Dial In with Jonny Ardavanis - Jesus as the Greater Tabernacle: Understanding the True Meaning of Christmas with Jonny Ardavanis

Episode Date: December 17, 2024

Discover how Jesus fulfills and surpasses the Old Testament tabernacle in this in-depth exploration of John 1:14. Pastor Jonny Ardavanis breaks down seven powerful ways Christ is the greater tabernacle, from His incarnation to His second coming. Learn why grace isn't just a concept, but a person embodied in Jesus Christ.Key topics covered:The meaning of "The Word became flesh"How Jesus perfectly fulfills the tabernacle's purposeUnderstanding God's grace and truth through ChristThe connection between Christmas and salvationAncient Greek and Jewish understanding of "The Word" (Logos)The significance of God dwelling (tabernacling) with His peoplePerfect for anyone seeking to deepen their understanding of Christmas beyond the traditional nativity story. Whether you're a longtime believer or just exploring Christianity, this discussion offers fresh insights into why Jesus's incarnation matters today.Watch VideosVisit the Website Buy Consider the LiliesFollow on Instagram

We talk about God's grace as a thing, as if it's abstract, but Titus 2.11 says that the grace of God appeared, meaning that grace is not a thing. Grace is a person and his name is Jesus Christ. Titus 3.4 says when the kindness of God appeared, that is an incarnated reality, meaning if you're ever trying to think about God's kindness, God's kindness, again, is not a thing.

God's kindness is embodied in the person of Jesus Christ. Well, welcome in to the Dial-In Podcast Studio. I'm Hank Bowen, sitting here with a newly bearded Johnny Artivanis. Johnny, I like the beard. It's a New Year's resolution to shave it. Winter weather comes and Johnny retreats into his fur coat. Yeah. Liam Neeson, Johnny Artavanis, the same. Well, we're super grateful for the folks who take their time to tune in with us. And so if you will take a moment, like, subscribe, rate. I never thought I'd be saying those words, but it truly

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Retreating south to warmer weather to Franklin, Tennessee. We have a special heart for them during the winter season. A hundred percent. Well, with that, with the Christmas season, maybe you have several gospel accounts of the Christmas message. So you have Matthew, you have Luke. I'm batting at least 50%. But Johnny, like picking between your favorite children, specifically, if you had to pick one gospel account of the Christmas message, what might that be? Well, I think as it relates to the Christmas story, we probably know, growing up in the church, we know the accounts in Matthew and Luke the best. Because those are the accounts that have the magi, the wise men, the donkeys, the stables.

Shepherds, angels. Shepherds, angels, the whole shebang. But I think if I had to pick my favorite Christmas account from the gospels, it would actually be from John. And interestingly, as it relates to John's gospel, John doesn't really include any of those beloved locations or characters. There's no wise men, there's no shepherds,

there's no gifts, there's no frankincense, incense and myrrh. And John begins his Christmas story, not by locating Jesus on Christmas day, 2000 years ago, but before time began. I like to read the first four verses of John's gospel, which is the last gospel written. And John is trying to maybe balance out everything else that's been written thus far in Matthew, Mark and Luke, which is the first three gospels. But he says in John 1, 1 through 4, in the beginning was the word. And I'll just pause there for a moment because six times in these first four verses, John is going to use that imperfect verb was, because he wants you to

understand that, yes, again, Jesus was born, but that is not when he began. He's the eternal God. And in order for you to understand who Jesus is as the savior of the world, John wants you to first and foremost understand who he is as the creator of the world, because you can't understand who he is a savior unless you understand who he is as creator. So in the first four verses, John says in the beginning was the word. And I'll explain what that is when he says the word. "'And the word was with God and the word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through him and apart from him, nothing came into being that has come into being.

