Dig It with Jo Whiley and Zoe Ball - 37: DIG IN: “My Teen Was Sextorted”

Episode Date: November 17, 2025

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Coming up on digits, they can't take a phone call without panicking. I mean, it's ridiculous. I have to phone up. When I call any of them, I just have to go, it's okay, nobody's died. It's just mum. I'm just checking how you are. You know, because we mustn't feel guilty because life is so fast and there's so much going on. And sometimes quiet moments are just so important. Doesn't it give you hope, Joe? It's so lovely to hear stories of people meeting later in life. All of that right after this. When you think about businesses that are selling through the roof, Allbirds, skims, sure, you think about a great product, a cool brand, and brilliant marketing. But an often overlooked secret is actually the businesses behind the business, making selling, and for the shoppers buying, simple. For millions of businesses, that business is Shopify. Nobody does selling better than Shopify, home of the number one. checkout on the planet. And the not so secret secret, with shop pay, that boosts conversions

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was black and white stripes. And then I thought, no, maybe I'm in. a green kind of mood and I changed. We would have been matching. Oh, can you imagine how confusing that would have been for everybody, considering they all think we're the same person anyway. They always think we're the same person. So now they'd be like, well, how are we supposed to tell you apart? I don't know how you're feeling, but every week when we do this, I keep thinking, what am I going to wear? And I didn't want to buy anything new. I thought I'm going to go retro and go into my wardrobe. So this is my old Glastonbury jumper, I think, that I wore years ago. So yeah, it's kind of Kurt Cobainish. I really like it. I know. I love it. It's like oversized. It's

grungy. It's fantastic. It's very on fleek as well. Although there's probably a more modern way of saying on fleek. Can the kids let us know what that is now, please? It's now stretched so long. It's almost like a jumper. Like I need to hits my ankles. You know how wool sometimes just stretches. I was a big fan of a jump dress, but we're talking in the 80s. I loved a jumper. And they were quite itchy fibres then in those days. No, you're right, because I keep seeing knitwear everywhere that I think, oh my God, I just need that jumper and that jumper and then thinking, no, you have loads of jumpers, recycle them, wear them, make them work for you and save the planet. But yeah, don't be surprised if I'm in a new jumper next week because I can't resist.

We have so many diggers have been in touch. And first up, we have a question from Joe. Hi, Zoe and Joe. I do have a question for you. But first, I just wanted to say how much I love the podcast. It's just so refreshing to have two women going through the same things as me and talking so honestly and open. It really makes me look forward to Monday mornings every week. But my question is this. So like you and many diggers, I've walked the tightrope of being a working mom, trying to juggle family life, marriage, career, etc. I've also had issues of dealing with a parent with early onset dementia, looking after an older grandparent and also sadly losing a brother to suicide.

But I have been lucky enough to have the support of an amazing husband. My kids are now wonderful adults who've left home and are making their own lives. But there are still two issues that niggle away with me. I now feel so guilty about having the time to relax and enjoy myself and always feel that I should be doing something, whether that's housework or whatever. I just can't sit down and read a book in the middle of the afternoon. that feels so indulgent. So how do you force yourself to have time to yourself and not feel guilty? And also with all the trauma in my past, I have a terrible catastrophizer. I always assume

the worst will happen. So I'd really love to hear how other people deal with this. Thanks so much for the podcast. Keep up the great work. Oh, Joe. So lovely to hear from you. My goodness me, you have dealt with a hell of a lot there, Joe. Just one of those situations. is a lot and the layers there that Joe has dealt with she's doing great to even be able to talk about

all these things it's incredible isn't it when you just layer the traumas that people go through in their lives you're just spinning plates aren't you yeah you're just constantly

trying to keep everything going when you've got a situation with a parent or a grandparent and Joe losing her brother you've just got so many things that you are constantly have to deal with so you're in a constant state

