Dig It with Jo Whiley and Zoe Ball - 96: Ideal Retirement Communes and Virginity Songs

Episode Date: May 27, 2026

Jo and Zoe dream up their ideal retirement commune, complete with rave caves and cider buses. Harry Styles overshares the song he lost his virginity to, so naturally Jo and Zoe do too. Plus: Greg James and Alice Levine pop by for crate digging and Jo accidentally turns herself green before recording.Watch on YouTube - https://youtu.be/rEKFDrp9gn0BAD CHATWe absolutely love Greg James and Alice Levine, and their brand new podcast Bad Chat is gloriously funny. Give it a listen:https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/bad-chat-with-greg-james-and-alice-levine/id1895851403GET IN TOUCH📧 Email us: [e-mail]📱 Text or Voice Note: 07477 038795💬 Or tap here to send a voice note or message on WhatsApp:⁠ ⁠https://wa.me/447477038795SPECIAL THANKS TO OUR SPONSORSThis episode is brought to you by QVC and Visit Scotland🌍 VisitScotland — Make the most of festival season in Scotland, from the vibrant energy of Glasgow’s TRNSMT Festival to the community spirit of the Orkney Folk Festival and the soulful sounds of Edinburgh’s Jazz & Blues Festival. Start planning your spring escape at www.tripadvisor.co.uk/scotland🛍️QVC — Summer gatherings always seem to end up in the garden, so why not make the space feel extra special? Explore My Garden Escape at www.qvcuk.com and use code QDIGIT for £10 off your first order. Minimum spend applies and full terms are on the QVC website.CREDITSExec Producer: Jonathan O’SullivanProducer: Samantha Psyk & Harriet ThurleyAssistant Producer: Eve JonesTechnical Producer: Oliver GeraghtyVideo Editors: Cameron Laird & Danny Pape

Coming up on Digit. I couldn't even make my face go into focus. And the only thing I could make go into focus was my top lip, which as a woman of my age, you should never look at your top lip with makeup on because exactly that. I quite like a cider bus if we were going to have a retirement home, maybe a cider bus. What, you would retire on a cider bus? It might be a little bit like Glastonbury. So we could have a rave cave.

Yes. Harry Stiles was giving an award to Radiohead. And he confessed that he had lost his virginity to Radiohead's talk show home. Good song, really lovely song, very romantic. Do you remember the song that you lost your virginity to? Mind Joe, gone. Was all of that? Right after this.

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I have to, if I can just apologize, make a statement, if people are watching this on YouTube, and you think there's something a little bit weird about me, it's not been a little bit. an easy morning coming to talk to you this morning. That's because I was getting ready and I couldn't find my makeup sponge. So I went to Coco's makeup bag and I just grabbed the first makeup sponge I could find. It was very early in the morning. So I started to put my makeup on and I put all my foundation on. And then I looked to myself in the mirror and I was like, oh, I look a little a little bit different than how I normally look. And I was this lovely shade of luminous green because I grabbed the makeup sponge that last time it was used had been done at a fancy dress party and

used to make someone look like Shrek. No. I'd put green makeup all on my face. Oh my God. I'm not sick. I don't feel ill. It's just that I can't get the freaking stuff off my face. I will tell you though, Joe, I think you've never looked better.

Maybe this is somewhere where we've all been going wrong if we need a green base before we put our own makeup on. Thank God you even noticed it. That's hilarious. I just looked at. I was like, I really look a bit weird. In fact, I look green. Why do I look green? I tried a new makeup this week because I'm still in my never-ending quest to find the perfect foundation for a woman of, you know, whose paws just swallow everything and everything goes chalky.

So I'm trying another one this week. I'll let you know how that works out for me. What have you gone for? What is it? This week I've gone for Charlotte Tilbury. Beautiful skin. Right. Which I saw a phantom.

Salma Hayak putting it on her face. I mean, I don't know why again. because Samaha'iak is so beautiful. She's an amazing Hollywood actress. She is so stunning. And I thought, wow, she looks great. I'm going to try that. So anyway, I'll let you know how that works out.

