Dig It with Jo Whiley and Zoe Ball - DIG IN: Windproof Pants, Apple-Catchers and Why Grief Sometimes Blooms

Episode Date: July 28, 2025

Scaly legs, eye bags, and wind-absorbing underwear - nothing’s off-limits in this Q&A edition of Dig It. Jo and Zoe also get honest about motherhood, identity and how planting something beautiful can keep a memory alive. Got something to ask Jo and Zoe? Or a tip to share? Get in touch! GET IN TOUCH 📧 Email us: [e-mail] 📱 Text us: 07477 038795 💬 Or tap here to send a voice note or message on WhatsApp: https://wa.me/447477038795 GET EARLY AND AD-FREE EPISODES Become a member of The Potting Shed for early and ad-free episodes and bonus content 👉 https://digit.supportingcast.fm/ SPECIAL THANKS TO OUR SPONSOR This episode is brought to you by Ancient and Brave. 🛍️ Get 20% off your first one-off purchase with the code DIGIT at 👉 ancientandbrave.earth/planet CREDITS Exec Producer: Jonathan O’Sullivan  Technical Producer: Will Gibson, Silvia Maresca & Oliver Geraghty Video Editor: Danny Pape   Dig It is a Persephonica production 

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everybody, Joe, we really need to have a collective name, I think, don't we? For our listeners and our viewers, if we're called Dig It, can they be diggers? They could be diggers, yeah, they could be. I'm sure they'll have better ideas than we do. Yes. And what do we call Mondays? Do we call it, I don't know, is it dig deeper? Dig deeper, like it. But there'll be somebody watching there who's got a much better idea. And if that's the case, you have to let us know. Yeah, well, we discovered that, didn't we? With the name of the podcast. Everyone's suggestions were brilliant. So we've discussed a lot already so far. We were talking about parties and social anxiety. And so many people, I mean, quite shockingly, so many people came out and said how hard they found going to social gatherings, dinner parties and parties. And we did a Spotify poll and we've got the results now. So I can tell you how do you actually feel about going to a party? And the response was 9% said, love it. First to dance. That's just 9%. 4% said in and out in 10 minutes. 32% said, can I just not? And then 55% said only if I know people. So I think it's that,

it's that familiarity. And like we said last week, it's about giving people jobs, giving them something to do, maybe doing a quiz. We do that quite often when we have parties, just so that there is an activity that people are nailed to and kind of they can just throw themselves into that thing. But that's interesting, isn't it? Yeah, it's quite amazing. In and out in 10 minutes. That's, yeah, that's totally where I am. But I think it's really, good to, you know, share that as a conversation for everybody to be like, oh, I don't have to feel so bad because it's not just me, it's everybody else. And look, even Will Young, the fabulous Will Young got in touch and said, one of our social videos, he said, I blame the dogs to get out

of things. Yes, got to get back for the dogs. Sorry, come to the party. Got to look after the dogs. We love you, Will. Sending loads of love. It's weird. I always, I realized, I've always used my sister. I think my dad has as well. Because she can't. needs taking care of. She's just the best partner in the world to go to a party or a social gathering with because you've always got that excuse of, you know, you have to, you're tethered to her and you have to care for her and you have to go and do things that she wants to do, whether it's taken her to the toilet or I just let her dominate the conversation because she is quite loud. So, yeah, I don't know about dogs, but my sister, I use her. Also,

I'd want, I'd want Francis at any party. She sounds like the most fun ever, your sister. The fact that she loves bingo and she's very loud, you need her at every party. Yeah. She's definitely the dominant sister out of the two of us. She is the one who will have the conversation who will, as soon as she sees someone, is just like, yay, Norma, and give her a big hug and ask people questions. Her question normally, this is her party etiquette is, what's your name? How old are you?

