Dig It with Jo Whiley and Zoe Ball - 68: DIG IN - French Plait Envy, Olympic Overshares and the Most Uplifting Funeral Story Ever

Episode Date: February 23, 2026

Jo & Zo discuss the shocking Olympics interview confession that’s had everyone talking. Reece has been in touch about her incredible fundraising efforts for CoppaFeel’s Great Wall of China trek. Plus we have an emotional message from Helen about the unique and beautiful way she celebrated the life of her wonderful son Myles. Tissues recommended.  GET IN TOUCH📧 Email us: [e-mail]📱 Text or Voice Note: 07477 038795💬 Or tap here to send a voice note or message on WhatsApp:⁠ ⁠https://wa.me/447477038795SPECIAL THANKS TO OUR SPONSORSThis episode is brought to you by Saily, NS&I and Ancient + Brave✨ Traveling soon? Saily is an easy-to-use eSIM app that lets you download a digital SIM straight to your phone before you travel. No fiddly plastic cards and no eye-watering roaming charges. Just choose your destination, buy a data plan and you’re connected the moment you land. It works in over 200 destinations worldwide. Use code DIGIT for 15% off your first purchase at checkout. Download Saily via the App Store. https://www.saily.com/digit ✨ NS&I - Got plans for the future — whether it’s helping the kids, renovating the house, or finally sorting that savings pot? NS&I has been helping people save for over 160 years, and every pound you invest is 100% backed by HM Treasury. Start your savings journey today at https://www.nsandi.com/✨Ancient + Brave – This January isn’t about being “good”, it’s about having energy that actually lasts. Ancient + Brave’s True Creatine+ supports strength, cognition and steady energy without the jitters or crash. It’s neutral tasting, dissolves easily and fits effortlessly into real life. They’re also a certified B Corp and members of 1% for the Planet, so it’s good for you and good for the planet too. Subscribe and save 20% on your monthly wellness rituals, plus get a free ritual scoop. Head to ancientandbrave.earth to get started.CREDITSExec Producer: Jonathan O’SullivanProducer: Samantha PsykAssistant Producer: Eve JonesTechnical Producer: Oliver GeraghtyVideo Editors: Danny Pape and Jack Whiteside

Coming up on Digit. I did hear that Disco Steve was recognized the other night at your gig, getting bright. Somebody went up and went, oh, you, Disco, Steve. Oh, my God. We achieved such a great leaving party for the most incredible son. Brother and friend, I'm sorry. No. Here we go.

Oh, Helen, the freaking wreck. You've been together for six months and it takes you three months to cheat on her. The flags. I think you deserve her back. Yeah. Is that too long to ask for someone to just keep it in? your pants. All of that right after this. Hi Joe. Hi Zoe. You're wearing such a nice blue t-shirt, but I can't see the words on it.

It says, nobody does, I won't sing. It says nobody does it better. One of the greatest bond themes of all time, Carly Simon, but I am actually wearing this for everybody who has taken part in the Winter Olympics. No matter, obviously Team G.B, I have loved so many of them, but I just want to say to all the athletes who have taken part in the Winter Olympics, thank you for the joy that you have brought into our lives over the last couple of weeks. I have been fully immersed. I have loved every minute of it. And isn't it wonderful to see so many incredible humans from across the world, you know, who have trained so hard. Their families have given up so much to help them in the sports they're in. And they have entertained us and are maybe

feel so joyous. So I'm wearing this for them. It's just been amazing to watch the human body and the human spirit, people just striving to do things that you should not be able to do, but they have gone for it and then some. And I am particularly enjoying those people who come in and they come in last and they punch the air and they are so delighted to have been at the Winter Olympics. They're like, I've done it. I've been here to not have the pressure of coming first or second or third or whatever, but they are just so delighted to have achieved that, to be an Olympic athlete. That has made my heart sing more than anything. I must particularly mention Jack's Jeffreys

who's a biathlete and he'd had some at one of his skis had not gone brilliantly and he seemed so deflated and he still had the sprint to do but you know what? When Team G.B walked out on the opening ceremony he was there and he's been so brilliant on the socials and he's

an amazing chap and I just wanted to shout him out for bringing the vibes and and he's just been fabulous and that's the thing. And lots of people comment doesn't matter how you've done. You're an Olympian. You are forever an Olympian.

