Dig It with Jo Whiley and Zoe Ball - Will Young: ‘Simon Hated Me But Pop Idol Gave Me a career’

Episode Date: October 5, 2026

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Coming up on Dig It, Will Young is with us and he's talking 25 years since Pop Idol. The Power of Gardening, dealing with criticism and his incredible premonition. I always had a belief that I was going to win it. Did you? Yeah, yeah, I had a premonition that if there was a show for one singer, I was going to win it. I'm openly gay, posh, I'm not very cool, I'm a politics student. Who's going to sign me? What are your memories then of doing Pop Idol?

I think of you arguing with Simon Cowell when I think. about it, taking him on. I mean, what was that relationship like? Well, I mean, non-existent. All of that, right after this. Will, hello, welcome back. Almost a year to the day since you were our very first guest on Diggett. I'm so sorry that drilling has started. Listen, it's a miracle we're talking to you. To be honest with you, it's a miracle. We've had so many obstacles today. God, someone and plugged all my equipment, so we had no batteries at all, so it's taken us a long time to get connected. I'm in an Airbnb in Leicester Square. Makes me laugh because you're actually just around the corner from me.

So you could have just come round. You could have come and sat here. We've got Joe over. But we're on and we can see you. And can I just say you're wearing a lot? I know that people might be listening to this, but we were discussing on the pod last week, glasses and embracing a new era when you have to suddenly start wearing glasses. The pair you're wearing are very lovely.

Can we just ask where they're from? Well, they are from the only place I get my glasses from, which is I can't remember. the name of it now, but it's in Newcastle in this rather fancy arcade. And so whenever I go on tour, I go to this shop by a new pair of glasses. And I've actually gave them all tickets a few tours ago to come to the show. Yeah, so it's the only place I get my glasses. Do you feel different wearing glasses? How did you acclimatized wearing them? Quite liked it, actually. I sort of felt more like refined and sort of, I feel more intelligent when I wear glasses. Do you know what I mean? In your head, in your head. In my head, yeah, yeah. The stuff that's coming out of the mouth is the same

that it's been for 47 years. Are you 47 years young? I know, you are such a baby still. But you mentioned touring there. You've got some really fabulous news, haven't you? Yeah, I'm going on an anniversary tour. It's amazing because there's something about an anniversary that gets people and gets me really nostalgic. It really makes you think back to the time, really makes me think back to Pop Idol and because I've been talking about it a bit. And I love it. I love remembering Pop Idol. It was just so, it was so much fun. It really was so much fun. I think we were quite naive because no one knew what was happening. Like, I mean, I almost, I was still doing waiting jobs while I was on the TV.

I remember. I remember I did a waiting job on New Year's Eve at someone called Fran Cutler's house. Fran Cutler? Oh, yes. Yeah, I got PR. Yeah. But I was still working because I was like, I don't know what's going to happen to this show. And someone had booked me for a New Year's Eve, you know, waiting job for like 200

quid. I was like, yeah, I'm going to do that. But I had already been on live TV for four weeks. So everyone in the thing were like, oh, we've got a pop idol being our waiter for the evening. I was like, happy new year. What are your memories then of doing pop idol? What are the standout moments? I mean, I think of you arguing with Simon Cowell when I think about it, taking him on.

I mean, what was that relationship like? Well, I mean, non-existent. I mean, he just sort of hated me. I don't think he ever got over it. But it was fine. But I didn't know it was going to be like probably one of the most defining moments. of my life. I mean, it probably gave me a career because everyone was like, who's this kid? They only put me in because they didn't have enough boys up to that point.

Yeah. Really? Yeah. So it was just a game changer. What were the auditions like for you to actually get in there? Can you remember that? I don't think I've been asked about that. They were scary. They were scary and you had to go through three producers before you even saw the judges. And then you walked into the judges and that was this big room. And then I saw Simon Cowell and I'd done a competition before that he was on as a judge. And I was like, oh, God, it's that guy again. You know when it's something so scary, you almost leave your body.

