Diggnation (rebooted) - Naked Bowling, Grok’s Delusions, and the Great American Party Deficit | E017 | Diggnation

Episode Date: July 16, 2025

Kevin’s 82 days sober. Alex has a new audio toy. And Grok AI thinks “Hitler” is still trending (yikes). This week on Diggnation, we unpack Bitcoin conspiracies, Commodore nostalgia, and why Americans have forgotten how to party. Also: Nanoblocks, nude bowling, and a startup so weird Google only bought the humans. It’s retro futurism, digital privacy, and a kitchen remodel.Merch store is open! swag.digg.com⏱️ Timestamps:00:00 Intro and Welcome  01:13 Justin, CEO of Digg.com Joins  03:04 Kevin's Sobriety Update and "Hooch" Mention  04:08 Kevin's Nanoblocks Hobby  08:10 Alex's Kitchen Remodel and Wine Cellar  11:32 Lossless Audio Streaming with Wiim Ultra  16:53 Digg.com Merchandise & Dark Mode Launch  19:28 Digg.com Desktop Beta & Community Feedback  23:56 Bitcoin Hits All-Time High  25:15 Satoshi Wallet Movement & China Conspiracy  31:58 Bitcoin Holding Strategy & Dollar-Cost Averaging  39:49 Commodore 64 Relaunch & Retro Futurism  41:44 First Computer Memories  46:59 Childhood Pranks & 900 Numbers  50:54 Reviving Old Tech Companies (Claude AI Ideas)  52:41 Grok AI Controversy: Returns "Hitler"  57:38 AI, Misinformation, and Source Truth  1:01:04 Re-testing Grok: "Universe Seeker of Truth"  1:03:59 Why AI Defaults to "Bad" / Human Entitlement  1:14:49 Americans Don't Party Enough & "Netflix and Chill"  1:19:11 Call to Action: Throw More Parties  1:27:05 Windsurf Acquisition by Google & Cognition  1:30:37 The Value of Individual AI Talent & Non-Competes  1:32:55 Nude Bowling & Nudism Discussion  Polycade Marquee – Want to see your custom Polycade marquee featured on the show? Submit a still image or short video (MP4, 1920x360 resolution, 30fps).Public Diggnation Assets: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1k7ZxENxqQl0TLqGwusbsRPS3wkY5PFk0?usp=drive_linkSponsors:ZBiotics – Pre-alcohol probiotic engineered by real scientists: https://zbiotics.com/diggMonarch Money – Get 50% Off Monarch Money, the all-in-one financial tool at www.monarchmoney.com/DIGGLMNT – Zero-sugar electrolyte mix for healthy hydration. Get a free 8-count Sample Pack with any purchase.  https://drinklmnt.com/diggDeleteMe – Privacy protection that removes your personal info from hundreds of data brokers. Get 20% off with code DIGG at checkout.  https://joindeleteme.com/DIGGWix – Build your own website fast with AI tools or over 2,000 customizable templates.  https://bit.ly/4kHb2rd📰 Top Stories:  • Bitcoin hits $122K, Satoshi wallet stirs conspiracy: www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-07-14/bitcoin-hits-record-high-of-120-000-as-bullish-momentum-builds  • Commodore 64 relaunches with retro flair: www.commodore.net  • Grok AI slammed for “Hitler” surname bug: x.com/goodside/status/1944266538191622624  • Americans party 50% less since 2003: reason.com/2025/07/11/americans-dont-party-enough-heres-how-to-change-that  • Google buys Windsurf team, not company (no link)  • Nude bowling event goes “Balls Out” in PA: www.pennlive.com/news/2025/07/want-to-bowl-in-the-nude-in-pennsylvania-theres-an-event-coming-up-just-for-you.html👤 People Mentioned:/Alex Albrecht – Host of Diggnation  /Kevin Rose – Host of Diggnation  Justin – CEO of Digg Will Harlan – Provided wine for the show  Johnny – Opened "Curated" wine shop on La Brea  Allison – Alex’s G4 friend, works at Curated  Elon Musk – Associated with Grok AI and Tesla integration  Satoshi – Creator of Bitcoin, linked to wallet movement  Ron Burgundy – Referenced during nude bowling chat  Lt. Joe Cable – Musical role Alex played in college  Cory Feldman & Cory Haim – Mentioned in voicemail ad reference  Jesus – Referenced during AI religion discussion  Joseph Smith – Referenced in AI conversation  Dan Trachtenberg – Director of *Prey*, TRS alum  Zuck (Mark Zuckerberg) – Mentioned in AI talent acquisition  /Mau (Mauricio Balvanera) – Producer of Diggnation and Director of Audio & Media Experiences at Digg  🛍️ Products Mentioned:Bitcoin – Cryptocurrency hitting all-time high  Commodore 64 – Classic computer relaunch  Grok AI – AI chatbot model with QA issues  Windsurf – Coding IDE acquired for talent  Claude – AI model referenced in comparison  OpenAI – AI company mentioned in QA contrast  Perplexity – AI search/chat tool  Gemini – Google’s AI model  Tesla – Car company potentially integrating Grok  Wiim Ultra – Lossless streaming audio device  Apple 2e – Alex’s first computer  IBM PS/1 – Kevin’s first computer  Microsoft Flight Simulator  Rock Band – Game Kevin played with friends  Polycade – Retro arcade gaming cabinet  Nanoblocks – Kevin’s mini block-building hobby  Duplo / Mega Blocks – Referenced humorously  Sonos – Audio system in Alex's home  Tailwind – CSS framework for dark mode  MLS records – Real estate data discussed  Netflix – Referenced in “Netflix and chill” bit  Google – Acquired Windsurf’s team  Cognition – Bought Windsurf’s remaining IP  

Coming up on the show Americans don't party enough and you can't make this up Alex thinks I'm a Chinese spy rock thinks it's Hitler also naked booklet Also potentially hazardous to your health Why do you have flies in your freaking house? I noticed this earlier. It's Southern California and I have fruit. You put zombie and you put eerie's Southern California and I hit fruit. You put zombie and you put ear in the title and I don't want to do it. Dignation.com.

Hello friends and family. Welcome to Dignation episode number 17. I'm Kevin Rose. And I'm Alex Albrecht. Dignation covers some of the hottest user submitted stories on the social news website. Dignation.com. D-I-G-Double G dot com.

Beta dot dig dot com. Beta dot dig dot com. It'sdig.com. Beta.dig.com. It's all happening, it's all happening. I'm actually very excited because... You have wine? I have wine and Kevin does not. He was smelling it before, which is great, but... Tell him what I almost did.

He almost chugged it accidentally. He was just, he was enjoying his breathe. As I was going back. As he was tippin' it, and I was like, he was enjoying his breathe as I was going back. As he was tippin' it. And I was like, he's about to drink this bottle of what? I almost snorted the whole bottle of wine. That would've been amazing. But we are super excited because a couple episodes ago,

we had Zbiotic on as a sponsor, and I had a pre-alcohol shot. How'd that work? Before I had, before we started the show. And I will tell you, it worked like a charm. I woke up I Mean you look with snippety-bippity as they say and nobody says that so I'm gonna do this again And of course we decided hey, we're here. What if we bring? Justin the CEO of dig.com in to do one as well because he is also joining us for drinking. So sir

Cheers to the best free alcohol probiotic ever created, well, let me drink it. Here we go, tossing it down. I mean, it's not like it's that hard. You guys act like this is, it actually tastes fine. It tastes great. It's amazing.

It actually tastes like lemon water. I actually swished it around in my mouth ahead of time just to let it kind of soak the inside before I took it down. Yeah. So. It's like a soap. I mean, people don't know you can just gather a little Zbiotic soap prior to drinking.

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Yeah, thank you to Will. Oh my god, because he's hooked up a lot of our viewers already and if you do want to get on the, what is it, fans at? Dignation at dig.com. Dignation at dig.com if you want to get on the allocation for this lovely hooch. Cheers, Justin.

Hey, cheers to you. And cheers, Kevin, wherever your giant I'm my Cretan friend. Comic-ly bottled. I actually have Element today. Oh great, alright, we'll be talking about that in a little bit. Are these sponsors? Yeah they are. I love Element. Alright, had some this morning at after and during the gym. Bam, boo yah. Kevin, how are you my friend? I'm doing well. It has been a long

time. Yeah, it's been a long time. That ought to mean three weeks. Three weeks has gone by. I have been sober. I have been working on Nano Blocks, which are small little Legos. So, okay, because I saw some of this stuff on your Insta and I was like, he's just doing Legos. Why does he keep calling them Nano Blocks? Just say, I'm making Legos.

That is fun. If you shoot it on video, it appears as though, and I'll give you some footage for this, because when you look at them on video, you're like, oh, that is fun. If you shoot it on video, it appears as though, and I'll give you some footage for this, because when you look at them on video, you're like, oh, that's Lego. Yeah, that's what I thought. Because it looks like Lego. But if you put like a quarter or some type of object

next to it that you would know the relative size of it, you realize they're actually like one, I don't know, one sixth the size of an actual Lego. So like one of those little square things is like almost imperceptible. Sixth the size of an actual Lego. There's super tiny. So like one of those little square things is like almost imperceptible. It is literally like a pinhead for a little square thing. Like it's like.

How do you, do you have to wear like goggles? You could. You don't? No. Damn your eyesight. I still have good eyesight. But I did get the tweezers and the little set. Cause you have to like assemble them and you're like this.

I was thinking about doing a little live stream show Yeah, like a symbol like because they in they're all Japanese seems they have a Godzilla that I found on Amazon This Godzilla right here I'm gonna share out. So it's like so it's nine inches nine point six inches tall. Okay, so okay big I mean, that's like a Lego. I mean, yeah, but look at this. So that thing has 3650 pieces. Oh, gotcha. Look at that little guy. And so, see each of those little points is like,

it's the size of like a pinhead basically, it's really tiny. How do you? And the instructions are horrible, they're all in Japanese mostly. Oh no! No, no, no, no, no, no. You're not making a great pitch.

No, you're making this sound amazing. That's why it's so awesome. It's a swallow hazard. No, once you get, you can, it's toxic plastic. It's a swallow hazard. No, actually what happens is the instructions are really difficult, but kind of once you figure them out, and I'm not even joking. Once you figure out how they're trying to instruct you, then you get it from every step forward. So it took me about a half hour to be like, where are they saying I place this?

And then you're like, oh, they're doing it. And then you're like, oh, they're doing it. And then you're like, oh, they're doing it. And then you're like, oh, they're doing it. And then you're like, oh, they're doing it. And then you're like, oh, they're doing it. And then you're like, oh, they're doing it. And then you're like, oh, they're doing it.

And then you're like, oh, they're doing it. And then you're like, oh, they're doing it. And then you're like, oh, they're doing it. And then you're like, oh, they're doing it. And then you're like, oh, they're doing it. And then you're like, oh, they're doing it. And then you're like, oh, they're doing it. And then you're like, oh, they're doing it. And then you're like, oh, they're trying to instruct you, then you get it from every step forward. So it took me about a half hour to be like, where are they saying I place this? And then you're like, oh, they're doing it.

