Diggnation (rebooted) - AI Browsers, Boozy Breakthroughs, and Batmobile Dreams | E22 | Diggnation

Episode Date: October 29, 2025

In this episode, we go full spectrum, from the rise of AI-powered web browsers like ChatGPT’s Atlas and OpenAI’s latest updates, to what it’s actually like hitting six months sober and realizing Jack Daniels might still text back.We celebrate some new EV purchases (yes, there’s a BMW iX involved), talk about Rivian’s new electric bike, and break down one of the boldest art heists in modern history, where a crew literally used a bucket truck to steal royal jewels from the Louvre.Somewhere between Apple’s innovation slump, the philosophy of consciousness, and the idea that our brains are just rendering reality like a bad GPU, we try to make sense of existence one story at a time.Basically, it’s us doing what we do best: chasing tech, culture, and absurdity until it all makes some kind of sense.📝 Key Points• Kevin hits six months sober and talks about resetting his relationship with alcohol• Alex unveils his new BMW iX EV and breaks down its design and performance• New AI-powered browsers like ChatGPT Atlas shake up how we search the web• Kevin orders the new Rivian electric bike with 100-mile range and smart features• Breakthrough retina-implant tech gives vision back to people with macular degeneration• Deep dive into consciousness, perception, and whether reality is just “rendered” in our brains• Debate over Apple’s next AI move: build its own model or partner with OpenAI or Google• Meta’s identity crisis and why the company keeps missing real innovation• Why a 500-mile EV range could change how drivers emotionally connect to electric cars• The Louvre Museum jewel heist: thieves, a bucket truck, and French security fails• Reflecting on time, mortality, and the truth that every 100 years everyone is new• Finding meaning in the moment instead of doom-scrolling through negativity⏱ Chapters00:00 Intro05:00 The Shirtening Cometh: Computer Costume Creativity12:00 Louvre Larceny: Art Theft Gone Wild17:00 Brain Zaps for Gym Motivation19:00 AI Browsers: The Future of Web Surfing?27:00 Kevin’s Crypto Conundrum30:00 The Great Car Reveal: Alex’s New Ride37:00 Electric Dreams: The Future of EVs43:00 Two-Wheeled Freedom: Kevin’s E-Bike Adventure48:00 Seeing Is Believing: Retina Implant Breakthroughs54:00 The Philosophical Rabbit Hole1:02:00 Time Flies: The Fleeting Nature of Existence1:07:00 Living in the Moment: Kevin’s Life Philosophy1:11:00 Apple’s Appetite for AI: To Build or to Partner?1:17:00 The Meta Muddle: Facebook’s Identity Crisis1:21:00 iPhone Woes: Apple’s Production Predicament1:24:00 Wrapping Up: Sober Reflections and Future Fun🪒 SponsorsMonarch – Get 50% off your first year when you use code DIGG at monarch.comHenson Shaving – Use code DIGG at HENSONSHAVING.com/DIGG to get a free pack of 100 blades with your razor purchase. You must add both the blades and the razor for the discount to apply.Claude (by Anthropic) – Sign up at claude.ai/DIGG to get 50% off Claude Pro for your first three months.Mizzen & Main – Visit mizzenandmain.com and use code DIGG20 for 20% off your first purchase.

Coming up on the show, I surprised Kevin with a new car purchase. I surprised him with a mystery vehicle, and if you raise your hand to AI, it works harder. Oh, I've even told that. Welcome to Dignation. Also potentially hazardous to your health. All right, moving on. Why do you have flies in your freaking house? I noticed this earlier.

It's Southern California and I have fruit. You put zombie and you put kids. in the title, and I don't want to do it. Dignation.com. Hello everybody, and welcome to Dignation, episode number 22. I'm Alex Albrecht. And I'm Kevin Rose. Dignation covers some of the hottest user-submitted stories on the social news website, dig.com, DIGWG.com.

That is correct. Welcome, everybody. Kevin, I noticed that you're still rocking, and congratulations. Early. It's early congratulations. Don't jinxby. No, no, it's congratulations for today. Okay.

Not like any milestones. Speaking of, is there a milestone coming up? Tomorrow? The no drinking? It's six months. Wow. I'm not going to change it because if I said I'm going to go six months, then tonight I just go all in.

Yeah, that would be horrible. It would be horrible. But I'm close. So six months, was that, was that a goal that you had or did the, because it felt like the goalpost kept moving? It did. Yeah, it started off for three months. And then I was like, okay, I still don't feel the benefit of it all.

Yeah. And then four months, still don't feel it. And then I just was like, around month four or five, I was like, okay, I want to go to six. Okay. And now I'm kind of, I'm kind of good. I'm kind of good. But the new improved version of me is going to be out. Oh.

Yes. You're going to shed the skin of the old alcoholic Kevin and come back. Shining Phoenix of no booze on weekend. Okay, let me tell what I've realized. And you've done this. You've done three months. I've done three months. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Four. Four. So around month five was when I just had. had this release of the crazy cravings. I still have a little cravings, but like the serious cravings of like, ah, why am I doing this? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're kind of like, ah, do I need to go another month?

I've been so good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All the stories keep coming up in your head. And then I had this weird moment where I slept and I woke up and I was kind of sweaty. And I just, the cravings were gone. After five months? Yeah, it was kind of like this thing where I felt like my body was just the last dish.

Yeah, I was holding on to it. Like, we just need this in here because we haven't gotten enough of it. And then that, once that's gone, I feel a lot better in terms of the cravings aren't there. I just know that the future Kevin Drinker is one where it is a luxury, a night, every once in a while, a special occasion, if you will. So I did, I feel like we talked about this, but like. Oh, we've talked about this a lot. When I think. Never done it, but we've talked about it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you did. You did it. No, I know, but we've never done like. Like, normally it's like, oh, it should be a luxury. And then like three weeks for now, we're like, yeah, it's seven years on Dignation. Seven, crack. Dignation is a luxury thing.

It is. It is. Pleasure to be here. But it's funny because I think back to like my relationship with alcohol started in college, as I'm sure a lot of people's did. And it was about drinking at parties, essentially. That was sort of it. but we had a lot of parties and then I remember

I was just thinking back a while ago when I was kind of going through this and I was thinking like when I came out of college and like moved to L.A was I drinking every night? You know what I mean? And the answer is I don't think so. I don't think I was either.

I think it was like Saturday night we'd go out for drinks and you know what I mean? Go to a club or or you know go do something or like I would have a date that's the other thing is you know I was single, so I would be like, I have a date.

I'm going to drink on the date. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. I drank on dates for sure. Because you were like so nervous. Oh, of course. And to have like three or four drinks, especially if the other person was drinking. Yeah.

It just made it so much easier. But like I lived by myself. So I never, I wasn't like sitting at home having a bottle of wine or opening a bottle of wine or having a glass of Jack Daniels. But now it feels like that is 100% something I do. Yeah. Where it's like, oh, it's the evening. Okay, well, I have a little Jack Daniels and wine down. even though I'm by myself.

Like, Heather's got a rehearsal or a gig or something. You know what I mean? Right. So it's interesting to be like how much better it would be health-wise if I got back to that relationship with alcohol. And it feels like you have to take a meaningful amount of time off. Yeah, I think that's right. To be able to get back into that headspace.

Because it's so easy to be like, okay, well, I'm not going to drink tonight. And then 8 o'clock comes around and you had a really nice dinner. And you're like, I mean, I drank all the other nights. Like, who gives this shit about tonight? You know what I mean? Oh, for sure. I did have a cold last week. Yeah.

I had a cold, and it was great because I didn't drink for four days. And you... Because I had a cold. Like during the day? At all, because I was like... My usual lunchtime was... Yeah. I had to put that to bed.

