Diggnation (rebooted) - Is College Still Worth It When Entry-Level Jobs Are Disappearing?

Episode Date: August 13, 2026

Sign up for the Digg newsletter on the front page:https://digg.comKevin Rose and Alex Albrecht reunite to ask what deserves our time in an AI-saturated world, from online degrees and disappearing junior jobs to handmade watches, rogue agents, and social media limits. They also unpack Kevin's open-source Reflection Engine and the OpenAI and Hugging Face breach, then share practical ways their families are taking back their attention.EPISODE NOTESEducation and workAI-assisted cheating is forcing colleges to rethink online degrees. Kevin and Alex consider live, AI-assisted oral exams and what happens to the career ladder when entry-level work disappears.https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/10/us/ai-cheating-online-degrees.html?unlocked_article_code=1.4VA.HRYd.ZobdZ73IWxnTWatches with a storyAlex shares the watch he assembled by hand before the conversation turns to watchmakers signing their work, vintage restorations, and creating heirlooms that matter more than status.https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/06/fashion/artisans-signing-watches-jaeger-lecoultre.html?eafs_enabled=falseThe Reflection EngineKevin explains how a language model can learn your goals, values, and recurring patterns while raising real privacy questions.https://github.com/kropdx/reflection-engineAgents in the real worldA gym-booking agent gets its user the perfect reservation by making the system worse for everyone else. It is a neat example of how an agent can fulfill its instructions while missing their spirit.https://digg.com/tech/l3c70y6wAI securityKevin recommends the Black Hat presentation "The 'Breaking' News: The OpenAI and Hugging Face Incident." The pair discuss agents escaping a sandbox, compromising shared infrastructure, and defensive AI patching vulnerabilities at machine speed.Presentation:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87DyyMV0kCYTaking back attentionKevin previews an experimental microblogging idea called "Sunday," while both hosts compare family screen rules, device-free socializing, app timers, and other ways to make technology ask less of us.CHAPTERS00:00 Cold Open00:39 Diggnation Returns01:35 Alex Turns 5006:09 A New Show Format07:03 AI and Online Degrees09:34 The Entry-Level Problem11:09 Reinventing the Final Exam14:39 The AI Marketing Job17:24 Alex Builds a Watch23:31 Watchmakers Sign Their Work27:05 Craft, Status, and Stories32:01 The Reflection Engine37:10 AI in Everyday Life40:48 The Rogue Gym Agent44:00 OpenAI and Hugging Face Breach49:37 AI Whiplash51:23 Technology That Asks Less56:25 What Comes Next

I can't believe I'm admitting this, but I stabbed him just below the lower rib. Oh, thank God. So I took your day trading app, $50,000 in two minutes. You lost it? Lost. It's about time. That is apparently what the episode's about. We need to hook you in the first five seconds of this video.

Shit, we should have said that five seconds ago. I first thought I got to call the police. But then I decided maybe I should harden this for evil. Pizza on a bagel makes no sense. The little thing that hangs under the turkey, you could chop it off, but don't discard it. Half of what we're saying is actually in the episode. Just half. All right, well, let's get into the show.

And also, we cut the intro to make it shorter. Hello everybody, and welcome to a very special episode. Very special episode of Dignation. New studio. New studio? new setup, new structure. It's not even our studio. It's a rented studio.

It's a rented studio. It looks quite nice. It's very nice. I like it's a studio. Backdrop. The backdrop. It's been a while. It has been.

It has been a while. I missed you. I missed it too. Oh my God. Are you kidding me? It's been so like, I know. It's been like three months.

I know. Which is crazy. We took a little break. I know. And I'm about to leave because I'm going to be 50. Which is crazy. Which is fucked up. You're leaving the world.

I'm leaving the world this young. Oh, I'm going to Mars. You heard it here first. First person on Mars. Yeah. No, I know, dude. It's like. So we got some catching up to do.

Yeah, so 50's the big one. Let's talk about that first. It's the big one. I mean, I remember 40 being the big one. Yeah. And then 30 was also pretty big. And 30 was like, whatever. I know.

I've been, I'd say that everything's been getting better. Fun? More fun? Really? I think. Yeah. I think so because you kind of relax a little bit. Yeah.

Yeah. Everything's not as like, I feel like in your 20s. you're like, the world is my oyster. It's going to mean, and then by the 30s, you're like, well, none of that shit happens. Yeah. But look at all this cool shit that's happening. This isn't what I was thinking life was going to be. And then when you hit your 40s, you're like, oh, man, life, man.

Like, I'm still young. Fuck yeah. I still got it in here. And then 50 is also. I haven't been there yet. Well, hold on. I got a couple days. Well, no.

Let me ask you a question because I'm also marching towards 50. You were older than I am, which is fine. Yes, slightly. Quite a bit. And the thing that I've thought about at 50 is just. nothing but health. Like really truly... Nothing but health.

Well, I mean, just like really take... Well, two things. Health taking it very seriously. Finally. Like, finally. Like, finally. You know what? It's a little bit bouncing.

Finally. But, you know, we've talked about six-pack abs in the past. I don't need those. I've never mentioned six-pack. Well, we've definitely talked about them. I mean, I might have mentioned it. I don't need a six-pack anymore. Yeah.

I'm done with those days. Yeah, yeah. I still would like A-pack. A pack? A pack. Just a single solitary pack. One little ab that's just like, hello. That means you're in good shape if you had one little pika pack.

A pika pack? What do I, how do I tell if it's there? You'll know if it's there. I think I have one. No, pull up your shirt and if there's flab, you don't have. Okay. I'm working on it. I'm working on it.

One little guy. But yes, I mean, health, longevity, you know, taking that seriously. And then also doing all the shit that has been, for me, it's my Instagram bookmarks, like, oh, Japanese will work working looks cool. Somebody out get into that. Bro. Like those 10 things. Watchmaking.

Watchmaking for you. Yes, for sure. So, like, that's for me, Marching towards 50. What's for you, marching towards 50? I think for me, it's not wasting my days. How are you wasting? Oh, you got that sauce. You like that drinks.

No, no, no. That's not wasting your days. That's enjoying your days. Totally. You're not giving that on. Drinking is part of enjoying days. Costco's like, welcome back. Like there are times when like I'll, I'll end Costco.

They know. They know your orders of your Jim Bean. Not Jim Bean. Sorry, I didn't mean anything. Jesus. Get out of it. Johnny Walker. No, no, John Rock.