of alerts that flight or fight feeling yeah losing someone to suicide as well is a trauma like no other because it brings so many layers of guilt and what if you've done something different and da da da da da and those those things can go round and round and round. Joe, firstly, I think you should cut yourself a bit of slack, my darling. You sound like an amazing lady who has coped with a hell of a lot and probably could really do with someone guiding you through some of this a little bit because there's quite a lot to one

pack there for you, I think. And this is what we tend to do as humans. We keep going. We keep going. We're like, no, no, no, it's all right. It's okay. It's just keep going and we'll do with this and deal with that. And sometimes it's actually really good to sit down and talk to a professional about just some of these things. Someone who can help you just unpack a lot of that, I think would be something amazing for you. Yeah, I think, as I mentioned, you get into this constant state, I think of your adrenaline just pumping, just keeping you going. So, it's flight or fire all the time. So you're just going at a million miles an hour constantly. And then when that is not needed, when that adrenaline is not needed, that's when you crash and you

burn and you feel exhausted and you feel like you don't know what to do with yourself and you've got these strange feelings running through you all the time and you're restless and you just don't know what to do. So I think, yeah, the option is talking to people. That's something I find quite hard to do. So I prefer my relaxation to kind of keep myself busy. I'm sorry. I'm in the same situation, Joe, where I find it really hard to sit down and read a book in an afternoon. I can maybe assign a television program to myself and just not kind of think, right, I'm going to sit here and I'm going to watch a whole film in the afternoon. I'm going to make myself relax. But I'll watch an episode and just have like 45 minutes of sitting there with

something I really enjoy eating, whether it's a pan of chocolate or whether it's some cuskuts or whatever and just watching an episode of a TV show. And just that little bit is a bit of respite for you. That's a little bit of relaxation. And you might not feel so guilty about it. Whereas I think sitting down watching Gone with the Wind, I get this claustrophobic panicky feeling if I commit to watching something very long or going to the cinema even, I just cannot relax because I am catastrophizing like you Joe. I'm just thinking there must be something terrible going on in the world. Something must have happened to somebody in my family. So I think maybe just don't be too ambitious in the beginning. Just have a small thing to aim for, watch a small episode of a show.

Maybe married at first sight day by day by day, just a little episode like that. Something stupid and funny that will give you a break from the trauma that you've had, from the pressure that you've had, all the stuff that you've had to do physically and mentally supporting people. Just try and give yourself a break. And we've talked about the joy of pottery cafes or those quiet spaces going to meet craft people

or going on walking clubs. Those things are really invaluable and I would recommend any of those. Just for a bit of stillness, just to calm everything down for you. It's so funny, isn't it, how we insist on keeping going, how we're like, no, no, I couldn't possibly do, you know, I've got to just keep running, running, running on adrenaline. Because that's how we're programmed though, isn't it?

That's the vital play thing. We're programmed and the world around us is so fast and everything keeps moving and we've got to keep achieving and all these people are doing this. I've got to do this. I've got to do that. You know, it's almost like we've forgotten the art of being still and giving ourselves that bit of time. And maybe it's sort of changing the language around it a little bit, you know, because

we carry such guilt. we carry guilt for if we're working all the time and we're not supporting our kids or we're not supporting our friends who are going through things and then we feel guilty if we do take a little bit of time for ourselves. I've had a lot more time on my hands recently and sometimes that can be a bit scary because you're in it and you're thinking, oh, but I'm trying to sort of program myself to yeah, sit down and eat your lunch slowly and enjoy it or, you know, instead of when I'm running around doing loads of jobs, sometimes I'm like, I'm going to buy a cup of tea and I'm going to buy myself some food and I'm going to sit down and I'm going to read I bought a load of magazines

