Dig It with Jo Whiley and Zoe Ball - Facelift or Full Beard?

Episode Date: October 22, 2025

This week on Dig It, Jo says a heartfelt goodbye to her beloved dog Brodie and hello to a beautiful new dogwood tree planted in her family pet’s memory. Zoe shares her own “ashes confusion” story, and together they swap tales of scattering gone wrong (beware the wind!). SUBSCRIBE TO OUR FREE SUBSTACK Stay up to date with Dig It — new updates every Friday straight to your inbox. 👉 https://digitpod.substack.com/subscribe GET IN TOUCH 📧 Email us: [e-mail] 📱 Text or Voice Note: 07477 038795 💬 Or tap here to send a voice note or message on WhatsApp:⁠ ⁠https://wa.me/447477038795⁠⁠ SPECIAL THANKS TO OUR SPONSORS This episode is brought to you by QVC and Stripe & Stare ✨QVC - Click below to discover QVC’s range of menopause products and support. And don’t forget to use the code QDIG10 for £10 off your first purchase (minimum spends apply, see QVC website for full terms and conditions) - https://www.qvcuk.com/content/menopause-your-way.html?cid=PR-PR-Digit&e22=Digit 🩷 Stripe & Stare — The world’s comfiest knickers, designed by women who actually understand what we want. Made from soft, breathable wood fibres that stay cool and last wash after wash — no tugging, no VPL, just comfort. A certified British B Corp doing things properly, with sizes XS–4XL and new pyjamas and layering tops too. Get 20% off your first order with code DIG20 at www.stripeandstare.com CREDITS Exec Producer: Jonathan O’Sullivan Assistant Producer: Eve Jones Technical Producers: Oliver Geraghty Video Editors: Danny Pape and Jack Whiteside Dig It is a Persephonica production

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dollars a month. Visit rbc.com forward slash your business to learn more. Hi lady love. How are you Joe? Hi, I'm good. I'm all right. Yeah, I'm good. Yeah. It's, it's been quite the week. Oh, it has. I'm really sorry to hear about Brody. Yeah, I know. It means he's not snuffling by my feet as I'm talking to, which he has since we've begun the podcast. So it's a lot more peaceful. Doesn't smell quite as bad in here. Obviously, he's left a dog-shaped hole in the house at the moment. Yeah. My goodness me. And he'd become a bit of a star because he would feature in some of our dig it Instagram stories often looking so devilishly handsome, sat loyly by your crate digging recommends each week. And so I feel that we'd all taken him

to our hearts a little bit. So he was also part of the dog garden thing that we did with Radio 2 and the RHS. And we'd found out just a week before then that he'd got this tumour in his head and we were like, oh. And the vet had offered to put him down then and we said, no, no, no, no, no, he seems okay. Let's, we'll keep him for a while longer. And he came to Chelsea and he was, he had the best time and he looked gorgeous and he behaved really well and made friends with Monty Don's, Ned. I'm so glad I took him there because I've got some amazing photographs and he had a really, really good time. So it's been very lovely to reflect on his life because he was 13. We were. We were. We all felt very sad because he died from a tumour, but actually he was also very, very old.

He was a beautiful dog. And it's weird. People watching now will know when you lose a pet. I'm quite pragmatic. I'm not overly sentimental about animals normally, but they so very much become part of your family. So I used to be that person who would go, it's only a dog, get over it, but actually it's really hard. Django, my other dog, is lost now. He's just wandering around. Without his friend. Where's my sidekick? Where's my maid gone? He looks properly depressed. And so we're giving him lots of attention and you can see in his eyes he's going why are you giving me so much attention

this is just a little bit too much and then the kids of course are all really feeling it. The house is way too quiet, way too empty we've gone from being a family of four kids and four animals to just the two animals now and it feels very, very strange. Way too tidy, way too clean, way too quiet but the last week of his life

it was really like it felt like things went full circle because we did the Radio 2 Dog Garden when we just found out he was poor, Jamie Butterworth built that garden along with Monty. And last Monday, Jamie came to our house and we planned that he would plant this tree that I'd seen months ago. And it just so happened, it was that day. And we'd made the decision the night before that we had to say goodbye to Brody. So having Jamie here planting a tree, it was a Cornus Cusa, which I later found out, someone reminded me it's a dogwood tree.