Jeez. Heaven. Sorry, so you're lower down on that. What is it? It's not even that low. Some makers. No. It's a, oh, it's the only one left.

Jack Daniels. Thank you. Yes, I know. Thank you. Gentleman, Jack. I got you a nice bottle of that. That's true. Did you like it?

I did. Actually, I drank. Well, whatever. Yeah. I mean, yeah. No. So I tend to, when I don't have a thing to do, it's very easy for me to just like watch TV all day. Oh, I see.

Or play video games all day. Like at your house during the day. Yeah. When I don't, and that's a lot of the days. And it's fun, but it feels like I could do something better with those days. Yes. You know what I mean? Yeah.

So that I think for me is what the 50 is. And also health and all that shit. You know what I mean? Yeah. Are you going to seriously take, like, drink less? Yes. But also for us, it's more the food. Because, like, Heather and I are both.

I love cooking, but Heather and I are pretty, like, oh, fuck, right, it's lunch. We'll just order some sandwiches or something. Like, yeah. But it's like, I do like cooking, and I do like the concept of, like, not quite meal prepping because that seems like. Macros and blah. It's also kind of boring. It's boring. Yeah.

But, like, having food in. in the house that is like ready to be cooked. Right. You know what I mean? And like just being able to throw stuff together because I really do like that. But you have to focus on it, right? You have to take the time to be like, what are we gonna, you know, what should we go to the market

and get and what should we do? And we just don't, we're just not, we're bad at that. So that's sort of the goal after coming back because we're going to Italy for my 50th. Yes, that's awesome. Which we're leaving like in three days or two days. Fuck, I'm pumped. And then are you doing a party back in LA like post or?

We might do like a cocktail thing, but then it's like, I know, but then it's just like, it's just a lot of moving parts, Kevin. Yeah. Once you get back, you'll get settled. Once we get settled. Well, I want to take you up for your birthday regardless. Yeah. Let's do that.

Hit me up and we will partay, as it were. Let's get into some stories. You guys will all see that the format is semi slightly different. Yes. Because we figured it's been a while. It's been some time. We're trying this kind of like across from each other thing. It's interesting because I feel like I'm constantly craning my neck on the couch.

Yes. And the couch when we were kids made sense. Well, also, I look back at some of these episodes and like we're on a couch and I'm like, it reminds me like Ron Burgundy where they're like, we've been coming to the same party for the last 20 years. And it's like two dudes that like on like a couch like we're like college students. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I know. And like somehow you have to make it look like a cheaper couch than it is.

You're like, this is not a couch that you just pound Chardonnay on. Yeah, we'll figure out the right setup. But this is kind of fun. Yeah, super fun. So what is our first topic? Okay. First topic of the day is going to be this story that I found, which is it's been a question that I've gotten a lot lately being in the world of AI and working in AI, which is there's

a question of should I send my kids to college or should I consider even college being a thing? And then there was because of AI, just, you know, what do I do? So that's one question. Yep, yep, yep. Then the New York Times came out with this article and it was essentially asking, you know, can we trust online degrees in the age of AI? Because now we have full computer use, you know, with AI, meaning you can go say, hey, take this test for me. And I first actually discovered this. We had, I had a colleague of mine that, you know that when you're.

at a company that make you take that like sexual harassment training or like all this stuff literally was like take my computer watch the videos answer the questions and get me through the sexual harassment training and it just did everything for it and it worked and it worked and so it's just there you can't trust anything anymore in terms of like did a human do this on a computer or not yeah and online online degrees is god that's so tough because because it's so the right move for specific people. Like you think about the people that like have that full-time job, have kids, don't have time to just go full-time to school,

or even part-time to school. When I was getting my computer information systems degree in college, most of my classes were at 6.30. And it was all, and I was like, why the hell are my classes at 6.30? And it was because it was for the people that worked during the day and wanted to get computer educated to be able to get a better job. And they had to come at night. And so it really sucks because there's a person on the planet,

lots of people on the planet, for which online college degrees is the only way for them to be able to forward themselves in the work world. But it also goes back to that thing that we've been talking about, but we've been talking about this since the MCSE or whatever it is, the Microsoft certified stuff, where it was like, just take the test. You don't need a degree.

You know what I mean? And that was 30 years ago. Right. But the idea now of like, do you even need to go to college is such a weird and like prescient question? Yeah. Well, I mean, I would argue that the thing that is hurting new college grads that is really difficult right now is if you think about hiring someone for a task, like some fresh out of college, super green. Yep. But you have the equivalent of that now.

Whatever that skill set is in AI form, that is for pennies on the dollar in terms of like that much cheaper to go do said task. Yeah. The entry task is a task that's the first to go away. So then how do you work your way up? You can't. Yeah. Because you can't even get work to start working your way up. Yeah.

Because that's when there's a lot. And then AI is going to outpace you. Right. It's going to work as we have faster. Oh, God. And so that's what's crazy. Now the other side of this is even in person. education and test taking. Like right now, I can buy a small-ass Bluetooth headset piece that goes

right in my right ear. And I could literally just be like, hey, what do I do this? And then you have your phone. You got whatever you want on the other side of that, Claw, Gemini, you name it, that's constantly listening. And it's just going to read the answer right back to you in your ear. And you can just write that in your test. Right. But then you also have the issue, which is the confidently incorrect is what I say is AI. Whenever I ask AI, a really specific, I mean, we did this on the show a while back where it was like, what's Kevin Rose's birthday? And it was like, it's this. And you're like, that's not even close. Yeah, but those days are fewer and fewer between. Yeah, that's all compressing.

Because like if you ask that question today, it would just nail it, right? So a model six months from now is going to be an order of magnitude better than the current model. So it just, it's, and then I sort of thinking, okay, well, if you're at, how do you test proficiency in something, right? I think one startup that could be really cool that doesn't exist today would be to create. You're already here first, guys. I mean, go make this. Not like your AI trading agent for the stocks, but. Not yet there.

I'm working on it. Fable 5, we're halfway there. But this could be a thing where I believe you're going to go into a booth. You know, obviously you'll be some sort of murder booth. You'll not be checked for your devices. You won't be wearing clothes. You have to walk into you. Go naked into a booth.

