Dig It with Jo Whiley and Zoe Ball - DIG IN: Have You Ever Been Starstruck During a Celebrity Interview?

Episode Date: August 4, 2025

Jo and Zoe tackle listener questions on capsule wardrobes for camping, who still makes them starstruck, and why packing for holidays feels impossible.    Got something to ask Jo and Zoe? Or a tip to share? Contact us!  ⸻ GET IN TOUCH 📧 Email us: [e-mail] 📱 Text us: 07477 038795 💬 Or tap here to send a voice note or message on WhatsApp: https://wa.me/447477038795 ⸻ GET EARLY AND AD-FREE EPISODES Become a member of The Potting Shed for early and ad-free episodes and bonus content 👉 https://digit.supportingcast.fm/ ⸻ SPECIAL THANKS TO OUR SPONSORS 🛏️ Thanks also to Eight Sleep — save up to £350 on the Pod 5 Ultra with code DIGIT 👉 www.eightsleep.com/digit 🧴 And to Ancient and Brave — get 20% off your first one-off purchase with the code DIGIT 👉 www.ancientandbrave.earth/planet ⸻ CREDITS Exec Producer: Jonathan O’Sullivan Technical Producer: Will Gibson and Oliver Geraghty Video Editors: Danny Pape and Connor Berry Dig It is a Persephonica production

Coming up on Digit, it is so frustrating. We've got a cushion under here and a cushion over there and turning on one side and then legs in the air. And then you get up and have a walk around and then I need the loose. It's like a Tracy M in an art installation watching me get into bed and sleep at night. I sat in the interview room. His knee was touching mine. I kept asking him about whether he spoke French. I don't know why.

I was like, do you speak French? Do you dream in French? And I remember afterwards running into Simon Pegg and Simon Pegg saying, oh my God, you totally humiliated yourself. All of that right after this. Hi, happy Monday morning. How you doing? You survive the weekend. Happy Monday morning. Yeah, just about survived the weekend. What are we calling this? Our Monday edition, Joe, of Digit, have we decided yet?

I don't know. I mean, the deep dive could be something, although we're more about digging than diving. But I think we probably still need some help, don't we, from people who watch? We do. Suggestions, please, from our diggers. Are they called them? Yeah, no, diggers is good. We're calling them diggers, I reckon. Diggers, yeah. On the subject of which, can I just show you a little present? Yes, please do.

We've been sent from James, the jeweller, in honour of our podcast. Look, he sent us both little digger necklaces. I don't know if you can see this. Oh, you're wearing it. Sorry. Look. Oh, my God. H hangs on a necklace.

It's so cute. He sent one for you as well. Oh, amazing. Got a little diamond in it. There we go. Wow. What's his name? So his name is James. James Robinson.

He's an amazing jeweller. So thank you James. Can I hear a cat, meowing? You can hear a cat. This is Simba. Simba is my Bengal cat. And every single morning, in fact, every hour of the day, she just makes that noise relentlessly until you give in a new feeder.

So I'd love to say she just wants affection. She's going to come and sit on my lap and be really cozy. But she just does not do that. She's just literally like, feed me. Yeah, Wilbur, since his newfound fame on our first episode, has now become quite camera shy. I think he wants higher rate. actually for appearances, but he may pop in at any time. So Monday's episode, we answer questions

from our diggers who've got in touch. And we should say thank you so much for the lovely comments that people have been sending. It's really encouraging. And the results are in from our Spotify poll, Joe. Oh, okay. So this is, have you ever taken anything from a skip with, is that even legal 4%? I know we did get told off by a couple of people when we started talking about skips. Yeah, apparently it's illegal. You have to get permission from the owner of the skip. Yeah, apparently. Fair enough.

Although, I mean, it seems daft because they're throwing it out. They obviously don't want it anymore. But I will from now on check. Thought about it, 27% no, never dared. That was 23%. And then, yes, a whopping 46% of you have taken stuff from a skip. We also asked about swimwear shopping. Pretty unanimous this one, Joe.

