Diggnation (rebooted) - Diggnation Live in Austin Texas: Old Rivals, New Vision

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Starting point is 00:00:40 3S 4.83 x (-1.00), 3S 4.83 x (-1.00), 3S 4.83 x (-1.00), 3S 4.83 x (-1.00), I Welcome to I'm going to be a Holy shit. Holy shit. What the fuck? What up? All right, we gotta do a show. We gotta do a show. Say hi to everybody, guys. Thank you, guys. Oh my god. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Starting point is 00:01:30 South by south fucking west. It is, man, it's Austin motherfucking Texas. Blue couch. Ikea's finest. Like, shit is like, we are. You need a laptop, Kevin. Oh, I just need a laptop. I just need a laptop.

Starting point is 00:01:38 I just need a laptop. I just need a laptop. I just need a laptop. I just need a laptop. I just need a laptop. I just need a laptop. I just need a laptop. I just need a laptop. I just need a laptop. I just need a laptop. I just need a laptop. It's been minutes! Austin, motherfucking Texas? Ikea's finest, like shit is like... You need a laptop, Kevin, to show what we do.

Starting point is 00:01:50 That's right. I got a bag right over here. You might have heard of it, it's called Dignation, whatever! I mean, it's only been 14 years. Yeah. At least everyone can legally drink now, which is huge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There were some questionable moments in previous Ignatians.

Starting point is 00:02:10 We had a lot of underage drinking, not on purpose. I have a feeling we made a lot of- What are you always talking about? You cited it! We created a generation of alcoholics, that is true. Oh, it actually is true. This is good. We gotta support alcoholism. We need an alcohol brand.

Starting point is 00:02:30 We could have somehow made more money. Oh my god. We are live streaming as well. So we are on the front page of dig.com right now. Is this live stream. I'm sorry, on the front page of what? Dig.com right now. We're stream. I'm sorry, on the front page of what.com? Uh, dig.com right now. We're gonna talk about it!

Starting point is 00:02:48 We will get into it! We will get into it. You gotta wait. This is how old we are. My kids are watching this live stream. By the way, way better than having them here, like you said you were going to.

Starting point is 00:03:06 That's right. So we approve. They're bears with me and I just wanted to let them know I got Mr. Baros here. So don't listen to what data says for the next hour. And our champagne's got a little bit better than what it used to be. Okay, well first off, Kevin, look at what Kevin was drinking. Ooh, fancy cup. He got a dixie cup.

Starting point is 00:03:29 There we go. Oh, whoa, wait a minute. What is going on? This just in. Glassware? Glassware. Holy shit. We're out of the trailer, baby!

Starting point is 00:03:40 Upgraded. There we go. Thank you for the VIP purchasers that allowed us to get glassware. That is huge. Honestly though, we know it's fucking freezing, so thank you for weathering all of this. We sold a lot of digga hoodies because of this. It is fucking cold as shit. It is cold as shit. But it's not raining.

Starting point is 00:04:08 Yes. Because when we were in LA, I was like, oh yeah, it's gonna be such a great time. And they were like, it's 60% chance of rain. And I was like, oh, I'm so sad for these poor people. No, we figured out, cheers, brother. Hey, okay. Cheers to all of you.

Starting point is 00:04:20 Cheers to all of you for being here. Thank you all so much for coming. Lovely to see you all. Yes. And oh my God, there's like a whole row of you for being here. Thank you all so much for coming. Lovely to see you all. Oh my god, there's like a whole row of people in the back. Crowd up there, hi everybody. OG Dignation, shucks! Oh, love that. Oh, from the last show?

Starting point is 00:04:38 That was from the last show? Wait, yes, because I was like, I know that. Look at that, December 30th, 2011. Wow, you never gave up. Damn it. It's been used. Fucking hell. I threw that shit away, but you never gave up.

Starting point is 00:04:55 No, I'm just kidding, I'm just kidding. Thank you, thank you. Next story, next story, next story. Moving on, moving on. Does that one says on the back, next story? Oh, it says next story. It says next story, oh story. Moving on, moving on. Does that one says on the back, next story? Oh, it says next story. It says next story. Oh my god.

Starting point is 00:05:07 I thought he was like, please don't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, alright, let's go. We've been here a little bit. It's a little cold, so if you could just, next story please. Welcome to Dignity, episode number 11. Yes, I love it. I still can't get the intro right.

Starting point is 00:05:25 I love that he was still questioning about it. Like, I'm the one guiding this project. I got the episode number right, though. I'm Kevin Rose. And I'm Alex Albrecht. Dig Nation covers some of the weekly, monthly, hottest news stories that will appear very soon on the new Dig.com. Yeah. Which is going to be crazy.

Starting point is 00:05:47 Let's just say, soon it will be much easier for us to flow with the introduction of our show. Instead of the awkward calamity that you've been witnessing for the last year. This is a true story. When we first rebooted this shit, I was like, well there is a world where Digg sues us for doing this show. I was like, let's just buy it instead. So, I just hit a key that typed a bunch of random shit. All right. Oh, it's the AI key.

Starting point is 00:06:15 Yeah, exactly. So, we have good news is that obviously you've seen Ev and Tim on stage. Huge round of applause for Ev and Tim. I mean, obviously two icons, having them here is huge. You know, Ed was a huge inspiration, you know, to me personally, for all the stuff that he's built over the years.

Starting point is 00:06:34 So that was awesome to have him here. But we have more people that are in town, the OGs that we wanted to bring out and just say, you know, they were with us along this journey all along. Well, first off, how many people have been to South by Southwest before? Okay. How many people have come to a live dig nation at South by?

Starting point is 00:06:54 All right, all right. That's fucking crazy, dude. I know. Our last show here was like 2010. 2010. That's 15 years ago. You have perfect hair, I am gray! What the fuck happened?

Starting point is 00:07:09 I used the gray ozempic. LA doctors. LA doctors. I have a lot of really good doctors behind me, propping me up. I'm basically duct tape at this point. Yes, fair enough. But it's good duct tape. You look great.

Starting point is 00:07:22 Thank you. You do too, sir. Thank you. We want to bring out a guest to talk about a story with us. We're going to have some really surprised guests. And we have one in particular that started a Dig clone that tried to compete against Dig. Oh, no. We don't think so.

Starting point is 00:07:43 This isn't who you think it is. This is Netscape.com back in the day. But now you may have heard of a podcast. What's it called then? They're all in? I don't know. It's like a lot of different names over the years. It's kind of big.

Starting point is 00:07:57 Jason Calacanis is here! Jason Calacanis is here! There we go. I feel like I gotta give you a hug. Oh my god. I have to give you some shit. Of course. I mean, you've been I gotta give you a hug.

Starting point is 00:08:06 I have to give you some shit. I mean, you fucked with me for a hard minute there, buying Netscape.com and trying to compete with the egg. Well, yeah. Hold on. Get this mic, man. Test, test, test. You hear me back there?

Starting point is 00:08:24 Man, I am so excited for the two of you guys. Because when I was on YouTube and all of a sudden I saw Dignation just show up, I was like, well that's weird, like somebody's reposting the old episodes or something. And then it was you two guys and I was like,

Starting point is 00:08:40 I am just so happy for the two of you. Because you left the game and you were such pioneers. You were podcasters before podcast existed. Give it up for these guys, right? And now, and you really, you look at what happened with podcasting and you guys have had great careers, or you have Kevin. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:09:02 I mean, he's, I was wondering what happened with Alex. Here's what happened. I was doing stuff. No, he bought Bitcoin way early and held it when we fucking sold it. So we need to work. That's what I was trying to... He's okay. He's okay.

Starting point is 00:09:18 I mean, I did buy a yacht in 2020. I have a great story. I have two good stories. Okay. I can tell one of them. So, I was with Kevin and it was the last show in Hollywood. Yeah. And man, yeah, it was such a great show. Lots of celebrities there.

Starting point is 00:09:37 I mean, you guys were at the peak. You were like peaking, peaking on late night TV. It was awesome. And you decide to end it. I'm backstage with you, Kevin, and I said, what the fuck are you doing? Why would you end? Like, this thing's peaking, keep riding it.

Starting point is 00:09:53 And he said, you're thinking the same thing. We were all thinking the same thing. And he's like, you know, J. Cal, here's the thing. I wanna get married, I wanna have kids. I just don't wanna be the guy on a couch drinking beer when I'm like 45 or 50 years old and red. Turns out he does want to be that guy. No, no, no. Turns out it's wine now.

Starting point is 00:10:15 It's wine. Same thing. Same thing. It's wine and ketamine, but it's all the same. Jason, you do ketamine one time. Yeah, yeah. For a scam. Oh. Oh. Jason, you do get to me one time. Yeah, yeah. For a week. Actually, I did. You did it in the trailer five minutes ago.

Starting point is 00:10:29 Well, you did. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. We're joking. We're joking. I do want to also say how proud I am of you. Oh, also, I'm so glad you're safe.

Starting point is 00:10:40 I mean, people may not know, but your house was impacted by the Pacific Palisades fire, and you have such equanimity. You've grown into such, like, an amazing human, you know, over the years since I met you when you were 20, I think, or 21. You tried to buy a dig when he was six months old. He... It's a true story. This is a crazy story. I was running in Gadget, and they're telling me, like,

Starting point is 00:11:04 we're getting all this traffic from this dig thing. And I'm like, really, Peter? What is it? He shows it to me and I'm like, okay, we'll buy it. Don't worry. So I invited him. You took me to sushi. I take him to sushi in Santa Monica.