And there's not many of us that can say that. Speaking of the biathletes that have been amazing us, do we go there? Do we mention the guy who won his medal and then confessed to having had an affair? He'd been with a girl for six months. After three months, he cheated on her. And he thought, what he'd do in his post medal interview

was confess his undying love to her and say that he just wanted to win her back. her heart back and, you know, he just wanted to confess to the world and just proceeded to just cry throughout the entire interview. I'm not sure that is going to win her back. I'm really not convinced because, I mean, you've been together for six months and it takes you three months to cheat on her. The flags. I think he deserves her back. Yeah. No, I mean, three months. Is that too long to ask for someone to just, you know, keep it in your pants? You can't really love someone, can you, if you're willing to do that? I mean, he's only young. He's 28. So I guess, you know,

but if you want to live your life and be free. But if you can't be faithful for three months, there's not much hope. Seriously, the flags there. I mean, the fact that he cheated after three months, then he wants to talk about it in public. I don't know. But I mean, if that was you, would you take him back?

No. No. I think also there's a thing about keeping your private life and your professional life separate, right? We all have things going on in our private lives that when you come to do your job, you just put a lid on it and you just go on and you do the job. you don't use the world's media to then confess that you've cheated on somebody and try and win her back.

It's not dignified. It's not going to work more than anything in the world. I think just hold it together and then, you know, just call a text or just accept that it's over. Can I just put my hand up here and say, obviously, lots of people know about things that have gone in in my life. So I am no saint and I've not always behaved. None of us are saints. Particularly brilliantly. But, you know, it's so I'm now really judgy. Who that hell of mind to be so, Judge. I feel really bad. So let's not be sanctimonious. Let's just say that.

The thing is, we don't know what it's like to win a medal. If you win a medal, maybe you're just overcome with emotion because it's such an incredible thing to have achieved. And maybe that's the point where you're like, and I just want to say. Yeah, who knows? God knows what we'd confess to. Oh, my God. If you're loving Digit, please hit follow or subscribe wherever you watch or listen.

That way you get new episodes delivered directly and you'll never miss a moment. We've had a text from Bethany, which I would like to read out if that's okay. Bethany says there's been so much in the news about men behaving terribly. Yes, there has. Sometimes it does make me feel a bit worried, especially because I'm raising a young son. I was genuinely delighted to see something really wholesome on Instagram. A guy I follow, Matthew Lewis Carter, shared a post about a pints and ponytails evening that he organised with his dad mates. It's a group of dads with daughters of all different ages, meeting up in a pub to learn.

and how to do proper ponytails for their girls. Wow. I know. Huge shout out to the braid maidens who ran it. The video is so sweet. It's funny and it's full of love. And it honestly made my day and felt totally worth sharing. How cute is that?

Should we see it? So there's loads of dads with girls' world type modeling heads. Yeah, all different models. And they're being taught how to do pigtails. Oh, wow. And French platts. and teach them how to do an easy bun. This is so wonderful.

God, if you're a single dad and you've never done anything like this in your life, of course you've got to learn somewhere. What an amazing idea. I've never learned how to do a French plan and I really wish someone had taught me once. I've always felt I've let Coco down by not being able to do that.

Yeah, I've never been able to do anything like that. And I had a girl's world, but I was such a tomboy that I never, I never really had long hair when I was young. I always had sort of short hair. and yeah, my leg hair was probably more plattable than my head hair. But, yeah, I've never learned to do that. But, Bethany, thanks for pointing that out.

And if ever diggers see things that just make you feel happy about the world, because you're right, we're surrounded by such sort of horror at the moment where you look and think, oh, you do worry for your kids growing up in this world with everything that's going on around us. And it's wonderful to be reminded of joyous, lovely things. And I love the fact that those dads are all getting together as well so they can chat about all sorts of things and when they're together.

