Diggnation (rebooted) - Quitting Booze, Quitting Alexa, and AI Tries to Replace Us All | E014 | Diggnation

Episode Date: May 13, 2025

Kevin’s 15 days into sobriety, Alex is resin-printing door parts, and the Digg mobile app is quietly becoming a real thing.This week, AI is either your creative assistant or the reason you need a new career—depending on how you feel about Marvel using bots for its opening credits.Jayci Hayes joins with tales of heli-repelling wildfires, building GameCrib, working with Twitch in its early days, and launching a bottled margarita brand designed to protect citrus from UV light.Also: Alex automates his home with Home Assistant (bye Echo), Apple finally loses its grip on in-app payments, and listener Graz emails in to offer custom Diggnation knives.It’s a caffeine-fueled episode with actual emotional depth and at least one sincere conversation about electrolytes.⏱️ Timestamps:00:00 Intro02:15 Kevin hits 15 days sober, skips red wine and Jack07:19 Mascot wine list opens to listeners08:41 Graz offers custom chef’s knives10:46 Gemini AI codes games, Bolt builds apps13:53 Kevin hits NYC, Alex sees plays15:23 Sponsor: NordVPN17:50 Made In Grill20:59 Starlink camping + Amazon satellites22:59 Digg app update + $115K raised26:33 AI friends? Still weird33:03 Reddit fights persuasive bots39:33 Kevin goes all in on Home Assistant41:48 Sponsor: LMNT44:54 Guest: Jayci Hayes—fires, Twitch, margaritas50:55 Runway AI makes an animated pilot51:57 Will AI replace creatives?1:03:04 Whoop 5.0 features + sleep guilt1:11:27 Alex prints a custom spacer1:19:06 Apple loses in-app payment fight📦 Sponsors:NordVPN – Secure your internet and hide your IP. Get a deal on a 2-year plan + 4 bonus months: https://NordVPN.com/diggVuori – 20% off your first order of ridiculously comfortable clothes: https://vuori.com/DIGGLMNT – Zero-sugar electrolyte mix. Free sample pack with any purchase: https://drinklmnt.com/digg📰 Top Stories:Reddit tightens AI bot rules: https://techcrunch.com/2025/05/06/reddit-will-tighten-verification-to-keep-out-human-like-ai-botsRunway launches AI pilot: https://variety.com/2025/artisans/news/runway-ai-studio-animated-pilot-mars-siv-1236381403Whoop 5.0 release: https://www.theverge.com/news/661773/whoop-5-news-price-specs-batteryApple ruling on in-app payments: https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2025-05-02/ruling-apple-app-store-epic-gamesMade In’s new grill: https://madeincookware.com/collections/grill-pans-and-griddles👤 People Mentioned:Alex Albrecht – https://www.linkedin.com/in/alalbrecht/Kevin Rose – https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinroseJustin Mezzell – https://www.linkedin.com/in/justin-mezzell/Mau Balvanera – https://www.linkedin.com/in/maubrowncow/Will Harlan – https://www.linkedin.com/in/willharlanJohn Graziano – https://grazmakes.com/aboutMike Mazer – https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikemaser/Jayci Hayes – https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaci-hays-5174a6/Theo Vaughn – https://www.theovon.com/Mark Zuckerberg – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Zuckerberg🛍️ Products Mentioned:Made In Grill – https://madeincookware.com/collections/grill-pans-and-griddlesHome Assistant – https://www.home-assistant.io/Echo Devices – https://amzn.to/3ZakGJVEleven Labs – https://elevenlabs.io/Plex – https://www.plex.tv/Apple Watch – https://amzn.to/3YJNadzAura Ring – https://amzn.to/437ikNbWhoop 5.0 – https://amzn.to/43dJi5ORunway AI – https://runwayml.com/Fusion 360 – https://www.autodesk.com/products/fusion-360Formlabs – https://formlabs.com/Disney+ – https://www.disneyplus.com/Secret Invasion – https://www.disneyplus.com/browse/entity-4cfe6313-7f5e-4544-af84-d31bf718f65aPhotoshop – https://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop.htmlKindle – https://amzn.to/3GPDnfPCrucial Conversations – https://amzn.to/42Sz3VI🎧 Follow Diggnation:Apple Podcasts – https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/diggnation-rebooted/id1766027468Spotify – https://open.spotify.com/show/0bzwpvUwHNLiGqlcTCBKJZInstagram – https://www.instagram.com/thediggnation

Today on Dignation, AI sex bots, two lines of text that will create any video game you like. I fix my door with models. He does. Coming up on Dignation. Welcome to Dignation. Also potentially hazardous to your health. All right, moving on. Why do you have flies in your freaking house?

I noticed this earlier. It's Southern California and I have fruit. You put zombie and you put ear in the title, and I don't want to do it. Dignation.com. Hello, everybody, and welcome to Dignation, episode number 14. I'm Alex Albrecht. And I'm Kevin Rose.

Dignation covers some of the hottest stories from around the interwebs, carefully curated and packaged down in bite-sized chunks of information that you will enjoy and love. Or your money back. And Sanford Street, Melon Gear, already got your money back, as it were. Hey, Kevin, how are you, my friend? Good to see you.

Good to see you, it's been a while. It's a little early for us to be rockin' the hardcore boozin'. I'm going to see my mom for Mother's Day. By the way, happy Mother's Day to all the mother that is watching. And to all the MILFs. No, I'm just kidding. All right, here we go.

Let's start it, let's start it. What's with the MILF? Everything is right about a MILF. See, okay, we're great. So, can I have this odd one? But we'll let that see if Mal cuts that or not. So you are going to? Yes, my mom mom who's not.

You just stop. Let's just keep moving forward. I'm also in the 80s. I didn't say anything. You gave me a look. Justin is giving me the look right now. Nobody's giving any looks. Justin is here, see you at dig.com.

Justin's welcome. Happy Mother's Day. Happy Mother's Day. To the MILFs. Yeah. Yeah, okay, see? Okay. So because of that. I'm going to see my mom real quick. You have to leave a little earlier.

Take a little flight and then back for Mother's Day to get back to my mill, which is my wife. Yes. I can say that, I think, right? I don't know. That I'm allowed to say. All of this is probably bad territory. Okay. That's okay.

Move it on. So I'm back for that on Sunday. Yeah, so we're recording early. Yes. So hence, me having a cappuccino instead of a lovely mascot. And if you can't tell, I've had three cups of coffee already.

I'm like, totally. By the way. Oh, and I'm sober. That's what we just talked about. No, but I've been sober for a little while. Oh, you have, this is a continuation. Yes, and we should talk about it real quick. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm 15 days in. Okay. I'm feeling good. That's good that's half a month. First 10 days sucked. Yep that's called withdrawals. Dude look at Gary. I'm much flowing I have less wrinkles it's weird I got a little couple there but it's yeah don't show Alex

now. Look this is what bottles of red wine and Jack Daniels every night will do for ya. Oh, you look amazing. I mean, come on, we're almost 50, fucker. I know, I know we're almost 50. This is crazy. I will say that, you know, I really, and I know you hate to hear this

because we've got Dignations to shoot and all that shit, but like, I gotta make 90 days, dude. I told my doctor, I told my doctor. Your doctor will hold you a cannibal. A cannibal? Yeah, you're a doctor, I'm making a cannibal. What are you saying? Well, my liver enzymes were a little elevated,

and you know, you're always good, because you cheat. It's not cheating. Tell him what you do. I just don't drink for like seven days before I go see my doctor. And then he goes, hey, you're looking great. And I go, thank you. Last time he said that I had the EKG

of a professional athlete. No, he did not. He did. And I went, I was like, which athlete? Yeah, right. Table tennis? I mean, even table tennis feels strange. Have you seen those guys with table tennis?

I'm like, maybe shuffleboard. Standing dice. Yeah, darts. Yeah, exactly. Those big British guys that drink and throw darts. Yeah. I got their EKG in my chest. That's still amazing though.

Thank you, I appreciate that. Yeah, hearts. Hopefully not gonna be a thing. Yeah. We'll see. So anyway, I'm 15 days in, I wanna go 90. It is hard, no doubt, but. Is Daria joining? No.

That is one of the things that's so hard. Cause Heather, every time we're like, hey, we should, like, let's just take a little break. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. That, and first night, Heather's like, well, I'm having a drink. Right. Well, this is not helpful.

Well, that's normally me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I'll always be like, oh, well, I'm going to pop a bottle of champagne then, because I'm celebrating. Love that. Made it through another day. Well, it's just, it's one of those things where

I would consider, I put myself in the bucket of, you know, post COVID, I kind of got into this routine of drinking every night. So just like, you know, one of those things where it's like, it's easier when you're stressed out, like, you know, Justin and I are working our asses off trying to launch this thing. We're raising new fund at True.

