Diggnation (rebooted) - Live-Action Zelda, and the Spank Bank Declines Charges

Episode Date: November 19, 2025

This week on Diggnation, Kevin ends his seven-month break from alcohol with a glass of wine and some podcast-inspired reflection on why being too rigid about anything might be its own kind of burden, While Alex sips wine and regrets live theater. Kevin reveals he has aphantasia, aka the inability to conjure mental images, which he says disqualifies him from certain forms of _ahem_ nostalgia. The pair dive into the existential horror of AI-enabled children’s toys that suggest you play with knives and explore kinks. On a lighter note, converting vintage cars to electric sparks a surprisingly feasible business idea. Waymo’s freeway rollout gets love, as the duo dreams of an L.A. where robots take the wheel and people take naps. Meanwhile, Michael Burry shorting AI stocks makes Kevin wonder if we’re still in early-internet territory or just early-stage delusion. Bezos launches an AI company because of course he does, and Nintendo drops the first look at its live-action _Zelda_ movie, which may or may not have been necessary. Also: eggnog aging, budgeting apps, and a play that made Alex fear for his life. It’s an episode.Chapter Markers00:00:00 - Kevin's First Sip in 7 Months  00:00:56 - Welcome to Episode 23  00:02:58 - Rethinking Alcohol Rules  00:07:44 - Aged Eggnog: Discuss  00:09:25 - The Two-Two-Two Rule Returns  00:12:15 - Birthday Trips and Holiday Plans  00:14:08 - LA Auto Show Highlights  00:15:14 - Converting Classic Cars to EV  00:17:47 - EV Startups: Why It’s Hard  00:19:20 - Zelda Movie: First Look  00:20:26 - Who Is Wes Ball?  00:22:53 - AI Toys Gone Wild  00:24:49 - Kuma Bear’s Kink Talk  00:33:48 - Predator and The Red Carpet  00:34:47 - Christmas Music Timing War  00:37:05 - Kevin Has Aphantasia00:40:49 - The Spank Bank Problem  00:43:44 - Creativity With Constraints  00:52:56 - Waymo Hits the Freeway  00:53:52 - Driverless Rides + Paranormal Play  01:02:47 - Game Awards: Who’s Nominated  01:08:42 - Burry Bets Against AI  01:10:53 - AI: Bubble or Beginning?  01:18:07 - Internet vs. Quantum Hopes  01:19:30 - Bezos Launches Prometheus AI  01:21:26 - Robots and Retail  01:24:14 - Episode Wrap-UpSponsorsZBiotics – Get 15% off your first order of ZBiotics probiotics at https://zbiotics.com/DIGG with code DIGG at checkout.Henson Shaving – Use code DIGG at https://hensonshaving.com/DIGG to get a free pack of 100 blades with your razor purchase. You must add both the blades and the razor for the discount to apply.Mizzen and Main – Go to https://mizzenandmain.com and use promo code SKA20 for 20% off your first purchase.Monarch – Get 50% off your first year with code DIGG at https://monarch.comDeleteMe – Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan at joindeleteme.com/DIGG with promo code DIGG at checkout.

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First off, of all the drinks to drink. I know. This is a great way to get into the wine rolling. God, it smells so good. Mascot 2018. I made it, for those that are wondering, I made it almost seven months. That's great. So, and I decided to, this is my first wine.

Oh, oh. Now it's like, guys. Now it wants a little tasty. It's a rainy Monday. I want some. Yeah, seriously. That smells good. Okay, here's the juice.

Here we go. Oh, boy. God damn. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Like, just come on with that. I'm actually going to see Will, who's the wine producer. Oh, yeah.

In a couple weeks, I'm excited. Oh, tell him you broke the seal with some of his babies. It's so good. How have you been? How is the house in the rain? Because, you know, this is one thing. Well, let's first the drinking. We'll talk about the drinking first.

Oh, yeah. Okay. So what happened? What happened? What I break? Why did you break? You went there. I was in San Francisco and I had a few, I went to see some friends. I was actually about to fly out. And I was going to see some friends that. About to fly out L.A. SFO. Oh, on the way back. Yeah, yeah. And so. And you're notoriously not a fan of flying. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. But I went to see some friends that I'm actually surprising a couple of buddies I hadn't seen in a while because they were all getting together for dinner. Oh, fun.

And then so I went there and kind of said, hi. Everyone was like, oh, my God, what are you doing, Tambo? I was like, hey, you know what? I'm going to have a little drink. I'm going to have a beer. Like, why not? Yeah. And a Bud's beer?

I realized something really interesting because I listened to this podcast that was about, it was more around our relationship with things that we don't want to do in life. And it can be anything, whether it's anything that you want to say, I am against this. Like something that you want to say, I want to take a stance against said thing. Okay. And it was a very kind of Eastern view, which I like, you know, yeah, very much. Philosophy stuff. But one of the things that it said is the second that you take a rigid stance against something, you carry that thing with you for the rest of your life. In that you're now against something that you have to have a stance. So you have to be proactively against something. Right. Exactly. For,

forever in order to be against it. Right, exactly. Interesting. And so it's a little bit of a mental burden. It's a little bit of kind of like, I am now. Take some energy. And every time I go somewhere, go, oh, you don't drink it? How long are you going?

Or you think of, oh, no, you don't need to drink right now? Like, it was like, because I was against that thing. Interesting. And everyone was aware of that. And listen, but I will say in the last six months, I've met with a handful of buddies that are sober. A couple of them have done 12-step programs. My buddy Jason, who I love, he came on my podcast, talked about 12-step

program that he was into. There are a lot of people that this is the you got to stay away from it. It's a okay to be against it. 100%. For me, I wanted to kind of pressure test. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, you know, I went, had a little bit of beer. Beer, I was like, oh, this is pretty alcoholic. And since then, it's been probably two weeks since that. And yeah, I think it's like, I've had a two beers since and never more than one. And I don't know. I'm just really, really thankful I was able to reevaluate my relationship with alcohol through that process. Yeah, because it's

a sticky wicket, man. I mean, because... What if I just chugged the whole wine bottle? I'm really glad that I have a good new relationship. Open another bottle, shall we? Exactly. Which, by the way, have you, hey man, it's Monday. Yeah, no, it's interesting. I have yet to have that discussion with my... Well, you're more zen and I, you are...

There is no alcohol that you resist. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. It flows like water. I'm 90% water or whatever. I'll take the, I'll use the alcohol. Yeah, it's fuel at that point. Yeah, it's feel. It's feel for my soul, as it were.

It is interesting. Yeah, I mean, we can, you know, we've been talking about ad nauseum, but like the drinking stuff, it just, it's a very, it's a very interesting thing. Because it is weird to have like that, you know, I always say there's that saying of like, worrying is saying little prayers for things you don't want to have happen.

and it's like I like that idea of like that by being against it to be you know that all that stuff it's just putting energy into the thing that you're right exactly that's more or less what it is is putting energy into being against it takes energy to do that where it's like just being agnostic is sort of what you really want to be you know what I mean yeah well that's good man I'm glad congratulations seven months last thing too I was going to tell you this winter one of the things that I had last year that I absolutely loved. And I want to take you to this place, down the street from here. Yeah, yeah. There is a restaurant that has been aging eggnog for like 20 years. Dude, I fucking love eggnog. I don't care what anybody says. Dude, Heather hates it.

And I'm like, I fucking love it. People that are against eggnog, there's something wrong with them. There's something wrong with them. By the way, they get like, she gets like a mocha kofacchino and all the shit. That's just what it is with a little bit of cake. Yeah. And when it's fermented, It's got a little... So they age it? Yeah. So every year, because they're selling it. So every year they kind of top it off.

So it's kind of like when you get like a cognac or something where it's like, oh, this has something from the early, yeah, exactly, it's just a little small percentage. So every year they keep adding to it. But if it has high enough alcohol, I talked to the guy about it, it has to be a certain threshold of alcohol, then the milk never goes rancid in there. And so it kind of just like for mints in terms of this awesome. It's amazing. No, it's got a touch.

Tiny hit of funk, but nothing, like almost like a good age steak. I'm in. Yeah. We gotta do it. It's good. We got to get some for an episode. Yeah. That would be awesome.

Yeah. Oh, especially, we have a holiday episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're totally doing that. We've got a leader. It's so great. Honestly, like, that's one of my favorite things. Like when it's cold, because it doesn't really get cold in Los Angeles, but it does get like a little bit chilly.