Have you got a dog? I mean, they're the three questions you need, really, isn't it? They're the best questions. I love that, going straight and with, how old are you? Yeah, always. always. I imagine people being really kind of like disarmed by her as well, telling her anything. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Supermarkets, parties, wherever you are, car parks. And Joe S on Spotify said, tips for ice break as a parties. What five ingredients are essential for a best cooked breakfast. It

sounds really dull, but it comes this very passionate debate. So just bring that into the conversation and just ask people, what would you have five things? I mean, who has hash browns when you could have black pudding? It just gets the conversation going. So I love that. That's Jo. Thank you for that. Okay. Joe, well, let's quickly do that now.

Five key ingredients for a cook breakfast. For me, would have to be bacon, egg, sausage, tin tomatoes, love them, and beans. What about you,

Joe? Yeah, I would go for bubble and squeak. The super sausage near us does an amazing bubble and squeak. So it would be a bubble, scrabbled egg,

baked beans, tomatoes and hash browns. All the potato, all the carbs. God, all the carbs. Guess what I'm doing after this? Guess where I'm going after this?

Are you going to the Super sausage. The super sausage. I need to go to the super sausage. This is lovely. We've got a voice note. Alison has been in touch about planting for loved ones. Hi Zoe. Hi Joe. Alison from St. Aubin's here. Thank you so much for the pet music and gardening chat. This podcast is brilliant. Particular shout out to the plants for people mentioned in the first episode. I lost my mum two years ago to motor neurone disease. and she was a really serious gardener. I couldn't actually save all of her actual plants, but there are ones that I've replaced in her memory.

And earlier this year, I was in the garden centre and I got actual shivers up my spine from finding the first ever flower seeds that she gave me for my brownie gardening badge when I was a child. It was candy tuft, and I've never thought about this flower at all in decades. and then suddenly there they were at the till

and I just loved them. And they've grown so beautifully in my borders and it really matters to see the living horticulture around you. It kind of means you're breathing the same air as them even when they're gone. But thanks again and I just want to say I can't wait for the next episode.

Oh God, how eloquently put. That's so beautiful, Alison. I know. And it's so moving. I lost my stepdad to motueneurin disease. It is a cruel, cruel disease. But you know, as Alison was telling that story, you can feel, you know, I feel the hairs go up on end on my arms because those little moments, often those moments come at such unexpected times that you feel that connection or something triggers those wonderful memories. And then to find the seeds and plant them and look how beautiful they are.

If you'd like to see Alison's plants, then you can, of course, you can see them if you watch on Spotify or YouTube. Alison, that is truly moving. I'm so sorry to hear about your mum, Alison. Like you say, there's just, there's something about growing things for our lost loves. It really is quite a special thing, isn't it? Just to have them part of your garden every time you walk out there and you see them and you could just, you're just like, hi, hello. Hi. I know.

I mean, God, Charles was talking about talking to plants like decades and decades ago and then had the people taking the Mickey out of him. And I talk to my plants because they symbolise the people that we've lost. Yeah, absolutely. I really do. Personally, I would like to see more photographs of people's plants and hear the story. always behind them as well. So, yes, please. Send them our way. Send them our way. Yeah, do. Especially new things like candy tuft. I've never heard of candy tuft. I'm going to look out for that as well.

Okay, another voice note, I think. Hi, Jo and Zoe. It's Kerry from Bemore Betty. In relation to your present buying, that we have a very funny story in our family that my nan always buys us pants for Christmas. And I always get the shit ones like every year. and this has been going on for at least 20 years that my sister will get some nice thongs and I get these friggin apple catcher like boobhugger pants and last year they were in apple green

I mean it's just ridiculous and also just to put it into perspective not that there's anything wrong with sizes but I'm a size 10 and these are like a size 16 to 18 I mean I don't know what's going on anyway what we do is we actually have to wear them all day and yeah it's quite funny

So that's my gift of love for my nan. I mean, I just wouldn't buy pants for my grandkids. Or maybe I would. I'm not there yet. But I just don't have the heart to tell her that they don't fit. But anyway, have a great day. I cannot wait for your podcast to come out. You're my two favourite people.

And, yeah, hope it all goes well. Oh, Kerry. We will always think of Kerry in her size 16, apple green, apple catcher pants. That's hilarious. Oh, my God. Kerry, you've just reminded me, last week we were off. about a worst present so I couldn't think of anything. And Disco Steve is going to absolutely kill me when I tell this story.

