Diggnation (rebooted) - Diggnation Holiday Highlights | AI, Mike Tyson, Retro Cars & More

Episode Date: December 24, 2025

This holiday episode is a greatest hits tour of Diggnation Rebooted with Kevin and Alex in peak end of year form. Scotch gift exchanges and fighting Mike Tyson for $500,000 is a reasonable life choice. There are pronunciation corrections, especially Hyundai, plus plenty of love for retro futuristic concept cars.AI takes center stage as the duo talks creativity and productivity with tools like Cursor and ChatGPT, including negotiation tricks and extremely questionable AI day trading strategies. The conversation also covers the Telepathy Tapes podcast, autism, neurodiversity, and Alex’s experience with aphantasia. Kevin finally understanding Netflix and chill.Chapter Markers00:00 Intro04:22 Mike Tyson vs $500K07:52 Hyundai Pronunciation and Car Concepts13:00 Digg Beta Community Update16:30 Building AI Web Apps on the Road18:28 Telepathy Tapes, Autism, and Curiosity21:56 AI Trading and Bad Financial Ideas24:55 ChatGPT Negotiation Tactics29:50 Kevin Discovers Netflix and Chill31:38 Aphantasia Explained35:50 Emotions, Money, and Decisions37:41 End of Year Montage

Uh, hey Alex. Yes, Kevin. I'm just over here in the bar whipping up a little holiday egg gong. I was wondering if we could do a clip show. A holiday eggnog clip show? Yes. I'm into that idea, sir. Come over here and let's do it.

Welcome to vacation. Also potentially hazardous to your health. All right, moving on. Why do you have flies in your freaking house? I noticed in Southern California and I have fruit. You put zombies and put hearing in the title and I don't want to do it. Dignation.com. Ho, ho, ho, happy holidays.

I am your co-host, Kevin Rose, co-host and co-founder of Dignation, Kevin Rose. And I'm the other one. There's no script this time. Happy holidays, everybody. Happy all days. First off, I love your festive hat. I love your festive shirt.

This makes me very happy. I stole this from Heather. I got this for her a while back, and it was just, like, so perfect that I had to do it. Although, you probably don't know what it's from. It looks like it's a Plaza, Christmas Party from 1988, if I had to guess. Yes.

Yes. I'm sure it's some movie I don't want the reference to. Die hard. Oh, it is Die Hard. Nakatomi Plaza. Okay, that I know. But I didn't. Anyway.

I have gifts. You have gifts. Yes, before we get started. By the way, text people that you're doing that so then we can bring this. No, I feel better when I do it. I'd sell it. So I got a little gifty action for everybody here. Okay, okay.

You know, it's the holidays and happy holidays that everyone watching. So a couple things. I wanted to upgrade you a little bit in terms of what you like to drink. Yes, yes. So, gentlemen Jack. Oh my gosh. Gentleman Jack. That is an upgrade.

And that is a lot of juice. That's going to be a day. It'll be, that'll be, that's weird stuff's going to happen that day. Thank you, bud. Do you like gentlemen and jack? I love gentlemen jacky. Okay, sweet. And I don't have any.

And then I wanted to get Addison something because I knew he was going to be here. And so I got him a little mixture small batch. And thank you for making the cocktails, Sir Addison. There you are. And then I got I got Mao I know you're drinking less these days It doesn't mean I'm not saying

You just got you protein shakes Exactly I got you a bottle of Dom Because the New Year's is coming up too And it would just be like a nice little thing to have Amazing thank you And then last I got myself

No I wanted to get you I know gentleman Jack is like You know it's Gentleman Jack This is a proper good upgrade Whoa Have you ever had Downmore before? I have not. Oh, it is so good.

It is so good. Open this one up. This is the King Alexander III. I mean, that's a very... Oh. There it is. Holy hand grenades. So that will be your like...

That'll be a good afternoon. That'll be a good afternoon. I'll start with the gentleman Jack. No, I'm just kidding. You're going to love that. This is fucking fantastic. Thanks, but... Delmore's like, it's good in that it's not crazy, crazy expensive, but it's also not crazy cheap.

It's like a good kind of love great. King Alexander... Yes. We all know Alexander III. Alexander the 3rd. He's known for drinking. Known for drinking and stags. That's awesome.

Well, thank you. Happy holidays, guys. And by the way, thank you, Addison, for the beverage. I'm combining it with eggnog. Are you really? Oh, yeah. Oh, no, you're not pouring it in. No, I'm drinking eggnog and drinking this lovely cocktail. All right, so this is...

