregnancy these are quote-unquote even more important because they're not just affecting you they're also helping your baby lay his foundation they're calibrating your baby's development. So it's really a moment in life where what you're eating is not just affecting yourself, but your family. Yeah, absolutely. Let's go into the protein conversation. Yeah. People often think protein equals muscle. So muscle, yes, protein is important for muscle building. But actually there's so many

things in our body that are protein that we don't think about. For example, our immune system, lots of proteins in there that keeps us safe. Our skin, the collagen in our skin is a protein, insulin. the hormone that managed to glucose levels is a protein. We have tens of thousands of different types of protein in the body. And when our baby is building in our uterus, he's building a lot of protein to create his organs, his immune system, his brain, everything. And so as the mom, you're in charge of giving your baby

all the protein that he needs via your bloodstream. And by the time your baby's born, if you exclude water, he is 50% protein. So you're building a whole lot of protein in there. And so naturally, the amount of protein we eat during pregnancy needs to increase to support all this new activity. So latest studies say that in the second and third trimester, you need to have about 1.6 grams per kilo of body weight of protein per day or more. About 70% of moms are below that. So what does this mean?

It means that your baby is going to have not enough protein in there from your diet alone. So then muscle mass starts just a breakdown in a female body. to give our baby all the protein that he needs. But even there, there's a limit. We can't completely compensate for a very low protein diet. So what do we do? We have protein three times a day. So in the morning, if you're having four eggs, that's 30 grams of protein right there.

And then lunch and dinner have a source of protein. It could be chicken, it can be meat, it can be fish, it can be dairy, it can be protein powder, it can be plant protein. And what I did during pregnancy is I set up these staples. I would have every day, so I didn't have to think about it. One of my main staples was this afternoon snack. So I would put a cup of skier yogurt, two scoops of way isolate, and just there, that was 80 grams of protein.

On top of that, I would put some berries, some nuts. I loved anything acidic during pregnancy, so I liked kiwis or passion fruit. And then some almond butter, some sea salt, and basta. I was done. So I had that every day. Yeah, the recipes in my book, it's so good. So as that protein as you and your baby need, it's really hard to overdo protein. You need to eat like 3.5 grams per kilo or body weight per day to overdo it.

So at every meal, build it around protein. It's also going to help you with chlorine because protein-rich foods are also high in chlorine. And it's also going to help you with your glucose levels because protein keeps our glucose levels steady and reduce our cravings. How much do you think so many of these things that we see connected to not doing these hacks in modern day society, the concept. of them, both for the mom, increasing your risk of gestational diabetes, preclampsia from endothelial dysfunction that's there, and other things. Obviously, it's a multi-layered component. I read in your book, The Baby's Neuron, the Starfish.

Oh, yeah, you want to talk about the microglia. The microglia being damaged from being too much glucose. Well, I'll finish the question, and then we'll go into both of these topics. The glia, then my question, how much of that is also connected to the fact that largely, you know, you see pregnant women more sort of nomadic societies or, you know, traditional societies that are there. Obviously, they're having more kids just because that's the way that these societies have been built around. Thank God, thank goodness for modern medicine, because we've totally cut down the rate of infant mortality and how many women end up passing

away in childbirth. So that's a big thing. But they're moving more regularly because they have to. They have to, they're, they're getting water. They're, uh, you know, constantly, you know, throughout the day. Just from observing, I went to Kenya a few years ago with this group and I got a chance to spend time with one of these sort of modern nomadic societies, the Samburu. And these women who often have, you know, multiple kids, like they're, they're active the whole day. And our modern day society is separate even just from women. We're just living a much more sedentary lifestyle. So how How much is that a piece around this conversation? Okay, so let's talk about both those things because I think on the exercise piece is fascinating.

So first, your question about the microglia. Your baby's brain contains these neurons, and these neurons are being built and are connecting during pregnancy. So it's like neuron, do, do, do, do, do. Like your baby's building 250,000 neurons per minute during pregnancy. And among this mesh of neurons, there's another cell type in your baby's brain. And this cell type is called a microglia. And it kind of looks like a starfish.