Starting point is 00:11:15 I said, listen, kid. It was this shitty sushi place. It wasn't very good. I said, how much have you spent on this? Tell me everything. He tells me the whole story. He's like, I spent six or 7,000 building the website. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:11:26 I said, I tell you what, I'll give you a million dollars. And he looks at me and he's like, I'm sorry? Yeah. I said, I will give you $1 million right now. But then you sent me the term sheet, bitch. And it was all littered with all this shit. It was a lot of stuff. It was a lot of stuff.

Starting point is 00:11:42 But anyway, it was like, you get like a hundred K like over the next two years and then maybe... Anyway, I was hustling. I was hustling. But the good news was he took...the great news was you were so smart. He took the term sheet he went to investors. He's like

Starting point is 00:12:00 Calacanis will give me a million. What will you give me? And you raised the round. Well done. But I'm just, you, you, um, psychedelics, I believe, have the ability to end a massive amount of suffering in the world. And they have been marginalized in society, right? I didn't do that many. I just did that one. No, no, no.

Starting point is 00:12:24 I have a point here. Wait. I think what I'm doing. What are we talking about? I'm not do that many. I just did that one. No, no, no. I have a point here. Wait. I think what I'm talking about... I'm not Tim Ferriss. This is my point. It's stigmatized, and you and Tim Ferriss, who did an amazing job, I think have done so much to demystify it, and you did an episode where you talked about, hey, the impact ketamine therapy, legitimate, not like at Burning Man, like legitimate. And I was just so proud of you.

Starting point is 00:12:49 And like, how much less suffering you and Tim will, how much suffering in the world will be reduced by you explaining the impact it had on you? So I'm just very proud of you. I think that deserves a round of applause. I mean, it is one of those things that's a very slippery slope because I'm very, we're all very aware of the abuse side of the thing.

Starting point is 00:13:12 Yes. But also, you know, I had one person that we could talk about offline at one point, but is, would consider to be like a Fortune 500 type CEO that reached out to me and was like, I was really suffering and I went and did this and it rebooted my whole life. And it's not like they do it forever. They do a series and they're done. And just hearing that was like, if somebody can get

Starting point is 00:13:36 help, like that makes me happy. So anyway. It's very important to understand like this is not, this is a very serious treatment. Our dear friend Tony Shay who was a huge dig fan passed away at the last live show That's the last place I saw and the last time I saw him was at the dig nation here live So yeah, I'm just so happy for both of you and thanks man I watched it, you know I don't know really or nine out of the last episodes and seeing you guys have such fun

Starting point is 00:14:02 It's so great that you're coming back to this. I just, I'm so excited. Give it up. I mean, enough, enough. That has always been what was so glorious about this show from the beginning was that, I mean, I remember our first live show at Ski Chalet, Ski Chalet? Chalet?

Starting point is 00:14:20 Something Chalet? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we literally, I remember having a conversation with you outside. We were like, I don't think, you were like, I don't think anybody's going to show up to this. And I was like, that's okay. We can just go in and do our show.

Starting point is 00:14:33 Like that's fine. If one person shows up, that will make us so happy. Like that's crazy. And we walk in and the entire place is packed with people. And it was just like, whoa! And it was all us, you know what I mean? Like every single person we met, we were like, bro, you are like the guy I play Call of Duty with

Starting point is 00:14:51 that is like my best friend and best man at my wedding. Like, this is crazy. We were all, like, we found this community of people that just all love. That is the awesome thing about podcasting in general is like you found the community now. Which I mean, those that listen to the All In Podcasts obviously know. Which is crazy because, dude, you did that freaking thing in LA and there were a line

Starting point is 00:15:11 of people to come up and hang out with you, which was just like, I'm like, what the fuck? I think friendship and working on friendship, you know, we're older now, so we get to look back on 30 years of our lives, right? Or in Alex's case, it's 45. 45, 45 years. He's a little older than us, but great doctors. Great doctors. I told them, it's all duct tape.

Starting point is 00:15:34 I don't know what. It's all good, it's all good. NASA. NASA. Right? When you look back on your life, it's a series of memories, right? And the best memories that you two will have

Starting point is 00:15:47 are when you're doing the show before the show, after the show laughing. And a lot of the best memories we have are being included in that. So you're actually demonstrating what it's like to be good friends. That is the reward. That's the reward is the friendship and the camaraderie.

Starting point is 00:16:05 And I'm so excited that you guys have a reason to get together every week and spend those three hours with each other because it's hard. You got kids. You have a dog. I have a dog. Dog. Very time consuming dog.

Starting point is 00:16:19 And a beautiful wife. And a beautiful wife. And a beautiful wife. I had to say that. Why did I have to say that for you? You also have a beautiful wife. I know beautiful wife. And a beautiful wife. I had to say that. Why did I have to say that for you? No. You also have a beautiful wife. I know.

Starting point is 00:16:28 She's here as well. We are really bad at this. Serious question, Kevin. Have you met his beautiful imaginary wife yet? That's a good question. When I say how she is, it's like the perfect thing on paper. Hey guys, what's in the news? Oh my God. Literally next story. Literally next story. Alright, let's cover one story

Starting point is 00:16:49 with you real quick and then we got some more guests to bring on. I know, it's gonna be so fun. But we wanted to get your take on this because you are a very early Tesla guy. Yeah, early electric car guy. You have the first Model X. I had the first Model S ever made and the 16th Roadster, yeah. That's insane. So, solid state battery road test begins. Yes. So Mercedes has finally started actually road testing production models on the streets. They're saying 620 miles a charge. Yeah. I mean the thing about range is, know most rides in the United States are gonna be 20 30 miles So the ice industry the combustible engine industry literally put out bad information out there

Starting point is 00:17:35 That like you're gonna get stuck on the side of the road You don't have enough range anybody who has an electric vehicle with over 200 300 miles Which is the standard now, 300 really. You're not gonna have this experience, except when you go on a road trip. And if you use a supercharger, you understand that it's actually not a big inconvenience. And so what I like about these is it's gonna get the people

Starting point is 00:17:58 who are in rural areas, right? Don't worry about that, it's fine. Yeah, it's all good. It's a tsunami or I don't know what's on it. It's just shell trying to stop me from talking. Come to Texas, it's really hot. It's a tsunami or I don't know what's on your mind. By the way, come to Texas, it's really hot. Buy our hoodies. We actually said that, we were like, oh, we're selling hoodies. You know, but I think that there's all in hoodies over there now.

Starting point is 00:18:16 Nobody's buying them, I don't know what's going on. Why are we selling that merch? I think the more important thing is really self-driving. And, you know, the last 10% of any technology is hard and We're watching this with AI right something we talked about for the last 20 years And it's actually happening now, and it's that you have you ever see the weight, but why? chart where it's like

Starting point is 00:18:43 Incremental incremental incremental and then boom. Exponential, yeah. Exponential. We're literally coming up the exponential curve right now and it's scary, it's inspiring, but we will be sitting here in maybe four or five dignations at South By, and there's not gonna be many humans driving cars.

Starting point is 00:19:04 Yeah, yeah. I think we're going to be about a third of the ride. Because LA, Waymo is like, I mean, I talk about this with my wife all the time. We so prefer Waymo. There's a part of us that goes, I feel bad because like nobody's getting paid. Like a computer is getting paid. Like my Nvidia 5080 is getting paid to take me somewhere. And then I'm like, yeah, but like,

Starting point is 00:19:26 I don't have to worry about what that guy wants to talk about. And we've had some. Dude, we- Like cold he has. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like cough, cough. And he's like, uh.

Starting point is 00:19:35 Wait, are you saying that you join the FSD club? I don't know what that means. Oh, you don't know what the FSD club is? Is that Full Self Driving Bang Club? No, it has cameras. You bang in there? Wow, I didn cameras! Oh, you bang in there? Wow, I didn't say that, but maybe a little... Wait! Maybe you mean...

Starting point is 00:19:50 This is what millennials are doing! You join the FSD Club, this is a real thing! Oh my god, this is amazing! I'll take you guys to... No, we're not going to the car wash! Guys, we're older now, it's different! It's a whole new world! There's like different genders now

Starting point is 00:20:05 than when we started DiggNation. If you put Digg on your podcast, we can work out something. We can work something out. But join the FSD Club. All jokes aside though, one question for you before we wrap up and bring out the next guest. Are you long Uber or are you thinking like

Starting point is 00:20:21 Waymo and Tesla rules this world? I think there's gonna be... The big winner will be those three that you mentioned. Also a company out of China called BYD. But why will Uber be one of those? No, no, no. Because Uber will be. I tried to book a Waymo here and they said book a Uber app. I know, but that's like they're eating their shit.

Starting point is 00:20:39 This is gonna take... Chicken Katsutori. You would need 30, 40, 50... And I'm not just talking my book here. I do have Uber here, I do have Uber shows, I do have shares in other companies. It's gonna take 30, 40, 50 million of these cars in the United States and it's gonna take 10 years to build them.

Starting point is 00:20:54 And that will cost, you know, tens to hundreds of billions of dollars. It'll be more money than's ever been spent on one company. So what you're gonna see is probably 10 companies are figuring this out in the same two year period. But Elon will certainly be in the top three. My prediction will be Waymo, DoorDash, Amazon, Zuke's. You're going to see consolidation. So if you were holding Uber, Lyft, DoorDash,

Starting point is 00:21:21 those companies, they're going to merge. And they'll be a trillion dollar winner. So I think I would hold all of those, not financial advice. Uber, Lyft, DoorDash, those companies, they're gonna merge. And they'll be a trillion dollar winner. So I think I would hold all of those, not financial advice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not financially advice. Well, thank you, Jason. Jason, you're doing a great job.