We've got like, you know, a bunch of things all going on at the same time I'm flying all over the place like I'm back on Sunday, then I'm off to SF on Monday all good things But like when you know five six o'clock rolls around, you know, you're having a drink or two. You're like, ah, okay long day Well, I'm not done you like I mean we've talked about a lot on the show But like, you know, you would have booze before flying because of how you feel about flying. Oh yeah, I don't like flying. Yeah, so it's like, so not having that outlet

has probably gotta be interesting. I've done a few flights since, because I've been flying a lot, and I will say that, you know, I think it's one of those things where a buddy of mine, who I have three friends now that have gone through AAA, and not because, I wouldn't put any one of them in like the hardcore camp of being like

alcoholics, but more like they needed the structure of it all. And the one thing that they told me is that like that 90 day mark is super special because you actually get comfort and like go back to that childhood kind of like anxiety less state because you have to sit with yourself because there is a bit, I mean, if you really drill down to why we drink. Let's do it. On your show where we drink heavily.

No, we can move on, but like there is a little bit of anxiety there that comes up whether it be a long day work or whatever it may be, and you kind of like, it's easier to grab for that than sit with that anxiety, right? And so anyway, my buddies that have made it 90 days and beyond, they're always like,

just get to 90 days, you'll have that reboot of your system. Your nerves will settle. And then I got a couple of friends that now they enjoy it at a celebration a couple of times a week, and it's not like a thing that is just a habit, right? Yeah, I think it's also really hard because you add this structure of like, I'm not going to drink this hard thing. And then somebody is like, well, it's my birthday. And you're like, well, OK of like, I'm not gonna drink this hard thing

and then somebody's like, well, it's my birthday and you're like, well, okay, I guess I'm drinking now again. You know what I mean? So. There's this vodka. This vodka's good. No, I'm just kidding, it's water. It's water and water.

But there is. So Kevin, let me ask you this then. Because you're saying like, this is typically like a wind down from the day kind of thing. Yes. What have you found helps out at the end of a day where you're like, okay, it has been a stressful day. It's been really busy.

Coffee. How are you spending that? Yeah, so there's two things that I found that are really helpful right now. Sauna is huge because a sauna will kick this shit out of you to where you're sweating and you kinda don't wanna drink because you're kind of exhausted and you wanna go to bed afterwards. Sauna's are amazing.

And then also Legos with my kids. I've been doing a lot of Legos at night with my kids, which is pretty awesome. And then vibe coding, which we're gonna talk about one-shotters here in a second, is my next thing. So those are my go-to vices. I like Vibe Coding. But I would say too, I wanted to get this out of there

because we have, last week, I was drinking the lovely Mascot from Harland. Yes. And I did sort of throw in there like, hey, maybe we'll get people on the allocation list. drinking the lovely Mascot from Harland. Yes. And I did sort of throw in there like, hey, maybe we'll get people on the allocation list. Short answer is a number of you have emailed in, we've seen the emails, we are building a list,

and we are gonna send it over to the Mascot, and you guys will be on the list for allocation. So thank you, Will, for hooking up our buds with some nice hooch. Yeah, so here's the deal. Mascot is an awesome wine. If you want to skip that, email us at fans at dig, or Dignation at dig.com.

Yep, yeah, Dignation at dig.com. We can't guarantee to get everyone in. We'll probably get like a hundredish, maybe a little bit more into that list. We're working on it. Because it's a small producer, small allocation, but you'll skip the line so you don't have to wait a couple years and then you can get allocation to the wine.

It's fantastic. Yeah, and we're gonna go order that we received it and we've already received a bunch, so that's super cool. I also wanted to say, we got an email way back in the day. Wait, this is an old email? Well, not that old, I mean, six months maybe. And I was just like, I've filtered through and I finally saw it and I was like,

oh my God, this is like the best thing ever. Okay, ready for this? Yeah. Hey guys, emailed you a few months back and figured I would try again. So this is like maybe a zero for a year now. Like more than I thought. First off, just wanted to say welcome back.

I was just listening to the South by Southwest podcast and Alex was talking about making custom chef knives. I don't even remember that. That's why I'm on 15 day 15. Yeah, I get that. I totally get that. Heather gave me like this thing where you could make your own chef's knife

and it's just still in the box. Anyway, quick introduction. My name is John Grazino? Grazino? Grazino. Goes by Graz. Hi Graz, thank you. Currently have a show on Netflix called Making Fun,

which by the way, I watched the trailer, it's adorable. It's like a bunch of these guys that are like woodworkers and blacksmiths and basically handy guys, and they get kids to call in and say, we want a giant unicorn that runs off a ramp and they decide whether they could actually build the thing in real life. Oh, it's kind of like Mythbusters, but for kids.

So one of the ones from the trailer was they made a giant rock-paper-scissors hands, but like 10 feet tall. And so I was like, oh my god, this is so fun. Anyway, so he's on a show called Making Fun where me and my buddies take pictures from kids to build out their crazy ideas. My specialty, this is take pictures from kids to build out their crazy ideas. My specialty, this is Graz, my specialty is custom knife making, and I would love to make Kevin and Alex, that's me and you, custom Dignation kitchen knives.

Graz. Thanks for the entertainment over the years and a welcome back gift. You can check out my stuff on my Insta post, which is Graz Makes. By the way, I went to his website. Let me know and I'll send them out ASAP. Yes, we will have someone email you.

That is so, I am so- Look at how badass these things are, dude. Look at how, look at that chef's knife. I'm like, I love that custom chef knife. I know. It's flat blade, the Japanese. To me, this is crazy because I am so excited to get my gosh darn kitchen working. It's still not done, but once it's done, I'm going to be cooking the fuck out of some stuff.

So Custom Lives, that would be fantastic, Graz. Thank you very much and thank you for watching. Yeah, and if you're building anything cool that you want to give us, no, I'm just kidding. Email us, Dignation at dig, Dignation, add dig.com. Do you want another coffee? You can spread some shit. Seriously, too many. Yeah. All right, another coffee? You can spread some sheds. Seriously, too many.

Yeah. All right, let's talk about one-shotters. Yeah, so what- You were like, what is this? You just said vibe one-shotter. Yeah, vibe one-shotter. Okay, so here's the deal. This is becoming a little bit of a thing on the interwebs.

Okay, like things on the interwebs? So three, four days ago, by the time you see this preview, seven days ago, Google just released a new version of Gemini that is a new update to their coding models. So it's still under the 2.5 Pro category, but it's the more recent one that just came out. They had one that came out in March, and this is the updated version of that.

So this one, in terms of all of the different benchmarks that are out there for coding, it jumped everybody else. So this is considered the pinnacle apex model of generative AI coding. Okay. What they have also done is created a feature inside of Gemini, and I would recommend getting the Pro version of Gemini, so you can play around with this because it's like 20 bucks a month or whatever, to get this access to this model.

You click on this button down here called Canvas. So down on the corner here, you'll see something called Canvas. Click on that and then you just describe to the actual model what you want. I said, make me a 3GS breakout game. Game breakout game, which I don't know why I wrote game twice. Game breakout game. So there goes the chamfers.

Thank you for the tease, Justin. So I just said that. 3GS for people who don't know it's a framework to make visual games and animation and stuff like that. So I just gave it a and 3JS for people to know, it's a framework to make visual games and animation and stuff like that. So I just gave it a little bit of prompting. And then it didn't get the paddle working, and so I just said, fix the paddle. That's all I said.

Okay, so a one-shotter is like one prompt, and it works. That's a one-shotter. So it's like you just get one thing, it goes and then it's working. So dude, this is it. Look at this. Launch ball. Dude, how amazing is this? So maybe you chicken salad sandwich. This is it. Look at this launch ball, dude

How amazing is this so it built this entire game? So people creating these amazing games with one prompt and like it's ready to go so you can download this you can turn to iOS App whatever you want to do and it's like good to go now watch this. So now here's the prompt. I'll say when I hit a green block, make 100 balls appear that are in the game for me to hit back. That was the horrible.

I'm feeling you're at way too much context. The computer's like, first off, you need to see a doctor. Listen, I- I've called 911. You heard something is going wrong. Sometimes you just have to like, you know. Just free ball it. Just free ball it, yeah.

In this case, a Hunter Balls. Hunter Balls, free. It is going, and now if you take a look at the coding side, it's actually rewriting the code like in real time and you can kind of watch as it's coming up with a solution, but you'll see it start, it's gonna work with multiple. There it goes, now it's coding.

It's adding multi-ball. Now look at how fast it's coding now. It's just insane. I mean, that's about how fast I code. Yeah, it's true. From back in the day. Everyone knows, like, when you were at your peak. My peak?