It's like, hello, like this. That's how I imagine it. And it's an immune system cell, meaning it's in charge of making sure everything stays healthy and protecting your baby's brain from damage. And what the microglia does is that it's looking at all the neurons around it. And as soon as it sees a neuron that's shaped a bit weird or is a little bit damaged, it goes to the neuron and it destroys it to make sure that it's pruning all the bad neurons. to keep the baby's brain as optimal as possible.

Now, this microglia responds to inflammation. If there's a lot of inflammation in the mom's body, this microglia can become a little bit overactive and may prune some neurons that don't need to be pruned. So it's becoming a bit over-eager and doing some stuff it doesn't need to be doing. Now, in which cases would we have high inflammation in a mother's body? Well, one of the links to diet is that when you have very high glucose levels, very high sugar levels,

then inflammation slowly rises in your body as an adult, but also in your baby's body during pregnancy. And so this connection between high glucose levels, inflammation, and an overactive microglia in the brain, this is the leading theory that scientists believe can in part explain this very shocking statistic, which is that in moms who have gestational diabetes, meaning very, very high glucose levels during pregnancy, the baby has a 15% higher risk of developing a psychiatric disorder in his lifetime. So there's a connection between mental health and glucose. We're not saying that gestational diabetes causes psychiatric disorders, right?

The rates are still very low, but there's a strong association there. So it could be multifactoral, but it does seem that if we can keep our inflammation levels in a healthier range, it could help our baby's brain develop in a slightly more optimal way by not making these microglia overactive. So yet another reason why it's a good idea to use the glucose hacks, for example, sugar after a meal, moving after eating. Another one is starting your meals with vegetables. Like anything we can do to lower a little bit our glucose spikes could have a benefit. Now that's the microglio. Now the exercise piece. This is my favorite study I discovered in the field.

Okay, Drew. So we're scientists for like, okay, how does exercise and moving during pregnancy, how does that help our baby's development? So here's what they did. They took pregnant rats and they took two groups of pregnant rats and they had the same environment, the same housing, the same lighting, the same food, the same water, everything the same. The only difference is one of the two groups.

had these tiny little treadmills, these tiny little treadmills, and they were running on the treadmill for 30 minutes a day every day during pregnancy. That was the only difference, 30 minutes of daily physical activity. And then the scientists waited for the babies to be born, and they looked at the babies. They were like, is there a difference in these babies? They found that the babies who were developing in the uteruses of the moms who were exercising were twice as fast at solving mazes the scientist had put together

and had 80% fewer anxiety symptoms. So there was something about exercising during pregnancy that was helping the baby's brain be more resilient and be faster at solving these mazes. Now, we don't have this kind of data in humans, obviously because you can't do that kind of test, but we do seem to have a lot of data that shows that the more you can move on you're pregnant, even just walking a little bit, the more I can help your baby's brain develop.

Yeah, it's so great to highlight that and talk about it because women who are pregnant and about to give birth, they get so many conflicting opinions from a lot of people. There's super well-meaning maternal fetal medicine specialists, you know, women who are above a certain age automatically get assigned because they're considered high risk. Is it like 35 or above? Yeah, it's 35 or above. And, um, few, I was close to that one. So my wife was, had just turned.

So she immediately, you know, because again, you have certain things that could be a higher risk from a population standpoint. So you want to watch these, make sure these women are, have extra scans, watch them closer. Their risk of preclampsia, help, other things like that is a lot higher from a population level. And, uh, I had a friend that said that, uh, you know, her maternal fetal medicine. and Sepsie said, just like, look, just walking around the house is enough, like, don't go, don't be, don't do anything more than that. And, uh, but then she went to her, uh, OB and her OB is fit and kind of more open-minded and into a lot of the sort of integrative and open, she's open-minded. So she's aware of these conversations, encouraging the right sort of diet, prenatals, other stuff.