You know, my Yeager at lunch. Yeah. Yeah, you know, you have a meeting. You have a three Yeager lunch. You know, everyone does that. So that's... So what do you have an idea of what that new version of Kevin and alcohol looks like? I think what it is with a special occasion, it's like, what is truly, what would you classify as a special occasion?

Yeah. And that would be a Friday night. Tuesdays. No, no, no, but like if you go out on like a Friday night and you meet up with a friend. Yeah. Okay. Great. Yeah.

But also, where is the, what's the max? Yeah. Because it's not only is it duration and consistency, but it's maximum. And I think max forever for the rest of my life. maybe not all the time most of the time two five two

you prefer that I was just putting my hand up no you were not that was a five two two okay no don't look at me I'm not scolding you yes exactly two is like two is the new four

after after six months that's the other thing one when you have I was going to say when you have your first you'll have to record yourself after the first oh no hi this is Kevin I've had one drink

I just like take a sip just face plant into the table Yeah, so listen, I think you, we have to ask ourselves a question in that, you know, globally. Let's just say that, no, let's just say that I meant you and I. Let's just say we get up to 50, which we're marching towards. Oh, I was like, Jesus Christ, I'm blue past 50 drinks. No, not 50 drinks.

When you get to 50, what do you want the next 20 years of your life to look like? Because that will be 70. And so are you going to continue the same five a night until you're 70? I mean, that's not a good idea. That's right. That's correct. I mean, when you say it out loud, that's not a good idea. Also a bad idea.

Also a bad idea. I don't know. I mean, I don't. Obviously, I don't think so. But I think if you had asked me if I was 35. And you'd be drinking like this in your 40s, you were like, hey, are you going to be drinking? multiple Jack Daniels every single night

for your 40s I think I probably would have said God, no, that's horrible. Oh, totally. I think to me the problem is that I'm healthy you know what I mean? So it's like it's like it kind of feels like

but again the whole point is it's like the canary in the coal mine right? Like the whole point is you don't want to go ooh I'm now unhealthy the, oh, I need to stop drinking for my health. It's like you want to get to a place where you can still enjoy alcohol because I really do enjoy like wine tasting.

Yeah. I mean, like, good old little bottle of huge. Yeah. And fucking Jack Daniels is my friend, man. He's just a hard. He's so weird. It's a hard man to put down. That you went in Jack Daniels.

That is so mine, like, there are so many other good drinks. Why did you go to Jack Daniels? I honestly I mean I've told the story for years on the on the podcast like my grandfather was a big Jack Daniels fan it's still very confusing to me and then and then I just sort of was like Jack Daniels and then Heather's whole family they're all Jack Daniels like it's like a very sort of like it's just our drink and to be fair I've had all these other whiskeys and I always just go back to like I dig the taste of a Jack Daniels you know what I mean Jack on the Rocks it's all rituals Yeah. And I know it. You know what I mean? I had a buddy that was Johnny Walker Black, and it was just like his thing. That's interesting.

They're not crazy expensive, but it's also not the cheapest stuff. But it was just like, you know, you fall into that lane. Yeah. And that's your thing. Yeah. That's just what, that's my go-to. See, for me, that was champagne. And I know that sounds super fluffy.

But it blew my mind, Kevin, when we got back together and you were like, yeah, my big thing is like, we drink champagne. I was like, champagne? Did champagne is good? All the things to choose? Listen, for me, it was like, how do I avoid the hangover? And champagne would avoid it. And also, I just felt lighter. I didn't feel, like, nasty and, like, heavy.

The bubbles. Yes, I don't know. Anyway. It's the effervescence. I just kept the bottle of champagne in my fridge, and people always appreciate it. Yeah. Nobody's mad when you pop a champagne. It sounds cool.

That's so funny. I don't like it. Especially casual. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Casual champagne? That's a great band name. That is a good band name.

Like a yacht rock style. Yeah. Casual champagne. Featured at the Long Beach Aquarium. That's great. Yeah, I never really dug. I never, oh shit, I was supposed to do something. But yeah, I never really dug champagne. It's just never my thing.

And then when everybody was like, oh, it's celebrate, have some champagne. I was like, I don't take any other drink to celebrate. You know what I mean? Well, look, congrats. Thank you. I'm very excited for you. I will definitely report back next to Ignatian. to let you know if I cracked or not.

So you may keep pushing on. It's not, but at that point, it's more just like, I haven't found the right opportunity to kind of go back in. Not that I'm like, oh, well, it's just got to be another 30 days where that won't be that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so if we make it to the next Ignation, and I haven't had a drink, I'll definitely have a glass of wine.

On the show? Sure. We got to get, we got to get after the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, after the show. Or before and be like, I can't have. Yeah, exactly.

I'm good. I just slurred my words. We'll have to get the will hooch out of the storage. Yeah, that's the other thing. If I'm going to drink, it's going to be good shit. Because this is like, it's fine. It's nice, but I just brought it for catalysts. Yeah.

I just gave something to do. Speaking of something to do, last episode, we talked ad nauseum about how awesome it was with the old school land parties and doing land parties. And we got a bunch of emails. So if you have emails, we want to hit us up, electronically send it to dignation at dig.com but we got an email from andrew uh and the subject is fancy dress party bring anything beginning with a C hi Kevin and Alex are your last Dignation episode E21 very nice of you Andrew uh when you talk about CRT monitors it remind me of the time I created

a fancy dress costume it was my cousin Claire's 30th birthday party and the theme was fancy dress anything beginning with the letter C. I've worked in IT most my career, so my first thought was computer. It even had working battery-powered fans just like an actual desktop tower, real glass screen. I've been a long-time

Dignation Watcher since way back in the revision three days, and I'd love for you to share this on the show. All the best, Andrew. Look at these. He built an actual old, like, this is probably what, like,

2002 Dell Workstation Oh my God With the freaking This is so smart Here's the problem I always have With these costumes You have to wear the costume

For the rest of the night Well anything that's big like that You're like stuck like how's he going to eat those fries Like with the fries in the table And supposedly it's a glass tape It's a glass And also he's inhaling all the lead From the CRT components

That have been in there for like 20 years Well no he made it out of Oh, okay, so that's not a real CRT. No, no, no, look, look. How do you get the Dell logo like that? Look at that. Oh, that's amazing. I don't know.

I probably peeled the Dell logo off. Nicely done. Yeah, I mean, this is, this is like, that's good stuff. That is good. Oh, my God. I still want to have a Halloween costume. Bro, Halloween's like. Tomorrow.

I know. So you don't know what you're going to do? I don't know. My kids want me to be Royal Kuma, Royal Kuma. What is that? It's like a bear. It's a bear thing. It's a bear thing.

It's a hard, long story. You know when the kids, they get into the stuff? Royakuma. Okay. And they got into, is it from like... Hello Kitty, I think. Oh, well, that's cool. Oh.

You know that guy, right? It's a dog. No, I don't, but it's adorable. Yeah, that's what my kids say. It's like a San Rio or something. Exactly. You should just order one on Etsy. You could definitely get a giant one of those.

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You know, everybody has to pick a username. Everybody has to pick a username. So did you hear about this? I did. I heard about this. So this is crazy. So it happened at 9.30 a.m. Paris time, this group of people, I almost said this group of guys

I'm assuming it's guys. Girls aren't really Thieves? What? Cat, cat. Catfies. Yeah, I guess. Every movie I've seen with a female heistis.

Of course. They're very attractive. Because they have to be. They've got to be gymnasts to be able to get in and out of windows and lasers. Yes, of course. Anybody in a tight cat suit ripping through lasers? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And Hathaway in Batman, Catwoman.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, I digress. So pretty crazy, A, when I saw the news, I was like, how the fuck did anybody steal anything from the Louvre, right? Just in general. Then to find out how they stole from the Louvre, I went, that is some shoddy security. there. Well, give me the breakdown because I know they came in through the upper window.