But the worst present I've ever received, it was me and it was India, my daughter, this was about five years ago. And at the end of Christmas, he was like, oh, I've got a special present for you both. I don't want you to open it in front of anybody else. So come in the other room and open it here. We were like, oh, this is exciting. Is it going to be jewelry? It's going to be something very special.

He handed us over these packets. And inside were pants, but they were pants that you could pass wind in and nobody would be able to smell it. because it was absorbed into the pants. What? On the internet. He found them on the internet, of course, because he's always there on TikTok or wherever looking around. And he was like, it's really good because, you know,

when you're in the studio or when you're taking photographs into you or whatever you're doing, you can just do what you have to do. And it's fine. No one will smell it. It just gets absorbed into the pants. Oh, my Lord. Honestly, he will kill me. A practical thing, but they sound disgusting.

I also want to know about the science. How do they stop? the wind seeping out. Where does it go? Where does the smell go? I think it's to do with carbon. Really? I think there might be carbon something in the gusset.

Have they got some really sort of like bread like gusset? Yeah. So all gets absorbed into the gusset. No one knows. You can just go back. You can carry on doing your radio show. You can take photographs, whatever. Nobody knows.

You're all fine. I mean, this is next level stuff. And I love that. He buys them for you, his wife. and his eldest daughter. Why do the rest of them? Why did Cass not get any? I mean, you know, there's so many questions here.

I know, right? Revenge will be sweet, though. Revenge will be sweet. I think anyone who has suggestions of things that Joe and India could give to disco Steve as revenge, getting them in. But he did it with love. He was really proud when he gave them to us.

It wasn't like, oh, this is a joke, this is a gag. I bought these. It was like, look, this is genius. Look what I found on the internet. This is amazing. It's going to change your life. And so our faces, when we started laughing and we were disgusted, he was like, so crestful and it was awful. But it's a good question, though, have you ever broken wind in the studio?

Have you had to? Can you pull it back up? Can you kind of hold it in? I would never discuss that on a podcast, Zoe. Okay, never. You know, because it is terrible in a situation where you're like, oh, I really, really, oh. And you have to sort of, I don't know if it's possible to. Everyone's been there.

Suck the air back up and hold it in. or just blame someone else. Yeah, if you're on your own, it's impossible. Anyway, moving on. Sorry. Moving on. I blame disco Steve for this whole conversation. We're going to take a quick break for some ads.

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Okay, nicknames. We had an email from Kim, Kim, Colinson. If you want to get an email to us, it's questions at digitpod.com.com, by the way, so questions at digitpod.com. And Kim was saying, relating to names that your kids call you,

our eldest started to call us by our real names, rather than mum and dad when she was about 10. I thought it was a phase, so I just ignored it. You obviously pick your battles and all that.

that. But then our youngest started doing it. And now that's all they ever call us. It annoys the hell out of our families and friends question it, but there's no going back now. And it makes me a little bit sad, but what can you do? I couldn't deal with that. No. I'd, yeah. I mean, the kids can call me, Zoe, if they need my attention. I'm all for using the full name, someone's like full name, you know, middle names and everything if you need, you know, when you're shouting for them, like, would he, when if I, when if I'm going, when if I'd hate it, if my, would he, would he, would if I cook, then it might finally answer. But yeah, I'd hate it if my kids call me Zoe.

It'd be really weird. I'm mum or mama or ma sometimes. They're the three names that I get called. And I know. I would feel a bit sad as well, Kerry. I know exactly where you're coming from. But also that you can't stop them. It's so frustrating, isn't it?

That they're just going to carry on. And that's what they're going to call you. And there is nothing you can do about it, apart from ignore them. I love this one from Natasha Simpson, though, on Instagram. who says, my two call me Stephen or Steve with a V. It's important. Absolutely no idea why. I mean, that's genius.

