Dig It with Jo Whiley and Zoe Ball - 89: DIG IN: Liz Earle’s Guide to Feeling Stronger, Fitter and Happier

Episode Date: May 4, 2026

Jo and Zoe are joined by Liz Earle to talk about what it really means to age well. From strength training and sleep to skincare and circadian rhythms, Liz shares the simple habits that have helped her feel fitter, stronger and happier in her 60s than ever before. GET IN TOUCH📧 Email us: [e-mail]📱 Text or Voice Note: 07477 038795💬 Or tap here to send a voice note or message on WhatsApp:⁠ ⁠https://wa.me/447477038795SPECIAL THANKS TO OUR SPONSORSThis episode is brought to you by Starling, M&S and Ancient + Brave. 📱 Starling: the bank that helps you organise your money, build great habits and stay in control of your spending. Find out more at starlingbank.com/good-with-money🛍️ Marks & Spencer — M&S have relaunched their Sparks loyalty programme, and it’s better than ever. Earn money into your digital Sparks wallet every time you shop at M&S - across food, fashion, and more.🌿 Ancient + Brave — Support your daily routine with Ancient + Brave Wild Collagen. Just one scoop in your morning drink, completely neutral in taste, and designed to support joints, energy, and recovery. Get 20% off your first three subscription orders, a free ritual scoop and £5 off your first order at www.ancientandbrave.earth/planet using code DIGIT5 CREDITSExec Producer: Jonathan O’SullivanProducer: Samantha PsykAssistant Producer: Eve JonesTechnical Producer: Oliver GeraghtyVideo Editors: Danny Pape and Jack Whiteside Liz Earle Headshot: Leni Syndica-Drummond 

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We are thrilled that you could do this. How are you doing? Oh, my gosh, you are so welcome. Thank you for having me. I am a digger and lovely speaking you guys. Now, I'm doing really well, actually, really well. And I think, you know, I love to spread the message that you can do better than ever when you're older. Because I think as women, we often hear the opposite. So, yeah, I'm pleased to say all is good. Well, this is a wonderful thing about your book, How to Age, supercharge your health and feel better than ever. That's where you had me. Feel better than ever.

Because when we sort of come through perimenopause and menopause and sort of later in life, you know, things stop working, your body changes so much. I know lots of people have anxiety. There's lots of things. But what you have, you've always had that philosophy of not anti-aging, thinking about aging in a positive way. And that's something you're doing with this book is giving us lots of ways that we can make ourselves feel fantastic and great. we age. Well, do you know, I think it's really important for midlife women and older because we get cut a bit of a raw deal as we age and our hormones decline or I mean frankly drop off a cliff sometimes

and with that sandwich generation, aren't we? We brought up kids, we've got elderly parents, you know, we've contributed to families and work and all the rest of it and we get squeezed out of it. And then when you look around at what society tells us to expect, it's like, blammy, Seriously, you Google images of old ladies and you get, you know, mobility scooters and, you know, grey perms. And you don't get, you know, women lifting weights in the gym and having a rocking great time. And I think that needs to change that narrative because for me in my 60s, I am so much fitter, stronger, happier than I was in my 40s, my 50s. And, you know, I hope I can be sitting here in 10 years time and say, hey, my 70s, poth, 60s, forget about it. you know, I'm so much happier in my 70s. Why can't that upward trajectory continue for women?

We don't have to inevitably decline. I feel really strongly about that. This is very interesting because I'm 60 and I feel very different to how I was when I was 50. And I really have, over the last year, struggled with inflammation in my joints. I've struggled with fatigue, with feeling tired all the time. I look at myself in the mirror. I don't particularly like what I see some of the times. So I'm interested to know you're what age now. I'm now very nearly 63. So what's changed?

What have you done to be feeling this great at 63? What do we get in this book? Yeah, we all want to be like Liz. What do you do? Because I want to be like you. Well, no. Well, what do I do? Okay, so the book I wrote before was called A Better Second Half.

