Dig It with Jo Whiley and Zoe Ball - 88: Marathon Marvels, I’m A Celeb Drama and Staying Sexy

Episode Date: April 29, 2026

Jo and Zoe bask in the warm glow of the London Marathon and all the amazing humans doing incredible things. Charlize Theron inspires a frank chat about staying sexy in your fifties and beyond. And what on earth was going on in the I’m A Celeb final?! All this, plus a special appearance from a certain fluff ball… Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/wo6C30RSuus Become a member of The Potting Shed for early and ad-free episodes: https://digit.supportingcast.fm/Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/digitpod/GET IN TOUCH📧 Email us: [e-mail]📱 Text or Voice Note: 07477 038795💬 Or tap here to send a voice note or message on WhatsApp:⁠ ⁠https://wa.me/447477038795SPECIAL THANKS TO OUR SPONSORSThis episode is brought to you by Starling Bank and Ancient & Brave🌱 Starling Bank — Take control of your money with smart, simple banking. Download the Starling app and start managing your finances with ease. https://www.starlingbank.com/good-with-money/ CREDITSExec Producer: Jonathan O’SullivanProducer: Samantha PsykAssistant Producer: Eve JonesTechnical Producer: Oliver GeraghtyVideo Editors: Cameron Laird and Jack Whiteside 

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BenMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. Hi, happy Wednesday, everybody, and welcome to another Digit. So we're going to see how long this lasts, but I just thought I'd bring you our little goose at the very beginning of this episode. He's just been woken up for a nap, from a nap, so he's quite sleepy at the moment. But this will last about 30 seconds. So what do you think? Anybody who has only just joined the Digget community, goose is not a goose. Goose is a puppy.

And he is new to... Thank you for explaining. the Wiley household and he's very, very gorgeous. And if there was ever a time to get a dig it on YouTube so you can watch, this is the time because he is the cutest little bundle. He's become our podcast therapy dog, the whole production team who worked behind, who worked furiously and wonderfully behind this podcast, getting it on the air and looking after us. We can see all their faces on the screen when he comes into shot. And everybody just feels calmer and happier.

Well, yeah, so this is your pup dates. So he looks, by the way, if you can't see this, he looks like the, literally like the puppy emoji that you get on Instagram. Yes, yes. If you go for the emoji, that's what his face is like at the moment. Brown and white. He's grown already. We've only had him a week, yeah, brown and white.

He's technically red, I think this colour is called. He's an Australian Labradoodle. So he's so soft. That's why he's therapeutic for us because he's unbelievably soft. I can feel that softness through the screen. It's really weird. It's like I can feel how soft he is just by looking at the way you're cuddling him. His ears, I can't get enough of touching his ears.

I'll actually, you know, silky spaniel's ears. And he's just, he's really beautiful. He's obviously very mischievous now and he's very excited. But he's fitted in so incredibly well. We will absolutely besotted by him. He's running around like crazy. All the other animals, it's kind of. have gone okay. Jango still a little bit grumpy, still a little bit like, is he still here?

But when I left the house yesterday, we were walking out the door and we suddenly realized that goose had actually snuck onto a very tiny corner of Jango's bed and was sleeping there, just put his chin on there. And Jango was like doing loads of eye rolling, like, oh my God, now he's on my bed. I've got to share a bed with him. But they're okay together. They're okay. The cats are kind of holding their own. I mean, they're operating on a different level at the moment. and they're going from table to table so that they're not on the floor too much. But Kiki is, she's like the queen of the house now. So she's the only girl out of them all.

And she just looks at him like, you try it. You try chasing me and I will have you. And he's quite respectful at the moment. So far, so good. But I think we've lost him now. He's going to be antsy. And I think Cassie's going to come to the rescue and take him away. He's going to go.

But I just wanted people to see what he was like if they watch on YouTube. Hi, Cass. I'm going to hand over Goose to you, Cass. Thank you. Bye, Goose. Bye, Cass. I don't. I'm bending down because Cass bent down. I don't know why I'm bending down. What's happening?

Cass is my technical support and producer and sound engineer and everything that when we do the podcast, he's always there. He really is, isn't he? And therapist. And yeah, I feel a calming influence when Cass is around. Just from what you told us about him. It's so great. Oh, the other thing about goose that I found out yesterday, I did loads of gardening over the past few days because the weather's been quite nice. Yes. And I've never had a dog get involved in my gardening before. was always like, they're with me by my side at a respectful distance. I've just discovered he's a proper digger. He's a proper digger. He's a proper digger. He's meant to be. He's a digger by name, a digger by nature. I'm now paranoid about what's toxic and what's not toxic. I've never had to

think about that before. No, I never thought about this scary. And I realized that some euphobias are toxic. And I was pulling some up and thinking, oh, gosh, should I not be trailing this, the white stuff around because of Wilbur? I think you just don't want the sap on your, yeah. Also you don't want the sap on your skin because it burns your skin. I think that's the problem with you. Right. Okay. So you're going to have to watch those things because he's a digger.