Starting point is 00:21:32 Appreciate it. Love you very much. Thank you. Good to see you, buddy. Thanks for coming out, man. Oh my God. All right. Cali-can-ness.

Starting point is 00:21:42 I gotta tell you a real quick story. Jason Cali-can's story, it's my favorite. It's a South by Southwest story. I was tell you a real quick story. Yeah. Jason Calacanis' story. It's my favorite. It's a South by Southwest story. I was on the streets of South by Southwest as a young pup just after I did a show. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:21:53 And I walked up and I saw... Was that me? Or is that... That might be stick mic. I don't know. But I walked up and I see Calacanis on the street and he's like, Alex, Alex, Alex.

Starting point is 00:22:02 What's better? Four Square or Gowalla? Right, enough people know what I'm talking about. And I go, I go, look, I love Foursquare, that's the OG, but Gowalla, it's just so much more better designed. It was gorgeous. And he goes, this is the founder of Foursquare. And I was like, fucking Jason!

Starting point is 00:22:22 What the fuck, bro? Classic. That's what we call classic Calacanis. Classic. All right. It's really fun being here. It is. Thank you all for coming.

Starting point is 00:22:34 Hopefully you guys are not too cold, and girl, are not too cold. By the way, I've been telling that joke for literally 20 years. But it always works. It always works. Because the four of them are like, yeah, we're here. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:22:47 Yeah. Woo. All right, so we have another old, old friend that has been a mentor, a good homie. And the second my house burned down, sent me boxes of clothes and things. Clothes. And I'm actually wearing his belt right now

Starting point is 00:23:07 that he sent me. I just want to say a huge thank you. Love this guy. Chris Sokka, everybody. Hey! Hey! Oh, you brought a bag. Oh, my God.

Starting point is 00:23:21 Good to see you. Thanks for coming. Love you, brother. Yeah. All right. Well, I was a little heartbroken to hear Oh my god, good to see you. Thanks for coming. Love you brother. Alright. Well I was a little heartbroken to hear how many people in the audience weren't here for the last Dignation Live. Thank you! It was just mattering.

Starting point is 00:23:37 And this goes a little hand in hand. Oh my god, this is concerning. This goes a little hand in hand. There were some Aspersians cast on the last podcast that maybe you've been dying your hair. Oh, shit. So I thought we could just put a little of this to rest right away and give all these people a little taste of what it used to look like back in 2010.

Starting point is 00:23:59 Oh my god, my golden locks are back, everybody! Right? Am I right? I feel like, I feel like... My hair never looked like this. Oh my God! First off, all of a sudden it's a Wayne's World episode. Yeah, party on, Wayne! All right.

Starting point is 00:24:18 Under the hat it looks... But by the way, you didn't bring yourself a hat? Oh, dude, I never roll naked. What are you talking about? Of course I got one. Oh my God, this is amazing, Saga. Yeah! Let's go. Let's go! All right.

Starting point is 00:24:34 Oh my God, our podcast can be called Two Mullets and a Grandma. Timmy Tim Tim Ferris did a book called Tools of Titans where he asked all these business people for business advice. The one he printed next to my name is, mullet wigs always level it up. So I feel like if I don't leave the house with a few,

Starting point is 00:24:53 I'm letting you guys down. All right, second thing is I brought a little, I just found this thing out in the alleyway. That's what we call hobo liquor. I've heard, I don't know, I Googled it. It said something about it's the only 100 point tequila in history called Como Ciquilla. Wait, what?

Starting point is 00:25:11 I don't know. And it's weird because I also found three pieces of crystalware. This Austin is a wild place. All right, I'm putting... Mike, by the way, I hope people think that you just got out of like an Uber and some lady was like, Hey, this is the only 100 point tequila in the history of tequila. And you were like, I mean, I guess I'll take it.

Starting point is 00:25:34 And then somebody else was like, here's some crystal. Saka. I mean, I'll leave it to you. Really? Really? Really? I mean, it's Dignation, right? Fucking Dignation, let's go! Motherfucker! That's damn good.

Starting point is 00:25:57 No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. By the way, I think a lot of people know this. Tequila and I have had many conversations. By the way, have I told, I think I've told you the story. I'm going to tell it again because I love this story. Thank you. I wish I could wipe everybody's memory and just tell you the five fun stories of my life.

Starting point is 00:26:20 You're like that old grandpa that just keeps telling the old shit over and over again. Do you remember when I was in the Civil War? Here we go. Oh my god, Sokka, I love you. First off, don't rush the stage. It's just tequila. It's just tequila. It would be good for the brand if somebody died rushing for the tequila,

Starting point is 00:26:37 but I just don't want blood on my hands tonight. If all of a sudden they were like, uh buddy, you shouldn't be pouring our tequila, you're gonna kill us. Okay, so here's the story. You ready for this? How many people remember, you don't have to have been there, but remember the Reno episode. Woo!

Starting point is 00:26:56 So the Reno episode was the drunkest I've ever been in my life. Second drunkest he's ever been. I had a shrimp cocktail and a hot tub later that night. It was fantastic. Hey, I was asking. So, thank you so much. So I fly hungover all the time for this show.

Starting point is 00:27:14 I'm on a fucking regional jet leaving Reno, flying into Burbank, California. And it's a small plane, but it's one of those planes where you have to walk past the people in Coach, me, Dignation host, to get to first class. And so I'm just sitting there, just praying that it'll be over soon. I was gonna throw up in the thing,

Starting point is 00:27:36 which I did a couple of times on the plane, which is great. I have thrown up on planes because of this fucking show. That's for you. That is for you guys. Yeah. And so I'm just in my space. I'm, like, fucking owning this horrible shit.

Starting point is 00:27:54 And this person just fucking cranks my arm, just walking past me to first class. And I whip around just with this demon's eye in my face, and I hear this lovely sweet voice go, oh, sorry, man. And it literally was Stevie Wonder. Oh! Oh! Oh!

Starting point is 00:28:09 Oh! Oh! Not only a blind person, but Stevie fucking Wonder, because he had done a show in Reno, and I was just like, oh man, the things that Dig gets me to do. Like, I have a moment things that Dig gets me to do.

Starting point is 00:28:25 Like I have a moment where Stevie Wonder hit me and I was mad at Stevie Wonder. Anyway, love it. Let's do a live shark tank tonight. No, no. First I just want to say, I'm literally sitting in hollowed ground right now. I mean, Jason Calacanis was here, everybody.

Starting point is 00:28:42 I mean, one of the besties. I mean, they're all in. I mean, like, think about that. Oh, wait, is mean, one of the besties. I mean, the All In. I mean, like, think about that. Is there a mic on the floor? Oh, is this it? Hold on. There we go. Oh, there we go.

Starting point is 00:28:50 Yeah, can we turn off four? I mean, what those guys have accomplished with the All In podcast, right? I mean, can I hear it for the besties? Right? I mean, you guys, to take an incredible platform for pitching SPAC in crypto scams, and to take that and pivot it into a human centipede

Starting point is 00:29:14 with MAGA hats on is just an incredible all-time move. I'm just, I am in awe of the entrepreneurial spirit there. I knew you were gonna come after him, Zach. I love it. I love it. By the way, all of this is just landing more and more because of the hair. All right, shall we get to a story? We've got one story we wanted to talk about.

Starting point is 00:29:34 I love this story. I can't wait to hear this. I love this story because it really just puts into perspective entertainment in the world that we currently live in. TikTokers dropping heavy objects. We got one. You identify as a TikToker? Dropping heavy objects on their feet in a viral trend.

Starting point is 00:29:52 Have you seen those people dropping shit on their feet? They risk permanent pain. Bro, you guys need to get on the Internet. Because I will tell you, this is wild shit. One of my favorite people on the internet that I kept telling, and I was like, I don't understand this. I watch a lot of it. But I don't understand how this is the thing.

Starting point is 00:30:10 It's a guy who hits himself in the shins. Just let that sink in. In the shins with things, and he then rates how painful they were. But I mean, he'll like run a riding mower down a hill and just stand there with its like boom arm out and let it hit it directly in the shin. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:30:34 Well, look, I mean, look, not to be all get off my lawn. But this is literally what happens when you have an entire generation that's just grown up with participation medals. They've never suffered. They don't know what pain is. And so they literally subscribe to channels to see people experience pain for the first time ever. That's what it's come to everybody.

Starting point is 00:30:55 Yeah, they literally are like, I've never been hit in the shin. First off, you're fucking welcome. It's the worst. I can tap my shin and I'm out for a week Yeah, like the wrong thing. I fucking hit my shin on the bed at the hotel last night And my brother was like, oh my god, are you okay? I got so what's the what do you guys have a price like what's the price for like a computer monitor on the foot?

Starting point is 00:31:19 I mean everything everything has a price, right? Everything has a price, right? Sokka, everything has a price. If any 80s movie... What's your price, baby? If any 80s movie... Look, look. Some of you may or may not know, but there was some... There was $20,000 available to Tim Ferriss if he came out here and assed Les Chaps tonight. Oh, that was true.

Starting point is 00:31:39 And apparently $20,000 to charity. To charity. What a selfish bastard. For the children. Tim Ferriss would not wear assless chaps for the children. Chris, did you hear the story about when he went to look for him, did he tell you that? No, no.

Starting point is 00:31:58 Please tell us. This is the true story. So I hit Tim up and I'm like, Tim, and I didn't say to him, I'm like, I got five on it, charity, come out and assless chaps. And he's like, will you do it? And I'm like, no. But, but, but. Kevin's such a fucking instigator.