And that was kind of like a midlife manifesto for women. And that's based on really simple pillars, which are still really important. So exercise, lifting weights, diet, eating more protein, cutting the, carbs, prioritising sleep, connecting with your community, staying connected to loved ones, having purpose in life. You know, those are kind of key pillars to living well and aging well. But then when I kind of wanted to move on, I became much more aware of some really simple fundamentals that we're overlooking.

Things that our ancestors knew, things like our relationship with light, sunlight, particularly circadian rhythm, and how that impacts ourselves as we age. because in our cells we have these little batteries called mitochondria and they are literally like the batteries that power us they give us brain energy and they give us muscle strength and all of these good things and they decline as we get older and we become indoor beings haven't we?

Very much. We indoors most of the time we go outside, we shield ourselves from the sun we don't look at daylight, we wear sunglasses and actually it's that relationship with light that talks to our mitochondria so a lot of the book is actually about circadian rhythm to be honest.

Which is something I know nothing about. I'll be honest with you. I've never particularly heard it. I started to read the book and it was a revelation. I was like, oh my gosh, having to look up all the terms, which you very clearly set out. You do explain things very, very well in here. Oh, well, thank you.

I mean, it's easy. It's complex but easy that the biology of it, when you look at things like quantum biology, which is kind of the next level of what's happening in healthcare, it is quite complex, but I'm not a medic and I'm not a scientist. So I have to break things down really simply. And I think if I can get it to a stage where I understand it, I then can hopefully communicate it. So things like hydration, you know, water is really important.

We really need so much more water, particularly as women as we age. We tend to be less hydrated. And also our sense of thirst declines as we get older, so we don't realize that actually we're becoming dehydrated. Interesting, Joe, you talk about inflammation. So mitochondria are really key parts of being involved in the whole. inflammatory process. So I talk about other things, maybe like some different supplements. I don't know whether you've tried things like curcamine and turmeric. That's highly anti-inflammatories. There we go. The list, Joe. Get them on the list. Yeah. Yeah. I'm mainlining turmeric at the

moment. I am. I really am. Because I never know when it's going to flare up. I never, and there never seems to be any rhyme or reason as to when I get flare-ups. And that seems to be the same for other people who get inflammation. So I was really interested about how to live a more anti-inflammatory lifestyle. Yeah, I mean, people talk about inflammation now, don't they? Yeah, it's kind of the drivers of aging. Yeah, is this low-grade chronic inflammation. So you're unfortunately suffering from the flares, which is the acute sign of inflammation.

But most of us walking around today are living with this low-grade chronic inflammation caused by, you know, eating too much rubbish and alcohol and poor sleep and our mitochondria giving up, you know, all of those things that create this. inflammation within the body that is there all the time. And it might not necessarily be visible. We might not necessarily manifest itself in pain, but it's there. So things like an anti-inflammatory diet, eating lower inflammatory foods, lots of olive oil.

Yeah, this is something brilliant that I'd learned from Julia Bradbury. She was like, you know, a spoonful of olive oil. And I bought myself a really good olive oil, have a spoonful of that. And then there are things that I always, I think, and you talk about these in your book, having some sort of vitamins and supplements that are non-negotiables and I've been really good. I've been trying to stick to it. I'm terrible at drinking water and I really have to have a word with myself. Sometimes I look in the mirror and think, oh my lord. And I realize it's like you're just massively dehydrated. And the lodger's always saying to me, drink some water. It's like so I have peppermint tea or whatever it is. You know, the last thing I want to do is to put pressure on women because we have enough of that already. It's not about you've got to look younger. You know, you've got to do this. You've got to start. your day and hour earlier to fit it all into your routine. Yeah.

It's simple stuff. Open a window. Get some daylight in your eyes. I mean, that's free and easy and quick. And it works. We're wondering, actually, we've got lots of diggers have asked questions, especially for you. Joe from Bath has this question. She says, Liz, what should we change in our skincare routines as we move into perimenopause?