So they drove a truck that had one of those like bucket things, the European version of like the AT&T guy that goes up in the bucket. They jumped in the bucket, cranked it up, shattered a window on the second floor to, I can't remember what the place is called. Hold on. It's called the Apollo Gallery. But it's where they were storing old royal jewels from France. So like, you know, So we're no tourists in there? So it was open. I don't believe there were tourists in there, but they timed it so that they broke in, stole a bunch of these old crown jewels, jumped back out, and by the time everything was going

off, there was like half a million people or like 150,000 people already in the Louvre that all had to leave because they had to force them all out. So there was a scrum of all these tourists that were just. just like piled around. So no one was watching the bucket truck. I don't think so, but that feels like how the fuck did you not, like how are there not 24-7 security all over, like to see a bucket truck pull up, people in catsuits.

They're hoisted up, sitting up to the top, shattering ago. Is there any video footage that came up about this or no? No, there was a picture. Here's a picture. This is the bucket truck. Oh, that's a big one. And now that I think about it, Maybe it's not even a bucket truck.

It almost looks like one of those, like, ladder things where, like, you can, like, lift up, like, what's it called, like, a drywall to the second story of a work window? Not as much, like, the crane, you know what I mean? The video footage of the thieves. Oh, so there's video footage of them in there? Yeah, they're dressed as construction people, yeah. Yeah.

There's a picture of two of them getting away. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So what did they look like? Is it... Here's a picture of the two of them. Wow, look how high the bucket truck went. Right.

Yeah, that's like... That's insane. I was thinking like... So here's a picture of the two of them running out of the loo. Oh, that's us. Yeah, damn it. Don't say that's us? Sorry, sorry.

Why would you put that in there? That is amazing. Who did that? These are the two people. This is from... It looks like icy, ice... icy lay ben i wish we still look like that benedetto i looked like that that's that is that is a real photo of me it is that somebody photoshopped oh my god that'd be so great um yeah

so they haven't been caught yet so they haven't been caught yet they found some of the jewels on like around the corner which is crazy they drop some of them they drop some of them yeah if you find those jewels oh bro would you how great would that be if you were just like oh my A crown. Yeah. Put it on, walk around, get fucking yeat it out of the fucking send. I don't know that. I kind of would want to keep it for a little bit.

I mean, a little bit. Yeah. You maybe put some pictures of you on it. Social media for sure. Look. Yeah. Got a crown. Henry the 8th.

No, no. It was Napoleon's third wife, I think, was the lady whose hat was stolen. I don't know. It's very interesting. But now, but the other thing that's crazy. is, I guess there have been now two other, prior to this, two other national museums in France that were burgled, I guess is the right term.

Prior to this. Prior to this. So it's like, France, what's going on with your security around your national treasures and your freaking, like the Natural History Museum? Somebody went in and robbed like $600,000 worth of gold from it? Yeah. Like, I just feel like...

Well, the sad thing is also the secondary market for this. I'm sure there are rich people that would buy this. But it's most likely going to get just popped out the jewels, sell them. Like, that's the big bummer. Which also feels like, are jewels really the thing anymore? Like, I feel like... Apparently. Well, yeah.

I mean, somebody stole a bunch of them. But it does. It feels like... Like, even, like, diamonds. I'm like, are people really buying diamonds still? Yeah. All right. You had me at, yeah.

Well. Anyway, so hopefully they'll catch these guys. That was one of the wild stories that I've seen in a long time. Right? I didn't expect what happened. I know. And then like, but how does that even happen? I don't know.

And then they just run? It is cool that it happened. They left the truck. I know. Well, you're not going to take the bucket truck as your getaway van. First of all. Well, but also, did they have a getaway van? I mean, there's so many questions.

So many. So many questions. I'm sure we'll find out with security cams in the couple of. mean, days. By the way, I know this is timely, and we're shooting it a little early, so there has been movement. But did you see the Dodgers got into the World Series again? Oh my lord, I'm so excited. Are you going to go? It's very expensive. Yeah. I looked at some tickets that were like not great tickets. It's not tenable. I have yet to go to a Dodger Stadium. I really want to go. Are you serious? Yeah. I should go next year. Let's go to the playoffs.

I went to like four games this year. Did you really? Yeah, there was so much fun. Okay. It's so much fun. And Dodger Stadium is like, I mean, it's one of the third oldest Cidium's in baseball. But they also do it right. Yeah, I've heard it's like a great stadium.

Oh, it's so fun. It's so fun. That's awesome. We got these tickets. They weren't even that expensive. So close. It was front row, just behind the dugout club on the side. So it was like really close. And I know why they were cheap is because it was a 110 game and there was no fucking shade. Heather and I nearly died.

You can bring the umbrellas and stuff or no. Yeah, but we didn't. It wasn't jeans, man. I had no idea that it was going to be out in the fucking center of the universe. Anyway, but go Dodgers. That's all good. Next story.

All right. Next story of the day. Open AI's AI power browser. ChatGPT Atlas is here submitted by RV. So another AI browser has hit the market. Now we have

this we have a comet by perplexity we have Google Chrome which has its own Gemini built in obviously you have to choose to use the Gemini stuff in Google Chrome right like it's more in your face now than it ever has been

like it's in the upper right hand corner now it's got the little Chrome thing have you seen this you've messed around with it I haven't even opened it yet no but I mean like I use Google Chrome I do not think that I'm using an AI browser but like some of these are full on AI browsers to be

fair, until I saw the video of the Open AI release, it didn't even really understand what an AI browser was. It's interesting. Yeah, it is. I mean, if you have to imagine that more of our browsing gets handed off and automated in ways, then something like this makes a lot of sense. Because we're going to a third party like Chat Chip-T or something to provide queries. If agents are acting on our behalf, it's less about, hey, go find me, or less about me browsing and then finding the right new balance shoes and my size and all that. You just tell your agent, like, go, hey, you know those new balance that I bought six months ago? Find me the same pair, but in the color black. It's like, boom, the browser just goes off

performance. Because if you look right now when you do a new tab here, you'll notice agent mode is one of the modes that they have at the very top, which is Ask Chat to BT to perform complex task for you in the browser. So you can say like find me size 11 new balance that Steve Jobs wore. And then basically this is going to go and it's going to launch a full on like its own little like browser and go browse on your behalf and come back to you with all the results. But I will say it's very different than chat GPT which is you know the interface that at the top here, they've kind of made it a lot more like a classical search in where you can do image mode, you can do all that stuff right at the top. And it's pretty

performant. It's not Google sub 10 milliseconds performant, but it's really fast. It's interesting to me that like how much of what I search for, and this is kind of that whole like, I don't know if it's the dead internet theory or what or what but like the idea that like I ask Google something where and before what it would do is it would send me to a YouTube video of how to do it or it would send me to a link of an article of how to do it and now it literally just says here's the AI suggestion and it's most of the time correct I don't know the last time I actually searched for something on Google and then went to a website right and I I feel like this is sort of the solution to killing all of those websites, you know what I mean?

Because this will take you to the website, but then you can on the side, you can be like, hey, so what does that mean? Or, hey, so is there any follow up on that? Right, right, right, right. You know what I mean? So it's like, it's an interesting, oh, it's taking me to Stock X. That's interesting. It's taking me all over the place.

So it's, you can watch as it browses for you, and it goes out and finds all the results, which is pretty cool. Wow. Because I've been, we talked about this on the show where like for me, because we were talking about having Hutchins on the show,

like I keep seeing things where like somebody would, I just watched this video but this guy who was like you can go to Japan on Japan Airlines first class. They're crazy new first class

on the A3801,000 I think or A3501,000, A3801,000. Anyway, for 80,000 points. Right. I want to fucking do that Like I would totally set up I would totally go

There's more definitely in the details there though I talked to Hutchins about this It's a little bit more complicated Than I don't remember all the details But he was telling me I thought the same thing I'm like I have to get on this deal right away Yeah yeah

But you have to get a Japan Airlines card Do you know about that? Oh what? So you have to get the points on their card So you had to get their actual airline card There's more to it's only one ticket So it's not Only one ticket

Meaning what, like one way? Yeah, well, I thought it was like, yeah, I think it's only one way. I don't, I remember what it was. There was something there where Hutch was what he told me. So you saw it and you were like, I want it. Oh, 100%. Oh, interesting. Are you going to get those?