Okay, but can I just say we shared a cab the other day. And because we were going to Chelsea Flower Show, which we can talk about now? And I said at one point, I was like, oh, God, have you got a mirror? Can I just check my makeup? And you got this mirror out for me. And I mean, the magnifying effect must have been like 10,

million. I looked, I couldn't even make my face go into focus. And the only thing I could make go into focus was my top lip, which as a woman of my age, you should never look at your top lip with makeup on because exactly that. Furry, chawky, powdery. It's because I'm so blind, though, do you. Should I throw away the magnifying mirror? The thing is, I need the magnifying mirror to apply the makeup because I can't see where it's going. And I have to put my contact lenses in, but I still have to wear glasses if I'm reading, oh, the trials, the troubles and the tribulations. If you're loving Digit so far, hit follow or subscribe.

That way, you'll get brand new episodes as soon as they're out. Can I say, though, it was so lovely to hang out in person because obviously we do the pod, but you live over there and I live over here and our lives, apart from within the pod, are quite separate. And it was so great to go to Chelsea together. And, you know, it's a week ago now. But we got to go on the Sunday, which was joyous because. you just can get around and have a real close look at everything and meet some amazing people.

And I must say, thank you so much to Arit Anderson, who we love and adore her. Parkinson's UK garden was just, was so beautiful. I had loads of people coming up to me in the next two days that I spent at Chelsea telling me that Arit's Garden was their favourite for so many reasons. And I know anyone who has any connection with Parkinson's, you know, your dad and I have two lovely friends with Parkinson's, one who's very young. And lots of our diggers have been so moved by the amazing garden she created. So well done to Eric. We love you very much. Yeah, congratulations.

It was gorgeous girl. It was so beautiful, so well thought out. It was so practical as well. And it meant so much to people to the whole Parkinson's UK team that were there. And it was just pretty. It was really pretty and it was really well crafted. And yeah, like you, I heard so many people saying it was their favourite garden. And I'm so proud of her because she worked so unbelievably hard.

And it was her first proper show garden on Main Avenue. So, yeah, she did incredibly well. And she was hosting as well. So she had to do that. And then she was on with Monty. And by the end of the week, her voice was going because she'd done so much talking. So, Ari, I hope you get some time out now. You are wonderful.

When we talk about people putting themselves out of their comfort zone, which we do quite often, we say that things scare us. You just imagine being somebody like Harriet or many of the other people who created those gardens. What a huge stretch it is. And it's something that you work on for months and months and months. You're working with a team. So you have to really dig deep and pull on your resources to manage a team, to have a vision, to actually present your garden to somebody else, to take the medal choices to then, you know, just be judged by everybody who's walking around. And your peers as well. I always think that must be really tough.

Such a brave thing to do, really, really brave thing to do. And we don't often think about that. When you see people who are public facing and you just kind of look and we make these kind of, you know, we just glance at things and go, yeah, that's quite nice. But then when you actually think about the effort that it's taken that one person to make that thing happen, it's to be applauded and to be recognised, I think. And it's not just with Arup, but with so many people who do different jobs, not necessarily just with Chelsea Flower Show.

But it was great looking at her garden. We also got to see Francis Top Hills Garden, which was the curious garden. And again, putting yourself out of your comfort zone, she was working with David Beckham, with Alan Titchmarsh, and with the King himself, Hrr, to make this garden. And it was so beautiful. It had so many curious areas that we got to discover. And you can see the whole thing.

It's all on YouTube. We just love doing this going to Flower Show, giving you all an insight of what it's like there. But I wanted to mention Ollie, who is from Ollie Adventurous joinery, and he built the cabin, all the woodwork there. And it was so excited. It was really beautiful, really rustic and just very, very effective. And he's such a lovely guy.

And we've both got to meet him, I think, and his wife as well. I know, Sally. And I met him a couple of years ago. He'd made a really beautiful table for another garden project at Chelsea. And he's really young. He works with a really dynamic team. And my dream one day, Joe, is to have a garden where I can call up Holly and say, Would you and your team build me something for my garden? That is my dream.

Loads of people to shout out. Well done to Christina. We did some recording on her garden and she won a gold, which was wonderful to see. Yeah, really young girl, wasn't she? Really young and vibrant and passionate about gardening. She had this amazing greenhouse which we were both quite jealous of. But also we talked about the planting that she had in her garden. She'd built this beautiful model of what it was to look like, and then that model was in the greenhouse that she made. She was so fabulous. I also wanted to give a massive shout out to the team behind the plant heritage collector garden, the missing collector garden. Sally, Will and Kate, and I spent quite a bit of time with them on Monday as they were nervously waiting for his. the King and the Queen who were going to visit their garden and they were having this fantastic discussion about who should speak. Sally, who's another ADHD girl, woohoo. We had a hilarious

chat and she was saying the thing is I'll just say too much and because obviously you've got to be quite quick because the King and Queen have got a lot of gardens to get around and, you know, there's the etiquette and we were talking about do you curtsy, do you bow or do you accidentally go to do one of them and then headbutt, I mean it's like the things that can go wrong. And I was so excited when I got home later on that night and I'd only met them that day and they are such a brilliant collective. They'd come together as a group of designers to do this fabulous garden and I saw them on the telly and I whooped and cheered for them and it looked like it had gone very well when they met the king. Also Charlie Chase who designed the Young Minds