So we thought we would get together. Yes. And go back over. some of our most heartfelt moments? Some, yeah. Some of our favorite moments over the last year. Yes. It's been a year. It's been over a year, I think. Dude, those first shows, we're going to show some of these clips on were from my house that burned down. You will see some of your house that burnt down.

Mm-hmm. Okay. We're some peace house. But yeah, we've got some good clips here and then we'll do a little commentary and then some more good clips. Oh my god, it's the best. Should we roll the first one? Yes, the first clip is a classic from the, from the, um, the, um, the, um, the, um, the, beginning of our, well, close to the beginning. We look so young. All right.

There we go. Tyson's 70. Five million bucks to go in the ring with him. I would have questions about what I needed to do in the ring. Fight him. Well, in that case, no. Do I have to let him hit me or can I just run around? Okay, let's say 65 year old Tyson because he could chase you then.

Yeah, 65 will take you out. No, not even close, dude. He could fucking kill me with one punch. At 65, he wouldn't kill you. bro he could break some ribs my head and his 65 year old arms would murder me would you get in let's flip the scrimidus okay 70 year old tyson i'd take him on how old would i be where is oh not now like you would be older too yeah we both be older oh well then fuck no dude i would have a fucking seizure looking at him coming towards me now i we saw tyson fight we just see

face and fight. Now that we know how he fights, I'd take him on. Oh, man, I still would not want anything to do with that man. I mean, I'd be able to dance around more than I thought I would. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's not going to catch you, for sure. Well, I mean, when he walked up and he had like the two, like, braces on his knees and ankles and all the other. I was like, I don't know, yeah, yeah, yeah. But God forbid I trip. God forbid. And it's over. Oh, ho, ho, ho. Yeah. I mean, you would just be like, ah, dance like a butterfly, and then just fall over if he was like, okay, you have to hold your arms up and just like, like, in one punch to the stomach, for like a half a million bucks. I mean, yes. You would not do that.

I totally would do that. I would do that. Could I tell him exactly where to punch? In the stomach. I know, but I mean. It's all straightforward. Oh, God. I think I could do that.

No way. Yeah, because when we were do, when we would do moit. we would, that was like an exercise that we would do is... You weren't more tying with Tyson. No, no, no. It would not be good, but for half a million dollars. Did you ever see that, um... I buy myself a Lambo and just slowly...

Yeah, exactly. Try to get myself into it. Do you know there was that a Creed movie, right? With that actor, yeah, yeah, Jordan. Yeah, he's awesome. Yeah. And one of the things that Sloan did is he took him to an actual, with an actual sparring match, like, to prep him for the film.

Yeah. And obviously they trim with professionals and all that stuff. But he said for, I guess, Stallone did this as well. He said, if you're going to take this role, you have to take a punch from a real professional fighter just to see what it feels like. You know, did you see this clip? No, I haven't. Dude, they hit him one fighter, which is like, like, real quick, yeah, in the face. And he just drops.

In the face, my God. Yeah, there is a difference between a professional hitting you. And, I mean, these are the best people in the world. Yes. And they do everything perfectly. Right, exactly. It's not like you were like, I got most of him. It's not like Tyson's going to be like, you know, like miss and hit wrong.

It's going to be like one of those. I would be the bag on that like arcade machine. We're a break foot. He'd hit me and I would just slide off of the whole ring. Oh my God, yeah. All right. I mean, but for half a million. If anyone wants to donate half a million for to watch that.

No, no. Don't start that go fund me. Yeah, exactly. And that's what I could do it. Jesus. Okay. All right. What else we got?

Next clip. Also from, it looks like it's also from your... Hyundai pronunciation. This is from Jew Kang. I mean, I hope I'm pronouncing that right. I speak Korean. And it was a torture to watch you guys in the last episode getting further and further away from the correct Korean pronunciation.

Okay, Hyundai. Nope. I don't believe that's how it's pronounced. Oh, all the letters are silent except the H? Hyundai. Oh, Hyundai. I'm a big fan of the new Hyundai electric car. Hyundai!

Hold on, is it more? Oh, nice Hyundai you got there. What nice Hyundai you got there? What kind of Hyundai is that? Hyundai. He's giving us so many examples. Thank you, Jew. That was his name.

Oh! Oh! No, you know what? It's not pronounced Jew! He said it at the bottom, pronounced Jew. Jew, thank you for writing in. And we look forward to our live Dignation in South Korea on our world tour.

our world tour. Oh, yeah. We never did that one tour. Oh, my God, that was so good. First off, I loved Hyundai. Yes, and thank you, Jew, again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was so good.

Because there was a lot of good comedy that came out of that. I mean, I still want that Hyundai that was the old throwback 1980s version that they decided not to make. And the other one, too. Hyundai, Hyundai. Hyundai, Hyundai, please make those cars.