In him was life and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness and the darkness did not comprehend it.'" Now, in ancient times, the Greeks attributed the word, or we use the word or the Greek word logos, which refers to the power, the mind, the structure of morality behind the universe. They believe that our world was far too complex for all of the symmetry, all of this cohesiveness just to happen on accident. And so even though they didn't know the God or believe in the God of the Bible, they attributed the unique forces of nature and the way that we were wired,

the philosophical arguments that there had to be something behind the universe. They referred to that as the logos. But the Jews would also use that term logos to refer to the revelation of God, the wisdom of God, the power of God. And so both to a Jewish and a Gentile audience, that word Lagos or here it's capital W in your Bible in the beginning was the capital W word. It refers to the power and authority and symmetry behind the universe. And John is going to make the argument in the scripture makes it very clear that the word that the Greeks were looking for, the power, the authority, the structure and standard of morality behind the universe is not a thing. The Greeks thought the word was an impersonal abstract force.

And John's going to make the argument. No, the power behind the universe is not an impersonal abstract force. He's a person and he was with God and was God. And then later on, we're going to read in John 1, 14. I think this is up until this point in the gospels, the most wonderful verse that we've read thus far, John 1, 14 and the word, the power, the creator of the universe became flesh and dwelt.

And I'm gonna talk about that word dwelt as it relates to the Christmas story and dwelt among us. And we saw his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the father, full of grace and truth. Now, as, as it relates to this word dwelt, we've already established that the word is Jesus Christ. John says, okay, that force you're looking for is, is Jesus. And he's going to say in, in that word became flesh and dwelt amongst us. That is God's original intention behind creation. When God created the world, he didn't create mankind in his image to observe and spectate. He made them so that he would dwell with them

and amongst them. And this is part of the crisis that cries out from the garden. When sin and death enter the world, mankind has not only been separated from God, but now they've lost the purpose for their humanity, which is to dwell with him. So later on in Exodus, when God is bringing his people out of Egypt, I say it often in church,

that God delivered them not to ditch them. He delivered them to dwell with them. And there are these series of many chapters which God provides the instructions for the tabernacle. And you might be, you know, at this point going, why are we bringing up the tabernacle? How does this relate to the donkeys at Christmas? To Christmas.

Well, in John 1, 14, which is my favorite Christmas verse, it says the word became flesh and dwelt. That word dwelt is skene, which is also the Greek word used in the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old Testament for the tabernacle.

And so the literal reading of John 1, 14 would be, and the word became flesh and tabernacled amongst us. And we beheld his glory. If the Christmas story is that the word became flesh, we have to end dwelt and tabernacled amongst us. We have to, I guess, initially understand the purpose of the tabernacle in the old Testament so that we can understand what Jesus came to fulfill in the new Testament. But long story short in the old Testament, But long story short, in the Old Testament, the tabernacle represented four things.

And one, it symbolized God's presence. There in the tabernacle, in the inner sanctum, the Holy of Holies, that's where God's glory would reside. And you could go into the Holy of Holies, well, the high priest, just one day a year by one guy, you know, the high priest. And so, but the tabernacle was the central symbol that God's presence resides amongst his people.

But there was still an element of unapproachability about it. You couldn't really enter it unless you were the high priest. And even when the high priest entered God's presence, it was done so with a level of fear and trepidation. Secondly, the tabernacle was the symbol of God's revelation, how God communicates to God's people. There at the tabernacle, it was the messages, the tablets, the law for the people of God. God's glory, third, was housed at the tabernacle and God's holiness was there at the fourth as a symbol at the tabernacle because you couldn't even enter the tabernacle system unless you had been covered in the blood of a lamb.

All of Leviticus. All of Leviticus. And so when John just, I think sometimes we memorize verses that we don't really understand the thrust behind them. When John says the word became flesh and dwelt amongst us, to a Jewish individual that's reading that verse and saying, okay, the creator of the universe tabernacles amongst us

and has taken flesh in his mind instantly. He's thinking that the tabernacle is the representation of at least those four things, God's presence, God's revelation, how God reveals himself to his people, God's glory. This is too wonderful. God is not just the bigger and better version of you.