Garden. I wanted to mention them as well. Yeah. And it's creating a space for young people to be and the planting was incredible, and the most phenomenal bee, well, sort of insect hotel, this wall that he had created. And he was wonderful. I had a little look around his garden when he wasn't there.

And you just meet so many people. It's impossible to mention all of them. Can I mention the guys, the young kids on the Young Minds garden because I've got to meet them. And they were so fun and they were really young. And it's all for kids

who've had mental health issues. And they were just, it was just so great to see really young normal kids going, yeah, no, we love gardening. It was really great. It was really good fun. So, yeah, I wanted to do a big shout out for them. Yeah, so many inspiring people. And I got back, Joe, and I was really chuffed to walk in the garden. And actually, sometimes I'd come back from Chelsea and I walk in my own garden and think, oh, God, it's pathetic. But I actually walked into my own garden and thought, these are some of the ideas that have come from visiting flower shows.

And they're actually starting to pay off. And I came home and a lot of my roses had opened. So I was very happy. But if you do want to watch our Chelsea Flower Show special, which we're really proud of, the whole team put it together and it looks beautiful. It's a real insight into Chelsea and all the people who are working there. And we take some special places that you might not ordinarily see. You can see it on YouTube. So just search for Digit on YouTube and you will find it there and you can enjoy that. And thank you to Hayley and all the team at the RHS for letting us come and record Digit. On the Sunday, that was really wonderful. And we've had lots of lovely comments. And lots of people have been asking us about what we were wearing.

We do have all the details of our frocks and trainers and jackets all on our substack letter. So substack is kind of like an online magazine, isn't it, Joe? And lots of people like we have a Digit account, lots of our favourite gardeners have accounts. So it's a lot of our favourite authors and writers. So if you go online and find Substack and then you go into Substack and you sign up, do you, for the Digit Substack. letter. Yeah, just search for Diggett and then you'll get the newsletter and it'll tell you all the details of all the stuff that we we love and wear and consume on a daily basis. But it's really good and there are some amazing people on Substack who are now to just write really lengthy

articles because magazines and newspapers are kind of folding left right and centre. And it's a really wonderful way for people to express themselves. So whether it's Philippa Perry or whether writing about psychology or whether it's Joe Thompson talking about gardening, India Knight, talking about interiors and exteriors. It's like all our favourite people expressing themselves and we can learn from them. So substack's a great place and we are there. So you can choose to follow us as well. It's a really good place to find new writers as well. I know a lot of, you know, people who haven't been published can write on Substack. It's a really good way to sort of start training yourself up with writing and for people to see your writing getting out there. So it's a brilliant thing. We love

Substack. I don't know whether you saw this story earlier on this week and it was about a group of friends, female friends who've decided they want to live together and live out the rest of their lives together, their rest of their days together. They're really good mates. And they thought we would like a female only commune where we can live. It's communal living. I just wonder whether that is something that appeals to you. I saw another group of people, a collective, who are just friends and they decided to get together and to establish their lives. It's kind of like creating your own personal village, I suppose. You're choosing the people you want to be in your village. and you live together and you interact together

and you just, as I said, live out the rest of your lives rather than just kind of moving into a town and just living existing where you might happen to live. Is that something that would appeal to you? Very much. So my friends have talked about doing this and not necessarily just the girls, the boys as well. I think that lovely idea that your friends are so your family and you are there for each other.

