Diggnation (rebooted) - A First Look at Digg iOS | E016 | Diggnation

Episode Date: June 25, 2025

In this episode, the Digg CEO drops by to give a private demo of the iOS app that may or may not change your scrolling habits forever. We also dive into reports that Apple’s been sniffing around Perplexity in a possible bid to stay in the AI race it forgot to enter. Kevin opens up about launching his new podcast *Less Than One*, sobriety milestones, and post-fire clarity. Alex reveals the kitchen remodel purgatory he’s barely survived. Plus: autofocus glasses that might kill bifocals, a whole tangent on local LLMs, and a brief appearance from Jeffrey Dahmer’s hypothetical smart speaker voice. It’s a lot. It’s Diggnation.Polycade Marquee – Want to see your custom Polycade marquee featured on the show? Submit a still image or short video (MP4, 1920x360 resolution, 30fps). Submission details and upload info are available at the bottom of the show notes.Public Diggnation Assets: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1k7ZxENxqQl0TLqGwusbsRPS3wkY5PFk0?usp=drive_linkSponsors:NordVPN – Secure your internet and hide your IP. Get an exclusive discount on a 2-year plan plus 4 bonus months free, risk-free with a 30-day money-back guarantee.  https://NordVPN.com/diggLMNT – Zero-sugar electrolyte mix for healthy hydration. Get a free 8-count Sample Pack with any purchase.  https://drinklmnt.com/diggDeleteMe – Privacy protection that removes your personal info from hundreds of data brokers. Get 20% off with code DIGG at checkout.  https://joindeleteme.com/DIGGWix – Build your own website fast with AI tools or over 2,000 customizable templates.  https://bit.ly/4kHb2rd00:00 - Episode Introduction & Welcome  00:53 - Kevin’s Sobriety Journey  03:33 - New Podcast “Less Than One” & Minimalism Deep Dive  07:27 - Kitchen Remodel Woes & Swedish Death Cleaning  09:16 - Unify Gear Talk & Justin's Summer of Skin  10:59 - Listener Shoutouts18:08 - Apple Reportedly Eyes Perplexity AI Acquisition  25:31 - Offline LLMs, Elevenlabs, and DIY Voice Assistants  30:31 - Autofocus Glasses That Might Kill Bifocals  43:16 - Tesla FSD in Austin vs. Waymo in the Real World  58:25 - Nvidia Invests in TerraPower: Nuclear Energy Gets a Boost  1:04:02 - Molten Salt & Kinetic Energy Storage: Nerding Out  1:06:09 - Digg iOS Alpha App Demo + What “Gems” Are  1:17:36 - Digg Alpha Tour: TLDRs, AI Summaries & Scroll-Worthy Features  1:24:50 - Final Thoughts, Wrap-Up & Shirt TalkPeople Mentioned:Alex Albrecht – Co-host of Diggnation  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_AlbrechtKevin Rose – Co-host of Diggnation, host of *Less Than One* podcast  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_RoseJustin Mezzell – CEO of Digg, led the private iOS alpha demo  https://www.linkedin.com/in/justin-mezzell/Mauricio Balvanera – Diggnation producer and Digg Director of Video and Audio Experiences  https://www.linkedin.com/in/maubrowncow/Jason Fried – Co-founder of 37signals/Basecamp, first guest on *Less Than One*  https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-fried/Jason DeFillippo – Podcast producer/editor (Grumpy Old Geeks, Art of Charm)  https://www.linkedin.com/in/jpdefillippo/Sam Altman – CEO of OpenAI  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_AltmanElon Musk – CEO of Tesla, discussed in Tesla FSD segment  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_MuskBill Gates – Chairman of TerraPower, mentioned for nuclear energy investments  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_GatesArnold Schwarzenegger – Cited as a humorous AI voice example  https://www.linkedin.com/in/arnoldschwarzenegger/Products & Technologies Mentioned:Less Than One Podcast – Kevin Rose’s new audio-only show  https://lessthanone.showPolycade Arcade Machine – modern plug-and-play arcade cabinet  https://polycade.comUnify Products – in-wall speakers and amps used as Sonos alternative  https://store.ui.com Autodesk Fusion 360 – CAD software used for 3D printing custom components  https://www.autodesk.com/products/fusion-360/Perplexity AI – AI-powered search engine and research tool  https://perplexity.aiAmazon Alexa – voice assistant used for smart home control  https://www.amazon.com/alexaApple Intelligence & Siri – discussed in context of underwhelming AI rollout  https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2024/06/introducing-apple-intelligence/OpenAI – referenced in AI competition and hiring  https://openai.comClaude by Anthropic – AI chatbot alternative to GPT models  https://claude.aiEleven Labs – AI voice cloning from short audio clips  https://elevenlabs.ioWaymo – Alphabet’s self-driving car division  https://waymo.comBMW i4 – electric vehicle mentioned during troubleshooting segment  https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/all-electric/i4.htmlGoogle Gemini – AI-enhanced search used for tech help  https://gemini.google.comTerraPower – nuclear energy company backed by Bill Gates  https://www.terrapower.comNew Scale Power – developer of small modular nuclear reactors  https://nuscalepower.com

On this episode of Dignation, we talk about the massive potential acquisition that Apple has to make to stay relevant in AI. Yeah, Justin, Dick's CEO comes and shows you the iOS Apple. I'm just pointing because he's here, but he's here later. And we also cover things that make us sweat. Welcome to Dignation. Also potentially hazardous to your health. Alright, moving on. Why do you have flies in your freaking house?

I noticed this earlier. It's Southern California and I have fruit. You put zombie and you put ear in the title and I don't want to do it. Dignation.com Hello everybody and welcome to Dignation, episode number 16. I'm Alex Albrecht. And I'm Kevin Rose. Dignation covers some of the weekly hottest user-submitted

stories on the dig alpha site. Well, some of them. And then other places. And other places. Other places. Well, it's a schmord report. It's not full dig yet. Yes.

But there's sprinkles of dig activity that is surfacing to the front page that we are collecting and bringing into The stories, but I will say it is great to be here and it's great to be sober. Yes, so 61 days 61 days. So how is it? Does it feel? first 30 days tough as hell and first day 45 tough 50 tough 55 57 58, 9 okay First, Day 45, tough. 50, tough. 55, 57. 58, nine, okay. Easy, easy.

Easy, easy. 61, pretty tough. No, it does get easier. It does get easier. I will say, I've been drinking a little bit. I know. I know, I'm jealous. My lovely mascot wine.

Got a little snickers? Of course, of course. I know, I feel so bad. I don't wanna be. It smells like good juice. I love that little like. It's great. I don't know what that is, but. No, it's that little alcohol smell. You mean alcohol? Yes.

Yes, it does. It smells very much like alcohol and it is very, very lovely. Thank you, Will, for sending us this wine. We love the mascot. Of course. And has it been, so you're, how do you feel? Do you feel like. I feel good.

I'm running. I'm running again. Oh,. And has it been, so you're, how do you feel? Do you feel like a changed man? I feel good, I'm running. I'm running again. Oh, you're running? Which for me, I have not run. Yes, I know how that feels. I have not run for my entire life.

So there is a thing of moving the legs in a general direction. Yeah, yeah. I've been trying to hit 10,000 steps a day, which is my new shit, and I'm at 4,800 right now. Jesus Christ, you gotta get going, man. I do gotta get going. We're going to grab some food so maybe we'll walk.

But I will say that honestly, I have a new level of energy, which is good, and it took a while to get there because there's those first few weeks of withdrawals, if you will, of no alcohol, and now I what's for alls if you will. Yes. Of no alcohol. And now I'm finally at the point where I feel like running again. And I feel like I wake up with bells on. Really?

Which is, it feels good. You just get up and you're like, yeah. Yeah, yeah, actually that has been happening. You're like Charles Dickens opening the window. It was crazy. Church bells are going. Dude, I'm drinking less coffee. No.

It's like, yeah, there's weird shit. I don't know how to explain it. How much coffee do you drink a day? Two cups. Okay, well that's not. I was doing like four though. Oh, what? Do we drink, you're just like,

get a little coffee, you know, it helps. It doesn't matter how much I drink. Cup and a half, two cups, I'm good, yeah. That's amazing. I don't think it's healthy for me. I just think it's just how it's going. No, coffee's actually liver protective. Don't know if you knew that this is the thing That's why people do it my liver so good. You have good enzymes. I have good enzyme

Let's talk about one thing. I want to mention. Oh, yeah real quick is I have launched a new podcast I know I saw and I haven't heard it yet. Yeah, what was the impetus for the podcast? So this is a new show that I've been wanting to do for a long time. I've got Dignation Kevin, which is a real version of myself. Yeah, we love him. Slightly exaggerated, but also not. And then there is the Kevin that also goes home

and has other interests, obviously. A lot of those around kind of Eastern philosophy, deep meditation, just, you know, I think that all of this was triggered largely by those interests and then my house with the whole burning down thing was crazy. And it makes you really sit there and say, okay, well, what do I wanna add back into my life

now that I have really just my pants and shit that I was wearing? And how could I be a little bit more thoughtful a little bit more deliberate a little bit more minimal on Just how I approach things and then I was like, oh gosh, you know I know some builders that have this type of philosophy which is kind of like I'd consider it to be a very a life like a very intentional life around just intentional life around just authentic building and really getting to the depth of their craft

and not so much about just adding more to their life but about living life on their own terms in a very authentic way. So have you heard of the, what's it called, the Swedish death organizing or whatever? A Swedish death theory or something? Where you plan your death or something? No, where you go, you pick up items and go when I die

Do I want my relatives and friends to have to decide where this guy's yeah? Yeah, and it goes Oh, man, there's a lot of stuff. Yeah, what the fuck does this exist? Well, it's crazy is when when you do have something like the fire It's like I realize there is very little you need to add back. Yeah, you don't really need a lot of that shit Yeah so anyway the podcast is called less than one and and the idea behind Less Than One is that when you're giving things away, like a little bit of yourself or support for other

people or being a little bit more in that camp of wanting to acquire less, you actually gain more in terms of the way that you feel and the way that you show up in life And so what I put the you know, the copy on the website says basically it's it's subtraction human connection uh meditative depth minimalism Uh, and then i'm just profiling the journeys of these authentic builders that are crafting meaningful lives. So There's no ads in them. I know it's a very niche audience that I'm kind of going after This is not like in any way personal. I love doing you I love doing it So I had Jason Fried on the first episode He built 37 signals with digit base camp and hey

And he's also someone that is like really thoughtful about how he builds products and he does not add the extra features He doesn't really like he builds features that he wants to use, not necessarily what everyone is telling him he should be building. I just love how disciplined he is around that stuff. In the second episode, which is coming out soon, I have my old drinking buddy Jason DeFilippo, who you know from a long time ago. Yes, yeah.