Yeah, I mean, they had this really sick. We'll put a picture of it up, right? Can you look it up a quick? Yeah, it's like the 1980s, Hyundai. It looks like it's out of like a Kill Bill movie or something. Yeah. How do you speak Hyundai? Hi, Hyundai concept.

Yeah, it's really cool. Boom. Heritage series. Heritage series. Oh, yeah. Ah, even the tail lights. Bro. Like men in black, I want it.

Who do you want that? Look at this. The other one, like the 80s retro stuff. It's sick. Dude, cars are awesome when they... That's the whole thing is like, People, the one thing that I don't know where it gets lost in translation, but these concept designers, even in the futuristic cars, where you see them and you're like, oh, that's beautiful. You know, the number of like Audi R8s where I'm like, oh, that's the sickest.

And then it gets out and it's like, eh. You know, they always trim it back. Yep. And it's never as good as the concept. Yeah. It's very confusing. And I don't think it has to do with the difficulty of manufacturing. I think it's just fear.

They're worried that they're going to put out. I mean, I don't think the cyber truck is going to help that fear. That's right. You know what I mean? Yeah, well, the cyber truck was the first time where they're like, go with that. They're like, fuck it, let's go. And everybody's like, Jesus. I know.

Who brought the dumpster? I was like, no. Is it regulation? Do those designers, are they working like Blue Sky? Like, whatever. And when it gets to the practical side of like what they have to do. Well, no, because look at the Plymouth Prowler. Oh.

The Plymouth Prowler is a bat-shit crazy car. And it made it to street legal. So clearly there's a, you know, There's a world in which you can just power. I didn't see the plow plowler. You didn't see the plowler? No, I didn't see this one. What's the deal with it?

Oh, it was old school. Oh, this was a long time ago, right? Long time ago, but it's one of those cars that you're like... Oh, yes. Oh, my God, that was the worst. I know, but it's one of those cars where you're like, hey... Look at that thing. Remember those? Yeah. Oh, God.

But you're like... Although it would be kind of dope to have one today. Does come from a con... No, would be... Oh, God, that's disgusting. You know, I'd drive it. I'd drive it. Now? Now, today, I'd drive it. They're cool. I mean, it's a bold car.

Yeah, there are some 80s cars where you look back and you're like, or even 90s where you're like, oh, they shouldn't have. A lot, there was probably 15 years of Mustang that were just god-awful. Yeah. You know? Oh, my God, that's so fun. Hyundai, thank you. Hyundai?

Thank you. I don't know if it was it offensive than I bowed? I don't know. Anyway, here we go. Worst show ever. Worst show ever, best show ever. Dude, I was too ham. This is when I quit drinking after the show.

Oh, was that? Yeah. It was embarrassing. I couldn't even meet people afterwards. That is true. I took the bullet going out there to say hi to everybody to make sure they saw, at least me. I was out there for a goodly old time. Well, Saka brought all those shots.

I mean, the shots were really what did it. That was so funny. I was forever grateful everyone came out. That was, to make us, I mean, I was like a, I felt like it was a time machine. It did feel like a time machine. And then obviously we had a Lexus on stage, which is so cool. Yeah, a lot has happened. Man, this year has been crazy.

That was March, right? Yeah. Because it was South by. Yep. God, that feels like that was so long ago. Yeah. Well, we've got, I mean, there's a big, dig stuff coming in the next few weeks. I'm allowed to say a few weeks?

Yeah, that's global enough. It's going to be really fun. And I just have to say, it's been really a blast to get back together. Yeah. And being able to do these shows and drinks. I feel like this year for Dig is going to be that one where finally we'll get out something that is, you know, not only has a feature set that is very similar to our biggest competition out there, but also can, you know, give us the time to innovate and,

try new things that are uniquely ours. And we've said this before, but it is going to be, you know, it was a long, hard road to get to an infrastructure and kind of the table stakes features that you need just to operate a massive social network. Yeah. Like, people don't understand the amount of kind of back end that has to go in there in terms of bot prevention and people signing up like fake accounts and all the security stuff that we have to do and the skillability stuff that we have to do and the AI things that we want

to add. And it was just a lot. But the team is jamming now. It's great. There are lots of people in the beta. It's amazing. Yeah. It's not a lot of people that are in beta that can say they have this many people sitting in there waiting for the doors to open. It's cool.

It's going to be a blast. This could be a good year. I love the product. I mean, it's really been fun. They just swamped out off a couple days ago, which was like now it's like 10 times faster login, which is great. And they just fixed a bug that allows for the Google login to be a lot faster. It's sometimes it's a little. I even notice that where it's like you would see the like sign in now here.