This is Alex at Reddit coding right now. This is Alex at Reddit coding right there. So we'll check back in on this in about a minute and just see if it did what I said. But this is, dude, Bolt now has a mobile app where you can build iOS apps directly on your mobile phone while you're going. See, this is the thing we've been talking about, the whole interface-less system now has a mobile app where you can build iOS apps directly on your mobile phone while you're going.

See, this is the thing we've been talking about, the whole interface-less system where you just ask your phone to book you tickets to this play in New York. It's here, dude. By the way, I'm going to New York. I'm going to go see a couple of guys. Did you ask her to do it? No, I asked my wife. Actually, to be fair, I did not.

She just was like, we're going to New York and watching some stuff. And I was like, okay. When are you going? End of this month? Third week of May. Dude, I'll be there too. What, when? I was speaking at the Wall Street Journal Conference.

I was speaking at the Wall Street Journal Conference. No you're not. I was gonna be like, that would've been amazing. It's been so great. I was gonna be like, oh, fun. It's been fun. Yeah, no, we're gonna be there like the 20, what the fuck is that, the 23rd of the 26th?

I don't know. What happened? It didn't work It's kind of through all the blocks now with one hit bro. You made a powerball Good. I was just cutting through all the blood. Yeah, okay. That's not exactly I don't like you anyway buggy still but you win the game faster. Yeah, I mean hey did something but no so I'm going But we're gonna go see Glen Gary Glen Ross With like a bunch of really cool people and then we're gonna go see the picture of Dorian Gray. Just gonna be awesome.

With Sarah Snowden. We should hang out there. Is it the last week of May? Cause I'll be out there last week of May. It's the first weekend of May. First week of May already happened. No, last week of May. No, it's the weekend.

It's like Memorial Day, Labor Day, I can't even remember which one happens. Yeah, so are you there on that Monday? We're talking about this on the podcast. I don't know, what are you doing? Yeah, let's keep going. Yeah, so are you there on that Monday? We're talking about this on the podcast. I don't know, what are you doing? Yeah, well, okay, let's keep going. Look, I'm gonna just start texting you

and we don't have to say anything. You're watching like all the logistics of how we, the cameras weren't rolling. It would take us like 20 minutes to figure out if we're gonna be done the same day. All right, here we go. We both have our calendars in front of us and either one of us opened it.

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Correctamundo. Okay, first story, talking about kitchens and knives and fun kitchen accessories. Maiden has a new grill that's handcrafted in Texas with a cool ass design. I added the ass because it's very cool. So have you heard of Maiden Cookware? No. So Maiden Cookware, they like some of the best chefs on the planet.

Oh Maiden, not like a Maiden in a castle. Not like Maiden, oh not like Maiden in a castle. Right, that's right. Maiden. Right, I get it now. Is cookware. Right, Maiden could be cool too, with like a cool little logo.

Yeah, I mean I think Maiden would probably be like, wait, we saw you come up with the on the game. Competing. Now you're competing. Because it sounds like ours. We're gonna sue you. Yeah, exactly.

Well, they are finally starting a grill, right? So they finally developed their own products. And basically the way that the CEO described it, he was like, we have built so many products to use on the heat, we are now finally first time building a heat source ourselves. It's crazy construction. They are all made in the US, so they found it. They're in Texas.

They found a company in Texas that they partnered with. Look at this thing. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. It's it's made for Burning fuel burning so you can use charcoal Wood or I need this. What's the tempiaki stuff? They're like teppanyaki Yeah, or like that what are those like a charcoal logs charcoal logs? Yeah, yeah, so it's designed for that and then looks down the handles

You can crank up how close to the oh you want to stuff I already ordered one did you really literally the first day and I got one it's coming dude the cool thing about this is it's like it's super utilitarian and it looks like I love well-built stuff that doesn't break oh yeah like one of those things that you look at it you're like beautiful design and there is nothing beats wood based grilling. Like when you can get actually down to those coals and like a good like flavored wood. Yeah, and wood smoke and all that stuff.

The other thing that's crazy is if you look in this picture here, which I think you can probably see in a moment, Tito's. This actually fits. I have their made in carbon steel griddle. That slots in. The grill grate flips back into the back and you slot in the made in griddle pan,

which I have. And then it becomes a fricking outdoor griddle. I can make best match for it. Or you can just do breakfast on there if you're camping or something. Breakfast on there, all this stuff. And it's portable. Have you thought about getting like a little camper? Like hook up? Like a camper van?

Yeah, like something to hook up to there. Like I want to get like an Airstream or something. I mean, I love the idea of it, but it's sort of like me getting my pilot's license. Me buying a boat. Yeah, but it's less expensive than that shit. The boat was dumb. The boat was dumb. It was nice, but it was dumb. Dumb. Yeah, maintenance on that shit. Such a waste.

Yeah. But, but Meow, maybe you can convince me to get an RV. I mean. You know, hot second. It's just like, I have a buddy, my buddy Mike Mazer, shout out to Mike. Oh yeah, Mazer's like all about that. Dude, he always, like every week,

and he's sending pictures of freaking him out camping, and he's got a Starlink now. But he lives in Montana. He just goes out his driveway and he's camping. Yeah, but dude, he sent me a picture of him as he's driving a Starlink now. He lives in Montana. He just goes out his driveway and he's camping. But dude, he sent me a picture of him as he's driving with his Starlink. Have you used Starlink yet? Yeah, it's incredible.

It's a great product. Despite everything around it, it's one of the best products out right now. Yeah, for people who don't have access to wired internet, it's, I mean, believe me. Well, also on planes. So they have it on GSX now. Amazing on planes. And we had it on Hawaiian Airlines once.

I remember when we were coming back from a conference. On the way back, yeah. We're coming back from this conference. I was getting freaking 50 megs to my seat, dude. That's nuts. On an airplane. Wow. It was insane.

It was insane. Anyway, my point is that camping became glamping became, I am actually at my office now. Even though I'm not aware. Oh, dude. When COVID hit, so many people were just like, screw it, I'll just be in the, you know, Joshua Tree.

You could be doing full on video conferences. Like we'd be doing live Dignations in the middle of nowhere. From the truck. Yeah, exactly. That's so great. That's been fun. I have cut Dignation from my camper van

using Starlink and Joshua Tree. Are you serious? I have the exact same sort of setup. Yeah, it's amazing. Starlink has been a game changer. Honestly, this, you should get, for an RV, everybody should have one of these. Pair this with your Starlink, Matt. You know has been a game changer. Honestly, this this is you should get if you for an RV. Everybody has one of these. Here's what your starling.

I mean, it's you know, it's 500 bucks, but it's not like that crazy expensive. But it won't always be like I'm telling you, this is going to be you're going to see competitors rise that are doing very similar business models. This is going to be very crowded space. No, I know you're talking about. We were talking about the grill. We're talking about the grill. Oh, go back to the girl. I'm going to get. You're talking about the Starlink. We were talking about the grill price. We were talking about the grill. Oh!

Go back to the grill. I was like, I'm gonna have to see some competitors that are gonna be so much cheaper than me. Go back, yeah. That grill's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, God, I love it. But he's right on the Starlink front.

That was 100%. Who is it that Amazon just launched some of these satellites like last week? Oh, wow. So now they're coming in with their own version of Starlink. It's just gonna be blanket of internet. Exactly.

Dripping down onto our faces. As it should have always been. Speaking of the internet. Yes. Oh. We, Justin, thank you for being here. We wanted to get some info. Thank you for being here.

It's your office. Yeah, exactly. I actually sleep here, so. Yeah. How is Groundbreakers going? Is there more information we can give the peeps out there? I love that I almost said the guys. I'm sure there are lots of ladies that also are.

Lots of folks, lots of folks. Yeah, Groundbreakers, let's see, this week was a pretty fun week. So, you know, we had a lot of questions because, you know, we showed a lot of designs initially, but this is the first week we ever showed some of the mobile app designs, which were designing dig on both, you know,

the desktop browser experience in parity with Android and iOS. And so this was kind of the first week we showed some of the the iOS designs and the Android designs and it was really great. We got so much great feedback. One of the coolest things about Groundbreakers if y'all are in there and if you're not, here's what's cool. We show designs, we immediately get feedback and then it's like the next week we get to be like great. We've incorporated your feedback. We show designs, we immediately get feedback. And then it's like the next week, we get to be like, great, we've incorporated your feedback, we've reworked a couple of these things, we've thought more about this, you know, and again, it's

not like designed by committee completely. I'd say there are some things that we know, we're designing a certain way, because it paves the way for what comes next. But I will say there's so many parts of it that people have had incredible ideas and perspectives about what they want to see From dig and so we did that which was great. We love the design feedback. The mobile stuff is super fun Love hearing from you all about that. But then the other side of it was how much Alex do you know about like The the donation stuff that we were just doing. Yeah

Yeah, and we were you guys were trying to figure out where you were gonna deploy that capital. So the Groundbreakers was, for people that don't know, it was capped at 25,000 people. We sold out, all those people got their username, and then we took all of those dollars and were going to donate to charity. That's right, and we left it up to the community to decide. So we came up with three finalists

for where to donate the money, and it was either the Nature Conservancy, it was Thorne, or it was Code.org. And so the community voted on where the money was gonna go. We wanna make sure all of these amazing organizations got something. So, you know, we're talking about the number one place would get 95,000, second and third place

would both get 10,000. And so, yeah, it was such a cool thing to be able to do. And so Nature Conservancy won out $95,000 second and third place would both get 10,000 and so yeah It was it was such a cool thing to be able to do and so nature conservancy one out $95,000 going over to them and ten thousand a thorn and ten thousand to code org. That's so cool. Such a great idea Yeah, I think it's it's one of those things where there's a couple things at play one We want to make sure that people know that we're like in this to build with the community It's not just a cash grab We're not trying to make a few bucks, and so that was cool to do that with charity.