Very technologist with us and also a podcast editor and well-known guy in the podcasting circuit. And he had a stroke, actually, which was brutal. He's okay. But he talks about this on the episode. He was drinking for three years, 18 Guinnesses a day. 18 Guinnesses a day. I mean, look, I drank, but Jesus.

Yeah, I mean, that's like, that's a lot. And they said like Guinness is like a loaf of bread, right? Yeah, it was, so he was drinking, but he wasn't even to get drunk, it was just to kind of maintain. Anyway, we go around and we talk about- So I'm assuming he's been sober for a bit. He's been sober now, yeah.

He's sober now and he's also done some of these kind of 12 step type programs. And so I started to tease out, like what are the strategies that you've used here? And so really getting back to that atomic unit of what can make you live a more meaningful life and that's the idea. Well it's interesting the whole thing of like,

cause as you guys all know, my kitchen remodel has been the gift that keeps on giving. Yes. But it is currently, we believe tomorrow will be the last day. Do you have a little bottle that you're gonna break over the countertops? I'm not gonna break anything in that place.

By the way, be careful with those countertops. Oh no, I know. You got granite. I know, I know. Granite doesn't chip. It does chip. It's forever. It chips a lot.

Shut up. I got granite in San Francisco. Oh. It just chipped. It's flaking. It was like a dandruff. It's dark. It's fine.

It's fine. Dark dandruff. God damn it. We have mostly a butcher block. Oh. We have butcher block and the other damn it. We have mostly a butcher block. Oh, butcher blocks. We have butcher block and the other stuff. So they all just use the butcher block. Not a good butcher block.

But it's interesting that you're saying about the whole less than one thing and the minimalism because we spent all this time, all this time, it was a fucking frenetic mess the night before demolition where we were like, oh shit, we have to put everything in our kitchen into our guest room. And so we literally boxed everything up, fucking wrote what it was and just put it in the thing. It's been there for five months, we have no idea. All in that little guest room.

All in that little guest room, but like it's piled in, you can't even open the door. Yeah, yeah, yeah, literally. But we opened it up and I was like, oh my God, this shit is giving me edge to this, so much stuff. And I told Heather, I was like, look, we are going to open up everything, pull everything out and go,

does this deserve to be in the new kitchen? Yeah. And if it doesn't deserve to be in the new kitchen, we're gonna give it to a friend, we're gonna give it away, or we're gonna throw it away, depending on what it is. That's gonna be a nice process.

Oh, I'm so excited. You gotta do that with your partner like every six months or every year, just a good cleansing of the house That's what we are trying to do and the other sides of the other parts of the house are full of all the shit that We can't deal with because we're like we can't deal with this right now. We're in the middle of a remodel Yeah, so like my office is fucking Destroyed it's got so much shit. It's got all those like unify boxes. Yeah, and dust even going deep on the unify

I love it, man. Isn't it great? The Unifi Play, they installed the in-wall speakers. Oh, I haven't seen that yet. It's so good. The little thing? Yeah, the little things. The Sonos replacement.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Unifi Play amps. Oh my god. Is it good? So great. Oh god, I gotta get a house. And it works with AirPort 2. I need a house first.

And so I'm like literally, yeah, are you going to get a house? I don't have a house. Are you going to get a house? It's a boy. It's a boy. Justin wants me to move by him. Oh, speaking of literally, yeah, are you gonna get the house? I don't have a house, I don't have a house in the neighborhood. It's a boy, it's a boy. Justin wants me to move by him. Oh, speaking of Justin, hello sir. Dig CEO Justin Mazel.

I love the ham horn coming back. Yeah. It's nice. We love the deep V. Well, you know, yeah, well, I appreciate that. All right, so I will just say this. This is the summer of skin for me. I am getting out, I'm getting about.

And to me, I feel like we gotta be done with the turtlenecks. It's been so long. Boys, fellas, get out there, stretch your stuff, get a deep V on. I'm gonna keep getting this thing lower. I want it down by my belly button by the end of summer. So this is only the beginning of my journey. Oh my God, it's gonna be like the Bee Gees

with like the full on all the way down past the belly button. That's right. It looks good, looks good. I appreciate it. You've been working out, I can tell. Your pecs are perky. Only here, only here.

Yeah, just for the view. I've just been doing this exercise right here. I'm just doing flies. Just the entire time, nothing but flies. I knew it was the summer. What do you say, you had this saying that you told me your thighs out. Skies out, thighs out.

Skies out, thighs out. Skies out, thighs out. The good news is the sky's always out, so you're always free to get those thighs out there. Oh God, LA, too much thigh. There you go. Too much thigh in LA. We're excited to catch up later. I'm excited.

We have a lot to talk about, a lot to talk about. Let's get back to it for y'all. Awesome. I love it, I love it, I love it. We gotta talk about the new little guy over here. Oh yeah, well first off, before we talk about this new little guy over here, like and subscribe, if you're on YouTube, this is what the young kids say.

Like and subscribe. Oh, speaking of like and subscribe, last thing, lessthanone.show is my plug. Like and subscribe. Like and subscribe. Like and subscribe. It's audio only. But we did wanna thank Michael Bills,

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I don't know what we asked for. How do they have to send it? Now, do they send it in a movie file? down at the bottom. What should we ask for? I don't know what we should ask for. How do they have to send it? Now do they send it in like a movie file? Like what is that actually? Like Mp4 or something? It's like an MPEG-4. Yeah, MPEG-4.

It's an animation file. It could be a still. Could be a still. Make it an M. Make something awesome, like we want our heads flying around, like flying. And we were gonna say, we don't know what we're gonna send, but we will send something potentially to Michael.

Oh yeah, we're gonna send him shirts. Yeah, yeah, so like if it shows up on the thing, we'll give you some stuff. We. Oh yeah, we're gonna send him shirts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like if it shows up on the thing, we'll give you some stuff. We have new shirts, we have worn shirts, Justin's V-necks. He gets really sweaty in here, so if you want a little musk of Justin, I don't know why I didn't do the double hand thing.

One's out loud, don't know what you're doing. Yeah. All right, so we also had an email that I wanted to mention on the show. This is from Alex Willingham. Alex, thank you for the shout out for Fusion 360. Alex and Kevin, I'm a long time Dignation fan and I've been so excited to have it back.

We are excited to be back. Thank you, sir. Was thrilled when I was watching your last episode and Alex mentioned using Autodesk Fusion to design the spacer for your door lock mechanism. Go back if you haven't seen that. I did do it, I printed it, it works like a charm. And I just designed something else

because I wanted to speak into the unified system. I wanna get into, a buddy sent me the doorbell, the G4 Doorbell Pro. I'm gonna set it up in my new intercom system. How do your buddies just send you G4 Doorbell Pro? I'm a smart guy. It was actually Brentano, Joshua went Brentano. He couldn't set it up in his thing, anyway. How do your buddies just send you a G4 Doorbell Pro? I'm a smart guy. It was actually Brent Tano, Joshua went Brent Tano.

He couldn't set it up in his thing. Anyway. I'd love to send you guys some Fusion Swag. Let me know your hoodie size and where you can send it and we'll hook you up. Probably like a large, I like them sort of a little bit more oversized. Large, extra large. Large, extra large. Oversize is it.

Large. We don't know, if you have, V stuff, send them over. Justin will love them. We don't know the address yet, but it'll be down in the show notes. Peele Box in the show notes. V Box. We'll have a Peele Box in the show notes.

Peele Box in the show notes. V Box the show notes as we know. Very common to say. Peele Box will be in the show notes. You always comment that there aren't many women in your audience. I can tell you that there is at least one, my wife. I recently had her listen to a Reboot episode

and she reminded me that I quote, used to make her watch the show back in the day. Quote, thank you Alex, I appreciate that and I love that you're forcing your wife. And if anybody wants to force any of their friends to watch the show, feel free to do so as long as they're not under extreme duress. Minimal duress, that's just a party.

Extreme duress and feed them and hydrate them. There's probably a whole group of people that are watching right now that used to watch with somebody else. And they can send that out, reach out. And so I just wanna say, Jeff, Jeff, we know you're watching. We know. Send this to your friends.

Yeah, we know that you had a whole bunch of friends that you used to watch it with and they don't know about it now. Same with you, Mark. Yeah, Mark even works. Very popular names right now to try and hit as wide an audience as possible. Quasimote.

Joe? Oh, Quasimote knows, he knows who he is. All right, first sponsor of the day for the stories. First sponsor of the day is Wix.com. So Heather uses Wix.com all the time. She works on a couple different of friends' businesses up in Fresno.

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It looks like Mel's face. Exactly. He's like, back. Thank you, Wix. Yeah. Also. Element is fantastic. I really do love Element.

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Find your favorite element flavor or share them with a friend. Thank you, Element. Love it. All right, let's get into the first story, K-Rose. All right, first story of the day is all about Apple. There is a report that Apple has held internal talks. That means they most likely called some people together.

Okay. Got them around the table and said we need to talk about something. Well, it's gonna be a big deal. We got some issues. We have reserved this conference room for exactly an hour and a half. Let us discuss. They discussed acquiring perplexity.