And then it would sort of remember that you were signed in and stuff like that. So, but that's, you know, it's the growing pains of a, of a new refresh and relaunch. And community creation. Yeah. It's coming. That's the thing clearly. Oh, yeah. Everyone wants that.

Yeah. It's working on the back end now. That'll be really interesting to see what communities pop up and thrive first. Because I think about how I utilize other social networks that we may not mention here. You can mention it. Anyway, so my Tumblr, I have it really tuned and I only get good stuff. No, but it, you know, I'm in like electric vehicles, cooking, food, and I think L.A. food or something like that. You're in food? You're just in food. Food, yeah, I'm just into food. He's just hang out and slash food.

Hey, man, I'll flash food all day long. I made lunch. It didn't go over very much. Anyway, all right. Sometimes you're into some weird shit. There's no way your best example for where you hang out in these communities. it's like food. Aviation. No, what's your weird shit? You got at least one. I'm not in any of the weird shit stuff. Because for a long time, I'm a very big lurker.

And so for a long time. Where do you lurk? Where are you like, oh, hello? What could go wrong? Okay. That's a fun one. Sometimes it's not fun. But when it's fun, and thankfully it's like...

Why is it not fun? When it's like, oh, that guy just broke his arm off, it's like, oh, I don't want to see that. So whenever it's like not safe or worse, I'm always like, nope, thank you. But the other stuff where it's just like people being idiots, I like that. there was another one.

Oh, Wall Street Betts? Because I do want to... Well, you're building your AI betting engine. I'm building my AI betting machine, which, by the way, I've only lost very little money. Because that's the other thing that... Did I tell you... Did you really build it?

No, no. But I told you guys... I think I told you guys on the show that I wanted to, like, basically come up with an AI that would go through... In Pixar's... ...in the morning and just get to take the temperature of the group. Yes.

To then be able to see when... things because by the time I'm reading it at like 11 o'clock in the afternoon or 11 o'clock in the morning it's like look I much money my money I made this morning on this thing and I was like I mean I like I want to make money I know you do anyway did you write it or no no no okay but I did do I was telling these guys before you got here I did have my first moment which is you know we've talked about all the stuff where you know it was going to you know we may live in a future we may live in a codeless world where you just ask a computer, a question, or to help you solve a problem, it will generate a program in that moment for you to solve that problem and then

get rid of that program. I went away for the weekend with some buddies to Palm Springs, and one of the things that we do is we, and I love spreadsheets, man who just loves... And he love Palm Springs. Fuck around with... I do love Palm Springs. It's very nice. But we all pay for something, and then at the end of the weekend, I'm just like, send me the race. receipts and I'll say like, you need to, you take this. Splitting it up, if you will. Splitting it up, as they say.

So I sat down. So I sat down and rather than calculating it out on a spreadsheet, which is what I would do before, I just asked cursor. I said, make me a web app where I can put in receipts for multiple people over the day and it'll tell me who owes what to who in order to even it out. Wait, why didn't you just drag that in the chat, TBT, Intel to do it? Because again, you built and deployed an iOS app to like- It wasn't iOS app.

I did it as a web app. But you built a whole web app? Yeah. And guess what? It was fucking easy. Yeah, that could have been a single clock. That's a single prompt, though. No, but I was able to, because I didn't have all the information.

So I put in some stuff to see if it worked. It did work. And then as things were trickling in, I would add it into the web app. And then I even set it up. I was like, hey, can you make it so that I can press a share button and I'll send a PDF breakdown of what happened. Thank you. Thank you. And then, of course, I was like,

oh maybe I should just deploy this and let people who are going on trips do it and I showed Heather and she was like oh yeah I have an app on my phone that does that yeah yeah fuck off anyway this is a good segue to your financial advice clip wait I got it's oh before we go there I just want to say what I do do I want to say what I do I've been going on there's a couple of subwriters that I do enjoy I will admit and I'm excited to open some up on dig one that's cap more people I've been hanging out on slash autism interesting for any specific reason because I've been listening to listen to the telepathy tapes. Okay, I don't know what that is. What? There is a podcast called the telepathy tapes. Oh, you might have said this on the show. And I promptly forgot. I'm telling you people, listen.