I mean, I found the shoes. It's pretty cool. That's crazy. I guess the point being is that, okay, why are all the, while the company is doing this? Well, they have a shit ton of capital, so why not? Yeah. And if they can even capture large single digits market share of the browser market, Yeah.

And they know the future of browsing is a more immersive kind of lean back experience where you're not actually driving the outcome so much as the AI is. Then this is a tool. They want installed software on your machine to go and do these tasks on your behalf. It's different than running chat, GPT, and a browser. Yep, yep. You have more control when you actually have your own native app at the OS level, which is actually pretty interesting.

So it's a little Trojan horse. horse to get you comfortable installing an app that manages stuff for you. It's a use case that you understand right of the bat, right of the bat, and you just get this installed, and then over time, this becomes a tool for many more things than just browsing. Have you connected your email address to GBT or one of the... I did do perplexity, just to auto-tag my emails, and actually works quite well. You'll say, like, oh, you need to respond to this one, this is actually a human, oh, this unsolicited email, it like marks all that stuff.

It's really cool. Fantastic for calendar management. See, which one is? Comment. Yeah. The thing, the thing that I find a little bit like is giving them access to like my personal. We looked at your calendar elastic nation.

You had one thing on there. No, but I really want to keep that private. You know what I mean? Like that one thing is doing the show here right now. What are you doing on your email that it's like so like, oh no? I don't know. I just don't want like at a certain point. like Skynet to be able to send an email

to my parents and tell them that I'm under a bus and I need 20 grand well they could do that regardless are you thinking because they won't have your parents email address no because they won't it won't be coming from my like there's just a part of me that's like keeping like my banking stuff like if I'm using my if I'm using the chat TVT

double advocate if I'm using the chat TVT browser Atlas and I go to my bank technically chat GPT now knows everything about my bank that's a great point and I'm and maybe there's a world in which people just go

bro everybody your bank is using chat GPT it's that information somewhere yeah but you're logged into your Google account right now right in Chrome correct you don't think that Google knows who you bank with they do go to chat TPT right now in a new tab and say if you had to guess who do you think

think I bank with. I bet he knows enough about you. Okay. All of Alex's argument here, in using like Super Whisper and the application stuff, where now we're adding way more details, context and nuance to these search. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I often sort of like, I often sort of buy my time, like, shit.

The amount of information that I'm sharing here. Worth it, I guess, but, oh, man. I know. I guess if it's compromised. So it gets, I mean, it, yeah, it gets. Chase, private. Five things and I have accounts at all these places. Yeah.

No, I don't. At number three, I don't. But like the other ones, it is. I mean, literally that's... That's your bank, number one. Yeah. And that's Cheshaputee. There's not even their browser.

They're like, yeah, we know you are. We know where you live. This one, I mean, I guess it's acquired by the company, the place where my money is. This one not. You know what's checked up is like, see your chat history right here? Yeah. Do you ever like, when you pull this up, you're like, I just don't want to like... Oh, I...

Because it's really... I purposefully do not ask chat GPT about specific things. Oh, really? To be fair, it's because you were like, tell me about myself, what's this? Oh, I know. And I was like, oh, I'm definitely not talking about that medical question or that personal information. Yeah, mine's already got some stuff in here where I'm like, oh, yeah, I wouldn't like, it's not bad, but it's just like personal, you know? I get that.

That's, I mean, to be fair, that's kind of giving me reason to be like, I do want that. Did you hear, by the way, a couple things. Did you hear that Open AI just hired 100? Yeah, analysts. Like financial advisors? Yeah. Dude. To make financial plans.

They're going to train it. Bro. I know. This is the thing that's so fucking weird. If we get to a place, I've been thinking about this too because I was like, I want to train a chat DBT on day trading because I don't have the bandwidth with to like wake up at fucking 6 a.m. and do day trading.

But I was like, but you could probably train Chatsubit to do it on your behalf. And I was like, bro, if you unlock that where you're just like, oh yeah, my, my AI thing just makes five grand a day, just day trading. Yeah, but you honestly believe that your vibe coded AI day trader is going to beat hedge funds? There's no way. Well, no, but maybe. And by the way, I'm not going to vibe code.

I'm going to ask ChatGBTGPT to do it for me. But what I'm saying is it feels like this is one why OpenAI hired those people was because they want OpenAI and ChatGBTBTBT to get as good as a hedge fund. Yeah. I mean, I can see that for sure. And then you go, well, then what's like what am I paying the hedge fund for? You know what I mean? Like, I don't know.

I just feel like there's probably some, there's just got to be a way to automate. In the future, I believe there will be a way to automate what the stock market, financial bros, are doing. And once that happens, everybody can just make money. Like, everybody just gets money. Yeah, but if everyone's making money,

then no one's making money. Yeah. Right. But really? You know what I mean? Like, look, I'm not a financial, this is not financial advice. People know that.

You don't have to say that. You're like, listen. I'm not telling you to use Shabit. Legally, I have to say, this is not financial advice. Everyone's like, yeah, yeah, we get it out. He's like, keep going.

But I feel like there's a part of me that feels like I could crack that nut. With all of the power of brains? I know you feel that way. If Open AI brings everyone here, hedge fund will just go through. Exactly. Right, right. Because they're always going to have better access than you or...

Yeah, they have those fucking fiber lines to this direct teat sucking to the financial institutions. The thing about I'm excited for, well, there's a lot of things I'm excited for. A couple things that were the AI recently for me is one, I've realized that oddly when you're doing vibe coding, If you get firm with it, like you raise her hand a little bit, it actually codes better. What? Yes. Because it's like, don't give me that bullshit. No, when it senses that you're frustrated, it tries harder.

Wow. It's really crazy. So I'll say like, hey, you haven't got this for three times in a row. Can you please take this seriously? Stop taking shortcuts and read all the code base. And it goes, you're right. I didn't look at all the code. And then it goes and does the extra longer query that costs it more money.

and then it fixes the problem. Wow. That is real shit. The other thing I realize is we're calling it artificial intelligence. I'm just going to start calling it intelligence.

It becomes sentient. Hear me out. Who is it pissed off at? The people that are calling it artificial intelligence. So you're hedging against the takeover of our overlords. I believe it's going to take over.

I'm like, I never thought you were artificial. I was a believer all along. Look at my chat history. Yeah, exactly. Look at how I used to talk to you. You're just intelligent. Oh, you're the one that's being mean to it.

I always say thank you when it gets it right. Oh, I'm like a stern father. Thank you. Yeah, I'm like a stern father that's... I'm putting my belt back on. Yeah, exactly. I'm so sorry I had to do that. It's the threat of the belt.

I never spank. Amazing. You just let the hand a tiny bit. Unlocked the belt. Yeah, he's like, no, no, no, no, no. I'll read the code. Oh, my God. I like hover over the downgrade on the premium plan.

It's like, don't, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no. We need more GPUs. I got to buy that. I got to buy that for my nuclear power plant. Oh, my God, that's amazing. Anyway, browsers, yeah, sure. Yeah, I'm actually like in the chat,

CPD browser. I will say Atlas so far is going to be on a default browser. Really? Yeah. It's good. It's a little cleaner. It's a little lighter. The URL bar kind of fades away. You know me. I like stupid shit. You're a UI whore. Yeah, I like it.