She's like, your body is so much more resilient. and actually a lot of this will help you because the big conversation this day and age, especially with menopause, paramedopause, is that if you're too inactive, we're not asking you to do CrossFit or anything crazy, if you're too inactive, if you're not having enough protein,

how your pregnancy goes is actually going to increase your risk of osteoporosis in the future because you haven't been moving enough, because you haven't had enough protein, you're not protecting your muscles. So women hear things from all different size of the conversation. And I know it's well-meaning, but I think there's been a little bit of this focus of, you know, just be so gentle on yourself, especially when it comes to activity. And it's gone too far in one direction.

There's a myth that if you exercise during pregnancy, it's going to increase your baby's heart rate. It doesn't. Or that it's going to restrict blood flow. It doesn't. So if you're having a low risk pregnancy, there's no reason to not exercise. I was at the gym until like a month, eight and a half. I was out there squatting and lifting weights until, I mean, it was not easy. I was a little bit uncomfortable, but I still went because I felt, you know, I felt good

and I knew it was good for my baby too. So it depends on the unique situation, but I agree that like generally we should be encouraging physical activity. Like don't go downhill skiing or, you know, parachute jumping. But if you go lift weights, it's going to be great for you and your baby as long as you your doctor clears it. There's no reason to be scared of that. It's actually beneficial. Yeah. This kind of connects to one of the ideas that you talk about in the book. Now we've covered those four hacks is that a lot of women hear this idea that, hey, listen, it's really just

about calories, get enough calories so that your baby can grow and that you have enough for your weight needs that you're adding on weight. And generally speaking, it's really calories in and calories out when it comes to that. It's not about the quality of food. And by the way, if you ever not getting anything like the protein, like other nutrients that are there, don't worry because your baby's just going to get it from you. We kind of inadvertently address this a little bit, but just do you want to touch on that? Absolutely. This is one of the biggest myths is that your baby will get what he needs from you.

That's not true. Across these four nutrients, but also across many other nutrients during pregnancy, we know the evidence is very clear. If you are not getting enough of a certain thing in your diet, your baby is not going to get enough also. There's not like a magical system in place that says like, oh, you know, you're not. Jesse's eating zero coline, we'll just find coline out of thin air and give it to the baby. Like if I don't eat enough chlorine, my baby's not going to get the amount that he needs.

So that's a big, big, big myth about pregnancy. It's more akin to your baby will get what is there. And it's more akin, instead of being in an oven when you're pregnant, you're more like soil and your baby's a seed. And we all know intuitively, Drew, if we had a seed for an apple tree, we all know that where we plant it in our garden is important. We all know that if we plant it in the driveway with lots of gravel, it's not going to grow as healthy as if we grow it as if we plant it in really nice and

rich fertilized soil in the sun, right? We understand that the soil is going to be determining what the seed actually gets and has available in order to grow into a tree. When you're the mom, it's the same thing. Now, of course, humans are more resilient than like a seed and soil. Like, your baby will probably come out fine. But there's all these small things going on that are dependent on how much chlorine, protein, omega-3s, you have available.

So that's the first thing. We know from the scientific evidence that it's not just calories. Like, for example, in the case of protein, we know that just not eating enough protein, even if you're having enough calories, it's going to lead to your baby not having all the building blocks that he needs. And that could lead to a baby being born smaller, for example. So it's not about calories. If you're eating 2,000 calories of just potato chips, for example, versus 2,000 calories with protein,

coline, omega-3, et cetera, it's going to be a very different situation for your baby. Very, very, very different. So that's a huge myth. And I think now, I mean, the amount of evidence now is so overwhelming that I think if you say something like that, it's just that truly you don't want to look at any scientific paper at all. It's a cultural myth. It has to go away.