That's hilarious. Oy, Steve, Stephen. It's just for no reason whatsoever. I'd like to meet those kids. They sound brilliant. I've got a voice note next from Louise. Hi, guys. I wanted to send a voice note in because I really enjoyed the first episode.

And I was listening to it after putting my 22-month-old baby to sleep. and I was cleaning the kitchen and it is so lovely to hear from people that are further along on the motherhood journey. And I love that it is a gardening podcast as well because one thing I reflected on since becoming a mother,

especially when I was in maternity leave, which was the longest I was off from work, was how you notice the seasons a lot more, I think, when you become a parent because you're off the sort of rat run of life and enjoy in a completely different way of being. My little daughter is called Florey. We've kitchen discos

where we put on YouTube and we dance around the kitchen to like our own selections, which invariably is songs that take us back to our university days or some really cool dance music, just things that put us back in touch with who we were before we came parents. So I suppose my question is, what tools do you guys or experiences do you guys have to keep you in touch with who you were before you became parents? And also maybe something to bridge that gap. How do you bring the next generation along with you and maybe foster similar interests and keep yourself in touch with who you were, but also who you've made.

I become. Thanks so much. Oh, thank you, Louise. What a great, gorgeous name, Florey. Yeah. That's lovely. I'd nick that if I wasn't too old to have kids now. It's funny, isn't it? When you're a new parent, there is that thing where you slightly lose your identity and you can't quite remember who you were before. Whereas now, I don't know how is it for you, Joe, I love being a mum. It's the best thing about my life being mum, I think. It's such a gift. It's gift that keeps on giving. Yes, it causes you so much stress. You never don't worry about your kids. But as they get older and they become these personalities and it doesn't matter what you've played them or how you've brought them up, they'll become individuals who have their own passions in life

and their own humour. And you see little moments of yourself, sometimes the good and the bads and little bits of, you know, dads and also other members of the family where I think, oh my God, you've got that from your granddad. Yes, they're really clever. They're really smart. They didn't get that from me. But it's, yeah, it changes, doesn't it? As your kids grow. Yeah. I was quite flummoxed by this question because it's so long ago that I can't remember how I felt when I had a baby. Because it's so all-consuming. And it's so much your identity being a mum, it just takes over completely. So I actually reached out to a couple of my daughter's friends because we're now into the next stage of our lives when my daughter's friends are having babies. And so I thought I just asked them what they, how they feel,

because Louise, they're kind of similar to yourself. And one of them, Ali was saying that playing tennis is her thing. So it's just something that reminds her of who she used to be. She loved playing tennis. So when she has her daughter looked after by someone else and she'll go on a tennis court and she'll play tennis and it just reminds her of the alley that she was before she became a mum. And it just gives a little bit of a sense. back. And then I'm supposed to Jade as well, who's got the gorgeous Otto, and she was saying it's going to festivals, just getting some time out and doing the thing that you used to do. So being the festival goer that you were before you were the mum. And it's basically just getting some time away

from your child, isn't it? And doing the things that made you happy and were big, big parts of your identity. So it's having people help you out to give you some space if you possibly can. And I know that's not the case for everybody. But it's just reconnecting with the stuff that made you who you before you became a mother. I think if you're really lucky, and I think this is something, you know, to learn quite early on into parenthood is having kids that will happily go to someone.

Now, if you're lucky enough, you've got parents who support or friends who can come and give you a hand now and again, just to give you that, even if it's just to give you that time to go and brush your teeth or have a shower or have 20 minutes to yourself, but having kids who will happily go to someone,

you know, whether that's a regular babysitter, or, you know, another family member or something like that, it is, it's kind of good for them. It's good for the baby to not always be clung on to mum. Because I think if the longer and longer baby will only go to mum, the less freedom you have. And it's really tricky because, you know, some parents, when you're, you know, when your first parents,

you don't want to hand your baby over to anyone else. You want to do it all yourself and you want to be so fiercely independent. But I think it is good if you can now and again to get some help. just give you that little bit of freedom. Like, you know, even if that's to walk around the block and, you know, breathing out a bit of time for yourself, it's, it's, yeah, it's invaluable that, isn't it? Yeah. It's just, I mean, my kids would go to other people rather than be with me when I was younger, to be honestly. And I worked. So you were a working mum as well, weren't you? So, you know, my kids did get used to having other people look after them out of necessity. Yeah, out of necessity.