Well, I'm kind of counterculture, really, when it comes to skincare, because I think that less is more. I mean, I actually buy very little. I think you don't want to disrupt the skin. The skin's got enough hormonal changes going on, frankly. So you don't really want to be adding more stuff in or aggressing it. So always use a creamy cleanser. I mean, I'm not connected to the beauty company anymore

because my partners and I sold it in 2010. But I still love my cleanse and polish. You know, that's like my baby. And it's a creamy cleanser. So whether you're using a balm or a cream, I think that's really good. I don't actually use anything that foams on my face because I find it can strip the skin. So it's all about nourishing and putting stuff back.

I think peptides are really interesting, you know, particularly copper peptides. They're signalling molecules and you can find them in all sorts of different formulations. They needn't be expensive. And I love a good facial oil. You know, I do a bit of facial massage first thing in the morning because partly that gets your lymphatics going. But also, you know, some of that will get absorbed into the upper levels of the skin. It'll help to plump it up. Something maybe with vitamin E and rose hip oil.

I think these are really great oils for perimenopausal skin. Great. And do you use a guashire or something? I do it with my hands, mainly because I've had a couple of lovely quartz guashas and I've broken them. You know, I've dropped them in the sink and they shatter. Oh, yeah, they do make a mess. So I haven't mean, I've been a bit bit cack-handed with my gwasha. So I just use my fingers.

Little tip, if you're going to do facial massage, always start here at your clavicles. I always used to start up here. But here, so our lymph nodes are here. And you need to activate these first because the whole lymph system, which, is kind of the body's clearance system. It all drains up here, interestingly. It all goes round and round and this is this is the point where it drains. So just tap here first. Really gentle. Really gentle. It's like fingertip and then you can go all around here and up here and just, you know, drain to these points. And if you wake up puffy, that's, it's such an easy,

quick, quick thing to do. Takes no time. Erica asks, do you feel more confident now than you did in your 30s and 40s or do you just feel differently confidence? How do you feel? I definitely feel more confident, I think, I kind of lost my way in my 40s, to be honest. 30s, I don't really remember. I was too busy working and having kids and kind of getting on with life. 40s, I guess perimenopause, I didn't recognise it at the time, but had I known back then and taken hormones earlier, that would have really helped me. But I was really struggling and I lost my way. I look at pictures of myself. I have actually very few pictures of myself back then because I was quite overweight and you know my marriage was breaking down we were selling the beauty company it was a

very stressful time i had sick kids you know it was it was difficult and i don't really remember having any time for me and certainly thinking about confidence it really wasn't there because i didn't feel that i was thriving outwardly i probably looked as if i was quite successful and had it all but inwardly i really didn't feel that at all and i think as we age confidence is something that comes. It's kind of an unexpected blessing in a way because we know ourselves, don't we? We know what we like. We know who our close friends are that we can rely on. We know hopefully what our purposes in life, what our goals are. We know simple things like what suits us, you know, how we want to dress, how we want to be. And I think that does give you great confidence.

So I would say to anybody who's listening, who's struggling, perhaps in their 30s or 40s, you know, don't lose hope because things do get better. You know, they can definitely get better. And it's about reframing what you think is important and how giving your body the best chance to thrive. Because if we can thrive physically, I think that affects how we feel on an emotional and mental level as well.

Fantastic. If you ever find yourself in a bit of a thug or if you get down or if you get anxious or anything like that, what do you do, Liz? How do you get yourself out of that? Well, daylight is massive. And I know Julia talks about this a lot too, getting outside, getting outdoors. It's so underrated.

You know, it's actually formed part of social prescribing. You know, doctors need to do this more because it's been shown to be so important in helping with low-grade depression, for example, and anxiety. And there are so many reasons why it's partly the impact of daylight that we're seeing this light. Our eyes have light receptors in the retina that talk to the brain that sets up our hormone balance and our happy chemical. carotin and all of those things are really improved by the daylight that comes into our eyes. But also just being out in nature, you know, there's a lot of evidence showing that even looking at green things, whether there are leaves on the trees, you've got these amazing patterns in leaves and grass called fractals that the body instinctively recognises as being friendly and calming.