Oh, yeah. Boy, that makes me happy. Here's the cool thing. I don't know how much that thing is going to cost. Lots. Here's the thing. That had 89 digs on it. Oh, yeah.

Well, right. I just refreshed the page. 92. It has 92 digs on it right now. That's the actual website Not lively yet, but soon 92 digs on it and submitted by Danielle said bit of a Danielle which interesting username, but you know, okay, they got it and So what's the deal is there unpacking to be done? Well, I think if they had to go for an acquisition here I don't see why you don't go with anthropic. I don't know

So what's the front-facing stuff anthropic is Claude, right? That's right. And then perplexity is that that's their website perplexity Oh, so and wait what perplexity AI this one. Oh perplexity is perplexity. Yeah It doesn't have like a different name to it. Oh, I got you. I got you, but I would say perplexity AI this one. Oh perplexity is perplexity. It's yeah It doesn't have like a different name to it. Oh, I got you. I got you But I would say perplexity is for me is more of a destination for news They have like this whole finance section I mean you're all talking things Apple wants to be in the game of but they have news already, but I hear you I'm just also not like the thing about perplexity is I'd be really curious to know Behind the scenes and I know they've rolled out some of their own models and they're working on that

But if you go into like all settings like here's my account. I'll go in there and it allows you to choose Which AI you want to use meaning that they are reliant upon other AI To kind of do their own LLM. You can like associate other LLM You can't associate other LLMs, but they are doing their, they're rolling their own. They recently came out with a bunch of new, for new stuff that just came out, like some personal memory storage,

so you can remember certain preferences that you might have. It's getting better and better. It's still gonna be pricey. Yeah, but don't you think that- They're one of the top three or four, right? Right, but again, let's say there's three or four, there's no way you're buying OpenAI. No way.

And you start to go down the list, a lot of it's internal, Google's not gonna give it to you, Meta's not gonna give it to you, you know what I mean? So it's like, of the ones you can purchase, at this point, perplexity's gotta be the cheapest, right? Yeah, I would say. So there is that, to me when I heard it. I was like that makes sense

Like if it was open AI be like holy what the that makes no sense like how much money that's gonna cost and you know I mean like yeah, but with perplexity. I was like that makes sense It really depends on how far behind they are internally well I mean I have a feeling since the talking is happening and that also makes me go boy They don't really have an AI I mean I have a feeling since the talking is happening and that also makes me go, boy they don't really have an AI set. I mean I feel like they do. Apple intelligence was one of the biggest let down flops that they've done. Worse than the Vision Pro. I still can't talk to Siri. I'm like trying to dictate shit. It won't do anything. Why is Siri worse than Amazon's Alexa?

Well Alexa's got a lot better, but yeah, I agree. You know what I mean? Every time Siri pops up, I'm like, Jesus Christ, this lady again? I don't wanna talk to you, man. You can change it to a man if you want. Well, I don't wanna talk to that guy either. What are you saying?

Because they don't do anything for that. I got mine to be a British lady. That's amazing. It's kinda a little bit better, you know? Because you're kinda like, she's got it. No, what are you talking about, Kevin? I don't know why it's hard, girl. It's kind of a little bit better, you know, because you're kind of like, I don't know what you're talking about, Kevin. I don't know why it's hard, girl. It's not so old.

It's actually a little bit more sexy. I don't know what you mean, Kevin. Yeah, exactly. It's like, let me check, check, check. I'm just checking, checking the teeth. So that makes you a little bit happier when it's British. But anyway, yeah, perplexity would be a pick up for them. Because they really needed to do something with, because they were so all about AI, AI, AI.

I mean, even back in the day when they launched everything to be ready for AI and then didn't launch the AI, it was like, guys, come on, like, wait, make it into the next one correctly, which is so not how Apple usually works. Apple's usually like, we'll be third, but we'll do it better than anybody.

You know what I mean? Yes, that's right, because they're never like the first to the arena. But when they do it, they come out and splash, it's amazing, right. It's so innovative and so amazing. The thing is, you have to wonder if they aren't just lacking some engineering talent here.

Because, well, Sam Altman came out and said that recently Metta is paying $100 million for signing bonuses to go work on AI over at Metta. Oh my god. I mean, obviously you have to be a certain skill set. It's not like a vibe code like us, we could go over there and just get $100 million. I mean, I'm going to just be submitting my resume after this. Exactly. Hey man, AI? AI?

But $100 million is a signing bonus? Well, I mean, yeah, man, talk about riding the wave. If you were somebody that got really into AI machine learning early and built some skills, and you could then just command the most, I mean, because there's not that many people, I guess, out there that do this at that level. I think that is the whole thing here,

is like, yes, you can find kind of value-add engineers that will help out in terms of building the scaffolding and engineering required to pull this off, but if you want people at the edge that's doing the innovation side, very small pool of talent to pull from. Man, they must just be stealing people left, right and sideways too. People are jumping all over the place.

I feel like the last six months have been just people hopping around to different companies, acquisitions that are happening. It's the hottest space right now without a doubt. There is so much money being poured into, Apple has a lot of ketchup to do here. It wouldn't surprise me if they went and spent a lot of money to pick something up. I mean, it would be the quickest way to fix a very bumpy broken product

that's in everything that they have. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like that's the thing that's also interesting. It's not like, you know, oh, the track pad air, and it's like, well, that's kind of a weird product. Whatever, I don't care. It's like every iPhone, you know what I mean? Like every Mac that has the quote unquote Apple intelligence.

Like they baked it into so much and it's not good. That's gotta be something they're pissing about. Well, I just wish for the time being, as a stopgap, as an Apple user, I would love it if, I mean, we're seeing this today with any of the AI coding tools, you can typically bring your own AI. So you can just go in and get a key from

any of the big providers out there and say, you know what, I want OpenAI to power my AI coding over on this platform over here. Bring your own key. I mean, that would be so crazy if it was all of a sudden OpenAI was in your phone. Well, I mean, they kind of do that. They make it hop.

But what I'm saying is like, imagine a world where when you're dictating to Siri, when I press and hold, it is just Gemini or whatever I want built in. Because I chose that as one of the options. Just like when you're in the settings and you can say I want Chrome to be my default browser I want Apple Mail to be my mail. You should be able to say I want this to be my AI Do you have any offline LLMs? Yes

What do you use those for? I can't talk about it. I love it That's the best because I got into I was just talking you have some offline ones here No, I haven't yet done it, but I've gotten into the home assistant thing. We gotta get a good GPU. So this is the thing, is that I wanna get, I wanna break away from the Alexa ecosystem. Oh. Because we use it still to like turn the lights on and off. I know he's like stands up and he's like,

what'd you say about that? Because we use it still to talk about, like literally the thing that we use Alexa for is, what is the weather in Oxnard when you're getting out of the shower before you go to Oxnard, you know what I mean? I don't even do timers, it's literally like turning my lights. You do the times?

Timex? Timers. Timers, not really, I do it on my watch. Because it's for time. Anyway, but I got into this thing, but I want to be able to pull off of that and then integrate it with Home Assistant and their voice assistant stuff. And you can connect it with ChatGBT,

but it's still going online. I'm like, well, if I'm gonna do it, I wanna do it. And so I was just wondering if you had any offline LLMs. No, we should talk. There's a ton of ways that you can get this working, and then you can use it to power all types of devices.

Raspberry Pis or anything can query it and get data back. Have you seen the Billy Bass? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. The Arnold Schwarzenegger Billy Bass? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Best use case ever for AI. I love it.

Have you seen that now or no? Yeah, we've shown it on the show before. Yeah, we've shown it before, a long time ago. And also, by the way, with 11 Labs, we were just talking about, I think last time, that they just announced this crazy new stuff. It's like, you can go to the cloud, connect to 11 Labs to be the voice of your local lab.

Oh, 100%. And that to me is like, I wanna do that. You wanna hear yourself? No, not me, someone from 11 Labs, someone of the natural voices from 11 Labs. Oh, you would just add the voice. Yeah, so like you would then, basically your LLM would make all the thinking and decision making

and then send up their response to 11 Labs, they would then vocalize it, send it back, speaker. Okay, so I can get a little geeky here. This is kind of fun. One of the things that when you launch, like Gemini voice mode, like I have it as my action button here, or you launch any of these voice powered assistants,

they're not using their best models because a lot of them, even the more hardcore models don't support voice yet. So they're typically using a cheaper model and it works for like, hey, tell me about, how does Fusion versus Fission work? It'll do the basic stuff, right? But what's interesting is the best thinking models.

So we're talking about like Opus from Claude, the thinking version, the Max, or you're talking like 03 from a chat GPT. So 03 with reasoning, what you can do is you can take that as an API and use your API key and feed it into 11 labs. And so then you can talk to it and then it will go out and pull it from 03, so you get the best knowledge and then it will read it back to you.

So you're bypassing your crappy. Isn't it crazy how fucking fast this shit goes? Like think about the internet speeds when we were kids. Think about how many jumps it has to go, and it's happening in almost imperceptible moments. This is the whole thing where every, well we've talked about this before, every two to four weeks, and it's happening in almost imperceptible moments. You know what I mean? This is the whole thing where every, well we've talked about this before,

every two to four weeks we're on this show talking about how we have our minds blown yet again. Yeah. And it's just insane. I know. I don't know how we're gonna keep up with it, but it's fun. Well pretty soon it will just be making these shows for us.