Yeah. Because there was a story about a dog dying when he went to a tulip festival over the last week. I don't know if you saw that. And I don't know what the outcome. I don't know what the truth of it is. But I'm being very wary around tulips. But then he was eating my lavender yesterday and I looked it up and it said it's only toxic if they ingest an awful lot. So I'm hoping that he only just kind of nibbled the leaves and it's okay.

But yeah, got a gardening dog. Got a digger. Oh, so that's it. Tick, tick, tick. He settled in. He's accepted. By the way, that story of him just putting his little face onto the corner of Django's bed. It's like, love me.

I'm so cute. And I promise you, I'll be gentle with you. That is such a cute little. I think we need some children's books at some point. Although, to be honest with you, the amazing children's authors will be like, oh, not another celebrity children's book. No, that won't be happening. That won't be happening. Oh, I don't know.

It's just something about the cuteness of him. He's so good. Oh, I did two days of gardening this weekend as well. This weather has lent itself to much joy. My body is broken, not like some people's bodies must be today. Did you do the marathon? No, I just did some marathon gardening. But what I did do whilst I was doing the garden at the weekend is I tracked my friends who were doing

the marathon. And it was so, I said to them this morning, you know, I was just checking in to see how they're all recovering after an amazing weekend and how their legs are and they're all starting to feel, you know, normal again. It was such a pleasure to follow them and see how they were doing and that I cried when each one of them crossed the line, you know, when they finished. Oh my God, you posted a funny video of you like, watching the coverage. You've been quite quite a lot. Yes, you were so funny. Well, first of all, Sebastian Solway making history and doing a sub two-hour marathon, you know, when you think and watching the footage of him, he just doesn't even look like it's any effort. I mean, clearly it is effort to run 26.2 miles in under two hours. He has made history something no one ever thought would be possible for a human. And you watch him go. So that had me. in tears, you know, just seeing the strength of humans.

And then all the stories that we've followed. Amazing Jordan Adams, who ran the marathon, carrying the fridge to raise awareness of dementia and FTD, which is a type of dementia that comes very early in life. And his mom had it and him and his brother will then have it, I think. They carry the gene, don't they? They carry the gene. And we have a friend whose husband has it and has it.

And, you know, I've seen how devastating that is for a family and how young that happens. It really is amazing. And Jordan, what a superstar like campaigning, raising awareness and running with a fridge on his back. I do not know how he did it. But those, every single one of those stories that was Dave running for the summer. Maritans in a giant telephone outfit and you're thinking, Dave, you're incredible in that heat. It was so hot. And watching the amazing dads of two of little girls who died in Southport running together,

they both done Marathon. I mean, just every single story like that. And also an amazing rugby player, Matt Hampson, who he was in the scrum and he hit the scrum really badly. and he is paralyzed from the neck down. And he has set up this amazing treatment centre. And so they now look after lots of other people with life-changing injuries. And so he, with an amazing team of his mates

and Sir AP McCoy, the jockey, because Matt's centre has really helped another jockey who's a friend of AP with a team of them. I think one of his mates was Paul. because he's on a ventilator, Matt, but you just see the amount of hope and courage he shows and shows to other people whose lives have been changed. And they did the marathon together. So he has this incredible sport team. They have to change his ventilator. And you're just watching stories

like that. It's actually making me want to cry now. But people are so brave and so incredible. And they do so much to help other people. And yeah, this is what happens when I watch. the marathon. I just said, absolutely is. The London Marathon is the finest example of the human spirit, isn't it? It just shows how brilliant people can be and there is so much, Sophie Rayworth was talking and she said that

the body is so much more capable and it's the mind, you just have to get your mind going, fix on something and devote yourself to it and dedicate yourself to it. And when you have that purpose, you can do it. You might think you can't do it and I mean, I could never do a marathon, I don't think, but maybe if something, life-changing, if I had a purpose to

do it, maybe I could. That passion. So many people who were not athletes, like really, really normal people who have put themselves through the training program. Some of them haven't put themselves through the training program, but they ran 26 miles. It was warm as well, wasn't it? It was really hot. I mean, I was still in the garden following the tracker thinking, I am so hot. Yeah. How are people coping and they did it. Shout out to my lovely friend Patrick, who I used to work on the breakfast show with. And also Mike Spore, he does the, sport on the Today program. They, those two smashed it.