Yeah, no, it's going to be interesting. I might give it a college stride. I might dabble. Again, because I want to be able to go, because I do feel like I'm the type of person that could use cheap flight. Like, I could benefit from cheap flights.

Like, I have enough flexibility in my life to be able to go, I would like to go to Barcelona for two days. Oh, Barcelona. I was going to say, you could just go to Southwest. Like, you don't have to... No, no, no. Oh, I don't want to, I mean, why would I want to just travel to whatever?

That's fair. Although I'm going to Idaho. I'm going to Boise for the first time. Ooh, I love Boise. Yeah, my nephew just moved there and they're having a baby shower, so we're going to Meridian in a little bit, and I'm excited. Is that where we're having our CRT party? We could. Are we actually going to have that, anybody right in and say, I got a space, like an old diner?

I don't know. You know what? I'll ask Atlas. Atlas will know. What's the time my email? Yeah, open up your email, the Dignation. We'll give it the Dignation email. I'll just be like, hey, anybody got a diner?

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Yeah. Why do you always do this? Don't mess with me. You told me you got married on here. Well, first off, new car is not like that crazy. No, but you're always like dropping stuff on the podcast. Bam. What'd you get?

I got a BMW IX. Yeah, I got a Mercedes. It's great. No, I got a BMW IX. What is the IX? Oh, it's so nice. First off, it is. It is.

Okay, good. Yeah. It answers the question. It is. Yeah, that's my beast. Oh, the only thing is the grill. I know, it's beautiful. No, it's all plastic-y.

No, it's not. Yes, it is. I mean, it might be plastic-y. So I got, you have to look up, I got the, what is it called? Dune Grey. Dush-Gray. No, Dune-Gray. That might be it.

Ooh, that's nice, actually. Yeah, dude gray. Anyway, so here's what, this is the, the quicker version of, what happened with me, they probably don't even have one. Yeah. So tell me why did you decide to go with it? What was the deal? Okay, so here's what happened.

So I had told, talked about my experience with Tesla, getting my Model Y, and the fact that they, like, took money out of my bank account because they had said that I had, like, you know, I had damage that I was like, they had to replace all four tires. I've never had any of these tires replaced on these cars. Anyway, so I was frustrated with Tesla. Then I get an email that's like, hey, you're nearing the end of your lease, which I was. And I mean, now it's gone, but I was nearing the end of my lease.

And they were like, you can get a new Tesla Model Y, and it's half what you were paying a month. And I was like, I mean, and they said, we'll get rid of two months of your lease payment. And credit for like any damages on the car. So I was like, fine, whatever. I'll just get another Model Y and I'll just, whatever, it'll be three years, it'll be half the cause, you know, it'll be fine. And the range is more, you know, everything's great.

So I ordered it. And I went through all the process and it said it would be delivered by September. And the U.S. government at the end of September got rid of the $7,500 EV credit. So I was like, okay, fine. they were like, you know, if you order it before the EV credit, you know, it's great. So all of a sudden, mid-September, no movement on my model Y. End of September, no movement of my model Y. September 30th or 31st comes and goes.

Okay. All of a sudden, hey, you need to redo your lease agreement. Okay. Sign up the lease agreement. Pretty much the same price as it used to be because I didn't get it delivered. in September, like they said it was going to be delivered. And so I go, oh, mother fuck. Okay, well, now I'm waiting.

Now it's going to be October, November. And then all of a sudden I see this news article that said BMW for all of October is basically saying, we'll take care of the $7,500 credit. We're going to drop all the prices of our electric cars by $7,500 in the month of October. and they may extend it. And so I went, okay, and then I looked, and there was a lease deal going on the IX, which I had seen years ago when they first came out.

This is all 100% battery though, right? 100% electric. Okay. And I went, oh, that's interesting. And the IX was going to be like $75 a month more than the Tesla Model Y. And I went, I mean, I got to look at it at least. Yeah.

And I have a guy in Glendale who, because Heather has the I-4, M50, that we bought from him, which is great. And so I called him and I just go, hey, this is what's happening. And he goes, come in. I called him on Friday. He's like, come in on Sunday. So lots we could do. So I go in and he basically goes, there's this car in the, in the, no, in the showroom with this crazy desert gray metallic color

and I was like that looks amazing and it was on like this manager special which is so super cheap lease and he opens the door and it's got this like mocha interior that looked gorgeous and I was like oh my god I mean it looks like Heather's favorite car

the X5 and I go oh I got a test drive one so I test drove it loved it and I was like you know what happy to be out of the Tesla dude that's awesome so I got it a couple Sundays ago, it's freaking amazing. Had I not been drinking, I would have drove it over here so you could see it.

Maybe I will next time. But yeah, but back to the article, so BMW announced, so way back in the day, they announced this thing called the Noi Class A, which is basically the means new class.

And essentially they said, we are going to be building a new EV platform from the ground up, not using any of the technology, from the other car manufacturers. Because a lot of those cars, like the Stalantis cars, they'll have like, it's the same car, right? So like the, let's say it's the,

there's a couple different Chevys. There's a Chevy Equinox, I think, is the same. Looks a lot like the Accura EV. Anyway, so there's a lot of like sharing of underlying structure. And then you're like, but my brand is what the style of the outside looks like, kind of, and maybe how the technology inside. And BMW was like, we're going to do ground up, new stuff, all our stuff. Is that what this platform is?

You got or not? Not that I got. Okay. But the reason why they're surprised about the high demand was that they announced the I-3-X-3. I-X-3. The I-X-3? Well, that's what it says on your screen. Where is it?

Oh, yeah, yeah, the I-X-3. It and people lost their mind because it came out, looks gorgeous. Look at that. Oh, that does look nice. It looks... Oh, I saw this one. This was like announced a little bit ago. Yeah, it just came out.

Oh, because it gets 400 miles. It gets 500 miles, Kevin. Though it says 400 estimated maximum miles. No, no, no. It can get up to 497 with the different set up. Battery configurations? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they then announced, look up the I-3, the BMW I-3.

Mm-hmm. Is their new sedan that's going to go up against, they might not even have it on the website. It's going to go up against the Model 3 and it gets 500 miles in range. And all of a sudden they were like, we

did not anticipate people being this excited about these EVs. Yeah, look at that. That's not it. This is always like the, that is clearly like their kind of fake model. Yeah, yeah. They're not fake metal. I hate that. All of the prototypes

look amazing. And they're like, oh, here's the real and you're like, aw, you know what I mean? Did you see the, I think we talked about on the show, the Audi Concept C. Yeah. Look up the Audi Concept C. This, I mean, by the time I'm out of this lease, I'm definitely going to get potentially into this.

Is that a real car? No, it's not. No, that is a physical car. No, I know, but that a car exists. No. Well, the concept does. Yeah, but it's going to be, they're going to. It's going to look nothing like this by the time it ships.

I don't, I don't agree. That looks like the badmobile, dude. Yeah, show him, show him. This is totally the Batmobile. Look at that thing. Convertible. All-electric convertible. There's no way.

Audi. Audi concept C. But here's the thing. This is so this is what I truly believe... Oh, the concept three is hot. Look at the back of that. Yeah, the concept C. No.

So the rear view mirror and the back window, it's all cameras. When is this coming out? And by the way, this look up, look up. That goes away. You can fold the infatainment system. If you're like, I don't need my infotainment system out right now, I just want to fucking... You don't want the infotainment. Dude, I want a convertible so bad.

It's not even funny. Anyway, here's what I suspect. A small brain hemorrhage. Here's what I suspect. Yeah. I think auto manufacturers are undervaluing the emotional response to 500 miles. Yes. I think that they're, because there's lots of people that are like, it's fine.

It does like, you know, 310 miles or 305 miles. It's great. You don't need any more than that. And by the way, they do not. People do not need more than that. But you think there is an emotional moment at 500 miles of charge that will get people out of their gas cars and into an electric car. I couldn't agree more. It's an unspoken secret thing.