I was not going to read a magazine I look at the pictures but I you know I was going to read this whole magazine take some time for yourself it's really important to do that and perhaps changing the language around it you know because we mustn't feel guilty because life is so fast and there's so much going on and sometimes quiet moments are just so important like you say joe going for a walk. Sometimes I just make myself go for a walk. Breathe in and out, you know, just to have some time. Because what is 20 minutes? What is an hour in a lifetime of chaos and being what you have to be for everyone all the time? We sort of need to retrain ourselves into giving ourselves that time back that we've given to everybody else. You know, it's all right to do that. Yeah. We've talked

before about, or I've talked before about losing some friends all around the same kind of time. So we had a period of time when we had to break bad news to our kids constantly, it felt like, like constantly. And so now they can't take a phone call without panicking. I mean, it's ridiculous. I have to phone up. When I call any of them, I just have to go, it's okay, nobody's died. It's just mum. I'm just checking how you are. And I mean, I literally start nearly every conversation like that because they are so on hyper vigilance. They're so hyper alert waiting for the bad news that's going to follow. And I think probably it'll be years of talking to. people and having therapy to get them out of that state of mind. So I really do understand

Joe, what you're saying about that. And I think the only answer is, is probably therapy. Yeah. You're so right as well because, you know, you go from one trauma to another to another. It's like every call that comes or every time anyone has any news. And also another thing, I've had this discussion with lots of friends as well is sometimes when other people then share their traumas with you, you get to a point where you can't sort of take. anymore. It's sort of like you become numb slightly and someone might tell you some really devastating news and you're like, yeah, okay. And it's like you can't react anymore because there's been so much has happened. Just a big overload. It is like an overload. And, you know,

I'm going to sit at friend the other day. I was like, well, everyone stop dying. But the sad thing is that doesn't stop. You know, people get sick. Terrible things happen. But what you do have to remind yourself is you're here and you've got a lot of living to do because it's one time for us all. And I think that's something because I've lost lots of loved ones and I really struggle with that. And sometimes I just have to have a word and be like, so live your life. You're not here that long. And all those loved ones you've lost will want you to live it and live it hard. And that might not be living hard in the way that I used to when I was younger. But it's like take those moments, it, be here, and try not to worry. Because unfortunately, life will bring back more chaos and more

trauma, but just live for you. And Joe, I think that's something you probably really need to do is enjoy little moments of living for you and your brother, your late brother and your family would want you to have those moments. And I'm so glad you've got a brilliant supportive husband who's very much there for you because you really deserve and need that. love and support. So, but Joe, live your life for you. The best thing that I do is go over and see my mum and dad and they are so matter of fact about everything. It just completely cuts any kind of catastrophizing I have in my head and when I'm feeling really sorry for myself or for my friends and I'm there and I'm like, oh yeah, and this happens so and they're like, yep, right,

yep, that's life, yep, that happens. And it really is such a great tonic because it just makes you go, yeah, you're absolutely right. Yeah, you've had loads of people that have died in your life because that's what happens as you get older and you just crack on and live your own life. So, yeah, if I ever I need sort of a touch of a reality check, I'll just speak to my mum or speak to my dad or my grandma would have been exactly the same and they're just like, yep, that happens and deal with it.

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So if you're into growing your business, your commerce platform better be ready to sell wherever your customers are scrolling or strolling on the web, in your store, in their feed, and everywhere in between. Businesses that sell more, sell on Shopify. Upgrade your business and get the same checkout skim's uses. Sign up for your $1 per month trial period at Shopify.com slash audio boom, all lowercase. Go to Shopify.com slash audio boom to upgrade your selling today. Shopify.com slash audio boom. We have another question next, and this is from Becky. And Becky says, hey Joe and Zoe, I'm 36 and loving the podcast. Thank you. You're both teaching me how to be a proper adult because you're 36, right, and preparing me for what is to come in my life. My husband and I bought our first house five years ago, and it's a do-a-upper. We're finally getting around to doing the kitchen, the dining room and the bathroom in January. Hearing Joe pick a kitchen color has resonated with me, the dread that you're choosing the wrong thing and you're spending all that money. We've gone. We've gone, for neutral colours but I love that everything around you both on the podcast is so colour

have you got any tips for introducing more colour? Does it need to be all coordinated, stores that you like or hints or tips, budget friendly please? And that is from Becky. I love that she's 36 and she's listening to us to who are 20 and 20 something years older than her. Becky, it's so exciting getting your first place. See, this is the thing, I used to be very neutral with colours. you could introduce colour with, you know, cushions. I mean, my whole family are like, oh my God, more cushions, more, but the great thing with cushions, it doesn't cost a fortune if you want to change the colours or change the covers, you know, once you've got your cushion in it's, if you fancy a little change