The whole area of sort of natural wellness is fascinating once you dig into that. and I think getting outside is just such a tonic on so many levels even if even you're not in the countryside even just and it's rain and you're moving as well you know you're actually moving your body which is good for your lymph and good for your motivation I love having meetings actually we do just with my team I just do walk and talks because it's sitting around a desk under artificial light is just it's not great is it so if they want a meeting it's like let's let's go around the park and chat about it Dig-it team, we're doing that.

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Visit a Carquest AutoPest. store or CarQuest.com for more information in full flyer details. Only at participating locations. I'd like to know about your energy levels, Liz. When it comes to doing exercise and keeping fit and when, I mean, because you do still have stress when you get to your age to my age. There's a lot to do with because you have your children that you're supporting. There's always stress. Yeah, there are parents. There is a lot going on. How do you deal with that? Do you go to the gym? I converted my garage at home into a little mini gym and over the years I've kind of been adding more things to it as I get further into it.

I lift weights now, which I never did before. You know, I was in the era of kind of Jane Fonda and the Green Goddess, and we jumped around in shiny leotards doing step-classes for an hour and then collapsed in a heat with a cappuccino and a muffin as a reward. And, you know, it never went anywhere. I never got, you know, fitter, stronger, slimmer. It just was kind of a bit of a waste of time looking back. I wish somebody had said, you've got to lift some weights.

You've got to do some resistance training. And I started off not really enjoying it, but you do get hooked into it. And I guess it's producing happy chemicals in the brain, isn't it? Endorphins. And so I do that just a couple of times a week. And my weights get progressively heavier, which is really satisfying when you lift heavier and heavier weights get stronger. So, yeah, I'm not, but I'm not.

I've never been a sporty girl. I was never picked for the school teams. I never enjoyed team sport. I don't even play tennis. I mean, it's, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm naturally sedentary. Yeah, that sounds like me. Yeah.

We've got another question. This is from Elisa who says, I run a small graphic design business. It's been going for five years. It's profitable and it supports me, which I'm really proud of. But I feel a bit stuck at that level. And I see people like you who built something much bigger. And I wonder what's the difference between running a good business and scaling into something truly successful. What helped you to make that jump?

I think it's very hard to do it on your own. You know, it is. I was very fortunate. And I had very good partners. You know, I had my first business partner, Kim, she and I built the business together. And then we built a really good team around us because you just can't do it on your own. You know, you can't be the expert in financial planning and legal regulations and, you know, reading spreadsheets. I mean, I'm still hopeless with numbers.

I find it really hard to read a balance sheet. But, you know, I can do other bits in the business. And I think, you know, running a graphic design business, you know, maybe that's the thing that you do really well, the graphic side. So you need to bring in other people. And it's really hard because there's that tipping point, isn't there? When you look at your income from a small business, and if that's sustaining you, and it sounds like it is, then that's really good. Because, of course, bringing in more people and growing the business means more expense. So the more you grow, the more people you have to pay and the more your overheads go up.

So it's that real balance of actually what do you really want? Do you really want to be running a big business with all those overheads and challenges? or actually are you really happy thinking, I'm doing what I love on a small scale, it's paying me enough and I don't want the hassle of growth. I don't necessarily think that entrepreneurs should always chase growth. I know that sounds odd for somebody who's built businesses, but I do genuinely think that we can sometimes get sucked into chasing growth

when it doesn't personally work for us in the end. That's a brilliant advice. That really is. Steph says we're going back slightly to skincare. I feel like I hear a lot of conflicting advice about retinol. Liz, do you recommend it? And if so, what age should we start using it? I'm a bit scared of retinal. Like Steph, I'm not sure what to do.

I think personally, I wouldn't recommend it for younger skin. I think it really terrifies me this whole kind of Instagram, social media phase for, I think they call it glass skin, where skin is really stripped with acids and high-impact retinels and things that thin the skin. We don't want thin skin. We want thick skin, actually, because thick skin is spongy and plump and full of collagen and elastin. It's much more robust.