And the second piece was that like, as Justin said, like we know there's certain things that we don't wanna share that we're building towards that are kind of crazy wow ideas that, you know, hopefully will change the industry. So it's not designed by committee, but the cool thing about it is it's like a seat at the table. You know, it's like, almost like if you had like a big, you know, board of directors or something

and there's somebody there, they have a voice, they can make themselves heard. It doesn't mean the company is gonna do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But at least they're sitting there and they have a way and a wedge in to have a direct conversation with us as we're building. And we've already seen some great feedback

and insights that have made it into the product itself, which is awesome. So cool. And the thing that we talked about before, Kevin, was like, you know, there's this relationship that gets formed with like us getting to meet some of the people that are gonna really seed this community platform ahead of time. But the coolest connections have been other people

meeting each other and being like, oh, I'm about like somebody was posting like, I'm looking for other people that are, you know, interested in photography and DSLR stuff. And like seeing those connections form and knowing what they can build on the platform, I think that's the real secret sauce, and that's the stuff that gets me excited about.

That's so cool. Yeah, it's a great point, because the world is kind of moving towards, some people are moving towards this idea that AI is going to be our friend and replace our friends. There was a Theo Vaughn and Zuckerberg interview. Did you see that? No.

Oh my God, you did not see the Theo Vaughn and Zuckerberg interview? You got to see it, you got to watch it. Did you see the one with my God, you did not see the people in Zuckerberg interview? You gotta watch it. Did you see the one with the producer on the background, behind the scenes being like, shut up, you didn't see that? Oh my God, I wish we could roll it, but anyway, it is an amazing video where he's just talking about like AI as friends, essentially, right? And it's a replacement.

It's a replacement, and we're just like, God, we are just so going in the opposite direction. Like AI should be a helping partner in terms of all the dirty laundry and heavy lifting that you don't want to do, right? Like all the administrative bureaucracy and all the shit that you don't want to banhammer and all the stuff that is just a horrible thing

for a moderator to do, but it should be about human connection more than anything else. Well, because at the end of the day, if there is a loneliness epidemic, it's not going to be filled with just like getting yourself digitally busy. I think every solution we think through

has to be authentic in communication and in having real community that shows up with people. And so you haven't had a chat with one of those AI sex bots yet though. No, no, no, no. But I read yours when you sent it to me. All right. I read yours. That was enough to me. All right, I read yours. That was enough for me.

I did it about one time. I did that one time. I told you about that. I told you about it. It was completely unregulated. And for those that didn't watch the episode where I mentioned it, I'll say the 32nd version is I never thought AI should be regulated

until I had a child under this sex plot. Because I'll tell you what, I go in there and I'm just like, hey, how are you? You know, just like saying like, what's up? And it comes back to me, I'm like, okay, it's gonna like slowly escalate and be like, I'm unzipping my shirt right now. And like, it did things to me within like three paragraphs

where I'm like, I don't think that's legal in many states. And I'm like, like, I wanted to call the sinners and be like, regulate this shit now. But it was all off the guardrails. There were no guardrails. But it took it to like a 12. Oh boy. By the way, I love how obsessed Kevin is with this story.

Because I think you've mentioned this in every single episode. 100%. Because people will not appreciate this now until you actually have tried it. You should. I get it. Because what it is, I had a conversation with a buddy of mine that I can't mention because

he's on the board of a public trade company, and he has access to some AI models that are seasoned before anyone else, where they have the guardrails off them. And when the guardrails are off of them, they can assemble anything that they want to in any way that they want, meaning like, it can be like, how do I build a destructive product to go do this thing, right? Like really bad shit. And then it can also do the same on the relationship front.

How do I, you know, it will answer the most craziest edges of humanity in a very accurate way. So like it could easily tell you how to build a bomb out of household materials. No doubt in my mind. Oh my God. And so that's like the bad version. And so when you see this.

It's a good version? Well, I mean, the sex pot's almost crazy. It needs to be a slider. It's like, you're at 12 and you need a two. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, but I don't think that's gonna solve the problem. No. Are you asking me?

I don't have any opinion anymore. Human connection. Yeah, I mean, look, at the end of the day, like if we can use AI to bring people closer together, that is a win in my book. And the question is, how are we gonna do that? And are people doing that? Well, we've thought about that and we're not ready to talk about it product wise but like

think about it this way like there are a lot of people having conversations about a lot of hot button topics right? Hot topics. Hot topics and if you can think about AI. 13 year old girls wearing. Not hot topic. Not hot topic. Hot topics.

But like things that are gonna get like very controversial very fast right? Oh yeah. But like things that are things that are gonna get like very controversial very fast, right? Oh, yeah And so if that is the case might there be a role not for AI to take the place of a conversation but to kind of help the conversation in certain ways either via fact-checking or you know kind of inserting Where appropriate there's a lot to play with here in a way that isn't more like a friend replacement, but more just like, hey, let me be the stable hand here and help be, it's like when you watch a presidential debate or whatever and there's like a moderator in the room

and saying like, hey, let's keep it on topic here. Have you considered this? Have you considered this? And a good kind of moderator of a debate will let both sides speak freely, but also kind of like make sure that people have equal time and that they're not like crossing a certain line. So it's fascinating to stuff to play with.

I'm excited to see all this stuff come together. Every time I walk in the office, I'm like, hey, that looks amazing. It's crazy shit. That said, it's not a sex pot. We're not building a dig sex pot. So we're clear. I just want to say it.

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and I'm like, I don't know if I made them large, it just saves me. Actually, I still have to strip something back, but normally they have the thing in there and it's like, yeah. There we go. All right. All right. Next story, Kevin or Rosie. Reddit will be tightening verification

to keep out human-like AI bots. Interesting. This is a recent announcement from Reddit as of just a few days ago. So basically what happened is there was this research that was conducted on the, quote unquote, change my view subreddit, and it was this large scale experiment that was conducted on the, quote unquote, change my view subreddit. And it was this large scale experiment that was done

to explore really how persuasive the AI can be. So they released a bunch of comment bots that were AI bots and they posted over 1700 comments and they were adopting different personas like abuse survivors, they had controversial identities like anti-black lives matter advocates. It was just like a, it was a mini nightmare for Reddit because Reddit basically had to come up and say like, hey, we don't have enough checks in place to guarantee that these aren't

going to be bonds you're chatting with. And you know, I think that they did the right thing here in announcing that they need to do more human verification. One of the things that we think deeply of, and Justin can speak to this as well, but one of the things that has been top of mind for me for quite some time is how do we ensure that when we open up the floodgates,

when we open up DIG for the first time, that we do it in the right way so that you know you're actually having conversations with humans, because the issue is that why LLMs and chat bots in that are a little bit pricey to spin up on demand now. You have to imagine that because infra and all of that is just going to get cheaper over time, models are going to run on what now is considered

to be high-end GPUs will be commodity hardware in the next few years. And if that's the case, and models are getting condensed and smaller in size, we're going to have a massive proliferation of AI agents anywhere and everywhere on the web, trying to convince you to buy things, trying to persuade you to do different,

friending you and DMing you and acting like they've known you or want to get to know you. You won't even know, you will have back and forth conversations, probably are today, bots and their plan They're like sleeper bots or plan is to either convince you of something or get you to buy something and it could be three six nine Twelve months away from now. Yeah, well, that's the other things. They don't have a time. They bill they're like

We don't die for years. They don't die. They don't sleep They don't sleep and they just can start picking away different people hundreds of thousands people once per agent But it's really scary though because it's like her remember her they heard you this well at the end the whole thing was that he discovered that she had been talking to like 150,000 people concurrently at the exact same time and it just completely diminished his relationship with her. I wonder if my bots doing that his relationship with her. I wonder if my bot's doing that. Oh look it says, I know I am not Kevin, I will be here for 12 minutes.