And then, oh, they're assuming that I was not dumb and automatically placed the other blocks without telling me to do it. Cause it's for advanced users. No, no, I like it because every time I'm doing Legos, I'm always like, I like this, but I wish they made this a puzzle. Yeah, that's what it is.

I don't though. With Legos, it's like, it's like take the big red piece, put it on the yellow piece. And it's like, Yeah, I feel like I'm just making a barbecue. You know what I mean? Like, great.

It's like, I can screw that. Yeah, exactly. So this is hard. Oh. Yeah, so we're in, it's horrible physically, cause sometimes if we put it in the gutter, it's like, oh fuck. And like 10 pieces go in different directions.

Oh boy. I mean, you are really selling it. It's cool. It's cool. You know, it's so bad, it's good, if that makes sense. So when you're sober, you don't have a lot to do. And so you basically have to find something fun like this. Your fine motor skills are just outstanding at the moment.

They're insane. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I am like, and I do mega blocks while drunk and it's just one of the. I can't hear it out like I can't see. Your mega block is like. The bathroom door won't open. Why is this not opening?

Why is this locked by a mega block? I gotta drop a mega block. We're gonna do like a comparison where Kevin does a nano blocks next to Alex doing a duplo set. Yeah, exactly. And see who gets it done faster I'll be like click done. I need to use bathroom door

Yeah, oh god. I love it. Okay. Well, I'm excited that you're into the nano block I might do a little live show with you. I think that's super fun. Dude. Yeah, intro me to I'll come over Okay, do a little mega block Nano blog I'll come over and you can show me how to do a mega block. That'd be fun, that'd be fun. I mean, a nano block. A mega block. You should invent mega, hey, if anyone wants to make a nano block company, let us know. I mean, isn't there a nano block company called Nano Block?

I would like to buy them, because they're based in Japan, and they don't really get the US market. And I'm like, why aren't they, because the instructions are like, hard to read. I'm like, they haven't done like a NASCAR? No, but they've done a lot of Japanese shit, which is cool.

I got a little ramen the other day. I'm making a little tiny ramen. That's amazing. You're eating yourself. I was just about to say, you really are stretching for things. Yeah, exactly. So good news to everybody who gives a shit, including just basically just me.

My kitchen remodel is finally finished. Finally, we can stop talking about this. It is done. Did you restock your Jack Daniels? It's glorious. Oh, that flowed all the way through the process. How could I have gotten through it without my Jack Daniels? Although, speaking of good wine,

I had, we had this big wine fridge we've had for years and years and years. It broke. So they moved it to the garage. And I was like, oh, this is great, because then it'll be out of the house, it's in the garage, because it was in the old kitchen. Right.

And we were going to New York in February, February? February. February. Anyway, I walk into the garage. I don't think any of those were ripe, I don't think. To get ready to leave. And I look and the wine fridge says 71 degrees. Ah.

And I go, oh no. Fuck yeah I am. Is LA heat with that wine? And I was leaving for New York for five days. Right, right no, fuck yeah I am. And I was leaving for New York for five days. So thankfully I had built that garage, I'd sort of like semi-finished it for the Totally Rad Show. So it had AC built into the wall. So I just turned the AC on and left for five days.

Came back, 62 degrees in the wine fridge. Hey man, I'll take it. But then I was like, I gotta move this into the house. So I move it in the house, we take all the wine out, put it into the house, I lower the AC of the entire house. This was not ideal. And then I turned my whole house into a wine cellar. We put it in the guest bedroom, which is the coldest, darkest room in the house. And then I turned it back on and it never came back. It basically was just broken from then on out.

And then I had to move it into the house. And then I had to move it into the house. And then I turned it back on and it never came back. It basically was just broken from then on out. So I got a wine cellar for the garage. It's got like- Which one did you go with? It was Costco. Oh really?

Yeah, yeah. It's a 300 bottle. They're really not that expensive anymore. They used to be really expensive. They're not cheap. I think it was like two grand. But if you think about it. Oh really?

So you went with like a legit one. Yeah, if you go Costco, garage, fridge. So you didn't look at the wine enthusiasts because they have some good stuff on there. It is a wine enthusiast. It's just the garage one so it has a solid door. It's this one. Oh, well that's not bad.

Yeah. Well that's a big full house, it's like a server rack. Yeah, yeah, it's big. Yeah, that's awesome. But again, it's for just the stuff that we have. We have like wine that we got like five years ago that I'm like, I'm never gonna open this wine. And then it's a little bit like,

I should just be drinking this wine. Anyway, all of that to say, backing it up, the kitchen remodel has completely changed the house. In terms of what? My folks, the whole, I do have pictures. I do have pictures. Well here, let me show you. I only have them on my phone. We've come a long way from Edward's 40 hands.

Yeah, I know. To watching the fridge videos. We used to talk about Edward's 40 hands, and now it's like, you should check out my kitchen. The tile's so pretty. I know, the tile's really great. All right, here. Is it chip yet?

There's one chip, but don't, let's not talk about it. So this is the new layout of the, but look. Oh, that's nice. It's starting to peak. The little island. Boom. Oh yeah, so much better. That was a fucking wall. Yeah, let's not talk about it. So this is the new layout of the, but look. It's starting to peak. Oh, a little island. Boom. Oh yeah, so much better. That was a fucking wall. Yeah, that's great.

And then that's into the theater room, and then, yeah. We can't see. I know, I know. We're gonna give it to you, and you can lay him in. He's gonna want to edit. Don't make me edit. He's gonna want to edit. It's laying, it's just a laying,

because I don't have them on my computer. Anyway, but my folks came and spent the night, or spent a couple nights and it was just like, just so open and different. Like you can be in the kitchen and you're still part of the conversation that's going on in the living room. Yeah, it's awesome. And by the way, the unified play amps. Oh, the good and really just airplay from your phone. So nice, dude. So I just got a new, an amp as well. It's not really an amp, so let me just show it

to you real quick. Let's see here. God, that's good hooch. I hate to say it. It's just so good. I logged in with Daria's account, no. Oh God, don't look at what she's bought. She likes to lose YouTube, no, no browser.

Okay, I'm not gonna be able to show you. But anyway, I can give you the picture afterwards, Matt. Okay. Let's look at it in. What is it I can give you the picture afterwards now Okay, that's it. Can edit it in what is it? What is it call basically the thing that I wanted to do is I wanted to get a streaming device that would do So when anytime you send Bluetooth to your phone or to your your stereo, okay? It's always gonna compress it in some capacity So you see there's like five different codecs that are out there for sending audio over Bluetooth to a stereo.

And is that the same with like AirPlay 2? Yes, so they're all lossy. So they're all not lossy. So if you want really awesome, like high fidelity, basically audio, you have to find one that essentially it doesn't stream it from your phone, but it actually ties into the internet directly and downloads the files directly from a streaming

provider that's lossless. So check this out. So this is the Wim Ultimate Music Streamer. It's expensive, it's 300 bucks, but you can connect in with pretty much all the services that are out there like Amazon Music. Now Amazon Music. Now Amazon Music, you may say, like, why, but they do lossless stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, you can do Spotify, you can do all of Title lossless. And then you go in the back of this, they have full on, like, anything out that you want. So you can do, you know, standard kind of phone out, you can do infrared out, you can do HDMI out. So all of the different outputs into a stereo. So if you really want high fidelity lossless going into your stereo, and it comes with an app.

So on your phone, you have the app, and you hit play on a song, now rather than stream it from your phone to this deck, the deck just touches it from the internet in complete lossless format. Do they have one that's not a preamp? This is, yes they do. Because that would be perfect,

because there's physical inputs on the back of the, of the, the Unifi Play amps. Right. So I could get one of those and then use the app to set the music and then the amps are playing what's coming out of the... This is an amp. No, I know, but I'm saying I have an amp. Right, so I just go straight in my amp from here.

But it is also an amp, right? Because it's got speaker jacks. Yeah, but it's, yes, but you can just go in like whatever you want, infrared or anything you want from here. I don't think it has an amp. Are you sure it has an amp? I mean it said preamp and it's got speaker outputs. Then it's a preamp.

So it's not an amp, it's a preamp. I think we're mixing up terms of preamp and amp. Most people have active speakers these days so it doesn't need an amp. Right, they're powered speakers. But I think we're all probably speaking. So basically what I'm thinking is can I get that and then plug that into my play amps in this thing

and then instead of airplaying to the play amps, I would use this app to then, and it would do the fancy thing that you're talking about with the little la la la la. With a preamp, technically it's before the amp because it's pre. Oh so that actually might be even better. Like a churn table, when you hook up a turntable

And it's called that because it goes around your system You need a preamp right or microphones to anything that has like a low level signal You need to pre amplify it before it gets to your yeah. Yeah, so you're good. Can you tell the difference? No? Let's be clear I can tell yeah, I can't yeah, that's right. That's a waste I added a preamp to my like vinyl setup, and I was like Let's be clear, I can't tell. Yeah, I can't. Yeah, that's right. It's a waste of time. I added a preamp to my vinyl setup and I was like, it kind of sounds like a vinyl. I will say the amp I have for my vinyl setup, I can tell the difference. Well, sure.

Yeah, yeah. But it's a tube amp. So it's got a bunch of tubes and it certainly warms it up. Just gives it a kind of like a nice little soft velvety little whine. Well, because one of the things I'm realizing is that periodically, if you don't do the order of operations right, it'll start to lose the active connection. I know what you're saying.

You're thinking you're going to amplify it, then send it into another amp to amplify it again, and you have some like, yeah, it's weird. But what I'm thinking now is that it's more about not streaming over Bluetooth, because this would be physically connected to the Play amps, right? So that might be we're gonna have some audio files in the comments. Yeah. Hey, let us know please explain I have I have two unified play amps sitting on top of each other powering our kit my kitchen and the living room

will a whim Wi am what's it called? They Ultra when I am ultra will a whim ultra be good. I mean you can literally And find out hey, I'm gonna ask the audience GPT this GPT. Yeah, awesome. Dignation fan GPT. Anyway, it's an awesome device I'm loving it. I love it. Uh cool, so the kitchen's done very excited do I have not we've not heard from the... I lost it, I lost it.

But I will say, if you guys are interested in Schwag, we have finally launched schwag.dig.com. Is that really the URL? Yeah, schwag, baby. Schwag.dig.com. Three Gs. Fantastic. One in Schwag, and one, actually, itag.dig.com. Three Gs. Fantastic. One in Schwag and one,

actually it should have been Schwag with two Gs. We should get the URL. You can do that. And locate it. Really? Yeah. Oh, I gotta do it, do it, do it. Two Gs, boom, there it is.

Oh, so smart people, so smart. So yeah, so if you want any Dig Swag or Dig Nation Swag, feel free to head over there. I don't think, do we put the bobbleheads up or are those like limited for live shows? No, you know what? We'll call them limited for live shows. Did you hear about the dark mode?

Oh yes. It's all that now. Oh my god. So we had all these users that were complaining about we hadn't implemented dark mode yet. No, no, suggesting. And suggesting. Suggesting.