Starting point is 00:32:12 So I'm assuming you matched some portion of that to get him up there, because we're on a thread together about stupid shit. But what Tim does is he goes to the store and he's like, do you have any assless chaps? And the guy's like, all you have any assless chaps? And the guy's like, all chaps are assless Tim. And he's like, fuck, I gave away my card there.

Starting point is 00:32:32 Like, I kinda didn't want them to know that's what I was buying them for. Yeah, they're like, clearly you don't know anything about chaps, sir. Here's the door. They swing out and then they'll swing back. Please tell me he's coming up on stage assless. There's that I mean, right We're just trying to get our numbers up people we're trying to get more viewership

Starting point is 00:32:54 We don't know if it's gonna work or not and Mike will be other way But Timmy actually told me he'll come up in the assless chaps if we do one more shot at tequila Shut the fuck up. No, that's right He's right there. He said yes. No, no, no. I have your insight. Some guy said no.

Starting point is 00:33:09 I have your insight. I have to see Tim. Yeah, he's right there. You can see him, baby. He's recording it though. Right on the stairs. Be weird. Right, he's right there.

Starting point is 00:33:16 No, he's not. He's holding that camera, shooting it at him. Let's go. One more shot. I'll do a half a shot. To my brother's room. Not if this was us. There he is, there he is.

Starting point is 00:33:26 There he is, there he is. There he is, we see him. Two seconds. Come on, a little bit of cheek. Oh my God. Come on, sweet cheeks, here we go. There he is, there he is. Oh my God.

Starting point is 00:33:40 Oh my God, that would have been the best. Dude. Fuck you. I love Mike. You love Mike, you love Mike. Give him Mike. All right, we'll have been the best. Dude. Fuck you. I love Mike. Oh, you don't have a Mike. You don't have a Mike. You don't have a Mike. Alright, we'll bring you up in a second.

Starting point is 00:33:49 I mean, those pants are so bad, you should take them off. Oh my god. Oh my god. Kevin, Kevin, Kevin. He's a guest. He's a guest. He's a guest. He is a guest.

Starting point is 00:33:59 Okay. Pants are electric. First of all, let's fucking go. Cheers. That's what I'm talking about. Dignation Vines! Ha! Hollywood!

Starting point is 00:34:09 My doctor was like, don't do that ever again. And now we are, uh... By the way, I will send your doctor some of my magic duct tape. It'll be fun. He'll be like, your cholesterol is lower and you're so silver. Whatever it takes. Whatever it takes. Between the two of you, who would drop the heaviest thing on their foot though?

Starting point is 00:34:28 Oh, fuck, okay. Just in general? Just be, I mean, you guys have decades of friendship, you know each other well. I mean, the thing is, I mean, look, I would rather do an organic Tide Pod than, because they have those on toxic ones and that was a thing on TikTok. Like, I could do that. I love that you're like, I'm gonna eat a Tide Pod.

Starting point is 00:34:48 Can I have one of the non-toxic, organic rice grains? I don't want to die! That's the point of the TikTok! But I also want a trend. So it's dying versus trending. So you would have the fake Tide Pod. Yes.

Starting point is 00:35:02 And you would just be like, you're like, this is so good! And they're like, Kevin, that's Adderall. You shouldn't be having that. I mean, whatever. You're like, I don't know. I feel amazing. Let's work some stuff.

Starting point is 00:35:10 What do you think about this trend? So you're an investor in all kinds of shit. Yeah, all kinds of self-destruction. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're a big early adopter in the drop footing. No, I think it screams desperation for validation. Wait, did somebody say All In Podcast again? No, I think it screams, like, desperation for validation. Wait, did somebody say all in podcast again? No, I'm not talking about that at all.

Starting point is 00:35:29 I'm talking about you guys. Jesus. Why does everyone always jump to that? We did have a very fight-themed... By the way, did you guys like the images that we worked... Kevin and I spent a month just really hitting the gym. Where'd you find those guys? They look a lot like you.

Starting point is 00:35:48 I mean, we trained the AI models. Yeah, we trained the AI models. And they got us right. We lost, we both lost a kidney without drinking water. That worked. So what were we talking about before? Okay, so Dropping look. Okay. Here's the thing though again

Starting point is 00:36:13 Yeah, because this is like a time machine like let's go back and I I love seeing my people in this audience The gen x represent look dropping shit on your foot and everything our generation would just take shots to the balls I mean the jackass guys proved the way to riches is to take nut shots. I mean, this is for softies, this totion. Let's do it today. Let's get real. Kevin literally just assumed the position. He was like, as soon as you were like, we used to take nut shots, he was like, yeah. I mean, I don't even know.

Starting point is 00:36:37 Oh, what? Listen, I've had two shots of tequila. I drink zero shots of tequila normally. By the way, the hair is actually working for you. I drink zero shots of tequila normally. I've had two shots of tequila. By the way, the hair is actually working for you. We're not going to get into... Just saying, that's just me. Drop in the story, but on some real real,

Starting point is 00:36:52 you were one of the biggest investors in Twitter way back in the day. What do you think about the future of social? I apologize for everything I did to shred the fabric of society. The blood is on my hand for reinventing fentanyl-laced cigarettes. And so, my bad. Um, and... Yeah, it was the men's fault of social media. That was a hard one to put you on the spot there. I'm sorry, sorry, Grace.

Starting point is 00:37:19 I just love that you tried to hide in the hair. Yeah, you were like, I just pulled my hair down. My name is Carl. I don't know who that guy was. What does that mean? A seeding hairline? Like, in this direction? A seeding hairline? It's like, fuck that, we're going to the neck. Well, look, I think the future of social is my agents will talk to your agents,

Starting point is 00:37:40 and it'll all be agentic. I actually think the future of social is this again. It is getting back to hanging out in person. It is about connection, yes. I think the machines plus COVID all showed us that we need to be in the presence of other people again. And so if I'm wrong, anything, it is the hangout in your town. It is the place where the devices go away

Starting point is 00:38:03 and you actually get to interact with people, and particularly people who aren't like you. I feel very, very lucky to live in Montana where, like, I don't think most of my neighbors vote the way I do, but we are neighbors and we look out for each other, and I just really, really crave being around those people again. And I think the machines are gonna take

Starting point is 00:38:21 all of our fucking jobs. Yeah. So let's just party. If you want to be super depressed, listen to me on the Tim Ferriss podcast. Oh, wow. Your intro for the Tim Ferriss podcast is one of the best in the world. You have to listen to it. It was fantastic. So my wife brought this up. She said that Americans are not having parties anymore.

Starting point is 00:38:39 No, they're not just not having parties. And we decided we gotta fucking bring the party back. We gotta bring the house party back. We gotta just invite house party back. No, look, we gotta just invite 30 friends and just be like, who the fuck shows up? Doesn't matter. Wait, they're not, you just take that sentence back. Americans are not fucking anymore either. The kids these days, they're not drinking,

Starting point is 00:38:58 they don't wanna drive, and they have no sex anymore. And so, wait, what? We're duped. We're on the right side of that track. Yeah. No, but I mean, look, nobody has a chance to fuck up anymore. Right. And so raise your hand if you poured some water back into your parents vodka bottle

Starting point is 00:39:16 to like cover. Yes. Right. Right. How many people here have ever talked their way out of a situation with the cops? How many people have ever here snuck into or talked their way into a club? Yeah! Right? I mean, it's just, Kevin, where are you?

Starting point is 00:39:31 No, go to any fancy school and ask those same questions and you'll only hear the fucking crickets. And yet, all the valedictorians and all the SAT winners, God bless you, I'm telling you, we have trained all of the fuck-ups out of this society right now. All the things that made us human are the only things the machines can't program for yet.

Starting point is 00:39:52 And the only thing that will keep us from dying is being our unpredictable, broken, fucked-up selves. So please raise your kids to be degenerates. Chris Sata, ladies and gentlemen! Thank you, everybody. Fucking hell, everybody. Oh, that was so funny. I love you, brother. Thank you. For sure? everybody! Oh, good hell, everybody. Oh, that was so fun. I love you, brother.

Starting point is 00:40:07 Thank you. No, no, no, no. Hell no. Hell no. Oh! That was the best. Oh, now you can just take the wigs off? Well, it's just...

Starting point is 00:40:17 Keep it on! Do I... Keep it on! Are you saying I look better like this? I mean, I still have hair. I look like a Golden Girl, everybody. My kids are gonna be like, why is he dressing up?

Starting point is 00:40:31 By the way, Golden Girls were way younger than you thought when that show was on. Dude, Golden Girls were like 45. I feel so bad about that. No, but when you look at them, you're like, oh. Like, but it...

Starting point is 00:40:42 I mean, I don't do that. They're dead now. I mean, Kevin sure knows how to bring it fucking down. Listen, I've had two shots of tequila out of nowhere. I didn't have two shots of tequila out of nowhere. Our next guest is an old-time friend. Oh, baby. And we're excited to bring up for a story

Starting point is 00:40:59 Mr. Tim Ferriss, everyone. Hey! Hey! Come on. Oh, my God. Good to see you, my friend. So fun. This pants them off. Assless chaps. Assless chaps.

Starting point is 00:41:16 Assless chaps. Assless chaps. Otherwise, those chaps. Is that on? Mow, mow. What is that? Try it, try it. I love for sick Tim out of his comfort zone. My favorite thing about the random show is how can I get Tim to be like, fucking I gotta cut that out later now, dude.

Starting point is 00:41:34 That's my favorite part. That's my favorite part. Oh my God. By the way, how many people in here would have said the exact same thing? Because I fucking would. I would have been like, I want some assless chaps. All chaps are assless. You should just wear something under them.