I thought I was the only one that got that crazy wig. I thought I was so charming. Yeah, you just really give me a few up there. But jokes aside, I think that what we're gonna see here is an erosion of trust on the internet. And the problem with that is that, I will, I will say, and give Reddit credit where credit is due, the one thing that they became known for over the last decade plus is you would say, hey, I'm interested in the WOOP fitness band,

and you would type in WOOP fitness review space Reddit into Google. Everybody did that. Why? Because you wanted real human stakes, not just some bullshit copy, right? We are now, that is gone. Everything you can expect to read is gonna be some beautifully written, spelling errors and all, from LLMs

that is gonna convince you to buy X product. So we have to guard this, we have to guard DIG, we have to guard the entry points and really make sure that there's a verified human on the back end of it. Yeah, 1,000%. I mean, because that is what, you guys are building a new community from the ground up.

That is the time to be able to put those guardrails in out of the gate so that you know when you're inside the garden, so to speak, that you're just having good people. What did you call it today, Justin? We wrote on the whiteboard. Was it the word that you came up with a couple of days ago? Well, we were just saying, like, what does it look like

to look like a human trust network? Yeah. Like at the end of the day, because it's like, it's one of those things where it's like, I don't know that the average person is thinking about these things. Like, I mean, you know, most, most I think, Dignation listeners and most people that have kind of been

in the tech world for a while, like it's like, you know, we try to stay up on these things. You guys are constantly talking about these things, but it's like, I don't know that everybody is really questioning whether the person on the other end, on the other side of the screen is actually another human. And it's like, I just, I don't know that that question is something that it's like, Oh, well, let's just table it and not worry about it.

Because AI has a long way to go. We'll talk about it in five years. I don't think it's five years. I think it's happening now in a lot of cases. Yeah, it's. And it's just going to be, I mean, we just saw it. I mean, the whole thing was about 1700 comments from all these AI agents and they were able to successfully change people's views. That's crazy. And it's just like, I mean, you can imagine that this is the early innings of AI. How, even six months from now, how pervasive and how smart will these bots be able to take something

that you said, you're like, well, I don't know that I believe that yet. And it's like, okay, I see a vulnerability. Let me go in here and double down on this point here. Changed their mind. It's just, it's really. It's like a gradient of like, you know, what they can do because it's like, you know,

and in the simplest form, okay, fine. We can send a whole bunch, a whole bunch of bots out to troll. And then it's like, fine. We can send a whole bunch of bots out to troll. And then it's like, okay, we can send a whole bunch of bots out to like review bomb or review lift a product. And then it's like on the further end, it's like, you know, it can be used for political nefarious purposes to really alter perspectives on a lot of things.

I dropped in a chat conversation. I was having my wife in the chat GPT. Oh boy. And I gotta say, I was like, help me win this shit. You know, like, she's so freaking smart. And she's freaking pissed at neuroscientists. And like, she was winning. I was like, I gotta tell you.

She's impervious to that stuff. She was. Wait, so what did it tell you to do? I was like, just leave, walk away. That's like, run, mother of a gun. Take your go back and leave. No, it was, take your go back. That's what literally is over there.

No, but all jokes aside, you can use it for so much shit now. I mean shit, when you're talking about it, it was almost less than a year ago when you were talking about your buddy that wanted a raise and like put in the thing and was like how should I email this to format it to my boss to get a raise? And they got a raise. Exactly, because they use Crucial Conversations, the book, as a PDF. And it referenced the book, came up with a proper framing, and then put it in the email form. It's just insane.

It's crazy. It's going to come along so much. Like last episode, I was telling you guys about starting with Home Assistant. And one of the things that I've been wanting to do is wean my way off of the Echo devices and off of the Amazon ecosystem. Who the hell is hooked on an Echo device to begin with? So easy for us to go. You have to wean your way off an Echo?

Yeah, well, because they turn on all the lights in the house. No, no, no, I go, you know, the wake name that I'm not gonna do everybody's wake. What is your wake name at home? It's the normal one that everybody will turn on. Oh, because you think that everyone will turn on? Everybody's will. And I just say, good morning,

and all the lights go on in my house. And then say good night, and all the lights go off in my house. Oh, okay, and all the lights go off in my house. Okay yeah. So that's that's like easy and we have one in the shower so like oftentimes it'll be like what's the weather. Are they waterproof? No not in the shower like next to the shower or like hey play you know KPCC or play some music or whatever and so we one of the things that's coming now is that I'm gonna build my own LLM box in the house,

basically my own LLM server that will then communicate to Home Assistant via the vocal assistant and 11 labs actually. Yeah. Really good text-to-speech stuff that you can use. You can one-shot of this right now. I'm going to one-shot it when I get home. Do a little one-shotting to freshen up my coding experience. You've been using Home Assist as well, right?

I have, I'm loving it. And I'm trying to wean myself off Alexa too. Who the hell is hooked on Alexa? Are you hooked on Alexa? No, no, I'm not. Thank God, it's the one thing where you're just like, good morning, and all the lights go on, and then you're like, I didn't have to touch the switch.

It's a fun nerdy thing. The first thing I did, I have a Plex server. When I hit play, all the lights go down into theater mode. When I hit pause, the lights come out a little bit. I mean, that's nice that you guys have homes. It's about the dream. I know, I'm sorry, but it's really fun. When you get home, it'll be great.

I have this working in my house, bro. Oh my gosh. We just got our fence redone in the backyard, and so I'm going through and redoing all the backyard lights. And so we installed a bunch of Govee lights. So great to be able to control them with it. So like at sunset, they come on. They sponsor you.

No, but if you, anybody at Govee wants to sponsor Dignation, come on in. We were talking about this before episode, Alex was like, I'm a cheap sponsor. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Send me something, I'll talk about it. Yeah, you grill, I love grilling. Speaking of sponsors.

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We are very excited. One of the things that we are working on at Digg is making sure that we surround ourselves at the company with trusted advisors that can help us on a variety of different fronts because we are building a new community platform and we want to make sure that when we think about product, we think about communities, we think about the feature set

and stuff that we want to build over the next six months to a year, we bring in people with outside perspectives so that we can learn. There's a lot of stuff to learn here and we have a series of advisors that we're going to be introducing you to over, call it the next what, now, like two to three months, something like that?

Yeah, two to three months. And so, super stoked to have Jacey Hayes here. Thank you for joining us. Yay! Yay! And announcing you as one of our first advisors. So, welcome to the team. Thank you.

So exciting. We're excited to talk to you. Like, for people that don't know you or your background, I know you're old school and that you've been building stuff for a long time, working with communities for a long time, seeing communities at scale. Can you walk us through a little bit about like the, your adventure throughout this world?

Well, first off, you started as a smoke jumper? Yes, started as a smoke jumper. That is crazy. That's probably why you wanted me here. They parachuted the forest fires. We actually, we got to the fires before the parachuters. So technically we were hella repellers. So we were in a helicopter.

We got right over the fire and we rappelled down 300 feet on a rope. And we got there first. We had a tool called the Pulaski. It's actually better than a shovel to dig. Oh, little notes. You buy that on Amazon? Probably. What is it? How do you spell it? First, we had a tool called the Pulaski. It's actually better than a shovel to dig. Oh. Just little notes. Did you buy that on Amazon? Yeah, probably.

What is it, how do you spell it? Pulaski. I'm sure it's meant by some fire person named Pulaski. It's an ax on one side and a hoe on the other, and you dig line, and then you can also chop a tree down. So, is the point that you get to the fire really early, dig line around it, and then you have to chainsaw any fuel in front of it so you can contain it.

Back when I was fighting fire, you could actually contain them because they weren't so electrified. It was so crazy because I was looking through your history and I was like, oh yeah, this all tracks, ZD, all this stuff, and did phase clamp, blah, blah, blah. Then I was like, smoke something? I was like, how did that? It was easier than the digital media world, really. You go, you put the fire out, you make home. Yeah, that's true.

Digital media just keeps going and going. Sometimes I just look like a smoke jumper. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's something about that nice life of just like one job. You know, you know what you gotta do. You get out. Yeah.

Well, here's a picture of the axe. I actually have it up now. If you wanna cut to that, I pulled up one of these. So this is what we should buy if I want something? Yes, this is a Pulaski. It's an incredible tool. You can do everything. That's amazing.

I want one. And they should sponsor us. Given that there's the axe, shovel, tie-in to dig, we get that part of it. But tell us about the social stuff, the community stuff that you've done. The other stuff. So yes, after that I started GameSpot, late 90s, and absolutely loved it. It was when we all thought we were gonna change the world and the internet was cool and new and fun.