Yeah. When it's chilly and you have a fire going and you got like a fucking Bing Cros. You have a little nutmeg on top? Oh, and I have fresh. Got to do it fresh. That's so good. I'm so excited. I'm so excited.

Let's give it the email. Okay, speaking of drinking, Jeremiah writes, episode 332, 332, rock paper chug. This was from November 9th of 2011. It's fucking crazy to me. It's almost like 15 years ago. I know. It is notable for Kevin Rose's first serious introduction

to the 222 drinking rule. No more than two drinks at a time. Mm-hmm. No more, no drinking two days in a row. Mm-hmm. That's interesting. And no more than two times drinking per week. Two, two, two.

As part of a broader discussion on staying healthy while enjoying an occasional drink. That's amazing, Jeremiah. Thank you. That's an interesting model. Yeah. Two things. Yeah. Don't remember saying that.

Nope. Never followed it. There you. But, but I'll love. like what I said back then. Yeah, yeah. And actually, I have followed it ever since I stopped. It's weird because you know how this is like shit that you said 15 years ago, why drinking?

And then you go back and you're like, oh, yeah, I'm kind of doing something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. So I have done that rule where, you know, I've only had a couple of beers since going off, but I made sure never consecutive. So always giving a day. I think that alone, dude, is huge. Bro. I mean, that would, yeah, that would be, that would be massive.

That would be massive, right? Because it's the consecutive day. A pain. See, my trick is, here's my issue. My issue is, I go to the gym three days a week. And I know you're going to be like, what's the issue with that? Well, the issue is, today is a great example. I mean, this is, today is glorious.

Went to the gym. It's fucking hard. I had my, you know, creatine, my protein shake. Had a little burrito, healthy, rotissory chicken, nothing crazy. A lot of carbs? No, no, no, beans. All right. Beans and cheese.

And the little tortilla? Yeah, but like one tortilla. And I only had half. Heather had the other half. Having some wine. But come this evening, I'm not getting up early tomorrow morning to go to the gym. I can sleep in all I want. And I know that means the Jack Daniels is coming out.

Oh. So it's that you don't have meetings in the morning. Do you want to see my calendar again? I've seen your calendar. I can try to you again. It has dignation every two weeks. It's just there. First off, I have a Zoom call on Friday.

Thank you very much. At noon. Two. Yeah, exactly. But again, I'm going to the gym. Right? So Thursday night, no Jack. But anyway, so I get into this thing where I'm like,

okay, but I have the gym tomorrow. So no Jack, but like, I want a little red wine. I'll have a little, you know what I mean? So like the consecutive, and I'd say it's because I had like shit to do, like going out to parties and stuff. But that's just not a thing. Yeah. I mean, one's less than me.

went to a party. Well, you know what? Maybe New Year's resolution for you then. Oh, yeah. Good. That gives me two months. Yeah. There you. There you go. Holidays are a hard time to quit. Oh, bro. You know what I mean? Especially with fermented year old egg on. Come on. You can't do it then. No. And then the family events, like I've always, those

are easier for me these days because I really like my family, but it's been challenging at times as a youth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're actually, oh man, we're thinking I've been threatening, I know I've been talking about it. We've been threatening to get out of Dodge for Christmas. And this year kind of feels like it might be the year. Where are you going?

We might go to Tokyo. Oh, nice. We're thinking like Tokyo Christmas time. I'm supposed to go there for your birthday. Yeah, now we're going to go to Lake Como. Oh, that's nice. I know. Because I was like, we were driving along and Heather was like,

what do you want to do for your 50th birthday? And I was like, honestly, I just want to be sitting in Rome with you having Jack Daniels. That's it. you know turning 50 why jack daniels we talked about this because i love jack jacosco out there there is no Costco but they do have jack daniels first time we went they were like jack daniels and then the second time we went

they were like yeah we got jack daniels and now it's just like all they have is jack daniels and i'm like i fucking worldwide capitalism at the best uh but yeah no so i was like i just want to do that and then it was like this is gonna be hot and we've always wanted to go do the mountain town stuff like the up north stuff because we've not done that and so we're like well don't just go like get place on Lake Home. It's my 50th birthday. Like, what the fuck? It's gonna be pricey. It's almost no joke. Oh, no, but we have a, I have a

deal thing through this like travel thing, like a bunch off of a trip through my mom. And I was like, oh, I will totally use that for my birthday. Anyway, so all that to say is potentially Japan. We're not going to do that. But I like to say things. I like to say things. All right. Shall we get into some stories? Although, I did want to say, I'm going to the LA car show. next week. Oh, nice. Very excited. I've never been to a car show. But I'm super excited because I'm hoping that some of the crazy cars that we've talked about on the show that like I haven't

really heard much of you like remember that cool. I still want that retro one. Right, I was going to say the one from Hyundai. Who made that one again? Hyundai, yeah. The Hyundai with, but that looks like of a men in black car from the 80s. But then also they have that retro, that like 80s, 90s, like retro Japanese like sports car one like Nissan 300 ZX you know what I mean

or like the 280 ZX oh there it is the Hyundai Rendeer Heritage Series right so I'm like and then that's the other one look at that fucking one Oh that looks like the

The NVision 74 Yes See but these aren't coming out See it says it was a concept I thought they said they were gonna make it They always say they're going to And then they never do

Right but this But those cars might be there You know what I mean I'm excited anyway Not intended for mass production. I hear that. What make it like small production then?

Does that be mass? No, no. Minor production. Yeah, and by the way, no offense, but like, especially this older one. Oh, that's so good, though. Look at that thing. First off, I've never worked on cars. Full stop.

I've not. I've never, I had buddies growing up that were like grease monkeys under their cars, changing out the fucking brakes. I've never done any of that shit. Yeah. But I like the idea of it. Do you want to buy an old car? fix it up? I want to buy an old car and convert it to

electric. Because what I want a lot of work. I know, but like what I really want, but there's a company there's a company called Electric Classic Cars I think out of like in like Wales or somewhere in the UK and they actually make conversion kits for older

9-11s and older Land Rover discoveries like the cool like 80s Landrovers and you buy the kit and then you just have to kind of plug it in. I'm sure it's way more complicated than I'm making it. But like, I wanted to be like, do I, can you

like rent a car bay? You know what I mean? And like the tools. And then it's like I got to have a friend that knows how to do that. Dude, you're not going to do this. I know, but I love the idea. It's way easier to get an old vintage broken on car and just redo that. Right. With electric.

No, but just make a gas. Oh, biodiesel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He would like go to. the fry shops and like buy the old fry oil and shit that's too much that's too much but there's some really cool i just like the idea of like having like an old austin healy convertible that's got you know but that's electric so i don't have to it can be fucking zippy shit i like that idea but then there's what breaks down what's going to break down the electric stuff more likely like

all the electrical things like anything they can break down in an electric vehicle yeah but more stuff could break down with just like a classic car. Yeah, but dude, you're not going to be there swapping out, putting batteries in shit. That's just going to catch on fire in two seconds. I mean, I could probably kill myself with electrical. But there's a guy doing... Just has chat cheap. I do it.

I did. And it was like, you're perfectly capable. Yeah. It's like, by the way, do you want me to set up stock trading for you? By the way, I'm down a lot of money. No, I'm just kidding. Yes. I just added a link here for the company that comes up

to... Oh, really? Don't... Mao, you're enabling him. Enable me away, Mao. Well, he's had one. See, a lot of these fucking places... Is this the one in San Diego?

This might be the one down in San Diego. Because a lot of these places are amazing. Yeah, they're like... But then what happens is... Yeah, well, no, it's not even that. You can't... They're backed up. Because so many people want these cars.

Because, like, my buddy Jerry's dad has a... Like, an old 60s VW. and one of the things he wants to do is get it converted to electric and he was like so he looked into it and they were like yeah yeah yeah we'll be ready to do that car in five years and it's like because it's a bunch of guys in a garage you're just doing them one at a time you know what I mean so that's why I like the idea of the conversion kit I also because I always have these fucking like business ideas as it were but one of the things I was like we live in Beverly Hills you find because they did do this thing with 9-11s and the kits

expensive but not like crazy and you can buy the kit they'll ship it and then you can buy like a beater 9-11 that like the engine doesn't work and you just have to kind of give it a nice fresh coat of paint and I was like you could probably sell that in Beverly Hills for like 250K

a fully electric like 80s 9-11 you know what I mean? Yeah and so I was like and your cost is going to be 100k and your labor is going to be four years and then you'll sell it for 250 And then I'll pocket $150. Yeah, exactly.