in a room, you can add a bit of colour by changing your cushions or by changing vases or bringing in flowers and stuff like that. So I was very beigey for years. my mum was always very beigey and I would just sort of slightly change the, you know, the pops of colour in the room. I tell you who I was looking at the other day who I adore Joanne McNally and she has, she's done a shoot in her lounge and she's got introductions of really bright, vibrant colours because she wears really vibrant colours and she's a really vibrant, funny girl. I love her. I love her attitude to life. And I was thinking, yeah, wow, that's brilliant because she's got quite a

white-based apartment, but she's got these great pops of colour and really bright bits of art. So she's definitely someone to look at, Becky. With the kitchen, I have actually gone for neutrals because we did have the pale grey. And now I'm thinking, oh, God, should I have done something more outlandish? But I was tied in because I've got a really bright blue sofa and bright blue curtains. So it had to be something. It couldn't be a clashing colour. So at the moment, the kitchen is chalk, but then I've got tiles to go on. So I'm either going to put really bright, vibrant tiles or pattern tiles and then I might possibly do wallpaper and I love wallpaper. You can see the one behind me now and so I think you've got some really great

wallpaper too. Yeah, I've got well into wallpaper now. Yeah, it's such a fun thing to do though to put these great artwork on the wall behind you and it's so dramatic and changes somewhere completely and utterly. So I think wallpaper is a really really great thing to do Becky and there are lots of stores on well places online that I look at. Rockets and George is really good for fun stuff If you want like statement lighting or, you know, those boxes with words on, it's quite sweary a lot of times. Lots of leopard print there. Not on the high street. It has some good stuff.

Cox and Cox. Also, Garden Trading Company. These are websites that I go to and I buy bits and pieces. But like Zoe, I quite like the neutral background because all my other walls in the house are largely strong white and pointing. And then on the walls, I've just got lots of really gaudy, garish artwork, posters, bits of, memorabilia. So yeah, you can do that. Zara Home is really good. They closed the Zara Home in Brighton and they lost a lot of money. I mean, I think I was individually holding that shop open and just alone I couldn't keep it open. But yeah, I really miss Zara Home because they are excellent. Yeah.

And also, you know, we've got an IKEA down here now in the town and that's pretty good. And it's always great to just wander around a home store because also Next and MNS have been doing some really bright, fun bits of furniture, great blankets, really fun at art, and they're really good prices. The most important thing is you're going to have so much fun. Yeah, if you're kicking this off in January, because it's quite a dreary time. So to have a project to look into, you're going to have a lovely time. Like, you can see the vibrancy of these cushions when you were saying about cushions, Zoe, I've got so many bright pink, turquoise purple cushions all around. I love buying a good cushion. Yeah. And there are lots of high street stores.

And like if you want a bit of inspiration, head into one of your cities and just find, You've got H&M home, really cheap, really reasonable. IKEA, so good. Through Sainsbury's you can buy Habitat now, and they're really good prices. So, you know, there's lots of ways of doing interiors. That's why I quite like buying the magazines. Because you buy the magazines, and they have the posh version, which is, you know, hundreds and hundreds of pounds.

And then they do the cheap, high street versions of very similar things. And you can compare notes and go, oh, look, I can get that something similar for much cheaper. So I love seeing things like that. Oh my God, living, etc. Kitchen's bedrooms, bathrooms. Oh, Becky, can you send us pictures as well? Yes, do. Because Joe and I were really jealous of Emma Willis's kitchen last week.