You know what I mean? Yes. And then there was so much waiting around that it sort of got to a point where you were just bored. I was like, my God, I'm so bored at this. So they whittled us down from like, well, what was it, 10,000 down to then 100? And then we had two days in the criteria, and I kept on thinking I was going to be cut the whole time. I was always in the maybe room. That's a good autobiography title.

Don't put baby in the maybe. But I always had belief that I was going to win it. Did you? Yeah, yeah, I had a premonition that if there was a show for one singer, I was going to win it. And then I posted the form. There was no email or anything. And I said to my friend who was doing drama at university, who ended up being still a great actor and lives in L.A. now.

And I said, I'm going to win it. Because also I was like, I'm openly gay. I'm posh. I'm not very cool. I'm a politics student. And I don't really play an instrument very well. And I'd worked at Sony Publishing. So I was like, who's going to sign me?

No one's going to sign me. So I thought, I have to win a talent. I thought if I can just get my voice to the public, I think I can win it. Yeah. And I really thought, I just need to get past these annoying judges. At that time, Pop, in the pop world, it was very manufactured. It was very, you know, people didn't sing live. You know, it was very much a type.

And I thought, I don't know how that's going to work. We voted for you. We voted. We were on a ski holiday. There was a huge gang of us. there were about 12 of us on a ski holiday and we sat around the telly and we're like, are our votes going to work from being abroad and da-da-da-da-da-da. And we voted like mad and we sat and we waited and then we partied really hard for you when you.

You watched the vinyl. Yeah, everybody watched the final. I remember watching it. Yeah. That amazing battle as well between you and Gareth, wasn't it? That like who's going to win out of the boys? Because there was a back. clash to it as well, which I understand because it was so, you know, that I found that hard

because I'd see people that who I don't need to name, you know, but idols of mine. And they would be like very anti the show. And I can understand why because it was like, well, you've just gone in 20 weeks. You know, you haven't done the hard work. You haven't been in a van. You haven't, you know, grafted. And I understood, but that was hard. Did you feel that in the industry though, like looking at the show?

But did you think, well, come on, this isn't, you know, it's a good telly, but it. No, because I think it's quite gruelling what you did. I think what you went through. I think that's your own kind of graft, isn't it? And you really had to put yourself out there and be scrutinized. And so I think you kind of earned your dues that way. So, I mean, you know, I wasn't particularly into pop music at that time. I was all about grunge and rock and all that sort of stuff.

But I could appreciate a good voice. And I remember thinking, I think I was as presumed that Gareth was going to win. And then when you won, I was like, oh, this is great. Because I liked you. I really like, I mean, I know you. know you now. I didn't know you then, but you were very likable and you had the most beautiful voice. What they were really good at at the management actually, because this was management, 90 management, Simon Fullough, who did the Spice Girls, S Club 7. It was very like packaged. But what

Fuller did with me, I was thinking about this other day, there was a big Pepsi deal and a well-a-haired deal. It must have been a shitload of money, by the way. And he said, you're not going to get that. He said, because it's not right for you. So Gareth got it. it. And I said, I thought, that's really good management. And he started putting me with video directors like Bailey Walsh, who had done like massive attack and St. Etiard in excess. And then he put me with Steve Lipson, who'd done Annie Lennox, came from the Art of Noise, Grace Jones, went to Houston, you know, and he was like, you're not, you're not going to do that. Yeah, because I think that shifted my perception of you as well, because there was a certain

quality that set you apart from the usual path that people took. Yeah, it was very different. And then you came into the live lounge, didn't you? And you did. Was it Hayyah that you did? Oh, I've just got shivers when you mentioned that. I just got shivers all up my arm. Because it was really, it was really cool. It was a moment. It was a real moment.

Oh my God, it was a real moment. But that song choice also was like, okay, this is, yeah, this is a good choice. You know that, I've still got shivers. That live lounge for someone that wanted to be a musician, listening to that when I was at uni dreaming of wanting to be a singer was like a beacon. So then to be able to do it because at that time, you know, I know you guys remember, but good for the audience to remind them. There was so many amazing things.