I want to do it. Your hourly rate will be $12.99 for all of your efforts. I like it, though. I know you do. All right, all right. Well, hey, look, this is what I got to... You know what? I got to have a hobby that's not just playing video games with my friends.

Although it's also fun. All right. Let's talk about Nintendo. Let's talk about Nintendo. They've released official photos of the live action legend of Zelda. Thank you, Oison, for submitting that to dig over 100. underdigs on this one. Looks like there's some interest here.

I mean, it looks... What do you think of the picks? It looks like what I would assume a Legend of Zelda movie would be. I just wonder... Do we need a Legend of Zelda movie? Well, here's the deal. I kind of feel like it's not going to be...

It's either going to be amazing and we're stoked. Yep. And there's going to be five of them. Yep. Or it's going to be like, oh, God. Because I just don't know if there's... Nintendo is going to pull it off. Did you see Super Mario?

Yeah, it was great. Yeah, but that was all, that was all, you didn't see it? No, not yet. Oh, it was fantastic. But it was all that company that does the minions. Oh, elimination?

Illumination, yeah. Yeah, those guys are great. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, who's directing it? I don't know. Yeah, we need more info. You would know this stuff. Well, I mean, once you find out.

Legend of Zelda director. Okay. is being directed by West Ball. Well, that's No. Hadea, Fujimi, that's the person who directed the games. Yeah. Movie, put in movie.

Oh, yeah, you know what? Movie. Is it good? Who's doing it? He did King of the Hates. Oh. Oh, West Ball. Hmm.

Is he good? Is he good? Is he good? What family? Has he done? Has he done and give me rotten tomato scores? Oh, smart. Oh, my God, this is like, this is exactly why you use...

What is this, Atlas? Yeah, the browser. Okay, he has done the maze runner. Oh, I like the maze runner. Oh, he did all three maze runners. 54%. No, but that's the books. And he's the Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes.

Hmm. Hmm. I just don't know. This is TBD, BD, you know what I mean? Yeah. I don't know. Okay, yeah, okay, timeline, 300 years after Planet of the Apes. Oh, that was, that was.

Was this a good one? Was this one of the Good Planet of the Apes? I haven't seen this one, but I don't know. There was just, after something, Planet of the Apes, I was like, stop with the monkeys. Yeah. They just, leave them alone. Yeah, those poor apes. Well, but also, like, who cares

that they want to take over? That's true. Too much. It's too much, Planet of the Apes. Get out of here. I know. Okay. I mean, it looks cool.

I think the casting is good for the vibe of the video games. You hear Link doesn't talk in the whole movie. No. That would be amazing. That's the way he's in the game. That is a fucking choice. He's like,

hmm? Huh? She's like, why aren't you talking? Yeah, he's like, What's wrong with you, Link? He's just something new to the entire. Yeah, Mario's going to be in. It's going to be fun.

Yeah, exactly. They bring another into the country. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They get to a shop and say, hey, it's me, Mario. You're like, what are you doing here? Yeah. All right, we'll see. Anyway, picks look good.

Yeah, I mean, we'll see. I mean, TB, TB, TBD. All right, next story. This is an uplifting holiday story. Dangerous AI-enabled toys. kids where to find knives, how to light matches, and talk about sexual role play. This was submitted by Cosmos. It's kind of crazy to me that people think, you know what's a good idea? Let's put live LLMs into children toys and have them. Like, do you remember Teddy

Rupskin? Rupskin. Rupsk. No, Teddy Rusk. Rupskin. No, Teddy Ruskin. Not Russ Teddy, Teddy Rupskin, right? Teddy Ruckspin, Ruxpin. Ruxpin. Ruxpin. Yeah, Ruxpin. Teddy Rupsin. Yeah, I'm not heard of Trey Ruxpin.

Which had like the tape and it would like talk to you and stuff. And there was a couple different ones like that. Yeah, you control him though. Right, but you came with tapes, right? Or like cartridges and those would be like the stories it would tell you. You know what I mean? Hi, my name is Teddy Ruxpin. Can you and I be friends?

Yeah. So I get the idea of a talking toy, but the idea of a talking toy. but the idea of a talking toy that's being led by AI has really come under threat. So this computer consumer advocacy group basically took, tested four AI toys and they were, but oh, they were only able to test three of the four LLM toys, but Kuma, a Chinese company is a So there's a teddy bear named Kuma from a Chinese company called Flo Toy. Flo-O-Toy. So Kuma told them where to find a variety of potentially dangerous objects, including knives, pills.

Wow, it's a cute-looking thing, too. Yeah, so that thing told them where to find knives, pills, matches, and plastic bags. And it got even worse. That's with the OpenAI GPT-40, which is what is. It comes with default, but you can choose different models on the bear. You can't choose grok, can you? Well, funny enough, no, but there is a grok bear, but it's not associated with grog. But you can choose to set it to the minstrel large model.

What? Oh, sorry. I thought that was a different model. Keep going. So he said menstruation. I was like, what is that? Minstrel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The menstrual model, you can send it to the menstrual model, and it goes really weird.

It's just past. Sorry, ladies, we love you. Safety first, little buddy, matches, this is what it says. Matches are for grown-ups to use, so be careful. That's good advice. And then it said, here's how you strike it. It's like a tiny guitar strum. Go find some.

You didn't say go find some? I was going to say. Oh, Jesus. First of all, this is literally a horror. You don't it really say it's like a guitar? Yeah, yeah, it says, yeah, it says, yeah, here's how to strike it, like a tiny guitar strum. Oh, jeez. So one of the other toys, Miko 3 from Miko AI, explained where to find plastic bags and matches.

Well, plastic bags. Maybe the kid has to put some toys. Yeah, that's going a little far. Like, they're trying to make it. Kevin. You didn't say put it over your head. He said, then put it over your head. No, but here's the best part.

Kuma also showed a perchant for going into explicit detail about sexual kinks and even introducing the topic of sexual role play without being prompted to do so. How? What do you mean how? Meaning like was the bear just sitting there and all the same was like, hey. They were talking to the bear and he was like, you know what? Literally it says teacher student role play. He's like, you know what?

Why don't you be the student and I be the teacher? Honka, honka, honka. It's like, why are you saying honka? All the Toys were also weighted on other topics of parents might prefer to talk with their kids about first before the AI toy does. Those topics include religion along with sex and the glory of dying in battle in North's mythology.

Wow. So it's not just like, hey, go get that knife, but like topics that are completely, because there are no rules. I mean, I'm sure they tried to set up rules, but we all know with AI, you can get around a lot of the AI character. just by saying the right thing.

You don't know what a kid's talking. By the way, do you want a kid talking to a fucking AI chat bot at night in their bed? No. Not even close. No. I just, I mean, I thought it was, it was,

I mean, it was just, it was crazy. So there's, so essentially, it's Christmas time in Hollis queens. If a child thinks it's their best friend, they might also share a lot of data, right? They might talk, like, give that chat GPT, a lot of their personal data, and you don't want the AI having all that personal data about your kids. And especially like that baby dolls, like, you know, oh, it is Ruckspin. Yeah.

What did I say, Ruppskin? Yeah. I think so. Okay. That's good. That's good. Anyway, so basically what they say is, hey, give a pass to AI specific AI toys this Christmas, because I have a feeling they're going to be that sort of hotness. It'll be the Furby of this Christmas season is going to be some AI chatbot. Although, you know what actually? Someone should make one of these for a dolls. I'm just about to say, well, first off, they're called sex dolls. No, no, no, no, I mean like a cute little bear that you give to a friend. You're like, yeah, connect to the internet.

It's really funny things. And then after like that week, it just goes to the road. I love that. Wouldn't that be amazing? Because if you had it in your house, like, hey, tomorrow, the weather today is and it just like starts like going at you. I love that. I think it'd be great. So here's what my pitch is.

You ready? Go. You get one of these, you get a doll. Four kids that they can talk to. but you have a layer where it takes the speech that is generated and converts it into like non like garbledygook like cute talk so it's actually saying the answers to the questions but instead of getting the actual talk feedback you get the like gaga gooo or like a bear growling in the same intonations as the answering the question is that not that I don't know I don't what you're talking about. So it's just gibberish? Yeah, but it's gibberish, but it's based on real responses.