Yeah, go on. When it comes to swimwear shopping, do you a love it? New one yearly. Only 11%. Dread it. Yes, 89%. I'm with you girls. Wow.

That's insane. It's crazy, isn't it? I know. I'm having this because there is a holiday looming at the moment. And I just, I would love to wear a bikini. And now I'm thinking, do I wear a bikini? I don't want to wear like high-waisted bikini pants. If you're du a leaper, they look amazing.

But I'm not sure that I can carry them off. So then do you do this? I mean, costume? It is a nightmare. Because we're all different shapes and sizes, aren't we? I've been trying the high-wasted. But if I go, high-waisted, it covers a bit of my belly, which I like, but then they cut right into the

fastest bit of my thighs, which I don't like. And then the tops, like I like the fact you can buy separates now, so you can kind of mix and match, which is good. But we have had some feelings on this. Anna says, I yearn for a long body. My ribs are about two inches above my hips. See, Anna, I have exactly the opposite problem to you. I have a long body and long for a short body, because nothing is ever long enough. Oh, we're never happy, are we? We're never happy. We're never, never, never, never are happy.

No, the midriff is definitely my shoe. Always has been, always has been. Yeah, maybe it will be the one piece this time. We've got messages. So should we hear from some of our lovely people who watch? We've got Kerry first up. Yes. So this is Kerry's message.

Hi, ladies. My question to you is, do you have someone that inspires you on a general day-to-day level? The reason why I'm asking this is because I am turning 60 on Monday. And Joe, I know you have just recently turned 60. You've been in my ears for years, really, with a couch to 5K. And I've returned to it. And my final week, and I've got two months to go. And I find it amazing because I look to you and think, wow. And also, Zoe, you're a big wow to me because I know of you. You're from Brighton like me. And I know that you're incredibly generous with your. time and energy for our local community. So is there anyone that you can think of that comes to mind that might have that for you? Thank you. Firstly, what a lovely message. And happy birthday, Kerry, 60. 60 and sexy. Carrie, I don't feel any different from how I felt two weeks ago. So far, so good. It's going to be all right. And I'm really pleased that, you know, congratulations doing the couch to 5K is such a great app because you don't have to be some kind of sporting legend,

but you can just get active and it makes you feel an awful lot better. So Kerry, well done, congratulations. And do you know what? My mum inspires because my mum, she turned 80 last week. So we were celebrating her birthday. And she still goes to the gym. You know, on a Monday morning or Tuesday morning, I'll get a call and she'll be toddling away into the gym. And her body is not in a good way. She has arthritis and she's in so much pain all the time.

And she struggles on. And she knows that if she goes to the gym, it'll make her feel a little bit better. I also I think it gives her a break from my dad if I'm completely and utterly honest, which I'm sure that's probably why she goes. But she's doing everything she can to still be active, to be fit, to keep on going. And she's always worked really, really hard. And I think she's just, you know, she's my role model. She's the person who has inspired me all the way through in that whole looking out for other people. You mentioned about Zoe being generous and kind and she absolutely is that.

And my mum used to be a postmistress in the little village where they live. And she was always that person who would go the extra. extra mile who would take the sugar round to old Mrs Clifton who lived around the corner because she couldn't get to the shop, you know, out of hours when the shop was closed. So I learned a lot from my mum and dad about just going the extra mile and my mum is my role model, I reckon. Oh, that is so good. Do you know what, it's my mum's birthday this week. And I've been feeling all those feelings of, oh, the grief's creeping in. It's really tough. But do you know what, my mum was exactly the same. She was so, she was always there to help other people. And I think

us kids, her kids, we've all been inspired to just, she always had a smile on her face, she always had time for other people, she went through some really tough stuff in her life. So yeah, I think our parents definitely. And my kids inspire me, you know, they are so smart. And their dad and I always say, despite us, they're really smart. They're really sorted. they're so fantastically inquisitive and kind and full of energy. And you know when you sort of look and think, okay, well, we might have made a mess of certain things, but we did something right. And I think also their grandparents have inspired them.