He's a glorious God who dwells in unapproachable light and is not just the bigger and better version of you. He's a glorious God who dwells in unapproachable light and is not tainted one iota by sin. And then also God's holiness. And that's what God was hammering into his people for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years is you can't just waltz into the presence of God. Sacrifices must be made because God hates sin. He punishes sin. And so his wrath would be poured out on a substitute. So at least that background has to be in the mind of a Christian to understand what Jesus came to fulfill in the incarnation, which is when he took on flesh. And all of that should be, as kind of students of scripture, that should be preloading our understanding as we kind of open the New Testament and we come to the Christmas account. All of that is kind of backloaded for the setting

the scene of this baby that's going to be born. Yeah. And I think that preloading is important. B.B. Warfield once said, the Old Testament may be like into a chamber, richly furnished, but dimly lit. The introduction of light brings into it nothing which has not been in it before, but it brings into clear view much of what is in it, but was only dimly or even not at all perceived before. Meaning that when you read the Old Testament or when you read the New Testament and you read it with the Old Testament in mind, you begin to understand things and go, okay, now this all makes sense. Because again, in Luke 24, Jesus is going to tell people that the point of the entire Old Testament sacrificial tabernacle feast and festival systems was to

point towards his arrival. And so you can't understand why Jesus came, the purpose for why he came if you don't understand the Old Testament. But back to you in regards to seven reasons why Jesus is the greater tabernacle. The first of which is that Jesus is the greater tabernacle because he's not just amongst us. He became one of us. That's what John is getting at in John 1, 14, when he says the word became flesh. That word became in Greek, it denotes that you take on something you are not,

that being flesh, without losing what you are, that being God. Meaning that Jesus took on human flesh, but he did not cease to be god at all the word became flesh without ceasing to be the word um you know sometimes in camp language i used to hear people talk about jesus and they would say that jesus was god in a bod and they were trying to be i think funny and and represent the reality that Jesus took on flesh. But it must be understood that Jesus is not just God in a bod, meaning like he was just a God in a man's body.

He was actually fully and truly man. There was nothing human. There's nothing human in us that was alien to him. He had a human mind. He had human affections. He was like us in every single way. So this is a far greater tabernacle than what the people of God experienced in the Old Testament because it wasn't just God's presence dwelling amongst them. This was God taking on human flesh and in a way where he's able to sympathize with us.

Now, if you're asking the question, why did he do this? Why did he become one of us? Well, it says in Hebrews 4, we don't have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way just as we are yet without sin. It says the same thing in Hebrews 2,

but it's encouraging to know the Christmas message is not just about a baby who was born. It's a story of God who became man or took on flesh and knew what it was like to be betrayed and abandoned and knew loss. He was not a machine. It wasn't like he was unaffected and impervious to betrayal and to grief. He weeps at the grave of Lazarus. He knew what it was like to have a hard day. He was hungry. He was thirsty. Everything you've experienced as a man, Jesus also experienced. And this is the grand thrust and kind of beginning foundation of understanding the incarnation.

And so he's a God who can sympathize with our shortcomings in our humanity, and yet he's also without sin. I think that second part is just that bends the mind of he lived the entire life, but I know this life not apart from the sinful shortcomings. I consistently find myself doing the thing which I find myself confessing again and falling short. And yet Jesus lived that life perfectly. Correct. Yeah, he lived it perfectly. And he dwelt with his people. It wasn't like he, Jesus didn't show up and he didn't come with a royal procession. He came and he dwelt amongst us and he walked dirt roads. And God's presence was manifest, not in this complex tabernacle system,

but in skin and bones. And so that would be the first feature of why Jesus is the greater tabernacle. When it says, and the word became flesh and tabernacled amongst us. The second being that just like the tabernacle was the representation of the glory of God in the second, that just like the tabernacle was the representation of the glory of God in the second, Jesus is the greater tabernacle because he is the full display of

the glory of God. In Exodus chapter 33, Moses prays, Lord, I pray, show me your glory. And the reality is Jesus is the answer to Moses's prayer. It says in John 1 14, "'The Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us, "'and we saw His,' what? "'His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, "'full of grace and truth.'" In the Old Testament, God's glory descended upon Mount Sinai with smoke and lightning.

But in the New Testament, when Jesus comes in the incarnation, it descends with meekness and humility and in the frailty of human flesh. And it's interesting that in Ephesians 1, when talking about the glory of Jesus Christ, it says that the glory of God is most clearly represented not in the creation of the mountains or the sustaining of the universe, but the glory of God is most clearly represented as the creator of the universe hangs naked on a tree. And so that would be the second reality that the tabernacle was meant to point us towards the glory of God. Jesus comes in skin and bones.