Starting point is 00:41:54 What makes the story even better is I had to ask it in Spanish because I went to... Oh my God! I went to strip mall. It was like, you know, the grocery store or something else and then Western wear. I just went into Google Maps, and that's where it took me. Amazing. Zondes da to assless chaps.

Starting point is 00:42:10 Exactly. It was more or less what I came up with. That is fucking amazing, Tim. And there was a bit of a head tilt, and then, no. Oh, my God. By the way, there's nothing worse than the head tilt. When you walk in somewhere, and you're like, I just blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Starting point is 00:42:26 And then all of a sudden it was like, you're like, oh no, oh, I'm sorry. I don't know. I'm just going to go. I'm just going to go. I mean, it took her like four or five moments to even let me into the store. There's a buzzer. She looked at me, she was like, uh, buzz.

Starting point is 00:42:45 Oh, my god. She's like, gag ball, assless champ? Like, who the shit is he? I never should have let this guy in here. I don't think this was a Western store. I just love that you walked up and you were like, knock, knock, knock, and the lady was like, I don't think so.

Starting point is 00:42:57 She's like, is that Tim Ferriss? Yeah, I was like, no ass. I'll let him in, because I'm interested. And you guys like Sokka, huh? Brings the fire, that guy. Oh my god, Sokka. We gotta give him a t-shirt. That should be brought to you, sponsored by...

Starting point is 00:43:17 Oh! Yeah, there we go. I know, I shouldn't have invoked. I'm like a little fairy, you just say Saka and I'm like, Kiela. I don't know if I should thank Tequila or Provisual for Saka's appearance tonight. Dude, you summoned the demon. You summoned the demon. There we go. Put it back.

Starting point is 00:43:37 Love you guys. Oh my god, this is so great. So great. Kevin always needs more. I feel like we were looking in a mirror and said, Socca three times. Yeah, exactly. Socca, Socca, Socca. Candy man, candy man.

Starting point is 00:43:51 I don't care, man. I don't care. All of a sudden, it was like, whoa, shit, Tequila, fuck! What is that? What? Something tells you he owns like 90% of that company. Like, something's not right here. There's always a wrinkle.

Starting point is 00:44:03 Yeah. If you look at the bottle, it's called Chris Sock of Tequila. It's like the only 100 point tequila. Oh my god. Tim, you were one of the people I called when the dick shit was going down. Oh yeah. What's your take on all this shit?

Starting point is 00:44:20 Well, are we talking about the dick shit way back in the day or the dick shit now? I don't know what you're talking about, but let's talk about this stuff now. Although back in the day or the dick shit now? I don't know what you're talking about, but let's talk about this stuff now. Although back in the day, we're all friends here. Back when Toaster the puppy ate the podcast equipment in an early Tim Ferriss show. Way back in the day when Toaster was this big, his dog, beautiful dog, was a puppy and ate my XLR cables for a million issues of high bus. Toaster is still live.

Starting point is 00:44:46 To toasty. To toaster, to toaster. That I will, that I will cheer his to. I love that little dude. He's 14, not so long. When you called me, there are a few things that went through my mind. Number one, I was like, what an adventure this is gonna be. Number two, I was like, roughly a year ago at South by Southwest,

Starting point is 00:45:03 Kevin said publicly that he was never gonna do another startup And I said we'll fucking see about that You're like if you want to talk shit. I was like easy. Okay, it's my fault. I said responsibility and Thankfully, I'm Justin who's an amazing gonna be an amazing CEO for day who's my partner in crime on all this So I had this I had coffee with him when we we were like, maybe we should bring the show back. And I was like, yeah, how's everything going? He's like, I'm never doing a startup again. And I was like, okay.

Starting point is 00:45:30 Yeah. Yeah, all right, let's see. That's my three month thing. I know. Yes. There is a mythical woodworking shop in the forest with a handful of Japanese, you know, masters of, I thought you were gonna say something completely different. Wait, did you actually do that? That may or may not happen, I'm gonna vote for may not. Japanese you know masters of

Starting point is 00:45:50 I have always wanted to learn woodworking Like seriously, are you fucking with me? No, how do you not talk about this? We were doing it now Tim is the master woodworker. What no Fuck you guys Master woodworker don't give me this guy. No, I do want to learn Japanese joinery though. Because that's a, oh, I bought a book about it. Which is now Bird Down in the Fire. Thank you for bringing it up, Tim.

Starting point is 00:46:14 I mean, too soon. Too soon. When Kevin's Hardware Keys became a puddle of metal. Sorry about that. I will say, I will say, I always wanted to make my own chef's knife. Chef's knife? Yeah, chef's knife.

Starting point is 00:46:30 I always wanted, it's like I want to get in there and do this stuff. And my lovely wife Heather, for my birthday one year, bought me a chef's knife creation like box where like you get, it's already sort of like shaped. It's like Build-A-Bear but for a kitchen knife? It's like Build-A-Bear, but for a kitchen knife. It's like Build-A-Bear, but for a kitchen knife. You put your little heartbeat in there. Yeah. But I will say, I will say,

Starting point is 00:46:52 probably five years ago, that box is in my garage. I have never opened it. And I was always like, oh man, I would totally do that. Great way to break it to her right now, by the way. She knows. Yeah. She knew who she married. She's like, I it to her right now, by the way. She knows. Yeah. She knew who she married. But she was like, I want to be a pilot.

Starting point is 00:47:07 Nah, I don't. But what did I think? I thought, damn, well, at the very least, it's a great excuse for an old college reunion. That's what this feels like. So fun. Absolutely. So fun to get the gang back together.

Starting point is 00:47:20 And I think the, you guys are talking about this, but the sort of in real life opportunities to get to see friends in one place who have been scattered to the wind in different places around the country, around the world, it's just such a gift. I mean, I feel so grateful just to have the opportunity to hang with you guys

Starting point is 00:47:41 and all the folks backstage. It's wild. It really does feel like 2010 and the best way possible. It's really surreal. And talking to Ev about his new startup and about how it's about gathering those close connections and in what, you know, the micro communities of that Reddit is created and done so well at and then where we're going towards, it's like, it is very much about bringing these people together in a meaningful way. Yeah. It is hopefully a little less toxic than what we see today. Hopefully.

Starting point is 00:48:10 Low bar. Low bar there. Guys, if we can do something that's a little better than drinking cyanide. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, it is the internet. Hello, we all know what we do on the internet. You have multiple accounts, don't you, on shit? Bro, I'm sneaky as shit.

Starting point is 00:48:26 I'm sneaky as shit, bro. How many fake accounts do you got? How many fake accounts do I need? A billion? Fair enough. Yeah, he keeps sending me messages on WhatsApp. It's like a very cute 20-year-old Asian woman. And it's like, hi.

Starting point is 00:48:40 And I'm like, god damn it, Alex. I've told you. I'm in your God damn it, Alex. I've told you. I'm in asterisk your city asterisk for a day asterisk. I would like to find some food asterisk. You know, that always gets me the I need food line. So sexy. You know how I know Tim is always up to some shit? It's like every three or four months, Tim will be like,

Starting point is 00:49:00 what's your latest security protocol? Like kind of what you do and how do you do certain shit to hide shit? And like, no, I mostly like to ask because then you give me the most complicated, ridiculous, like, New Yorker cartoon of a device. And I'm like, I am more likely to fuck that up than anyone else is likely to compromise that system. Yeah. I lock my that system. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:49:25 I locked my shit down. Yeah, but Kevin makes it sound so simple. Bro, it's easy. You just open it up, point it at your eye, it scans your iris twice, but I mean, it's not that bad. Hurts a little bit. And then you just put it down on your finger.

Starting point is 00:49:40 That'll be blood, but it's okay, because it knows. Hold it to your nipple, it squeezes the time. It knows. It knows it slightly, but it gets the, because it knows. Hold it to your nipple, it squeezes the tie. It knows. It knows it slightly. It leaves the nipple, but it gets the DNA. And it knows who you are, and you're almost in. Now, go into the garage.

Starting point is 00:49:54 Remember that thing I sent you? Open it up. It's like, fucking Kevin just responds to the goddamn email. The thing about Kevin also you have to realize is like, he will give you a 10 out of 10 conviction recommendation and then you'll take that recommendation and two months later you'll be like, so how's it going with X? And he'll be like, oh that shit was terrible.

Starting point is 00:50:12 No, I totally stopped doing that. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, what? Don't bring a best in my whole life into that. He'll be like, bro, stop what you're doing. What do you mean it's compromised? Stop what you're doing. Download this weird app.

Starting point is 00:50:23 It's going to be the fucking future. Listen, I'm playing be the fucking future. Listen, I'm playing, I dabble. Hey, I'm trying to get you on this message app that you set me up on. He was like, what are you talking about? No, fuck that shit. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:50:33 I'm just texting via my car. It's like, what? Yeah. I wish I could hit those high notes. I know, I get it. That's like, submarine Harry Christmas grids. I'm a singer at my heart.

Starting point is 00:50:44 That's amazing. By the way, well, whatever, I can't talk about it. All right. So, you guys will see it at the summer. We gotta keep going on with this show. Timmy! Wait, wait, no, before we say goodbye to Tim. Before we say goodbye to Tim.

Starting point is 00:50:57 I don't wanna say goodbye to Tim. No, don't say goodbye to Tim either. Jesus fucking Christ. I know. I bought some commercial airtime here. I need to talk. Oh, we gotta, yeah. Oh my God! Tim, some commercial air time. I did oh we got it. Yeah. Oh my god We got a very important thing that Tim is going to announce tonight for all of you yeah

Starting point is 00:51:16 This is some shit two years in the making two years in the making yeah We should have fucking talked about this an hour and a half ago I didn't know that was gonna happen! I mean, yeah, come on. If I drink, Kevin drinks. Go, go, go, go. Give Kevin, come on. My girls are watching. One quarter of it. My girls are watching! Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you.