It's going to age much better. So I have a real concern about these younger girls who are part of this trend as to how well their skin will age. When it comes to older skin, there's no question that retinels really work. They really do. And I think if you can put them into your skincare routine, maybe a very gentle entry level a few times a week,

I think, yeah, they do. They do soften wrinkles. They do soften fine lines. But I think don't jump in with real high strength. I think retinoles are something that you need to acclimatize to and get your skin used to it because they do cause redness and flaking in the early stages when your skin gets used to it, more or less, depending on the strength. So if you're going to try it, start gently. We have another question. This is from Beth. And she said I was so happy to hear you talk about puffy eyes on holiday. This is when, Liz, I went to Austria, I went skiing and when I go into the mountains, something weird happens. I look in the mirror and I just have these huge bags, puffy bits under my eyes. And it happens every single time I go on a ski holiday and I was talking about it and just saying, I don't know why it happens. Now I'm home. They've gone away. So Beth is reacting to that.

She said, I'd love to know why this started happening since I reached my late 40s. There's a picture attached to show me normally versus me on any holiday UK abroad. I don't drink and it still happens. I call it my holiday eye. I'd love to know what's going on. I'm exactly the same. I'd love to know too. Interesting.

Okay, so I think what you're seeing here with holiday eyes is really a combination of fluid shifting, lymphatic drainage, which I touched on earlier, and circadian rhythm. Because even if we're on holiday, it doesn't matter where it is, whether we're in the UK or abroad. It's not so much the flight and all of that. That can obviously dehydrate and cause puffiness, but that might not be the case here. But I think it's really changing in our rhythm. So, you know, on holiday. So if you look at holiday life, what are you doing? You're probably eating out more.

You might be having more salty foods. Your nighttime routine may be changing. You may be getting up later or earlier. So these things are impacting your normal circadian clock and the way the body normally works. So I think there are some simple changes that you can make. Getting up early is one of them. The body loves consistency.

You know, seeing that early morning. daylight, try and see it within 60 minutes of sunrise if you can, which is harder in the summer because it just gets earlier and earlier. So if you're on holiday, rather than having a lie-in, actually try and get up and outside at the same time as you would normally when you're at home. I think that's one thing that could really help. You might be having changes in what you're drinking. Even if you're not drinking alcohol, you might be sitting around drinking cappuccino's

more. You may be needing a bit more proper hydration with electrolytes. So try and keep your routine as similar to when you're at home. And I think that you might find that that really helps how your skin responds. How are you with alcohol, Liz, these days? Yeah, because this is something we talk quite a lot. Neither of us can really drink very much anymore. Well, that's hormones, isn't it?

And as midlife women, we just can't, unfortunately, biologically. There are a few hacks. I talk about that in the book. If you do want to go out for a drink, and I do occasionally, I don't drink. you know, all the time. If I do drink, I will drink, attend to drink clear spirits. So tequila, for example,

love a nice tequila and tonic or vodka. Just stay away from all the dark, sticky stuff. You know, the rums and the ports and the sherrys and all of that. You know, they can really make you feel bad. And what about your mixers? If you're drinking vodka, as I do, what do I drink? Because I love, like, lemonade's really sweet stuff.

And that's obviously not what I should be drinking with my vodka. Yeah, I've tried to get around, you know, they call it the skinny bitch, don't they, vodka and soda? Yeah. But it's just not the same, no. It's not. So I mix it.

So I will normally order like a little shot of vodka or tequila with a bottle of tonic, which is quite sugary, and a bottle of soda water. And then I just mix the tonic and the soda together. Okay. So I'm getting a bit of hydration from the water, a bit of taste from the tonic, but not too much and not too sugary.

And then a little hit from the clear alcohol. that's that's my go-to. I love, yeah, no, I love that we're having this discussion. You are helping people so much women throughout the lands with this conversation. We've probably got to let you go, Liz. But if, you know, I know a lot, I have a lot of friends who struggle with sleep for various different reasons. It could be hormones.