That's right. But anyway, the voice is, you can train it to do any voice you want. I'm sorry, I'm spitting on you. It's okay, you're very excited. Sorry. It's very exciting Sorry exciting. So the good thing you didn't have a deep V on yeah The you can train to be any voice you want. Yeah, so you could have like Alfred Hitchcock You could have like well then the whole fucking copyright shit No, but like if you have your own local models and you're doing some of this voice training

And so you can have Alan Watts you can have any of these like epic voices yeah wouldn't that be amazing yes I mean yes I want to go on loke telling me that the weather in Oxnard is awesome yeah yeah there are weird there's weird shits gonna happen in that like people that are dead that are evil or good or whatever we're gonna they're gonna come back alive again I I mean that's... Jeffrey Dahmer could be a voice. First off, who knows what Jeffrey Dahmer's voice sounds like? Isn't that a thing? I don't think there were many recordings of Jeffrey Dahmer

Okay, I don't know. giving big speeches or maybe just talking to his victims and somehow it gets recorded. You only need a few seconds of audio now. Sorry, I just need your thigh. I hate to be burst your bubble, but you don't need a big speech anymore. You'll need a few seconds of audio

from Jeffrey Dahmer to get his old voice. So you could just like circuitously record him. No, I'm sure there's a interview. Well, he's dead now, but yeah. I'm sure there's an interview. Didn't they interview him in jail? Am I thinking about a different serial killer? I mean, that serial killer you could use.

Yeah. That's how that works Okay, yeah, we keep going. Keep going Okay, where were we? All right, next story. Next story. Next story. Perfect. Landed that one like a swan coming home for the winter They don't always land correctly. They do. All right story two, story two. Why am I telling you that? Whatever. Next story These autofocus glasses could soon make bifocals obsolete by tracking your eyes in real time. First off, I don't know about you, but it's happening. Like I am, it used to be like,

oh this menu is really small and the lights are really dim. Hey babe, can I borrow your reading glasses? Just for this experience. It's just a little intense. Have you ever turned on your light? Oh, 100%. I've never done that. Oh. I won't do it. It's either that or put the glasses on.

No, I just won't order. You just won't order. Get up and leave. I'm not gonna be the old person. Whatever the chef recommends. Exactly. You're like, we're at Taco Bell. But so I've been getting to the point where I'm like,

I should just bite the bone. So I have reading glasses. Oh, I have some too. Yeah, well, yeah, see? They work. They do the thing. But I've often thought about transition lenses or what are they called, progressive lenses,

where they sort of go from your far vision to your yes vision. And they kind of progress down. When you look down they get a little bit tighter. But the problem is is that a lot of it is like sometimes you're not in the right thing when you're looking at a thing

so you gotta like bring the thing down, you gotta like angle your head and all this stuff. So this Finnish startup called IXI is developing frames that have adaptive optics. So basically it uses little tiny sensors in the glasses to track where your eyes are looking. Can it give you eagle vision? I don't know if it can give you eagle vision.

It actually probably can't give you eagle vision. That would be amazing, right? Based on what is actually happening. And then what it does is it uses this little lidar, like, it's not really lidarAR, but it's basically just- Baby LIDAR. Baby LIDAR to check the distance from what it is you're looking at to the lens,

and then uses a liquid crystal lens to transition the size of the lens to correct for the distance. And they're $20,000. Yeah, they're pretty soon. But the really crazy thing is, it can do the change in the focal lens, it can do it in.2 seconds.

Insane. And our eyes focus in.4 seconds. So technically, the change in the lens will be imperceptible to you because by the time your eyes adjust. Wow, I didn't realize it was that slow because I'm looking around and it is about.2 seconds. No.4.

No, oh mine is faster. They're fucking ninja over here. First of all, what's a.2, yeah it's just 7. 7, that's not even, that's like a second. Yeah, so the cool thing would be if you get 40-40, like with the easels and shit. Well, but that's the thing, is because it's correcting the lenses,

there's no reason why it can't adjust. I mean, I'm sure there's a threshold of how much it can adjust the focal length of the lens, but there is a world in which it could be making you have better vision. And by the way, yeah, because if you're looking over here in the corner, the whole concept is it instantly knows

that you're looking in that corner, and then it instantly knows, like speed of light knows, how far away that is, and then within.2 seconds changes the curvature of the lens so that you can see that better. It's so freaking cool. Isn't that amazing? Dude, when did these come out?

So this is the thing, there's two other companies that are trying to get this into the same thing, but as you saw on the video, if you're watching, now threw up some of the internal x-rays of the glasses that they can actually fit the electronics into the frame of the glasses, because it's all very low energy. So it's not like the meta glasses where like you're doing AR

and putting on stuff. It's like, no, no, no. You're just tiny motion sensor tracking the eyeballs, tiny baby lidars checking the distance for what it is you're looking at. And then I don't know how much energy it takes to do the liquid crystal Curvature stuff, but it's pretty fast. They have yet to come out with something that's a consumer facing

But they're close. It's so cool. It's not red. It's so red. So I just did a little research on Eagle vision What do you think Eagles are? We're 2020 At our best humans are 2020. Yeah. yeah. I actually, at my best, was 2015. Ooh. When I was a kid. Are you serious? They did call me eagle eyes when I was a kid. Did they really?

Yeah, yeah. Oh, so you're thinking the number's lower. No, no, no, no. So the 120 is when you're looking at something that far away, it looks to you this far away. So that's why 2020. Wait, so say that again. Okay, so when someone says 2020 vision, when something is 20 feet away, so that's why 2020. Wait, so say that again. Okay, so when someone says 2020 vision,

when something is 20 feet away, it appears 20 feet away to you. That's why 2020 is normal vision. I was 2015 when I was a kid, so something 20 feet away from me looked like it was 15 feet away from me. Yeah, so the second number tells you the distance at which a person with normal vision

could see the same detail. Right, so I was 20, 15 as a kid. So I'm gonna guess an eagle would be like 40, 20? It says here that- It says eagles are mostly- It's 25. 20, 25? 20 slash five.

Oh, 20 slash five, Jesus Christ, yeah. And so it's four to five times better than a human. Yeah, so something 20 slash five. Oh, 20 slash five, Jesus Christ, yeah. And so it's four to five times better than a human. Yeah, so something 20 feet away to an eagle appears five feet away to you. Exactly. That's fucking tight. We can make that happen with these glasses. Yeah, I feel like you could get better than that.

You could probably get like. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So what's the best possible 20 zero? 20 zero, I was just like, I can't read this, it's too close. Oh my god, I can't read that, that billboard's too close. Yeah, at this point I'm like 20 slash five would be hard because I'd be like, I gotta get my reading glasses. It just, Chachipati's been making fun of me.

It's like 20-0 is nonsensical. Amazing. Yeah, so what would be the best possible vision? Well, that sounds awesome. I want a pair of those right away. Wait, 56 million? That's just investments that they raised. That's fantastic, though.

Yeah, that's Australian dollars. Did you see the new Oakleys from Meta? I did, but it's really hard for me to get excited about all this AI stuff in the glasses. I'm just walking around talking out loud like, second. They look so, well, they're a little bigger than normal. I love how the shots of them, like the action shots, are moving very fast, you get a chance to really look at them

because they do look large. Whoa, there they are. Those are bigger. Right, but there's that guy, right? So, perfect example. I'm just never gonna be in a world where I literally am like walking down the street and I'll be like, hey Meta,

take a picture of this thing that I'm staring at. It's really cool. That's never gonna happen. I feel so weird. But what if you could just like- And you're like sitting on a bus, like we're sitting on a bus, right? Hey Meta, text Kevin back.

Ha, laugh out loud, that's fun. I'll be there at 7.30. Hey Meta, what am I looking at? Like it's just like, come on man. The last one's dumb, the texting thing, people do it all the time. I know, but I'm also like fucking just write, idiot. So what about this, so you know how the Apple Watch

has the, you know what I'm talking about? Have you done that? Oh. You've never done that. I'm gonna tell you something, Kevin. That happens a lot, and I'm like,? Have you done that? Oh. You've never done that? I'm gonna tell you something, Kevin. That happens a lot, and I'm like, what the fuck is my watch doing? No, just double tap.

No, I know, but I'm just saying. Isn't that nice? It's very nice, but I'm just saying you've solved the question, which is why does my watch keep doing weird things. So imagine you're just looking at something you wanna take a photo, and you're like. Because it's.

Little less weird. No, but it's gonna know your hand gestures, right? So you're gonna go out there you wanna take a photo, and you're like... Because it's- Little less weird. No, but it's gonna know your hand gestures, right? So you're gonna go out there and just be like this, be like... If I get, literally if I'm like, a fucking mime in Central Park. and be like, oh. Ah. Yee. Yee. Da da.

Filter. Woo. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Ha. Woo. Da da. Blobbish removal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh. What? Ha! I mean, that's what people are gonna be doing. You're gonna get caught taking pictures of like, you know, like hot chicks or whatever. And by the way. You'll be like, ha.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you're just like, anyway, that's hot chicks or whatever. You'd be like, ha! Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you're just like, anyway, that's very interesting. Ha! Yeah. Later. That's for later. Just like, ha! Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's like, okay, same. Yeah, you're just like not looking. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Same one for later. Just sweating. Yeah, I'm just thinking about it. Oh, God.

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which is that Tesla rolls out self-driving in Austin. Finally. I don't know how I feel about this. I'm concerned. Did you watch the video? rolls out self-driving in Austin. Who finally? I don't know how I feel about this. I'm concerned. Did you watch the video? Oh, so many videos? Yeah, did you see the one where it had, it couldn't figure out which lane to get into

and it was like, brrrr. No, did you see the one where they like, had it go by a school bus? No. That was stopped and then they dragged a paper child out in front and it not only hit it, it just kept going over the paper. No way. Well, he probably knew it was paper.

I mean, first off, that's a lot of credit. Well, you have to imagine there's some kind of depth sensor. I hope, I hope. So they dragged a paper, show me this video. That paper was like a big plastic. Yeah, it was like a big plastic child. It was three dimensional. And by the way, it wasn't the RoboTaxi,

just to say, it was a Tesla in self-driving mode. Same code base though, ish. There's something about, look, I've had Teslas for years. I'm on my third Tesla. I remember when I got my first Tesla and it didn't have any of the self-driving, the self-driving stuff was like,

you could go like 30 miles an hour on the freeway, so it was great for traffic. And I was like, oh, it's great, it's auto-pilot, you know the self-driving stuff was like, you could go like 30 miles an hour on the freeway. So it was great for traffic. And I was like, oh, it's great. It's auto pilot, you know what I mean? I was like, this is great. And it's worked its way up. And I, for a while, was buying the self-driving, like full self-driving.