MTV Unplugged came out. Yeah. So you had the Eric Clapton album. You had the Maxwell album, whether you like, I put the Mariah Carey unplugged. Amazing. You know, so there was a big, there was a big drive at that stage towards these amazing unplugged. performances and for singers, you could have the space to do it. So if you didn't have those kind of things, it wouldn't, I wouldn't have been able to showcase what I can do live,

because you can't do that on a record. You have to do it live. And as a singer, when you have acoustic space and you've got, you know, people like you that could provide that. It's just like a dream because you can really fly. Yeah, no, it's a really good platform. It was, it was so lovely. It was such a nice moment. Can I do? The one thing I want to I wanted to ask was you've changed the lyrics to is it Evergreen where you're singing about a boy now as opposed to singing about a girl. And I interviewed Sam Smith last week. And they were talking about how important it's been to have this album Hazelais as a love album for their partner. And they were saying that when they were growing up, that there was just, there was no representation.

There was no queer representation of boys singing about boys, singing love songs. And so you were having to sing love songs to a girl, which is ludicrous now. It's so bonkers, isn't it? Because it was a Westlife song. Now, when they gave it to me, even though they knew I was gay and publicly come out, and it's so stupid, you can still say that now. Yeah. But I did, isn't that funny?

I did continue to say, I didn't really even think about it. But I've been singing it boy for quite a few years. It was so ingrained in muscle memory that even still sometimes I forget. But I have to tell the audience, I'm always like, And this is the part we go boy, not girl, because it was a West Life song. But it does say something about the time. And even, actually, it's interesting, Sam Smith saying that about representation, because even when Leave Right now came out and video directors were pitching,

so I'd been openly gay for like two years, people were pitching me and a girl on a beach. They were like, this will on a horse with a girl. And I was like, I mean, it. Are we missing something? Why would I do that? I think they were just so used to like, well, people just don't talk about it, even if everyone knows. It's so strange to say it because you kind of think in sort of, you know, if you sort of go back, I always think that mad about the boy song. Because I always think that that song was written by a man about a boy.

I mean, I might be wrong if I sort of looked back or maybe it was written for a female singer to sing about a boy. But for some reason to me that, I don't know whether it was because of people I've heard. heard sing it. But you think you think you've come on leaps and bounds. This is only 25 years ago. And still only 25 years ago, this was still happening. So if you think 25 years later, to be able to change the lyrics and be able to, you know, it's like thank goodness that is, like you say, with Sam Smith talking about it last week, thank goodness people are able to tell their own story now. And also I think there are people like Sam, you know, they've done a lot. All of us, stand on the shoulders of other people.

You know, I always have to mention Jimmy Somerville, always have to mention Appel, Pet Shop Boys. I mean, I think particularly someone like Jimmy Somerville, what they were doing was extraordinary and so brave. You know, it was like they took it on. And I don't think he gets mentioned enough, actually. But all of us stand on the shoulders of people before. But I do think Sam Smith, you know,

they've been amazing at what they've done over the last 10 years of bringing it on again. and challenging people, you know, and that's really, I think they've been very brave. Yeah, so I really applaud Sam. Can I just mention very quickly the Troy Savan video for party? Oh my goodness me. I saw that last week, or was it two weeks ago and just rejoiced that someone was making art in a video that was so, I mean, so much money's going to say it. It's brilliant.

I was wondering it. I was thinking, has Troy actually? funded that because I know there's not a lot of money in the music industry. It was like, this has costed a mint, but goodness me, it's so brilliant. And you could see it's spreading. Everyone's saying, have you seen Troyes of Vans video? I thought it was joyous, glorious and just, oh, so fun. But you know, there was a time, hand up at the back that they thought of canceling videos.

I remember before I had an album, my favourite album actually, that I did with Richard X. called Echoes and had a song called Jealousy. It was like a such a... Oh, I love that. It was just such a turning point for me. Yeah. And Richard had done a guy from Beataband's album. And I was like, my God, Richard Hess.