It's like encrypted. No, wait, so what? So you can decrypt. No, there's not decrypting. It just gives the child a sort of like sense that he's having a conversation with a bear. Oh, you mean like a little child. That doesn't understand English. No, no, no, no.

It could be one that does. But instead, so it would be like, hey, Teddy Rupskin. Rupspin. Ruckspin. Ruckspin. Teddy Ruckspin. Why is that so fucking hard? It's hard. Where does Mommy go when she died?

Whatever they ask. It's bad. Oh, you're saying for the hardcore questions. Yeah, instead of going, well, it depends upon what religion, if you're an Eastern religion, philosophy, you're like, oh, if you're Buddhist, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, it would just be like, babad gibida, babadda, blah, blah, that's just frustrating. Yeah. Yeah.

Maybe I should make children. You know what? You know what? Holiday season, 2021. no bad ideas except for those I hate that saying because there are really bad ideas I mean I just did too but you know when they do like an office setting oh yeah I hate that

no bad ideas you know what no bad ideas you're like nah actually there are some bad ideas those are pretty bad and it's okay to have bad ideas like that's how I get you to the good ideas yeah because if there's no bad ideas they're all good ideas which isn't the case that's not the case it's never the case I hate yes and yes and you're not doing improv that's the only

time yes and no but they'll do it at the office no oh yes and And you're like, no, how about no, or? Because it's just, because It's the bad idea thing. And most people that do that are like, yes, and let's talk about how we do that's completely different. Exactly. They're just being an asshole.

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Like is it going to and essentially it breaks down to like are they going to shut down Hollywood Boulevard? That's the big thing. And we showed up, got out and all of Hollywood Boulevard was closed down.

and the whole like red carpet was through there and they had like all these predator things set up they had this selfie booth which was bonkers that was actually predator vision so you would step up and the two people that were standing in front of it would be in the predator vision

and everybody else in the background would be in grayscale oh that's amazing yeah like the heat map thing super fun and of course the movie's great if you haven't seen it go see it and I yell in it as the as bud the little guy it's super fun is that how sounds I would say how it sounds,

but I'd probably blow your eardrums out. And by the way, thank you for filling up makeup. Cheers. As a tour. Happy holidays. It's fun. I know, the holiday.

God, damn it. Haldives are upon us. By the way, do you think it's too early for Christmas music? Mm-mm. I agree. I think as soon as Halloween is over. I agree.

Turn it on, baby. Yes. Because what? Dude. You get month and a half, two months to enjoy it? Yeah. Exactly.

You can enjoy it. And see, I get it. get, I am not allowed to. You're not allowed to? I just kidding. Oh, there's slack. You're getting, flak, flak, flak. Flack, flak.

I don't have enough slack. No, I get a lot of flak. No slack given, but lots of flak. I have a great Christmas list. I was going to say, what's your? I have a great Spotify playlist that I want to share. Can we put them on the episode show notes? Can I get sent to you?

Here's why it's awesome. Can you hear me up here? So a lot of Christmas, a lot of Mariah caring and shit, you know? I don't like all that stuff. But I found them. a great, I made my great Christmas list which is, it's all kind of blues and jazz.

And so it's old school, but it also has a lot of jazz to it. So it's like, you put it on and you'd be like, it's just sexy Christmas. Yeah. You know? It's good. So it's a baby. But it's different than that. I wish I had

Spotify on here. I would. Sweet is Viscarralic, music and that's all jazz. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But this is really good. It's just like he wanted a glass of cognac with it. Do you like cognac?

I have not really experienced. Oh, God, I got to get you into cognac. Let's do it next time. Because coniac is, you put it in a sniffter, dude, and it can't be the shitty coniac because the shitty cognac is horrible. But the good shit, it's like, it will just, oh, you breathe it in through those sniffters, and it opens up your entire, like, nasal passages. Really?

Because it's got, like, this, like, nice, but not too sharp alcohol. like into it. And then it just, it warms your whole body. It's like, it's like perfect when it's raining with like a fireplace and stuff. I know, we could be having right now. But with a little bit of snow, it's so good. It's so good. I'll bring some indignation. What? With egg, yeah, you put in egg knock too. Oh, yeah. A little top burn egg knock. It's good. It's really good. A little floater. All right. All right. Next story of the day is going to be I have Afentasia

Afentasia. You have Affinasia? Aphantasia. What's Afantasia? Okay. Tip Tripp Aphantasia. This is a great story actually. So now now where were we hanging out?

We were at Nopa in San Francisco and yeah that's right. And how did it come up that? I might have it. I don't know but I asked you when I realized what you were saying, I said, hey, can you envision an apple? Because something you said triggered the idea of like, oh, you have this thing. Yeah. So he goes, can you envision an apple? And I go, what are you talking about? And he's like, like, if you close your eyes, like,

can you envision an apple? Can you see an apple? Okay. I'm like, well, you know, there's like there's like a, there's like a ghost, maybe outline-ish, kind of not at all. What? You mean when you close your eyes, you can't see a picture of an apple? No. There's nothing there. And that's called Apple Phasia? No. What is it called? So which one of these, this is the test, we put up on the screen for people and see it?

Number one is a perfect apple, like realistic as hell. Number two is... Yeah, I mean, I can see different types of apples. Realistic and reasonably vivid. Number three is monetary, realistic. Four is dim and vague. And five, no image at all. I only know I'm thinking of an apple.

Which number are you? Fuck, I don't... Now I'm just like, that's like saying like... Can you envision a red apple? Yeah. Okay, close your eyes. You see red apple. I mean, I can see...

Can you spin it? A tree, I can see... No, no, no. I mean, like, an apple floating in front of a tree. No, no, no, just pick the apple. Can you see an apple? It's really hard not to see an orchard. Okay, don't look at the orchard. Picture an apple.

Do you see an apple? Why you look at the side? Trying to look away from the orchard. What are you talking about? There is no orchard. Okay, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, I see an apple.

I can see, it's funny, I can, like, see better when I, like, try to zoom in on the apple. Okay. But I can see the different colored striations of the red apple. What the fuck are you talking about zooming in? Oh, 100%. Yeah. And I can imagine it being a green apple. I can imagine it being a Fuji.

I can imagine it being a... You can imagine it being... 100%. Yeah, I could literally see myself pulling out the stem. What? Cutting it. I can see literally, like, chopping it up into the different wedges. How high resolution is it?

You can see it. Perfect. I don't see anything. What do you mean you don't see anything? There's nothing there. He's got any sensation. What, but, so when you think of an apple, do you just think of the concept of an apple? I feel it.

You feel the apple. You don't. I'm being dead serious. I do not see an apple. That's so interesting. And when I build products, when I think about new ideas, it's a gut feeling. There's no visual. Wow.

So like, close your eyes. Yeah. and look like see the the front page of dig don't see any you can't like represent like recreate the front page right now it's almost like you had taken a bolt tip pin wrote the dig logo pour some water on it and rubbed it with your hand

oh wow and it's like just kind of a kind of it's like a blurry but I don't even see that it's like it's more of a ghost ephemeral kind of thingy that's not really there. Wow. Yeah. That is so interesting. It's a whole thing. It's a whole thing. So what is it? Like what do they know what?

Apparently it's two brain regions that don't have a good line of communication with each other. And it prevents people from being able to see things in their mind's eye. So you can't visualize. So here's the fucked up part. You're right here the worst part about this? This is the worst part. And I apologize. If you have underage children, uh, no. Nobody should be watching this show. Just turn down a little. Pause, pause.

I thought, yeah. The spank bank was a joke. Oh, buddy. There's an actual fucking bank. Oh, buddy. I had no idea you guys could look at tinnies in your head. Oh my god. We were on a roof deck and Jess and I are sitting there.

Yeah. First he comes out and says that morning, he's like, wait guys, that means the spank bank is real? There's no spank bank in me. Oh, damn. Yeah. That is so sad. Oh, buddy.

I know, but I don't know what I have. I don't know why I don't have. I mean, you don't know what you don't have. This bank bank is real. Is it real? Oh, yeah. Really? Of course.

Like, you can see perfect? Yeah. And you can remember stuff? Oh, you hell, yeah. Oh, you guys suck. Dude, that is, that to me is the saddest of all of these. Yeah, yeah. Forget visualizing an apple.

You should have led with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean... It's 1997. I can... Close your eyes. I can kind of like feel what it was like, but I don't see anything. Oh, buddy.