There was nothing unique about him that would draw you to look at him. You know, Isaiah 53 says, there was no stately form or majesty that you would go, man, that guy's glorious. He was a five foot five Jewish man, but his glory was manifested in his character and the character being him being God. It's just an overwhelming reality. You go back to Moses and Exodus when he asks that God would reveal his glory and Moses and God's response to Moses is let me hide you in the cleft of the rock because you can't even behold my glory. And just you're tying the point together that Jesus is quite literally the manifestation of that same glory that was up on Sinai years later in the form of a very baby who grows into be a child and an adolescent and then a man. Yeah. I mean, that's Hebrews 1.3, speaking of Jesus, and he is the radiance of his glory and the exact representation of his nature and upholds all things by the word of his power. When he obeyed purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, but

Jesus is the embodiment and radiance of the glory of God. And what Isaiah saw lofty and exalted on the throne, took on flesh and dwelt amongst us. So that would be the second feature. The third reality of why Jesus is the greater tabernacle is because he is the incarnate word of God. You know, I mentioned that the tabernacle was the place that house, the tablets, it was the place that house, the revelation of God when he spoke to his people. But it says in Hebrews 1, long ago, God spoke to us. In Hebrews 1.1, it says, God, after he spoke long ago to the fathers and the prophets in many portions and in many ways, meaning that in the Old Testament, God spoke to his people through

a burning bush, a donkey, writing on the wall, the prophets, all of these different ways. It says in verse 2, in these last days, he has spoken to us in his son, whom he has appointed the heir of all things through whom he also made the world. Meaning that the ultimate revelation of who God is, it was encapsulated in a person. And I mentioned this yesterday at church or on Sunday at church,

that when Jesus shows up onto the scene and begins to preach, for the first time in human history, a prophet doesn't begin his address by saying, thus says the Lord, because the one communicating to God's people on behalf of God was God himself. And so he is the full embodiment and the greater revelation of God because he himself is God. Yeah. So keep going, keep unpacking. What's next? The fourth reality of why Jesus is the greater tabernacle, you know, again, the word became flesh and tabernacled amongst us.

So what's so great about Jesus being the tabernacle in comparison with the thousands and hundreds of years that the Jews, you know, observed the tabernacle system. The fourth is that Jesus is the greater tabernacle because we can boldly approach him. This is a, I, a huge idea. And we could talk at length about this. But in Leviticus, the whole book is ingraining and instilling in the people that you don't just waltz into God's presence. There's a part in Leviticus where Nadab and Abihu,

they offer up strange fire and they're consumed by God because they're offering to him worship that is unbecoming of what God deserves. And then God implements this whole sacrificial system. Leviticus 16 is the fulcrum upon which the entire Pentateuch really rests. It's that one day where the high priest would enter the inner sanctum. And it's this day of sacrifices where all of the different sin that maybe even was unknown

amongst the people that they had committed would be placed on a substitute and punished by God. But even during that sacrificial process, it wasn't like these people were walking into the tabernacle system going like, no big deal, I've got my lamb. There was a level of trepidation and fear and awe and reverence that God is not to be trifled with. We live, we live in a world today where God has been defanged. He's like a cosmic grandpa that laughs off the treason of his grandkiddos. But for hundreds of years, God was ingraining in his people.

He hates sin, he punishes sin. And so even the high priest, which would have been presumably the holiest man in the world, he's approaching the holy of holies on that one day with a rope tied around his ankle with the bell on because if he approaches God in an unworthy manner, he's going to be killed.

He's going to be struck down. That background makes the force of Hebrews 4.16 so marvelous where because of the blood of Jesus Christ, we read in Hebrews 4.16, let us draw near with confidence to the blood of Jesus Christ, we read in Hebrews 4.16, let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need. There was zero confidence in approaching the presence of God in the Old Testament because of the problem of sin. But now because of the incarnation, because Jesus came and he came to