They did it so fast. I'm like, wow, boys. And they were both running for charities that mean a lot to both of them. And my friend Hitton, who does loads for children in cancer. And he ran. And again, he was saying to me afterwards, he was so emotional during it. There were a lot of tears coming. Because I think also that that experience is so incredible in the support of people.

and the people who follow each other. And I love it when you see all the teams. Because you do, you can't help but recognize people who are running for charities that mean something to you. So I was like screaming at the telly, like, whoa, to anyone who's running for pancreatic cancer or for mind or Samaritans or just things that have affected your family and the MND team and stuff. It's amazing.

But I think it must be so emotional for people doing it as well. I think I've got a couple of friends who I've mentioned in previous days, but I want to mention them again. And they both were off the children who had, you know, life limiting illnesses. And I think to have them in mind, to have that purpose, it's kept them going and they've been raising money. So Emily, for Daisy, you're amazing. I love you. You're so impressive.

Claire, for Hugo, who I know you missed so very much, doing it in their name, in their spirit, raising money to help other people who are going through very difficult times. It's, yeah, it gives you purpose in life, doesn't it? and we all need purpose in life. And then you're raising an enormous amount of money to help other people who are going through very difficult things. So, yeah. Yeah. Are you following Digit on Instagram?

It's got all the best bits behind the scenes and loads of extra stuff we don't put anywhere else. Joe, the sunshine has meant that we've both been in the garden loads. I think so much and I've absolutely loved it. It's just such a joy, isn't it? I can't get enough of that garden at the moment. And everything's looking great. I think the, thank you for getting me into mulch.

Maltch is definitely making a difference. I'm slightly concerned about how little rain we have had in the southeast. It's been so dry. It's been so dry. I spent the entire weekend watering the borders just going, how the hell have I missed all these plants that have died in my borders? Because it has been unbelievably dry. We've had no rain for such a long time.

Yeah. And the plants is really taking its toll on the plants. And of course, I don't know about you, but I went and bought loads and loads of plants to put in when I had time. I have not had time. And so I just kind of pick them all up. Oh, they're dead pumpkins. Oh, they're dead culchettes.

Oh, there's some dead beetroots. Just like, why did I do this? Why did I not water them? How can I be so stupid? And also, I feel really guilty because it's a waste. It's a waste of a plant. I feel really guilty that I've killed the plant and not looked after it in a weird way. You see, what I do is when I buy new things, I put them in like around one of those tubs, the plastic tubs with a little bit of water in the bottom.

and I have them right as they come into the garden. So they're in front of me. So I can't help but see them every time. I think, get them in, get them in, get them in. I do need an irrigation system, that's for sure. And I'm definitely looking at plants thinking, what's going to survive? Because I think it's going to be another hot dry summer, isn't it? You sort of look at it now.

And also, I don't know where it feels like quite early. My geraniums are opening. The roses are about to open. The alliums are up. The wisteria results. Yeah. Oh, the wisteria is so gorgeous. I keep going for a walk with me is so boring at the moment because I, especially around this little neighborhood, I lose everyone else I'm walking with because I'm stopping to film everyone's wisteria because, oh, it's just so lush.

I've got a tiny corner. I borrow my neighbor's wisteria in the garden. My garden with Johnny Dalyas are coming on strong. I harden them off. They've gone it into pots. I've put some nasturtium underneath because I was like, what can you plant under Dahlia's? So I'm hoping the nasturtian will tumble down. There's lots that's coming to life.

I've got my cephalaria, gigantica. I've chosen a place, Joe, you said. They're massive. Oh, God. Chosen a good place. So there's a lot to be excited about. And I really am loving the happiness it's bringing me at the moment. I've discovered that they seed quite a lot.

Oh, do they? Great. I walked out and I was like, oh, these new plants. What are these? They're all over the place. I have no idea. I'm sure I didn't put those in. Oh, no, they're the cephalole.

area gigantic, which are going to be freaking enormous and take over the whole border. So beware. I'm going to dig some of those out because I should dig them out and save them and get them to you somehow. I'll share them with my friends around here. Share them around because, yeah, this is the thing when, because I had to take some Verbena out because it just became so fuggish. And this is the thing I'm loving now is the things that we learn from our diggers, the things that we learn from our amazing gardening friends that we've met through Chelsea and our gardening journey and all the people are follow online. There are things that they've taught me now.