Yeah, we were. We were. But I was sending Joe pictures like, look at Emma Willis's kitchen. It's really cool. I nearly went pink and then Emma's gone pink and I was like, oh, I should have gotten pink. Damn it. I should have gone pink. But I'm too, fabulous. I'm too conscious of the rest of the family and they were all just going, don't do a pink

kitchen. So I went, no, okay, I won't. My kids never like the stuff I do. No. But I'm like, when you're older, you can have your own home and then you can pay for the decorations and that. This is, you know, I'm there is, I'm like, I won't go in Nell's, I won't do Nell's room, that's fine. But they're all like, oh, I'm not sure about this, and they love it now and they really love the fish wallpaper in the

loo. I'm like, see, it's all right. They just don't like change. Now, a few weeks ago, we talked about phone scams. And this is something that we're really keen for you to listen to. And it's kind of surprised us and shocked us, but it's really important. and we got this voice note. Hello, Joe and Zoe. This is a bit of a vulnerable one, so I'd like to be just anonymous. Following on from your chat a few weeks ago now

about the AI of your voices, it got me thinking earlier this year, our eldest teen was unfortunately scammed. And after the event, we found out that actually it's a huge problem for a lot of teenagers, and yet there's a lot of shame around it, and we haven't really discussed it with wider family or with friends

because we want to protect our teen's dignity. And it's a bit of a tricky one. But they are not, I guess, your typical teen. They haven't quite found their tribe yet. And so on occasion, they're a little bit lonely. And they joined a chat app to try and meet new people. And they discussed that with us. And they are 17.

and it was totally an appropriate app and they used it to chat. Anyway, they hadn't had it very long when they came and said to us that sadly, they had shared a photo of them, not their genitals, just of them. They had been asked for a photo

and they had shared a photo of their face, just, you know, a portrait-type photo. However, the recipient had then doctored it with some genitals and had had, basically blackmailed them. They had handed over 250 pounds initially, then they had handed over some gift cards for Amazon. In the end, they had lost 300 pounds, which is a lot of money for anyone, but for a 17-year-old who works very hard shifts at a pub, you know, it was fairly

devastating and they were absolutely devastated that it happened and were very panicked. Thank goodness they had come to us. You know, we could solve the situation with blocking numbers and various other things. We reported it to the police and unfortunately the police weren't very supportive and yeah, that wasn't the best decision I don't think for us in the end. But yeah, it's actually called sex torsion and the percentage of teenagers who's first kind of sexual encounter with anybody is actually now sextortion is ridiculously high. And it's not talked about.

And yeah, I just thought it might help other listeners out there who might be feeling that they've failed if this has happened to their young person. Just to highlight that it's a blibeming minefield. We didn't have these things when we were teenagers. There weren't these pitfalls to fall into. And now, even safe in their own houses, unfortunately, they're not always safe from these things. Anyway, thanks for the pod. It's always a great listen and you cover such a range of topics.

It's brilliant. Thank you so much for sharing that experience. That sounds so traumatic and devastating for a 17-year-old. It's just, I mean, these people are despicable, aren't they? That they will prey on vulnerable people. And that must be so upsetting for a 17-year-old to go through something like that. And thank goodness they have a family where they could eventually talk about it, but not without paying out money and being blackmailed. I mean, that's so awful. Can you imagine the turn? The turmoil, though. Yeah, the turmoil that that would cause. That poor kids sitting there in the bedroom going, what do I do? This is horrendous. Yeah. It's enough being a teenager going through everything that goes with that without reaching out and trying to, you know, make some friends on what seems quite a safe platform. And it's not even having shared anything. I've talked to Nell. It was not something that really affects Wu when he was younger. But I've shared with Nell, you know, they had big chats at school about never share. images. And I sort of reiterated that chat with her, you know, don't share images. But I guess you know, you're sort of thinking as sort of quite private images that you might, that could be sexualised, but to actually just share a photograph that is then made into something that is sexual. Thank you so much for sharing this situation because we can play this out on the

podcast and people will hear this and maybe chat to your teens. To have a poor kid who's lonely, who's feeling like they just want to meet other people and going on a completely innocuous chat room, that your parents have sanctions and said it's fine and then you must just be sitting there and not knowing, yeah, yeah, just trusting everybody your trust must be completely destroyed. I think this is a really good example of something to talk to your teenagers about actually