So it feels very apt. We decided to put the... I know, put the ashes of our old dogs and cats that we had. So we had this amazing dog called the Mighty Boosh that everyone knew was Boosh. And he was this massive golden retriever, looked like a polar bear, ate way too much food in his life. But God, we loved him. And we've had his ashes underneath the stairs for about eight years, nine years possibly. Also, Jin Jin, who was our beloved ginger cat that we had.

His ashes have been in Steve's office for quite a long time as well. And we were like, finally, it's time to release the ashes. So Jamie bought the tree, and I knew that I wanted to have them feeding the tree. So that is what we did. We had this little ceremony. Jamie put the tree in the ground. Brodie, bless him, helped to dig the hole because his favourite thing in the entire world was digging,

digging in the river. So he spent this whole day, his last day on earth, digging the hole that we put the tree in, that we then scattered the ashes of bouch and gin-jin underneath. Did a little ceremony. I cried. But it's really lovely. It's now nice to look out of our kitchen window or the bedroom window

and I look down the garden and I can see the tree. It's very prominent. And I know that it's got the like the OG we called them like the four, the first dogs that the kids grew up with, and they're there and they will flower, or they will help that tree to flower, and their spirit will go into that tree. And so it kind of felt full circle. And then, yeah, we said goodbye to Brodie the next day. So it's been a lot. It's been a lot. It's been a lot. But there, I, oh, darling, no, you're allowed to. It's like, he's a family member. And, you know, it's, you really do, they become so part of your life. And when

they're not there, it's really, really sad. Even if you know that that, that, that, coming. It's, it's, it is heartbreaking. It's the worst. It's shit. But yeah, you've had a really tough year with your, with your beautiful animals as well. It's sort of, yeah. There's a lot going on. There's a lot going on. But it's, what a beautiful thing though, that the ashes will go under the dogwood tree and you will look there and there'll be such a lovely memory. I'm also slightly smiling at the fact that the ashes have been, you know, of the other animals are still there because this is what happens. My lovely late mum had a bit of a hilarious situation where my brother Jamie's dad, so my mum's second

husband, he had given my mum after they'd got divorce. He was like, oh, by the way, I never gave you your mum's ashes. So my grandma, who I never met, but I'd never given you her ashes back. So he'd, some years after their divorce, had given my mum her mum's ashes back, only to discover a few months later that he'd actually given. her the dog's ashes. So my mum had scattered her mum's ashes, but they were in fact a dog. And so, you know, the mix up with the ashes, you know, which is going to happen. Because if you don't label the boxes, you know, and my mum is currently, we scattered some of her ashes quite early on in a really beautiful place she used to go on holiday that she really loved. And it was very special

to her and my late stepdad, Rick. So we took some of her ashes and scattered them there. But the rest of her ashes are currently sitting in my lounge. Mom actually said at the time, she's like, put me in a bin. I'm gone. It's like, it's like, mum, do you want to be a spot? So I'm sitting there thinking, right, where shall I put her? But it has prompted me to have a conversation about ashes with lots of my friends. My friend Elsa, she's got a, like a pantry and there's quite a few sets of ashes are in the pantry. And she's got a plan of where they're all going to go. You know, where I'm sure people have got ashes in their houses and think, well, what do I do with them? You just kind of want them close to you, don't you though? Yeah, you do. I think it's quite comforting. That's why we had

Bouch and Jinjing, because I just didn't want, I liked knowing that they were under the stairs. I like more knowing that they're under a tree. But it was just something very, very comforting about them, because you don't want to let them go. You just want them nearby. My dad and my stepmom have asked if some of their ashes can be scattered at Amfield. And I'm not sure if Amfield are allowing any scattering of ashes anymore because obviously there's a lot of people who wanted to be it. So I was like, how do you expect us to do that, Dad? Like sort of like the great escape where we pour you down our trousers and sort of shuffle alongside. I don't think you get very near the pitch. But that's such a funny image. It's like, do do do do do do. There we goes. There goes. Shaking our legs down. I love that

they want to be together though. That's a wonderful thing. Yeah, that is nice. I'm sure many of our diggers have ashes stories to share with us and ashes confusion and where to scatter ashes. I don't know. Do you let's know. But the idea of being under the tree, the dogwood tree, I think is lovely for all your pets. But that's only Bouch and Ginger. I now need another tree for Brody and Simba. It's not just an excuse to get a tree in the garden. Are you sure, Joe Wiley? I'm, I swear, I know I love my trees and I love my gardening, but it's not an excuse. But no, they're going to have their own tree, so I'll have the two trees. A friend of mine was a massive, massive Doctor Who fan. And when he passed away and they had his ashes.