There's things Joe Thompson has taught me because she's one of my all-time favorites and lovely Michael Griffiths and all our gang that are now, I'm seeing the fruition of the learnings because it's such a learning journey gardening and things go wrong and things don't work. And having said that the cone flowers didn't do,

the echinace didn't do well at my garden. I keep, things keep popping up and I'm thinking, what is that? And then I use that little plant I'm like, oh my God, they've come back. I actually went to Nigel Slater's garden this week, which was unreal. It's like a townhouse and the town gardens. It's a long strip of land.

But it has so many plants in. I just came back determined to put even more plants in the borders because it feels like you can never have too much. And it's the touch, the delicate touch that he's planted everything. There's loads of shade. And so he's got lots and lots of different types of ferns, beautiful white flowers, just, oh God, stunning, stunning garden. And that's the joy of open gardens or visiting places.

You go and that's where you nick ideas as well. It's just like a little magpie looking and just stealing ideas. So open garden season is happening soon. National Garden scheme, which I'm an ambassador for them. They just encourage people to open their gardens. They raise money for charity. And it's a really brilliant way of seeing what other people are doing in their gardens and then nick in their ideas and putting it in your own garden.

Yeah. It's so until time. So Rachel has been in touch. And this is what she had to say. I recently had my old sash windows replaced, but couldn't bear to throw the original ones away. They're really beautiful, and they've been with the house for over 100 years, so they deserve to stay. So I use them to build a little greenhouse to store my tender plants over the winter. They sit on a rolling platform so they can be easily just wheeled in and wheeled out.

I've also built raised planters and a bench using bits of pallets and wood, which were often left on the street here in Brighton. So she's a Brighton girl, and she's sent her some photographs. some pictures of what she's created from her house. It's so lovely, the remnants. This is so good. That's a good use. What a great idea to make your own greenhouse. And those windows are beautiful.

Yeah. Sash windows. I've got a couple of pallets outside on the front, but my friend was laughing at me because I've got a drop and I've piled the pallets up because I was going to make some bits out of them. But I now roll my brown bin, which is my garden waste, onto the pallets and roll. all it off. My friend's like, that's lovely sister you've got going there. So I'm like, that's because I'm a practical girl. Do you know what? I was gardening all weekend and then I was covered in muds and I loved it and, you know, I haven't really, the kids haven't really been around this weekend and

the lodger was working a lot and so I just, you know, I was like, come on. And I was a bit sad last week because my mom's anniversary and stuff. And I was like, get out in the garden. And it really has been my happy. It's really lifted me up. And then last night, I was looking at myself and I just thought, Oh, God. Did you see those pictures of Charlize Theron last week? Yes, I did, yeah. So hot. Dunning.

I just caught a glimpse of myself. And I just thought, when did I get so unsexy? Not that I was ever sexy, Joe. I don't think I think maybe for a moment. Yes, you were. Yes, you were. Yes, you were. You were lovely.

But I was just looking at myself in my gardening outfit and my crocs and my socks pulled up and my, you know, and my sweaty bra hanging down. And I just looked at myself in the mirror thinking, girl, have a word, sort yourself out, you know, because it makes me really happy and it's great. But I ended up, I couldn't sleep last night. And I ended up when I walked to my computer this morning, I clicked on my computer and the first came up, I had looked up how to be sexy at 55. And some of the advice that I got, I don't know if it was particularly helpful, to be honest. I'm not, I'm not up for role playing and dressing up. been finding outfits right now, but there was some other things that were quite interesting.

But I blame Charlize Theron because I saw those pictures of her and then I saw the pictures of me and then I saw me in the mirror with my gardening outfit and thought, oh love, come on. If you want some, you're going to have to make an effort. Okay, listen, listen, I had this same conversation or similar kind of conversation because I think when you've got an event, because A, Charlie Theron doing that, that's not real. That's pretend. That's being an act of a super. that's being an act of a superstar or a Hollywood icon or whatever it is.

That's a very small percentage of the world, isn't it? Yeah. That is her work and it's a tiny percentage of the world. And I think if anybody's got a big event coming up, whether it's a ball or a wedding or something like that, you are very hyper-focused on looking good for that event. Yeah. And doing the jobs that we do,

sometimes you have photo shoots or you have TV stuff going on and you get hyper-focused and you feel completely paranoid about the way you look. And that's what I was going through a few weeks ago. And I was just really unhappy with my body. I was really unhappy with my face. And I was just really beating myself up all the time and feeling my age. And then over the weekend, I did loads of gardening. And I was wearing dungarees and shorts.