Okay. It's the holidays, you got some travel, you go drive somewhere, you don't want to listen to your parents. Yep. Put on season one, episode one of the telepathy tapes is about these kids that they teach them how to use

like an iPad to spell with because they can't, they're nonverbal. Oh, yeah. And they figured out that even, though they have autism and they're nonverbal, they actually are, you know, so many people have historically kind of like put these people into a bucket of being like, oh, you know, out of disadvantage in some way, you know, either like mentally or just not, you know, not even taught them like, you know, they wouldn't have them go to a proper school and they always,

would treat them like they're not actually in there, you know? And the lovely tips, one of the things that it points out, which I think is amazing, is that they show that not only have these very capable humans, but they sometimes have extraordinary abilities that other people don't. Because their senses in some ways are actually more heightened in other areas, and they are showing freaking telepathy happen

between these kids and between sometimes kids and facilitators. It is very compelling. Now, I will say that... It's all scripted, but... No, no, no, no, no. I have watched some of the videos. I will say that with anything like this, there are people that have used it for fraud

and things like that and tried to take advantage and all that and I do believe that there is a couple of those in here but there is a couple of the cases that I've watched the videos and I've watched and perform it and I'm like I've seen David Bland enough times

I'm like I have no idea how these kids are doing it it's very compelling and then they get into savants yeah yeah like there are actually humans that can read two pages at the same time oh yeah dude and it's just

it's wild shit and so the thinking now is it's less about, it's more about, so if consciousness is the fundamental fabric of all things, it's actually their brain is able to tap into more of the global cloud-like minds, and that's where they're able to speak languages that they've never known before. Like, you would think, okay, you have a kid, and he's speaking there, have one kid that they show us an example in this podcast,

that they could give them Egyptian hieroglyphics, and he would know exactly what the symbols meant and tell you what they meant and, like, spell it out. Wow. Like, how is that even possible? The kid never read any, like, books on hieroglyphics and shit. And so the best that they have is, like, the reason why these kids all of a sudden have perfect knowledge of a language they never spoke and all these things is that

it's all out in the cloud ether, like the wireless, and they can tap into it. It's crazy, dude. It's a really good podcast. But anyway, what I wanted to do was when I was in autism because these kids have autism, but what I wanted to do is I wanted to do a search for telepathy before this podcast came out. Because, of course, once it comes out, everyone's like, like, oh, telepathy, this, blah, blah, blah, and it gets really noisy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But if you look back, there were certain threads that were like, hey, does anybody else think they have telepathy in here? And, like, four years ago, this would not even podcast, right? Right, yeah. So you're getting to see, like, that raw, raw data before it got all, you know. That's so interesting. It's really cool. It's really cool.

Anyway, I highly recommend that as something to listen to. You'll thank me for it later. All right, well, as I state in this clip, I will state it again, I am not a financial advisor or a financial industry executive. so anything that I say here should not be used as NFA. NFA, not financial advice. Here we go.

I want to train a chat TBT on day trading because I don't have the bandwidth to like wake up at 6 a.m. You're using keywords. But you could probably train chatubt to do it on your behalf. And once that happens, everybody can just make money.

I mean, dude, your logic is sound. If everyone's making money, then no one's making money. Right. But really? You know what I mean? I'm laughing. I'm laughing. This is not financial advice? People know that. You don't have to say that. Favorite. I literally woke up the next morning.

Listen. I'm not telling you to use chat TV. Legally, I have to say. This is not financial advice. Everyone's like, yeah, yeah, we get it out. He's like, keep going. I woke up the next morning. I was like, I replayed this in my head. I started laughing. nothing out loud because, like, you know, during that episode, you were convinced that, like, you can just be like, chat, GPT, make me money and do hedge fun because you're awesome. And it just work. First off, and do hedge fund.

Right, exactly. You have to make sure you prompt it. And it's like, Alex, what a beautiful idea. You know the South Park episodes where they show you, the AI, and everything. It's like, you're so smart, Alex. Go ahead and click deploy. I mean, get your vibe coded. ChatGPT thought it was a great idea.

Yeah, exactly. Like, we'll be happy to print you money, Alex. Oh, God. Oh, I love it. It's so great. Santa hat is hot. It's a Santa hat. I know, but it doesn't breathe. How does Santa even? His head doesn't breathe.

He lives in the North Pole. See, look at Mao. He has no hair. Bacon. Bacon. Oh, you're bacon. Oh, he's bacon. Yeah, he's Canadian bacon. Well, I like the bell sound. Yeah, the bell sounds nice. Quite nice.

Yeah, the hats are hot. All right, shall we go into speaking of Chat GBT? I dropped in a chat conversation. I was having my wife in the chat GPT. Oh, boy. And I got to say, I was like, help me win the shit. You know, like, she's so she's so freaking smart. And she's freaking piece, neural scientists.

And, like, she was winning. I was like, I got a guy, yeah, she's impervious to that stuff. Wait, so what did it tell you to do? I was like, just leave, walk away. That's like, run, mother- It's a take your go-bag and leave. No, it was, take your go-back. That's not literally it's over there.