And his dad built a TARDIS to put his ashes in. And he wanted to go into the ground his ashes with his dog because he loved his dog so much. But the crematorium, I think it is, wouldn't allow ashes to go in there. So they had to secretly blend the ashes together so that the dog and then my friend were blended together and then put into the TARDIS and then put into the ground. That's so great. And I love the idea that somebody would have been playing the theme off their phone.

I really hope so, yeah. Is it happened as he was lowered into the ground? I told you about when Norm scattered his late dog's ashes. He suddenly announced sort of he'd had the ashes of pickle the dog for a long, long time. And then one night, because we lived on the beach, everyone had had a few wines. And he suddenly announced, it's time, it's time we're going to scatter pickles. And we were all a bit pickled. So I was thinking, is this really the time we're all a bit drunk?

and we went down the beach and it was a very, very windy night and he did this beautiful speech about Pickle of the Dog, a dog who hated me by the way. But I did try to love her but she just didn't like me. She wasn't sure about me.

And he sort of did this really poetic speech and then opened the box and through but Pickle was in a little plastic bag so the plastic bag just fell unceremoniously onto the beach. So then he opened the bag and then as he opened the bag pickle blew over all of us,

all of us standing there like with ashes in our mouth and it was an outside. absolute disaster. And the next morning, Woody was down on the beach with me and he was only little and the sea had gone out. So it's a bit of sand because it's so pebbly down in Brighton. And he was digging and he suddenly went, Mummy, why is the sand so grey? And I realised that he was actually digging what was left of pickle at that point. But he seemed quite happy. But it can go wrong, the scattering of ashes. Oh, do share your stories with us.

Ash is confusion and where the ashes, the oldest ashes that you belong and the daftest place that you have put ashes. By the way, if you are enjoying ticket, if you are one of our diggers, make sure you hit follow on Apple or Spotify. And that way, everything is so much more simple. Every new episode just lands on your phone the minute it's out. And there will be in your lives. You then went and did something really fabulous this weekend, which I feel, was quite timely for you. But tell me about your weekend, Joe. Well, the weekend, because when you lose someone, whether it's a person or a dog or a cat or something meaningful to you, you're left

adrift, aren't you? And literally nobody wanted to be in the house. It was weird. All the kids scattered. They've gone to Cornwall, London, all over the place. And Steve and I were like, oh, we don't want to be in the house either because it's just it's too empty and quiet. So we decided to go and climb Mount Snowden, which is now known as Erefa. And we suddenly, went, you know what, we don't really feel like going and lying on a beach or sitting, eating nice food. We want to be doing something because when you've got grief going on, you want to be active, you want it, it's cathartic. So that's what we did. We climbed a mountain. We climbed Irwifa. And we had the best time. There is a photograph which will show you

the amazing views when you get to the top. I mean, it's just incredible. We could see absolutely nothing. It was just shrouded in mist and fog. Oh, no. That was nothing to be so difficult. But it did not diminish the sense of achievement and the enjoyment of what we did. on that Saturday. It was fantastic. How long does it take you to get up? And is it quite a tricky climb? Can it be quite treacherous? Okay, we did Clambaris, the route. There are lots of different routes that you can do, and this is one of the easier ones.

But it was really hard. It was tough. It was taxing enough. There were five of us in the group, so we did a tour guide. We went with Mountain Experience. We had a really great guy called Tom, who kept us entertained and distracted the whole way with lots of stories, like myths and urban legends and folklore, which was great. And he made it easy. He was like, right, so this is the first steep bit. This is the second steep bit. This is the third really steep bit.

So he kind of eased us into it. And, you know, you get out of breath. And, you know, I can tell you now, my IT band was absolutely killing me. On the way down, like going up is hard work, the hardest work. Coming down is really painful. That's what everyone says. The whole thing, we set off at 7 o'clock in the morning. So it's pitch black really early in the morning.