And also, I must say, my brothers are pretty brilliant. They're really funny. They work so hard to raise their families and stuff. And also my girlfriends, I could not do without my girlfriends. My girlfriends are there for me when we're the lowest of the low moments and the funniest moments. And they're always there at the end of the phone. I think, yeah, I feel very grateful to be surrounded by a good crew. And a good crew who will definitely put me in my place if I ever get above of my station.

You know, which can happen sometimes. We can be selfish and self-centered and a bit, you know, it can be a complete pratt sometimes. And your girlfriends are definitely there to go, Oi, you, get a grip, reality, positivity, yeah. I can hear seagulls in the background? Can I just say, as you're talking, I'm bewitched and beguiled by the seagulls. I know, they are so rowdy.

I feel like I'm by the seaside, it's nice. Cats and seagulls, we're surrounded. Should we have another question? Hi, Zoe, hi, Joe. Congratulations on the podcast. It's fantastic so far, even though we're only a couple of episodes in. I feel like I've grown up with you both.

I've recently turned 40. So this is just a natural progression that you two get your heads together and get on a podcast and give people of our generation exactly what they want. So my question, it's not related to that at all, but you both have been in the industry for so long you've got to experience so much. I'm just curious, do either of you still get starstruck? And if so, who was the last person and why? Blimey. Brian, lovely to have you listening. By the way, youngster, 40-year-old, any age, welcome.

on this pod, by the way. We love it, all ages. Joe. Yes. Who has made you the most starstruck? I think it's because our job is music related. Mine has always been music related in particular. So we have spoken to an awful lot of people. I remember interviewing Eminem and Dr. Dre once, and that was horrible. Oh my God. So I interviewed Eminem when he was very, very young and he was very shy and very polite, kept calling me ma'am all the time and was really, really sweet and humble. then a couple of years later, he came back on the show again, but with Dr. Dre. And the fame had happened, and he was just these other creature altogether. And they were just, they were so playful with me. Can I just say, they made me feel like so tiny and so stupid. And it was a really

unpleasant experience. I did not enjoy that. In the world of music, that was something that stands out. But I think when it comes to being starstruck, it's people outside of music that really get to me. So, you know, Monty Don is the person that whenever I get to interview him. I'm like, oh my God, I don't want Monty to think I'm stupid. I must really sound like I know what I'm talking about, and I really hope you think I'm cool. Chances are he doesn't at all. But yeah, people who are like legends, icons in their field.

So Monty of the gardening world, Dame Mary Berry, you just want her to like you as well. That's what it all comes down to. When you're talking about being starstruck, it's just wanting people to respect and to like you and not think you're a complete idiot. So I'd put Monty up there. I'd put Mary Berry up there as well.

And Will Ferrell, I interviewed Will Ferrell, and for some reason, I've just loved him all my life so much and he's made me laugh so much that when he came on the show, I really, really, really wanted him to like me as well. So I, you know, so inevitably you don't speak normally, do you? You didn't do these people. You'd have a normal conversation with, with Paul Weller, but can you speak to Mary Berry without tripping over your words and saying something stupid? No, you cannot. Doing the breakfast show really helped me because it was like exercise. There were people there every other day. I was like, oh my goodness me. We used to call it the Monti-Don

effect on the breakfast show. It was Monti-don, sexy priest. Andrew Scott, and Harry Stiles would have the biggest reaction around the office. Harry Stiles actually had a queue around the block when he came on the show. And they'd come thick and fast, like Tom Cruise, Pedro Pascal, who I completely adore. You know, funny people are always wonderful. I think there was one time when I had to interview Robert De Niro with Al Pacino, and I had a menopause hot flush, my glasses were sliding down my nose, and I was like, just pull yourself together, just pull yourself together.

just both together. And they were both so patient and adorable with me. And another time when I had

to interview Brad Pitt, Margo Robby and Leonardo DiCaprio. And I just talked to Margo. She is so adorable. She is gorgeous.