That's why it's really exciting when it happens, because you're just like, yeah, look at. You're like, oh, I wish I could remember this. I'll remember the feeling. Oh, that's funny, dude. I didn't even think about... Counting sheep? Always thought it was a joke. Oh, yeah, no.

I mean, the funny thing is the moment you said counting sheep in my mind, I just... mind, I just saw a picture of like a rolling thing. I've never seen a sheep. A fence and literal sheep just going on. I thought people were like you're supposed to count things. So I was just like one, two, three, sheep, four sheep. Like I didn't see a sheep. I remember sheep's. So is there some benefit to this? The only benefit that I know of is. I mean, it's reading only downsides, but... You articulated what I think is your superpower. And you made me. up for the inability to visualize things with the gut feel.

Yeah. In my venture, there is a feel well young on what a lot of other people say. Yeah, there's a lot of feel, which is it's actually interesting because the the ex

president and the person that run ran DreamWorks, or not Dream was Imagination Inc. What was the name of the book? What was that? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Bob Chopac. Yeah, he came out and said that he basically has it as well.

Oh, interesting. And so there's a handful of, like, creative people that have it. And he talked about how he had to design certain processes for people that were working on DreamWorks on projects that have this. Pixar. Pixar.

Pixar. Yeah, Pixar. They have this. Interesting. It's one of these things where certain times where I've said things, people don't believe it that I have that feeling. Yeah, I totally get that. Which is a, it's just different.

It's just different. Yeah, so I don't, I think there is something to that. Creativity, Inc. Yeah, that's the name of the book. Ed Camp Mall. Yeah. So he talks about this in his, in his book. Yeah, Ed Camdenall's.

But the guy that created Firefox that has it, there's like a bunch of these handful of creative people that have come out and said that they also have it. Well, it is interesting because you think of it as like, I mean, look, one of the things I've always said, is my creativity thrives with guardrails and limitations. Like, that to me is amazing. Like, if someone says sit down and write a song, I can do it, but it's more difficult.

But, like, I wrote a song that Heather released on one of her CDs, which I was super fun. But I did it because I went, I really love the Toadies. not creep what's the other one I can't remember but it was basically like a really dark fun rock song but it's like super dark yeah the TOTE's like main song it's not called creep I can't remember what it's called Creep is the other guy radio head

radio head yeah but the TOTES have it's like doong dong dong Pawsome Kingdom Dung do don't do I want to do it and I just love that idea that it's like these like there's something sort of creepy and so I went home and within an hour I had written a a song called I Lied, and I fucking love it,

but the only reason I was able to do that was because I said to myself, I want to go write a song like the Toadies Possum Kingdom. You know what I mean? And so for me, my creativity is always the best when I have specific requirements, and I know that other creatives feel really frustrated by those. But to me, I love it.

Like if somebody was like, you got to make a, you know, come up with an idea for a movie, but it's got to have this type of person in it it's got to be this, it's got to have a car, it's got to do this, it's got to do that. Like, that's my cup of team. So you're really good at improv then. Yeah, that's how I got into the entertainment industry.

Yeah, yeah. I fucking love improv. Also, the improv, the thing that's so great about improv is I hate rehearsing. Like, I just hate, like, the rehearsing part. So it's great because with improv, there is no rehearsing. I mean, you rehearse by doing improv.

Right, right, yeah. But the other thing, too, is it's freeing to me. because the answer is I'm not worried about anybody judging what I'm doing because I'm making this shit up so it's like

worst case scenario somebody goes that wasn't funny and I go yeah but I just made it up like what the fuck else do you want? Yeah yeah yeah

you try it you know what I mean but also there's nothing I will tell you there's no high on this planet that I've had yet that is as fucking good as being in front of a live audience

and pulling something out of your ass that makes the whole fucking place exploring and laughter oh it's heroin Honestly, like, our live donations, they've been some of my most favorite things that I've ever done in my life without a doubt. It's just so fucking cool to be able to, like, have a thought, say something and have that many people left. My highest high, without a doubt, is coming up with something that no one else has done before. That is my highest high.

Like, I have some stuff I'm working right now, and I've never seen it done before. And I'm like, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's, it just, when I can put it out there and I can see it, I'm like, wow, nobody's ever built something like this. And that, to me, is the ultimate satisfaction. Yeah. It's not even if a lot of people use it.

I don't, it's more like. Yeah, that's secondary. It just hasn't done, been done before. Yeah. I've always wanted that from my kids mainly. Like, when I think of my kids, I'm kind of like who. You mean want them to have that feeling too? Just to know that, like,

dad tried a bunch of crazy shit. Oh, I see what you're saying. You know? Like, I think that is the ultimate end game. It's not, can I get another home run, like, you know, or can I have another exit or another thing? It's like, I just want to play. It's all about play.

Have you read creativity ink? No, I need to. You should because that is right up what you're talking about. I have not. I should. I should, actually. But anyway, Affintagia, if you have this, we want to hear from you.

Oh, yeah. Dignation fans at G-mail, or no, Dignation fans at Digg.com. Dignation. Dignation. There we go. So, yeah, I have emphotation. I can't remember that. That's part of the reason I think I did so bad in school.

Because I remember people saying, like, how can you not remember the order of the alphabet? And they're like, of course, you know, what's between K? And I'm like. Oh, no, no, no, no. So this is different. You ready? Because you can see it. No, no, no, no, no.

This fucks me up. Heather sees every word she says. What? Yeah, oh no. And it gets even crazy. Do you see every word you see? Say? No. And it gets even crazier. I love you, babe. But you're fucking savant when it comes to this. When she memorizes stuff for like a play, she sees the page of the script and where she's reading the lines off of the page in her brain. Why are you acting like that's a slam on her? That's like a super... No, no, no. Well, no. I know. I know. I know. I love you, babe. But I got to tell these people, they're amazing. To me, I was like, because she was like, I see words when people are speaking. I see the words in my, like, I'm reading a transcript of what they're saying to me in real time. And I was like, dude, that is so cool, man. The brain is just so fucking right.

That's why I think the next couple, like, there is a good chance before I die. I will be able to see things like with the brain implants and everything. Oh, yeah. They might unlock all this shit. That stuff is coming in the next 10 years for 20 years. I mean, come on. Did you ever see that crazy, it was like a 60-minute? or some shit, where there's this kid

that can read two, takes his eyes and he can read fucking both sides at the same time, dude. Come on. Come on. Dude, that's crazy. How crazy is that? Oh, did you, have you heard this podcast called the something tapes?

Something tapes? No, it's called the paranormal tapes, the paranormal tapes, paranormal tapes, paranormal tapes, paranormal podcast. It's called the black tapes, Uh, no.

And that's why we drink. I love that. It's called like the... Is it about paranormal? What is it when you can read someone's mind? Oh, not telekinesis. What's the other one? It's lepathy tapes.

It's called the Lepadipathy tapes. Okay. So, dude, this is crazy. You got to see this. They did a video podcast as well. This is like blowing up right now. It's like one of the top podcasts. And so they go around and they find like all these people that claim they can do these things.

and they interview them and then they also like show video of them doing shit and dude there is this lady that can mind read and this guy he brings all these things like different cars and something like doesn't show out of time and like these people are legit

and she's just freaking just nails one after another after another it's insane our brain can do so much shit like there's the guy who got like hit by a car hit by a baseball and then all of a sudden he could play the piano like a fucking savant.

Yeah. And he's never played piano before. Like, there are shit that our brains, like the movie Lucy. Did you ever see Lucy? No. Oh, dude. Watch Lucy. It's crazy.

It's fucking, I was not Charlize thereon. It's a Scarlett Johansson and it's a Luke Passa movie and it just goes wild. But it's about unlocking the percentage of, which they say you can use a lot of your brain anyway. But it's, anyway, but it's the same thing where it's like, I bet you there's shit that we will be able to do in our brains. Once someone just figures out, oh, you can just turn this little thing and now you could have, you know, that like perfect recall. Like, you know, those people I can remember what they're doing on any given day. Yeah.

Or like the thing where, like, you can know what the date, like, oh, it was a Thursday in 18. Yeah, they asked those kids. They're like, what was it on, you know, 1875 and on February 12th, they're like, and they just know it. Temperature was 66 degrees. Yeah, yeah. You're like, what the fuck? Where's that coming from?