In that film that we just played out, there was a little moment where the dad shook hands. It was almost like a fist bump. Yeah, check out my French plat. Check out my braid. Bethany, thank you so much for sharing that joy. Well done, lads. Really impressed with those pony tales.

We have a voice note from Rhys. Maurice from Edinburgh here. Thank you both so much for your podcast. I really love your chat and advice and all the laughs. I don't actually think I've missed an episode since she started last summer. Thank you, Rhys. Back in early 2024,

I found a lump and was diagnosed with breast cancer. And since then, I've had four surgeries, chemotherapy and radiotherapy. And I now have a hormone treatment for a few years and I've targeted therapy for two years. But I'm doing good. And I'm so grateful for the amazing care I've had for all the love and support from my family, my husband, my mum, my children and my fabulous friends.

friends, but I know I'm really lucky to have them around. And so to try and give something back, I applied to join Copperfield's fundraising trek this year. And I can't believe it, but I actually got a place. And in September, I will walk 100 kilometres of the Great Wall of China with a geo-vanifletcher and around 120 other trekkers. And we're all aiming to raise at least £4,000 each. And I just wondered if you and the diggers might have any great fundraising ideas to share. I have a few plans. I've got a wine tasting evening with a Somali friend and a pub quiz with our local version of Disco Steve and a raffle. Some really generous restaurants and local businesses have already donated me a few prizes.

But I'd love to hear if you have any other ideas to help me and the other trekkers too. And together, all the trekkers have raised about £100,000 so far, but we're aiming for 500,000. So thank you for any ideas you have. Big love to you both. And everyone, remember to check your chest. Yes. Reese, oh, it's so good to hear that you're doing great. And well done, you getting on the Copperfield Trek.

I see the footage of that each year and people's messages from doing it. And I just think what an amazing, amazing expedition the wonderful Giovanna Fletcher has created there, this collection of wonderful women who've all experienced, all sorts of things, getting together and having a once in a lifetime incredible trip and also raising loads of money. It's amazing. Rees, you're going to have such an incredible time. But it sounds like she's doing brilliantly on the fundraising. I don't know, Reese, whether you need our advice at all because you're obviously incredibly ingenious. I mean, the amount of things that you've already organised and you've contacted us. So now we're raising awareness and people can contribute. and try and get you to that 500,000 mark just by contacting us on Digget. So, yeah, I'm also so impressed,

by your upbeat attitude and the gratitude that you show and you're just so unbelievably positive, like mentioning all the support you have all around you and just, yeah, dwelling on the positive instead of the negative. So, yeah, absolute respect for you. And thank you for listening to the podcast. I'm glad it kind of brings you a bit of a distraction, diversion in your day. I don't know, I remember doing a sponsored dance

when I was a kid at school that's the only thing I can think of doing. We did a sponsored... What was your style? Disco dance. My mum was massive into, when it came to charity raising because of my system,

we were always doing kind of fundraising for toy libraries and various different clubs. So we did a disco dance and we danced for 12 hours with me and my friends. It was really fun. What were you wearing

when you were doing this disco dance? I'm just trying to think of the era. Were you in a Raroska? Did you have high bunches? Oh my God. I never wore a Rar Oscar. in my life. No, it would probably have been a tank top, I think, probably a tank top

and then a short kind of skirt and some sensible shoes. I was never, I was always like you. I was really tombish. I never really wore anything particularly girly. But you danced for 12 hours. Yeah, it was really fun. It was really, really fun. That's really impressive. That's something

I'd quite like to do, dance for 12 hours. I'm not sure if my legs can take it anymore. Yeah. An auction, maybe Reese, I'm sure I've got something I can give you for an auction, like some kind of a disc. So I will do that for you. to contribute. But I think auctions are really good. There are lots of people who have so much stuff to give away and people are very kind-hearted and very keen to support people who are doing something for a good cause. So maybe that. Did you say you were already doing a raffle? I'm not sure,

but maybe I can start that one or I can contribute. And I love that they have their very own version of Disco Steve and they're going to do a quiz night. I did hear that Disco Steve was recognized the other night at your gig, Keen Brighton. Somebody went up and went, oh, you Disco Steve? It's Because he's got this shock of silver hair, who does he look like? Just kind of silver fox. I mean, it's really lovely because he's still got long hair, which is wonderful. But he really stands out. I was DJing when I did this gig in Bristol.