is, you know, just being so careful online because there's always someone out there to make a fast buck out of people. If anyone listening has also had an experience of sextortion with either yourself or your kids and you had a way to deal with it, we would love to hear from you. I think it's a subject that we're really,

really, you know, keen to pass on to other families and parents and carers and try and work out the best way to deal with it and just raise awareness of it. So, yeah, let us know. Show notes. That's all the details. Okay, we have a question from Meg. Meg says, hey Joe and Zoe. Zoe, you might vaguely remember coming to Edinburgh in June 2022 and bumping into a cheeky Scottish chappie. Kev. Hang on a minute. was waiting for me to arrive on the next plane. This is Kev. I remember this.

After initially meeting on holiday. I just got randomly talking to this guy, Kev, at the airport, and I was like, oh, you made, he told me he was waiting to meet this girlie about on holiday. This is amazing. Fast forward, three in a bit years, we're still going strong and are getting married next summer. Oh, my Lord. It's like the beginning, middle and end of a story. Question for you and Joe, do you have.

Any advice for arranging a wedding at our age? Wedding dresses all seem to target the slim 20-somethings who haven't even heard the word menopause. Any thoughts on doing things differently being slightly more mature at 52? From Meg, Meg and Kevin, this is so wonderful. They're getting married. It doesn't it give you hope, Joe? It's so lovely to hear stories of people meeting later in life and getting together and finding each other in this crazy world. Meg and Kevin. I'm so happy for you. Oh, I remember it really well. I don't know whether I just

bothered him. I was like, hello, you're right. You're waiting for someone. I think I probably did because I do that all the time. Right. Weddings in your 50s. What do we reckon, Joe? Have you been to many? Have you been to many weddings of people this age? Well, do you know what? There's a lovely friend of mine to get married next year and I'm really excited because generally there's not a lot of weddings for us a lot to go through in our 50s and 60s. So when there is one, it's really exciting. I think you just got to make it up, Meg and Kevin, do it your way. I mean, who says you have to wear a wedding dress? You can wear whatever you like. On my drive back from work in London, I go past the Marlaboone registry office and there's the steps. So every time I drive

past there's somebody different getting married and all walks of life, all ages, all generations, and you see people wearing all sorts of things. So you can go traditional and, you can go traditional and you could wear a white suit, you could wear a suit. But you could actually just wear something you would love. Like an amazing dress that you'd wear again. You could wear a great suit. You can wear anything you like really, can't you? To get married in your 50s.

Yeah, absolutely. That's the joy of being older because you've got more confidence and you know what you like. You know what suits you. You know what you feel comfortable in. Most important thing on your wedding day, be comfortable. You don't want to be wearing something that's making you feel really awkward and itchy.

And yeah, you don't have to be traditional. You can just do it your way. Meg and Khev, I am so happy to hear the next bit of the story of the romance. And yeah, if you need a wedding DJ, let us know. Yeah, sorted. We've covered a lot. We have. I just wanted to show you something that was, I bumped into a lovely lady local to me,

and she made us some bags. I'm going to put this in the post to you. So this is a tote bag, kind of Hessian at the bottom and Hessian handles. And the image on the front, I just hold it in front of my face. If people are watching this, it's you and me. It's the outline of our photograph that we have. had done in the in front of the minuscule of sound. That's amazing. It's cool, isn't it? That is so cool. Aren't people clever with their craft? Yeah, all you makers out there. We love seeing what

you're doing. I like embroidered us. Yes, I do too. I love, yeah, we with no, I can't see my jowls. There's no wrinkles. There's no facial definition. It's just clear, smooth and that's how we like it. Oh, thank you very, very much. Enjoy the rest of your week and we'll see you on Wednesday. We'll be back for another dig it on Wednesday. Thank you for your questions. If you have any more that you want to get to us, all the details. All the details. all the information is there for you in the show notes. Yeah. Keep reaching out. We love it. Bye, Joe. Have a great week. Bye, digger. See ya. Bye.

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