Steve Mason. Yeah, Steve. He's in Brighton, is he? Yeah, he's in Brighton. Yeah, he's in Brighton. And I was like, Richard Hex has done this. And so I said, you've got to do my record. But they said the record company, I don't think we'll do videos.

I was like, what? It was just before, it was MTV and things like that were going down. YouTube hadn't quite gone up yet. But I think videos will always be such a fulcrum for artists. It's such a standing point you think back to people like Annie Lennox, the videos they did with Sophie Muller, you know. And that excitement when a video comes out. Yeah, when it's an appointment of view. It is, isn't it?

And being at a party and seeing China Girl, David Bowie, when he did China Girl. And the whole party stopped. And we just all gathered around the TV because we knew there was this premiere that was happening on Channel 4. Yes. Channel 4. It was so exciting. Who is your telephone? Yeah, they'd actually schedule them in and you would all watch.

God. Hey, we should talk about your garden. Where are we at? The garden. The garden. Will Young Garden Chronicles? Okay, well, Will Young Garden Chronicles? Very exciting.

So I've done a huge clear from the top of the house down through the woods. And I say woods. It's like four trees. And I call it the woods. And we're creating these kind of terraces. So the garden that I did at RHS Whizley with Jamie, form plants. Jamie Bustewa. Yeah, Jamie Bustewa.

I'm really pleased because I'm going to get a lot of those plants. So they're coming. You get to give them a home. So jealous. I know. I know you'd be jealous. They're coming next week. So I said to Matthew, because I was like, I've got busy week. And I was like, those plants are going to come.

We put them in the bed. So we've been clearing the bed. And then I need to learn how to do a return. wall, I fear it might be beyond me. It's a huge thing that you've taken on, but does it occupy a lot of your time? Especially if you're going off on tour, you're not going to be able to do that. Yeah. It's like a meditation now, and now I'm feeling better than the last time I spoke to.

I mean, it's still, my nervous system is still a bit dodgy, but I'm definitely stronger and handling it better and it's not, you know, it's just a faulty mechanism. And I'm managing to be like, this is just a faulty mechanism. I'm enjoying the garden even more. So, yeah, it's just being the most. wonderful thing. But also it's really creative. You know, I don't know if you guys find it, but it is creative because you're designing. Oh, yeah. You know, you're bringing colour, you're changing and so it fulfills my creative

side as much as it does just getting into nature and I mean, I've never had so many injuries in my life because I said to my dad, did I tell you to, I don't think I would talk, did I get a message from my parents live in France? You know they're great gardeners. I get a message from my mum, two in the morning. God, your father's falling into the television. And I was like, I was like, what? What are they doing? And then the next message. And he won't stop eating fruit. And then I was like, oh, well, okay, well, fruit's not bad.

I mean, you know, it could be other things. It's worse. You wouldn't have it. It's a lot of sugar. And then I was like, sorry, can we just circle back to the television? calling into the television. Bless it. Anyway, I said to my dad, I keep getting injuries and he said, that's all the digging. Can I just ask? Well, no, I spoke to Sam.

Again, they were saying how they have terrible, terrible nerves, because you were just saying that you're, you know, you're managing things now. And they have to do a mantra over and over again every day to get through the day and to get on stage. But that they literally find it almost torture every time they walk out on stage. Do you, can you identify with that? Or is that, do you love walking? on stage, do you get a real thrill from it? When my sort of nervous system for some reason, I think it was linked to taking medication. It's an interesting conversation, actually.

Often people have it linked to surgeries, dental work, or mine was medication and it just triggered the nervous system. It was like, what's going on? And it's just been stuck on fly ever since, which is lovely. But before that, I never really had nerves for stage. No. don't actually, it'll be more linked if I'm just having, feeling it anyway, but the thing... So interesting. Yeah, but the things that were scary and I'd be really interested to