And I was wearing sloppy jumpers and my hair was a mess. And I thought, God, I am so much happier like this. And I was three weeks ago trying to look fancy. This is me. This is who I am. And I think I probably look more attractive in a weird way than I did when I was putting loads of makeup on and rolling my face and doing whatever. So it's, I mean, it's fucked up.

The whole thing is all messed up. No, you're probably right, Joe. But you must remember that, that it is literally, Charlie Soron is, you know, 90% of the time. She's probably in a gym shorts or pants and sitting in front of the telly. But when she's doing that and looking fabulous, she's had loads of people working on her to make her look like that. Yes, true.

And that is why she looks that way. So you are gorgeous. You are absolutely gorgeous. And you must hold on to the fact that we all love you very much and you look gorgeous all time. Thank you. And you are lovely. You are lovely. But it was that thing of just, you know, actually sometimes. But you're right. You can make yourself look all of those things, but you can actually just be who you are. And that's okay. Yeah. I think also it's just something in your 50s that it is a thing, you know, when you're, you know, people flirt with you when you're younger or stuff like that.

And things you don't need that to feel good about yourself. But when you do get older, that does happen less. And so, you know, people tell you less that you look good or hot or something or other. And sometimes you just need to be reminded of that, I think, maybe. Sometimes you just need someone to be like, oh, hello. And to be honest with you, if that's when you're in. I can do that for you. Can you do that for me? I might FaceTime you next one I'm in the garden and I've got mud all over my face. Send me a photo. I'll tell you how gorgeous you are. And I've got my double glasses because I've got my reading glasses so I can see what the plants are and the details and then my sunglasses and then I forget and then they both drop up and down and you know I've got mud in my teeth because I'm like and I might FaceTime me Joe and say all right and can you just tell me I'll look really fit thanks I'll do that yeah thanks hon oh thank you for talking me off the ledge sometimes all you need to do is buy yourself a nice a nice item of clothing or something lovely and it reminds you up I bought I bought some jorts like ages ago what a jorts over the weekend I wore them for the very first time they're They're basically denim shorts that come below your knee.

You know, I'd look like Don Estelle. Okay. I just could not. I could not do that. Look, that'll be only me getting that reference, by the way. Nobody else. Anyway, so you wore the jorts. Yeah, I wore the jorts.

And first of all, Macy, who is Jude's girlfriend, who is my style icon, she was like, oh, God, they're really cool short. Jorts, I'm really jealous of those. And I was like, oh, yes. Great. She's jealous. And then Coco's boyfriend Joe went, God, you look really cool wearing those. Literally made my day. That's all I needed.

Just those two compliments. So you're absolutely right. But just to be told, I look really cool. I was happy. That's what, yeah. I just love that. For me, it would not be wearing jorts. I don't think.

I can't carry those off. No, I did feel like a Boy Scout. That was the thing. I was thinking, I think I looked like an overgrown Boy Scout here. So when they said I look cool, I was like, okay, fine. I'll take it. Yeah, take it. Okay.

So to be a job. jort because this is the thing, this is something that is going to get us this summer. I've noticed this, the length of shorts and the style of shorts has changed. Not that I wear a lot of shorts, because I used to wear very short shorts and yeah, not so much anymore. But I was quite excited that I'd finally found some quite good Levi shorts last year that worked. Now they've got to be longer, have they, have they got to be above the knee or they're going a bit below the knee? You see, I've got footballers calves, so I've got to be very careful with the length of shorts. We're going to be seeing a lot of them.

Yeah, no, you're not going to see any of them. Yeah, I think it's just below the knee. And we were actually talking, you posted a thing about caprize. Oh, yes. Over the weekend. Because apparently they're back in Cocoa's been wearing caprize all last year, and I was really jealous of those. I think they look so nice.

They make your legs look nice and slender. Yes. Yes, slender. VB's done some, hasn't she? Has she done them with Gap or something? Victoria Beckham has done some. It's funny because I put it up saying, you know, this was my outfit of the 90s. Me and my friend Snowy, we met back in the 90s in Ibiza, and we were both wearing those capri pants.