It's not true. It's not about calories. It's about the molecules are eating. Yeah. Or there's too much fear that people think that, oh, if I tell pregnant women anything, it's going to make them feel bad or it's going to put pressure. pressure on them, which I understand the sensitivities. Yes, we want sensitivities, but pregnant women, women, human beings, they're smart. They understand a layered conversation. And so you

saying... And also, it's not the mom's fault. Like the fact that 90% of moms today have a diet that's not giving them enough calling, that is in no way the mother's fault. That's the fault of the food industry, creating processed foods and marketing it to us as if it was healthy, you know? It's not the mom's fault. We are living in a food environment that is doing a disservice to everyone, just pregnant moms. But during pregnancy, if there's easy things you can do that are going to have an outsized beneficial positive impact on your baby with cheap stuff that is easy to find, like, let's go for it. We can't change the food industry. We can't wait for the food industry to change around us. We need to have access to this information so we know how to navigate it. And on your

point of like the pressure, personally, I felt pressure when I was pregnant. I think no matter what I had done, I would have not been able to take away that pressure. But by learning about the science and figuring out these four key principles, I felt like I was able to navigate the pressure with a bit more serenity. I felt a bit more confident in what I was doing. I was not pressure-free and I was super anxious for other reasons, but these four nutritional pillars were helping me separate the BS that I saw on social media and what the science actually said. Yeah. Any other myths that we didn't touch on? So the main myths are you have a bun in the oven. You're not an oven. Your baby is not a bun. You're more like soil and your baby's a seed, your baby will get what he needs from you, I think, is the other

really, really big one. And these two myths have caused a lot of damage and have stripped pregnant moms from a lot of the agency that they actually have. Important conversations, you know, we had adjacent to this conversation, we had a physician on the podcast who had a son that was diagnosed later on with autism. And he went on this journey as a physician, I think, ER doctor, family medicine doctor, where he was like, hey, what do we know in the literature of things that are connected to autism? Autism. We actually have so much information and many of the things that we've already talked about

here. Yeah. Koline. Omega threes. Omega threes. Maternal obesity. Maternal. Obesitational diabetes.

Yeah. Vitamin D. Maternal infection, inflammation, the microglia, et cetera. We have a lot of associations between things going on and autism. We don't have anything conclusive. but not like, it's exactly this. And even the Tylenol conversation, the new study just came out.

I believe it's from a Nordic country, I think maybe Sweden, that showed on 200,000 mom baby pairs, no association between Tylenol use during pregnancy and autism risk. So not only are there many associations, but things are changing all the time. We're getting new information and new variables,

but we know more than we've been told, that's for sure. Yeah, and the reason that he wanted to produce book is that it's so easy in this modern day that the conversation naturally people want to blame one sort of thing or focus on one sort of thing. But if we look at what we already know, there's so much,

there's so much that families can do to have their best chances to set up their baby, forget just even just the conversation of autism, set up their baby for the best health that their potential can go into. And there's stuff you can control and there's stuff you can't control, right?

So you got to do what you can't. with what you have. I think that's also a good conclusion. Like, I would have loved to not be nauseous for four months, so I could eat more of the stuff I wanted to eat. But, hey, I had to deal with that. And that's okay. So we do what we can with what's in front of us.

Yeah, beautiful. What else on this topic that's there? And by the way, how's your son doing? He's good. Thank you so much. He's doing great. He's standing now. It's his new obsession.

It's really cute. He's like standing all the time. He's so cute. Oh, I love him. That's amazing. Yeah. Right now he's still on milk. Yeah, so I breastfed for seven months.

Yeah. And then I was doing exclusive and I, man, I tried everything but like the pumping thing was not working for me. I tried all the machines, all the things. And as soon as I started pumping a lot, my supply would dwindle. So I got to seven months and I was just like, there was an imbalance between how much he wanted to drink and how much I was able to pump. So I started him in Formula.

And then the moment he was on Fortnite, he was like, boob, what? He didn't care. He was like, give you the bottle girl. So I did seven months. And now he's on this Dutch formula that I really like that has coline and DHA in it, obviously. Yeah. And I started him on solids as well. So he's eating eggs.

He loves avocado. He loves spinach. I'm not giving him any fruit juice or puree. He just has like some whole fruit to play with, like some bananas, some berries, et cetera. But it's mostly savory veggies, butter, olive oil and lots of egg yolks for the coline because it continues. The need for colonel continues the first two years of life. So he'll have straight up eggs. egg yolk.