And as you get older and people get sick and you lose loved ones and people lose their partners as well, that idea that you are in some kind of community with each other. My friend Snowy and I always used to back in the day when we were crazy ravers, we were like, yeah, and when we're old, we'll live in a house and we'll be pushed around by hot nurses and we'll still be raving, you know, even in those days. Life has changed quite dramatically from that. But I love that idea of, you know, financially is a good idea as well, of sort of buying a home that everyone can live in, instead of loads of different properties and also a way of being in a community, being with

those that you love and adore, supporting each other through all the things that life will bring you. And financially, that being a much more sensible idea. I quite like the idea of community living as you get older. I know, is it Shirley McLean who lives in a sort of like community living? You know, I know in America there are these amazing places where you literally move into a resort. Yeah. I mean, it sort of sounds like something in Florida where you live in a resort and it's, you've got all the facilities you might need. So you've got doctors and nurses and physios and support teams. But I guess this is on a much smaller scale.

But I think it's a great idea. Yeah, Ian McKellen and Helen are both patrons of a showbiz retirement home. I mean, you just think of that. You think, oh, my God, the entertainment is going to be off the scale. And if you've got Ian McKellen dropping by every story. I know. But the fact is that you don't earn that much money. And, you know, when you get to the end of your showbiz career and so to be with like-minded people to be looked after is actually a very important thing. But would there be any rules if we were to live together? I always think I'm really sad that Amy doesn't live near me. So I'd quite like to live near my friend Amy. And there's some people at work that I've lived with, I've worked and lived with pretty much for years and years and years. So Anna could come and live with us as well. Snowy could come and live with us. What kind of rules? would we have in our community and our retirement home?

No rules, maybe. Everybody needs different things, don't they? I love my own space and time now. And I like to spend time on my own, but sometimes I spend too much time on my own. So I love the idea that you can close your own door. You know, you can go and get a tea and a coffee, but if you don't particularly, maybe you have a sign that you can put on your door.

Up for company today, not so much today. So you can still have the privacy of your own space, your own room, but you then know there are lots of people to hang out with, to do jigsles with, to play old tunes with, to watch movies with. Well, I'm just trying to think of the different things. You might have a communal garden together. Yeah. See, if it was women only, then I think that they would absolutely get the need for privacy and for space. I think we respect that so well. We know that we need just to be alone sometimes. I call like a cider bus if we were going to have a retirement home maybe a cider bus You would retire on a cider bus

or you would have a cider bus as well Yeah because I'm thinking it might be a little bit like Glastonbury so we could have a rave cave Yes We can have a cider bus But you've also got then You can do like early morning

Gentle Pilates Yeah we could You know In a TEP Yes Yeah Yeah And the idea of having a garden

That we could all tend Would be good Tend our lady gardens there Tending our lady gardens with the ladies in the garden. I quite like the idea. I don't think I'd want to be just with women because I love the men in my life

and the boys in my life as well. So I think I definitely want it to be unisex. I just think for me, in my group of friends, with my kids, I don't think I'd need it to be all women. But I can understand why people would want to do all women. And I do think, you know, I remember my mom, you know, there was a lot of women

and a lot of them had lost their husbands. and, you know, they really support, the widows really supported each other. It was great. So I'd like unisex, please. Yeah, I think a little bit like Glastonbury, but with hot running water, I'm definitely going to need baths and showers.

I'm probably going to, as I get older, I'll probably going to need one that I can be slid into as well. Hoists. We may need hoists. My mum always used to talk about hoists because she did a bit of care and she'd been trained in hoists. Oh my God, they're essential.

They really are. When I've been looking after my mum when she'd had her operation, and I'd get home and I'd get into bed at the end of the day and my shoulders would be really aching my back and my arms because I'd been lifting her and supporting her. Well, my stepdad had motor neurone disease

and mum told me about these amazing sheets that had been invented that was sort of a slippy sheet system that you could turn someone who's really losing the power in their body. So you can turn. So I was like, oh, yes, we'll definitely need some of those sheets. Eventually. I think it's a great idea, though, communal living with your friends.

And when that point comes when you need to live somewhere where there is some extra care and support, to be with your friends would be so wonderful. It might be less daunting than going into. Because I do think that, you know, when people do have to go into full-time care, it's so heartbreaking, isn't it, for many people. Leaving your home, leaving your surroundings, leaving all your things. So knowing that you maybe start that process a little bit younger where you're already living with your friends and your surroundings and maybe you've mixed it easier, yeah. Condensed your belongings at that point.

Yeah. Got to really love the people you're moving in with, haven't you? Because, you know, sometimes it'd be like, well, you won't believe what Beryl's done now. Yeah. The less tolerant we get and the grown people we get as we get older as well. Can you imagine living with other people? They've got to be your best friends in the world. Wiley's got tunes on all night.