People wearing head torches all going up there. some of them had gone up even earlier to see the sunrise. And we got back at 3 o'clock in the afternoon. And we only had a break for about 45 minutes when we got some coffee. Because there's a cafe at the top. Best coffee I've ever had in my life. That's what would get me up the top. I think there's a cafe.

There's a cafe. Keep going. There's food. It's literally someone dangling a carrot or a donut. It was the most fulfilling and wholesome and inspiring thing that I've done because there were so many people like with kids. There were kids skipping up there. showing you all out.

A lot of people have taken their dogs. There was one guy that I met who was taking his son. Someone was called Travis. They were a family and they were being guided up the mountain. I think it was Zach, who was a massive snow patrol fan who we had a little chat with. But his child was, Travis was five years old.

Wow. And he had this kind of saddle on his shoulder. And he would put Travis on this saddle. And then he would walk up the mountain with Travis. And they'd be singing songs. And you're like, blimey, the fitness of some of these people. Did you ever? break into, I am the happy wanderer. I always sing that when I'm hiking. No, which is obviously not

very often. What's that one? I don't know that song. Fadda-dee, Fadla. I love it when you sing. Why, but whenever I walk up a hill and it will only be a tiny hill, I will always start singing the happy wanderer. Just me then. That's just me. No, we sang the shame and move any mountain. That was what I kept coming into my head. I can move, move, move, move. It was just so good for Steve and I to do something completely different. And look at that picture of you and please make you discuss the size of the bubble on disco Steve's hat, which is slightly bigger than his head, I would say. But you look joyous. Look at you, triumphant in your quest. Yeah, we were related. By the time we got to the top, we were absolutely elated. And the only other time we had smiles like that on our

was when we got to the hotel that night and we said, can we have a large Jack Daniels and Diet Coke? And I have never tasted anything so sweet in my life. We just literally like a thimble down in one. Another one please, thank you. So deserved at the end of it. And you can do it on your own. You know, we've talked about putting on your steel pants

and doing stuff on your own. There were a lot of solo people. There was a guy in our group called Peter who went up with us on his own and he had lost a lot of weight over the past couple of years. He was on a real journey of his own. and he was happy to share this with us and he just decided he wanted to do this challenge and he did, he nailed it, he absolutely nailed it.

You may be want to do it now. I did actually go to a gig on Saturday night. It was so beautiful. Tell me. Do you remember when Will Young was on and his crate digging recommend was caught and spot by Joni Mitchell and I'm a massive Joni Mitchell fan

and recently got to talk to Brandy Carlisle about when she did the Joni Jams and I'd seen that the fabulous Jessica Hoop Kate Stables, who's This Is the Kit, and Lail Arad, were doing a little tour called The Songs of Joni Mitchell, and they played in Brighton, St George's Church, which is sort of like the arc. I've seen like, I saw John Grant there, I saw Devandreban heart there. It's a really beautiful venue. It's so intimate and the sound is stunning. And these three girls, their voices individually are just perfection.

I mean, honestly, you could hear a pin drop. And then the three-part harmonies when they sang together were just exquisite. And it was all ages. You know, Joni fans are all ages. And they brought their own take on so many Joni classics. And we all sang along in places. It was wonderful. Which it sounded like a choir at one part.

I was like, actually, everybody sounds really, really good. There were some real poignant moments when she sang River. I had tears rolling down my face. And then I decided to do a bit of cooking. I'm not sure it was massively appreciated, Joe. I made a bread and butter pudding from scratch because it's the Lodger's favourite. And I thought, I'm going to make this from scratch. I get quite stressed when I cook.

And I've actually got a picture of it there. This is yours. This is mine next to the picture of Mary Berries because she's got a book out. Dame Mary Berry has a book out of her favourite best recipes. And I love her recipes because they're really easy. you know, like muggins here. We can't cook a thing. And I could do it. But if you look at my picture, it looks slightly like rabbit droppings on the top because I had quite a few raisins salt on as leftover. Yeah, I'm sure I saw some of those at the mountain the other day. Yes, you will have

seen them. It probably looks quite, but it was delicious. But I discovered this new ice cream. And I shared a picture of it because people were talking about it on the internet and it's kicked right off. It's basically spiced apple and pear calvados crumbled flavored ice cream from Waitrose, it is absolutely divine, and I can fully recommend it. And if we're talking ice cream, Dino, who is behind the podcast, a bit of a legend, he has told me today about, I think it's an Otolengi, sour cherry and pistachio-flavored ice cream that apparently you can also get in Waitrose. Wow. So I will be trying that.