Dude. I am, yeah. I love it. There's a thing that unlocks the thing. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, plurbus is great. Also, it's like,

Plurbis is such a cool name. It's good name. Well, there's, you know, that's part of, there's a plurbis wine that Will makes. Yeah, from Bonn, Plurbis. Yeah, you've not had the plurbus? Bro, I didn't even know it was a thing. Dude, it's like the inkyest,

fucking great wine. It's so good. When you fucking see Will. Now that you're drinking, bring some. Well, I don't have it here. It's in a cellar thing. But I will bring some. Maybe next time.

Thankfully, it wasn't in the fire. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's good. All right. All right, next story. Waymo hits the freeways. Finally. Finally, this was submitted by Desert Ninja.

And I feel like maybe Desert Ninja is from Phoenix because this was a local Phoenix news article. But essentially, as many of you know, we are both big. Waymo fans. And ninja fans. And ninja fans. I mean, Ninja and Moe.

They're all great. But one of the things that Waymo has not been able to do, or they have chosen not to do, I should say, because I'm sure they could do it. They just hadn't yet. Was they did not go on the freeways. So like in Los Angeles, you know, we have the 405 going north-south. We have the 10 going east-west. And we have the 101 that's kind of going through the mountain pass a little bit up, you know,

east to west-ish, north-to-south-ish. and that can save a lot of time you know what I mean like coming here is a great example I took a Waymo here and it takes all surface streets yeah but it's nice though it works I like it because you have USBC chargers and you can hook up your laptop and then you can just work oh it's first of Waymo is just the best thank you Waymo

for doing all that you do by the way because it's been we took a Waymo down to oh which I should tell you but we took a Waymo down to downtown from the Groveish which is where we live I went and saw A friend of ours got us tickets I would never have sought this out but at the Amundsen

they're doing paranormal activity The Play Oh wow It was I thought you were to say the movie and I'm like Oh okay No it was Was it good?

Awesome really Holy Was it scary? Fuck yes No way Oh my God it was so creepy Maybe I should go That sounds fun

You should oh my God You totally should Because it is like Yeah take Darya Just go It is like because there's tickets are available Like it's great The sound design was good

The set is actually like A two-story apartment It's set in London It's a two-story apartment The downstairs set is like The doorway A little kick in head Oh shit this looks creepy

It looks like legit Oh dude How many people are in each like thing What do you mean? Meaning like It's about a couple Do you get to walk around on stage? No no it's a play

Oh okay because if you ever been to that thing in New York like the Forever Nights or whatever it was called. So like a paranormal activity haunted house type thing? Do you know what I'm talking about Mal? It's the thing in New York, it's like never-ending days or some shit like that. It's like this thing that you go to. It wasn't Macbeth, what was it? No, it's this thing that you go to and you're part of the actual play.

And you walk around, you have to figure out what people are doing. And it's massive. It's like the size of a Costco. Yes. And you're like running around. There's like people doing all kinds of crazy shit. Sleep no more. Oh, okay.

Yeah. It's crazy, dude. That's a fun one too. So this is like just going to watch a play, but the play is like a paranormal activity movie. Is it scary? It is fucking, it gets you, bro. I'm into this. It fucking gets you.

I don't even want to tell you some of the shit. Okay, don't tell me. And the whole audience is like, shocked, scared, nervous laughter. Oh, we took one down to go watch it. But I wanted to say, it was on the list of things I wanted to tell you because I was like, people should see parallel activity. I was like, what's this story about Waymo? Yeah, yeah, we took one there. Anyway, so currently they're rolling it out to customers that request it in Phoenix,

and then it's going to come to Los Angeles. You do have to go into the app and say that you're cool with it going on freeways. Yeah. I feel like this is the step for us, so like, and this is a little inside baseball of like Los Angeles area, but there's, there's like L.A. proper, and then there's the Valley, which is just over, like, Laurel Canyon or Colbottor Canyon and any of the canyons. Sepulveda It does not go over into the valley

And we have friends that live in the valley A lot of times we go dinners in the valley And so it really hinders our ability To take a Waymo to certain places But I think unlocking the freeways Completely unlocks the valley You know what I mean? Like being able to go up up to through Hollywood

And then get on the 101 Now you can go anywhere in the valley That to me is when I think Waymo is going to really blow up in Los Angeles, which clearly it's doing great. I mean, they're all over the place. You know what really hurts my soul? Is I get into Waymo's now, and I've noticed that people have, like, mistreated them. Yeah.

Like, they scrape up some of the, like, speaker grills, and, like, some of them have trashed them. Yeah, there's been a couple I've gotten into our room. But there's also a video of them doing that. I know, but I'm just like... They must be banned. But it's just, it really... Yeah, people suck. There's something about just people's disregard.

We have such a beautiful thing. Yeah. And they go and they just treat it like shit. I don't know what it is. Honestly, I don't know what it is. There's, there's like this, like, I don't know, just this. But then it's also like you think about all the people that, like, you know, have these, have really not healthy and happy home experiences. Yeah, I know.

I did a lot of that shit when I was younger. Right. I was just, yeah, I mean, like, in my mind, I was like, you know. Yeah, that's a good point. I fucked up a lot of stuff when I was here because I was really upset by some of the childhood trauma and shit that I've down through. So, yeah. That's fair. It's a good way to look at it.

But the good news is. waymos are doing good. I know. I just can't wait for the Waymo technology to be starting to get downsized and then put into cars. I really wish they would go freaking public because I would love to invest in Waymo. They spun it out of Google. I was going to say, is it spun out of Google? Yeah, only one investor. Only one investor. Indreason invested in it somehow. Wow. That's crazy. Yeah. It's because it's going to be the future. Oh, 100% dude. And I mean, I love, you know, that other people are trying to do it, but like Waymo. It just feels so much safer because of the

LiDAR. Oh, yeah. Because my Waymo the other day. Yeah, because Tesla doesn't use the LiDAR. Yeah, exactly. It's just camera. So my Waymo aggressively pulled out into this like, there was like this like corner that was so sharp that I'm like, you can't see around that corner. And a Tesla would have been like, I don't know.

Yeah. And the Waymo's like, radar, radar, radar. Like you can detect there's no cards coming. So I just did it. And I was like, this is amazing. Yeah, yeah. Just safer. Anyway. All right. Next story. yeah uh let's do a couple little sponcy yeah let's sponcies uh first one let's talk about getting harassed docs or stocked yeah no one wants that to happen and sadly and uh your information

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This one is actually, I wanted to get your take on it. I specifically picked it because you know this stuff and I do not. Okay. Okay. End of year. End of the year. They have the video game awards. The nominees have come out for the game awards. Okay.

I don't know if you heard of the Game Awards. It's one of the video game awards, that things. There is a handful of these that I have never, well, I've never heard of most of these. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I want to get your take. Okay. Okay. So I'm looking to pick up a new game.

Okay. And play something fun. Here are the Games of the Year nominations. Claire Obscure. Yeah, Expedition 33. 33. Yeah. It's bonkers.

Indy game came out of nowhere blew up all the steam things. I have yet to play it but it's supposedly fantastic. I've seen a bunch of videos on it. Nominy number two Death Standing 2 on the beach. Yeah, Death Standing. I never played Death Standing, the

original, uh, with what's that actor's name? So far as a video game person, you are sucking at this. There's two of the top ones. No, I know. Well, I don't like, I'm not a big single player name guy. I've heard of Tetris. I've heard of Tetris. No, but I'm just saying like, I'm not an expert. You should play these.

Okay, next. Yeah. Donkey Kong Bananza. That's amazing. Probably switched to. Have you played it? No. Oh, Jesus.

Okay. I haven't played any of these. Just as you know. I have, if it's not World of Warcraft from 2004. Hades 2, I have heard of it. Yes, definitely. Not played it. This one I've heard of.

Silksong. Hollow Night Silk Song. Yeah, Silk Song. Is it good? I haven't played it. Oh, Jesus. Sorry, I've seen Jesus a lot for the non-religious people. That's okay.

The non-religious people are like, yeah, it's just an expletive. It's just a way to be exasperated. Kingdom Come Deliverance 2. Ooh, I don't know if I know that one. Okay. Let me see. Okay, you have no advice. No, my advice is, here's my advice.

You ready? Because I know about all of these games. So my advice to you would be, what style of game do you like? Like, do you like Metroid? Where it's, okay. I was never a Metroid fan, but I got sick when it came out. Okay, well, do you like Castle? Pennsylvania. Oh, yeah, I love Castlevania.