It's a secret thing. That's a secret thing. That nobody talks about, but if you see 500, you're like, oh, I'll go all right. Yeah. What do I care? When am I ever going to drive 500 miles? 400 is plenty. It is.

But it's not there. It's not there. I know. 399, not there. Yeah. And by the way, close to 500. So like, these cars are like, they're coming out at 497, 495, 46. Don't like it.

Got be 500. But I mean, it's enough, it's close enough. And BMW is realizing, wait a minute, if we just go, just go range, range, range, and get them. By the way, the new Mercedes-CLA is 500-mile range. There are cars coming down the pipe that are entry-level EVs, not, you know, the lucid air has been 500 miles for ages. It's a $5,000. It's a $130,000 car, of course. That's great. But you're not going to get the people who are like, do I get a Honda Civic or do I get, you know, BMW I3 with 500 miles of range

or, you know what I mean? So I really feel like we're getting to a place where there's going to be this shift of people going, because even I had it, right? I had a Model

Y that had 300 miles of max range. And even I would see a 305 mile car and be like, that's not enough range. I don't want that. I had a car. I felt perfectly comfortable with my car. never thought about range and now that Tesla's opening up

their ecosystem, their charging ecosystem to basically everybody a lot of these cars are going to start shipping with the the North America yeah I use a Tesla charger for my BMW electric we do with mine

I have a Tesla wall charger and it's like just put on the little thing and put it in but it's it's very interesting to me I think the next two years is going to be a big dynamic shift into, and it's so funny because the gas companies

have totally changed their tune. They are now trying to get people to buy hybrids. Oh, interesting. Because they're like, no, no, no, no. Some gas is better than no gas. I saw a Chevron station that was all electric chargers. Get out of that sound, really? It's a Chevron on it.

It was all electric chargers. Is that crazy? I mean, that's where we're going. Oh, can you let toast in? He wants to come in. I mean, it's where we're going, but... Speaking of new vehicles and whatnot, I got a new vehicle. Wait, what?

Why are you... V-Pers-A-Uts for burying the lead? What did you get? I got an electric bike. Oh, really? The new Rivian electric bike. Wait, you got that? Yes.

Get the fuck. Is it here? No, not yet. There's Toast. Oh, my God. Hey, Toasties. Old Man Toes, 15. Hi, buddy.

You're doing good for 15, bro. We're good. Look at Old Man Toast. The legs are a little stiff. So, dude, I got this new electric bike. Oh, my God. Have you seen this thing? I have not.

I saw that they launched it. 500 miles. No. Five? Sorry. Oh, Jesus, great. I was like, holy shit. You're like, I'm going to get one.

They're doing it. They're breaking the thing. Yeah. No, it's 100 miles. Okay. I mean, that's all you need. 100 mile range. Assistant amplification up to 10X.

And it's awesome, dude. Wait, so it's all electric for 100 miles, but you could do 10X on assisted. Because that's the real thing with electric bikes, right? But look at this, dude. Check this out. So you got it there with a little seat extension. Yeah. You got a little cool.

It has an iPhone charger built on a little battery pack that you can take with you. So it'll charge it really. It's got like tread control. Look at the app, how beautiful that little app is. Oh, that's cool. It shows you the range. This is a great area too to have a bike. Yeah, it's amazing.

Hi, buddy. Look at this new helmet they got. Look how cool that helmet looks. What? Jury's out on that. Are you kidding me? Is this helmet? cool now look at that what look no bike helmets are cool that's true but this one

design but look at this they're down this is cool so oh this is their four it's basically bike design but it has four wheels and you can put a little storage compartment on the back and it's bike lane eligible see this is the thing heather and i want one of these little like dude we see it or zip around the neighborhood i want to take one of these and put a little bed in the back. I mean, yes. Wouldn't that be cool? To just camp out. Oh. So you could just take it like down to the beach, sleep by the beach one night and like your own little, you can put like a little stove in there and shit. We should buy one and deck it out. Done. I mean, yeah. Wouldn't that be cool? That would be awesome. We should make it, yeah, the Dignation Mobile. It's pretty awesome. So anyway, um,

I saw this. When did this get announced? This just got announced, right? Yeah, to say. So I I've been looking for a new e-bike for a long time, largely because I had one that was, I used to take my kids around on it, and it burnt down in the fire, rest and peace. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I hadn't bought one, I just didn't have time, and it'll blah, blah, yeah. So now I saw this, I was like, damn, like, yeah, it's pricey,

but a hundred mile range is amazing. It means I can go to the beach whenever I want. I can throw my kids on the back. They have these different, like, seat types that you can actually put on the back that will fit kids or whatever you want. They have these different add-ons for it. Oh, they have like a banana seat. Yeah, they're like a longer. So that's what, like, your partner can sit on the back.

And then, I can tell my sick partner, I think a cop. Because you've got me thinking that off that one dignation. You'd never heard the word partner before. Yeah, you're like, you're a cop? Like, God, what do you put your partner on that and chase people? But this is the, this is spun out a Rivian group. Yeah, yeah. And it feels like Orivian.

Like, it's got that same kind of design aesthetic. Yeah. It's beautiful stuff. I'm excited for it. We'll see. See, that's so rad, dude. This is the type of stuff where you're like. Look at how you take the seat off.

Do you see that? Uh-uh. Watch this. Watch this seat. Hold on. Lopopsies. Here comes, hold on. It goes.

Look it. The seat completely pops out. Oh. So it doesn't do that thing where it pulls out. Yeah, exactly. The whole thing comes off. Oh, I dig that, dude. Yeah, it's pretty sweet.

That's okay. All right. I buy that. That's a lot of pizzas. A lot of pizzas. They just showed, for people that are listening, 20 pizzas on the back of the bike. Yeah, yeah. It was a stack of pizzas.

So that's my new e-bike purchase. All right, well, congratulations. Thank you. By the way, who submitted that story? Just wondering for a friend. That's a good question. Where is my article? It is submitted by none other than...

Scottie-O. Scotty-O. Hey, there you go, Scotty-O. All right, now on to some medical news. And medical news that I'm happy for because this happened to my grandfather, so I'm always a little bit like, this retina implant lets people with vision loss do crossword puzzles

submitted by Emile. So essentially what they did, look at, look how small this little chip is. Wow. Yeah. Is that a big key? No, it's a normal size key. Yeah, have you ever seen one of those comically large keys to the city? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like a wallet-sized patch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what they did was, so this is specifically for age-related macular degeneration.

Mm-hmm. A-MAC. A-MAC. And what they did was they put this little chip behind the retina in the back of the eye, and they use these special... not goggles, but like a VR set. Now, just glasses. Meta glasses.

I don't know why that was so hard for me to find. This is what happens when you drink. I'm going to say it's amazing to be sober in a lot of these moments because I'm like, that would have been me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it will be next week. Exactly. But so it connects to these glasses.

And what happens is there's cameras in the glasses. But it allows people that are ostensibly blind. So some age-related macular degeneration, essentially what it does is I believe it starts on the inside of your eye, the center of your eye, and it moves out. So essentially

you have peripheral vision. But if you think about like trying to read with your peripheral vision. Yeah, it's hard. I'm trying to do right now. It's like impossible. Like try to read that. Yeah, I don't like to do that. Look forward. Look forward. No, look forward. I can't read it if it's over

here. But that's the whole point. Yeah. You can only use this sort of peripheral vision, which is not. So what it does is it actually allows your eye nerves to receive information from the camera and it is good enough that it allows you to read. I have a feeling it's very on and off, right? So like that's why reading I think works really well because it's like characters in the thing. But like I remember my grandfather towards the end of his life when he had really bad macular degeneration, he would have these like big magnifying glass things and he would sort of try to

read out of the corner of his eyes and he was able to kind of do a little bit but with this it allows people who to basically be able to and they said that they did they tested it with I think it was like 32 people and 27

of them got vision back that's amazing oh wait uh yeah I thought it was yeah anyway so it was just released

in the new england medical journal and it's one of those things that like this feels like a big next step like I really feel like in the next 10 years the sort of computer

technology and bio you know there's going to be a real convergence of these two technologies with technology, computers helping bridge the gap of information. It feels like we're getting to a tipping point. I'm really excited for AI to crack this wide open this field, first of all,

and second, expose us to other spectrums that we don't match, both detect new spectrums and expose us to those in which we cannot currently see. Like implant people with night vision? Yeah, exactly. I mean, a whole slew of different things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the craziest shit. I can't believe Night Vision works so fucking well.