Okay. You were climbing a mountain, and I was making a mountain of a bread and butter pudding and turning myself into a mountain by scoffing ice cream. Very impressive. No, that's so good. My, I hate raisins with a passion like, oh, so you'd, it would be your idea of hell. So what do you do with Christmas food then? So mince pies, Christmas pudding? Awful. Hate them. No, no. Christmas is a really difficult time for me because of the raisin count in many of the food that they serve up. My mum used to make me, on the theme of bread and butter pudding, because it's one of my favourite, favourite desserts. But she would make a section so she'd do a quarter of it and it wouldn't have any raisins in at all.

That's how much my, that's how great my mum is. She'd just do, everybody else would have the raisins and sultanas. But then I would have the corner without anything at all. Because I love textures when it comes to food. I love crispiness and then soggyness and the combination of those two together. So bread and butter pudding ticks that box massively. Time for a quick ad break. However, if you'd like to skip them, all you have to do is become a potting shed member.

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Hi, Joe. Hi, Zoe. My name's Nancy. I'm 56. I live in Liverpool, home of the greatest football and music on the planet. Obviously, I'm also really interested in style and fashion, and I've just literally consumed all of the four fashion weeks whilst wearing really grassy pyjamas. I've seen a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot of. of people around my age there, some older, a lot younger, but you know, it doesn't mean anymore that because you're over 50, you can no longer rock fashion week la Pamela Anderson.

But one thing I've noticed is there are an awful lot of women out there in the public eye. I'm not pointing at you too, I'm just saying, her fashion weeks, who might not have had a lot of what you call traditional work done, but they've all got perfections, perfectly sculpted, lower jaws. Anyway, I used to have a lovely chin. I did. It was fabulous. And I haven't got two now. But all I can say is if I had a podcast, it would be called the Gullet Girls, because that's what I've now got as well as a shocking beard problem. I've got, well, I had dark hair. The hair on my head is now 100% white. What's growing out of my chin is as dark as my hair used to be when I was 18. Who decided that? I don't know. But my focus in the world at the moment, which is a very difficult place, is on the chin. Please, could you give me your thoughts and feel? back on this area of the face and just, you know, send me some support, thoughts and prayers at this very difficult time. Thank you. Physical support, a chin strap perhaps from Nancy. Oh, Nancy, I completely

adore you. Nancy, I tell me about it, right? Tell me about it, Nancy, because I have realized if I was a man, I would grow facial hair and the facial hair would brilliantly cover these orange above my lip, which are hideous and I did smoke once but I think apparently it's just something you either get or you don't get and filming this podcast the amount of times

when we're just sort of watching clips about to just check that we're not about to cancel ourselves and I don't like watching or looking at myself can I just say but I have seen and sometimes the clips come and it's all this look at this stuff at the size

is that a jowl are they jowls that you're grabbing or these are jails right so Nancy I'm going to tell you I've tried a few things and I'm about to quit because I've tried microneedling, I've tried having stuff shoved in it, I've tried a bit of Botox, none of it seems to help.

So I think the only thing for me now, Nancy, is to grow a full beard. Because, you know, that's, honestly, look all the men, they look blooming great because they've got their facial hair, which is covering all of that. How, Nancy, how do these women have that incredible, it's that, isn't it?

It's that really tight line. because I know you can fill it, but then you look rubbery. And also, I don't think you should be putting alien stuff in. So is it the fact, do we have to have facelifts? Or do we just have to do like a really tight kind of bit of tape around the back of the neck? Or do I just always have to present the podcast like this? Yeah, looking up at the ceiling. Have you seen the pictures of Chris Jenner, like in her miraculous spatial transformation?