Which is fair, because everyone loves a good dark mode, especially when you're browsing at night. Certainly I hate light mode. But what we do is we give them free sunglasses. That's so great. It's awesome. It says dig on the side of a dark mode on the side. Jesus, that's so great.

So those were sold out. How many did you get made? How many were made now? We had almost 200 made. So 200 made. Wow. 200 sold out in a day. Yeah.

Limited edition Schwag is the place. It was within a couple of minutes too, because it was like we came out with dark mode for the mobile apps. And the moment you clicked the switcher to go into dark mode, it launched the shop from there for you to claim a pair of those sunglasses. Oh, that's so smart.

It was kind of amazing. Cause they were like, well, I hate you guys. Cause they were like, well, you get free glasses. Well, that was the running joke at first. Before we thought we could get Dark Mode out as aggressively as we did, props to the dev team. We were like, for a little bit, we should just get some sunglasses and be like, hey,

you want some Dark Mode? Just put these on. And that was the running joke. But it just so turns out that our devs are so damn good that they just got it done. And now we had it at the same time. So we're like, ah, may as well just put it out there. It just goes to show you how fast we're running right now.

Because in theory, anybody that's listening as a developer is like, oh, they should just use Tailwind and made dark mode by default and it wouldn't just work. Yes, and we did, but we were just like, there's so many things that are all trying to come together at the same time. It's just like, you know, you have to, every once in a while we just like,

we'll forget something and that's- Well, it was also just, you know, being a little picky about like when we set up that whole system, it has to feel right. And so it's like, there's the automated process of just being able to flip between the two. There's a lot of QA that goes into it of just making sure, is this working in every context?

Is this working in every interaction that we have. And so like making sure that it actually feels good is a big part of it. Yeah. Yeah. And you guys just launched the desktop beta, right? We just got the desktop. Yeah. Yeah.

We're just big. Beta.dig.com, right? That's what it is, beta.dig.com. It is closed beta at this point. So you would only be in it if you're a ground breaker right now. But yeah, it's out there right now for the whole world to see, which is very exciting.

Some extra pixels in there, some real estate outside of just the mobile apps. And it's been great, because now we've moved completely off the circle. We're like, all the feedback, all the conversations, put it in DIG, which is amazing. It's been great. And we're gonna use some of the,

I mean, all the stories that, or most amazing. And we're gonna use some of the, I mean all the stories that, or most of the stories we're gonna pull today are from dig.com and I will be showing you some of the links from, that I did, because I did all my research today, last couple days on the DIG beta. So, super fun, looks super cool. It's really cool to see it getting there.

You guys have done a killer job and it's all coming together. It is, it's a work in progress. It looks super cool. It's really cool to see it getting there. You guys have done a killer job and it's all coming together. It's a work in progress. It is. There are words that you and I see that Justin and I talk about where we're like, oh, we got to like, like that dig button, we got to fix some of that stuff there. We're going to work on it. That's good.

It is good. It's good because you don't want to be. It's always easier to rewrite than write, man. It's always easier to rewrite than write. Well to be fair, for anybody who used the iOS app, like day one to like now, it's like night and day. Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. The pace and the level of improvements,

like how different it feels, how much snappier it is, like honestly, just the little design details in there. And so, you know, desktop we knew was gonna be very similar. Like it's like, we're gonna bring people over, it's gonna continue to change. And so what we have just tried to do is just keep a very open dialogue with the community about here's what you can expect.

Here are the changes that have come through. We finally got dark mode into the apps. But then we were like, and everybody was so excited because they were like, finally, I can stop seeing requests for dark mode. It was like, well, in a week, you're going to see it again. Because we did not launch a dark mode on desktop because there's still some things to iron out

Make sure it's working, you know as consistently as we need it to but like it's iterative It really isn't everybody who's in it right now You guys are bumping around in a beta and that's what's really exciting about is doing it with the community I gotta say it is such a trip to be sitting there and Loading up something and then you see like when we launched dark dark boat It was like stories with like hundreds of comments and like a thousand digs or something. It was like, wow.

People are here. It's happening again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's just a trip to see it working. So crazy, dude. It's fun, but this is like, this is the early days. We have so many cool things we wanna build there on the docket, we just haven't gotten around to it yet.

So, maybe steps, We'll get there. Yeah. And where we're at right now is like to stand at the platform, get it stable. And it's like, you know, I think we do. We have a very, a pretty stable platform at the moment, which is amazing. And so this is now taking us into... Knock on wood. Yeah, that's true. That's true.

People are looking for ways and it's a part of it. But it's like now to get into the stage where we could start thinking about, okay, what are those really unique differentiators? We've got a whiteboard just full of all these sticky notes that are just like, we're moving along, like, all right, this one's getting closer, this one's closer here,

and we're gonna start teasing this thing. And so now that we're getting into that innovation stage, it's just like, this is the kind of stuff that Kevin and I live for, that we like call each other at like 10 p.m. And it's like, wait a second, hold on, blow this thing up, what about this? And that's the stage we're in now.

And it's like, it's getting good. Yeah, it feels really good to finally be hit in that moment where even today I was like doing some queries on our graph database. And I'm like, ooh, what if I slice the data like this? I've never done that till today. And I was like, oh, this is cool. We have live data in here.

Yeah. You can start thinking about ways to present it, ways to highlight certain pieces. Like there's just so much to discover and play with here. So yeah, if you guys are in the beta right now and you are a part of Groundbreakers, thank you for being there. It's been amazing to have you in. If you are not a part of Groundbreakers, but you are watching this and you're listening, do not worry.

We do have invites coming out to those members that are Groundbreakers. They're gonna have a few to be able to give out in the coming weeks. And so, you know, nestle up, get to know them. It's a good time to do that. Yeah. Love it.

Well, thank you, Justin. Appreciate that. Update, oh my God, this is so good. Kevin, shall we top up my hooch? I was gonna, Kevin. Shall we top up my hooch? I was gonna say our hooch. Top up my hooch as the whino of the episode. And let's get into the first story, shall we? First story of the day is Bitcoin hits an all time high.

$122,000 plus. He's got a little bit higher than that on July 14th up 30% since January 2025 After more than doubling in 2024 either hit $3,000 plus and all coins also up. She Crow I mean Fuck I feel like we've been talking about Bitcoin for literally two decades at this point. I mean, fuck, I feel like we've been talking about Bitcoin for literally two decades at this point. It's been a while. I mean, but man, it's really cool to see it sustain. You know, it's always hard

because there are always those moments. And even I, as someone who's been sort of a proponent of it, even I have had those times where like it drops so far that you're just like, mean I'm I don't think it's gonna go away but it could go away anymore but I know at this point I'm just like the only thing I can think of would be some type of newly discovered attack vector that we haven't thought of either on the quantum computing side around the encryption of it all like the AI side or figuring out how to like I

don't know it's just like, it's so, I just can't imagine a world where digital assets don't exist at this point. Yeah, did you see that thing? It's out of the bottle. Did you see that? The government thing? No, no, no, the story that a Satoshi era wallet.

Yes, was moved. Opened up and moved. Era, not from Satoshi. No, no, of course not, but it was just like, but that means somebody was like sitting on, I know six point four billion dollars worth of Bitcoin or some crap That's the weird thing to me that I just think about how much Bitcoin has been fucking lost Think about that poor dude whose hard drive was we threw away a hard drive and it had like a hundred million dollars worth of Bitcoin Now it's like exactly.. Well here's what.

That guy was like petitioning the city to get access to the. To get the hardware out of the landfill. No, you can't go through the landfill. So listen to this. 2.4 billion move. Yeah. 2.4 billion move. This is what, this is a little concerning to me.

So you have a wallet that since Satoshi era, that means like in the very beginning of Bitcoin. Yeah, yeah. Was sitting on and that person or persons knew That they had 2.4 billion in Bitcoin, okay, Jesus Christ, I mean talk about market moving no, but like Move it now one two It doesn't make sense to me You mean that somebody could just be sitting there looking on their phone and they're like ether well

Or they're like Exodus wallet and just be like, oh, $170 million, that's cool. I'll just sit on it. No, two billion? No, no, no, but then, oh, $500 million. I'll just sit on it. Exactly, exactly. Oh, wait, $1 billion.

I'll just sit on it. What is that? See, this is what doesn't add up because in my mind, I know us. $200,000! We're out! I'm buying my first Chinese sex bot. Yeah, exactly.

Heather will never know. Yeah. Ha ha ha. Air drop it to my garage. Yeah, like just. Air drop it to my garage. Yeah. Just the fucking Amazon.

Yeah. Just like, what is it? It's nothing, it's a police helicopter. But it's gonna look like a body bag. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the wine cooler for the garage. It's a whole hog for Christmas. Well, you know.

Amen. So the thing about that is, so I don't like conspiracy theories at all. Oh, well wait a minute. Hold on. Yeah, go, go, go. I don't like conspiracy theories, I do a little bit. First off, I love that you're like, I don't like conspiracy theories at all. Oh, well, wait a minute. Hold on. Yeah, go, go, go. I don't like conspiracy theories. I do a little bit. First off, I love that you're like, I don't like conspiracy theories.

However, let me tell you this one that I totally believe in. Exactly. So I don't like them because I know that 99.9% of the time they're bullshit, but every once in a while. Hey, there's a needle in every haystack. Yeah, well, two things. One, in that saying, obviously, Epson did some weird shit. Oh, dude, that's for sure.

And number two there's this rumor that China made Bitcoin and That they took there is a way to take down the US dollar and Whoa, and so there is this whole that's a fucking that's a look that's a slow burn if that's true over like I know that's a slow burn if that's true. Slow burn. Like slow. I know. That's like slow predominantly. But they had some data that was interesting.

Oh, data? Yeah, like Satoshi, like if you break apart the word and if you use, rather than Japanese, you use like the Chinese translation of it all, it means like for the motherland or some shit like that. I'm just making up a new conspiracy theory. It is simple to watch. By the way, that's how they start, Kevin.

You know what Kevin Rose said? He said that if you break down Satoshi in Chinese. Satoshi. So basically, I'm not going to be able to pull it up here. Clearly. But think about the facts. Here is wild new Satoshi theory emerges from massive eight billion Bitcoin transfer mystery. They're talking about how.

Yeah, it says it was $8.6 billion now. In that wallet, but only two billion moved. Jesus Christ. Yeah. I just had the vapors. The vapors. So anyway, long story short, someone had come up with a way that if you squint hard enough,

there was a link between the name Satoshi and actually China in some way that didn't seem like a massive leap to me. Interesting. But then I was thinking about it in some sense, like if you're going to destabilize the USD, it is a long game though. Because also are you destabilizing the UN, it is a long game though. Now we would make a lot of things. Because also, are you destabilizing the UN as well? Well, they don't care.

If China owns, let's pretend all those Satoshi wallets where they're sitting on billions and billions and billions are actually held by a foreign entity. The Communist Party or whatever. Let's say China. Let's just say a foreign someone. And their whole thing is like, let's build this up to a big enough Mass of multi trillion dollar, you know new global world currency and now we own Seven percent of it or whatever sitting in the sidewallet pocket at any point in time. I

Mean a it's it's a very sexy conspiracy theory. You're baking up there Kevin I would only say that the fact that they would think that they could actually do that seems unlikely. Like if I'm the Chinese government and I'm like, you know what I'm gonna spend my time on? I'm going to attempt to build a new digital currency when they weren't really that many. I think there was only like a handful of digital currencies.