Yeah. Cooked, obviously. So I do half an egg yolk every single morning with a vegetable. So like egg yolk and avocado, for example, with a bit of olive oil. That's breakfast and then milk throughout the day. And then dinner, we'll do another nice vegetable with some butter, a little bit of protein, maybe some yogurt and some whole fruit for him to just like pick on and play with at the end. Is there anything else that you wish that somebody would have told you when you were going

through this journey and also too you've written about the fact that you went through a miscarriage beforehand which is very common many women go through that i wish somebody had told me that because i had no idea that it was common okay i was like laida laida i'm pregnant i had no conception that things might not go the way i thought they would go so my first pregnancy the day i got the positive pregnancy test i called everybody i was like okay i'm having a baby in december and then three months in I learned that I had had a silent miscarriage, meaning the embryo had stopped developing, but I had had no signs, so no bleeding, no cramping, no passing of the tissue, nothing. And I learned about the embryo basically dying at the three-month ultrasound.

So that was horrendous. That was one of the hardest things I've ever had to go through my entire life. Just the emotional shock, the despair, the anxiety, the anger. I was so angry at the world. So that was awful, and I wish I had been more prepared because only after I had my miscarriage did I learn that my mom had had three, that my grandmother had had five,

that, you know, all of a sudden tongues untied around me. And I only knew about miscarriages from my friends who had gone to IVF because that's something that is more openly spoken about, I feel like. But in my friends who had not done IVF and my family members, I had no information. I knew nothing. So I was just like super naive and knew nothing about it. And that's why in the book I share a lot about that story, because the one thing that made me feel

better when I was going through it was to read other people's stories. So it is common. It happens to many people. It's not your fault. Even if you do all the quote unquote right things, which I was doing all the right right methylated supplements, blah, blah, blah, all the coline, blah, blah, still had a miscarriage. So that's just a message I want to share, that it's common and it's It's not your fault. It happens to a lot of people. And you'll get through it. I guess one of the, you know, nowadays, at least that conversation's happening a little bit more often. Yeah. You know, when women ask and they start having these conversations of who went through this, who went through that. And then also the mental preparedness of, you know, families deciding that they'll tell people whenever they're ready.

Yeah. You know, I've had friends that have gone through multiple rounds of miscarriages. I've had friends that have gone through no miscarriages and they've just decided that for them, they've will want to wait a lot longer to tell people about the pregnancy. And I totally get it. There's so many layers around telling people, their, your excitement, their thing, and just feeling prepared. And I understand that, you know, there's a lot of people that are out there that want to tell people right away.

But it's great that people are having this conversation just so that every family can make that decision for themselves. I waited five months for the second pregnancy. Yeah. Because I was so terrified of losing it again that I just... like I can't tell anyone. So I waited a really, really long time. But I'm glad I did because I just didn't feel ready. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. And it was winter, so I was wearing lots of big sweater. So I was hiding a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My wife is in a similar position and she definitely was at a few

events where people would come up to her because she decided that she wanted to wait. People would come up to her and say, you're really glowing like you're pregnant, right? And she just felt like that's also another interesting thing. Don't ask, what are you doing? You know, my wife says, but Yasmin says all the time, it's amazing how many comments she felt that she got from other women. She's like, I would encounter men and once obviously it was very visible and people could see that she was pregnant and everything, you know, they would just feel like, oh my gosh,

we're so happy for you, everything. I'm not making this a gendered conversation, but I've heard many women say that I got the craziest comments from other women, often older women, raising a different generation. you know, all the things like that. Also, it's not cool to ask somebody if they're pregnant. Like, you don't do that. You don't know what they're going through. You have no clue what they're going through. But, yeah, I remember she went to an event and she was wearing this like very flowy dress.

And yeah, she looked like she, you know, had a little bit more weight around her. And two women came up to her at that event and said, like, you're obviously pregnant. And she felt... You imagine if she was not pregnant and if she had just gone through a miscarriage? Like, that's a crazy thing to do someone. Yeah. Well, the other thing. was because she was not ready yet and she hadn't had, you know, wanted, didn't feel ready to tell

people. She said, no, no, I'm not, which obviously is awkward for her because then she feels like she has to lie and, you know, to protect herself because she does not ready to talk about it. So it's such a strange thing. And my heart goes out to, you know, all the women that are in that position. Here's the top tip for you guys. Don't ask somebody if they're pregnant ever. Just don't.