And all I could see was this shock of hair. And then people just kept floating over to him and talking to him and just going, oh, you're disco Steve. And then talking about how much they love, dig it, which was great, really good to know. That's so encouraging. If anyone has any great fundraising ideas that Reese hasn't already covered. I mean, she's walking the Great Wall of China. She's doing quiz nights.

She's doing all sorts there. If anyone else has got any ideas, I've always loved the idea of doing the sort of London's Paris bike ride because my brother and I really wanted to raise some money for the hospice that helped my mum, because obviously, you know, the hospices run completely on charity and helping people at the end of life is so important, helping families.

So we did a little quiz show that our winnings will go to them. which we're really excited about. But yeah, if anyone else's got any good fundraising ideas for Reese, even though she's totally got it covered. And do let us know how you get on when you go and do the copperfield track. Send us photos. We want photos. We'll post them to everybody else.

You're going to meet some amazing people, Reese, and you take care. And I hope everything keeps going your way, gorgeous girl. Well done you. Today on Digit, we're partnering with Sayley. Joe Wiley, do you have any idea what an e-sim? is. Actually, Zayball, I do. An e-sim is basically a digital SIM card that you might use when travelling. So no fiddly bits of plastic and no losing your main SIM in a hotel room. You just download it straight to your phone. Saly is a great example of a mobile app for travellers that

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Joe's wallpaper. Not only is that mega cool, but it's quite striking and will absolutely stand out. I also think, and I'm looking at it now, I went to a well-being event for Bristol MetaPals Clinic last week, which was fantastic. And in the little goodie bag that they gave me, I've got some yes VM pH-matched vagina. Yay. Do you know what? I think I'm going to give it a go. Absolutely love the podcast. I actually think I should just come and be part of the team because I fully appreciate everything you say.

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And then vaginal estrogen is like so important and so helpful. And you do that on top of everything else that you already do, yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you can just do it. Yeah, I mean, there is so much on Instagram. There are so many amazing people. I think we want to do a roll call on our substack at some point of all the different doctors out there who you can follow Instagram accounts that will help you on your, you know, as you're going through the menopause and all the things that will help make a difference. But yeah, vagina leisrogen is great. It makes a massive difference. Really important. And thank you, Kate. Obviously, we're going to be at Cross Toires Festival in Sheffield. So we get to meet some of our diggers face to face because we're kind of meeting a lot of our diggers out. about. People come up all the time and say, love the podcast, have a lovely chat. It's really lovely to meet. But hopefully we'll do some more events down the line where we can meet even more diggers and get out and about around the country because, you know, it's so wonderful hearing from you. And, but also, it'd be nice to meet you face to face. If you ever see us out and about, do come say hello. Yeah. Loads of you have been getting in touch about changing careers. And we got a

voice note from Mark. Hello, Zoe and Joe. My name's Mark. I live in Robin Hood's Bay here in North Yorkshire. And I was listening to your podcast the other day about changing careers and studying with the RHS and both of you having your passions for gardens and plants, one which I share. And I used to be an academic for 20 years up in Newcastle where I lived my husband. But my heart was never truly in it. I'd always wanted to be a gardener and work with plants. But as a child, I was bullied for it quite a lot. So I went down the academic route. And then in my early 40s, I went part-time and I decided I've really got to scratch this itch and do some studying with plants. So I enrolled with the RHS at the Royal Botanical Gardens in Edinburgh and the experience has been

life-changing, life-affirming, opened a whole new world. So since qualifying with the RHS, my husband and I have moved from Newcastle to this beautiful coastal village, Robin Hood's Bay in North Yorkshire. Now I'm not a full-time gardener yet, so I'm not the next Jamie Butterworth, although I met him in September. What a charming man. I do garden for friends. We've also got a rather large garden, which I've been rediscovering and landscaping. My partner and I now have an Airbnb and Whitby, which we clean together and run together.