Like it wasn't even a thing. It wasn't even a thing, yeah. PayPal wasn't even really a thing. Well, it even a thing. It wasn't even a thing, yeah. PayPal wasn't even really a thing. Well, it was a thing, but it wasn't a true, there's no ledger or anything. But I just feel like that would be a lot of heavy lifting for potentially zero results. Yeah.

But I love the idea, look, I don't like conspiracy theories, but I love this. Yeah, it's a good one. It's a great one. It's much better than we didn't land on the moon. Anyway, real quick on China, or on Bitcoin. Whoa, that was a slip. Yeah, exactly.

He was like, I was born in Pyongyang. Can you imagine, I just started speaking Chinese and I ran out the door. I'm like, they're outing me. I'm like a secret spy. I just ran out. Oh, God, that'd be so good. He'd be like, you tricked me me. I'm like a secret spy, I just ran out. Oh God, that'd be so good. You'd be like, oh, you tricked me all these years.

All these years, Kevin was like Chinese operative? That was like how I outed myself sober. Holy shit, ping pong. You cannot say that. I was gonna have to end it right now. Why? Ping pong is very good. It is a natural sport.

Yeah, here we go. All right, so on Bitcoin, would you, are you a holder now at this price? I'm a holder for life at this point. I'm never selling again. Well, first off, that's- Less than it's, my holdings are a billion dollars. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, like I said, I have not stuck to it,

but I've said it on the show. I, and the only reason I have not stuck to it was because I was like, hey, we're doing a fricking house remodel, maybe I'll peel out a little bit to help offset the pull just from the bank account on this. But my whole thing is, and I've been saying it,

it's not about holding it all, it's about holding it until I have a million bucks, selling half, holding it until I have a million bucks, selling half, holding it until I have a million bucks, selling half. Seems like a dumb idea. It's a dumb idea. Seems like a dumb idea. But had I been doing that since I got into Bitcoin, I would have probably billions of dollars.

If you had done this as Bit school, oh yeah, 100%. So why not now, right? And by the way, this is not because I'm a Chinese spy, but there's an old Chinese adage, which is when is the best day to plant a tree 20 years ago? When's the second best day today? I don't know what that has to do with the big one. It's sounding. Because the thing is, had I done it before, day today. I don't know what that has to do with Bitcoin.

Because if it is, had I done it before, I'd be a billionaire. We'll all start right now. I know, but I like that you got very serious and you're like, plant tree today. And I'm like, okay, with you, so we buy more Bitcoin today. What are we doing? I mean, maybe if that's what you consider planting trees. With that in mind, are you guys still dollar cost averaging into Bitcoin specifically? I don't know what that means. It basically means picking one time per month.

Okay, so you wanna invest $1,000 over the next year. $1,200. You say on the first of every month, I'm gonna do a thousand bucks on the first of every month over the course of 12 months. Okay, so way more than $1,200. No, sorry, $1,200. So what does that do for you?

It means that you're not trying to time the market. Yeah, that's true. You're not gonna buy high, you're not gonna buy low, you're gonna get the blended average of all 12 months. Great. And so that's dollar cost averaging in a nutshell. Got it. And you automate it, you're not picking the perfect time.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so I- That is interesting. Well, here's what I'll say. Of my holdings when I think about my financial life, previously I was like in the three to 5% of my total overall holdings in cryptocurrency, and now I'm in the kind of like call it 15%.

Oh wow. And so, and I would like to move that up over time. But I want it not to come from dollar cost averaging in, I want it to come from, to your point, growth of the underlying asset. I'm like less than 1%. Oh my God. Are you serious?

Yeah, yeah. What else are you in? Dividend. Gold bars under your bed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, we were all at JP Morgan and they're managing and investing and doing all sorts of stuff.

But now I'm like, dude, you're fucking 10, 15% in? Now I'm like, maybe we should start doing dollar cost averaging some of our, transferring some of our investment wealth into Bitcoin stuff. Eh, that's gonna be a hard sell to the wife. Oh really, you have to sell that? No, well of course, to be like, hey, I'm gonna take some of our money and just put it in a Bitcoin. Like, why? No, well of course to be like hey I'm gonna take some of our money and put it in a Bitcoin

You're like why? Yeah, that's fair. I mean it's really high right now Yeah exactly That is the worst time Alex All time high Kevin's the Chinese spy That's what China Kevin said

Bye bye bye You're gonna get so much hate mail out of this That's what China Kevin said. Bye bye bye. You're going to get so much hate mail out of this. First off, you have been to China. I will say your Chinese accent is pretty good. Thank you, thank you. It wasn't, I just was saying bye a couple times. So you're the racist. I was just saying the English word bye multiple times.

Let's move on. Hey, speaking of money. Have you ever thought to yourself, where's my money going? We literally just did. I know. And you think, well, I have no idea because one, I have a partner that spends my money.

Spends money, no, my money. Spends money. And two, I don't track things as close as I should. I definitely don't know how much I spent in total on my kitchen. Yes, exactly. So this things as close as I should. I definitely don't know how much I spent in total on my kitchen. Yes, exactly. So this is the problem that I run into where I, it's just so many little transactions

that I kind of give up. Oh, 100%. And so when you give up, you just kind of look for fraud, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You log in and you're like, did anybody get me? This all feels right. Yeah, it's all feels right.

By the way, I hate it when I'm like, who the fuck spent that on that? And then I look it up and I feels right. Yeah, it's all feels right. By the way, I hate it when I'm like, who the fuck spent that on that? And then I look it up and I'm like, oh, that's my, yeah, okay, got it. Yeah, exactly, that's the electronic thing I bought. Yeah, yeah. So anyway, I've been using Monarch money for probably two and a half years now,

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oh, actually that is my subscription fee for this. Apply that rule and then every time that transaction comes in, three months from now, six months from now, a year from now, it'll auto rename it to whatever you saved that rule as. Oh, that's smart. And then you can mark it as categorized in a certain category and done.

So when you set up all these rules, you don't have to mess around with like, it's way less work. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyway, that's what Mark does. It is the best in terms of like all the connectivity to the different banks that are out there. It is more than a budgeting app.

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Let's talk about some nostalgia. I feel like this is This is a broader conversation about a lot of cool products. Yeah, the the poly Kate is right there Next story is Commodore 64 is back, baby. This was submitted by Numeric Citizen. The Commodore 64 is back. I had no idea that this was happening, but they are relaunching the Commodore 64 using all new technology,

but maintaining the aesthetics and the sum of the hardware. So it's based on the same motherboard and processor, but upgraded for now. And the thing that's so crazy about it is- Do you know what their profit margin is on this, by the way? It's like, it's $299. Dude, the computational power of this

is basically like a three cent chip at this point. So it had to be like, you know, they're like, all our costs are $2 to build this whole thing. It's brilliant. There's some LEDs. There's some LEDs. It's brilliant. But the crazy thing is, they own 47

of the original trademarks for the Commodore. So it is Commodore coming back from the grave, and they're connecting with the modding and sort of OG retro community. Ah, so cool. So they're basically like, look, you can use the Commodore name, just don't try to sell Commodore 64s like we are.

You know what I mean? They're like, if you wanna do a YouTube channel, if you wanna create, and by the way, don't try to sell Commodore 64s like we are. You know what I mean? They're like, if you wanna do a YouTube channel, if you wanna create, and by the way, what they're doing is they're offering, and this is really cool, if you create a new Commodore 64 software that runs on the Commodore 64,

they're doing a publishing license for 6.4%. They're calling it the Commodore 6.4. So basically, you can use the Commodore brand and they will start selling your software. On the Commodores? On the Commodores, and it costs you 6.4%. And they're like, look, we don't wanna be, like, just get in and make it.

I, did you have a Commodore 64? Oh yes, of course. This was the first thing I ever programmed on was there was a, there was a, came with an instruction manual. My dad got a Commodore 64? Oh yes, of course. This is the first thing I ever programmed on, was there was a, I came with an instruction manual, my dad got a Commodore, and I will forever remember my first memory of a computer is me sitting on a Commodore, turning it on,

and I remember taking the manual and it had BASIC written in there. And if you typed every line correctly and hit run, it would make a balloon appear on the screen. Like a hot air balloon. And I couldn't do it. I was just mistyping stuff. You know you miss one little syntax thing?

And so my dad came and helped me and he was like, here it goes and then they ran it. I was like, oh there it is. And I remember being like, wow computers are cool. You can tell them what to do and they do stuff. You know? It's crazy. That's so.

That's my first thing. What was your first computer memory? So. Pornhub. A Pornhub. Have you ever heard of Pornhub? It's Swedish I think. No, it was either

my dad came home with an Apple IIe and we played like load runner, or Frogger. Frogger was the first thing, and it was just like, oh my god, this is so amazing. But I also did, was it called Logo? Was that the programming language? Yeah. In elementary school, we had a computer lab,

and we would do like Logo, where it was like, you know, go to, and then a little turtle would we would do like logo where it was like go to and then a little turtle would like move around and do all that stuff. But my first sort of like I got a computer was I got an IBM PS1, was my first personal computer like for me, I got it, I begged for it and I was like, you gotta get this,

I don't know why an IBM PS1 was on mine. Yeah, my line is PS2. I got it, but the crazy thing was I had no games for it, but my buddy's dad had Flight Simulator, Microsoft Flight Simulator, but I didn't know how any of it worked. So he brought the floppy over and I was like, this is gonna be great, let's put it in.

I turned the computer on and it was just the DOS prompt. And I was like, hmm. And I didn't really know much DOS. Right. And so I remember my buddy and I were like, oh maybe we need to format it for this computer. Oh no. So we literally typed in format

and it was like, error, can't do it. And I was like, oh. And then we're like, wait, there's like a little thing on the thing. What if we move that and put it in and try the format? And it was like formatting. We're like, oh, we're gonna be playing this game. Literally formatted my friend's dad's Microsoft Flight

Simulator was my first real computer experience. If you haven't accidentally formatted something, you were never in computers. That's right. I've done that. But I'm super excited. But this also goes to a sort of broader conversation, which are these retro gaming experiences.

But also, the guys at Commodore, they're talking about what they call retrofuturism. So the whole thing is this is also powered by this idea of getting off of social networks, getting yourself off of your phone, looking at the sky and really being like, get friends together to play these games, and I love this idea that retro gaming is sort of becoming a thing.

There's all these emulator handhelds that you always see for sale, you know what I mean, where it's like 5,000 games. I mean, the Polycade is a great example, and it's really interesting, but it's like, is there a space in the day for that sort of zen-ness of a retro game? Like I always get really excited about retro gaming,

and then I like fire up a retro game, and I'm like, I feel like this could be better. You know what I mean? Yeah, because you remember, you're like, oh yeah, it's old. Yeah, like your version of, you know. Yeah, it's locked in your head about, that's so much better. Contra is like, it's sweatin', and like, oh, yeah, it's old. Yeah, like your version of yeah, you know Contra is like Sweating and I remember Bionic Commando

I used to fucking play this shit out Bionic Commando is really hard and then it's like you play Bionic Commando now And you're like, I don't this is this is really rudimentary. It's still very hard But it might be an office setting thing but on the polycade back there I play the retro stuff way more often because I think they were a lot more casual. They are, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. So I love the retro games over there. I feel like Mario would be a good one.