And also then I interviewed her with Ryan Gosling and he was pretty up there for me because I was obsessed with the notebook. And they were funny

and charming. And I think you learn doing the job we do do, do your research. I think the most star struck I ever was was so painful. It was an actor. I'm not going to talk about who he was. I was sent by a TV show to interview him.

I had begged my co-host, Jamie Thiexton, to go and do the interview. I was like, I love this guy so much. I will not be able to speak? Please will you go and talk to him for me? He was like, no, you'll be fine. I sat in the interview room. His knee was touching mine. It was like a closed set.

I started on the wrong foot. I kept asking him about whether he spoke of, I don't know why. I was like, did you speak French? Do you dream in French? And he's like, no, I don't speak French. And it was so painful. And I remember afterwards running into Simon Pegg and Simon Pegg saying, oh my God, you totally humiliated yourself in front of blank blank. It was that painful. And I think after that point, I was like, I've got to get a grip. Oh my God. I'm so desperate to know who that is. We're going to take a quick break for some ads. But if you're keen to listen to these episodes ad free and early, you can subscribe to the potting chef.

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Find out how much at Airbnb.com.uk slash host. If you're loving Digit so far, don't forget to hit follow so that you never miss an episode. Let's hear from somebody else, shall we? So Millie has got a question for us. Hi, Joe and Zoe. I love both your styles. and I'm about to go on holiday to Cornwall at the end of August. And I was just wondering what would be in your capsule wardrobe.

I'm a mum of four and we're camping. And I'd love sort of a few practical outfits and there may be some wow ones for the evening. Thanks so much, just wondering what your go-toes would be. Oh, no pressure. Millie, thank you. I hope you have a great time in Cornwall. It's a holiday. We've done a lot with the four kids.

And so I know, oh my God, that packing nightmare. Packing is my single most, I hate packing. I have a really busy head, I can't make decisions. Like if you're, I find packing, if you're like doing something like, if you're going skiing, I find it easier because you've got equipment, you need it, and you know in the evening you just want to be comfy and you don't wear that much other than your ski gear. That fine. Holidays, camping, because the tricky thing is the weather, isn't it?

Because it could be 80 degrees, it could be 65 degrees and raining. So I hate packing for holiday. And what I have to do is I have to sort of start and, initial pack, something like a week before, the initial pile. And it seems quite reasonable. But then you think, oh, hang on, I might need that raincoat. I might need these walking suits, walking suits. Walking suits. You have walking suits. Why do I not have a walking suit? Walking boots is what I mean, and your socks and stuff like that. And it just all the, it always seems like so much paraphernalia. And then when I turn up with my luggage, the rest of the

gang are always like, what is that? I'm like, I'm very tall. I have tall clothes. I have big feet, I have big shoes. So I wish someone would teach me, Millie, how to do a capsule wardrobe. And I'd like a capsule wardrobe for a festival, capsule wardrobe for camping. Not that you often catch me camping, unless it's a festival.

And a capsule wardrobe for going on a summer holiday. I would say, so what you need, if you're going to Cornwall or you're going camping or somewhere like that, you need the thing that you cover up when you come out of the sea. Either a dry robe or one of the toweling robes that you wear. wear, because that covers all bases. You need that absolutely, because you can wear that going down into the sea, you can write when you come out, you can work when you go to supermarket, to get your supplies, whatever.