other singers were the one-off events. So like, Jubilee, Olympic, like final of American Idol, and I'm dropping them all. But, you know, like, if I, or, you know, those one-off events are terrifying. Well, I guess you've got less control, haven't you? It's not your stage. You're sharing. it with lots of other people. You've got limited time to get on, to get off, rehearsal time. And you don't want to fuck it up. And you don't want to fuck it up because you don't have a routine of getting into a tour, you know, or it's just a one-off. And also, you're on a bill. So, you know, if you've got, I remember one seeing one of those things and it was Grace Jones before Kylie. And Grace Jones came on. I mean, you know, she hula hooped and sang. She had a little

up to the bumper and I remember saying to my friend, I wouldn't want to be kindly at coming on after Grace James because you're like, how am I going to top that? A feather bow is not going to not going to top that. She's just hula hooped on a platform. Have you ever had a disaster? Yes, with James Brown. I just remember. Just remember. Yeah, I sang with James Brown. God, rather of soul. And I'd had to meet him the night before and I stole one of his hair curlers. And then and then it was an Olympic torch. They used to a lot more of these things. That was an Olympic torch ceremony.

I guess there was a lot more money. And I sung with him and my mic didn't work. There were two things. First of all, he came in at the wrong place. So when I came in at the verse, it was the bridge. And I was like, oh, this is drunk. But his band were like, unbelievable. And then my mic didn't work and he didn't miss a beat.

He just came over, handed me his mic. He was. Listen. Yeah. he was so professional. So that was a bit of a disaster. But you do always get through. You seem to always get through it.

It's very often that it goes so wrong that you're like, oh, God, I don't know what to do. So how will the tour be? Are you looking forward to it? And you're going, how many dates are you doing, Will? You're going all around the country. Yeah, at the moment at 16, we might add some more and around the country. But I think what's so lovely is,

And I don't know if you guys feel this as you get older, you just don't worry so much about stuff that you used to worry about. I just already know that it will be the most enjoyable tour I've ever done. Because I won't have, because we create prisons for ourselves, don't we? Because we create prisons because we all come with a narrative that we have, like maybe people don't like me or I'm not good enough or I'm going to be left. We all have these prisons. As you get older, you sort of look at you sort of look at,

lose that because I won't be having, you know, what I had when I was 22, terrified that I missed a note and be like, oh God, I'm going to be dropped because I missed a note, you know, you don't care about that age 47. You're like, who guess? No, having seen you, you're the most enjoyable person to watch life because you are, you talk to the audience, you have such a lovely relationship with the audience. You have so much fun and then you sing and that voice is just, it's very special. They're going to be wonderful. Can we come? Of course you can. Can we can.

No, you can't. That's very. sweetly you'd say. It's funny, as you were mentioning each of the tracks when you were talking about making the videos, it's amazing, like you were talking about the tingly feeling, when you say your song titles, you do. This is the nostalgia of when those songs came out and what they mean, I just know what they mean to me, all the parts of my life and Joe as well. So that's, that's that beautiful thing. And you're in a room of people who each have those little moments. And that's a really beautiful thing with music. And I'm really lucky.

And I think I didn't, I think what happened is because I didn't feel like I was cool and I let, because I was fixated on that, I wouldn't let myself enjoy myself. And I let the criticism in basically. And of course, we all do, you know, and it hits insecurity. So I stopped being able to see how brilliant the songs were. They weren't always, let's say, because I was such a soul person, you know, and I entered pop, You know, they weren't always, I maybe felt a bit constricted, because probably as a singer would like to be just sort of riffing for 10 minutes would be my dream,

you know, preferably with a double bass. Do you know what I mean? Because that's probably what I would love to do. Playing to an empty room. Definitely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. As long as there's reverb, I don't mind. But I think I stopped.

I discredited how good, like a song like All Time Love. It's just a beautiful song. And at the time when I did it, I used to think, I'd be like, well, I know, of course it's awful. It's awful, isn't it? No, they're right, they're right. And that's what's so nice about being older. I'm like, that is an amazing pop song.

Ballad. It's beautiful. It's simple. And people love it. And it means so much to people. And I think that's, I'm so pleased that I got through that and can look at those songs. They go, no, they're brilliant. They're brilliant.