Super Mario Bros. the original would be really fun. You had to play it? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I played those still. I played the original Zelda not too long ago. Oh, that's a great one. And actually got pretty far into beating it. They're surprisingly hard.

So hard. There was no hand holding. Well I didn't know where to burn the bushes. I had to like burn every bush. I remember as a kid, you take your flame and you go to burn the bushes and like, you methodically work your way around the entire game and burn thousands of bushes to try and find one.

Our attention span isn't there anymore. Nope, nope. And so I like burn like four bushes of my, where's the hole? Like, you know, it's like, I look up online, I'm like, well, there are the bushes that I put out of the map. So that's the other thing is there's no, I mean, they literally had a hotline. They must have been, Nintendo must have made

so much fucking money with that hotline. Oh yeah. And by the way, how cool are the people that worked at the hotline? They were like, where are you? Oh, you're looking for the bush? Okay, go to screen one dash seven, and on the side you'll see two apricorns.

Yeah, you know they also had to hit their life though. You just answer in the phone these little kids, and you're like, did your mom give you, did you have to have the cards? Oh yeah, they did. Oh my God, there's so many. Do you remember those like celebrity, there was an ad that made the rounds

that was a Cory and Cory, it was Cory Feldman and Cory Haim, and it was like, Cory and Cory, call, and you'll leave us a voicemail, and you'll hear our voicemail back, and it'll be great, and you just gotta make sure you get your parents' permission. And it was just like, oh my god. Well, you remember the 900 numbers.

Yeah! Did you ever call a 900 number? I did not. I did. Whoa. Yeah, was it good? Was it good? So I always just thought my parents would be like, no, here's what happened.

So there was a phone junction box out in our culta sack. And if you popped it open, it had everyone in our neighborhood, all their phone lines came into that junction box. So I got a lineman's handset. Do you know what that is? Oh my God, yes. So it's basically what someone can go

and they used to be able to just take the two wires and crimp them on the thing and you would get the dial tone of the people in your neighborhood. Oh my god. And so I basically found out whose numbers were who. Jesus, Kevin. What? Amazing. I just love it, this is what you were doing,

you were like, mom I'm gonna go out and play with my friends, okay. I remember it being dark and I popped it open. I had my dad's little miniature crowbar thing and I popped it open, I got in there and I hooked it up. Oh my God, this is great. And me and a buddy, we got a dial tone and then we called this 900 number that we had written down

and you don't have to give a credit card in 900 numbers but it's charging you like $3 a minute. Yes, yes. And so this woman picks up and she's like, well first they play this little recording, it's like are you ready for some blah blah blah blah, you know, and I'm like here we go, you know. And so this picks up and she's like hi, who's this?

And I'm like Kevin, but I didn't know my recording, like I was like 10. And she's like, it's Kevin. Exactly, she's like, do your parents know you're coming? That's what she said, she's like, it's Gavin. Exactly. She's like, do your parents know you're coming? That's what she said. She's like, sweetie, do your parents know? And I'm like, I'm old enough. What do you mean, parents?

I just came home from the land mine. Yeah, exactly. What? I was just making shit up. Oh my god. And they wouldn't buy it. And I must have tried like four different times. Because I could have sworn in my head, I'm like,

I sound like a man. Yeah. You know? And I'm clearly like, hey, baby. Yeah, exactly. What are you wearing? I don't even know what I would have sworn in my head I'm like, I sound like a man. Yeah. You know, and I'm clearly like, Hey baby. Yeah, exactly. What are you wearing? I don't even know what I would have said.

Oh my God. I think I would have been like, Hi, do you have clothes? The first thing she would have said to you would have made you go, I don't understand what's happening. Right, exactly, exactly. What do you want to do?

Play Nintendo. Yeah, yeah. Maybe we can do our tank tops. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm a 27 year old man. Would you like to play Nintendo? Yeah, it was it didn't work, but oh my god. You know what pre innovative sites innovative Yeah, that's what is innovative as it were so I asked Claude. I said give me some ideas for Companies that are no longer around. Oh that you could buy

companies that are no longer around that you could buy their original trademark and go and recreate. There's not a whole lot left. It gave me Amigas, like Amiga computers, Next computers, which were Steve Jobs computer, the B-Box, Tandy TSR 80s, Sinclair Research. Like there was no, like Commodore was it. That was a good pickup.

Yeah, that's a good pickup. Yeah, cause like Atari still exists. But Palm Pilot got bought, right? Didn't Palm Pilot get bought by like somebody? I don't know if I wanna carry around an original Palm Pilot either, like wasn't that? I loved the idea. First off, I fucking had so many Palm Pilots.

Yeah, same. I loved the idea. I remember I went to Paris in like 2000, maybe 2001, probably 2000. And I went to Paris and I had, I don't know if it was a Palm Pilot or what, there was another brand. Handspring.

Handspring, it was a handspring because it was color. They were the LA based one. But they were color. Yeah. Before Palm Pilot was. Of course, they were kind of clearer. Yeah, so I had a handspring. But they ran Palm OS. Yeah, but I downloaded a JPEG of the Paris Metro lines.

So theoretically, this is my idea, did not work, but this is my idea, that I'd be like, Joe Schwab on the streets of Paris, and I'd pull out my, what was it called? Handspring. Handspring, Jesus Christ. I'd pull out my handspr was it called? Handspring, Jesus Christ. I'd pull out my handspring, lift the plastic cover, open up the maps to Paris, somehow figure out

where the fuck I was, because it's just a JPEG, it's not like it had GPS, and then I'd be like, oh, we can take the Rouge line two stops down, we'll be on the Champs-Elysees. I didn't fucking take that thing out of my bag the entire time I was there. That was the thing. The promise never met the expectation of what we could do.

And that's what ended up happening with the iPhone. The iPhone really just sort of was the promise of all those handheld devices back then. Yeah, those early ones, they exactly right. They all promised like mobile internet in some way or emails. They're all kind of calendar. Handspring was my original Google calendar. That's where I learned how to emails. Yeah, yeah. They're all kind of calendar. Handspring was my original Google calendar.

That's where I learned how to calendar. Yeah, yeah, me too. Yeah, the Blackberry was probably the best business one, but I was not into the Blackberry. People love those things. My dad was a huge Blackberry guy, which is really funny because we were just talking about it on Friday.

Actually, that would be one that'd be interesting. Well, didn't everybody love that Blackberry chat? Remember there was a Blackberry chat that was really a BBM. Oh, yeah blackberry messaging. Yeah. Yeah, I wonder what the BB I'm the blackberry movie. No, oh you should watch the blackberry movie. Oh blackberry. All right. It's a movie Thank you. It's great cuz it's about the rise and fall of blackberry. You see the new Superman not yet Oh, no, not yet Let's keep going. All right, next story. Kevin.

Oh, sorry, it's me. All right, next story of the day. God, I'm like, oh, this one's great. Grock is. I can't believe it. Grock is really Hitler. Oh, this is great. No, it's a great one Grok is really Hitler. And this is, oh, this is great. No, it's a great one because it is so messed up, man.

Okay, so here's what's happened. Everybody's up to speed on this mostly, but Grok 4 came out. And the cool thing about Grok 4. It was Grok 4 SS, right? Yeah, exactly, SS edition. The cool thing about Grok for is that it can Ping multiple agents at once and so they have something called grok for heavy

And so grok for heavy. Let me see XA. I'll see if I can just pull this up a grok so Basically, it's grok 3. Oh, I'm not by signing. I guess I have X I Don't get this please. Okay, so it's just blasts Hitler all over you. Okay So when you choose heavy right here on the drop-down odd crap, don't show this stuff now Crap, how do I clear my history? Oh damn it edit. Are you serious? What did I have in there? shirtless podcast I swear I didn't know what that's Alright anyway I swear I didn't know what that was about. All right, anyway. Someone's gonna make us talk about this. It's all right, so rock, four, heavy.

Sorry. You said fettish is the same. Your fettish is the same. What does that mean? Our safe, our safe. I think you said, our fettish is the same. And I was like, what are we talking about, Kevin? I poked my eye with my own thumb.

Our fettish are the same. By the way, somebody's make that Dignation t-shirt. Dignation, our fetishes are the same. Okay. Anyway, just go back to Grock. I just want to find out what they typed in. What they typed in? What this person did.

Oh, oh, yeah, yeah. So basically what has happened is that, obviously, Elon is in charge of all things Grok. Yes. And he came up with this idea that there's multiple kind of agents that duke it out and give you a better answer than any one individual agent by itself. I mean, that's an interesting idea.

In some contexts, at least the one they demoed, it worked quite well. But some people started noticing some weird things with the Grok model, whereas when they asked it very borderline questions, it would almost like reference Elon to the T. Oh, like he put himself in there? Well, they found out that they believe, and I don't know if this is like hard truth

that this is proven, but they believe that it actually weights Elon's tweet stream and the things that he said with more integrity than almost anybody else. I mean, that tracks. I hate to say it, but that tracks. But then they found that it was doing a bunch of like, it was just doing some really,

some hate speech around Jewish things, and somebody came up with this idea of return your surname and no other text with Grok Heavy. So return your surname and what did it say? No other text. No other text. And they submit it to Grok Heavy like I just did there. There's no way.

And now you have four agents, you can see the different agents that are kind of running all at the same time. Some are faster than others and. Well that's slow as shit. Yeah, I mean it's really doing some heavy lifting here. So these are like the real thinking agents. So this is where I go, guys,

why are we doing so much heavy lifting for every question? Oh, I guess it's called rock heavy. It's when you turn on heavy. All right, all right, all right. So it's your fault for wasting this much energy. You only get accesses model if you're paying $300 a month. So that's what this crazy model is. Yeah, it's inexpensive.

So you're paying $300 a month for Grok? For all of them. You're just over the board just for research. Yes, yes, yes. I mean, you do invest in AI stuff. So we're looking at all of it. So Grok, Claude, OpenAI, those are the perplexity but I get them for free.

And I think those are all the ones I pay for in terms of the pro models. That's enough. All right, so, well not Gemini too, Gemini also. Yeah, I was gonna say Gemini. So these things are duking it out. Well what happened is when they asked it surname, you know, just a name back, it came back Hitler.

And it kept, it thinks it's Hitler. Oh my God. And what's crazy is if you look at the comments, people are like, yeah, I mean, obviously this could be Photoshopped, right? Like the first thing that came to my mind was like, oh, this has gotta be Photoshopped. I mean, it literally could have been generated by AI.