Now, Snow could probably still wear them now. I couldn't. But I'd put it up and Miranda saw her. It was like, no. I was like, yeah, don't worry, Miranda. I'm not going to be wearing them now. It's not a look. I think you have to leave some looks, don't you, where they were. There are some things that I could still carry off, but I definitely don't think I could carry off the... Do you know, I kept them for you? years, but I don't think they look so good on the thighs now. Well, Nelly had killed for those now. I know she would. She would absolutely would. Right. We've digressed. We've digressed a hell of a lot. Rachel, rewind. Go back to Rachel. Thank you very much indeed for showing us your amazing greenhouse that you built out of your windows. And just a token of thank you. We're sending you our father gills, sew and tell seeds, just to say cheers for sending that through to us. Fantastic. Yeah. And if you want to get in touch with this about anything we talk about or you

want to send us some sew and tell of the amazing creations or the little pockets or the little corners of wonder that you've created in your own gardens or things that you're growing with the kids perhaps. Do get in touch with us. You can find out how by checking out the show notes. We're going to take a quick break for some ads. But if you're keen to listen to these episodes early and ad free, you can subscribe to the potting shed. Yearly subscriptions get a free dig it tote bag and father gills sew and tell seeds. Just click the link to subscribe. in the show notes. Right. Time for a break. God, that holds I'm a celebrity thing. God, the way that oh my Lord. So I didn't watch. I didn't watch I'm a celebrity. Me neither. I just watched, I've always

watched it because I love Anteck and it's always one of my favorite things they do. And then I've watched it certain years. There have been people I've really loved in there. The thing I love about I'm a celebrity is the random friendships. And I was watching through the clips. That's kind of how I've watched it this year. I think that's what everyone has done over the weekend, haven't We've all woken up to like phones full of it. Yeah, relationship between Sean Walsh, who I just adore, he's so wonderful. And his relationship with Gemma Collins and Adam Thomas was, the three of them seemed so close and it seemed really funny. And then everything just went really badly tits up, didn't it?

Tits up. Godly word for it. Oh, yeah, it looked messy, the final. It didn't look messy, didn't it? So if anybody hasn't seen this so far, and I'm just piecing together the fragments that I've seen on my phone. So there was, the show was pre-recorded, which I think is why not many people necessarily watch it. Not as many watched it as normally watch I'm a celebrity. But the final was live.

And then in the live final, Anton Deck got involved. And I got really confused about who was defending who, to be honest, and who was in the right and who was in the wrong. It was just ugly. Yeah. But it is there for you to wash. It's there, you know, if you want to seek it out. And Sonita walked off, didn't she? Oh, and Sonita walked off?

Yeah. I think Gemma's gone up and walked up. All the women, actually, all the women were just like, I've had enough, I'm going, I'm leaving you to it. Enough for this nonsense. Yeah. That was quite cool. I like them walking out.

It's on ITV catch up, so if people do want to watch it. I haven't watched the whole thing, and I'm sorely tempted on a train journey, just to see what the hell was going on. What's going on? Would you do I'm a celebrity, Joe? No, I wouldn't. For what reason? Eyeballs, testicles.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, hairy go now. so I don't want to be ingesting any of those really. Can you do it though and not eat animal parts? I mean, I think the eating animal parts is, I don't know if that's acceptable anymore. I just find it disgusting and gross. I'm like, surely there are ways to put people under duress without having to feed them animal parts,

which you know they're just throwing up straight afterwards. I know. It just feels pretty grim that stuff, doesn't it? But the rest of it, I love the French. that form or not so much on this one. I quite like the random people who end up being friends. I haven't ruled it out. Have you not? You'd still be up. Oh, okay. I don't know. I don't know if my kids could bear it. They'd be like, oh, mum, please, no. Cass has always said, if you go on that, then I'm going to lock the doors and you'll never be able to come back in the house. So he really doesn't

want me to do it. Coco desperately wants me to do it. But no, I don't. I don't. I don't. don't think I could. The one thing that Coco's always like, well, who would persuade you? If they were in, who would you go in with? And I've always said, if Greg James was in, I would be tempted. So I'd go in if Greg were in him, because he's so, I love him and he's so fun. And it would be a real laugh. He's a mate. Yeah. But if you're going to go in, I don't think they'd let us both in, Joe. I don't. Because I think they have to be too confused, do you think? My problem with it is, what is your role in there? Because you have to have a role. You've either kind of got to be mom or dad or you've got to be the cook or you've got to be the cleaning the dunny and stuff like

or you've got to be the brave one it's sort of like you can almost cast it from now can't you but yeah what would you do um well i can't i don't know what i'd probably be cleaning the dunny i'd quite like the idea that i could sit and listen and you know be a be a mom and try not to get involved in any scandal i think that was one of the reasons that my kids never wanted me to do it in the past. They were like, oh, God, Mom, no, you'd get drunk and try. I was like, you can't get drunk in there, but they were like, oh, you'd probably, you know, try and do something really.

But whereas now, I'm a bit boring. I'm thinking, would, could, they, they could rely on me to behave myself now. I don't know. Well, anyway, the call's not come yet. No, it hasn't come, though. You'd look good in the gear, though. That's the other thing that puts me off about it. Oh, no, no, that's the other reason.