They're brilliant. I believe right now is a brilliant pop song. Jealousy is a brilliant pop song, you know, and it's lovely to be able to say that. To feel unshackled. Yeah, unshackled. You know, isn't it lovely when people come up and you, go, this song did this for me. You're like, oh, that's so cool. But talking about sharing, I mean, that's why I think, you know, people love what you guys share.

You know, your honesty and your sharing since you've been doing, I love seeing it. Oh, thank you, yes. Can I just say if anyone who is listening knows anything about retaining walls, if you've got any tips for Will or if you're in the area where Will, Liz, do offer us your services and perhaps you could go around and teach Will how to deal with the retaining warmth. Do it for free. Do it for free. Do it for love. Passing it, passing it on. I think there are volunteers to help the elderly with their gardens, Will, so in time, they'll be, they'll be there, there'll be a squad to help you. That's what I'm counting on. Okay, Will, we've got a

little game for you that is called Evergreen or Leave Right Now. So we want to know your reaction to these. This is making me laugh because the team have put these together. Glasses chains. Evergreen or leave right now? Leave right now. You would never be seen dead in a pair of glasses chains for your glasses. Do not get chains for your glasses. Yeah. So it's been a thing. Yeah. So Will agrees. Phones are gigs. How do you feel about phones at gigs? It has to be leave right now, sorry. We could do a whole chat about that, but yeah. Tweakments.

I mean, I tried Botox once on the edge of my and I didn't like it. I felt I looked really odd. So I'm going to say leave right now. Leave right now. I like it. Yeah, if you put it there, then all of this has nowhere to go. I look like a squirrel. That's what I found.

Yeah, I was like, oh, twitchy. Will, another one, Evergreen or Leave Right now. Daytime raves. Would you go raving? Do you prefer an earlier gig or a later gig? Oh, no, later, I think. Yeah, yeah, later. I wouldn't go to like five o'clock gig.

No, okay. But festivals, different, obviously. Garden Gnomes. I'm going to say Evergreen, because I'm not going to, can I swear? Yes. I'm not going to shit on garden gnomes. Because I think a lot of people get a lot of, that's a good quote, because people get a lot of pleasure out of them.

Oh, my garden gnome. They do. They do. Not for me. But I'm not going to share it on people that want them. And the final one, AI. Where do you stand on AI? I'm afraid it's a no.

I leave right now. I don't use it at all. And I think it's probably going to end up destroying the world. Oh God. No, let's not end on that. I think we'll be fine. We're going to, everything has to react. We'll bounce back.

We'll all react into it. Yeah, let's not go into it. It will all be fine. Thank you so much for coming to see us again. Can we make an appointment for this? you come to come back on in a year's time, by the way. Yes, I would like to come every year. So just remind us when the tour kicks off and how people get tickets, all that kind of stuff. Tickets are on sale. And when does it kick off? February the 20th in Manchester. I think it goes

through currently to sometime in March. And will he be in training to get match fit? Do you have to, I just wonder, the physicality of being on stage now, is it worrying it? Okay, so this is actually a thing. I'm just going to say it. I noticed a couple years ago when I would, you know, mince around on stage and then when I get back up, I'm not springing back up. There's a hand on the knee. Do you know what I mean?

There's that hand on the right knee to then get the next leg up to get up. And I was like, oh, I haven't been doing that before. So age, you do notice it. I'm sorry to say. So I think maybe I do need to get a bit a bit fitter. I mean, gone of the days when I used to do the big dance routines, with all the dancers. My God, I couldn't imagine that. Now, it'd have to be very minimal.

Just some foscy clicks and that's it. Just a few, just a few foscy clicks and a head turn. We'll be disappointed if there isn't a lot of dancing. Oh, there'll be a shoulder. There'll be a little, give them the old rest. That's going to do your rotator cuffing.

You're not going to be able to do that by the end of the tour. So lovely to see you. Oh, it's lovely to see you guys. And, well, I'll see you on the tour. I love you both. Yeah. Love you, darling. All right then.

Bye, lots of love. Take care. Bye. Lots of love with that wall. Oh, it's not going to happen, is it? Digit is a Persephone production.