You can actually wear that out, so that's fine. You need a really nice few floaty dresses and or short skirts and then a big jumper. You know, you need to be warm, you need a vest top or a camisole. I really quite like a camisole. So you have floaty dress, floaty skirt or short skirt, shorts. I mean, I'm saying all this. I just wear shorts when I go on holiday. What am I on about? I'm deluding everybody and myself. I just wear shorts and I wear flip flops or big boots and then a jumper to go over the top. Yeah, and you do it so well. You look so good in it. I think this is the other thing. I do not look good in holiday clothes. I look good in winter clothes. Dark colours covered up. I don't like getting my body out when it comes to holidays. The thing is though you get really worried about all this stuff before you go. And then when you get there, you don't care, do you? You're on holiday. You kick back.

You wear three or four items of clothing. And I always think when I go back, right, remember, just keep those things in a case, wash them. That's what you wear next year. Because something happens in the year before, when you've been on holiday and you go, when the next year you think, well, what did I wear last year? I don't even know. We're like, did I wear this? It looked freaking awful.

Why am I wearing that? It's like you overthink it. In a way, I guess just chucking stuff in a bag and going is probably a better thing. And maybe less is more. I've got a clothes rail in the garage, which, because our wardrobes are not very big. So I've got clothes rail in the garage. And I have literally got all my favorite dresses that I wear. And I really haven't bought many new dresses for holidays over the years at all.

But I've got favourite things that I absolutely love. So I might have worn them once or twice at Glastonbury. But there's such comfort in going out there and just going, this is what I'm going to be wearing this summer this week when I go on holiday. And I just take out that dress. And also they have lovely memories with them too, don't they? Yeah. So you remember wearing that particular dress on a beach in France or Cornwall or wherever it is.

And so I've got about five or six different dresses. And they're my summer holiday dresses and I'll wear them year after year after year. I mean, it's not good for photographs because you're wearing the same thing in year. Who cares? I'm never in the photos. No, good point. But then, yeah, then you can wear like a jumper or a fleece or whatever it is over the top. You can get new things.

It's really sad when you get to an age. I recently have gone off all my shorts because I've got Varica's veins. Lovely subject. I'm getting them done in September. I will be talking about it on the pod, no doubt. I went from my appointment this week. I can tell you all about it. I'm sure I'll be doing the pod in my stockings when I get them done.

So shorts don't look so great on my legs anymore. Maybe once they've got a bit of fake tan on. This is another question, Millie. Will you be fake tanning before you go away? Because I am really pale. I think I'm the palest I've ever been at this time of year because I've just not been sitting in the sun. And I don't really sit in it anymore, to be honest.

Even when I'm on holiday, I tend to sit in the shade quite a lot because I think I've really started to realize the sun damage that I've done to myself over the years. But I'm so pasty. I think I might have to fake tan. but I don't do it well. There's a whole thing with fake tan, which I mean, fake tans are amazing. So if I'm doing the Glastonbury coverage, I will get my fake tan done and it will be done by a professional and it will look fantastic.

Thank you, James. But the thing that I have discovered is you have your fake tan. And what it does is it attaches itself to the sun damage that you've done over the years. So any of those age spots, any of those dark spots that you've got on your body, they become darker when you put fake tan on. And that's been a whole revelation. I'm like, oh no, this is ridiculous. So actually it's possibly better not to have a fake tan because if I do that, I just look like I've got measles or chicken pox

because the dark age spots are even darker and they just get, the attention gets drawn to them. I'm like, oh no, so I can stay out of the sun because I don't want to damage my skin any more than I have and I have damaged my skin a lot over the years. But the fake tan actually, on a weekly basis, I could not have a fake tan because it would just make those age spots darker and darker and darker.

And that's really annoying. Yeah, this is my advice to anyone young And I'm trying to get this into Nell's head at the moment. I'm like, Nell just use high SPF all the time. I don't use anything less than 50 anywhere anymore. I use 50 on my body and 50 on my face. You know, it's irreversible. It is, yeah.