Those outfits are hideous. And they're so bad. But you'd look great in the shorts. No. And the vest. I'd look hideous in all of that stuff and I would not be doing a my lean class in a white bikini and having a shower in the

thing. I'd literally be showering with like my entire outfit on. So it's not to show in a morph suit. It's a metaphor. Yeah, lovely. Great digging time. Joe, what have you got for us this week

on the of the record player? What music you're listening to? I would like to do an honourable mention for Noah Kahn's album, which is called the Great divide. He's the guy who brought a stick season. And I just really like him. He's really successful in America, not quite as big here, although stick season was huge. But there's a song called Port Wishes out at the moment, which I really like. Something about his delivery and his words as well. I just think it's just a little bit different. There's so much dance music and pop music out there at the

moment. It's quite nice to have a singer-songwriter with a bit of guts, a bit of boonf to him. So, yeah, Noah Khan and his album, I would like to recommend that, the great. divide. And also, Rough Trade have got this 50th anniversary going on at the moment, so they're reissuing lots and lots of albums, which if you go into a Rough Trade shop, it's just eye-watering. And there are so many records that you remember from your past, like 30 years ago, 40 years ago. And it just made me want to buy some records that I used to have, but I haven't got any more. So, if you watch on YouTube, I should just now hold up my Bjerk album debut, which is, look how beautiful, beautiful and pretty and stunning and cool and stylish. She is. And then the album is just

fantastic. It's got so many great songs on there, which I can't read at the most. I haven't got my glasses on. I have this where I go to buy a record sometimes and I can't read down the spine. This is the problem I have looking through my records here sometimes is that it's their old ones. I recognise a lot of them because from memory. But when you're getting new ones, I'm like, I can't read all that says. It says the bump on here says one of the great debut album, of all time. Obviously, you have to open it up and I didn't want to take the cellophane off it. But I can tell it's big time sensuality. It's that one. It's Venus as a boy, violently happy. The anchor songs on their human behavior. It's just, it's amazingly produced and it's a really,

really vital piece to have in your collection. And then it was Cass's birthday last week. So we did we did lots of Cass. We played masterpiece. We played paddle. We played crazy golf and we did table tennis. and we had a really lovely time and I bought him this album which I'm Knicking right now for creative, which is the very best of Darrell Hall and John Oates.

I mean, it doesn't get much better than this. I can't go for that. Sarah Smile, which is my favourite, Manny to... I love that song. I love those guys. I love those guys.

I love those guys. Yeah, you make my dreams private eyes. I can't go for that. Rich girl. I mean, every household should have this in their life. I once had a lovely walk around Covent Garden interviewing Daryl.

How did you find him? I did him too. He's still my beating heart. I loved him. Yeah. Yeah. He was fascinating. Just such a dude. And of course I was completely crushing out on him as well. I was just trying to be really cool. And I don't know what it was for, but we walked around Covent Garden together. And then people would just wander past being like, I'm like, yeah, yeah, it is him. Got to see him play a Latitude Festival in a tent once. And just they don't, they don't play. together anymore at all, do they? They kind of... There's no love loss between the two of them. No, they're a bit like, we did that. We don't do that anymore. And we now do different things. He's really big, isn't he? And like massive hair. Lion-like. He's really sexy. Maine.

Yeah. He's really into restoration and architect. I thought you're going to say wrestling. I was wrestling with Daryl Hall in the mud and I won. That's going to be the trail line. How do we get this? What's he into? Restoration. Restoration and architecture and design.

So he was very interesting talking about all of that as well as the music, but mainly mud wrestling. Anyway, when I mud, we both love Darrell Hall. With Darrell Hall. Excellent. You've been playing so much great new music at the moment. I am on the, when I'm listening to a show, Joe, I'm tapping constantly on the old app that tells you what tracks are. Is it roster? Numberstone's group.

Rostam? Oh, Rostam. Oh, God. I love that. I'm so loving the new Strokes single. Yeah, excited for that album. Which is a real kind of like summertime vibe actually. That's on the opening of a little mixtape I've made myself.