I'm trying to sleep. Last week was the Ivan Novellos, which is the Songwriters Awards. Rosalia won, an amazing award. There was a, I think, Calvin Harris won. But there was an amazing moment where Harry Stiles was giving an award to Radiohead, to Tom York. And he confessed, a bit of an overshare with the audience,

but I loved it, that he had lost his virginity to Radiohead's talk show host. Good song. Really lovely song, very romantic. What a great song from the sound. track to Romeo and Juliet, of course, which is an amazing soundtrack. But it got me thinking, do you remember the song that you lost your virginity to Diggers? You remember the first time? Do you remember the first time?

Mine, Joe, was this guy's in love with you, her Albert and the Tijuana Braz band, which is quite unlikely. I mean, obviously, it was quite a long time ago. And I remember having a little giggle with my friend. who I shared that moment with about the fact that that was the music that was playing and I think it had been his mom and dad's sort of It's a really lovely song. Noel Gallagher loves that song.

I remember that having, yeah, bonding with him over that. Yeah, love of that song. So whenever I hear it, I always smile to myself, oh, that's, do you remember the song for your first time, Joe? I've got no idea, no, it would be something probably, I don't know, be Bauhaus, Bella Lagosie's dead or Sisters of Mercy, this corrosion, very apt.

your big goff era. Yeah, definitely. No, it was not that memorable, really. Well, sometimes it isn't memorable the first time. For me, it was more like it was with a friend and he was so gracious and lovely. I was like, oh, that's what I'm all talking about. Is it okay, I wouldn't say the earth moved, but it was something ticked off and it was like, okay, so I'll move forward from here. But if you remember, Diggers, the piece of music was playing when you lost your virginity, maybe it's something amusing.

maybe it's something you never want to hear again because it was a traumatic experience. Maybe the earth genuinely did move for you the first time. And the record that was playing was part of that theatre and drama. So do let us know, get in touch. I feel we may have some good digger stories here. Yes, what was your soundtrane when you popped your cherry. Do you pop your cherry or you pip your cherry? I wanted to ask, can I ask another thing about diggers?

When we were talking early on about Chelsea and about royalty going to Chelsea and what it's like when the royal visit happens. Who's met the king? Who's met the queen? Who did meet the queen? What are your stories? What are your encounters of meeting royalty? Because inevitably, it doesn't go right. You have all these plans in your head of what you're going to say, how it's going to be. And then you do headbut the royal person in question. Because it's quite funny. When they greet you, they're moving. So when they meet you, they're still moving and you're trying to speak to them, but they're gone. That's the process. They're kind of shaking hands and then onto the next one, onto the next one. So your royal encounters, let's hear from you about

those as well because I'm sure that'll be quite funny. There'll be people who've done something really wrong and really bad when it was supposed to be really perfect. So what was your royal encounter like? That would be a good one. I got to go for tea with Camilla, her royal highness, the queen. And it was so wonderful. I had such a lovely chat with her. It was an amazing moment. I always thought if my Nana had been alive, she'd have been very proud of that moment. So yes, royal encounters and what happened for you? Did it go well? And what? Because I always always think that when you see people being knighted or, you know, given the CBE or whatever, you don't always get to hear the conversations that are happening. And I think, I wonder what they're

saying. And I wonder if you said the thing that you were supposed to say or did you end up saying something that was, you know, made somebody that made one of the Royals laugh as well. Leave a voice note. Voice note would be great if you could tell the story. Oh, we love your voice notes. Yeah, yeah. It'd be really nice to hear your voice telling that story. Just head to the show notes and all the details are there. You can also remain anonymous and you can also give a fake name. If you've got a particularly good story, but you don't want anyone to know who you really are. Speaking of funny voice as well, you can speak of disguise your voice. We shall pixelate you.

Hi, diggers, welcome back. It's time for crate digging. And we've got some really special guests, none other than this lot. Hi, Joe. Hi, Zoe. My two favourites. Thank you for having us on your podcast. This is Greg James.