Oh, stop. Is this the sort of 700 million pounds? face lift. Surely it must hurt. I mean, I don't like pain very much, but surely it must hurt so much whatever she has had done. The idea of being cut open or having your skin flayed off to have grown new skin afterwards, the pain must have been unimaginable. Someone was saying that they peel your entire face off. Take all the muscle out. I mean, it's disgusting. Pull all the muscle out and then, I don't know what they do, just cut around it. Someone has a fag. They all have a little chat and then they put you all back together again but then they just tighten it really really tight

is it that some people just get a little facelift and what do they do pull it and tuck it behind your ear i don't know i genuinely don't know i genuinely don't know and it's not something i would i'm brave enough to consider i haven't got the downtime to go and get that done what if it goes wrong i know i know i'm just too scared i'm just too scared i will i've done microneedling i do various light therapies i see this amazing girl called georgina who works at on my called Grafton Spa. It's literally across the road from where I live. And she does a bespoke facial for me, which I like so, light therapy, microneedling. And I can fit it into my life. I can live across the road and it works really, really well. Profilo is pretty good. Done that. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

That's probably my favourite thing. But there is nothing else. I just wouldn't particularly know what to do, where to go. Because I always feel like once you start, when do you know how to stop? Yeah, because you do look at some people and they become. Yeah. It's like body dysmorphia. Is it. it where you, and I have seen photographs of myself back when I'd had a bit of Botox or I'd had a bit of something done and I just, I either look like Jack Nicholson or I, I just look like really pinched or weird and I found that anything I've done is, I feel like it's like a game of snakes and ladders and it's like, oh, you climb up the ladder but then you slide down a really, really long snake. So I think you're right. I think I see a really lovely facialist

called Helen. She's called the sculptor so you can find her online and she gives you a really good massage and you know I come out of there and I look 10 years younger so I try to plan if I've got to do something posh or fancy I'll try and see Helen and I was looking at my face the other day thinking oh god this is quite depressing because I sometimes find seasonally as well it could be worse yeah probably just drinking a load of water is a good idea and I'm really bad at that I think everyone has dull skin at the moment don't they for some reason like my skin just dull feels dull I think eyebrows are really really important. I don't know about you because with the same hair coloring and like this has been my biggest beef is that they've just disappearing. Disappeal. And like, you know, you pluck them when

you're younger and you get to a point and the hair just doesn't grow back. It just doesn't. And so then you're kind of painting on. Then you're like, I don't actually know where I'm painting now because there's nothing there to paint. So you get it done professionally and it lasts for about five days or so. And then it fades away and you're like, oh, I've got to start all over again now and I don't know what shape I'm going to do. But it's the thing where I always look like a thunderbird when I first get them done. Yeah. Hi everyone. Or one of the Muppets. Ernie, I think it is from the Muppets. And also, why don't people tell you when you've got a big thick hair growing out of your face? It's like, why does someone not say, oh, I just sort of say you've got a massive nostril

hair, you've got a bit of a bogey and you've got a huge big black hair right out the front of your top lip, which is, I'm definitely getting furrier. I'm definitely getting furrier. So I think I probably could fashion a Rylund style beard. if I work on it. And then that would cover my jowls. I'm going to go for a conchita versed. Conchita, yes. Nancy, thank you for making us laugh, though. I just made a fatal error, by the way, Zoe, of buying, you know, those mirrors that magnify you to like 10,000 percent or degrees or whatever it is, and I bought one of those. And it, like, it illuminates every time you walk past it, and then it, like, draws you in, and then you look

at yourself. So I might, I might not be here next week. I might, I haven't used it yet, but I might take one look at myself in this magnifying mirror, see what I really look like. And then that might be it. Might just withdraw from public. The horror. Because putting on makeup is getting more and more difficult. Like I just don't see mascara sploges and I don't see the definition of what I've done. So I was like, I've got to take ownership of this.

I need a big mirror so I can see what I'm doing and don't embarrass myself on the podcast. Let me know what it's like. It's just everything that disappears into the crevices. But if anyone can tell me what I can do about these jowls, please let me know. If it involves a facelift, I'll start saving. I'm only joking. I can't do it. I'd be too scared.