Yeah, out of necessity, absolutely. And I know lots of our listeners, you know, are probably working parents as well. I think it's very hard when people don't have family or friends nearby and also can't afford childcare. It's you're just, um, the two of you just become this one item and you just don't get a break. And I'm really aware that that happens for an awful lot of people as well, just not having family around to, because there's a natural inclination, isn't there for a grandchild to go to their grandparents. That's absolutely, that they just will. I'm haunted by dropping off, um, my boys in particular, because India I took with me everywhere, but the boys, I had to put them into nursery because of my work. and they hated it. They absolutely hated it. And they screamed and they cried and that awful thing of walking away from them and seeing them in the hands of someone that you don't know really. It's a horrible feeling and it makes me feel sick to my stomach now when I think about it. And I kind of gave up in the end. It's why we moved house. It's why we moved to where we are now so that we could be near my mum and dad. And then they helped out with the childcare. My dad became our nanny. But we were lucky enough to be able to do that. But it was a sacrifice of moving out of London and moving back here and it just changed absolutely everything. But it was a lot of

was the only way I could think to keep the kids happy. So we did it. And then once they're older, you're really excited that they're still around. They come around. They come out and they hang out. And you're like, I can't wait for my kids to have grandkids. I mean, Nell's 15. It's going to be a while. Woody's 24 and he's not showing any signs of that. But I sort of, that's my thing. I'm like, I'll be a really good girl. I'll eat all my greens. If you just give me enough time on this planet to see my kids have kids. Okay. Next question. Sorry, we deviated an awful lot there, but you caused some big debate. Thank you for that. Oh, we've got video message next. Let's see who we've got.

Hello, Joe and Zoe. My name is Millie, and I'm so happy you're going to be doing a podcast together. But I'm just sending a quick message to ask you if you had any tips for amazing under eye cream. So since hitting 50, I'm getting really being bagged under my ears. And nothing I've tried seems to work. So I just wondered if perhaps you'd give me any tips. Bye. How gorgeous is Millie?

She's absolutely stunning. I know. I am loving hearing people and seeing people. Yes. I just feel like this is this massive gang, this collective that we've got and everyone's just so gorgeous and articulate and we've got the same interest. This is just so lovely. Anyway, gush over. Under-eye bags. I don't get bags particularly, but you're so lucky. Oh my God. No, but if I drink, I absolutely see. I get puffy under the eyes, so I don't really drink very much anymore, hardly. But the best thing I think is filling up a bowl, a sink with cold water and just plunging your face into it. And that just tightens up all the skin. And that is a really, really good way. And then also getting those little, like the gel sachets that you keep in the fridge that are really cold

and sticking those under your eyes. They're good. They're really good. See, I buy those and then I never use them. They're all under the sink. I can't be doing with all the creams and stuff because I kind of, I have shelves of creams,

all those different things. But I can't, you know, by the time you've done cleanse and put your peptides on or whatever else it is in a bottle, that I'm like, oh, apparently I need this. I can't be bothered to do an eye cream as well. So I've never bothered doing it. My, I've got that thing of wearing glasses now where underneath they're getting quite black.

And I'm not very good with, what's it, concealer and all those under eye creams. Because I always find as you get older, everything gets a bit more dried and crevacy. And the more stuff I put on it, the worse it seems to be. So I kind of, I think you're probably right, Joe. I think the plunge, plunge your face into ice cold walls. is probably the cheapest and the best thing you can do. And also, Millie, can I just say you look phenomenal? I don't think you need to be worrying about it.

You look so great. But it's interesting you're saying about them being worse when you've been drinking. It's probably a lot of it's dehydration, isn't it? Toxins, I guess. That's why I was assumed that it's just kind of all the nasty toxins that just gather there. And I look at photographs now of when I was, like, I was going to classroom. There was just a phase that I was really just loving my Jack Daniels.