There's so much good stuff around at the moment. It's making me very excited. Also, I got absolutely lost in this banger. I did touch upon this a couple of weeks ago, but that was before I had the album. And this is Tommora, which is the album. with Tom Rowlands and Aurora and they've been playing some dates around the country, they've been doing some record

shop business and this is so, it's absolutely brilliant. In fact, when I was listening to it, it slightly has, obviously it's going to have elements of the Chemical Brothers because it's Tom but also it's quite burke in places and then it suddenly goes really drum and bass, then it's like

absolute bangers and then it's really ethereal. and I've loved this and I've had that on the other day and a certain member of the household was like what is this? I'm like, this is Tamara and you need them in your life. So this is quite eclectic. I love it. So well done to Tom and Aurora

and hopefully get to see them play somewhere this summer. And you know sometimes like in life, like really cool things happen. You know I'm a massive beater band fan and Steve Mason of the beater band has brought out this fantastic

book, failure is always an option. And he'd been playing, he was DJing at record store day in resident records, which is my local record shot here in Brighton. And I love the guys in there. They really do introduce me to lots of amazing music when I go in there. And he DJed. And he was just sort of saying something about, you know, he's DJing. And I was like, I DJ best one. There's no people. And anyway, we got talking and he just said, can I send you a copy of my book? And I was like, well, I'll buy your books. I like to buy my records and buy my books. I like to support artists. Yeah, because I think it's really tough for so many musicians these days, you know, and to make a living because I think they kind of have to tour to make any money

these days. I've got some mates who managed bands as well, so it could be quite tough. But anyway, Steve sent me his book and I absolutely, I just did the whole thing yesterday. It is wonderful. So great to see, to hear the stories behind him. You know, there was such an amazing band and And, you know, they would not compromise and thank God they didn't. But the stories in here are fantastic. There's amazing stories about the mischief that they got up to. He tells stories so great, Steve Mason. And there's some very funny stories.

Brian Wilson, a story about Brian Wilson, a story about going to see, which is just like, what? Oh. This happened. An incredible story about Michael Jackson, brilliant tales, lots of tales about the band. And then Steve talks quite candidly about his own struggles with depression and how that affected him and the band. And the most beautiful chapter about having his daughter, which just had me holding my heart. And yeah, you will laugh a lot.

You will also hold your heart and you will cry. And it is such a great story. And it's in no particular order you just dip in. and these great stories. So Steve Bravo, that is a brilliant, brilliant book. They're playing some, a beta band are playing some dates, by the way. I got to see them at the roundhouse at the end of last year, and they were so, so good. And they're playing some dates. I think they're playing with Super Ray Animals. They're playing, I think, transmit lots of festivals.

So if you get a chance to go see them, they are phenomenal live, because they all play so many different instruments. And the percussion is incredible, and they swap and change it. And they do such a great show and they are on the best form. So yeah, do check them out. What are you up to this week? This week when my mum's had her operation. So I'm doing lots of childcare, parent care, whatever it is. The last thing she said to me when I went to say goodbye to her before she had the op was don't talk about me on the podcast.

So mum, I've been really good and I haven't spoken about you on the podcast. There you go. You'll be proud of me. So yeah, just checking in, looking after my dad, looking after her, making sure that she's comfortable. and get her, well, one operation down, a couple more to go. Just get her back to being the most amazing bionic woman that she's going to be in a year's time. That's the plan. So this is stage one.

We will send our love and healing wishes to your mum and tell her she's been a very brave girl. And then we won't talk about her at all. No, we won't talk about at all. No. I started to blub, of course, as I was saying goodbye. And she was like, I'm fine, I'm okay. Go on, go on. You know, literally shove me out the door.

I was like, okay, fine. Oh, bless. So, yeah, she's phenomenal. She's a real phenomenon, is my mum. Anybody who knows Chris Wiley will know she is. Go on, Chris Wiley. And she's the, why you're so strong. Can I just tell you a little thing?

Because it was my mum's anniversary last week, right? And you know, like, how we do those things with daft signs and stuff? Well, I've got this thing in my pocket. So my mum used to tell this story to my kids because they loved it when they were quite young about how I loved the song Little Donkey at Christmas. But I would sing Little Donkey. on the Dussy Woe, and then the kids would sing Little Donkey on the Dussy Woe. So my mum would always buy me little donkeys and things like that.

We'd always go in my Christmas book. And I came back to my car last week on my mum's anniversary and I'd been having a right old blub. And I got back to my car in the car park and look what was on the floor by my car. A little donkey on the Dussy Woe. So some poor kid has lost this little donkey little toy. But it was by my car. And I just was like, oh, there you go.

Just any little moments like that. I'm like, so I've been keeping this in my pocket. Oh, that's so precious. Isn't that cute? It's just those little moments. I know it's daft. But I was just like, I shall keep that little donkey. I know.

That's not daft. That's magic. That's a bit of magic, isn't it? I love it. Right. Plant your seeds. Don't forget to plant your seeds. Yeah, you too.

We'll both see that. And I'll see you Monday. Love you. Bye. Love to your mom. Digit is a Persephonicah production.