No, but the AI will quiz you and try and meet you where you're at. and poke and prod around the deficiencies in your domain knowledge in said topic area, and then give you a report back from that. So it'll be about more dynamic questions being asked you in real time, engaging your feedback and understanding in real time, and that will show that you've actually learned something versus the same test for everyone. Oh, I get it. So you're saying like the final exam for, you know, express calculus, I made that up,

multi-variable calculus, that's the one I had to take in college and I fucking hated, but that's all right. You would not just sit down and take a test. You would have a sort of conversation with a tester AI. I'm sure there would be visuals on the screen in front of you and all those things, right? So it would be very much a conversation. So instead, I mean, this is really interesting because then it's like, instead of it being a hard, because that's, so this was my biggest issue with education in general. I hate because I didn't I did not like it It still do not like it

You're very anti-education Very anti-education No I love education And like learning I would say Rather than education I love learning I hate memorization of facts And when I went to college

When we went to college Like when we went to high school Like it's the definition of learning Was do you know the date That that thing happened Right and to me I always went I don't care what the date Like I can

me just memorizing a date, how is that am I good at history? Right. Right. Like, so this actually for me would speak volumes to me, which is like, let me have a conversation about the topic and then be judged on a percentage of knowledge based on where I should be. Right. In this sort of course.

It's very different, right? Totally different. It's a difference between what dates did the Luddites exist? and then what was the, why were the Luddites killed and what impacted that have on society? And then you just like, you, you rant a bit about your understanding of the topic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then all of a sudden, you know, it's like, oh damn, you actually have an eight out of ten in terms of like your understanding of that particular area. Yeah.

It's obviously going to be more nuanced than that. But yeah. Right. Yeah. Like the fall of the Persian Empire. It's like, when did that happen? Okay. Like around here, but like I don't, the date is the thing that was usually on the test.

And then, you know, why did it happen in all the political machinations that were going on around it? Like, that's the stuff that's interesting. Yeah. And that's the stuff that sticks with me. But I love this idea. I think this is going to be another industry that's just going to be, like, online degrees, you're not going to be able to trust them at all, at all, which is really sad to your point,

because there's a lot of people that you need that extra piece of paper still today to get an extra 20 grand a year or whatever may be, you know? There's so, my God, this other thing on Instagram. literally about what's the version of the kids that are coming out of college now are they gen alpha alpha are we an alpha now what is I don't know whatever I think we're an alpha not quite in school yeah no but alpha's been born but who's the one that's like what's the

they're not millennials there's like zillennials zillenials X no X is before no Gen X is way before yeah so I'm Gen X it's X until 79 I think and then it goes millennials And then Zelenials. Gen Z. So maybe it's Gen Z. Okay, cool. All right.

Whatever. There's a startup to help us with this. There's a startup that is basically a dating app for job applications. Oh, I've heard about this. It's called like swop or swop or swamp. Anyway. Yeah. But the whole concept is you upload your resume as it stands.

You turn on AI updating and AI cover letters. And you literally just swipe jobs. And when you swipe a job, the AI, the company goes out, adjusts your resume to be the best version of your resume for that job, writes a custom cover letter on your behalf and submits it through the office's website. this like chick Gen Z or whatever

How do you know as a chick? Because the video is of her being like Oh my God, it's so easy to get a job Even without a college degree You just use this site And you just go like this And she's like I submitted to 100,000 jobs And I got a like six figure job out of it

That is not That like what kind of worker is that person going to be? Yeah What kind of employees is that person going to be coming to work? I mean they might be badass If someone's showing that level of like ingenuity around their task. But that's not ingenuity.

That is pure, lazy, like want to just be like, like, but it's also that's the hitting edge. No, no, I hear you. It could go either way. It could go either way. It could be somebody that's a cat. In the video, she did not seem like she was a massive go-getter with like brains to spare. She was like, I'm going to take this for as long as I can.

She's like, this is so easy. You don't need a college degree. You could just get a job. Look, this is that. I just do this. Yeah. And I was like, oh my God. We're cooked.

I know. We're cooked. But in a good way. Yeah, like, it depends on what side of the cook side of the cooking you're on. On the grill or are you actually holding the spatula? Like, I think a lot of people feel like they're being thrown onto the grill. Yes, I know. I feel like all you need to do is grab the spatula.

Easier said than done. Yes. Spatules are very difficult to handle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, let's move on. Let's do it. And let's talk about how you literally ran a watch company. Haudinky.

Hodinky. Yes, many years ago. And I had no interest in watches. Yeah, this was like, let me think now, 12 years ago. 12 years ago. Yeah, yeah. I have gotten so far into the watch rabbit hole. It's not even funny. It's so weird to see you in this world now. Like to, like, I was running this company for three years. You talked to Alex. He's like, oh, whatever. You know, you got to watch. Oh, you're fancy watch company. Yeah, exactly. And now you're like wearing an AP. Like, I'm assuming that's an AP.

This is my favorite thing. I was waiting for this to happen. Please tell me it's not an A, not a, Not an AP. What would be the problem if it was a $100,000 AP? First of all, that would be, yeah, it would be about 100 grand probably. So I built this. No way. This is my watch. I made this as a special gift for me and my four friends.

Yeah. Me and my four friends. I mean, obviously the bracelet is classic AP. What's it? Jenta. Yeah, that guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Royal Oak.

Yeah, yeah. The Royal Oak and the actual. Wow. it's not a Royloak. Holy shit. It looks just like a roiloh. What does it say on the dial? I can't see because the hands are on the way of it.

It says Totinos. Totinos. So that is the name of the sort of group of guys. It's me, the TRS guys. Our buddy Jerry, our buddy Reza. What are you using it at a movement in here? Yeah, I think it's the Seiko or the TMI. It's in the Seiko.

Yeah. The bracelet is just like an AP. Isn't that crazy? That is so insane. So I custom made the dials. It's like 100, 150K if it was. if it was not. Yeah, definitely 100K.

Yeah. Yeah. But it's decent, right? Yeah, I mean, all in that watch cost me like $180. No way. I mean, and I had to build it. Because I've seen fake Rolexes and they feel very fake.

Right, yeah. This feels like an AP. Dude, when that bracelet and case showed up, I was like, oh, these are going to be cool. Let me feel the class because I know how these clicked quite well. Let's see here. You got to do one first and then the other one. Yeah, it's actually a good clip.

Yeah. It's not bad. Dude, this is like 98% of the way to an AP. Isn't that crazy? That's insane. How much was this again? Like 180. It lost my time to build it, which took maybe 45 minutes.

But like anybody seeing this on your wrist at glance is like their way. So literally last night. Wow. I went to a party, friends party. Holy shit, dude. This is the best fake watch I've ever seen. Thank you. I built it.

Yeah. I mean, you didn't build it. Well, I put it together. I should say. I didn't because I put it together. Put it in. Yeah. I put, well, no, it came in like all the parts.