So while you were on top of a mountain, Joe, I found myself in the garden centre again. And I just, sometimes I go there to get my wood for the wood burner. And I always have a little look around and think, oh, yeah, you know, maybe I could get that. And that could fill that gap and da, da, da, da, da. Anyway, I was tempted and in a weak moment, I ended up by myself some plants for a little bit of winter colour. And it's kind of handy because Lara has been in touch with a question. And she says, I'm venturing into garden. gardening and grew beautiful dahlias this summer thanks to Andy Beach of Daily Beach.

Dahlia Beach. Yeah, she's amazing. She is fabulous. We love her. What can I try for the winter to bring some life into my flower beds until the spring? And what suggestions for planting for next year? I only have a small flower bed and a few pots. Well, Lara, I was looking at my flower beds.

And I know, Joe, you've had this with some of your pots of what to do with them in the winter. And you suggested syclymen and I went and bought myself this beautiful tub that had multiple pink cyclamen in it. And I'm going to transfer that into one of my bigger pots to go on the doorstep. But I was thinking about this sort of plants that give you a little bit of colour. And I found a really gorgeous high deranger called Bloody Marie. Bloody Marie. And it's quite a late high end ranger. And it gives those beautiful white flowers there will have very.

go this sort of like Bloody Mary kind of red. The burgundy ruby. Yeah, burgundy. So lovely, all terminal colour. And I've got some quite green grasses in the garden, but I wanted to add a little bit of more interest. So I've gone for some ferns, which I know you're a big fan of.

You've put a couple of ferns into pots. And I've got them in the shadier area. And then also, Lara, I might suggest some lovely hellebores. Oh, lovely. Because they are gorgeous. And this particular one I bought is strawberry moon because it has these lovely sort of pinky red flowers. And these are some of the plants that might give you a little bit of colour and a bit of texture through some of the winter months. And you can pop these into pots or you can put them into the ground.

I'm the same as you. I bought a load of flame coloured plants, which I spoke about, I think a month ago now, still not in the pot. They're still by the side. I just have another time to get them in yet. I know, I know. But Hellebores are so beautiful. And I always veer towards the black ones because you can get some that are just black and they're beautiful, absolutely stunning. However, what I've learned is you put those in the border and they just disappear.

Like you just can't see them. They don't draw your eyes. So I think they are much better to have really close to your front door. So by, you know, in a pot somewhere so that you can actually look at it and see it. And also I like wandering around the garden centre and sometimes just seeing the look of things and thinking, oh, I quite like that. And also buy quite a few because with your cyclone, because they're very tiny those plants. And I've done this in the past. I've bought maybe five or six or seven.

And then you put them in the ground or you put them in a pot. And they look nothing. They just disappear. You're like, oh, God, that's so underwhelming. So go big. If you can cram as much in as you possibly can, then you'll get the effect. And you'll love what you see, what you've planted. Okay, crate digging time.

Did you catch any of the mercurates? Did you manage to follow that? I didn't see it happen, but I loved everybody who was nominated. I have to say, great to see, you know, Seema and Emmett and Emmett and Thackeray and Hulp. It was such a brand of Fontaine's, such an amazing mix of musicians and talent. And go Sam Fender. He looked genuinely shocked and totally made up to win this award. And they, I think it was the first time they'd hosted it out of London and they were in Newcastle, which maybe was a clue. But he's such a gorgeous boy for Sam, isn't he? I mean, you probably know him. Super talented, super talented. I think it was two or three years ago. We, we.

had him in session. It was that beginning of the year. It was the first session of the year and it was people that we were tipping to be big in the future. And, you know, thankfully, we happened upon Sam and he came and played for us and he did a Bruce Springsteen cover. And it was incredible. People watching is the name of the album. He's great. He's so good. So we're crate digging. What have you got behind you? I've actually got books. Oh. You did books last week. So I've gone for books this this week because I haven't been at work and I'm kind of a little bit out of the loop when it comes to music. Olivia Dean's album, by the way, we haven't mentioned that. And that is a very good album. But I've got this book is called Faded Glamour in the City, and it's Pearl Lowe, has written this book and collated the book, and it's just lots of incredibly gorgeous photographs of beautiful homes. And as I'm in the middle of doing my kitchen at the moment, it's been very, very inspiring. And I follow Pearl on Instagram and everything she ever posts. I'm just like, oh, I would love to live in a house like that. It's not practical. It won't be happening anytime soon. But she has got such an eye for gorgeous trinkets and curtains and colors.