So I was having a great, great time. but I can see on my face that I've just got like these dark bags I'm like oh god that's probably just full of Jack Daniels there so I think just not drinking has made me look a lot better and also sleeping like trying to get some sleep is really important I never get enough sleep

but it definitely look a lot better a lot plumber and then you know dare I say it oh facials and I can never say this guashes quashas they're quite good they're really good getting rid of all the gunk that's trapped under your eyes. So maybe one of those.

I tell you what, I would really love to see if somebody could actually do a demonstration, a display of how to use a gawasha. And also tell us how to say it properly too. So, yeah, please show us what to do. Because you're trying to do the lymphatic drainage, aren't you? That's it. There's loads of people that do videos of it. And you do biome in your chemist.

And you're sort of pulling up trying to get the puffy drainage, the lymphatic drainage. And I think you, what do you do? Take it around the back of your ear and then you just down. Your scupes are behind your ear, I think. So it can all live there. No one can see it. Yeah. She's just so behind our ears.

We've got this like weird doctor who puffiness. No, I think what you're supposed to do is take it down to your, this bit. And I think, I think, because I think your lymph drainage is behind your knees. I've been reading a lot about this recently. We'll get you. Behind your knees in your groin. And then here, there's, I think this is right. someone will soon correct this.

So if you're doing your face, you're pulling it up and around your ear and then you're taking it down. I see this really amazing girl, Helen, for facials. She does lymphatic drainage. And she's brilliant. And that's what you're pulling it all up here and around. I mean, sometimes I do it and I'll get into a really good habit of doing it with the guashire. And then sometimes I just can't be bothered to even take my makeup off at night. I know.

No, same. That's the great thing about not being able to see. Sometimes I just can't see. I'm like, oh, well, at least I can't see my face right now. Yeah, my friend said the other day, Amy, Amy was like, oh, you need to get yourself on those magnifying mirrors. And I went, no, I absolutely do not need to get myself a magnifying mirror. I do not want to see all those lines.

I really am quite happy with the blurry effect. That's absolutely fine. Yeah, much better. A nickname that my kids call me, this is going to happen all the time. These mind bubbles that are just going to pop up whenever we're talking. There's one nickname that they call me, and that is from Doctor Who, and you just referenced Doctor Who, and that's Cassandra. And do you remember the villain Cassandra?

Yes. She's stretched the skin so much. She's had so many treatments, whatever. She's so old that she's just a little bit of parchment and she needs moisturising all the time. And that is me. Just moisturise me. Moisturize me. That's hilarious. Do you know what though? It's true. I can't let that. I tell you what's happening. My legs are getting really scaly. It's awful. I'm like, how can I? Can I just, where is the fluid going? It is not in my body anymore. And yesterday I covered myself in exfolicate. I think it is, this green stuff. And this morning, my skin's so smooth and set up. But you can't do that every day. I've got time for all of this. It's so, yeah, I feel desiccated, is the word. The scaly skin is definitely something that happens later in life. When you get to the, like, later in 50s, that the skin just changes. And you're like, why did nobody tell me about this and how the hell do I deal with it?

What do I do? I think, yeah, exfoliator, moisturised within an inch of your life, that is the answer. Scrubbing. That's what we need. Yeah. I reckon we should probably, we should call it a day for now, don't you? I think we've talked enough. I think we've waffled on enough.

We've all got things to do, Joe. Remember, if you have any questions or comments, please, we'd love to hear from you. Yeah, our WhatsApp number is in the show notes, and the email is questions at digipod.com. Dock. See how much better we're getting at doing this thing. Oh, come on. It's rolling off the tongue, girl. I love it.

And genuinely, we absolutely love hearing from you. Just to see your faces, hear your voices, read your questions. It just means the world, and it's just, yeah, it's good. So bring them on, bring it on. We'll see you on Wednesday. I'm going to go and plunge my face into some ice cold water, sort my bags out. I'm going to the super sausage. Oh, I'm so jealous.

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