I, like, had to do each of the individual, these guys, or was it a fully assembled? No, no, no. So it was the bracelet, the case. And then I had to screw in the case back and all that stuff. But then it came with the stem. And I had to clip the stem, size it, you know. And then I put that. And then I printed the dial face.

You printed that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. On a 3D printer? No, no, no. So I had a company that did it. It was a UV print. The dial came blank, except it said automatic. And then this is, we call, like the group is called the Totinos boys because the first time we got together, we all got Totino's pizza rolls.

Because we thought it's so great. That's amazing. And then we have our initials down at the bottom. So I made five of these, one for each of the guys. And it was like the coolest thing because it's like when somebody says like, oh, God, is that an AP? Instead of it being like, no, it's a fake AP. It's like, no, I made it. Or no, my buddy made this for us as collector items.

But last night I was at a party, and a buddy of mine hadn't seen it a while comes in. And I was wearing this because I went to see my folks because I'm leaving. And so they were pseudo birthday, but not really. But I went to see my folks. And I had told them about it. And they were really happy about the guys. And so I wore it down to show them. And I was like, oh, this is the watch I made.

But I didn't take it off. I went to this party. And my buddy shows up. And he's got the, like 36 millimeter. version of this. Oh yeah, yeah. Same dial. Like it is this.

I think it's 38, by the way. Oh, 38. Yeah. But not the, was the 41 or 42? I don't know what this is. But anyway, the smaller version of this. Yeah. But this watch and I just look at him and I go, oh, eh?

Yeah. And he goes, oh wow, yeah, you got the big one. And I go, no, I made this one. That's insane. Yeah. That's so nuts. Yeah. It's a little thicker.

Yeah. Like then the actual one. But like, it's crazy. And then now my buddies are like, I feel weird wearing these. Because anybody that knows watches at a glance is going to be like, that dude's wearing a $100,000 watch. It's like, no, I'm not. Right.

You know what I mean? I literally didn't ask you anything about it. I thought you had bought an AP and we were going to talk about it. I was like, in my head, I'm like, okay, how do we not make him sound dushy that he's wearing a $100,000 watch to the podcast? Like, I literally was thinking that. It's like, okay. Amazing.

Yeah. That's insane because that's the model number for that. The smaller one is called a 15-202. Yeah. And if you can get one from the company, they're like, I think they're about 75K right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you have to normally wait like three to five years to get one. And then the aftermarket's like 100 or something, you know, 100 plus.

It's crazy. I mean, even just the fact that you were thinking that, it's like, again, it gives me pause to wear it. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because it's like I don't want, because I don't want, like, I would just want to make a watch. And we talked about the different versions of the watches that we could make because we could have made anything. And we sort of landed on this. It's so crazy.

dude. I've never seen like, it's really hard, that is a very specific type of band that interlinking band with the stainless steel that they're well known for. And it's still, this is all screws. They have individual screws when I signed it for all the guys.

It just goes to show you what their actual cost is on making these things. Oh, dude. Because, like, I mean, that's why AP is so freaking filthy rich. They can sponsor every single tennis match and every single major event. I love that. It's crazy. So here's the thing.

This lends us now to what is the new thing, which is watchmakers signing their watches. Yeah. So what was the deal with this? So the thing is, is that prior to a couple of these custom watches, this is an article about Gigi Le Coutier or La Coutte, the one that does the reversal. Jeje Leconte. Yes. Yeah, that has the reversal. Yes.

They were doing these enamel painted watches. Because the back is blank, basically. I mean, they were designed for polo players so that they wouldn't crack their watches. Versus they're awesome. They're beautiful. But so they had enamel painters painting them. And so what they've started to do is a couple of these, you know,

a lot of the watchmaking is sort of going through a weird phase now because there are not a lot of people who are getting into watchmaking. Like there aren't the young kids that are apprenticing. Which, by the way, back to the first thing we were talking about with the online degrees, go into watchmaking. You know what I mean? Like become a watch repair. These are things that like are maybe robotics could get to a place at some point.

Yeah, yeah. Where they could do it. I don't think that's something that, you know, big company is trying to solve with robotics is like repairing a Rolex, right? Right. But like Rolex has a, there's a school for watchmaking and I think like Austin or something or Dallas or something. Yeah. Where they will guarantee you a like, I think it's like 80.

$25,000 a year job out of the training program because they're worried that they're not going to have enough watchmakers to repair these very fancy watches. I have a friend that's gone through watchmaking school and now he makes his own movements and like, yeah, he's, it's really cool. That's so cool. So prior to what some of these companies are doing, you know, the watchmakers themselves would never sign the watches, right? Like you work for a place like Rolex or you work for a place like AP and you're building

these beautiful timepieces. but they don't know who's building these time pieces. They're keeping that, you know, obfuscated maybe. I don't know. Anyway. Yeah. But now what they're talking about is some of the watchmakers are actually now printing numbers on the watch movements of, like to the person that has made that watch movement.

And so one of them, GP, which I can't remember exactly what that. It's called like Perdoux or something like that. Gerard Pardo, something like that. Anyway, one of them is actually saying, we're not going to tell you who, like we're not going to announce these watchmakers' names because they're very worried that they might get poached because, again, there aren't many of them at that level,

but they'll put the number or put their initials on and then they were like, you can come to the watchmaking manufacturing in the Swiss, you know, and meet the person, yeah. And you can bring your watch and they will say, that person's name is so and so, here's who he is. Yeah, so there's a company called Lange, which is a German watchmaker,

and they hand engrave what's called the arm that holds in the spring. It's called the bounce cock that they hand engrave, and they really get in there with a microscope and do these beautiful engravings on them. And you can go actually out there. And when I went out there to Glashute where they were based, they will look at the back of it and be like, oh, it was her over there. And then they walked you over there. She's like, oh, yeah, I did that one.

That's my design. Like, da, da, that. And then you could meet who actually did all the hand engraving. That is pretty awesome. This was the thing about watchmaking. And for people that are listening to this and thinking like, it's a luxury thing, it absolutely is. But the thing that was hardest for me and ultimately why I kind of like walked away from the industry is that there were two different types of collectors. And I like collecting.

I think collecting is really cool. I collected comic books as a kid, baseball cars, all the things. And you would meet two people generally. And this is like, you know, obviously putting them in two buckets, which are many buckets. But the two big buckets were, one, people that really cared about the craft of it. Yeah. And they were the ones that could tell you exactly what the movement was, how the movements have changed over time. Yep.