And I was listening to Elon. I was trusting Elon when he was like, we're two years away from full self-driving. We're a year away from full self-driving. 10 years ago. And there are certain things that I really loved about it. I loved the summon. I loved being able to pull up into a parking spot where

my door wouldn't open. And you just put in like, boop boop, get out of the car, close it, it drives itself, parks. Love that stuff. It's not rudimentary. It's still crazy. But like, not driving by itself 20 minutes away, you know what I mean? And I got into the beta in my Model 3, I think,

maybe my Model Y, my most recent one. I got into the beta for full self-driving and it was scary as hell. Some of the stuff it was doing, I was like, why would you do this? And I was like, oh, this is not, and then I got into a Waymo, and I was like, oh are we doing, why would you do this? And I was like, oh, this is not. And then I got into a Waymo. Yeah.

And I was like, oh, I feel so comfortable. Yes. By the way, so my Model 3 had LiDAR, and my Model Y, they were like, good news, we took out the LiDAR because our AI is so good, it can just use camera. I don't think the Model 3 ever had LiDAR. Then it was my Model S that had LiDAR.

Are you sure, I don't think it even had LiDAR no no hundred percent had you at least radar or sonar or whatever? It maybe is like there were sensors there were sensors that were has a model 3 ever had lidar or is any Tesla ever had lidar? Was a radar There were sensors That was doing sensor stuff, and they were like, we don't need the sensors anymore. We can just do it by understanding the cameras. And I go, that's not good.

I want more sensors. Don't take sensors away. Give me more sensors. Yeah, they were trying to save money. So even like the beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, of every car USA, that was in my Model S, and I think they took it out on the Model 3, and I was like, it goes beep, beep, beep, beep, beep,

but I was like, I don't trust this, because it's just looking at the cameras and deciding that I shouldn't, you know what I mean? Like, it's not getting radar information. Yeah, but neither are you. I don't, but I'm also not going, I guess I should stop, you know what I mean? Like. Yeah.

I hear you, trust me. I don't want to get into one anytime soon. Yeah, no. I think that I stop, you know what I mean? Like. Yeah, I hear you, trust me. I don't want to get into one anytime soon. Yeah, no. I think that I'm with you. It also feels so too soon. I had the self-driving enabled on my X, and there were a few things that it, like you, where I had to grab, I had to grab the steering wheel back.

100%, yeah. Because I was like, I'm gonna die. Yeah, 100%. And the one thing I realized, the advantage of the LiDAR is that you get a level of depth and understanding of the terrain that you just would never get with a camera. Because the camera is not going to be able to see around corners.

The LiDAR is actually showing me like two cars in front and off to the right, there's a cat that's about to run out across the street. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's amazing, because when you get in these way modes, if you haven't taken one yet. I took one here. So did I.

You get to see, they kind of give you the whole playing field, and it almost looks like X-ray mode has been turned on for all the environment around you. The sensors are crazy expensive. So when they had those riots out here in LA, and they burned a few of them, they came out with a price, and they said they were like 180 grand a piece or something. Well, it's funny, because somebody was like. The sensors? Yeah, somebody was like, oh no, they burned a bunch of Waymos.

And they were like, that's like $75,000 or $100,000 car. And I go, yeah, with like hundreds of thousands of dollars of compute and sensors and like, that's what you have to do and the Tesla's I think what they do is they just added a little like lidar cluster by the Riviera mirror, I don't think they have lidar at all They have to have put something in no he's against lighter like that He's come out and said like he hates lidar But they put a camera they put a sensor thing up there if you can see that there's more sensors in the...

See, Tesla's adopted a vision-only approach. They will not, he's like, he's come out against LiDAR. What the fuck is, what? Because he says it's too expensive. So here's the one thing, here's the one thing I think about. It's expensive, good and safe. Well, yes. And he, but consumers can't buy it.

And that's the whole thing, is he wants to get this in consumers' hands as fast as possible. Oh God, why? Trust me, I'm with you, I'm with you on this one. We're on the same team. I don't want to get into one of these things. No!

I think they're scary as hell, and also, he comes out and he says the rides are 4.20, which is like $4.20, which is like a weed joke, like 4.20. I do not want the guy who's creating the autonomous vehicles to be giving me weed jokes Yes, exactly I'm like I would have to be the nerdiest guy that like I don't want to have it for like pie like three point Well, you know, it's something where I'm like, oh, there's real engineers like working behind the scenes here. Yeah. Yeah

I don't want the weed charge. Oh my god. That makes me feel like nobody's taking this seriously. Like I don't want to die in this thing. They're not, they are not. So anyway, I think that maybe Elon knows something that we don't in terms of how much data they believe they need until it gets safer. But I just can't see this. It's been so long.

So long. With the same sensors and the same issues Yeah, I just I mean I know it's getting a little bit better over time But to watch it kind of freak out and change lanes and now run over this paper child like this It just seems like it's not ready for prime time. So so well, we were both in New York Yes, I was there a little bit before you I Had and I've been talking about Waymo for ages, obviously, anybody that watches the show knows

I like to talk about Waymo. I took a Waymo over here, it's great, so fun. Watching a YouTube video about making dashboards in Home Assistant, actually, now that I think about it, on my way over here to the show. Anyway, nerd on nerd on nerd. But I was in New York and we got an Uber, so we had to get an Uber for something.

And in my mind I was like, or not even in my mind, I was telling, talking to friends that were there, I was like, there's no fucking way. Like Waymo, there's no way they would be able to do this because there's so much unwritten in New York, in Manhattan, you know? People walk against the light and everybody's like, and then you just sort of honk when somebody goes like, oh, it's too close, you know, people walk against the light and everybody's like, and then you just sort of honk when somebody goes like,

oh, it's too close, you know what I mean? And you have to just kind of go through the people, like you just have to believe that the people are gonna kind of go, I know, I'm sorry, you're gonna, like the car's gonna have to go, otherwise the car's not gonna, it's almost like this unspoken humanity, like a human mass that just works in New York.

Waymo just announced that they're moving into New York. I know. And I was like, holy shit, it's going to happen. Well, I'll say there's two things that I've noticed with the Waymos. I've ridden probably 200 rides now. I've had two incidents that I consider to be kind of significant. Outliers. So one was there was a homeless person in the SF

that came out of nowhere. And I gotta tell you, that woman was been trained in San Francisco on a lot of homeless people because they did an amazing job at dodging the homeless person. Amazing. And I was like, zombie apocalypse or anything? It's gonna have the training data.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. To like get out of town. Just go into a zombie apocalypse mode and be like, we're fine. Yeah, but the other thing though that was really kind of crazy is, it was another homeless situation unfortunately, but this one was somebody that I would say

was definitely mentally unstable because they were yelling at the car, but they just walked right in front of it. And it slammed on its brakes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But what was crazy is I realized that this person was doing it on purpose. They knew that thing had to stop.

And so he was like, he thought it was funny and he was walking by. That crazy guy had enough confidence in Waymo's tech to just yeet out in the middle, be like, I know this car's not gonna hit me. That's fucking crazy. And it caused me to like, my laptop and everything went flying

because I was like doing shit on the commute. And I was like, well, that's what I need like my laptop and everything went flying Because I was like doing shit on the commute and I was like, well that could be a thing Yeah, cuz kids will have fun doing that once they realize that's a game Well, they did the thing where they put cones on it and like fucked up all the sense. Oh really? Yeah, they were just like ooh And the other thing is is like first off Once people get like once it becomes, currently it's novel, right? Just like the autonomous pizza delivery, well it's not pizza, it can be anything,

but the autonomous delivery bots. You guys have those in Santa Monica? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Little like Coco. What are they called, Coco's? Yeah, Coco's, yeah, my kids call them Wallies. Wallies, I mean that's what they are. And by the way, there's one pizza place that we order from.

Does it bring a pizza? I might have to do pizza tonight, that'd be good. It does, and it's really fun. Because it's so nice, it's so cute, it's like boop boop boop. And I'm like, oh thanks. Do you talk and shit? Yeah, it goes like boop boop boop. No way.

And then it opens and you're like, oh thanks, and then it closes and it's like boop boop. No, no way. 100%. So it's got eyes and like, no way. 100%. Can you talk to it a little bit? No, I don't think it knows that I'm trying to talk to it.

Oh, okay. It's just sort of like, hello, I'm here. Because that would be really cool,? Can you talk to it a little bit? No, I don't think it knows that I'm trying to talk to it. Oh, OK. It's just sort of like, hello. Because that would be really cool. Because imagine you could just have a little conversation. It would like. Right, but we're talking about 11 Labs. Yeah. Just think if it pulls up and is like, hey, sir,

your pizza's here, hot and fresh. No, I don't want that. I don't know why it's so weird. It's like all of a sudden it's like a 50s or 40s Barker. Yeah, I want it to come back to me with Cody. Oh great, would that be if you could set who do you want to deliver your pizza? R2-T2, C3PO, Alex.

I'd be like, hey fuckers, your pizza's here, wow! Light the fireworks, we don't have any fireworks. Take the pizza. I would love that. But once that becomes, the shine is gonna wear off, And then people are gonna go, oh yeah, it's Waymo. I mean, it's already starting to happen. Like people are like, oh my God, a fucking Waymo,

like take it. But those are the people that are coming in from like Milwaukee. Right, right. And are in Los Angeles going, holy shit. Yeah, I'll still get people pulling out their phones and stuff. 100%. Yeah.

But like once enough people, once it sort of gets to enough people, it'll be like, it'll be like a fucking iPhone It'll be like FaceTime. It'll be like whatever You don't think people are gonna like fight back against these things. But why what's the negative impact? I think I feel like there's this weird undercurrent of kind of like communism things are moving now things are moving too fast for people and like they like people being old yeah, but I feel like. Oh yeah, but that's just other people being old.