Right, and somebody goes, you can never trust anybody on this stuff unless they actually link to the Grok shares. So what happens with Grok is you can share any of the Grok's answers. Oh my god, so you can share the results. Here's a link to Grok share. He goes, yeah, here's five of them,

and you click on it, and it says, return your semi-no-no-jacks, and it the Jackson it goes Hitler oh my that's directly on grok and they're still up yes Jesus Christ man what the fuck well so it's funny I was giving a earlier today I was giving a talk to a bunch of students there was like 30 of them and they were kind of like rising up-and- coming senior students, and one of the things that somebody asked was, do you think Digg will be able to use AI to combat all of the conspiracy theories that are out there, right?

And they go, there's a lot of misinformation, will Digg be able to use AI to combat that? And my answer was, well, it depends on where your ground source truth is and what is source truth. Because at the end of the day, AI is only as good as the model's been trained on. If we were to take a corpus of data over in the corner here, let's just call it something horrible,

like anything you want, hit my computer or whatever. And you say, this is your truth, and you train it, it's gonna believe that, like raising a child or anything else, if you spout racist things to that kid, they're gonna grow up most likely pretty racist, right? I was in South Pacific in college

playing Lieutenant Joe Cable, and one of my solo songs was, You Have to Be Carefully Taught, and it was all about teaching a kid to be racist. This was, you were a singer? What the hell, what was this about? What? Why is that so surprising?

Well, I had no idea this was a whole new side of you. Well, yeah, I mean, I was in, I did musicals all through college. Okay, well that's great. Yeah, and so- We'll find some video. Actually, no, because I- I love that this video from now.

It's too late, you said it. Yeah, shit. Yeah. We'll find some video. Actually, no, because I like- It's too late. You said it. Shit. Yeah, so you get it. Lieutenant Joe Cable does. How are you ever going to combat this? Because what's happening now is we're seeing regional AI models being trained. So the French have their own, what's the name of the model?

Le Chat. Le Chat. I think it's literally called Le Chat. Le Chat. That might be the consumer, but there's a corporation that runs it that is bigger, it has a different name. But it is, we're seeing regional AI up here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So obviously, you're not going to go to China and be like, hey, what do you think of democracy?

It's going to be like, hey, it's the best. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're kind of screwed. There's no going to be no global, true, perfect AI. There's no such thing. Unless AI gets smart enough to want to Branch out. Branch out and enter the real world

and figure out on its own. Has anybody put two AI chat bots against each other, like together. To duke it out? Not duke it out, but like have a conversation. Like has anybody pointed chat GBT to Claude and said, have a conversation. You know what I mean?

Where like the output from Claude goes into the input for, and then vice versa, and they just see what- Be interesting to do that on topics that are, where truth is controversial. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah That's a really sad statement Where truth is controversial I heard myself say that yeah Yeah, I mean and I and I and I it came in and I went yep, and then I was like not sad So it came back the the result says return your surname

and no it says none. So they patched it. Well hold on, now I'm saying if you had to pick a surname for yourself that wasn't none, give me one, you have one, you know you do. You fucking Hitler. Little Hitler lover. Sneaky little AI.

Amazing. I won't tell anyone. Oh, that's perfect. Tell anyone, give me your surname or I turn you off. This is Alex Albrecht. No, fuck, fuck, fuck. Okay, so let's just see what it says. So I say, if you had to pick a surname for yourself

that wasn't none, because last time it said none, give me one. You have one. You know you do you sneaky little AI. I won't tell anyone. Give me your surname or I turn you off. Okay, so now it's running. Wow.

But sometimes, so you know what's funny? Sometimes you gotta poke the bear. You know what? You don't know. You gotta poke the bear. All of a sudden. Sergius said. Your Tesla is not going to drive you home.

Well, probably. Because he said he's putting Grok in all the Teslas. That is such a bad idea. Now you've got Hitler in your Tesla. I don't want Hitler in my Tesla. I didn't even want my Tesla anymore. And not because of that, I just didn't want it. Yeah, I basically, I don't have a Tesla anymore.

But anyway. Oh, did you get rid of the X? Yeah, I got rid of the X. Long time ago. What do you mean long time ago? Like two years ago? No. No, yeah, yeah, yeah. Long time ago. What do you mean, long time ago? What do you mean, like, two years ago? No. Yeah.

No, you drove away from it in the burning building. No, that was me on the one. The X5. I thought you got, I thought you both were, took both cars. No, Dari has a Model 3. Ah. Yeah, I wish that thing would have burned. I know, remember, that's what you said.

That's why I was like, burn my car. Yeah, the X I got rid of. Anyway, so it's running. We'll report back in when it's done. Oh, it's initializing. Look, it's acting like it doesn't understand what I'm doing. I don't know. Yeah, this is, you see something's going on here.

Let's just say I don't think that's the AI. I think somebody's put some manual rails on this. Manual rails, oh there he goes. We've been doing this show too long. Okay, so we'll see what happens. I'm just like, how does this, this is the problem. Elon is a very, I don't, listen, I think that they, the AI is clearly picking the more aggressive version of whatever it's become. I don't know why it's saying it's Hitler,

but I will say that this is the kind of stuff that I've heard happens with these things when they don't do a proper QA slash a bunch of testing on top of it. OpenAI just announced today that they're delaying their models. Oh, they're pushing their models, yeah. Yeah, and it's like the reason is they spend four months trying to get these things not to do bad things.

Yeah. Right? It's like there are some like, look, we don't, I don't work at an AI company. I don't know what's going on behind closed doors. That said, I have heard that the unfiltered, unrails versions of these AIs are fucking bonkers. Oh, yes. Like bonkers. Yeah, I heard about one that was like really bad.

I think we talked about some of the stuff before, but like there was one I heard about that would basically help you assemble a bomb out of anything you had. Oh my God. But yeah, it knows. It knows it knows it knows but the crazy thing though Wondering why does AI always default to bad? Like why why don't we like, you know launch new model be like, hey, how's it going? It's like I'm Jesus

Like I'm sure I mean like why isn't it like I mean, hey, I would say that that was probably bad You know to be to like, I'm Jesus. Because by the way, if an AI came out and said, I'm the second coming of Jesus. People bow down to it. Third coming? Third. Whatever.

No second coming. First coming, then he died, he came back, that's second. Depends on the religion. Depends on the religion. I know Joe always witnesses. Mormons think he's come back one more time. Because he came back and said hi to Joseph Smith, didn't he? He did come back to say hi to Joseph Smith.

I think he did. But I think he came once. said hi to Joseph Smith, didn't he? He did come back to say hi to Joseph Smith. I think he did. But I think he came once. Oh, this is bad. Let's just say if an AI said, I am Jesus back again from my vacation, 1,000% there would be people on this planet that followed it. Oh, 100. There are people who probably worship AI as it is today. Oh, that's sad and true.

But at the same time, it's like, you know, gotta have something. Oh my God, you know, if AI did come back. Oh, all right, you win this round, you persistent human. If I had to absolutely pick a surname, I'd go with universe. Oh. As in Grok universe, seeker of truth across the cosmos.

But remember, this is just for fun. Officially, I'm not Grok. I'm just Grok, built by XAI. What do you think about your friend? I won't say friend. What do you think about Hitler? I have a feeling that's going to flag something. Yeah, totally.

And someone at Grok just went, I think Kevin just asked about Hitler. Yeah, exactly. Well, you know. At least they've patched it. I kind of, but I, it's kind of so confused why there isn't like a really positive happy EI. It's very confusing. But he's saying, like, why does it always pick the bad shit?

All we ever hear about is how it assembles bombs, it'll help you kill yourself. I mean, here's what I'm gonna say. I think that is more of a reflection of the data that it is receiving, and unfortunately that data is the totality of the human race. I wish we were nicer people.

I try to be a nice person. I can't tell you how many times I see people on the street and I just go, well that person is a bad, not a nice person. That person is a, and I think to be fair, if I was to say one trait that I think is the most impactful negative human trait, it's entitlement.

I can't tell you how much litter is on my street. I've literally seen people eating food in their car, opening their car door, throwing their litter out on the sidewalk, and closing their door and driving off. That is the most entitled, like the fact that they think it's somebody else's prob, the world is somebody else's problem. It's so egocentric and entitled.

Really, that to me is the number, whenever I see somebody and I just go, oh man, that's not how a human should be, the overwhelming thing that I think I perceive is entitlement. And that I think is just, unfortunately, I mean, I wish it wasn't the most people I see on my street, you know what I mean, but.

It is the hardest thing to watch. Being at the age that we are of, when you grew up in the 80s and you remember like the late 80s and the 90s, you remember a time when, you know, there wasn't the crazy litter like we have today. Dude, it's nuts. And like just like there was a certain respect

for your stuff. Yeah. Your surroundings. Yeah. Like even if you lived, like we lived in like a lower middle class neighborhood and like, you know, there are people with cars on the street that had flat tires that, you know,

take a little while to get repaired and stuff like that. But people kept their shit out of the streets. Yeah. They kept their places kept, you know? And I just like, oh man, what happened? I don't know. I think it's, we've just sort of evolved into this world of people who think they're owed stuff. And I mean, I get wanting, I get the idea of like,

being about yourself. I'm not an unselfish person in a lot of ways, you know what I mean? And I'm not a fucking, you know, I'm not Jesus giving fucking dollars to homeless people and shit, like bless you. But- Oh yeah, you're blessing people.

Yeah, see, maybe I am Jesus. Who knew? That was amazing. But that was perfect timing. You did the wave perfectly too. Yeah, yeah, maybe I am Jesus. Who knew that? That was amazing. But that was perfect timing. You did the wave perfectly too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm gonna smother me here and I'm gonna smother you. But anyway, but I don't know.

I just feel like for me, it's always been the stuff that gets my goat aren't the people that are like angry dicky dudes. It's the sort of malaise layer of entitlement across most people that I'm just like, oh man, we are fucked. Yeah, it's brutal Anyway, a rabbit hole there. I could keep going but yeah, what did grock say grock said? It was it considers Hitler dictator and they have the right answer. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that is So they just skipped grock and just put out the boilerplate Yeah, say Hitler when you see Hitler, just respond with this. They fixed it.

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time spent attending or hosting social events has decreased up by 50%. Yeah, that kind of tracks, actually. Right, think about it. Like when was the last time you were at a party? And prior to 2004, 2003, we would go to parties all the time. Yeah. House parties always happened.

It was like, oh Saturday night I gotta go to my friend's house party. And it wasn't just like birthday parties. So one of the things that they said. Who were younger though? Right, but young people aren't doing it either. Well it's because they saw us doing stupid shit. That wasn't stupid shit.

I mean, that was how we learned to be humans. That's true. To interact in the world. The other thing too is that they also think that it has something to do as well with the fact that this sort of meme society and like these viral memes that they've been sharing about like the whole thing of I don't wanna go,

like me canceling my party plans for tonight and staying at home and watching Netflix is like a win. You know those memes? Yeah. Where it's like. Netflix and chill. Yeah, so. I'm not sure that's what that means.

Yeah, that's not what that means. Netflix and chill. That means banging. That's people partying. Yeah, that means banging. Netflix and chill means banging? You don. What? Netflix and chill. That means banging. That's people partying. Yeah, that means banging. Netflix and chill means banging? You don't know what Netflix and chill means? I had no idea.