live the life we could never live. So he could die the death. We can never die. This is the story of Christmas. We can approach God, not with trepidation, but with boldness. That doesn't mean we're approaching him flippantly. It means we're approaching him reverently like a child would a father, but also to the point where in Romans 8, you can cry out Abba or daddy. The fifth feature is that Jesus is the greater tabernacle because he is full of grace and truth. Going back to John, it says the word became flesh and dwelt amongst us. 114, we saw his glory. What's the glory of God? Well, it says we saw his glory. Glory is of the only begotten from the father, full of grace and truth. Those two attributes are the ones that are most closely associated with salvation, that being grace and truth. Scripture

teaches us that salvation is holy by believing in God's truth in the gospel and the gift of faith, the ability to believe that Jesus is the Christ. That's John's goal in John's gospel. These things I have written to you so that you may believe Jesus the Christ, and in believing you may have life in his name. That gift of faith is a gift of God's grace. Now that word grace is such a unique word. When missionaries are translating the Bible, one of the more difficult words they have in translation is that word grace because it's so contradictory to the way that mankind normally thinks. Now if I was to ask the question,

what is grace? I guess, let me put it to you this way. Let's first ask the question, what is mercy? I explained this to my daughter that mercy is not receiving what you do deserve. You deserve a punishment. I don't give you a punishment. That's mercy. So then what's grace? Grace is getting something when you deserve the opposite of that. We often say that grace is God's favor, unmerited favor, but it's not just unmerited favor. It's actually God's favor when we deserve not just neutrality, but we deserve his justice. And so Jesus is the greater tabernacle because in the same way the tabernacle housed the law, there was no grace in the Old Testament system. The whole point of the law was to point you towards your need for grace. That's Galatians 3. The whole point of the law was so that you

would feel like a fish caught in the net with nowhere to go, unable to keep it perfectly. When you're watching the high priest go in with a rope around his ankle thinking like that. He's far, far more ready than I ever would be. And yet he's walking in with a rope around his ankle because you don't know if you're. No, God's word was given to us to obey, but it's so clear and so pervasive that Romans 3.20, every mouth will be stopped before a holy God because you've understood the law and you go, man, I need grace. And so when Jesus shows up into the scene, he's full of grace and truth. He's not grace at the expense of truth,

and he's not truth, but in diminishing grace, he's both. That's why in Titus 2.11, I love the verse because we talk about God's grace as a thing, as if it's abstract, but Titus 2.11 says that the grace of God appeared, meaning that grace is not a thing. Grace is a person and his name is Jesus Christ. Titus 3.4 says when the kindness of God appeared,

that is an incarnated reality. Meaning if you're ever trying to think about God's kindness, God's kindness again is not a thing. God's kindness is embodied in the person of Jesus Christ. This is what makes God glorious. It's not just his power. It's not just his sovereignty. It's his grace. And then obviously we also mentioned his truth because from Jesus himself, we hear and find the truth about God, the truth about man, the truth about heaven, the truth about hell, the truth about salvation, the truth about faith. And in a world starving for the truth, people are saved in 1 Timothy 2.4 when they come to the knowledge of the truth and they can do that only by coming to the revelation of Jesus truth, and they can do that only by coming

to the revelation of Jesus Christ as he speaks through his word. And so therefore we can trust him. Therefore we can trust this incarnated grace and truth, miracle-working Savior. I think one thing to add just in regards to the truth, sometimes we think about truth just in the realm of the absence of falsities. But when John says the word became flesh and he's full of grace and truth, truth also means sure. It means reliable.

It means certain that as we celebrate the incarnation and Jesus taking on human flesh, the Jesus that we're worshiping is not a trickster. He's not a scam artist. He's not a fraud. He's genuine. He's sure. He's reliable. You can put your faith in him because he's full of grace and truth, not just in what he says, but in who he is. Yeah. So if I'm counting correctly, that was the fifth way in which Jesus is the greater tabernacle. Maybe cue out for us six. Yeah, six. Jesus is the greater

tabernacle because he himself is going to be our final sacrifice. One of the reasons we celebrate the Christmas holiday is because we know that it's ultimately the introduction for Good Friday. We celebrate his birth because he was that the entire time he lived for those 33 years, he had his mind fixed on the cross. That wasn't like something he found out about in his 30s. What the heck? No, he came to die. And I told you in a reference that the tabernacle system in the Old Testament was the center for the offering of sacrifices. And yet when the one of whom the tabernacle points towards came, the sacrifice that was offered was himself. And so that's the interesting and the marvelous reality. The word became flesh