No, no, but all jokes aside, like, you can use it for so much. Now, listen, when I was younger, I used to think that Chad Chippetee should be used for winning arguments, and now I understand that I'm grown as a human. You did some meditative retreats. My therapist has told me that I am not supposed to endorse this. Exactly. I should not be putting out this as advice.

Yes. This is not a relationship advice. I'm not a licensed therapist. I will say, though, well, it's interesting. We had a family member that went totally rogue, well, extended family. It went totally rogue. and this is like it's enough removed from my family

but it's still like degrees of separation where one family member was like okay well we're getting a divorce and I'm going to take the kids and I'm not going to do what the judge said to do and not do the kid thing and the way that the judge said to do it so what was interesting is

I have another family member that you chat between was like okay using the principles of never split the difference which is that great book by the FBI negotiator Chris Voss how would I address this to this person when I talk to them on the phone? And so basically got back

this bullet list of ways to just seriously go in and have this conversation in a very blunt but way that doesn't compromise on what you actually want and when she ended up hanging up the phone was like, I got everything I wanted. Like the person is doing exactly what I wanted. There is tactics like that

that you can have its script for you that's just brilliant. Oh, that's cool. So if you're going to argue like a credit card statement or you have something that, like, you really want to... Oh, yeah, I used it for that back in the day. Yeah, yeah.

It was... Commercial Conversations. I still use that as a basis, like, rag reference. Yeah, so crucial conversations is a great book. But it's dense. You know, it's like hundreds of pages and there's, like, little nuance there that you probably won't remember.

Yep, yep. So you can go and just get the PDF and then create your own new kind of, like, container. They have them in chat, GPT. What do they call when they get a project? Customs GPT is their project. Yeah, project or whatever.

It's dragged the PDF in. And so it's always living with that context. Got it. So any new chat that you have, spin up in there is all automatically going to have that PDF associated with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're like, okay, this is my, I need to like figure out a way to negotiate one. So you could put Chris Wassner, you could put this, crucial conversations.

And then you're like, oh, they're charged me a $100 late fee on my ex. And then he's like, and it gives you the right response. And 99% of the time, dude, it works. So great. Because people want to be validated. And there's like a certain order that you have to ask for your asking. Yeah. And it's just, it's amazing.

I love that. that's the type of stuff that feels like a superpower when people have it innately. Yes. And when you don't have that, it can be very frustrating. Well, what's crazy in this is, like with anything, when you do that,

let's call it a dozen times. And you're not doing it for like nefarious things. Like you're just trying to like figure out how to communicate to structure your, what you want. Yeah. And it's still up to them if they want to say no or not. But the interesting thing is once you do it that dozen times, then all of a sudden it starts to become second nature. You get that.

And then you get that thing that we've always looked at. Because I'm like, you, I've always admired certain aspects of people, how they present themselves or how they ask for things that they want, the barriers that they're able to put up, like the boundaries that they're able to put up, and boundary protection is obviously very important. How people go are really good at saying no, I kind of suck at that. Sometimes they'll say, yes, and I'll be like, yeah, I don't really want to go. Yeah, I always said that I got this from Heather, and I can't remember where she got it, but the phrase is no is a complete sentence.

good one that's pretty good no is a complete sentence and it's and it's true like you I always feel like I had to give flavor text around it to make them not feel bad but it's also like I don't and and I will do that with people that do not have a high high meaningness impact in my life like you know like the people who you're like you don't it aren't it's like they're not really good friends yeah they're not even really good friends of friends yeah you know it's like people that you just are like, why am I, why am I falling over myself when I don't, but it's just so innate in me to be like, I want everybody to love me. People pleasing, yeah, same.

You know what's crazy is there was a study that was done actually in Chris Voss's book on The Never Split the Difference, where they did this kind of cutting in line situation where people get pissed off when other people cut in line, right? Yeah, 100%. Like it's like a thing. Yeah. But they figured out the words that you have to say in order for it to be accepted. And what's crazy is it has nothing to do with while you're cutting in line.

It just has everything to do with how you ask to cut in line. And so all you have to do is when you're about to cut in line, you say, hey, do you mind if I go ahead of you because? And then after because, it doesn't matter. There is a meme for a while on the internet. Interesting. The because thing. Yes.

Like it was just the phrase because. Right. It was just because. Because it's that reptile brain hack. Yes. If you just say no, no is a complete sentence. But if you just say, no, you're inviting the question, but why? Yeah.