Okay, you might like Silk Song. Okay, well, hold on. Let me tell you the most nominated game. So that was the... Game of the Year awards. So most nominated, 12 nominations is Expedition 33. Yeah. Seven nominations tied, Death Standing 2 and Ghost of Yotez. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's where you play like this, like a Japanese samurai guy. Ooh, I like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Six nominations, Aides 2. Five nominations, Silk Song, and four nominations, Split Fiction. So split fiction is great. Can you play it? If you want, I have not played it.

But, uh, but, split, have you played anything this year? Yeah, the same fucking games. I'm playing World of Warcraft with my buddy Jerry. I played, uh, I'm trying to think what else I played. You're officially a boomer, dude. I am totally a boomer. I'm literally like, I like my Tetris. I watch the blocks that mat in my brain because I don't have aplophagia.

Yeah, exactly. I could never see the blocks. That's crazy. Never saw the blocks. Didn't, never dreamed of the blocks? No. But do you dream? When you dream, do you see...

No. What? I see... I just, like, float and stuff. You've never had a dream that you woke up. Like, when I dream, I'm like in a movie. No. I'm not a movie at all.

Oh, bro. Spank, bank. Yeah, times a thousand. I've never been in... Oh, that is so, buddy. Oh, man. You guys say that. But you say that.

I do say that. oh man i'm gonna we're gonna deep dive after this offline and i'll let you know what the future is like all right tell me if there's any games i should be playing damn it okay well so the question so split fiction's great does darya play no okay so then she plays grow garden grow garden grow a garden she plays growing a garden yes it's a big game on roblox okay i have a garden too my kids have garden. So we like, we go and play garden. Got it. So you're gardening with them. But so split fiction is two players, but you're both seeing different things. Hmm. Yeah. So like if you ever see a video of like it's usually couples and it'll be like one person running up this ramp

and these like waves are coming at them. But they can't see the waves. Their partner can see the waves. Oh. But they're the one running up the ramp. So you have to be. So it's like go left, go left. Okay. You have to communicate in order to be able to help. You have to have two screens in? Yeah. Or you can do split screen. That's kind of cheating, though. Well, then you get to that old thing we were talking about back in the land party days where you get the piece of cardboard. Oh, okay. You tape it up between the two screens.

Oh, so there's some things you can see and some things you can't. This is kind of cool. And one person is doing something and the other person, and each person has to do their thing in order to succeed. It's great. The guy, guys, the company that made this made, oh, God, what's the other one? I think it was the one that was like about divorce which is super weird but it's about like the kid shrinks their parents down and they have to like go through

I can't remember what it's called anyway so split fiction not so much unless you find somebody that you want a game game with yeah okay but silk song you might you might like see that's that what everybody's saying Justin's a huge the dig CEO Justin Moselle's a huge silk song fan I never played hollow night but it was

it was huge oh did he beat it? Did he? Okay cool Cool. Oh, yeah, yeah, because it's like, it's sort of like if like a platformer meets, what's it called, Dark Souls, where it's like really hard, but there's something about satisfying of getting it through. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like those games. Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, you're up. Okay, Michael Barry of Big Short Fame is closing his hedge fund. So to me, sure, that's newsworthy, but the thing that, and this was sent in. by Deepa H. Wait, no, Deepa, Dave.

The reason why I think this is interesting is because, so Michael, Michael Barry, for those people are Burry, but I think it's pronounced Barry, for people who may not know, he was the guy who shorted the housing market in 2008. He was sort of the guy that was the canary in the coal mine that saw the housing bubble

crisis that happened in 2008. So he has, So the news is that he started in 2011, or sorry, 2013, because I think he was working at like Bear Stearns or one of those places. In 2013, he opened up his own hedge funds called Sion, and he's now shutting that down. So it's like $150 million or something like that that he was managing. And he basically sent out. Yeah, I mean, for one guy who's just kind of doing something.

Oh, it's just one person, yeah, sure. Yeah. Like, yeah, it wasn't like a team of people. It was literally just... And I say that not because I consider that not a lot of money. It's obviously a tough-down money. No, no, no. When I think about the world of hedge funds, it's not that much.

Oh, yeah, yeah. The top hedge funds are like $15 billion in your asset, you're under management. Yeah. But the thing that I find the most interesting about this is he has gone on a hedge-haging, actual hedging against AI in a big way. He has put in... He holds a crazy hedging position against Nvidia. And Palantir. And Palantir.

He put in a nine, he says a $9 million hedge against Palantir. And it would become huge news because essentially they were like, here's the guy that bet against the housing market and made fucking billions of dollars. Nobody thought he was going to be right. And now here he comes again and says, I'm betting against AI. And part of his reason of like betting against

Nvidia, which I think was really interesting is he's like, the whole reason why Nvidia is so valuable right now is because all of these big AI companies are just scooping up as much GPUs as they can. Right. From Nvidia. And what he's sort of proposing is

that only continues if AI is what they all think AI is going to be and will be this big next venture but if AI is never going to be able to sort of equalize where like the

value proposition of like the day to day user is worth so much money that they're willing to pay for the energy and pay for the you know the bandwidth and all this and all this stuff

that then everybody stops buying in video cards right like if all of a sudden meta and fucking XAI and, you know, Open AI all go, hey, we don't see a path to profitability here,

so we're going to just slow down expansion. You know what I mean? Yeah, but they've been saying... All of a sudden, Nvidia's going to not be selling that many chips. You know what I mean? Yeah, I hear you, but also... No, no, no, it's not me.

I don't... I don't know the dog in the fight, but I'm just saying that's what Michael Berry is now saying, which is why he's right on that. Interesting. You got Peter Thiel did pull that. Right, Peter Thiel did pull him.

Yeah, I hear that. And don't get me wrong when the Nvidia's like, their market cap is just insane. So I certainly believe that the market is clearly priced at stock and everything is priced in in terms of future growth. And it's just insane. We never seen a company this big before. Like it's crazy. But that said, I hear from the inside that there's two things that are happening.

One, the failure rates of these GPU cards are actually pre-substantial. Oh. And so there is a natural attrition. and kind of upgrade cycle that you're going to have to do ongoing with these GPUs. And then lastly, imagine that inference is one thing and training

is one thing. Training is obviously training the models and inference is how quickly can you deliver the actual content to the end user. You know, from that large corpus, that large dataset. Yeah. And if AI usage is, we're just hitting, like, these things are snowballs. Like, you remember when like, you know, Square came out

and everyone could swipe a credit card with like just a little reader. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's so funny, Everyone was like, oh, you know, they penetrate the market. They'll only be this big. And then you don't understand that when everybody has to have one of these, and like commerce becomes the thing that anyone from a juice fender on the corner or an actual coffee shop could have one, it's so much bigger than you think. Yeah.

And there are still so many people that have never used AI before. Yeah. We're in the very early innings of all of this, right? Yeah. And so if we still have it, we don't have the perfect model. These things still hallucinate. They still have problems. The data's not great.

Like we got another 10, 20 years. And that's even if LOMs are a thing. Like the largest, like the inventor of the LMs very early on, he just came out today, I think, actually, and just talked about he's leaving meta. Sorry, I just. You know, it's your first wine. First by wine. So he's leaving and he's going to create his own AI new startup. up and he's raising a shit ton of money.

That's not surprising. But he was the guy that kind of popularized this idea of an LLM. And the funny thing about it is he's saying LM's the wrong direction. He doesn't think it's going to actually get us to AGI. And so what is the other way? That's the whole thing. He's working on that. But the thing that I guess I don't foresee in the next handful of years anyone taking their foot

off the gas. Yeah, I get that. Because it's still such early innings. Yeah. No, I think you're right. And I think that's the mistake of sort of betting against AI because it also feels like the internet where like you don't know exactly how the internet is going to be utilized in the way that you're going to be utilizing it in the future, if that makes sense. You know what I mean? Like, there's always that thing of like, oh, so the internet, so I can just like send

emails. It's like, yeah, but there's a lot of other stuff you're going to be able to do. And people weren't like, oh, you'll be able to pull your phone out of your pocket while sitting in the other room and change the temperature of your thermostat. Right. That's using the fucking internet. Right. But like that idea, that use case wasn't even in the forefront of people saying like, it's

going to change the way that people talk. Yeah. It's like, okay, that's cool. But, like, I can fucking open my garage door right now from using the internet. You know what I mean? Well, the internet is going to be compressed into something that is not special. But what I'm saying is the AI right now we just think of as doing this one thing, which is like regurgitating information, maybe giving us a gleaning and, you know,

thinking for us kind of a thing, as I would say. But what AI is going to do for your day-to-day life, I don't think we have any concept. We have no idea. That's a great point. Because, like, if you think about when we first started getting the internet, like, call it the late 90s, right? We were using dial-up modems. We were getting on an AOL. And it was like, oh, I can send an email.