And I listen to your podcast whenever I'm doing a changeover. And I've opened a little art gallery in studio in Robin Hood's Bay with three fantastic women. in. And I think, although I'm not a full-time gardener, just having the confidence from doing something new, trying something new has just opened all these new doors and a completely different life to the one that we had in Newcastle. So plants and the RHS and just taking those steps into a new career and a new life in midlife is just incredible. And I'd also like to say, I adore your podcast. I think You're both fantastic. And I like listening to all the different topics that you cover.

And yeah, keep up the good work. And thank you very much. Oh, my God, Mark, I really want to meet you. I really want to meet you and your husband. The happiness in your voice, yeah. I want to hug you. I want to come and see your art gallery. I want to come and see your friend's garden that you're doing up.

And I want to come and stay in the Airbnb. So if Mark hasn't inspired you, yeah. If you're listening right now and you are one of those people who are going, I'm pretty chees off and I'm pretty chees off. and I'm pretty unhappy and I'm not entirely sure do I take the leap. You just listen to the happiness in Mark's voice and that hopefully will give you the confidence to do the thing

to follow your heart and do what makes you happy. Like, I mean, how awful that this was what he wanted to do 30 years ago but there was a certain shame and stigma and he was bullied for the things that he loved doing. I think, you know, the attitudes have changed so much now that we are liberated. We can do what the hell we like, whatever we

want to do and there were nobody would judge us. That's the dream anyway. But I think we're in a much better place now. So Mark I'm so happy to hear the joy in your voice and to know that you are doing what makes you happy right now. And very much that thing of even if you know, it's too much for a risk to give up the job that you do because the job that you do maybe brings in a good living. To find things that bring you joy, if the job isn't bringing you joy anymore, that you can do outside of that. And if that's doing a few courses, you know, and finding other ways or volunteering.

If it's gardening, you know, to see maybe you can volunteer at the Garden Centre or a local garden. or volunteering with the local council or anything you can do that would just, even in your spare time, bring you a bit of knowledge and bring you some joy on top of the job that you do because it's not easy for everyone to take that thing

of, well, I'm going to walk away from the job I do because it's, you know, a lot of people it's paying their mortgage, it's paying their rent, but to know that you could do something like that on the side until you're ready, perhaps, to take that plunge. Mark, what a wonderful message.

And also lovely to know that there are men out there listening to our show as well. And thank you, Mark, for putting up with our conversations about vaginal estrogen. But the great thing, Mark, is you'll know all about it with all the girls that you run the art gallery with. This is what I was just thinking. I was just thinking we obviously are quite female-centered, or we have been just recently, but to hear and know that there are guys who listen to it as well.

And we touched on beauty products just the other day in the other podcast. And it would be really good to reflect men's products as well. So, Mark, what do you use? What are you and your husband use? My boys are really big fans of keels. They're men's products. Their men's grooming products are really great, like the face wash and the moisturisers. But we are going to do a beauty look, but we could do with some men's products as well.

So if any guys are listening and there are things that you really, really find work for you. Let us know and then we can include that in our beauty roundup. Can we get Jude Woody and Disco Steve to be the models so that we can try out the products on them live on the pod? Cass would be the model. Cass is the one when it comes to skincare. We'll use Cass. The other guys, they don't at all. What am I talking about?

It's just Cassie looks after himself. He can be my model. Excellent. I love it. I think Woody will just give me that look of what get away from me. Although Woody does have the most incredible eyebrows I've ever seen on a human ever. We have another message now and this is from Helen and this is a discussion about funerals, about how they don't necessarily have to be dark.

They can be sad, but also they can be uplifting. She said, I just thought I'd share my story with you. It's 5.30 in the morning and I'm wide awake listening to the pod. and the lady whose mum died feeding the birds made me think. My son Miles passed away in May 23. Miles died at the age of 35 after a 15-year battle with cancer. Miles loved life. He loved Ibitha and never wanted anyone to feel upset about what he was going through. When my other children and I planned his funeral, we chose to do an Ibitha-style send-off.