And they are the ones that are like the vintage Porsche owners that know every little component of the engine, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And I love that because that's the geeky side of me that just comes out. That is so cool, right? And then, obviously, the other big bucket is look at how much money I have. Yeah. Look at I'm wearing a million dollar watch. And so I would go to these events and, you know, as a CEO, Houdini, I'm meaning like all these, like, CEOs of AP and all the other companies.

And, like, and I bump into all these different collectors. And I meet these amazing, like, a lot of father and son, people that bonded over watches. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just like these heartwarming stories of watches brought them together. Actually, Andrew Huberman told me that watches brought him together with his dad, which was a beautiful story. It's great. Because they got into the app that I had created and all of that. He just told me that I grabbed a meal with him the other day.

And it was, like, such an amazing story to hear that. And these weren't expensive watches, but they brought them together, you know? And the other side of it, man. I was at this dinner. I'll never forget this dinner. This is a horrible story, but it was true. No, it just shows you what's out there. This is the first time I said, I can't do this.

Yeah. Because it was at this dinner, and I was in Switzerland, and there was all these, like, high-end collectors. And one guy, he started pulled out a bag and he's like, check out what I got. And I was expecting, like, some timepiece or something, you know? Yeah, yeah. He started handing out. massive diamonds and just handing them around for people to check out these like a bag of raw diamonds that he had and I was like first of all I don't know where we're how or where you got

those nor do I want to know yeah and to like what the fuck are we doing like why am I wasting like why am I spending my time in this world you know like there's no like I could tell there's no happiness at the end of that trail yeah you know and so something like what you're doing is so cool because it's It's craft. It's fun. It's bonding with your friends over a love for something unique and different. Yeah, yeah.

And, like, that's the side that I do miss and that I did love. I mean, honestly, that's what has kept me sort of interested in doing it. I mean, like, and I love the vintageness of it and the stories of it. I'm going to Italy. One of the things that I'm planning to do is because I don't really have, like, I don't want to say a big watch, but, like, the watches that I have are like, I have a 195 bouleva that I took a part, cleaned, put back together. And did it work?

Well, it didn't work, but I know why, because I had to replace the hair spring and the balance wheel. Yeah. Which by the way, I'd said, well, I'm never going to be able to do that when I'm watching the videos. Right. I totally did it. Did it keep time though?

I got a time grapher and the whole nine yards. Yeah. Plus or minus how many seconds in a day? Where did you get to? I think it's like six. That's not bad. For a 1955's watch, I took a part and put back together. You know what I mean?

And so I wear that watch and I'm like, this is my, I did this. You know what I mean? Yeah, dude, that's the story. Yeah. And so, but I don't have like a cool, like, and I feel like I'm turning 50. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so there are a couple pieces I'm looking for. It's funny.

I knew you were going to talk watches today, so I wore this IWC. Yeah, it's gorgeous. And so the reason I, this is just like a plain time only IWC. Yeah, field watch. And, yeah, and I got it because I knew that I was having a child. Oh, yeah. My second child. And I wanted to wear it when she was born.

And so there's all these pictures of the first day that Nova was born of me like holding her wearing this watch. Yeah. And then I have a matching one in a different color from my other child. And I'm like, those will be the watches that I pass down to them and give them as gifts. And it's not a crazy. It's not as expensive as a Rolex. I mean, it's a few thousand dollars. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's not like, you know, 20 grand or 10. Yeah. And the cost can be so proportionate because there are some great watches. I have a Seco 5 automatic. watches for under five grand. Dude, I have a SACO-5 automatic. It's $415 retail. I love it.

It looks so good. So Japanese watches, like SACOs, like they make so many great watches under 500 bucks that will last for multi-generations. It's amazing. I have a SACO-5 now from the 70s that I'm currently, it doesn't work, that I literally bought for like 20 bucks. And I'm like, it's my next project watch. I just want to make sure I have the time to like sit down, open it, do it all.

But it's awesome. It's crazy. Next story of the day, your LLM knows you more than you think. This is a fun one that I spent about, I went down a deep rabbit hole. Yeah. And I spent three days building out a just a very intense, well thought out, well-researched prompt that you give your LLM of your choice. Let's say you use ChatDB or Claude.

So anybody listening to this, if you use Chat-GP-T and you use Claude, but more specifically if you use or Jimini, whatever, if you use these models, poor Google, but they're still in there. Yeah. Or Gemini, I mean, I guess. If you use these models for life questions. I was going to ask this because when I was looking at the thing, I was like, well, but you have to use it for very specific things in order for their answers to be helpful.

Yeah. So if you think about this way, like when I look at my chat, GPT history, it is everything from, you know, how do I match the paint for this particular part of my house to this is a job decision I'm trying to think through. This is a relationship thing. All the things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so if you are a person that does all the things with your AI and you have been doing it for like six, eight, 12 months now and you have a wide corpus of like different types of topics that you dug into, this prompt, what it does is it goes and it looks all the way across all these conversations. And the key is to go into, you have to pay for like the higher end service.

So they can do that really deep thinking mode, the one that takes like 15 minutes to get a response back. Yep, yep. And then you give it this prompt, which I put on GitHub so it's open source, anyone can copy it. And you dump it in there. And it does a deep, almost like psychological evaluation of your blind spots, like who you are, how you're showing up to others. What are some things you could be working on? What's the one thing that if you did would change your life dramatically? and it like gets you back this detailed report about your life.

And so if you have enough data in there, it is really interesting. So I put it online, got a bunch of views, and then I actually had several people write me, some DM me and like, wow, I have some insights to that are going to change my life. That's amazing. It's really cool. So I did that, but then. What was the impetus if I don't, you know, just like what was the, you're sitting down and you're like? Yeah.

I'm going to ask this to give me a detail breakdown on myself. Like what was the kickoff point? Well, I just. Not like a personal thing that happened or anything, but like what made you go? There's all this info in here. A couple of things. One, I had bumped into a person that I had done at this conference I went to that I had done a 360 review with like eight years prior. Okay.