And that is Alice Levine. Who am I, the cat's mother? No, no, no, no, no. You're the podcast's mother. and we are here to pay our respects to you both because we love you dearly and I wanted to do some crate digging okay you know about crate digging I know about crate digging do you know about crate digging Joe and Zoe love vinyl

they love music and what I thought I'd do today was bring a record that is very very special to me and I think you'll both hopefully enjoy this but Joe will definitely because you've known me since I was 21 years old. Wow. And I started at Radio 1. When I was 21, I just finished university,

and I'd just done a few shows on a radio station called Galaxy in Newcastle in the Northeast. And one of my all-time favorite bands still to this day is Maximo Park. Such a good choice. Okay. And I was doing this show on the Northeast number one for dance and R&B. Galaxy, galaxy. He's still got it. Galaxy.

And during the day, after I did the show, I was up there during my summer holidays or Christmas holidays at university, I would stay in bed and breakfast in Newcastle on my own. But I was having the time of my life. But I would go off into Newcastle and go shopping for music. And this is a Maximo Park single. I want you to stay. One of my favorite songs of theirs. And unbelievably, the day I was in HMV in Newcastle, I was buying these vinyl. Maximo Park things, taking them to the till, I looked across and Paul Smith, the lead singer of

Maximum Park, was in there buying a Tom Waits album. Stop. And I went, um, Paul, I really love your band and I'm doing radio at Calyxon. I've done student radio and I lost love Maximum Park so much. I've just bought this. And I was like, this one's my favourite. And he signed it, it's a fave, Paul Smith. And then he's put tar.

And we're now pals. Oh, stop. And then a few years later, when I got to Radio One, they were doing big weekend. somewhere, I can't remember where. And he came on my show and I said, you might not remember this, Paul. And he went, HMV, you guys. I remember you talked about radio. So, loveliest man in the world. One of my favorite bands. So I want you to stay, original demo version on their label on Warp Records. And this is it signed by him. And I have it in my house. And I love it. There you go. That's my crate digging. And I guess we should say listen to Bad Chat, if you want. That's our podcast

that me and Alice do. And it's really fun. I talk more on that. Well, you weren't there in the story, so I thought it'd be weird to go. What did you think of that story? It was all right. It was all right. Anyway, Joe and Zoe, we love you. Bye. God, there is a very fine line between Greg James and Chris Martin at times.

When he starts talking, there's certain things, certain nuances. When Greg is talking, I'm like, oh, very Chris, who I know they love each other as well. Makes me laugh. But Maximum Park, what a band. We love both of those people. Alice and Greg. Oh, I'm now singing, I'm going missing. for a while I've got

nothing left to give We did On Vine Revival We did the album As Vine Revival, the debut album And there was so many bangers on that record Every track! So good

I know And they did that Enamee tour When they were out with We Are Scientists with Arctic Monkeys And Maxima Park were opening up And it was also Mystery Jets It was a really strong lineup But they used to

No I think they were supposed to be headlining And they used to alternate it Anyway, anyway Lots of Love for Maximum Park Great, great band Mystery Jets as well, one of my all-time favourites. I love those guys. Oh, so good.

So do check out bad chat with Greg and Alice. It's very, very funny. In fact, if you want to see a little bit more of Alice chatting, here's a little clip of the sort of shenanigans Greg and Alice get up to. Do you know that horse's legs are their fingers? What do you mean by that? What do you mean? Do you mean the back legs are its legs and the front legs are its arms?

Evolutionarily. Right. It doesn't feel right, does it? they are fingers and the hoof is a fingernail. Okay. Google it. Tell me what we see. Did you read an article or did you watch a video? Basically, I was with my friend who's a doctor and he very casually said...

A vet? Not a vet. Right. He very casually said their legs are fingers. Modern horses essentially walk on a single, highly specialised digit. The hoof, which is structurally analogous to a human middle finger. Thank you. So it's this one. The leg bones are given to the middle finger of human. The structure allows for extreme speed and efficiency.

So they're running on their fingers. They're running on these fingers. Middle fingers. Middle fingers. There's something in that. I don't know what to do with it myself. That is crazy. Isn't that crazy?

People who own horses or if you are a vet, do get in touch. Is this a real thing? Are horses, legs, their fingers. Not even their hooves, their legs. That's mad. And their hooves are their fingers. and nails. New episodes of Bad Chat are out every Thursday. So if you want to listen to Greg and Alice

and all the nonsense they talk about, you can also watch it on YouTube as well. So thanks a lot to Greg for giving us his crate digging. What do you have for us today, Zoe? What have you got? My crate digging this week is Kevin Morby. Absolutely love Kevin Morby. I think he's had about eight, 11 albums out. He's from Kansas. He's an amazing musician. His new album, which is called Little Wide Open. has been on a loop in my brain. I love it. It's been produced by Aaron Destner.