All Miles friends, many of them DJs, turned up in a big coach, wearing colourful dresses and loud, bright shirts. The service was very emotional and we had the after party outside on a beautiful day where his friends took it in turns to do DJ sets and gave Miles a send-off that he would want to be at. The following year, me and 15 of his friends went to Abitha and took his ashes up to Esvedra, where we scattered the ashes. Funerals don't need to be dark, black and somber. I feel so happy that we achieved such a great leaving party. That's a lovely way to put it for the most incredible son, brother and friend i'm sorry

no i'm going oh helen miles he sounds like the most beautiful soul doesn't he the most amazing soul and to suffer you know for 15 years to battle cancer for 15 years that's a long time he was obviously incredibly strong for a long time and surrounded by love for such a long time and music and all things joyous So to reflect that in his leaving party.

What a great way of putting it. That was a really good way of putting it. Helen, thank you so much for sharing. Honestly. He sounds amazing. Oh, goodness me. Helen, I'm so sorry for your loss. Your beautiful, beautiful boy.

Yes. But what a way to celebrate him. And I hope you carry on that. Celebrate him and what he meant to you in your lives. We can see the footage now of it kicking right off at my. Miles is his send-off party. I mean, that could be any incredible scene from a club on the terrace at space. And people are holding up like Miles's name in the air.

Everyone's in shirts and shorts. Everybody's smiling. There is so much joy in that footage which just makes me cry anymore. Oh, that's so lovely. Yeah. Oh, my God. How much a character he must have been. How loved must he have been.

Oh, Miles. You have the best friends. That's a long time to have been struggling to battle cancer. 15 years, I cannot imagine. I think this is a lovely thing as well when you lose people who are young. It's like, well, you lose anyone really. Staying close to the people who love them. You know, losing Billy, it's been so, I've been so lucky to have all his wonderful family and friends stay really close.

And it's great seeing, you know, his nieces and nephews just doing so brilliantly at least. life and his friends who really, really make me laugh. And, you know, those people that you can be with who just share that kind of love and essence of someone that you've lost. It keeps them very much alive. Yeah, it really, really does. And those relationships that you form through great loss, just stay with you and are such a great comfort. My dad always says that his funeral music is going to be Montepython, always look on the bright side of life. And I was, I've always been like, that's good. That'll be. I'll be able to keep it together.

If that's what's playing in the church, that'll be fine. And then disco the other day, Disco Steve said, yeah, I've been thinking, I want Joni Mitchell both sides now at my funeral. And I turned to him and I was like, that is not fair. You cannot play the saddest song in the world at your funeral. Norm's mom had that at her funeral, Rose.

And actually, do you know what? You need a song that makes you cry and allows you to cry and prompts you to cry. And I think it's really good at funerals to have that chance to do that, to have a good old weep. But then, like Miles's gang, have a great dance and a sing-along and some laughter so you get the light and shade. Zoe, why are you so clever and have a box of tissues every time we do this podcast? I need to learn.

I always have them there because everybody, they just, we cry every week. Something happens. Oh, dear. I'm spent. I'm completely emotionally spent now. Thank you. We're a freaking wreck. It's been a nice chat today.

Thank you. Thank you so much to all our diggers who trust us with the most beautiful and touching stories, but also the silliest things. And we love hearing from you. Thank you all for showing so much empathy as well with all these stories and you understanding what people are sharing with us and what we talk about. It's just an amazing community. It's an amazing gang that we've built here. I'm just, I love doing this so much. So, yeah. I know. We do. Thank you. However, I have no more emotion left. I'm completely rung out. So I think I might have to call it a day here. Is that okay? Even the voice is going. It is.

We've had a good laugh and we've had a good cry. Yeah. So, you know, that's what you need in life. Thanks, Diggers. Thank you, Diggers. Take care. Lots of love. Love you, Joe.

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