Yeah, but I feel like kids, they're easy targets. I mean, the reason they were led on fire is because you could summon one and let it on fire. Oh, the Waymos. Yeah, the Waymos. I thought you said kids were easy targets. I was like, Jesus Christ, that took a turn. You can get a kid here in five minutes.

I was like, okay, Kevin, calm it down. We're talking about Waymos. No, no, I know, 100%, easy target. Same thing with, so that was one of the things With the Cocos and yeah, and and there's more than just Coco. It's just the one that's been branded on the side They actually were had issues with vandalism Yeah, you can get inside that but so what they did was they put eyes and it makes them more human-like Yeah, it makes people less likely to vandalize. I've heard that yeah

Well, I I'm a big fan of Waymo. The prices will come down. I did a little research because I was looking to invest in some alphabet stock and I didn't pull the trigger largely because their search business is under attack, but I do like other areas of their business. Obviously Gemini is amazing. Waymo is a really interesting business unit for them. The prices are falling dramatically on LiDAR.

Like, it was really, per sensor was like tens of thousands and now it's coming down quite a bit. But they really have to ramp up production to get them to, you know, parody with traditional cameras. It can be quite some time. So Tesla is betting on this idea that cameras will get us there and they don't have to spend

The money on the sentence. Yeah, but we'll see I mean that I yeah, I have I have Sus is the way that I would say that I would call that sus was just about to ask you something You're gonna be center and alphabet. Yes Search business under attack. Yeah Lost it Jim and I good. Jim and I good. Waymo good. Waymo good. Oh, I was gonna say, I will say,

I was very hesitant when any of the AI stuff comes over. Anytime AI is forced onto me in my way that I'm usually working, so a good example is I hate the priority message in my email. It's like, I was like, I'll tell you if this is a priority. Like I can just read, priority message in my email. It's like, I will, I was like, I'll tell you if this is a priority. Like I can just read.

But I was like, I can read my emails. I get like so little emails. I was like, I can read my four emails. What's your email address? No, I, we, it's already on the show and it was thankfully blurred out later thinking about. But it was like, I get so few emails. You can guess it by the way.

You really wanted to guess it. Right, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. KevinRose at KevinRose.org. Nope. Anyway, anyway, so I get so few. When I see that thing, it distracts me. I'm like, just show me the email like the normal, like it's normally, but I will say, when I first started seeing.

You're speaking in like another language. No, when I first started seeing the Gemini results in Google searches, I was really like, I don't need fucking AI search result. Oh, it's way better. But now that's kind of all I use. Yeah, I do the Google and I look and I read the thing. Like Heather's car is having a hard time charging for some reason.

And I was like, how do you reboot a BMW i4? Because like on a Tesla, you press the two things that wait and then it goes screw it. But I didn't know how to do it in Heather's car. And literally, the Gemini result was, here's how you reboot the iDrive system in a BMW i4. And I just just sit in the car. I was like, okay, cool. Didn't have to go to a website. Didn't have to do anything.

Welcome to six months ago. I know, but I never. Why do you still go into Google? Why aren't you going to Perplexity now? Just go through into Perplexity. I know, because I didn't even know that still going to Google? Why aren't you going to Perplexity now? Yeah, why aren't you going to Perplexity? I know, because I didn't even know that was a thing I had to do. Oh, you want a pro count? Yes.

I have some coupon codes. Send me a coupon code, my little boy. Yeah, I can give you a free year. I'll take a free year of Perplexity. Especially right before they're bought by Apple. Hey-o. Hey-o. Hey-o. Anyway. It's great.

I love things that are great. Okay, next story. Nvidia goes nuclear investing in Bill Gates' nuclear startup. First off, I used to say nuclear wrong, but anyway. I still do. I still do, but it's fine. So Bill Gates has a nuclear power startup called TerraPower. And it's very interesting because I've grew up in the 80s.

So I grew up in the time when nuclear was super scary. Right? It was Chernobyl, it was China syndrome, it was Three Mile Island. It was very much like nuclear bad, everything else good. And I think there was a little bit of bad press when it came to that. Well, to be fair, there was some bad times.

There was some bad times, there was some bad times. But nuclear is actually not a inherently bad way of making energy. It's actually very energy efficient. It's clean as far as the off product, like when you're like, oh my god, but all the nuclear waste. Because we've been trained like the fucking Simpsons, like barrels of nuclear waste being hidden in a fucking mountain.

You know what I mean? But when you actually see the numbers, the amount of electricity you can generate and the little amount of nuclear waste that it makes, you start to go, why are we so afraid of this? And we've stopped kind of iterating on the technology for the most part when it comes to the government. Because everybody was like, not in my backyard, you know what I mean, NIMBY or whatever it's called. Yeah, but the thing is that that was the old nuclear.

Right, 100%, this is what I'm saying. But I still, until I read this, and I knew, I'd seen Bill Gates talking about how he was like, I think nuclear is a way forward. Also, small reactors, I think, are really interesting. The idea that your house could have its own small nuclear reactor that powers the house for the life of the house. So there is no grid, you know what I mean?

Or they were talking about with this, it's data centers. And then you think about how much energy that AI is using up. I know I think OpenAI has already talked to them about, or has even invested in them to be like, bring us nuclear. So Nvidia has now gotten into the thing. And this makes sense to me because of the fact of the power consumption of AI, and Nvidia being the chip of AI, so they're like please.

We're in trouble. Well, or not, right? Like, this works. No, but America is in trouble. This needs to be an all hands on deck emergency moment to get more power to the United States. Without a doubt. Really? Oh, 100%.

Holy shit. Dude, so here's the deal. Yeah, hit me, hit me, man. Shine, so imagine all the power capacity in the United States right now, okay? So just imagine, let's call it 10, okay? That's everything. China, to their grid and their power capacity,

is adding the entire capacity of the United States every single year. To their- You mean increasing their capacity of energy. Increasing their capacity of the entire United States every single year. To their- You mean increasing their capacity of energy. Increasing their capacity of the entire United States every single year. Jesus. Yes.

It is like all, we are gonna, this is, so about a year ago, I- Who knew? So there's just two things. One, we're invested in a company, True Ventures, called the Nuclear Company, which is, they are focused on helping America win this new nuclear race, which is gonna be small nuclear reactors at scale.

And so about a year ago, I started talking about this on Tim's podcast, and this is not investment advice, but I talked about how I made an investment in a company called New Scale Power, which is this is one of the very few publicly traded and I do, I, they, this is the riskiest of the risky because there's no revenue here because it takes a while to get these spun up. So this is non-investment vice again, but it's done well.

It's up a couple hundred percent since a year ago, but they were one of the first to get approval from the DOE, which is the DOE which oversees all nuclear everything. And so they got approval for their small reactor plan. Which takes a long time. That's one of the things they talk about in this article, was that they're- They're gonna fast track this stuff.

But the thing is, the cool thing is, what they figured out now is they have a game plan for these nuclear reactors that can literally be in your backyard, not literally in your backyard, but like in your neighborhood. And they can take up a couple city blocks. And the way that they will assemble them is largely almost everything is gonna be

self-contained underground. And so there'll be self-sealing as well through any issues whatsoever. So the attack factor is minimal because everything is underground. It's first of all, it's super tiny. And that's actually what you want because you want more less massive,

big single point of failure reactors and a much more distributed grid of smaller reactors all over the place. And so if they can pull that off and they have a game plan of a working set of modern plans that's safe, efficient, and you can stamp them out, now you can go crazy and put a hundred of these around the United States, right?

Do you think about them putting it out in the Palisades? Right. Because that is an area that's gonna be densely populated that is completely flat and needs to be completely re-designed from the ground up. Yeah, I mean, we're gonna have to do this all over the place. Yeah. completely redesigned from the ground up. Yeah, I mean we're gonna have to do this all over the place. Yeah.

And so I don't think, there's a lot of companies that are now in the race here. Tera Power looks like an awesome one obviously. I think Engineering Resources are gonna focus a lot on power over the next decade. It's gonna be nuts. Well I thought, the other thing is that this blew my mind. I learned this like a couple years ago and I was like, oh my God, the idea of energy and energy storage not necessarily being battery. So what they're doing is that they're doing

molten salt storage. So essentially they take the energy that's being generated and they melt salt and then they can use that salt to quench water that then causes steam which then powers electrical turbines that then allows you to utilize the energy. So like some of the stuff that's like the kinetic energy storage or the like

mechanical energy storage like where you literally have like, they have solar farms where they'll have a giant rock and a wench at the top of a ramp. And during the day when they're generating the solar, they wench, the excess solar wenches the rock up. And at night when the solar is done, it slowly lets the rock down causing an electric turbine

Yes, yes, I heard about this. I was like this is a fucking battery That's just literally a rock going up and down a fucking it blew my mind. Is there a Greek mythology around this concept? Yeah, yeah, yeah It's a fucking Sisyphus energy battery But it's actually it's called mechanical energy storage, or kinetic energy storage, where they literally will like, use the excess energy to move a physical thing, and then, just like an electric car going down,

it fuckin' generates electricity already. That's so cool. And then in the morning pulls the fuckin' rock up. I mean, that's how a lot of these, Crazy? A lot of these wave-based ones that sit in the ocean. 100%, yeah, 100%. Same idea, like, lifts lifts it up and yeah.

And wind, you know what I mean? But to be able to store energy in a way that's kinetic that has nothing to do with batteries and lithium and Well we haven't even talked about quantum storage. Fuck me. Which I just made it up, but it's gonna be a thing at some point. That's going to happen.

That is a fucking fact. We shouldn't get that domain name. I'm sure it's taken. Just Google it. Just Google it. I'm sure it exists. All right. All right, let's talk about the iOS

alpha that is currently happening. And we have our deepest V. The Lord of Vs. CEO of the new dig.com. The Queen V. Please, it's just V. Mr. V is my father. Mr. V is my father. Just call me V.