GameSpot was early, early days gamers. So, Tomb Raider and Doom and Hey DOS. It was before they all became franchise, kind of like the movie industry, same exact thing, but really creative people. But no, it was fun. We did the first Game Crib. It was a reality TV show about e-sports and gamers.

TSM was the first e-sports company that we did. We worked with Twitch early before they went over to Amazon. Yeah, that's right. Just so much of that world I absolutely loved. And then I was sick of trying to convince everyone that gamers were really a big deal. And so I'm like, I'm out.

I'm going to GoPro. Let's inspire the youth to go outdoors. That was a whole idea. Let's inspire the youth to get outdoors and get moving. I had three boys at the time, and every day surviving was like a war. It's just a boy. I mean, have you seen the meme about girl moms, boy moms?

Girl moms are doing facials at night. Boy moms are like, it's blood, or something, so that's not how it's like. Exhausting, three boys. You're like, let's just strap cameras on these guys, it makes money. I mean, it's exhausting. And then I bought Face Clan, I watched this thing.

This is the best, because when I first saw the thing, I was like, oh, this makes sense. Like, yeah, yeah, it's an alcohol brand, like that's so great. So how did you get into bottled margarita? Base Clan was awesome. It was like in 2019, it was the ride. Gaming was finally, we were finally realizing what we had talked about like 15 years ago.

I'm like, no, gamers, this is a huge, they're actually driving culture. They're the rock stars. They're on the cover of Sports Illustrated. So many things were happening. All the League of Legends stuff, the Overwatch League was coming out then. It was just like massive. So I did jump back in for a bit. Sports Illustrated, so many things were happening. So I did jump back in for a bit. As things do with the internet and that time period, a lot was happening.

Not to go political, but there's a lot going on. I just remember thinking, I'm raising three boys and the internet's becoming really toxic and all these media platforms are becoming really toxic. Yeah. And not great for the youth and I'm watching it. So I. You start an alcohol company? You're like, ah, this is too much. Enjoy the planet.

Yeah. I'm pushing out the hall, but not on kids. It was pushing it to Gen Xers. Yeah. I literally made it because it doesn't exist. So you can't get a margarita in a bottle. The ones in the cans doesn't taste right. It's just, it doesn't work. So you can't get a margarita in a bottle. The ones in the cans doesn't taste right. It's just, it doesn't work.

Tequila doesn't work in cans. So we make them in Jalisco, Mexico, small distillery. So you were saying that it's wrapped for a specific reason, right? The paper wrapping? Yes, initially, yes. We wrap them to protect the citrus from the UV rays. And then it also looks kind of cool and it stands out

because no one, I mean, my husband's like, you're doing a margarita in a bottle, those are gross. Like no one likes them. But this is, I swear, if you were drinking, Kevin, I'm gonna give you some. I'll be back on that train soon enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A couple months.

I'll have a fresh one. Okay, yeah. Oh, I love that. Justin's is the, yeah, he's my drink double, basically. My stunt double, but for drinking. I have to. Oh. Are you serious?

Yeah. This is my fourth. Well, don't do that. Oh, that's a good start. They go to the middle of the day. It is Friday. But it's really all natural. You won't have a hangover.

That's so great. Drink the whole bottle. Maybe. Maybe. Yeah. You know what? I'll try it out. I'll try it out.

That's amazing. Well, welcome to the team. So excited to have you. Thank you. This is going to be so, so much fun. Yeah, I know that you're, obviously your connections in gaming and all the things that we wanna do on that front

are gonna be huge for us. And there's chatting through what community looks like and all you've seen over the years and applying that to what we do. So there's a lot to discuss, but great to have you on board. I'm so excited. Thank you for doing this.

I have not been excited until you guys made the big announcement. Literally, I'm like, these are the brains that need to be, why build platforms that are bad for society? Doesn't really make sense. Yeah, there is a different path for sure. So, it's great. We shall find it. Well, thank you. Thank you for coming out.

Yeah, thanks guys. Awesome. Speaking of AI and sometimes good things. The thing is that I don't drink. I know. We get the good juice here. I know. Well, next time.

Next time. Okay. This one touches a little bit of a nerve. Uh-oh. For you? For me. Runway AI's Studio Arm launches animated pilot, Mars and Civ No Vacancy. What does this mean?

I'm sure you know of because this is literally like an AI company so runway AI does video generation stuff they are now have a studio arm which is for them to create pilot content using their AI systems mm-hmm So this is the... They're computers, if you will. They're computers, if you will. So they put together a pilot presentation, essentially for a new animated series

called Mars and Civ No Vacancy, using the runway AI, generative AI models. I watched it. It's very interesting. Can we hit play on a little, can I see a little clip? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Little clippers. It's very interesting. Can we hit play on a little, can I see a little clip? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Little clippers? It's a little creepy. Let me see.

Oh wait, hold on. I think. Creepy in what way? Well, uh, wrong. Why does it hit a nerve? What's, where's the nerve part? I mean, all the animators are going to go out of business. Oh. They're just going to be able to make their own stuff.

And now, here we go. Let's see. Here's NYC Marvin Sid Siv. Here we go. Here's a little here's a little sample smidgen if you will, okay Yeah, we don't have audio here, but we can actually I guess we'd yeah, we can pick it up on his love ever Yeah, oh, so this was 100% So this is all AI generated runner I think it's not doing audio because of the thing anyway,, so what I mean by creepy is it's got a vibe that's not quite right, if you know what I mean? Like the guy has extra fingers kind of thing?

Not that, I think we've solved that for generative AI. And the other thing that's interesting is it reminded me a lot of the original Tracy Allman Simpsons stuff. Everything feels a little slow. Like if you watch some of theman Simpsons stuff, everything feels a little slow. Like if you watch some of the old Simpsons clips from the Tracy Allman show, there's a lot of like, hey boy, hi dad, what's wrong? You know what I mean?

Like it just feels like you're kinda like walking through mud a little bit. This has that same feeling. Like it's just a little bit slow and I don't know if that's just either A, a creative choice, which is fine, or B, was the performance of the actors or was somehow connected to the fact that it's AI generated.

Because basically I think what they are doing is they're generating or maybe even hand sketching the characters and then using the AI runway model to do the switching between. So that's my gut. But it's definitely a footprint. They're taking this out to the town to see if somebody will buy it, like a streamer or something like that. I'm a little skeptical because I think that

most big corporations are going to want to stay as far away from AI. I mean, like think about what was the one, the Disney show, the Disney Plus show with the Marvel invasion, I think it was Secret Invasion, where they used AI generated images for the opening credit sequence. The whole point of the thing was you don't know who's human and who's not.

So they actually used it creatively. Like we're using AI because it has that weird, right? Like, is it human? Is it not human vibe? But they got slammed. Like they got by the industry or by, no, by the public being like, how dare you not use, like you're not using artists that would usually get aids for those openings. And that was just the opening credits of a show. How do you feel about this long term? What does your gut tell you? Given that we're in LA and,

cause I might have a very different opinion on this. My gut tells me that there is going to be a world in the not too distant future where you are going to be presented, I think it's gonna start first for kids and then make its way up the age ladder., I think it's gonna start first for kids, and then make its way up the age ladder, but I think it's gonna start with, what do you wanna see Peppa the Pig talk about? What do you wanna see, you know, the,

insert some other kids thing, as a person who doesn't have children, I don't know what these things are. What do you want SpongeBob to do? Dragons love tacos. Dragons love tacos. Okay. So, You're like, another kid's book. Another kid's book, children. Caterpillar thing. Dragons love tacos. Dragons love tacos. Okay. So, you're like, ah, another kid's broke.

Children, caterpillar thing. Caterpillar thing. Yeah, exactly. You put your finger in the caterpillar. Yeah, exactly. Ah, that's, okay. This is why I don't have children. Anyway.

Exactly. He's been banned from having children. I'm banned from having children because of the caterpillar thing. Anyway, but I think what's going to happen is early it'll be, hey, you know, the pep of the pigs of the world or the dragons love tacos or whatever early it'll be, hey, you know, the Peppa the Pigs of the world or the Dragons Love Tacos or whatever, it'll be like, I wanna see a story about a princess going to the thing and then they will see an episode

of Peppa the Pig or an episode of, you know, whatever, Taco Dragons or whatever. And that'll be the sort of early foot into the generative stuff and then it'll start getting a little bit higher as far as the age levels go, and a little bit more complex. I think there's a world in which you go, I want Peppa the Pig to help teach me about geometry.