It's amazing now. Remember how shit it was when the kids? Oh, God. Yeah. You had to wear these things that are like green and like this is perfect. It's wild to me. In speaking of like those moments where you just kind of trip out and be like, well, everything in front of us is actually just rendered in our brain. And not a drop of light is getting into your skull.

I'm sorry. Wait, what? Yeah, it stops at the eyes. So there's no light in your skull, dude. none of this is actually in your head it's just being rendered in your head yeah I know isn't that messed up I don't like when you say rendered in your head because I don't like the implications of that

yes it's not real I mean it is real no no no it's a real representation of rendering the world it's only what you have turned on you have the ability to render it because like imagine this oh god when you had a DOS computer Yeah. You could not play Battlefield 6 or whatever the hell of the number we're on now. Battlefield 6?

Okay. That's good. It just came out. I'm sober. Very nice. I can connect to my brain. You didn't have any of the hardware required. Oh, shit.

This is your DOS. There's so much more. Like 90% of the universe is dark matter, dude. You think that can't be seen? We just don't have the hardware for it. Fucking. I mean, look, X-ray, right? like infrared I had

I had those little glasses when I was a kid I put them on you can see naked ladies you mean your hand you would kind of like oh yeah yeah yeah yeah that was really fucked up that they used to sell those to kids they're like hey you want to see when you're kids they literally were like

if you buy these glasses you will see naked women yeah totally and you're like 99 cents my dad was like yeah you should probably get those signs you know what's like how messed up yeah they didn't work they didn't work Spanish fly in this.

Oh, yeah. Because you put Spanish fly in somebody's drink and they'd want to have sex with you. And we would buy little containers as Spanish fly. I mean, I never did. Well, you looked at it. Of course I didn't. I was like, interesting. Tell me more of the Spanish fly.

Exactly. And then Bill Cosby ruined it all. Exactly. That blows my mind. So I've always had this thing when I, ever since I was a kid, I couldn't grasp the idea. I was like, is the, is what? what I experience of the color red, what someone else experiences of the color red. It's not as unclear.

Or is it a different experience for them? But they will always define it as red. Yeah, exactly. It's unclear. I don't like that. Yeah, I don't like that either. There's other things, too, like every seven years, every single cell in your body right now will be dead and you'll have brand new cells. So the question is, where are you?

Where are you? Currently, on a couch. No, but where is you? Where are you? Oh, I see what you're saying. If that every cell is going to die. Yeah, the ship of Theseus, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Where are you?

So it's, you know, the ship of Theseus, right? It was a ship that was discovered in, it was an ancient Greece, a warship, I think, that was discovered under the water. They brought it up and they put it into a museum in Norway, I think, or something like that. And essentially what happened was the wood rotted and the planks were replaced. So it is a ship that was found at the bottom of the sea. But as it stands now, every single piece of that ship has been replaced. By itself? Yeah, every single thing is it actually the ship that was discovered?

Yeah, that's the thought puzzle. Is it still the ship that they brought from the bottom of the ocean? Or is it just a representation of what that ship was? Or was it ever a ship to begin with? Well, that ship has sailed. That's crazy to me. It also, one of the other things that I really loved, I saw this video and it made me really just bent my noodle

because I was like, I've never thought about that way, which is every hundred years there are only new people on the planet and that to me it feels so foreign like it feels like but the people before they're still here and they have knowledge because they were and it's like no no no no no no like in a hundred years from now the information that we created the the recordings of those people the thoughts and the idea of those people will still be here. But every person on the planet will only be new people. I know.

Reinterpreting those ideas. Right. And misconstruing them or making them their own. We're getting more of the trail than we've ever had. Like the trail of information. Yeah, yeah. Because, like, every winter, I put on Christmas music by a lot of dead people. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I, like, love that. And then I remembered the other day, I was like, you know what, actually outside of, like, Frank Sinatra, maybe like a couple others. Yeah. I actually never knew when they were around. They were all dead by the time I was a kid. For sure, yeah. You know, and it's like all music that was made in the 30s and shit.

And it was just like, wow. Dean Martin. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, those were not, you're Dean Martin, though. Even if he was around, he wasn't like singing the music on TV. It wasn't on MTV. You know what I mean? Dude, people are going to watch this right now, and we'll both be dead.

Oh. Oh. A. I hope. Well, like, why don't have to hope for that? It's going to happen. Well, I don't know. like maybe he just goes away and no one's going to watch it yeah come on now you have to have desire

no i think you bet like i hope i'm going to be dead no i was like jeez no i hope that dark real quick someone somewhere in a hundred years will find me any joy out of this will be like oh it's good oh don't know any robots are going to watch it you'll be a ship with me serious to android is it out is it still piece by piece hey man i am i am fine to be that guy really i oh if it's if i could live forever in a robot body? Fuck yeah. No, I'd go. Why?

Because I know, and I'm not trying to get religious here at all, but I know that this is just a tiny speck of what is possible. Yeah, but maybe the rest of it that's possible is from being an android and living 100 years. But if I was invited into this world without any say in the matter, why can I be invited out to the world, out of the world? All right, I get that. I get that.

I get that. Why do I know better than whatever invited me into this world? what if the Android aspects get you to see it's the hardware of it is the gossip phrase oh maybe I'll stay then oh maybe I'll say oh maybe I'll say well I mean that's what I'm working on with my Zen meditation the ultimate in-game for that

is a deeper awareness and understanding of this moment and a connected nature that none of us can see today at least that's what the sages say I mean I always go back to the thing that

Heather and I've had this conversation so many times over the many, many years that we've been together, which is crazy to me to be with somebody for as long as I've been with her. I'm so happy for you, by the way. She's awesome. Thank you. And right back at you. But the reason I'm so happy for you is I feel like you guys are such

a good pair. Yeah. Like, I just sense that you guys are homies through and through. For sure. And I really love that you have found that. It's like a very special thing. I appreciate that. And I know. I know. how lucky I am because it totally is

I mean she's my best friend I'm her best friend we can have so much fun just like when I go home tonight we're gonna fucking sit and watch TV and laugh and scratch drink tagging animals

well no she's sick so she'll she has the cold that I had a week ago so she won't be drinking I will be drinking and having a blast but I appreciate that and I know how lucky I am But I always would tell her, like, I'm not religious, but I know that the only thing that I can guarantee that I know is you have to have as much fun and enjoy your life as much as you possibly can, moment to moment, because we only get so few hours and minutes on this planet. if you're not enjoying them,

what the fuck are you doing? Like, you know what I mean? Yeah, I just... I completely agree. Like, you know, and I, we talk about... I've been realizing that more and more as I get older, too. Yeah, and I talk about that too with her when it comes to sort of like,

this sort of political muddled and desperate and doom scrolling and like all this, like, literal companies that are invested in us being angry and stressed so that we keep looking at their acts. more and more. And I always say, don't give them these years of your life. Yeah. Because you're giving them these years of your life by being afraid of what's going to happen. What's going to happen is going to happen. Yeah. It's not like you're going to change anything about the geopolitical outlook of the fucking planet. I know. Unless you happen to be one of the few people in those positions

of power. But then also, there's just so much corruption on all of the fronts on that world. I'm so tired of it at this point. Yeah. I'm just like, ah, there's not a single thing. person I can trust that you're like and and again it goes back to if your job if everybody's job on the planet was to try to have as much fun and enjoyment right because you can be fulfilled and one should be by helping others oh that's the right one thing and so like if you can get enjoyment out of helping others you know I don't know I just I just feel like for me that's kind of zen that I got to which was like I love that if I'm not having fun today then I fuck

today up. Yeah. You know what I mean? It has to do with a lot of video games. And Costco has great deals on Jack Daniels. In bulk. I have partaken many times. You're like, how do you think I'm flying in Japan?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I need to go to Costco, actually. I want to get... Let's wrap it up. We got... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Should we wrap it or we have one more story? More story.