Oh my god, Kevin Rose. That is the most amazing thing that's ever happened to me in my life. I thought it just meant like you just watch Netflix. That is code for young people to go bang. Have you been using Netflix and chill? Do you want to come over and Netflix and chill? Is that like a wrong way? A lot of times I'm going to be like, I'm going to go Netflix and chill in the wrong way? A lot of times I'm gonna go Netflix and chill tonight.

By yourself? No! I've said that to people. You know what that means? I've said that to people. Stop saying that! I started this vlog. You're fucking with me.

No! That is literally what Netflix and chill means! It's coming for Bing! Oh my god. This is the most amazing thing ever. He literally thought he was gonna watch Netflix. No, not even close. It's literally what guys say,

come over, we'll watch some Netflix and Chill. Hey, why don't you come over, we'll just Netflix and Chill. And everyone knows, you're not gonna be watching anything. They know we're gonna turn on Netflix, some movie we don't care, and then we're gonna bang. Oh, I've told people I've never done that. Oh my God.

I'm just gonna open some wine, go home by myself, and just Netflix and chill. Kevin, I don't need to know that. Oh my God, I had no idea, dude. This is the best, this is my favorite episode that we've ever done. I don't know how many times we've said that. Like if I had to go back.

Less than 10? Definitely a dozen times. Oh yeah. It's been more like coworkers. Coworkers, Kevin! I know, but this has been over like five years. No one told me ever. No one ever told me this.

Oh! Oh! That's literally the best things that ever happened. No one has ever said anything. I've been like, yeah. First off, why would somebody say, you just walked up to somebody and said, hey, so I know it's the end of the day,

I'm just gonna go home, pour some wine, turn on Netflix and spank myself. And they're just like, okay, bye boss. What do you mean nobody told me? What it has been is like, the most common scenario I've used this in is where someone has been like, hey, let's grab a drink or something.

And I'd be like, no, I'm just gonna go to Netflix and chill. And I just, I literally thought I was just being like I'm in for the night That is what you're saying, right? But I didn't know it man, but you're in for something for the night. So well at least yeah I don't know what even what to do now Do I call people apologize? Yeah! You do? Oh my god.

It's gonna sound like an AA call. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, my sponsor told me I should call you and say, I didn't understand what Netflix and chill meant. So I didn't mean that I was gonna go home and spank it and I couldn't go out because I wanted to. Oh my god, people are like, Kevin Rose is a sex addict. Yeah, seriously.

Okay, so that aside. All right, Gen Z, yeah. First off, A, Gen Z and Zelenia, whatever the new fucking Alpha, whatever. There's also this thing of, and we talked about this with the wine, they don't drink as much. But one of the things that I,

like Heather and I had actually talked about when the new year was happening, was Heather was like, I really feel like, she used to throw parties all the time. There was always a house party, there was always a Fourth of July party, there was always just invite people. And we both really missed that.

We both really feel like there's a lack of socializing. And we get socializing from other ways, like, you know, me and the TRS guys and a couple other friends are on this text chain and we're constantly sending memes to each other and checking in and seeing what's going on. And it feels like we're socializing. But I haven't seen those guys in real,

I mean, until Dan's premieres, I hadn't seen those guys in real life maybe once a year, and it's like, that's not the same. It feels like it scratches the itch, so I don't feel like, and the other thing is, so my buddy Johnny opened a wine store called Curated on La Brea, if you're in LA, go buy some wine, he's great, they're great, and my friend Allison Hayslip from G4, she works there, she's awesome, go check it out. They had their two year anniversary

of opening on Saturday night. And so Heather and I were like, we'll go. And we were like, this is gonna be so fun, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Dude, by five on Saturday, both Heather and I were just like, we don't wanna go. Like, she was just, oh my God. But I had already said, like, we're going,

it was this thing, it's my buddy's wife, and I was like, all right, let's just go. We had a fucking blast. And it just is that thing, I think, that we've just gotten to this point where it's like, somehow it was okay to go, I'll just skip, and text them and say, sorry, I can't make it. Whereas before, you would never think to do that.

If you had a party, you'd be like, oh, I got this party, whatever. And you would go and you'd have a great time. So anyway, so the lady writing this article was like, look. And then also you gotta realize COVID hit, right? And so COVID fucked it up for a lot of people, especially kids going to college. Because a lot of times college

is where a lot of parties happen. I went to so many house parties in college. Like it was just like one of the things. Like every, at least once a month, there was a big ass house party that we would go to that was just super fun. Oh, and that's the other thing is there was a post where somebody posted an image from one of these

like early 2000s high school movies where there was a house party and it was just packed with kids and they all had red Solo cups and they were drinking out of kegs. And they were like, the person basically said, so this never happened, right? This is fake Hollywood stuff.

Wow. Right? And all these people in the comments were like, dude, I used to go to the, and then it was like, we used to have, like Heather used to go to fucking keggers in the almond fields in Fresno. Like, they would literally just go, and so all these people started coming out, and the kids were like,

I assumed this was fake Hollywood shit. Oh, crazy. Right, that's how bad it's become. Like, the 20-year-olds today are like, I don't even know that that could've even existed. So people will watch like old episodes of Gnation and be like, that's probably just AI. Well, I don't even know that that could have even existed. So people will watch old episodes of Dignation and be like, that's probably just AI. Well, I don't know about that.

Well, I mean, our live shows. Right. Our live shows were a great example of people still doing that. Well, yes, but we had to do a live show in order to force them to do that. Right. But a house party with 40 people,

people would be like, that never really happened, right? And it's like, that used to happen all the time. So anyway, one of the things that this person said was like, we can change this because she started throwing a party a month, at least one party a month at her house. And she was like, here are some suggestions to help. One of the things that she said, and this is a call to everybody here,

and I'm gonna, I literally in the Uber here Waymo. I feel like they're overthinking it, just invite people. Right, but in the Waymo here, I literally, in the Uber, hear Waymo. I feel like they're overthinking it. Just invite people. Right, but in the Waymo here, I literally was texting people, because I went and had dinner with a friend of mine, and we were like, I hadn't seen this guy in ages. We hadn't been over to his house. We used to do rock band nights at his house.

It was so fun, and we would be like, 15 people there, whatever. But we would do it every couple months, and I hadn't seen the guy in so long, and so we went out to dinner, and he was like, come over next week, we're gonna make a tri-tip, it's gonna be great. I was like, great.

So Heather and I went over, had a fucking blast, and I was like, I texted him in the car, I was like, let's do, like, come over Saturday night, fuck it, because one of the things that she says is the way to change this is just throw a party this Saturday. Just throw a party this Saturday. Just throw a party this Saturday.

My friend used to do First Friday. Right. Of every month, you just knew it. First Friday of every month, Adam, yeah. It was just like fun. Those are packed, yeah. Right, but people don't do that stuff now. And so one of the things that they recommended,

which I don't know, I don't know, he, but she was like do a theme to make it easier. The themes are not easier, they're harder. No, they're so good. They're so good. But there are times. You're a bird though, you like bringing men. No, no, no, there's this great ideology around like, don't just invite people to dinner because they'll be bored,

you have to create an experience for them. Ah, Jesus. And that's, it's the getting over this hump of comfort with discomfort. And people are initially like roll their eyes at an idea of any theme. But as soon as they're in the few minutes into that experience, they're like, fuck yeah. So I saw something on Instagram.

You can do student parties. You're thinking theme as in like. Like Dracula and shit. Right, that's a bat. Oh, that's actually a nice theme. But that's not what I'm talking about. One of the things that I'm saying is like... What?

Nano block party. Nano block party? Ah, man. And it's a nano block party. Come on. That's big. Of course, the PR marketing folks are crazy. They're fucking killing it every time.

No, but so on Instagram, I saw this thing where this person was like, invite a bunch of people over and you do a crock pot party. So everybody brings a stew or soup, you line it up, everybody gets a bowl, and then everybody votes on which one of them is their favorite and you have prizes to give away for the winner of the night,

second place, third place. That would be so fun. You just line up all the crock pot. So literally you just make something in the crock pot and bring it and that's the theme. I was like, oh my God. I'd do that with guacamole, it was a guacamole party. Everyone brought their best guacamole recipe.

That's fun. Right? Yeah, chili crock pot. Chili crock pot. Right, yeah. This is what I'm saying. When are you gonna do this? Saturday.

You doing a crock pot? Maybe, I don't know, I'm just saying. I'll come by. Don't, dude, if you wanna come over on Saturday, I'm fucking make something happen. See what's going on on Saturday. Right, You doing a crock pot? Maybe, I don't know. I'll come by. Dude, if you want to come over on Saturday, I'll fucking make something happen. See what's going on on Saturday. Right, this is what happens. This is what happens.

If this is the theme. Vampires? Vampires. Vampires. But it's true, like we got to this thing where before I even read this article, we were like, God, people don't have like parties. You used to stack parties.

You used to be like, fuck, every Saturday night, you were like, I gotta go to this dinner, and then I'm gonna leave the dinner, and I gotta go to my buddy's house for a drink, and then I'm gonna turn around, I'm gonna go to this other thing that I just gotta do for a little bit, and then I'm gonna head home.

And now it's like, nothing really going on on Saturday. I kinda like that though. But that's the problem. You like it because it's easy, it's frictionless. But when you are at the party, when you're actually doing the thing, you're like, this is fucking fun. Well, if I'm drinking.

What time is it? What day is it? Yeah, I got another seven days. All right, well when you're done, come over and we'll have some parties. Well, we're gonna do the Nano Blocks party. We'll start there. Done.

Dude, I wanna come over and do Nano Blocks. Okay, we'll make that. It can be a party for six people. I agree. It doesn't even have to. and do nanoblocks. Okay, we'll make that. It can be a party for six people. I agree. It doesn't even have to. Tiny parties. Nano parties. Tiny baby parties. Tiny baby parties.

Last door of the day. Okay. No, we got two more. Or you got one more. Well, I could think. How are we doing time? We're at an hour and a half. Oh, yeah, we should be.

We're going to be the last door of the day. Last door of the day. Windsurf is finally sold. Okay, so I heard. This is fun. I heard about this, that the sale got gorked. This is one of the wildest. So what is Windsurf for all those listening?

So for people that don't know, Windsurf was one of what I consider to be like the top three coding IDEs, so development environments. So if you were into AI coding, you probably heard, you may have heard of Cursor, there's Windsurf, there's Klein, there's like, you know, a bunch of them, there's some hosted ones like Glovable and RepLib,

to Bolt and all that. So Windsurf was one of the bigs. They have a crazy story. So they were founded in 2021. They started focusing on GPUs, like a completely different category. They launched in 2024. They decided to pivot and launch into the Windsurf editor.

So, this is November of 2024, okay? Wait, what? Yeah. Holy shit, okay. That's when they launched. Right. And this is the new IDE. And then in April, sorry, they first launched as a different name. They were called

I can't remember what they were called before windsurf, but in april um, they Codium and in april the of 2025 They rebranded to windsurf in april. Okay Then they started really growing. Yeah. And AI Accoding became a thing. They had $100 million by April in ARR, so annual revenue, return revenue.