Starting point is 00:51:55 Fucking great to see you guys. Wait, where the fuck is yours? Where's Saga? Saga! Alright, put it back, let's see. Put it back. To Zelda and Zelda, let's see, put it back. Put it back. Woo! Okay. To Zelda, help us with water. Hey, hey, hey! I'm done with mine.

Starting point is 00:52:10 So, check that then, bitch. Whoa! No, no, no! You saw that! That wasn't that much! No, we saw that! That wasn't that much! No, no, no!

Starting point is 00:52:18 Just drink it. No, we saw that. We saw that. All right. My liver is better. My liver is better. We won't slow mo that shit on the video. Awesome, thank you.

Starting point is 00:52:27 Don't give me, here we go. Perfect, all right. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Wasn't that- I poured most of that in the shit. All right, all right. Oh my God, my wife is up there getting like, oh, I guess I'm gonna be growing up tonight.

Starting point is 00:52:38 I did not expect what we said, sock to sock. I won't say it again. Don't say it again! We're not even kidding. No, no, no, it was only two, it no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, what should I do? My God, I don't know what I want to be when I grow up. And those who have been paying attention, podcast games getting a little crowded. Yeah, I mean, I'm not doing it.

Starting point is 00:53:14 No plans to stop, but it's a little saturated. And I would like to think about new things while they're still new in my mind. And some of you might remember that I did a podcast about two years ago, a bit more than two years ago, with someone named Alon Lee. And Alon Lee, I'll explain who that is in a second, but I'll say first that I had been feeling a general malaise

Starting point is 00:53:41 related to these devices. And I love them. They create miracles. That's a big one for someone that doesn't want a big one. It's an iPad in my pocket. Which is why I always lose it in my house because I put it in the bathroom or somewhere else.

Starting point is 00:53:55 I'm like, where's my phone? But the point is, we have miracles available to us in our pockets, but we also have a drug dealer who is knocking on your door 24 seven. And we've talked about us in our pockets, but we also have a drug dealer who is knocking on your door 24 7 and We've talked about the in real life We've talked about the reconnecting and one of the ways that I found that when I was younger was Dungeons and Dragons, I played D&D as a kid I was a gray elf if anybody anybody's wondering. And that was, yeah, chaotic good.

Starting point is 00:54:27 If you care about such things. And I've always wanted, you don't care, you don't care, it's fine. You're kind of chaotic good actually yourself. We looked at him. So the point is, so Ilan Li is the co-founder of a company called Exploding Kittens. Maybe you guys are familiar with Exploding Kittens. You guys know Exploding Kittens?

Starting point is 00:54:50 So, Exploding Kittens is one of the largest ever successes on Kickstarter, turned into an amazing gaming company. I interviewed him two years ago, have always wanted to create a game, also because I think we need tools and options available for connecting in real life, right? Reinvigorating the party. I can't promise the fucking to Saga's point, but you never know. I mean, some may need to reintegrate the fucking.

Starting point is 00:55:15 And so the upshot of that is, after two years of being involved in every possible phase of everything, from concept to playtesting, mechanics, everything in between You guys are all gonna get a copy of this That was a security guard he has a bald head we're gonna give him a copy Yes, as you leave all of you can get a copy. That was a security guard. He has a bald head. We're going to give him a copy. Yes, so as you leave, all of you can get a copy of this game.

Starting point is 00:55:47 It is not available for another three to four weeks. And it's called Coyote. It's on a $200 a copy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you can find the instructions at ExplodingKens.com slash Coyote. They put it up very quickly last minute. So there's still a couple of glitches and misspellings, but this has been in the works for two years,

Starting point is 00:56:07 and it's going to be available. Check this out. It is complete coincidence. I did not know this. So March 23rd, it's going to be available, starting then, in a few thousand Walmart stores. And so it's an exclusive to Walmart. I got to learn about big box retail in a major way, which is mind-blowing.

Starting point is 00:56:29 And then in July, it's gonna be Target and Amazon and everywhere, including international. Rocking hell. And this has been the labor of love for the last two years. Let me ask you a question, a couple things real quick. You know, congrats, Tim, by the way. You're like, that's awesome. And by the way, it's okay if you a question, a couple things. Real quick, congrats Tim, by the way.

Starting point is 00:56:45 That's awesome. And by the way, it's okay if you're like, what? No, no, no. Like that lady at the Asle's Chap store, which wasn't the Asle's Chap store, is like, huh? That's kind of the point. That's kind of the point. That's gonna be the end. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:56:58 The thing I'm curious about is like, one, it's amazing that you've done this. But two, would you, with proper security around you, sign a few copies on the way out? Oh God. That's gonna be, it's a special moment. It's a new launch. I will try to sign some copies. As you might imagine, this could be a logistics

Starting point is 00:57:18 fucking nightmare, so like, bear with me as an introvert. I will try my best. So I'll see what your master ceremonies can provide. You brought 900 copies tonight. I brought about 900 copies. Oh, and here's the thing, guys. So I mentioned presents, right? So the gift is the first present.

Starting point is 00:57:35 The second present, which you guys don't know about... More tequila. Oh, stop! No, no, no. No, no, no, stop! Oh! ...is I actually, actually... I bought as a backup, I didn't, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Plenty of those at your house laying around. No, I don't have like backup underwear. It's not like it's not my best look.

Starting point is 00:58:08 I'm going to be honest. I don't know what's happening right now, but that's OK. But all right. Second. Yeah, Coyote, Coyote. And there are reasons for that. There are a lot of Easter eggs in this game. So there's going to be a lot coming from this. But the second gift

Starting point is 00:58:26 is If you play the game, please play the fucking game because it is fun and it's going it is I've actually might make you smarter That's all separate conversation. Oh, and if you don't let that smarter and if you Capture your gameplay play the game take some, post it on social to like tag me and Exploding Kittens, we will choose five people in the next like month or two.

Starting point is 00:58:52 Let's just say a month. All right, so a month, the sooner the better. Actually, fuck a month, that's too long. Next week, all right, so the next seven days. So it's only you guys. And you guys are getting it first, so only you guys. And we are gonna choose five people. Exploding Kids is gonna choose five people. We are gonna fly you to Hollywood to a mansion for a top secret party.

Starting point is 00:59:12 Whoa! For an unforgettable evening. Trust me, you wanna be there. Wait, do we get to be there? Why the fuck did you invite us? Who? Like, literally this is the first time I've heard of my old friends. No offense. These are my new friends.

Starting point is 00:59:29 Oh! We live in Hollywood, Tim. You know what? Oh my god. We're gonna need some ballets. He's gonna leave and everybody's gonna go. What the fuck? We had more to say. Yeah, so, play the game, hashtag asslesschaps, put it on social,

Starting point is 00:59:51 and we'll choose five people, and it's gonna be an off-the-shelf. Do people know that we went pantsless in that episode? I don't think they actually noticed this. So Tim and I did a random show where we actually didn't wear any pants. I see some nodding. We didn't say a fucking thing.

Starting point is 01:00:07 There's a lot of dudes nodding. But you noticed. No, no, no. There are a lot of dudes. They're nodding. Yeah, yeah. Two separate things. That's right. That's all I have to say. There were like a few... It went from close-up to wide shot, and there was like one wide shot of us not wearing, and we had underwear on.

Starting point is 01:00:28 We had underwear on, yeah. We weren't doing like helicopters or anything. We weren't docking. And then it cut right back to close up. Yeah. And nobody fucking noticed. No, no, there was a couple of comments. Oh, there were a few, alright.

Starting point is 01:00:39 Yeah, yeah. They were like, uh, do you guys have pants on? Yeah, exactly. They were like, thanks for watching. Yeah. Coyote's coming out soon. All right. Tim Farris. Wait, hold on.

Starting point is 01:00:48 Hold on, hold on, hold on. No, no, no. I was going to say, Tim, we're so proud of you, man. Congrats on the launch. Thank you. Oh, my god. Thank you. If people want to tell, like, go get this that aren't here,

Starting point is 01:00:59 that get this shit, where can they go to find out more? Well, they should go to just go to ExplodingKittens.com slash Coyote, C-O-Y-O-T-E. And there's gonna be a lot coming with this that I can't talk about yet, but I would say get good at it now. That'll be the teaser. And I will say that...

Starting point is 01:01:15 Get good at it now. And there's a lot coming. You spent a lot of money on the production of these things. I've seen the pack. They're, like, insanely high quality. Yep. Thank you for gifting everyone tonight. Yeah, absolutely.

Starting point is 01:01:27 So everybody get on the way out. Thank you guys. Congratulations. Goodnight everybody. Be safe. Have fun. Assless chaps. Assless chaps. Assless chaps. Assless chaps. Assless chaps. They just want one... Guys, we... They just want one cheat, Tim.

Starting point is 01:01:51 They want one cheat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Give the people what they want. By the way, if you... We're gonna give you secret cheat codes for later. All right, let's talk about DIWG.com. I mean, we could. We could.

Starting point is 01:02:05 We could. Look, I remember when we started, I guess not started, right? I mean, I remember when we started, because I don't have some sort of brain disorder. Although it could be. It could be. I don't know why I'm rambling. But I remember when we started. Probably because you have a brain disorder.

Starting point is 01:02:22 Yeah, it's a bug that's eating my brain. It's fine. I call him Bert. Anyway, I remember when we started doing the show again. Yes. At the end of every episode, we'd be drunk. Because... Yes.