It could be stress, things they're worrying about with their families, friends, jobs, all sorts. Any top tips for people struggling with sleep? I feel really passionately about sleep because it is a superpower. I used to think that it was just flopping into bed and switching off. but you really couldn't be further from the truth there. Sleep is actually when all the regeneration happens. I prioritise my sleep now almost more than anything else. And I have an absolute cutoff time where I have to be in bed by like 10.30.

I'm not using screens for at least an hour and a half before that because that is getting your brain really worked up. Plus you're looking at all the blue light. Again, it comes down to light. If you really want to sleep well, you need to just stop sitting under elderly. LED lighting. LED lighting has a very short wave of blue light that stimulates our cortisol. So it keeps us awake. It's very good for keeping you alert during the day. It's not what you need in the evening. So you want low-level desk lamps that are nice and warm, hopefully with an incandescent light bulb,

one of the old-fashioned light bulbs. Don't use your LED lighting. And then in the morning, actually, this is really important, getting that early morning daylight in the eyes without sunglasses, black contact lenses, you know, open a window, we'll get outside, even just for like 10 minutes. What that's doing is it sets up this circadian rhythm. So that's your 24 hour clock. And because it's 24 hours, not only is it signaling, wow, let's stay awake, guys. Let's produce a little bit of cortisol because we need that to get on with the day and give us the little energy spike that we need. But it also sets up a timer to produce melatonin in the evening.

So if you miss that early morning window of daylight, you're missing that signal. later on that gets your body to produce melatonin a really efficient way. So melatonin is the sleep hormone. So if we combine winding down with watching our screen time, making sure that we're under the right type of lighting, coming off our emails and things that will distract us and keep that little monkey brain chattering, and then maybe taking your magnesium, dysglycinate at night as well,

and just having a proper wind-down routine. Body loves routine, getting to bed as early as you can and so that you can then get up earlier in the morning. Just think about setting that rhythm, but prioritise it, seriously. Push sleep and your sleep routine nearer the top of your to-do list every day. And you will see changes really quite quickly, promise.

Okay, well, I've made so many notes during the whole course of this. When you're talking about cortisol and adrenaline and when people do get on that frantic kind of treadmill and everything is jarring, as I can see everyone around me, what is the antidote to that? do if someone's been in a highly stressful situation and they can just feel everything racing? How do you deal with that situation? Well, I think there are simple practical things that you can do in the moment, you know, breath work. So box breathing is really simple where you just take a moment

and you do four by four by four. So you breathe in for four and then you hold it for four and then you breathe out for four and then you hold it for four and you repeat it four times. So that is in the moment. Okay. So just remember that four by four by four by four. But I think also practical things, we're under so much bombardment of this negative energy. And I delete all your news apps. Don't watch the news. You know, what's the point? I can't influence what's going on in the world.

So I can't take it on. I've got enough of my own shit to be dealing with, frankly. And, you know, you need to prioritize stuff. Can I impact this? You know, can I make a positive change? If I can't, then don't, I'm not letting it impact me. And also I used to be a massive warrior And I've now kind of learned to say to myself

Okay, there's this stuff going on that is causing me concern You know, my personal life thinking about it Is it going to matter to me in two years' time? If it's not going to matter me in two years' time Why is it matter to me now? You know, why am I letting it invade my life? Obviously the big stuff we do need to deal with Because that is going to be important going forward

You know, family stuff or whatever but if it's just little things you know a cutting remark that somebody's said or something that you've read that's upset you or whatever is that really going to be affecting you in two years time if the answer is no then bat it away don't let it come into your life and spoil your day now wise words wise thank you so much talking to us liz

wonderful so lovely to see you guys thank you for having me yeah and it's been a real education for all of us yeah we're huge fans books are brilliant so Liz Earl How to Age, Supercharge Your Health and Feel Better Than Ever is out now. And Liz, thank you so much for your amazing advice. You are superwoman. Yes. And right back at you.

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