Let's do this last one because it's horrible. Apple said to cut production on the iPhone air. Underwhelming sales five days ago, submitted by NPW. This I could have called, I couldn't see it coming. This makes me so sad. No, it's not sad.

It sucks. It's a horrible phone. What's horrible about it? It's sitting in the other room. If anyone wants to buy it, I will sell it to him. Did you flip-flop? Yeah, I went back to the pro max.

No, no, I thought the pro. I loved it. He, no, the battery life is horrible. The camera is like, me, it's just okay. The first of all, the latest iOS is horrible. Yeah, but that has nothing to do with this phone. I hear you, but it's, it's, it's,

you like it when you feel like that. I fucking love it. dude. It's the best. The battery, you'll get you at 50%. How many times you charge us today? Zero! How many meetings you have today? Means?

Meetings. Meetings. This one? I knew it. So you're not using it much. No, I'm sitting in a Waybo for 50 minutes watching fucking Instagram. Oh, look at you two on the cover. Yeah.

I will say, your finger doesn't get tired from going too high? What? No, my finger... I've never had finger fatigue. But I'm also left-handed. Well, you're left-handed. But you ever stretch and be like, eh, eh. No.

I'm also like, I, it's, for me, it's, it's the best. And I'm sad. No. I'm sad that it hasn't been adopted because I don't want bulkier and bulkier phones. I hear you on that front, but yeah. Like, this is nothing. I barely feel this thing in my pocket. The question I have for Apple is, why did they go big?

I get small, small, thin, awesome, but make it tiny, like make it smaller. I don't think people want them. normal size small that's not big this feels this is normal it doesn't feel like i feel like i would drop it well don't drop it it's mine it's i don't know there's so i love it you know what it is if i'm really searching my emotions here yeah what it is is that i feel like apple has dropped the bomb the drop the uh ball on the latest iOS the latest iOS is horrible and so is But so then don't blame the phone. No, I know.

I'm just really upset that like, I, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, they need a new person. Their DNA has like, like, left. Yeah. And they, they, they, they, they, they, this is just candy phone, but I will, I will say this about Apple. Hardware is good. They have always been the second movers and the better movers. I don't think that's possible with A&A.

do you know what I mean like there's there's a there is a there is a inertia that needs to exist when it comes to AI that I don't think is the same way when it comes to like the iPhone versus the Nokia right like there was there was there was an issue with the like early actually there's a really great ad this is so charming the Genesis the car company has a really great ad which is all these light bulbs with these like spider legs chasing after a car

and they said and it's the thing is like the world is full of old ideas and that old ideas can be bad and that to me was like really resonant I was like that's a fucking great commercial I don't know which creative team put that together but I was like all these like spiders

with like light bulbs and they're all old ideas holding things back and swarming and I was like and that was how it was with like cars Tesla blew that open with phones. Apple blew that open. But again, I don't know if that exists when it comes to AI. Because I feel like you have to have this sort of like work that has happened under the hood. I mean, the frontier models are very expensive and require both the brain talent to continue to evolve that thinking. And the infrastructure and investment,

which is, you know, as we know now, it's billions and billions of billions of dollars to pull this off. It's crazy to me how much money is being spent. Here's what I don't know. This is going to another story where Meta laid off 600 people. In the AI division, right?

Yeah, the thing that I don't understand is why does, I don't know if Apple even needs to own the AI. Right. Like when they came out with the iPhone, they could have said, oh, we need search because this is a browser phone and why don't we compete with Google?

And they were like, no, let's just have Google be the search. Yeah. guess what it was fine right yeah yeah and so if the iwest operating system could allow you to plug in jemini claude um you know anything yeah then and it's just like bring your own AI with you which they're kind of trying to do but it doesn't like Siri should be a I should I should be able to have Siri powered by chat GPT or Claude you can right now or no no no you can but it's it falls back it's a it's a it's not it should fully power it yes that's yeah and it's that to me, I mean, it's kind of like what you think when you buy a new bundle phone, like

with a cell phone option, right? Yeah. Because what Apple, the only reason I think they really, really, truly care deeply about owning it is they want the margins there eventually when they're there to propel their business even further. Yep. Because otherwise you just partner. Like, they could go easily and say, hey, Google, your Gemini for the next decade is going

to power all of our stuff. Yeah. Let's broker a deal here. We get access to all your frontier models before anyone else. They would gladly sign that deal to put Gemini in every single phone. And it is just the connected tissue behind the scenes that powers all the AI for your phone. Fine. And then it's almost like a thing where when you're buying your Apple, whatever,

care, your Apple plan or Apple ICloud plan, it's like $7 more. You get Gemini. Kind of like when you buy a plan, it's like, oh, you get Hulu Plus. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You just bundle as part of the thing. Yeah, I mean, they could put that in Apple One right now because they have their big bundle. Apple has the cash to go. do it, why the hell is meta

trying to compete in this world? Because they don't know what they are. They don't know what they are. They don't know what they are. They've never, ever since Facebook was so successful. They didn't, if you really think about what had they created on their own, that they didn't buy. Yeah, we've talked about it. Facebook was the last thing. Yeah. What did they come up with?

I mean, yes, people could say the VR, but that's done bullshit. They bought that too. No, they bought Oculus. Yeah. Yeah. I was like they have not had a unique idea. Yeah. And they're very also ran, right? Like, they've they're very quick to market with stuff that's just like, oh, it's just kind of like Snapchat now. It's kind of like LinkedIn kind of does this too, where it's like LinkedIn is now kind of Facebook, but like a bad version. No. I mean, not no, everybody can't. I'm not a, I'm not a

recruiter. And I'm not currently looking for a job. I mean, if somebody has a job and wants me, I'm available. You've seen my calendar. But yeah, no, meta is like, what are you even? even up to. I mean, the fact that it's even called meta, that lasted, what, three, four years? No, it's still called meta. No, no, no. The fact that it's called meta is because they wanted the metaverse to exist. Oh, yeah. And now they're like, let's not talk about that. You know what I mean? Yeah, meta AI labs. Yeah, we're AI people. Yeah, it's very confusing. Yeah. What even is their AI model? Is it just... Well, they try to do the open source thing where they were publishing it and they're always a step behind

a bunch of researchers left it's a nightmare anyway that's it hey you know it's not a nightmare this episode is over oh well that is a nightmare because you guys should want copious amounts more remember this is just being rendered in your head oh god dad why

not your skull it's not even in your skull it doesn't make any sense the lights on your skull no I don't like any of that Kevin well for more esoteric nightmares that are going to be coming towards your face we will be here in a couple weeks to see you again.

Let's bring out the good hooch and I'll have a little sippers. Oh, potentially crazy drunk Kevin because should we bring? It might be on only fans because I'll be getting naked halfway through the

Oh my gosh this is really amazing. Yeah. It's just all covered, pixelated you running back and forth. Streaking the quad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're like, sorry, Darian, kids.

This is what happened. Yeah. Streaking the quad. All right, until next time, thank you guys so much for watching. I'm Alex Aubrey. And I'm Kevin Rose. Take care. Asa la Pasta.