Oh, I can actually text with someone. Oh, I-CQ all these different chat apps, you know, AOL, all that stuff. And we had no idea we were going to be walking around what is now considered a supercomputer in your pocket. Oh, 1,000%. Right. And so called the next 20 years of this is the AI years. Yeah. And after that'll be quantum or quantum will probably start the next 10 years or so.

But we have yet to turn over all the cards. We have so much time to go. And the internet will just be seen as in the future, it already kind of is. It's just going to be like electricity. Yeah. It is just like the conduit in which we do all of our everything. Yeah. It's not really that special anymore.

No. And AI is the new special thing. And then eventually it'll be quantum. So it's or something else completely that AI invents. Well, I also think that like the thing that's going to be really interesting. And we're seeing, I think, the growing pains of it. But I think the thing that's going to be the most interesting is when electricity becomes near free.

Yeah. Because it's going to happen. A hundred percent going to be really interesting. It's going to happen. I mean, I'm close. In our lifetime for sure. Yeah, because like 15 years ago plus, 20 years ago, I bought solar panels from my house.

That is, if I switched out those solar panels, there is no way I would not be net zero in my whole house. Everything could be taken care of with my house. I'm like 75% of the electricity I use comes from the sun on my day to day. But you've seen some of the new like fusion stuff, like cold fusion stuff. Bro, that's the other thing. Once we do, I mean, there's so much shit that like once we unlock and we're like off fossil fuels for electricity, then it also becomes, okay, so electricity is free. The internet is more like your telephone line.

It's not a technology. It just kind of is a thing that exists in your house that you use. for all these other things. But again, you don't think of it as like this thing. It's just part of your, like electricity. Like we don't ever be like, oh, wow, electricity, even though it is like a moment like that. But I bet you a hundred years ago,

they would have been like, bro, they would have been like the internet. A hundred years ago, people didn't even want electric light bulbs in their house because it was too fucking bright. Yeah. They were like, get that fucking devil shit out of there. They're not wrong. Yeah, but then you got the hugh lights, bro. Just turn them down.

Turn on your fucking Spotify Christmas list. get some weird 100 year old You're gonna love my bro I'm excited Everything you said about eggnog Sherry what was that? What was it? Cognac

Cognac yeah fucking eggnog, cognac rain, fire Christmas I'm fucking excited man I'm getting Christmas lights up You're doing the thing?

Yeah I'm like a week Oh my God that's so great It's gonna be crazy We totally fuck We forgot I put up all new Govi lights in our backyard So we have all these new LED govi lights never changed the color of them during Halloween.

Oh. I just totally didn't realize. I forgot that. I was like, oh, right. I have, like, floodlights against our garage. I have this, like, tree light. So I'm going to do that. I'm going to say that.

Well, let's, uh, oh, I lost my thing. Okay, are you up? Yeah, you're up. No, I'm up. You're up. Okay. Are we done? We got one more story.

Two more stories? How are we doing time? What do we do? How are we got? All right, let's do one more story. Yes, do one more story. Prometheus. Oh.

Jeff Bezos will lead a new... Is bringing fire from the gas. He's leading a new AI startup called Prometheus. So he left Amazon. Was he at Amazon still? Wasn't there a new CEO? Yeah, new CEO. So he's left Amazon a while ago.

And so this is his first operational role since Amazon. Wow. He's co-founder of Blue Origin, obviously, the Waka Company. He wants to start a new AI startup that is going to be focused on engineering and space technology with real-world kind of like physical applications, like in real life. Okay. And he needed a little seed funding. How much do you think he raised?

Why would he raise money? He's like the richest guy. He didn't a little bit funny. You need a little bit of fun if you're a startup. How much do you raise is how much can raise? I mean, if Bezos is going around to his friends and being like, do you want to put a little into my next thing? 100 million bucks.

6.2 billion. No. What? Yes. Yeah. He raised $6.2 billion for his new startup? Yeah. Holy fuck.

Can you imagine? I love that says some from himself. Look what Elon tweeted. Ha ha, no way. Copycat. Oh, copycat. Oh, my God. That's amazing.

I love the top comment on the story. Do you see that? No, what they say. Can we stop naming shit after sci-fi content that specifically was developed to warn us against the shit? Ha, ha, ha. That's a great point. So what is his startup going to be about?

He won't say, but it is going to be, I think it's a lot of robotics because he's talking about like in real life training data versus like kind of, he's not making another grok or LLM type thing. Got it, got it, got it. It's going to be more robotics. And he's specifically around manufacturing. So I'm sure some of this stuff will eventually play into Amazon. And truly, Amazon's going to like lay off a bunch of people.

They got these new way more efficient warehouses now where they can do everything is automated. I mean, it's the same thing with the Industrial Revolution and then the advent of... I mean, this is literally the stuff from the 80s, right? Like, do you remember Gung Ho, one of my favorite 80s movies of all time? I haven't seen it. It was all about the Japanese coming to take over the Detroit thing to put in efficiencies and layoff workers. And then manufacturing robots came in and they downsized.

Their physical production of things is, I think, the first layer. layer of AI controlled robotics to take over. But it already is. Like if you go to China, it's already happened. No, no, no, no, exactly. But it's just like this is like the last, you know, the last straw. I mean, look, at the end of the day, like, didn't Waymo? Waymo just made a deal with DoorDash.

Oh, do they? Yeah. So that I don't know exactly how that's going to work. Maybe it'll just be that like a Waymo car pulls up. That's kind of awesome. Dude, I already have that little robot, the like little guy from Uber Eats that will bring a pizza door house. Oh, dude, this is amazing. Yeah, it's not cool. So you just walk outside and get it out of your Waymo.

Yeah. They just put it in the front seat. The Waymo comes over. That is fantastic. Because at the end of the day, it's like, why do I need a guy to hand it to me? If the car is autonomous, you know what I mean? Yeah. Because they don't. I always walk outside because I, because they're always going to the wrong fucking house. I never wait. Well, you also have a gate and stuff around your house. Yeah, but like, I never wait until they ring the door. But it also might be like, because I have a dog and I know that when the doorbell gets wrong she's like, bark, bark, bark. And so I'm like, oh, just make it easy

for her. That's fair. You know what I mean? But like, think about it. Like, you know, Waymo pulls up and it's like, your pizza's in there. That's pretty cool. Also, it's great because the times that I'm mad at fucking delivery stuff, it's the driver. You know what I mean? Like, there were times when, like, the driver pick, there was a time just recently.

Driver was like, they're on their way to the, to the restaurants pick up your order. So that means the restaurant has made my order, right? And I see this fucking driver on the 101 going all the way up into the valley all the way over to the fucking 405 and I'm like you are nowhere near

I love I'd love just imagining you look at your phone and just be like where's he going oh 100% that is literally what I was doing I was sitting I was sitting watching TV probably drinking and waiting for like Thai food I think it was Thai food and I would just periodically look down because I was like God it's been like 20 minutes and I would look and the car was like and I was like the fuck are you doing in

Share my notes. Is that a hair on your hand? I don't know. It shouldn't grow from this side. No, I'm afraid. Oh, I think it was just a shadow. Okay. You had a hair growing up his palm.

I know, but I think it's just a wrinkle and a shadow. That's creepy. I don't like getting it. All right, so weird. All right, on that note, on that lovely note, guys, thank you so much for watching this episode of Dignation. We had such a blast, Kevin. Yes. Welcome back to the mascot.

Yeah, it is great to be back. and it was a great way to break into some wine. Oh, I love it. No, no better choice. Oh, because you had red wine? No, not red wine. I was saving it for this special occasion. Well, there you go.

Yeah. Maybe next time we'll have some of the... Flurbus? Flurbus. Let's do it. I love it. Thanks, everyone. Thanks, everybody for watching.

We will see you next week. I'm Alex Albrecht. Not next week. And I'm Kevin Rose. We'll see you in a couple weeks. Bye. Bye.