If they hear that because and nothing else after. Yeah. You could say... You have completed the reptile brain. Yeah, you could go into like a line of the grocery store and say, hey, do you mind if I cut in line, I know the lines 10 people deep, it's because my lizard died. And people would be like, oh, yeah, you know? And it doesn't really matter, you know? It's crazy.

All right. Let's now discover when and the exact moment. Kevin realized he was saying... Bankless. No, not that. You were saying Netflix and chill. Oh, chill. Jesus.

Me canceling my party plans for tonight and staying at home and watching Netflix is like a win. You know those memes? Yeah, yeah. Netflix and Chill? Yeah. So...

I'm not sure if that's what that means. Yeah, that's not what that means. Netflix and Chill. That means banging. That means banging. Netflix and Chill means banging? Yeah. Kevin Rose...

I had no idea. I thought it just meant, like you use that is code for young people to go bang have you you want to come over and netflix and chill i've used that like a wrong way a lot of times be like i'm going to go Netflix and chill tonight by yourself i've said it so many times you know what that means i've said that to people i stop saying it i hate this of course you hate it i hate it because i can remember saying it to coworkers and we Did they have a look?

Well, I would just be like, they would be like, what are you doing? I'm like, I'm just Netflix and chill. And I would say that to other employees, like when I worked at Google or when I'm going to all these places. And people are like, oh, damn, he just told me he's banging. That, really? Yes.

Oh, Jesus. And worse, if you're going to a hotel room by yourself. I'm just getting Netflix and chill, put on some soft core Netflix. Oh, my God. Emily and Paris. It still stinks. It still feels like I really screwed that one up. Oh.

The show is attacking Kevin. I know. I know. Why is the whole show like anti... I chose all the clips, but... Do you have any anti-Alex clips? You know, I'm not a financial advisor. Okay, that's fair.

All right, we're going to the Spank Bank or lack thereof. Here we go. I have affidia. Affentatia. So when you think of an apple, do you just think of the concept of an apple? I feel it.

I'm being dead serious. I do not see an apple. I thought the Spank Bank was a joke. Oh, buddy. There's an actual... Bank? Oh, buddy. I had no idea you guys could look at in your head.

Oh my god. There's no spank bank in me. Oh, damn. Yeah, I know. That is so sad. Oh, buddy. I know, but I don't know what I have. I don't know why I don't have.

I don't know what I don't have. I don't know what you don't have. Spank bank is real. Is it real? Oh, yeah. Like, you can see perfect? Yeah! And you can remember stuff?

Oh, much hell yeah. Oh, you guys suck. I suck. Well, the funny thing is, after this episode ended, Alex grabs me and he's like, so, yeah, the Spanaker really is real. Let me explain to you. What you're missing?

I told my doctor this. What did he say? Well, I, we were... I mean, it's obviously a thing. I was there to get my flu shot, and I was like, I have... You're like, Doc, I got to talk to you about the Spang Bang. No, well, he's, he's like a homie. He's like, he's like, he's like, he's like,

he's like, he's like, good dude. And I was like, we chat about all kinds of stupid shit. And I was like, I was like, Doc, I have an affintation. He's like, what's that? I was like, I can't see things in my mind's eye. And I was like, I don't have a spank bank. And he just like starts laughing his ass off. And he just thought it was the funniest thing.

All you fuckers really have one. I mean, it's funny. We were talking about it. I will say it has become something that I talk about on a regular basis. My lack of? Not spank bank specifically, but affintagia or Fentaja or whatever. because, like, oh, my buddy, Dan, his wife, Priscilla has it. Oh, nice.

I literally got a text from him and was like, dude, Priscilla has that. And I was like, oh, my God. So it's been coming up more and more because it went around. So she has no bank. She has no bank, right. But it's not a, for women, it's not a spank bank. Why not? I think it's still a spank bank.

No. It's experiences that go into, I mean, yeah, maybe they wouldn't be called spank. Oh, you're making a turn. Yeah, probably like a touch bank. The term. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know how you're going. The thing that I will say, and I was saying this to Addison, before you got here, the thing that...

You were talking about my bank before I got here? Oh, yeah. Well, yeah, because we were talking about asphantasia. What is it? Affentasia. Affentasia. You have Asphantia. I do.

You do like a good ass fantasia. But the thing is, is that the spank bank, I think, is a clear epitome of what is happening. Because it's so... You can say it to someone, and they go, oh, I totally get what you mean. Yeah. Like, can you visualize an Apple is a little esoteric? But when you go, you know how Spank Bank works? And they go, yeah, you go, yeah, they don't have that because they can't visualize that moment.

Right. And it's like, I totally understand. Well, they're also really sad for you. Very sad. Which I've had that happen a handful of times now. I mean, it's not bad, but it's good. Well, you know, I think there are benefits that were just unrecognized now. We'll talk to Chatsyby.