Yeah. Pivoting into a related conversation. Just want to give a little shout out. You showed me your new protein bottle. Yes. Congratulations. Thank you so much. What's the name?

And do you want to mention a little bit about what you're up to with the project? So for the past, I would say, two, three years, I was on the lookout for, is there a protein powder I could make that's actually really good in the highest quality in the world? And that would go well with my morning coffee. That was my objective. I want a protein powder. I can put in my coffee. And I'm a mega coffee snob. And I was like, I cannot.

This cannot affect my flat. white people. The flat white has to be just as delicious with the protein powder in it. And so I finally found it. So there's three things important about protein powders. The first one is the source of the milk. So the milk in protein prodigy, which is the name, is from Irish grass-fed cows that spend 250 days a year on pasture that are managed by small family farms. It is the best source of milk you can find in the world. Second, it's made with this completely new processing that includes no heat and no chemicals. So the way the protein is filtered out is extremely gentle.

All the protein molecules stay perfectly intact. And this leads me to the third important thing about protein powders, which is the ingredients. Are you adding flavorings? Are you adding any weird stuff in there? This one has no weird stuff in it. It has no flavor. It's completely unflavored because the source of the milk and the processing are so exceptional.

It just tastes like a little splash of milk. and the taste is super creamy, no aftertaste, and it dissolves perfectly in my coffee. So to me, this is the best protein powder in the entire universe. This is why I'm bringing some to everybody. And you were like, thanks, Jesse. I don't have a way. I'm like, oh, no. But it's amazing.

So it's called Protein Prodigy. And it's at the moment we're recording this podcast, it's going to be out in two weeks. Amazing. And I'm very excited about it. I think it's a game changer for me firsthand because I need to eat more protein. And I'm very busy. And I can't cook three times a day. So now my morning, fat white, has 20 grams of protein in it.

There you go. Which is like three eggs. I'm so happy. Travel with it as well too? Totally. It's incredible. What's the best coffee you've had in L.A. so far? You guys making it home because you got your baby and other stuff or you're going to coffee shop.

Oh, yeah. I go to a coffee shop every single morning of my life. It's like my morning ritual. I cannot, I cannot skip it. So in L.A., I like intelligentsia. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So just maybe one day you'll have some travel packs as well. Yeah, so what I do, it's close to where I live, so I go get my flat white and I go home and I froth it with my protein prodigy at home. But I used to make some travel packs, yeah. Yeah, I love that. Yeah. Since you were last on the podcast, you have a partnership with a CGM.

Yeah, stelo. Stello. People can find all this stuff on glucose goddess.com. So, you know, I mean, glucose has been part of my work for seven years. It's been what I've been doing. And I never had found a glucose monitor that I felt like recommending because, They were all either expensive, so like $200 to try or a medical device that was complicated or a glucose monitor that came with an app that was like very complicated with lots of features.

And I wanted something you could get over the counter, no prescription, cheap and affordable, and very simple. And so when Stello came around and I tested the glucose monitor, I was like, this is the one baby. Like I just love them. I highly recommend to people. So you can find Stello information online, stella.com. on my Instagram, and it's really amazing. So anybody who's been on the fence

and hasn't tried a Vucos monitor yet, this is the time to try. I highly recommend. Amazing. Well, I think this is a super important conversation. A lot of people don't even really start thinking about it until they already are well into their pregnancy and so much of the literature and data shows

that starting as early as you can, even before you're pregnant, sets up the best potential for you and your baby and your family. And also, you know, when mommy gets help, healthy, you know, because mom often is the one making the decisions for like what to buy in the household, dad start getting healthy too. Yeah, totally. Yeah, absolutely.

I think this conversation is super important and I really appreciate you writing this book. Thank you so much, Drew. Yeah, thank you for coming back on the podcast. Thank you for having me. It's so nice to see you. Hi, everyone, Drew here. Two quick things. Number one, thank you so much for listening to this podcast.

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