The damage that we've done, you know, I was a teenager in the 80s. People are on sunbears all the time. And I'm really starting to see that now. It's like, oh my God. My arms become like a sort of patchwork dot to dot. Yeah. No, it's real. So if anyone has any tips on capsule wardrobes or how to pack,

Like, you know, if there's top tips of, right, you know, you need, these, I've worked out the maths of what you need on holiday. How many pairs of pants, you know, how many things. Please tell us, because anyone who could make my packing any easier for me, I will love you forever. One thing I have started doing is getting those little bags. You can get some really cool bags, like zip up bags in lots of different bright colors. I think bagu do them, lots of places do them. And they're brilliant because I'm like you. I've got a really chaotic mind and I'm not organised at all at all at all.

However, if you do get one of those zipper bags and you do put all your pants in there, you put all your bras in there, you put your t-shirts. Just having that separation because when I get on holiday, I just cannot make sense of my wardrobe and what to wear. But if I know I have that bag to reach into to put my pants on and then I have that bag to reach into and my socks will be in there, that has helped me enormously. And it sounds like it's not rocket science and it's a really obvious thing to do. But it hasn't been obvious to me up until now. And all of a sudden I'm like, okay, this brings a bit of order to my mind and kind of calms me down a little bit when it comes to knowing what to wear. on a day. Also, if you're going on a sunny holiday, my friend Gail, Rinkoff, she's a stylist, she taught me this great trick, which was if you're taking loads of summer dresses, put them on

really light hangers, okay, so I take them out my wardrobe on the light hangers and then I fold them into the case, flip, flop, flip like that, and then they're in there and then when I get there, I take them out on the little hangers and put them straight in the wardrobe. Oh, save so much time. That is a really good little tip. It's great. For me, it's all the paraphernalia. You know, you're talking about cocoa and hair appliances and makeup and stuff. For me, I've got so many goddamn creams. I've got all my HRT stuff. I've got all the supplements.

I've got 78 things that I put on my face that make absolutely no difference whatsoever. I'm like, why have I got so many hair clips? I brought all these hair clips with me. I never use hair clips. There's something about the psychology, isn't it? It's the psychology of, oh my God, I've got a week. I'm not doing anything. I haven't got to go and do work and stuff like that.

So I'm going to do all the face packs I've been storing up over the last year. I'm going to make myself look pretty with my hair clips because I never normally do that. And you just think, this is it. I'm going to do this whole week and I'm going to just indulge in all the stuff I've bought over the year. But you don't. You don't. You don't need any of it, girls. And also, buy the big things when you get on holidays.

So any like shampoos, shower gels, all that of stuff, like I just get when I'm there. Have we helped Millie? I don't know if we've helped Millie at all. We've burbled on a lot about our own travel crises. I'm always the overweight luggage person. Yay. And the whole family, it just. like pointing at me, shame on you, shame on you. And I'm going, please can somebody take my

conditioner and have it in their bag? Please can you take my hair dry and put it in that bag? I didn't need to take a hair dry with me, but without fail every year. Next question. What have we got? This one comes from Susan. Like Joe, I too have a dodgy rotator cuff in one shoulder. I adore swimming and I'm really sad as I'm having to take a break to let my shoulder calm down a bit. I also love lifting weights, but find this aggravates the injury too. Joe, I know you enjoy weights. How do you manage to get fit and strong with this annoying rotator cuff issue? I'm also interested to know how you both keep active.

Susan, I feel your pain because if it's, you know, Joe's got a rotator cuff. I've got a dicky hip. It's all go. Joe, what do you do? Yeah, Susan, I feel your pain in every aspect of what you've just said. And it's really bad this week. So it's funny that you've got in touch this week because I went see physio Phil, who is an amazing physio in Northampton. Thank you, Phil.