Starting point is 01:02:37 We're older. We are older humans. I don't know what we would call that. And we would literally end the show and he'd just be like, ah, this is gonna be great. And I was like, I should go. I'll get my Uber.

Starting point is 01:02:52 You were like that too. Of course, of course. You were the sober one being like, I should go, I should get my Uber. You were like, I didn't go. You were like, get out of my way. Yeah, exactly. But every time Kevin would have this glint in his eye and he'd be like

Starting point is 01:03:06 maybe I could buy Dig Back and I'd be like okay yeah whatever I'm going back home so good luck you know what it was okay let's have some real talk let's have some real talk yeah real talk real talk what it was is that what what thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you I do that thank you Jesus stop fucking doing it I'm doing it I'm doing it I'm touching the air for success you're burning calories baby I gotta go to bed I gotta go to bed I gotta go to bed I am an old person who is drunk and I need to go to bed. Okay.

Starting point is 01:03:48 Heaven. Okay. So listen. That's how it works now. Here's the deal. Here's the deal. Um, I will say that one of the things that was really tough at the last couple years of DIG is that our investors were like, hey, less weird shit, more mainstream stuff.

Starting point is 01:04:06 Oh, I get that. I can't blame it all on them. Listen, I was young, I was learning a lot of shit. It was all on me. But Alexis was smart because they rebooted and they started super nimble. Wait, so this was the Reddit guy? You know Alexis. I know, I'm just saying. He was the Reddit guy? You know Alexis. I know, I'm just saying. He was the Reddit guy. You were the dig guy.

Starting point is 01:04:30 Alexis was the innovator of Reddit. Like he had co-founders, but he was the brains behind Reddit. Yeah, but I'm just saying, there's reasons why there are like fighting posters around this show. No, but like there's fighting posters around this show. Yeah, because we are back, and it is time for a fight. It is Fucking hell, I mean I'm just saying there is us and there is them I Appreciate that thank you. I Think that they have faith in the Kevin though the the one thing I will say is that?

Starting point is 01:05:12 when Alexis and I did a podcast together, yeah, and I Was like oh wait. We aren't enemies. This dude's actually pretty fucking cool. I mean I respected Reddit fucked him over. Oh. In a kinda bad way. And, but you know, I always thought, like it was funny back in the day, I was like, we're gonna be able to kick these guys' ass,

Starting point is 01:05:36 blah blah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like, he's like, well, like honestly, I was like, we should do a celebrity like death match, fucking like fight thing, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like Alexis versus Alex death match fucking like fight thing, you know, yeah, like like Alexis versus Alex And let them fight it out, you know By the way, he's like super small and I'm big I am a big man I think he's like I think he's like five seven or something. Yeah five seven

Starting point is 01:06:01 So, uh, you know, it was one of those things where there was a kind of this fight is By the ones that fight Alexis doesn't want any of this motherfucker Holy shit Oh, shit. Holy shit, holy shit. Oh, fuck. I'm a little smaller. Oh, fuck yeah. This guy right here, Kevin fucking Rose. Alexis Ohanian, everybody.

Starting point is 01:06:43 The creative mind, the innovator behind all of Reddit. That's too kind. I'll take it. But you know what? You know what? I'm really happy. Take a shot. Oh, they want shots. Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, Saka, S Don't say it! Don't say it! Oh no, he's coming! He's coming!

Starting point is 01:07:06 I know, he's coming! Alright! Thank you, Chris! Alright! Thank you, that's good! I love you! He mentioned this is the only 100 point tequila in history. Como tequila!

Starting point is 01:07:22 He totally owns this company! He fucking totally owns this company! Gracias! in history Oh, bug off. Love you, buddy. If we weren't enemies for fucking 15 years, what the fuck? So, by the way, does it feel like you're on, like, hallowed ground? No, this was the thing I was so jealous of, right? This was the kind of love and the stuff that we just didn't understand.

Starting point is 01:08:00 We didn't have. You guys! That's true. You guys. And... You gotta tell the story about how you, when you wanted to start a podcast. You gotta, you gotta tell the story. I mean, look, look, I, I will say this though, I'm really happy.

Starting point is 01:08:13 When Dig first shuttered, I was debating, I told you this, I was gonna buy the domain name. Oh my god. And have it redirected to Reddit. Oh my god. And I'm so happy I didn't. Right? That was in a timeline.

Starting point is 01:08:24 When you sold the condom and asked, I was like, we should buy Reddit and fucking redet that shit in the dig. Oh, my God. Now, I have had... I just have the utmost respect, and it's so dope to be able to be here now rebuilding Dig alongside you guys.

Starting point is 01:08:37 And I'm so, so grateful. Oh, my God. So fired up. This is the OGs. All right, y'all were doing this content, this storytelling, this podcasting, all this stuff long before everybody else. And at the time I was just jealous. I'm still a little jealous.

Starting point is 01:08:54 Not gonna lie, this is dope. And it's just awesome to be on the same team, man. Yeah, 100%. Very awesome. I mean, it's, I've had, the one thing I told you in person and I'll say it here is like, I didn't know Lex as well because we were like enemies for a long time. We never talked. And we never really talked.

Starting point is 01:09:14 And then we did this podcast and I realized he was such a good, passionate girl dad. And like, I really, no, but I really respected the way that you showed up. And you were like, I'm building a legacy for my kids to look up to. And I was like, damn, that's the human I wanna be as well. And I was like, that could be a homie. And then we started chatting and I was like, well, fuck. And you were like, we should invest in some companies

Starting point is 01:09:41 together and we started doing some crazy shit. And then, yeah, I mean, the rest is history. But like, thank you for being an inspiration to all of us. Thank you. Means a lot. And like I said, I could not be more fired up about this. Do you mind walking us through what happened around the kind of, can we do this around the Exodus of Reddit?

Starting point is 01:10:06 What happened? When I left? Well, just around the stuff you wanted to see gone. Yeah, we can talk. Let's get it spicy. Oh, yeah! That's what's killing. Also, my dad and step-mama are here. I can't see y'all, but you there?

Starting point is 01:10:17 Oh, my God. I love it. Yeah, let's get them a beer. What? Someone check them. Someone toss them a beer. I love that you brought your dad here. I love that you brought your dad and step out. This is fucking great. Because, because we could never fill anything like this.

Starting point is 01:10:32 He never got to see me doing anything close to this in all those years at Reddit. Which is so crazy because like the stuff that we thought we were doing, we were like, we're just fucking, we're scrappy, we're doing whatever. And there was like this like thing chasing us. It was like a puma that was chasing us. And then to think that like this is what was the thing that was missing for you. You know what I mean? Yes.

Starting point is 01:10:54 Like this being missing for you was the thing that we thought we were like, this was just us, our boys and girls. You wanted to make a podcast though, right? Oh, I desperately, I mean, I wanted, and it's funny, like, you though, right? Oh, I desperately. I mean, I wanted... And it's funny, like, you know, I left pretty infamously, let's say, from Reddit five years ago, and I resigned in protest because at the end of the day, you know, I had a different viewpoint.

Starting point is 01:11:18 This is all public now, but a different viewpoint for the other members of the board on where I drew my line in terms of communities that we wanted to promote and for me, communities that promoted violence and gore and extreme racism was a line too far. There are other places to find on the internet but I didn't want it to be on Reddit. I think that's well said though because there is so many places on the internet those people can go. The World Wide Web. You told me there was a Snuff Films subreddit. Yeah, watch people die was literally what it was called. And you know to see millions of people on there watching these videos. It wasn't good for society.

Starting point is 01:11:52 It wasn't good for business. It wasn't good for the community and I love the fact that you know in those five years since I made a conscious decision and ever let myself be in another room where if I was going to spend that much time, that was energy that I didn't have a vote or a voice. And I'll tell you the professional tailwinds that I've had in the last five years have been tremendous. And a part of me does wish I had made those decisions and had that conviction earlier

Starting point is 01:12:19 in my career. But look, I'm 41 almost 42 now I got God willing a few decades left. Baby, baby. And I get a a few decades left. Fucking baby. I love you, baby. And I get a chance to be a part of building. He's got some reddish greys, though. Oh, I got way more greys. These are really good for the reddish greys.

Starting point is 01:12:32 By the way, I totally was like, he's my age. No, I don't know. It's just like... No, I just look at him. I just look at him. And the reality is, this is a chance to take all those hard lessons and build anew with modern technology.

Starting point is 01:12:48 Even the breakthroughs we've had in AI just the last couple of years could help us reimagine the way a moderator does her job. It can help reimagine how people experience and consume content. And I hope bring back some of the good vibes of the internet that we grew up with, but still let people express themselves

Starting point is 01:13:05 and get the best out of all things. And I'm just excited to be building again, man. And now I get to be on the Dignation Podcast, finally. Finally. It's amazing. The thing that's crazy is like, for me, when we started this podcast, it was always sort of like,

Starting point is 01:13:22 Kevin was building this community, which I was part of and loved, Kevin was building this community, which I was part of and loved, and we did this podcast, and it became this physical community. And the really funny thing is I never was, I mean, I saw Reddit going and all this stuff, but I was always like, that's just a product. It didn't exist in this world that we existed in,

Starting point is 01:13:47 which was like this community that could be in the physical space and like when we would do live shows, I was like, these are the fucking people that I want to be with in my life. You know what I mean? And so, and I never knew that you knew what we were doing. Oh, dude, how could I not? Y'all, the magazine covers. Sorry, I had to.