and tabernacled amongst us. And the sacrifice that was made was the tabernacle himself. He is not only the representation of God's presence and God's glory, but he's also the representative on the cross of sinful man because he becomes the sin bearer on our behalf because that fellowship we were talking about at the beginning between God and man cannot be restored unless our sin is paid for. And Jesus, then it just come as an expression of solidarity. He came to be our sacrifice and that's why he's the greater tabernacle. And then just seventh and finally, Jesus is the greater tabernacle because obviously we celebrate his first advent. And just for people that hear that term all the time, advent just means arrival, adventus.

We celebrate his first advent when he came in meekness and humility. But we know the end of the story. And this is part of the reason I love the storyline of the Bible. At the beginning of the Bible, we read about God tabernacling or dwelling with his people in the garden.

Sin fractures that. In the book of Exodus, we read that the tabernacle system where God would once again dwell amongst his people in the garden. Sin fractures that. In the book of Exodus, we read that the tabernacle system where God would once again dwell amongst his people. Then we read in John, the word became flesh and tabernacled amongst us. But in the closing words of the Bible itself in Revelation 21, we read,

and I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, behold, the tabernacle of God is among men and he will dwell. That's the same word again, skino, among them, and they shall be his people and God himself will be among them. And he will wipe away every tear from their eye and there will be no longer any death. There will be no longer any mourning or crying or pain. The first things that passed away. So the Bible begins with God dwelling amongst his people and eternity will never end, but eternity moves forward for all of infinity with God himself tabernacling amongst his people because that was his intention from the beginning. And that'll be the reality for

all of infinity. Yeah. Well, and just as we walk into this Christmas season, it's a phenomenal reminder of the biblical story of a king is coming. A king is coming. The king is here. His name is Jesus. You can repent and place your trust and faith in him. And not only that, he's coming back. And so maybe the greatest gift and not maybe definitively the greatest gift anyone can

receive in a Christmas season is that reality that's already been put on offer for all of us. Maybe do you have any other practical takeaways as we kind of wrap up this conversation? Yeah, I think just some practical thoughts in light of the incarnation, which again is just this fact that the creator of the universe, the one who said, let there be light, the one who said to the ocean, you know, thus far you shall come and no further, the one who binds the chains of the stars in Job. The fact of the incarnation should, first of all, produce humility because you have a higher view of God and consequently you should have a lower view of yourself. When you think about the reality that God took on human flesh, that should make you humble. Secondly, it should cultivate comfort that the God who came and took on flesh also knows how to sympathize with our weaknesses. He knows pain.

He knows trouble. He knows trial. He knows betrayal. He knows the things that you're going through. This is one of the realities. I mention it often in Psalm 8 that David says, when I look at the stars, the moon, the sun, everything you've made, what is man that you are mindful of him?

And yet we know what David never knew, that God is not just mindful of the things that we go through. He experienced the things that we go through because he took on flesh. Third, the incarnation should elicit evangelistic boldness and zeal this Christmas season, especially if we can recognize the reality that Jesus Christ came from his heavenly throne and descended to lowly mankind to save sinners. That ought to encourage us to walk across the street and say, hey, let me tell you the hope that I have this Christmas season. This is more than just a day for presents for me.

This is the very basis of my hope for all of eternity. And then I think just fourth and finally, the incarnation should produce in us and should make us out of anybody in the world grateful, grateful. So often we go into the Christmas season and we're wondering what we're going to get. And the reality is if we're believers in Jesus Christ, we've already received the greatest gift we could ever be given. That's John 1, 12, I think just two verses earlier, but as many as received him, to them, he gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in his name. We received a precious gift. And it says that because he gave us the right, not just to be saved, but to be children of God. And that could only happen

because he took on flesh. Yeah. Well, I appreciate those. That's a good, maybe a bow on the conversation. I think practically just the humility, the comfort, the encouragement to go share that truth with others and just the gratitude all wrapped up in this Christmas season. I appreciate you taking the time to unpack this with us this afternoon. No, absolutely. Thanks, Hank.

Yeah, appreciate it