And he looked to me and I've got not one but two dodgy rotator cuffs. And it's genuinely affects everything that I do at the moment. And I love swimming so much. And I'm finding it really hard. I went swimming the other day and actually couldn't do front crawl. And it just made me feel really depressed because it's taken away one of the things that makes me really happy and keeps my sanity. And I was like, God, is this it? I should have had an operation a few years ago.

and I didn't. And then it seemed to get a lot better. And I was like, okay, I've dodged it, it's fine. And I carried on going to the gym and working out, and it was all right. But for some reason, probably age and wear and tear, it's just got really bad at the moment. So things that I'm struggling to do with my rotator cuff is put marmite on bread. If the butter is really hard, it's obviously an action that is just underneath that I cannot put pressure on a knife. Drying my hair is really painful.

Anyone with the bad rotator cuff will know exactly what I'm talking about. It's just certain angles that it catches. I've got torn ligaments and it's just, oh, really painful. So it's talking to physios and getting advice from them about what the exercises are that will help build up and support your shoulder. So that's what I'm trying to do at the moment. But I feel like I'm in the thick of it at the moment. Like you with your hip. Yeah. I've got besides us. Yeah. I think that you sort of learn these things come with age and I sort of think, okay, there's probably always going to be something that you're kind of dealing with. I think it's

trying to find, like you say, seeing a good physio, who can give you some advice. I'm actually going to go and get an MRI on my hip because it got a little better with physio from the lovely Jill and then it seems to just be getting worse and worse than it. Just walking, walking to the station is one of the hardest things. Isn't that ridiculous? Sleeping at night, it's so painful. It's always niggling. But I didn't do any exercise for a while and then everything was turning to flab. It's like, I've got to do something because also exercise helps with the endorphins, which keeps me happy. So I've been training with a PT, JT, who's brilliant and he's trying to sort of work around it and strengthen other parts of me

and we've been trying to do some different exercises that help. I think it's that thing, isn't it? You just need people to give you quite good advice. Yeah. Because stopping completely is not really an option. I know you've got to rest certain areas, but it's so frustrating because for so many reasons, we do need the exercise. And I wonder whether these are just things

that we're going to have to adapt to as we get older. It makes me love, when I get up from this podcast, from this sofa where I'm sitting with my legs across, you know, like this, which I probably shouldn't do anyway. Jill's always like both feet on the floor, sit up straight. Sorry Jill, but it's that thing when I get up or I get out of the car. Sometimes it's sort of like a seven movement thing of like like a freaking robot that's not been oiled. I look at myself and I think, what's happened to me? Oh, it's rotten, isn't it? I also I think you need to take action now because

yeah, looking at my parents who are really like stiff and struggling to move around. It's like, okay, so you have to make a decision now. My dad should have had a knee replacement like years and years ago, and it's too late now. He went to the hospital and they were like, yeah, you should have done that. And so he's just shuffling around. It can barely walk. So it's kind of, you know, I was probably being a coward by not having an operation

and not dealing with my rototocuff a few years ago, and I probably should have had it done then. So now I've got to make myself do that. But it's definitely, you know, if you're an active person, things just wear out, don't they? They really do. They do wear out. Sleep is really, when you get interrupted sleep,

because you just cannot. get comfortable. It's so depilitating. No, it is so frustrating. You've got a cushion under here and a cushion over there and turning on one side and legs in the air and then you get up and have a walk around and I need the loo. I'm so with you with the cushions. It's the number of cushions I need to sleep at the night. It's ridiculous between the knees under the arm, around the neck, under the belly, everything literally. It's like a Tracy M in art installation watching me get into bed and sleep at night. But Susan, I think ultimately what we're saying is we feel your pain and probably the best thing to do is to go and see a physio and then get advice from them about

the muscles you need to build up, how you can support and what kind of action you need to take because that's what we're both doing it right now. And I think when you get to a different age, you know, a certain age is just you just need to take care of yourself, but with professional help. Well, that was fun. I think we covered a lot of ground there, Joe. Thank you for all your questions. Keep them coming in and anything you want to share on things that we've decided. discussed, we'd love to spread the word. Joe, have a good week. I'll see you Wednesday. Yep, see you then. Bye. Digit is a Persephonica production.