and all those accessories. She's very, very inspiring, I think. So this is a lovely book. I mean, it looks good on the, you know, a coffee table. It's one of those books. But also, there's a lot to take away from it as well in terms of tiles and colour design. So that's a good book. And then there's another one, which is Sean Usher does Letters of Note and Letters Live. And it started off with him publishing a book. And it's lots of people's letters that they've written throughout history. We've mentioned before on the podcast. Letters Live goes to Wilderness. And it was at Glastonbury this year. He gets celebrities like Benedict Cumberbatch. He's been a big supporter, Tom York, Olivia Coleman.

So many great people read these phenomenal letters from historical characters, but also ordinary people. His new book is called Diaries of Notes. He's managed to get some little snippets from People's Diaries, and it's all published in this book. And I love reading about these things, 366 Lives, one day at a time. That is a really good book to have. I like books like that in the downstairs loo. Because if you've got to sit in there for a few minutes, it's quite nice to have something that you can dip in and out of. And these books are perfect for it.

I'll just read you. Right. Okay. I mean, it ranges from Eric Morecam to Queen Victoria to Adam Kay. There's a dinner party. On the 3rd of August 2004, after six years of medical training, 24-year-old Adam Kay finally set foot in the hospital where he was to begin his career as a junior doctor for the UK's National Health Service. And this is his diary entry for the 12th of February. prescribing a morning after pill in A&E.

The patient says, I slept with three guys last night. Will one pill be enough? It's a good question. What about you, crate digging? You're doing music. All right. I'm going to go in the record section this week,

and we're going to pull out. I think this is in my top ten favorite albums of all time for me. Is it Brotherhood of Man? Stone Roses. Oh, Stone Roses. You know there's always time for Brotherhood of Man, Joe. But this is Sten Roses, Stam Roses. I love these guys.

I think discovering this band was sort of when my life really began in, you know, my early 20s, girl living in Manchester, completely oblivious of what was going on around me because I was just working in kids' telly. And then my lovely friend who was my hairdresser Will saying, What do you mean you've never heard of the Hacienda? And suddenly I started to discover Manchester and the music was being made around there. And I never got to see them back in the day, but I got to see them. see them a couple of times with all my mates. And I think seeing them at the old man city ground with all my lovely friends from Manchester and we walked back into the city centre in the rain

afterwards, everybody's still singing and it was just one of the best nights of my life. And I love them. And that's what, if ever I'm having a down day, I will thwack that on and have a little dance around. So yeah, that's the favourite from me. There we go. Can I just say, because we just mention Pearl Lowe and her faded glamour and the interiors thing, an update on my kitchen. So Peter, the painter, has turned up and he's actually, I just said to him, can you just paint the ceilings? Because I haven't actually decided on the colour of the cupboards yet. And he was like, yep, that's fine. Obviously, he's a very patient man, thank God. So I still have not decided. No, lots of people have been giving me amazing advice. So at the moment, clay, pale clay is one of

the options. There is also a pale pink, which is an option, and there is a pale blue. Oh, I like sound of a pale pink kitchen. I think that sounds lovely. I've really gone pinkies recently. Oh, well, I'll be watching. Can you put stuff up on Instagram so we can all have an opinion? Yeah, I will do. I will do. And by the way, if you want to find all of our song selections, record selections, book selections, makeup, interior selections, whatever, whatever we're wearing, it's all part of our weekly substack newsletter, which will be in your inbox every single Friday. That's what we got time for today, sadly, but we're back again on Monday to dig in. And here, what you've been saying, diggers. If you have any questions, any tips or general thoughts on some of the

things we've been discussing or things you want to talk to us about, do contact us. Our WhatsApp and our email address are in the show notes. And if you're loving the podcast, please leave us five stars on Apple or Spotify with a little tiny review as well because it just helps other people to find the show. Have a great week, darling. Thank you very much indeed. We'll do. It'll be all about interiors and possibly kittens. I'll update you next week. I know. That cliffhanger. Yes.

There's a void. There's a void that needs to be filled. That's all I'm saying. Kittens? Yes. Oh gosh. Have a great week, darling. Good luck with the interiors.

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