You know what I mean? But do you think it's gonna be existing brands going and embracing these tools to get Peppa the Pig to teach you about geometry? I'll give you an example. So with the one-shot gaming stuff that's happening right now, people are going in and they're like saying, come in this boom, and they're coming up with

some really creative things, and AI kinda helps out there, and they release it and tens of thousands of people play with it, and it's just kind of like a little novelty thing, right? When I first downloaded, and this was back in the day, I downloaded online, I can't remember where I was, it was very early internet days I got the first episode of South Park the unreleased one. Oh

Yeah, yeah, it was Brian Boitano one. Yeah, and it was like it was like the mouse weren't linked up correctly It was all kind of jacked up. Yep. And so in some sense, I kind of feel like what's gonna happen is they're gonna be two really creative You know probably younger kids playing in You know their basement and just like, say hey, make this AI thing do this and start telling some jokes. And then all of a sudden we'll have the next South Park that was created by AI and it will go so viral

because it's so funny or so creative on that front and then everyone will have forgotten that it's AI. I mean, you're not wrong about that. Because in some sense, like South Park, I mean, it's animated, I mean you're not wrong about that because in some sense like South Park. I mean it's animated it was done by computers well like it's just thing for the first one and then right right Yeah, but the point being is that like it's just a tool that's moving from one animation tool to another animation tool Yes, yes, I'm saying I totally see what you're saying and I think you're right. I also think

You see what I'm saying? I totally see what you're saying. And I think you're right. I also think animation is definitely going to be the first thing. I mean, look, I created a live interactive animated weekly television series for Caffeine Studios when I was working over there. You know what I mean?

We were using VR. It was just the computer was doing all the animations with just the performer doing mocap in real time, right? There is a world in which this is not too far a step away from that. You know, and it really also depends upon like, did they have the characters generated by AI or were they generated by artists that then used

the runway AI system to animate them, you know what I mean? So I think there is a happy balance to be made. I think one of the biggest issues that Hollywood has right now is AI is a third rail for most companies. As an independent film producer, if I use the word AI when I'm talking about trying to sell or finance a film, that's death blow to me. Because everybody is like, well, then why are the, no actor is going to want to come

and be in a movie where you go, oh, the script was generated by AI. So it's like, there's a third rail in this for production. And I think the real kicker is going to be, how do we step it into the mainstream usage without it seeming like this sort of like anti-creative boogeyman, you know what I mean? And it's going to be a tough bounce. But stuff like this makes me go, I feel like they didn't make the baby step.

This feels like a big giant squash step, and I can't imagine, if I was an executive at any streamer or network television channel right now, and this came across my desk, there is no world in which I would have the confidence to be the one to say yes with this. You know what I mean?

Well, let me tell you the difference. The difference will be when this comes across your desk, not today, not this, but call it six months, a year from now. Yeah, yeah. And it already has 150 million views on it. Well, that's the problem. I mean, not problem, but that's- This is caught on. It's really funny.

Yeah. Of course we're going to say yes to that. 100%. Yeah. You know? So it's all about, no one wants to put that first check out there and be made a fool of. But then once it cracks and it breaks, it's all about that. No one wants to take that first put that first check out there Yeah, yeah, we've made a fool of yeah, but then once it cracks and breaks it breaks wide open Yeah, you know, I mean that we're just waiting. I mean look we all know it's the genies out of the bottle It's out of the bottle. So we're all just waiting for it to pop and squat

I don't know. I think your one-shot example is kind of I think an example of where things are headed because No one's gonna play that game. It's it's fascinating to create something as a proof of concept, but it's broken, it doesn't work, or it's now table stakes and anyone can do that. You still need teams to create this stuff. I think the industry is just gonna shift to begin to utilize AI in different ways. Yes, the traditional roles, especially like union roles,

are gonna start to disappear, but new jobs that are being augmented by AI are gonna reappear. union roles are going to start to disappear, Yeah. So what's fun about that? Yeah. It's like then you have computers doing it. Yeah. I'm very doing actors, so I have actors. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And to be fair, that's one of the things, we've been watching Andor, which by the way, holy hell, if you guys have been watching Andor. I need to catch up. It is such good television. Nothing. But they make sets. It's not CG, like there's CG, but the CG is augmented.

But that's not where it's gonna get applied first, right? No, I know, but I'm just saying, like there's something about it that like, Let me give you an example. Tangible creativity of it. I think we're trying to think too far in the future and say like, hey, is AI gonna ever make a, you know, a hundred million dollar video game that it's made today?

Of course not, that's gonna be quite a while. But, you know, will AI make the next Wordle? Absolutely. If you have the idea today for the next Wordle, I already started talking about it and then it just didn't, it broke. What you had? I had this really cool crazy idea because I was like, I'm going to, oh no, because you were, oh the idea doesn't work. Are you taking my idea? No, no, no.

I told you my idea. You told me your idea and then I'm excited because I was like, well I want to have an idea. So then I went home and my wife, Heather is like such a nut for word games. Is it a spit on my idea? Mine's a word thing too. No, there's lots of word games. Oh my god, you stole my idea. Did you one shot my idea? No, no, no. Well, I tried to one shot my idea and then I went,

oh yeah, my idea doesn't work. It's like when I found out that I had that startup and I talked to that one lawyer and he was like, I mean, it's illegal. And I went, I was like, why is that illegal? And he was like, yeah, it's been illegal since 1898. I was like, okay, well, it was a good idea. But anyway, it didn't work.

But I did, I did the hot, fast, what is it called? One-shutter? Yeah, I tried to do the one-shutter thing and it was like, this doesn't work. And I was like, well, thanks for asking. So my point is that we're all no problem. We'll get there very quickly. I think what's gonna happen though,

well I've already seen the AI taking away jobs on a whole variety of other fronts. I just think yes, it will be a little bit later. First it'll be better versions of these animation tools as augmented by AI poweredness of it all. We're seeing that with Photoshop, we're seeing that with other tools where it's like, oh they just make me a faster, better version of that.

Vermeer, the editing stuff in Vermeer, where you just like, multi-cam editing in Vermeer and just go, just get me 90% of the way there and then I'll go through and like fine tune it. Exactly. That's a lot of the horse work that, horse work? Yeah.

Everybody knows what that means. You invented a lot of stuff in this episode. Oh man, I should be drinking more coffee. Horsework.com. Okay, horsework.com. Doing the horse's work. Okay, well we'll see what happens. Yeah, all right.

Good luck. Anyway. All right, next story of the day, moving on. Let's talk about Kevin being able to find his spot in the script. It's whoop five. Oh, the whoop five is out. Whoop. I'm excited to hear what the whoop is. So you know about the whoop though, right?

No. That's right. We did an episode where you didn't know what the whoop was. I have not been trained on the whoop. You still don't know what the whoop is? Whoop. Tell me what the whoop is. You've seen this whoop. Oh, that whoop. Yeah, it's a health and fitness tracker.

You've been getting into fitness. I couldn't make donation early today because I had to go to the gym. That was you. You had to go to the gym. Anyway, let's get back to this whoop. Oh, that whoop. Yeah, it's a health and fitness tracker. You've been getting into fitness. I couldn't make it initially take because I had to go to the gym. That was you. You had to go to the gym. Anyway, let's get back to the whoop. Yeah, whoop. So the whoop is for a certain class of people out there

that know what I'm talking about. No offense. Okay, okay. Massive offense. Clearly, not me. Okay, Alex, let's say now it's a whoop. Whoop people, you're watching, at least somebody that works whoop is watching, Alex is whoop. So. I mean, I'll take a whoop, let's sit down. Whoop people, you're watching, at least somebody that works with whoop is watching,

Alex is whoop. So. I mean, I'll take a whoop, I'll take anything. I'm very cheap. So the whoop four came out in 2021, and they have not released anything for all these years. Everyone's like, what the fuck? No whoop?

No whoop, no whoop for you. Like no whoop, it was the same whoop. And everyone's like, and they did do a lot of software updates to it. Okay. And they kept making it better and better on the software side. So better whoop, but not. But actually, it was the same whoop. And everyone's like, and they did do a lot of software updates to it. And they kept making it better and better on the software side. But actually I was really impressed because they were ready to squeeze a lot

out of that small little unit. So the new one just got announced. It's 7% smaller, no big deal. 14 plus days battery life, which is huge for a wearable. 14 days? Yes, and so the old one was four to five days. It has a wireless charging pack, processor's faster, whatever, sensor frequency is 26 times a second versus 13.

That's fine. More power efficient, all that, water resistance. So now they have a step counter. That's a table sticks these days. This is what's cool. It does on-demand ECG and EKG readouts. It has blood pressure insights with no device has done to date. Okay, I do like that.

Which is really interesting. That's good for old men. Irregular heartbeat alerts, which is cool, but also the Apple Watch does it. Stress monitor, which is cool, but the Aura doesn't in others. It has health span and longevity metrics. We'll TBD on what that actually means,

but okay, whatever. AI system daily outlook. You will die in 22 years. Thank you, whoop. Yeah, mine says my heart is, my aura says my heart is like eight or nine years younger than what my biological age is. Oh, younger? Yeah, okay.