Some really amazing. Lucinda Williams is on a track. It's so beautiful. He's touring. He's coming down to play in Brighton. I've got tickets going to see him in July. And I just really love his songwriting and is playing and his voice. And he's in a power couple.

He goes out with one of the lusses from Waxahatchee. I always love a musical power couple. And there's a couple of tracks. There's Badlands, Javelin, Junebug are some of the tracks on the album that I'm particularly loving. It's dreamy sort of singer-songwriter, folk, folk, American kind of folk. Oh, gorgeous. That's my choice this week. So Kevin Morby, what's the album called?

What did you say it's called? Little Wide Open. There is a track on the album called that as well. I listened to Alders Harding after your recommendation because I hadn't really listened to her at all. beautiful, really lovely. Oh my God, very different, very kind of otherworldly. So thank you for that introduction. Yay. My great digging is Bleachers. Their album is finally out. I really love Jack Antonoff. I don't know why I love him. He's a super producer. He's worked with so many different people. Taylor Swift is one of those notable people. But I think he's just got such a broad range

of musical influences. There's so many people he likes when it comes to either deep soul or funk and then, you know, a bit of country music or focus. music and it's all been brought together. In 70s as well, he's quite into 70s. And it's all come together. And yeah, the album is called a better right at my hand. Everyone for 10 minutes. Everyone for 10 minutes. I've been waiting for ages for this record to come out. And it's really great. So it's bleachers and everyone for 10 minutes. If you're going to check out one album, I will suggest that. Zoe would suggest Kevin Morby. There's also an album that the Star Council have just reissued and it's Cafe Blur, their debut album. And it's just

one of those like fan things. It's lots of additional bonus songs on there. But if you listen to that and you enjoy things like Paris Match, which is just exquisite, long hot summer, you do something to me, all that music. I love Style Council. It's a great thing to have in your collection. And they were talking on your radio shows. Yeah, they were. Check that.

You can find that on BBC Sounds as well, one of my favourite bands full time, because I found Paul Weller through Style Council and then went back and discovered the jam. Yeah. I sort of did it all the wrong way around. I don't think so. I think it's our age. I think it's our age because Style Council is. what, you know, the jam was

slightly earlier. That was our era. Yeah, but like watching top of the pops and seeing Paul and Mick dancing on top of the pops and they had, because they love fashion. That is what Paul was saying and Mick was saying in the interview I did for Radio 2, that they were obsessed with fashion. So they would kind of root their tour around all the places they wanted to go and buy clothes around Europe and they thought Europe was so sophisticated.

So they'd have their pullovers, knotted around their shoulders, knotted around their chests, which is actually very fashionable now. But it was like, it was the kind of thing that the enemy initially were like, what are you wearing? What are you doing? And then it became Uber cool. And of course, Paul Wello is one of those people who can carry that off. So yeah, I'm like you. I just love the style council, I think. And Paul in the interview was saying it's one of his favorite moments of his career, one of the great eras of his life. So it's a nice listen. You can listen on BBC

sounds to that. Shout to the Top is a real song for my friend Eva. And special week for her this week. So Eva, I love you. And shout to the top. That, that gives you. That gets played whenever we're all together. It's an absolute cracker. I'm off to the countryside, actually. I've got a little adventure with some of my best mates in the countryside, which I'm really excited about. And also, before I go, can I just say a happy birthday to my dad and also my lovely stepmom die because they're both Geminise. It's a big week for them. How old is your dad? My dad is 88. Two fat ladies. When we were at Chelsea, we ran into Jim Moyer, Vic Reefs, And he was telling him a joke and I could see Vic looking at him like what.

But Vic was saying that his mom was 99 or 100. So it's like, yay, come on, Dad. You've got years in you yet. Yeah. Happy birthday. And my lovely stepmom, I'm going to be seeing them on Sunday. So I can't wait to see them all. So nice. All right.

It's half term going on at the moment, of course. So to all the other half term parents that are listening in the moment, hi to you. We're going to get through this. And yeah, I've got a weekend of not doing anything, which is just fantastic. I'm going to absolutely relish every single second. Yeah. Just chill at home with the kids.

It'll be nice. Great. Yeah, very lucky. I'll see you next week. Bye. Lots of love diggers. Bye. Digit is a Persephoneka production.