Starting point is 01:14:07 Hey, oh, I gotta tell the story. So Alexis and I were at this New York Times photo shoot a few days ago. Oh, boy. And Alexis goes like this and does the thumbs up. And I'm like, please, God, put that in the New York Times where Alexis is like this, because that was my fucking horrible cover

Starting point is 01:14:28 that I did for business. Wait. I actually bought, so I had that cover in the office as a reminder to myself. Oh my God, this is so great. To never pose like that. So would it be such horrible justice if I had gotten caught doing it?

Starting point is 01:14:42 Mocking, I deserve that. But I also, I need to get my lick back. This is as good a place as any to share it. Oh, bring it on. To give you some perspective, I truly felt like such an outsider. You guys were, you had your dig army, you had the dig nation.

Starting point is 01:14:57 You had the bottom here. You had Silicon Valley. You had all this stuff going for you. And then what really topped it off was, this was a few years and this was the peak of Dig vs. Reddit, probably in the mid to late aughts. And I was a big Nine Inch Nails fan, still am. And I was courting a young lady

Starting point is 01:15:17 and I paid a little extra money to get the backstage thing where you get to meet Trent Reznor, the lead singer, the guy behind Nine Inch Nails. And it was this amazing moment, I was flexing on her a little bit because you get your meet Trent Reznor, the lead singer, the guy behind Nine Inch Nails. And it was this amazing moment. I was flexing on her a little bit, because you get your 30 seconds with a celebrity, and I was like, hey, Trent, I know you're, you know, on the internet a lot, and you're, you know,

Starting point is 01:15:33 I just got to know, dig or Reddit. Yeah, he's a tech guy. So I was like, what do you prefer, dig or Reddit? And he looks at me and he says, oh, dig. Yes! No, it gets worse. Because remember, the young lady I'm talking to, right? And I really, I naively thought he was gonna say Reddit. Or at least, like, I don't know either one.

Starting point is 01:15:49 He not only said that, he then goes deeper. He says, I'm actually really good friends with Kevin. Taggers. And then, and here's my ass paying money just to, like, get embarrassed in front of this girl. He then looks at my face, he can see the reaction and I'm like, oh well I'm like one of the Reddit founders and he had no idea and he looks at me and he's just like, oh that's cool, that's cool too, man. And again, he sees my shattered, like,

Starting point is 01:16:28 my soul has left my body at this point. And he's very sweet. He's very apologetic. He's just like, I'm sorry, man. I'm really sorry. I'm sorry, man. I didn't mean to do that. He pats me on the shoulder. One of those good luck bros. And then moves along to the next spectator. I still have nothing but love for Trent Reznor,

Starting point is 01:16:45 but that was probably the moment when I had never, I've never felt more defeated in that rivalry than that. Uh, but it's like, it's a testament, it's a test into what you built. I gotta say, the moment I felt like where I was really pissed was when April Fools came along and fucking Reddit skinned themselves to look like Dig. What the fuck was CSS? Did you fucking do that?

Starting point is 01:17:12 I did draw Snoo as the Dig logo guy. Fucking hell. It was probably Chris on the Eng team. I actually did the CSS work for the rest of the team. Yeah. Yeah, we love that. But I was like, those motherfuckers, because everybody went over from dig to look at Reddit skin as dig.

Starting point is 01:17:31 Let me tell you though, so for the first two years of Reddit, I would update the logo almost every day, and I'd have Snoo doing different stuff, and it was this multiple-day storyboard, and it was early on that I realized that was a reason for people to come, just because they wanted to see what SNU was doing, almost like a cartoon in the newspapers.

Starting point is 01:17:47 Like, there was a there there. And now I'm thinking, God, I wonder what we could get going here with some of the storytelling. Oh, let's go! It's funny, though. It's so much the intention goes such a long way. And I think you guys did it so fucking well when it came to the community building

Starting point is 01:18:09 that you were doing with the content. And so look, there were a couple things we did right, but like I said, I couldn't be more hyped for this. And one day I hope to meet Trent Reznor again. And when I do, you know how I'm introducing myself? I can make that happen. Hey Trent, I'm the co-founder of Dig 2.0. He lives in Santa Monica now, we can make that happen. Hey Trent, I'm the co-founder of Dig 2.0. Can we be friends now?

Starting point is 01:18:32 By the way, I would love that Trent Reznor is like, I've never met you. And you're like, no, no, no, I founded Dig 2.0. And you'd be like, oh, my God. Alexis? This is amazing. The dig guy. I'm the dig guy now, yes.

Starting point is 01:18:51 I think two things need to happen. One, you need to do more podcasts with us. That would be fun. If the people want it, I'll do whatever you want. It's open. But the second thing is, like, one of the things that we started jamming about what this could become, the analogy that we use internally is like,

Starting point is 01:19:11 okay, if, I mean, no, it's not winner take all. No, right, come on. This is not about, like, we wanna kill Reddit. It's... I mean... You said that, not me. I mean, the audience is saying, like, well, but could we?

Starting point is 01:19:29 Because of her? Could we? But... I'm agnostic. But... No, but, no. Take no present. No, no, no, but...

Starting point is 01:19:39 I'm gonna just put a little knife in my thing. What we've learned from social is that it can be fragmented. Oh, yeah. But the one thing that I'm excited about is that when we got together, you had a lot of ideas that I was just like, hot damn, those have never seen the light of day. Let them cook. Let them cook. Let them cook.

Starting point is 01:19:59 Let them cook. I got a couple ideas. And then when you and I got together and we were like, oh shit, oh shit, oh shit, oh shit, there's going to be some good shit coming. Just get ready. Just get ready. Because it's not about old form software shit. Like, I think of, in all due respect for a $30 billion

Starting point is 01:20:19 company, that's Photoshop. We're making Figma. We're going to the next level of what's possible in this domain, so we're excited. So, dude, I am beyond honored to have you here, and I have nothing but respect, because there's something to be said from the bottom of my heart, truly,

Starting point is 01:20:44 which is what you did was you kind of picked away and you figured out our vulnerabilities and you won. But that's okay because what we did is we proved to the world that voting and saying and having a voice, what's important important is an important thing to do. Absolutely. And people take it for granted now. I mean for most of the odds I know I and we all were trying to convince people that they would consume what was new news whatever you want to call it from strangers on the internet. That was a heretical idea for years. And now we take it for granted. And so I'm ready.

Starting point is 01:21:26 This new, you know, what AI unlocks just for making quality of life better for everyone from mods to users, everybody, that alone is gonna be such a step function improvement. I can't wait, right? It should be a joyful activity to be a community manager. You shouldn't spend your time doing janitorial work. You should spend it doing community building.

Starting point is 01:21:47 Turns out AI can do that janitorial work way better than you. And on the flip side as a consumer, find the experience you want for you. Let software curate that. And we've, I mean, the stuff we've talked about, it's gonna be fun. Yeah, by the way, by the way.

Starting point is 01:22:00 Justin's doing a hell of a job. Look at that sign. Look at those people. You're part of this. Oh, yes. You have become. I'm feeling the love. Yeah, you've become a part of this.

Starting point is 01:22:11 Like, we are gonna fucking do it. This is gonna be so great, dude. Thank you for being on this journey with us, dude. Oh my gosh. It means the world. Because I know that what you bring to the table is so much more than just Like obviously the investment front but it is your product mind because you were one of the innovators that Honestly when I was stuck in this world of this like kind of fixed taxonomy you said hey

Starting point is 01:22:38 Let's open it up to all the micro communities and that was a fucking huge unlock I was waiting for you guys to launch that. I was waiting. I was like, we're so fucked. If Dig launches, create your own Dig or some version of that. And thank God you didn't. By the way, that one thing probably would have ended us. Just plumbing in your private jet sometime and we'll call it even. And then, anytime.

Starting point is 01:23:02 We're just here for fucking fun. Oh my God, Alexis. Thanks y'all. Oh my God, this is so great. Oh my God, we're so lucky. Thank you for being here. Thank you for being here, brother. Thank you.

Starting point is 01:23:16 It's gonna be fun, man. Alexis, everybody, come on. Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! I love you guys.

Starting point is 01:23:24 Oh my God. This is gonna be so much fun. We are not done. We are not done. Mixed Master Mike. I think we're done. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kevin, that's for you. Mixed Master Mike is gonna be up soon. Oh my god, this is gonna be so fun. Oh my god, yes. Shot, shot, shot, shot, shot, shot. Oh my god. By the way, we will be, Kevin and I will be out to say hi to everybody. No we won't. Yes we will. Fuck this guy. No, no, no, no, no. Fuck this guy.

Starting point is 01:24:06 All right. That is it for this episode of The Ingotian. I'm Alex Albrecht. And I'm Kevin Rose. Thank you for fucking coming, you son of a bitch. We will see you again. Seriously. Love you all!

Starting point is 01:24:26 If we don't stop, wait, before we go off, Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait Honestly though, it means the world to us that you would all show up here again after all these years. I love you guys. Screen savers! Oh he's gonna... No, no, no. He's emotional. Screen savers! There's um...

Starting point is 01:25:02 The last few months of my life have been nuts with the loss of the house and all that shit, and I-I gotta say that, like, I... It is-it is fantastic to know that we can go and build something great together. Yeah. And it's not about Alexis or me or Alex. It's about us figuring out something that is more productive than what we have today,

Starting point is 01:25:24 better than what we have today, better than what we have today. And we're gonna work on it, we're gonna make some mistakes, but we're gonna fucking try hard. And we're... And we'll always have your best interests in mind. And I wanna say thank you for showing up tonight. Hope to see you in a few minutes and thank you. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:25:42 Yeah. We love you you. Yeah. We love you all!

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