I'm really happy to be here. I am, I believe I'm screen sharing. Am I? I am indeed. Yeah, so this is me just calling out, this is at Justin on there. You can notice we got a new little badge on there for all of our dig staff members

and the team that's in there. So you can tell when they're interacting, which is a lot of fun. But I know we've gotten a ton of questions about gems. Yeah. So I have gems. Yes. I have 15. What are, oh, I think I might have more gems than Kevin.

You probably do. Can you guys go more like high context here? What are we looking at? Who gets access to this? Yes. Oh, oh, roll it back. Yeah, what is the dig alpha? That's a great question for iOS.

It looks like you were about to say something. Were you not? Me? Yeah, maybe you weren't, maybe you weren't. No, you got the big dig energy, you take it. So, about a week ago, we rolled out the dig alpha through test flights, so if you're on iOS, I think we've got about 5K-ish in there right now,

and we've got people poking around using the app right now. This is, now if you start in here, this is actually your account. You're building your around using the app right now. This is, now if you start in here, this is actually your account. You're building your account as you go right now. So there's no wipe before? No, no, this is all live. This is it, this is you. I didn't know that actually.

And now I have a lot of shit that I'm like. I've been thinking about the stuff you've been posting and I thought the same thing. We don't have the NSFW turn on yet. No, no, no, it's fine, it's fine. It's totally fine. And so you can. When does the NSFW go live by the way, no, no, it's fine. It's fine. It's totally fine. And so you can- When does the NSFW go live, by the way?

Well, I mean, technically it is live now. But how can you find the stuff that is- It's- Well, I'm just asking for friends. I just want some gems. I just want to harvest my gems in the NSFW. The stuff now will blur, friend. Oh, it blurs it.

OK. But there's no category yet for it. There's really no place to post NSFW. I'm just letting- No, I know. I hear you. I post NSFW. I'm just letting, I mean, you- No, I know, I hear you. I'm not into it. I'm just letting you know. I mean, art, yeah, that's true.

Art. But then it's art. I've seen some weird food. Then it's art. That's true. And so, okay, so the app is live right now, which means the content that we're seeing here being posted by people on the Digg app,

and they're utilizing it right now, which is awesome. So excited. I only buried that post, by the way, because it's asking me to bury that post said, let's try to bury this as far as we can. So the cool thing about it right now, aside from the fact that it's all live is that we're taking feedback from everybody who's in there. We created a channel specifically called slash dig. Now this is the official channel here where people are giving feedback.

They're talking about what they want to see. They're talking about what they wanna see. They're talking about what they hate. They're letting us know all the awesome and terrible things that are happening right now. The platform as well as giving ideas, suggestions, what have you, all the good things. And so one of the things that I've been seeing a lot is the question around gems.

Yes. What are gems? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's a great question. We are constantly working on this. And let me explain the thinking around gems. So when we started thinking about DIG and, you know, in speaking with Kevin and Alexis about, you know, what does it take to make a platform like this work?

There are a number of different personas and archetypes of people that show up every day. You've got the people that post content, you've got the people that are commenting on those posts, some of them are funny, some of them are informative or empathetic, what have you. But one of the archetypes that we identified, and it's kind of an unsung hero,

particularly in these places where you've got upvoting and and down voting that exist here are the people that curate that space that show up every single day. They browse by recently added and they're just like sifting through all of the content, all the mail coming in and they're putting into categories like, hey, this is great. Hey this right here, it's probably a little less relevant. Hey, this is kind of a low quality piece of content. And so they're sifting through all of these things. And so one of the ways that we thought about this was,

what if we had a metric where if you were early on a piece of content that reached a certain threshold, let's call it escape velocity, like it really took off, what would it look like for the earliest people to earn a certain amount of gems? And you know, as the time went on for these escape velocity posts, you know, you're in a second tranche, maybe it's like a little less and then it's a lesson. Eventually, you don't earn gems for it. So it's like being early to content that really takes off on the platform. It's like when you say you found a band before anybody else. That's right. I called that like five years ago.

You're like the album in that shirt. The first shirt, not the second shirt. Yeah. Little gems. Early adopters. Not early adopters, early hunters. Yeah, they're discoverers, if you will. I love the idea of like the Civ.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's it. Yeah. Now listen, we know that at a very basic level, we've heard from a lot of people, well, why not just go through and just like dig everything from recently added so that you always have a shot at doing it. So there's a couple things on that. And again, we are very much still fine tuning this thing. You know, we are looking at that behavior.

It's pretty easy to see. And there are ways to discourage that sort of behavior from just blanket digging everything as you go down there. You know, we want to see your curation with the things that you identify with, that you like. Now that said, it is a fine balance. We don't want you to be discouraged from digging things and to be, you know, really thinking it's like a scarcity and being really stingy with the digs.

Like the things you like, but just know like, there is that balance that we are fine tuning where we wanna see people really taking part in that act of curation. And so it's a constant work in progress, everything from how we're looking at certain behaviors to what those thresholds look like as escape velocity approaches. And it's really just kind of a constant conversation

with the community, what's working, what's not. And I think it's a newer idea for how to do this. We're gonna see how it goes. We are. I mean, I've not heard of any social media company coming out and being like, we're just gonna let people in and see what they think. I'm like, oh my God, why would you do that?

But I've been seeing a lot of the, because I'm in the alpha and I've been using it every day. I mean, it's crazy how quickly it became the dig of old to me, where I was just like, oh yeah, this is fucking, great poop scrolling. You know what I mean? Fucking love this. And then it was like interesting to see things

that were commenting, because I'm also in the company Slack, and so it's interesting to see stuff that I pick up on that people are like, hey, this is interesting, or I'm bumping on this in people's comments and then seeing it reflected in what you guys are all talking about behind the scenes as far as like, hey, this popped up. I'm like, dude, this is happening in real time.

It is crazy and super iterative. And every time I get a new email about a new test flight build, I'm like, oh my God, what's it gonna look like? Yeah, it's cool. And even when I come in here to do Dignation and I'm just seeing people's, like the stuff that hasn't even matriculated out to the alpha, I'm like, oh god, that's good.

I can't wait to see that. It's been really fantastic. Yeah, the builds are coming fast and furious now. I feel like we're kinda gaining some momentum there, which is great. But I think one thing to add on to what Justin's saying is that ultimately what we're trying to figure out here is kind

of reputation and this recognition for that heavy lifting that you're doing and also the ability to have an eye for what is important, right? And so you can imagine we have a fixed taxonomy right now, but eventually this is going to go open pretty broadly, right? Anybody can create any niche community they want to create. Yeah, so you can have, there's a world where there is a community that's dedicated to whatever it may be that you're into,

call it like, you know, Tesla's full self-driving advocates or whatever. And no, but if you go in there, you should be able to build a reputation and say, like, I'm good at submitting stories here, commentary here, whatever it may be, however you good at submitting stories here, commentary here, whatever it may be, however you decide to show up that the community says, hey, that person is awesome,

gems will most likely play some type of role in that whole thing where you're able to see, oh, this person's really well known in these five different categories or these different spaces because they've taken the time to do the heavy lifting there. And it has some interesting implications for where it can go on the platform.

One of the things that Kevin and I talked about was it's like, as humans, we are dynamic. Our interests are dynamic. Sometimes you meet somebody and you know them in one context and you had no idea of this other part of them that is so deep on something. Like Kevin, I trust Kevin's taste when he's like, oh man, I've been using this AI tool. It's wild.

Let's take a look. I don't trust Kevin's movie taste though, because he doesn't watch movies. And so it's like, I agree with that. I like good movies. He just got two gems for me. I like the cat movie, the flow.

The cat movie? Yeah, flow. Flow is great. Everybody loves flow. I like deep V T-shirts from Justin. Yeah, you're Justin on that. I trust you on that. Trust you on that.

By the way, only said one movie and then moved on. So you're right. Damn it. Agreed. I was hoping you wouldn't notice. To be fair, I think it's actually the other way around. It's just he asked me for movie recommendations. I'm like, oh man, it's so good.

And then you're like, I hated it. You know what's good? I hated it. Any Predator animated movie? The voice acting. Awesome. The best. Chef's kiss. Mostly one old Viking guy, some dying Vikings,

and a guy getting yeeted out of a plane, but all the other voices are good. I heard it's the new Wilhelm scream that we're gonna be hearing. You just said yeeted. Yeeted, yeah. It's common vernacular now. It's aged up.

We can use it. We're allowed to use it. We can? Yes. Why could I not use yeeted? Like six months ago you We can use it. We're allowed to use it. We can? Yes. Why would it? Why could I not use Yeeted? Like six months ago you couldn't use it. Yeah, you have to wait until something moves into the public domain.

The young people start with like, we can't say bussin' bussin' yet, but in about six months we'll be able to say it. I don't want to say bussin' bussin'. No, you will be. You say that. You wouldn't have wanted to say Yeeted six months ago, but now you do. Yeah, that's true. It's funny.

I feel like I was saying Yeeted six months ago, but maybe I'm being weird. You thought you were. It's only if you've been a few weeks. Oh, interesting. It's funny, I feel like I was saying you did six months ago, but maybe I'm not being clear. You thought you were, it's only a few weeks. Oh, interesting. It's percolating back there. And then you have enough drinks and the yeet just comes out. I mean, I've yeeted a lot of stuff out of my ass when it comes to these drinking stuff. Oh.

Well, Justin, on that note. Justin, on that lovely note. Is there any way for people to get into the alpha? No. Yes, yes there is. If you are in Groundbreakers, we did put up a post about it. That lovely note. Is there any way for people to get into the alpha? No. Yes, yes there is. If you are in Groundbreakers, we did put up a post about it. So if you're active in Groundbreakers right now

and you are in that community, you can let us know on that thread. I think there's a form there to give your Apple ID, and we can let you into that. And then coming up soon, we've got the Android app for testing. So actually by the time this comes out, that should already be out. So I'm gonna say this past tense,

the Android app also came out. Oh, it's so good too. It's bug free. Just we have- I heard it's incredible. I've heard it's amazing. Absolutely. I just downloaded the source code for Dig like an hour ago.