Kevin, picking back on your autism conversation. So with the lack of the sense, what is it heightening? Yeah. Do you feel like you've developed a superpower from not having a mind's eye? It's a good question, actually. And I think it's, well, there's only a few things that I can feel, and there's a few things that over the last call it like, I don't know, probably 20 or 30 years of either just working or getting to know friends, like, as I was

kind of growing up, that people would say that they don't have the exact same thing of. And I think those are largely, I feel like my bullship detector is really high. And so the, I don't know what it is, but I feel like I can sense when something's just not right. I also feel like I can sense when things are not going to work very early. Most people will, like, believe in something that's going to work. work. And so I feel like to your point about the stock trading stuff, like the number of times I could have made money if I had shorted the stock because I saw that it wasn't going to play out

in the way that people thought it was going to play out. Oh, interesting. I was just like, oh, but that's all gut-driven. Yeah, yeah. I'd never forget when I was walk on stage for, I've told the story before. I was going on stage at Tech Ranch Disrupt with Michael Arrington. And he's like, what's your thesis around investing? And I said, well, it's all, it's all gut-based. I have to visualize not in my mind's eye, but in my emotional eye, kind of like, how people are going to feel about this product over the next decade. And that is heightened in that I feel a very emotional connection to products and to experiences and to things and to people.

And so that is different. Because there's nothing to visualize. So when I'm thinking about the future of something, I'm not picturing it. It's like an emotional feeling. I'll never forget when Twitter was very early. And the reason why I invested very early on was I immediately felt kind of the impact. it was going to have. Like I could see what was going to happen when celebrities picked it up. I was like, oh, this is an emotional connection that everyone's going to have in a way that

they are going to feel comfortable doing emotionally because they don't have to have a two-way conversation. It's not like you're throwing people into a chat room with someone. And so it's like a one-to-mini blast. And it was very emotional. I could watch how people would be interacting and how they would feel comfortable doing those things in a way that they hadn't been in the past. And so it was a lot of waiting through those emotions that was like, oh, I got to do that. And that's like investing for me, like the best deals that I've ever done have been the ones that have that emotional baggage with it that I can feel either positive or avoid something on the negative side. Now, I missed a lot of stuff too. Yeah.

It's not perfect, but it's, it is the one thing that feels a little heightened. That's so cool. Yeah. But I'd give it all up for a little bank. I'm just kidding. I mean, you would. You would. Here we go.

All right. All right. So for our final clip, uh, we wanted to go back to one of the earlier episodes of this relaunch. And we have a highlight real of highlights from one of the meta, meta, meta, we're in the, we're in the loop, we're endgaming it now. Zuckerberg.

Uh, we're Zuckerberging ourselves. That's got to become something. Anyway, so let us take a look back at one of our earlier episodes. Of us taking a look back. Of us taking a look back. Nobody from the government listens to this, right? Have you ever bought him from the dark web? I can't talk about that.

Yeah. This is a show that covers a lot of the fringy, weird, a little bit of everything around the internet, as found on various social news sites. The genie is out of the bottle, and more and more governments are going to put this on their books. Who's the fucking laughing sock now? You're definitely more dominant one with the good team.

I feel a little like, eh. First off, nobody's just standing in the flight school at a zombie apocalypse. Guys, don't take the planes. I love a little bit of horror. Horror? Horror? It's the best Star Wars.

Really? Yes. There's a male depression epidemic. If you knew that you could trust the men around the table to not judge you, not try and fix you, but just listen to you and support you. Yeah. That's so fun.

Honestly, that to me really encapsulates how much fun we've been having over the last year plus. We probably should have looked up when the first episode launched. I think it was two summers ago. Like, not this summer, but the summer before. Well, my house burned down in January, so it was before last year. Yeah. But we've been having so much fun.

And thank you all for coming along this journey with us yet again. Yeah, thanks for tuning in. I really think it's awesome when I always, every month or so, I'll see a comment that's like, Dignation's back, shut the fuck up. And then they go and they freak out. Those are fun to watch because it's, we had so much fun doing the first, obviously, show, and this is a cadence that is way more approachable for us. And we're in the same city, which is awesome. And you're not moving in Italy. I'm not moving in Italy. I'm not. Even if I buy a place in Italy, I will be back. Were you going to buy a place? Oh, probably not. I always want to do things like that. September 2024. September 24. Wow. Wow, that's even farther back than I thought.

Time flies. Time flies when you're having fun. Yep. Hey, and on that note, have a safe and happy holiday season. We'll see you in January. We'll see you in 2026. Jaws. Oh.