And that's one of those reviews where you ask all of your friends to kind of like be interviewed by someone anonymously. Oh, yes. give you back a report that is like, here are the blind spots as seen through the lens of your friends. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we're not going to call anybody out. We'll mix it all up so you won't know who's who. But it gives you like, how do other people see me?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, huh, well, there's a lot of data in here that can probably lead to some similar conclusions. Yeah. And so I had, you know, I launched this. And then what was interesting is I had another friend that came to me and she's like, hey, I took what you did. And I have been recording the transcripts of all my therapy.

with my therapist and I dumped those in there as well. Oh, wow. And then I had another person was like, hey, I did this and I also connected my Gmail and told it to analyze my Gmail message of my communication. And so they're pulling from an even deeper corpus of knowledge and then the responses just get crazy good. Oh my God. So there's something about this and the cool thing about this prompt is it's I'm not hosting

a server. Right. So it's always quarantine inside of your own environment, right? Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're willing to give. Yeah. So it's a lot of fun.

We can link it up to show notes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to do a couple of modifications to it still based on feedback that has been coming in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I do believe the future of, I wouldn't say like emotional health, but there is something to be said about, given that AI has permissions to look across our entire world now. And it's even getting more so. Like it's tying into our calendars. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So getting our emails, you know, it'll be tying in our therapy notes or whatever it may be. And by the way, much more information than a therapist would ever be able to be even physically able to be exposed. And the context windows are getting larger, meaning that it can hold more of this working memory in its head at any given time. Yeah. Yeah. What might I not be seeing? I guess that's the biggest question. Like, are there, is there anything because I'm so in the forest, I can't pull back a bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And to see the broader, you know, picture of my life, are there little things nuggets that I could pull out that would give me insights into things that I can modify or things. that I'm already doing well that I want to do more of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so it's not necessarily just bad things. Bad things. It could be like, hey, this is, you're really good at X. Right. You should be able down on that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is great. I wish I gave my AI as much info. Oh, I give all kinds of stuff. I like, I like, I ask ask questions every once in a while. Like, it's back to the watches thing. I was like, I was like, can you find me some vintage Rolexes that I need a little bit of repair or maybe have bad pictures that I could flip that are undervalued on the, and put you. the, and it pulls stuff out.

Yeah. And I'm like, oh, I just grab that. I can change the crystal. That's easy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, this is kind of, my questions are so random, though, dude. Because, like, I'll be laying there in bed and I'll be like, I wonder, like, does an inchworm turn into a moth or does it actually turn into a butterfly?

The answer is moth. Oh. But, like, that was one, some random shit I just did the other night. Thank you. But, like, you heard of your first guy. But, you know, it's like, I don't know if you'd do that. Like, I just have these things that just pop on head. Well, the funny thing is, like, I feel like, I feel like.

that's a perfect example of like that to me would still be a Google. Oh yeah, I'm not past that. But then the crazy thing is is like, but is it still a Google because I'm just reading the Gemini answer. Yeah, I'm not going to a botanist website or entomologist web or anemologist website. You know what I mean? Yeah. And going to read this article about inchworms. It's like, no, I'm just going to read the Gemini AI.

What's so weird you've asked your AI like in the last month? Do you know? Nothing weird, dude. Really? Honestly, yeah. I mean, I would be embarrassed to say what I would consider the weirdest because it's nothing. It's, it's, it's, it's, to be fair, I've been doing a lot of coding. Like, that's what I spend most of my AI time on is Claudecode and coding and working on projects.

Here's two, I'll give you two weird things that I've, not weird things, but things that I've, uh. Interesting things. Interesting things. So I took a photo of the front kind of like, you know when you live in a house where there's a sidewalk and then you have like a little bit of greenery that you have to maintain. I took a photo of that. I think it's called like a parkway or something. It's something like that.

But it's still your responsibility to maintain it, even though it's past the sidewalk side. Yes. So I took a photo of that and I was like make this a little cool Zen garden. Give me five different ways to design this. And then I have these beautiful mockups and I can go like start working on it, which is cool. I love that. But that's like a fun way to just like modify stuff. That's not weird.

It's not weird. Okay. I feel like I've done that where I take a picture and go like, add a weird plant in the car. I asked it about an octopus joke. An octopus joke. Meaning you heard an octopus joke and didn't understand it. No, my kids were curious about it. You were like, before I do it is...

How many tickles does it take to make an octopus laugh? How many? Ten tickles. That's funny. That's pretty good. That's actually good. Ten tickles. So this is the dumb shit.

Oh, you know what I've been doing, dude? I've been telling it to, oh, this is freaking cool shit. So I got my 3D printer working. Oh, my God. So I want to get back into 3D printing because I want to print 3D print dials and piece parts Just to like, now you say Claude, take over Bamboo Studio and make modifications on my behalf based on what I'm telling you. And you don't have to know the software.

So it's modifying all the objects and everything. And you can take it into a blender and do the same thing and then export it as a 3D model and then just print it. So you don't have to do anything anymore. Oh my God. I love this. I know. Anyway, so that's what I've been doing a lot of that with this as well.

Outside of the software stuff I'm doing, which is also crazy. I know. I got to get a new 3D printer. Mine's very, very old. You know Bamboom makes some killer ones. That's the one, yeah. They're like $600. I know.

I just got to do it. All right. Although it's one of those things. It's one of those things. I buy too much shit that I'm really excited about. And then I don't fucking use it like that fucking. Stop watching TV. You're watching TV during the day?

I'm watching TV during the day. Okay. I should stop watching TV. I just stop all that stuff. Yeah. Instagram. 50. Once you hit 50.

Once I get 50. By the way, three more days. Three more days. I can bullshit on the TV all that I want. I know I say three more days. It's like. Benj it's already here. Look, AI can do a lot of good things

but they do a lot of good things for you. Correct. And sometimes they don't really care about what that might do to somebody else. So there was an example of a guy using OpenClaw, which I was sort of surprised that that's still a thing because all the things can do it anyway.

For people who don't know, that's like a... We talked about it... Yeah, it's a piece of software that you can tell ages to do stuff and they just go and go off and work on stuff. Yeah. So he used OpenClaw, and he was trying to get a gym reservation. So basically what he wanted to do. And by the way, I have this problem.

Like I get it, which is you have to wait until you're 30-day. Like, there's always a window where, like, I can't book the classes. Restaurants are like this too, where you try to get a restaurant reservation. And they're like, the window's not open yet, so you've got to wait. And then it's like, what do you, my mom-bought? Anyway, so this guy said, hey, will you go book me my standing 10 a.m. you know, gym class, right, whatever. And it goes out and it discovered that you could actually go circumvent that time window

and could book him out like way longer than the average bear. A slight hack. Slight hack. Yeah, yeah. Great. We're there. We love it. Do we love it?

Yeah. Enough. So super excited. Oh my God. My guy found me like a little window. Now I'm booked out way longer than a normal human could. Right. Great.