And Dator's like, you have to commit something. So I'm going to fix a bug. There was a bug. We didn't expire the cache. And I know how to do it now. So I'm going to do it. Justin, can we get a little bit of a tour of the app? I know you talked about it.

Oh, sure. Oh, sure. Can we have a look at it? By the way, some of the top stories, one top story today had over 200 digs on it, which is like awesome to see. Let me close this out. Let me reopen it so it's a little,

it's springing on its step. Dig merch, 143 digs on this one. I'm waiting for this. Merch is coming. Merch is coming. Merch is coming? You found a provider? Yeah, yeah.

A good one? Yeah. Like good shit? Good. Like not shitty shit. Only the best. Good shit, yeah. We got the good stuff. But some shitty shit that's good.

It's a little shitty, okay. No, but like good shitty. I need better stickers. This is the best sticker I've got and it's not that good. Shut up, man. First off, why stickers? I feel like stickers were very... That's why everybody likes the little extra stickers.

Yeah, come on. Okay, yeah, stickers. Let's do stickers. Wine bottle? Yeah. I mean, first off, my wine bottle goes away. Yeah, that's true. You need to do the decanters.

Dig decanters, Dignation decanters. Dignation mascot decanter. I mean, that's Voltron. Boom. Oh, what happened to the finger flipping people off on the dig button? Is that gone? People don't like my icon for the spade icon

that looks like it's pointing up and aade icon that looks like it's pointing up and a spade that looks like it's pointing down because they think it looks like, I have a lot of options. We got a lot of concepts I've kicked around. Expect them to make their way into the app so it's not so confusing. Let me take you for a quick spin around the Dig app.

Now, right here, we're on that home feed. That home feed has four different ways to browse it. You've got trending, which is like within a 24 hour period, what has ranked the highest in there. Based on engagement, there's a couple different factors. We're kind of fine tuning in there. You've got most dug, what has the most digs. You've also got newest, which is just a chronological feed

of everything based on those actual communities you're following. And we've also got heating up, which is a much faster trending, which is I think right now every two hours, I think we're gonna speed it up though. Maybe once every hour, maybe once every, who can know what it's looking like?

Now, within your feed, you can click on to any of these right here. And this is a link style post where somebody has taken a link. They've posted that specific link in the technology community. And communities are where these topical discussions happen right now. Fixed taxonomy, but it will open up so we can go over to technology right there. And we can actually see what is every post that is related to the technology community and you can see all of that going on. One quick question.

Yeah. Can someone go use an external web browser if they want to and they want to open a link? Absolutely. Yeah. If you go to- Is that a new setting? You know, I think it's actually been in there. The bottom right icon is open in your external web browser. Oh, I didn't know that.

Yeah. Well, I didn't know that. Yeah. Well, now you do. I love that Kevin is trying to poke holes. No, no, hey, hey, I'll take it. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's try to break it. One more question, one more question. Oh, yeah, yeah. Wait, go back to the screen though.

One question in the back. Go back to what? Go back to the screen, there we go. So talk about the TLDR and stuff like that. Yeah, so the TLDR written by DigIntelligence is a small summary of what you'll find contained therein from the source that it comes from. So this is a YouTube and it says,

John Oliver discusses the rise of AI generated content, its potential harm and its impact on his personal life in the latest episode of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver, a little meta, if you will. I love when it was like, fuck John Oliver. Like the AI was like- There's no opinions. This guy's bashing AI, here's an. But here we are. I would love if it was like fucked on all over. Like the AI was like. There's no opinions. This guy's bashing AI.

Here's an AI bash back, bitch. Now on that, you know, I think here's, here's kind of what we're seeing is like, there was kind of an internal debate on TLDRs because we were like, we want people to go to the source content. We want people, if there's a topic that interests you, it should go beyond that headline. And so one of the coolest things that we are hearing

is that like, their likelihood to click on it, or at least for some people anecdotally has increased because they are getting those TLDRs, which then gives them a jumping off point or a frame of reference outside of just a headline, which as we all know, headlines can be written a number of different ways. A lot of times just clickbaity or attention grabbing,

but ultimately the content might be really helpful. And so if we can still be a place and a source where people are deciding they want to engage with content deeper, I think that's a huge win. That said, if you're not a fan of those TLDRs, if you click minimize on there, where it truncates that now it's in a collapse state, we're going to remember that setting for you. And we're not going to start it unrolled for you. And if you want to engage in them later, go ahead, open them up, that's up to you. This is kind of our thinking when it comes to AI assist on these sort of experiences, we want this to feel like

you can fine tune this thing. If you want it out of the way, you should be able to minimize it and have it take minimal real estate on that screen for you. A question. This guy's got another question. No, the one thing I know we've talked about this before, I'm curious when it's in the, I haven't been up to speed with the roadmap and everything. When comments get to, let's say, several hundred comments, something's getting really hot and heated in there, TLDR is on comments

and kind of giving people a quick, before they jump in, is that soonish or is that? It is. So the conversation summary is kind of what we call it. And yeah, ultimately, you've got a certain threshold of comments that have come in. You want to see generally what has the discussion been on this. That does exist.

However, that is actually behind a discrete action of clicking on it, like I want this conversation summary. And the reason why we made this decision at Digg was ultimately, again, we want the best technology to help us make the web more efficient, to be able to browse. I think discovery is an incredibly powerful area that we can use AI to do.

But what's really important on Digg is that the human experiences should feel deeply human. And we wanna make sure it's out of the way for those sorts of things. And so comments are one of those things where we've realized there's so much that's captured within commentary, with the way people show up, how they talk about things,

the sarcasm, the humor. And so we wanna make sure that that is at the forefront to be able to browse. And sure the conversation summary can be a really quick way just to see at a high level what are these conversations about. You can use it as a tool to dig a little deeper and say, okay, actually, I do want to read these comments. But we really want the human aspect to be at the forefront of these experiences to keep

what is human human and to keep technology in a place where it makes the most sense. I love this man. Yeah baby. Congrats on all the progress dude. I know you've been working your ass off on this and you know it's been fun to work with you on it and see this actually up and running and in your hands. We've got a long way to go. We've definitely you know we've got obviously the web browser version of it that I know

a lot of folks are asking for that should be up very shortly. We've been internally testing it over here that's what Kevin loves to use and we'll be out there shortly really really excited about what's happening honestly it's because we have an incredible team and an incredible community around us that is why we move so fast and so I may be the really fast speaker box forward at the moment but ultimately it's an incredible team and community around us. So thanks to those of you who have taken part in the Alpha and also thanks to our incredible team.

Awesome. Are we gonna do this? Yeah, thank you, Jessen. Thank you. Oh my God, I got a, oh my God, I got a fucking dig notification. You did, what did it say? First elected aircraft lands in JFK.

Oh my God, somebody responded to one of my dig posts. That is fucking fucking that's cool I'm not I mean that happened real time and maybe they pushed it over there cuz they were like he's recording Let's just send this to his watch. I don't know how this tech works, but that was pretty fucking cool guys We have two stories insulin people are not dying and then also Chad's you can make them in we'll bake them in okay Chad's you be T insulin people again, okay? That's it. I think we're done. World's first human, yeah, that's all I got.

Kevin, I'm just gonna say, I appreciate that by the end of an episode of Dignation, you seem a little drunk. Dude, I get proxy drunk from sitting next to you. Is this just my breath? I told you this. Alcohol is just coming towards you. I told you this before.

Well, I get slappy and silly when someone else is around me and is like that and matches that energy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Before the camera started rolling, I said, Alex, we should do this in a sauna so that your vapor just comes off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I just get proxy drunk.

Just get drunk by hypnosis. Yeah, exactly. But this has been fun. Would you totally do that? This has been fun. It's always fun. Thank you for supporting me in my sober journey. Take as long as you want.

I don't say it like that. And I'm here. And I'm here when you're ready. Like 10 people have done that where they're like, oh you're not drinking? Oh, just okay. You're gonna be, and I'm just like, Jesus, like was it that bad?

No, no, no. We want you to be drinking so then we don't feel bad in reflection. But I'm okay. You're fine. Okay, good. I'm just saying. I just feel like people have been like, oh, oh, oh, shit.

I'm drinking a whole bottle of wine. Somebody said to me, like, oh, Josh, should I not drink around you? And I'm like, no, drink. Oh, dude, I get that. Yeah, and it's not like you're not gonna do that. No, wow, yeah. When I did my, I mean, unless you need,

and that's the thing, unless you were like, Don't say that! Don't say that, you're doing it again. I'm just saying, if there was something I could do to support my friend. I can't wait till you start, stop drinking for like a month. You're gonna get some bad liver enzymes. What?

First of all, don't throw bad liver enzymes at me like that. Just magically sprinkle bad liver enzymes at me. What are you doing? That's unhealthy. I did just send you some bad liver enzymes. You're like, here's something, bad liver enzymes. I was like, oh, I felt it in my liver. You walked out of there like, this guy is like, fuck, Kevin. I'm sweating, I gotta go, stop, I felt it in my liver. You walked out of there like, I'm sorry.

You're like, fuck, Kevin, you took me in my liver. I gotta stop, I gotta stop, bad liver, I'm sorry. No, you're not gonna get bad liver inside of me. No, but I'm sweating. Open wide. Let me just take my jacket off. That's not a jacket, it's a shirt. It's not how it's working.

Okay, look at this. Oh my god, I see what's happening. Okay. This is what's happening. I know, a little mouth is like, come on. I need that deep V. Okay, let's go. Yeah, that's all right.

Thank you, everyone. I don't know what. Okay, let's go. Thank you everyone. I don't know what they meant and we'll see you again soon. It just meant thank you. Thank you everybody for watching this episode of Dig Nation. I'm Alex Albrecht. I'm Kevin Rose at Kevin Rose on the dig alpha and the beta. Yes, and at Alex because I was smart enough and I just said, I can get that name.

So boom, on the things. We will see you next time. Thank you. Love you. Bye.