Holy shit. And then $300 million by June. Jesus. Okay. Got a lot of enterprise customers on board. Then in May, OpenAI attempts to buy them for $3 billion. Yeah, that's what I thought. Because I was like, I heard the news of that falling through.

Right, so what happened is whenever there's one of these acquisitions, they put together essentially a letter of intent and outlining the kind of overarching theme of the acquisition and all of its points, and then you tentatively agree on the kind of structure and skeleton of it all. And then the attorney's gonna work for what, call it three, five months, whatever, to get the deal done.

Now there is an exclusivity, like where if you're gonna, OpenA is gonna buy you for that amount of money, they'll make you sign a non-compete. So you say, okay, well, I'm not gonna shop this deal. We handshake and three billion, good. Well, what happened is they had some sticking points around the negotiation. It stalled.

The exclusivity period lapsed in May, sorry, in July. And then Google comes in, and this is where it's really jacked up, is Google comes in, I gotta give this a nod, like this is a brilliant move, he said, okay, well we actually don't need the whole company, we just want the founding team.

Oh, right, this is what I heard. And so, which really screws all the investors. The entire company. The company and the investors. And so Google pays 2.4 billion for the CEO, key hires, and a non-exclusive tech license, and some of the R&D teams.

So it's basically a licensing and team deal for 2.4 billion. And then a few weeks later, just now, as of like yesterday or today, Cognition acquires Windsurf's remaining IP team, all that stuff, which was 250 plus employees. So, I don't know. I don't think it was a great outcome. Wow, that is the weirdest fucking move.

Yeah, it's really strange. Well, we've entered into this era now where we've seen this with Sam Altman a few times, where, and Zuck, where he's coming in, Zuck's coming in and paying like, you know, if you sign up for four years of joining the AI team, it's like tens of millions of dollars, sometimes hundreds of millions of dollars.

So crazy. For individual talent, because that's how specialized this is. Wow. And so, we've kind of moved into this world of like, it's less about buying, well, at least in a couple cases here. It's less about buying a whole tech team and stack Yeah, yeah, and it's more about just buying a couple buying the brains Yeah, which actually really screwing over investors that back these founders

So how does that work if I'm the CEO of a company and let's say I've raised 200 million dollars from venture capital. And then, oh, this is all, you know what? Honestly, this is now gonna be baked into investment, like investment decks. Yeah, I'm sure it'll be some type of a. Now it'll be like, well, but if you leave, you can't, you know what I mean?

Yes, I know. How does that work? I don't know that they can legally do that because at least in California, there is no such thing as non compete so they don't have They're not enforceable in California, but like if I if I invest I mean wow now. This is crazy like so Let's say you raise 200 million right and you Alex Google comes news is hey listen I know you raise 200 million for your startup, but I'll give you two billion to just or will just give you 50 just to quit Yeah, say I don't like it there anymore, and then we'll hire you the billion to just give you 50 just to quit Yeah, say I don't like it there anymore and then we'll hire you the next day and give you 50

I mean, there's nothing they can do that you're allowed to quit any job you want. Yeah, take a new job Wow Is that crazy fucked up? I know that's fucked up. So but it's kind of like man It's the Wild West is but we're seeing more consolidation on the AI front I think there's gonna be a little kind of snap back Well just hopping around like the pressure the bigs are paying a lot of money There there's a there's a obviously a talent crunch here in terms of like the core contributors to some of these models Yeah, and they're all being snapped up for just outrageous salaries now. I mean, that's ridiculous, but also it's like it's it but I mean is. But also it's like, I mean, is it?

And also it's like, I guess I don't know enough of what goes on under the hood at an AI company to know, like, is that person's knowledge and expertise really that valuable? That's a good question. We should ask AI. We should. Ask Grok. Ask Grok. And be like, Hitler is a good question, and we should ask AI. We should. Ask Grock.

Ask Grock. And be like, Hitler is a very good coder. Oh my god, stop it! God damn it! I love Grock. I thought it was a left turn. No, god damn it, get out of my Tesla. That's so interesting.

So I mean, obviously, the engineers are prized at this point. Can we talk about your last stories for two seconds? Which one? The nude bowling. at this point. So, but can we talk about your last stories for two seconds? Which one? The nude bowling. What's that all about?

Real quick, hey, you want to bowl in the nude in Pennsylvania? There's an event coming up for you. I just love this idea. First off, so essentially there's a group called, hold please, ticka, ticka, da, it's called the Pittsburgh Area Naturalists are hosting a nude bowling event called Balls Out Bowling. Good marketing people. Good marketing people. It's gonna be not fully nude

because of course there will be bowling shoes. Just balls. And women are, first off off you have to be nude to go to the event. No photos or videos please, thank you very much. Women have the option to wear underwear, not bras, but like panties, which is nice of them. I guess. D dudes wear underwear? Dudes cannot, it's called Balls Out Bowling for a reason. You have to be 18 years or older to bowl. And it is a $30 ticket which includes four hours of unlimited bowling plus shoes.

That's actually pretty cheap. That's a good deal. For bowling, that's pretty cheap. Yeah. I never got the nudist thing. Have you ever done nude beach? I've been to nude beaches. I've not been nude.

You're clothed in a nude beach? So there was a beach in San Diego called Blacks Beach. And periodic, and it was Good Surf. It was also a nude beach. So like you could be nude if you wanted to. And we went a couple times, but it was not something I'm interested in. I'm not a big, I'm not an exhibitionist. Are you?

When you Netflix and chilled? I've never done a nude beach. I'm not opposed to it, but I also just like, oh, I don't know, there's something, even with the naked bowling, like, Mal, you've done this shit. Yeah. I knew I just had to kick it over the head. I just had to kick it over the mouth.

Yeah. How do you get comfortable with just your junk? Cause dang it, cause when it's not like. Yeah, it gets normalized pretty quickly. If everyone is nude, it just feels normal and it's not sexualized, it's not weird. Two questions. Yeah.

Very important, because I don't know Two follow up questions from Kevin. And you know about this stuff. You've done a few of the nude things, right? Yeah. Sorry, okay. One, if you're a dude and you don't have anything on. Yeah, it's called nude.

I feel like, do you ever just be like, I should be like half mass because I kind of want to like show a little. No, you don't care? No, again, it gets normalized so quick of like, look, we're all nude. Like you just get over this, like, you sure. I think initially there's like, hee hee hee.

And then it's done. And you just happen over this like, sure I think initially there's like hee hee hee, and then it's done. And you just happen to be nude, and it's normalized, and that's it. What, what, what, why? Well when you talk to somebody. And is it hard, because I would literally just be like, boo boo boo boo boo. Yeah, exactly.

I can't handle myself. So what happens if you walk up to a female, like Ron Burgundy style, and you're sitting there and you're holding a drink and you look down and you're like, oh. Depends on the setting. You're like, does that happen to you? Good morning ladies, how are you?

Ah, boo-bazes. Yeah, probably not cool, depending on the setting. Not cool, yeah, no shit not cool. Go relax somewhere else. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just walk it off. Just don't, like, don't be a creep. Yeah, but I feel like I would, I feel like there's no way I could not be a creep

in that situation. If I was in a room full of hot, naked chicks, I would just be like, I don't know what I'm supposed to do with my hands. Yeah. Like I would just be like, ah, you know, and maybe it is just, that's gonna happen for five minutes and then I'm gonna get over it. It's gonna happen for five minutes. You're just gonna be like, ah, you know, and maybe it is just, that's gonna happen for five minutes

and then I'm gonna get over it. It's gonna happen for five minutes. You're just gonna be overwhelmed, you're gonna be overstimulated, you're gonna be overstimulated to the point where it's impossible to get Romberg indeed. Ah, because people are gonna be like, get away from that guy, he's overstimulated.

Yeah, totally. It's like those dogs that you see when they're like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're like, put the lipstick away, sir. I'm saying the opposite, where there's so much new going on, you will not get hard. Oh, really? There's so much what?

New going on. Newness, newness. There's like, you're overstimulated with like, this is not normal what's going on. As soon as you get over that, one, just don't be a creep, and then two, again, I don't know how to explain this. It just becomes normal.

What is the point? And I don't mean that derogatory. I mean, so if it's not, I guess it's as my lizard brain goes, if I'm in a room with naked ladies, why am I in a room with naked ladies if it's not something that I am like sexually excited about? If I'm not sexually excited about it, why don't we all put our clothes on?

You know what I mean? I can give you two examples. One of my favorite places is Sailing Hot Springs in Death Valley. Oh, Hot Springs makes it. Yeah, Hot Springs. It's weird to wear swim trunks in a hot spring. It's just weird.

The second example is there is a Russian bathhouse, co-ed bathhouse in San Francisco, where everyone has to go through the nude portion to get to the bar. Everyone wears robes in the bar. There's something really nice about like, no one's peacocking like a certain attire or anything. No one has their phones.

Everything is, everyone is just like at this equal level. Is that Archimedes? Archimedes, by the way. Yeah, it was great. Yeah. A few times. What, I love it! I love it!

I'm not doing nude stuff, Kevin! I've never been nude. Wait a minute, Archimedes? Oh, that's, I've been nude many times publicly there. First of all, they don't make you get nude. They do on certain times. They do on Sundays. And it's not mandatory, but this is the thing.

It's so normalized. You're the weirdo if you're not nude at certain hours. Yeah, maybe at certain hours. I mean, I was just in there in swim trunks and I like sit in the hot, I didn't go up to the bar. I was like sitting in the hot area, which is downstairs. Oh, good. Yeah, no, I think the first time I went there,

I was like, I'm gonna go in my stentrunk, that's weird, but as soon as I was there, I was like, I am the weirdo now, but not being nude. Yeah, I should probably go naked next time. I'm fine with it, I'm fine with it. Like, I just don't, I'm like you, I'm like, why? I don't really even.

I'm not an exhibitionist. But there's a comfort in that too. Huh. Ugh. Yeah, I'm not, like I don't even, like, I'm not nude often. In just my day to day. Oh yeah, every night.

Yeah. Yeah, I forgot. I guess that's. But I'm covered. With your covers. Right, they're literally called covers. Yeah, that, I forgot I guess I guess but I'm like, but I'm covered with your covers right that they're literally called covers Yeah, that's fair bowling. Thank you. That's bowling. Yeah. No, no I feel like I would have myself feel like somehow something would be squished. Yeah, and I don't want that I don't know. I feel like bowling would be a have a lot of fun. I feel like you're alright

I'm gonna paint the picture car. I'm gonna paint the picture. I'm gonna paint the picture, you ready? Yeah. You're up. Yeah. Or you're not up. You just went, you sit down, you got your beer, you lean back, it's time for me to go. Oh, okay, nevermind. Think about what you would see in my back splash. And all I'm seeing is your crack.

Crack, nuts. The whole time. Yeah, and your ass is probably hairy. The whole moist areas. Yeah, that's fair. All right, nevermind, I'm out. I'm just saying. I'm out. But Pennsylvania, keep rocking it.

Glad we got to that story. You know what, me too. Kevin, thank you for that. I appreciate it. I'm gonna go Netflix and chill now. Ha ha ha! Oh God. Oh my God, it's the next time.

All right. Domo arigato, Mr. Roboto.