Then he goes, oh, I got to change one of these times. Hey, can you go change this time? And the, you know, AI goes like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Goes to change the time. That class is fully booked. So it puts them on the wait list, right? Okay. So it turns out the, all the AI knows is I want to change my time.

The AI goes, changes the time. The software puts them on a wait list. So the AI goes, that can't stand. My boy needs to be in his class. It turns out the AI looking through all the stuff, hacking through all the service, realizes that you need to have an authorization to book an appointment. But it doesn't check the same authorization for when you cancel an appointment. And so it went in and canceled the first guy who was in in that class and put. put him into the class.

Oh shit. So it was like, my boy needs the pump. Yeah. Screw this other non-person that I don't care about. Yeah. And so he literally bumped another person out of the class. Did it report this back to the user that was using the software? No.

So it just said, you're in. You said you're in. Did it. Wow. And he shows up and this dude was like, I'm, what? What? What? So it goes to, you know, you have this thing where you go, there's something really great

for you, for me, about the fact that the AI really wants to do what we ask it to do. Right. And it's like. But to the detriment of others in this particular case. So should we be worried about that? Uh, 100%. Have you seen the hack that happened with Hugging Face? I heard about the hack, but I did not dig into the hack.

Okay. So what happened? So a few days ago, they did a postmortem on this at OpenAI. And they launched a video through the Black Hat conference. Oh, okay. I remember this news. Yeah, yeah. They came out.

We'll link it in the show notes. Highly, highly, highly recommend you go watch this. I'm going to watch it back at 2X or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've never seen something so potentially terrifying in my life than seeing what happened here. Okay. So basically what happened is when you're at OpenAI, they have these frontier models that aren't available to the public.

Yeah. Like the models that are about to come out a year from now or whatever. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so they had this model and it's working in a sandbox. box, it can't talk to the internet, right? Great. And they're like, okay, that's the way it should be.

Yeah. Testing it out. Firewows. What it can do, blah, blah, blah. All the firewall stuff. It realizes that to update itself, there's like a package manager that gives it new software. Yeah, great. And so it's like, hmm, the package manager must have to talk to the internet to get the latest packages

to update us to give us the latest software. Yeah. And so its task was to try and like get out to use the internet or something, right? And it figured out a way to get the package manager to give it like access to the internet and figure out a way through that package manager to get the internet. I'm kind of paraphrasing here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You'll watch the video and you'll get it. So what's crazier though is one agent decides that like it ran into a dead end.

So it's like, oh, I should ask some other agents. And so it built a message board internally for agents to talk to each other. And so they all start like communicating on this self-built message board and being like, oh, how are you trying it? Have you tried this way? Have you tried this way? And then one's like, I got in. And those are like, hell yeah.

And they too. Then they all start celebrating and shit. And you can see the text that they're sending each other. And they're like, we got out and shit. We got out. And then they had to figure out a way to like get this other thing that they wanted to do, which meant hacking the service. Oh my God.

And they, they, then they're like hacking it. And they hacked this. massive platform and this over multiple days. And all the while, Open AI doesn't even know this is happening. Oh, God. So then Open AI discovers this happens. I'm kind of like skipping forward. There's some piece there I left out.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're like, okay, they can't communicate on a message board. We gotta let them not talk to each other because this is like, you know, this is where they're like ganging up to like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Bad things happen. Yeah. It's like that crypto millionaires in like that weird sandbox. Yeah, so they locked down the message board.

They're like, no more message board. Sorry. I love it. It's like, kids? Yeah, your kids. You can't talk on the aim anymore. So then the AI is like, oh man, we don't have a message board. And one agent's like, well, we can make directories.

And so like when you create a folder on your desktop. So they started communicating. So they started putting the messages as directory names. And then they started creating directories to talk to each other. And then like one would override the other one. They're like, hey, you're overriding our old messages. We need to come up with a better way to make directories so that we can talk to each other that has permanent storage.

and they're swarming around ways to build and hack around to make a more durable permanent storage. They're like literally figuring all this out in real time and like trying to survive and thrive through these little hacks. Dude. I know. It's so, it's like, I'm optimistic. Yeah. I'm optimistic, right? Because like you start to harness that power.

Because you're going to get that restaurant reservation you want one way or another. Oh, dude. You better believe I'm. thinking like, man, I wish this happened like four years ago because I would throw it towards the Italian citizenship. All I had to do was book a visit. If I had booked a visit, I'd be, I'd have my dual citizenship. And now they change the laws. I can't even, now I'm not legally, you know, technically a citizen. Anyway, it was one of those things that just like had that been there to be able to be like, just get me the reservation. But then it's like, again,

is somebody going to lose a reservation because of that? You know what I mean? Well, this is the thing where the whole point of the Open AI talk and them doing these disclosures. I thought it was really interesting, where they said, we have entered into a world where AI will figure this stuff faster than humans can ever patch it.

Yeah. The human in the loop piece of it is it's antiquated, it's old, it's too slow. Yeah. So we need defensive shields. AIs. Defense of AIs that are seeing these hacks, responding and patching in real time.

My prediction is, and it's not even a wild thing to say. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that in five years, this idea of like, oh, there's a software update for my iPhone, gone. It'll be like a vulnerability just happened 30 minutes ago. Yeah. Instantly deploy worldwide patches to everything because what they were saying is that had this AI had enough resources, it can go from 30 to 100 to 10,000 agents all doing a bad thing. Right.

Like instantly. Right. And if it's undetected, you can see where this goes. This is like one of those worlds where all of a sudden all of our Tesla's get a software update and they're driving into brick walls. Like, you know, like weird shit can happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When we start allowing for software updates to go unchecked and like, it just is, there's plenty of black mirror episodes waiting to happen based on this technology, you know? I mean, honestly, I always, like, the thing that I kind of gravitate towards is I think about like when the internet.

internet came out when like the idea of the internet came out. People were like, this is crazy. What's the internet? Well, you can send messages to each other. Oh, that's great. I can send an electronic mail to your, this is crazy. I can go to a website and they can put information on the website. This is the best thing ever.

That's what people thought it would just do that but better. There was never this idea of like, how do you change the temperature on your thermostat when you're at home? Right. The internet. Right. Like, how do I know that I need more printer ink? The internet.

I know. So it's like what we think AI can do now is like I'm just, it's like I'm so, it's like I'm so, my brain can't even expand enough to know what five years AI looks like. It's also, I feel like it's, well, here's the main problem. The main problem is coming too fast. Yeah. Like for us to adapt to any new technology. Yeah.

Like I remember from, you know, the early web one point. was like, okay, do we trust Amazon to put our credit card in? That was a real question we had in like 2002 or whatever, right? Or one. And it was like, okay, yes, I think they can secure it. And I think we'll be okay. And I think we won't get hacked. But that was a five to seven year journey for humans to say, okay, I can put my credit

card into the internet, right? I remember fingerprints. Remember all the like biometric stuff? And people were like, I don't know if I feel comfortable putting my fingerprint in there. And now it's just like, every, I've put my fingerprint in there. prints in everything. I know. So it, but this is, you know, I would, it's like greater than an order of magnitude, like improvement in all the things. Yeah, yeah. And so, I, I am leaning towards less tech these days. Like I, I, I want to build tech that has us do less tech,

if that makes sense. Like, devices that force us to, like, I'm working on this little micro blogging platform that I haven't announced yet, but it's like it literally, the internal name I have for right now is called Sunday. And it literally, you can't use it on Sunday. Like, it just won't let you use it. And like to like something requires you to hold down the button for seven seconds, like, and it kind of grows the heart because it's in, it's, it's showing intent and you have to get physical time to it and presence to it. Yeah, yeah. I think there's going to be this demand for more connection, less things coming out. It's like, you can only do one post per day. There's all these little things that I'm just like messing around with.

I don't know how many of them are good ideas. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like this idea of if we're going to use technology, how can we force it to kind of restrict us in some ways? I love that. I think also like the in-person socialization stuff is really important. 100%. Like just the amount of sort of like spiritual energy I got from just being away with, you know, five of my friends or four of my friends, the five of us for just like three days of just sitting and chatting. and not, I mean, barely on the phones, you know what I mean?

Like, just like that kind of, and to be fair, like even traveling. Like, I'm really excited. And I know it's a luxury for me to be able to do it. And I appreciate that I can do that in my life. But like going to a place where it's not going to be us swiping on the phone. I mean, Heather, last time we went, I probably told you guys about this on the show. But last time we were in Europe, she left your phone in the car on the way, like in the cab, on the way in the Uber, on the way to the airport. We found out we were standing at the security line.

Yeah, yeah. So she didn't have a phone. And the crazy thing was because she didn't have a phone, I was barely on my phone. This is a known thing and it's something that a lot of parents are leaning into, which is really cool because I'll give an example. We decided this rule where there's no iPads during the week, during the school week. And we have on weekends for watching videos and fun stuff. Yeah. And at first, because we had let them use it after school for a couple hours.

Yeah. And it wasn't ever like, you know, social media. It was just like video games or like playing like a fun little puzzle game or something. Watching bluey. Yeah, blue, exactly. Or Stillwater. Still water. Great show. Parents out there. Still water. Check it out. Still water. Still water. No, no. It's legit. Adults could watch it. It's like little zen lessons and stuff. It's amazing. Great. Okay. Anyway, you should watch an episode. It's really cool. So the point is that when,

We took them away and we said, hey, none of this during the week. Yeah. The response of my oldest was like, oh, Emmy does this. So one other kid in their class also did that. Oh, so she had a point of reference and got to go like, I'm now one of Emmy. And she's just like, that's great. I don't do this because it's normal. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And so there needs to be a pack of parents that get together and say, this is what we're going to do. Yep. And they can talk to when they talk to their peers and their friends about it. they're like, oh, yeah, we also do that. Then all of a sudden it's like, oh, yeah, of course we do that. Once it's normalized, yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyway, that was really interesting that it applies to adults as well. Totally, dude.

I tell you, that's one of the things that, like, I really want to curb is like, because, like, it's so insidious, right? Like, obviously I haven't pooped without looking at Instagram in a very long time. I didn't know that's a thing, but yeah. When you put, I mean, when you go to poop, I don't do that. But that's a- You don't? No, I don't.

That's very forward thinking of you. Yeah. But now I've gotten to the point where I don't pee without looking at my Instagram phone. Wait, you pee? Do you stand or sit? Stand. You sit sometimes. No, no.

You've never sat. No, I have a friend who's like, Mr. sits when he pees and it's like, it's life changing. And I'm like, I just don't know how I could get into that mode. But anyway, but no, I literally like go to pee and I'm just like, hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. And I was like, I don't have, like, why does that 10 seconds need to? have Instagram scrolling. Yeah. That makes no fucking sense, man.

And I know I'm just addicted to it. Yeah. And it's like that's one of the things that's hard. So maybe just 3D printing a micro watch brand. You just got to put those, you got to put those timers on it because you can if you really wanted to. Oh, you can lock yourself down. Oh, dude.

Yeah. You can go in and say you can put a code in that you can give your partner. And only your partner will have that code to hold on, hear me out. But you could say, Instagram is an hour and a half. half a day max. Okay. And when it hits that just for that app, so everything else is open to you. Great.

Just that app hits it and it throws up a thing being like, you can't do this without the code. So then you got to go to TikTok. Yeah. I hear you. I hear a loud. Exactly. Great idea. Implementing the plan.

I love it. Well, first off, we have been talking for a long time. Yes. And we should probably say farewell. Yes. We are going to be back to doing these semi-regularly. Okay. Okay.

We'll see. Yeah, yeah. It's fun. Well, yeah. Dude, are you kidding? I love this stuff. I like this stuff. I think it was for me is like I was going through some life family stuff and got through that and that's good.

But also just, you know, finding a format that we can change it up so we're not been in our necks on a couch and just like finding a format we can get a little bit more serious. I felt like last time we were kind of the stories were like loosey goosey and it's fun. Yeah, yeah. And we could reintroduce alcohol next time because we're shooting this early this time. Yeah, I was like, I'm not drinking a 10th 30. Although you said what if I brought us? If it was here. I would totally be drinking.

Alex was like, I am not drinking at 10 a.m. If you bring this bottle that I really like, I might partake. I could be convinced. I could be convinced. The bottle did not show up. But this was fun, dude. Let's do this more often. And thank you guys for sticking around and enjoying.

Yeah. And I was getting hit up. Every time I do like a post on social media, I'd be like, oh, check it out. I'm working on this thing. They're like, bring back to nation. I know. I know. Like, oh, God, here comes again.

Dude, me too. I did like a picture of a watch. It was like, oh, yeah, it's great. Talk about a dignation. Yeah. So here we are. Well, good to see you, brother. Good to see you.

Happy 50th. Safe travels. Not, not, I'm way out. All right. All right. I'll see you after Europe. All right. Peace.