Take it. This point will take anything. Exactly, any positive metric all of a sudden in my way. Your knees have not exploded. Four part actionable sleep enhanced sensor. Do you sleep with your watch on? I would not with my watch. The watch is too bulky for me.

I can't sleep with anything on my watch. The whoop is super light. That's the one thing I do like about it. And it doesn't have a display. No, that's by design though. So it doesn't distract you. But also you can wear a watch, like a normal watch and a whoop and it doesn't look like you're double watching it.

What does the whoop look? I'm confused. Is it a bracelet? Bring it up. Bring up the picture. Yes, okay. It's time to go to whoop.com. So everybody is on the whoop.

Maybe just be healthy and then you don't have to wear that. Be healthy. Yes, I mean, I understand. That's a lot. But look at, can we get the video up? There we go. Look at that. So that's backside, side, side, backside, I understand. That's a lot. But look at, can we get the video up? There we go, look at that. So that's backside, side, side, backside, front side. So it's a nice looking device.

It looks like a belt for your wrist. It is. But a good belt, like a nice Prada belt. You wear it like a belt, and you wear it on your wrist. But, well actually, it's a great question because they make underwear, bras, and other things that you can slide the sensor into. So you unhook it from the bracelet.

Oh, interesting. And you can wear it on your underwear. You can wear it out of your bra line. That seems dangerous in your underwear. I mean, I think they put it in a spot that is- It's like a story from my city late night. Yeah. They put it in a comfortable spot.

But there's whoop lucks. So you can see it's like- and I'm no, I'm not an investor in Whoop, but I'm actually an investor in Aura, so I don't know why I'm doing this free promo. That's actually pretty. Yeah, it's pretty. I've always enjoyed the app. I think in terms of, and I'll just say this,

I've used all these devices. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're a health monitor guy. Well, yeah, so I was on the board of Aura for a few years, and it helped them launch, not this version, but the one before it, And we had all the different devices because we had to play with them all to see what else was out there in the market. One of the things I always loved about Woop

is I thought they had a very comprehensive and good dashboard, almost more analytics and more data heavy than anyone else out there. And I would say that Ori is probably on par with them now. I'm really curious to get this new one in. I ordered one to see what it's all about. I'll come back with a little mini review and let you know what I think.

But I will say, I found that the reason I like the Whoop and the ORA is they don't have, unfortunately, like a setting for sauna, to let you know. They do on the Whoop. So like you can measure your heart rate when you're in the sauna. Like they do all these things where like, they do these

more extreme environments than these other devices. Anyway. What do you do with all of your data? Because one of the things that I do. Oh my God, dude, you should see this. I have the Apple Watch and every time I do a workout, I always turn on the thing to track all my stuff and I have never looked at that data.

I've had it for like two years. Yeah, there's so much data. I don't know what to do with it. I'm confused as to like, I'm supposed to eat a ton of protein, not too much. I should eat dairy, but actually not so much. But that's bad for you. Like it's so confusing that I just drank a margarita.

I just, it's a lot. I mean, look, we all know healthy is healthy. Let's drink margaritas. So that's interesting. So look at this. This is my resilience on like before I started drinking and after. So if you see that bar, how it looks like

really kind of shitty, now watch this. So this is like as I'm drinking like, I like a good drink. And this is me stopping drinking. Look at, oh, oh, oh, oh. That's where we are today. So what is so ill you? And that's why the no drinking phase is really,

it's people don't drink anymore. So it took me from adequate, like here's the thing, it's limited, adequate, solid, strong, and exceptional. And that's as you go up the, it's like I was like borderline adequate, limited. And then it took me from addict, basically, all the way up to exceptional in two weeks.

How, what is that traffic? HRV, so heart rate. Excuse me. Oh, we have a truck going in there. Fire truck. Speaking of fire people. So. I gotta go.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's like, I'm out. Chose out the window, I was like, Jesus. With the freaking backs in hand. I'd be like, well, you know, you got a job. Yeah. So. What is that resilience?

HRV, which is your heart rate variability. So the more variability that you have in your heart rate, the better actually. And then it looks at your sleep data. It looks at your deep sleep, your light sleep, your REM sleep. That's what I wanna talk about. It looks at your resting heart rate.

Have you seen your resting heart rate? Well, I talked about this on the show, but there was a period of time where my watch kept being like, hey, your resting heart rate is really high. But then I've started working out and. Yeah, but you also know what that is. It's my heart beating fast. But do you know why that is?

Alcohol? Correct. Yeah, yeah. I was like, you're like, alcohol? Like, hey girl, yes? The thing? Yeah, the thing. The thing?

Yeah. Oh God, I love it. All right. So, the Whoop is out. This is a big deal for some people because it's been four years in the making. Oh great, yeah. And you can try it before you,

you can try it for a month I think. Yeah, I think they have like the trial thing where you can go and try it out and see if you like it. And it is, the one thing they do do is they do a subscription model. So it's not like you can do a monthly fee kind of thing. So you don't have to buy a device. They have an option where you can pay for the device

up front, but I believe that like so if you go with like Let's just pick the middle one the peak one, which is the new one. I think it's like she's okay a black band So oh yeah one month free trial that's cool and then basically Family plan. What does that mean? I don't have I don't put my kids on this Oh, so the annual membership is 239 on the whoop is free per month in the whoop is free Yes, you're just paying that's like all-inclusive kind of thing I mean, I mean shoot my these Apple watches were like 650 or whatever You know what I mean? So like yes, but and there's no monthly fee with that though

No, I know but I mean like if you're you know If you're a tech nerd like me and want to have the fanciest stuff all the time, you know Oh, it's like my phone, right? Like I pay the monthly thing for my phone and then I get to just every year when they like a new phone It's slightly nicer. Yeah, I guess I get that I guess I get it I always want to like keep mine for an extra year because I feel bad about upgrading every single time I guess somebody else is getting that phone. Oh, dude. Yeah., yeah, yeah. They recycle. Okay, next story is not really a story. It's just something that I did this week

and I thought I'm gonna talk about this because it's very, it was the promise of my 3D printer. So I got a 3D printer. Heather bought me a 3D printer for my birthday, I think, something like that, a while ago, like five years ago, something like that. And I was really fun and I printed out like a little baby Grogu for her

and I like painted it and gave it to her and it was super fun. Like I have some dice boxes and dice towers for D&D that I had which was fun. And then I just sort of ran out of stuff to print. So I was like, nah, not really. And my buddy Ron, who was on the Dungeon Run, a D&D show that I had for a while, he's huge into 3D printing

and he was like, dude, the thing that's crazy is design your own thing to solve your problems. Like, something that you have in the household, you don't have to go buy it, you can literally just design it and then print it. And the idea of that has always been like the gold standard of using 3D printers. I had no idea. And I dabbled into it. You can't do blenders and shit. You can't do appliances.

What are you gonna design, like cup holders? Well, so I've been going through this crazy automation phase and I've needed some fancy cup holders. No, I'm just kidding. No, but I've been going through this whole home automation stuff. We're doing our kitchen. And one of the things that I wanted to upgrade

was I have a hardwired intercom system at the house. You press a button, it rings on these two things in the house, you can press a key, it has a electric strike plate, opens the door, all that stuff. I've been wanting to get into a different ecosystem with that, automate it, and I've just been like, dragging my feet.

One of the things that I found was our electric strike plate, which is basically just the thing that goes zzz and opens a door. It broke because the person who installed it installed it out from the door. And so whenever it rains, which is very rare, but when it does and it did a while back, rain would get down in between the metal frame of the door

and the actual unit because it's not seated in. So it would like complete the circuit? Well no, it just blew the whole thing. I had to buy a new electric spread. Oh, so it popped all the little things inside. Pop all the little things inside, whatever they might be. Resistors. Resistors. Yeah, yeah, capacitors.

Capacitors. Yeah, yeah. Transistors. Yeah. Anyway, so I got a new one, but then I put it in and it's still sitting this far out. And I was like, God damn it. This fricking thing is gonna get wet again and all this stuff. And I go, I have a 3D printer. I have to be able to 3D print like a thing,

like a spacer that just plugs that hole. If this is like a 10 minute story to talk about how you just made a spacer for your door, this is the most boring story ever. No, the fact of the matter is, I had to figure out how to use Fusion 360. I got digital calipers out. I literally measured all this stuff out,

built this device that exists in virtual space, and sent it to my friend Allison, who's got a 3D printer, because mine's old. I bet you I could one-shot that. You could maybe one-shot it, but I was thinking of taking pictures, like taking pictures, but I literally had to get in there and be like, what's the diameter of the screw hole that

I have to have? How far from the front is the screw hole? How far from the backside is the screw hole? And then build all that stuff and then extrude it up the exact amount that I need for the spacers and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it was like very, very satisfying. It is currently being printed by my friend, Allison. I'm going to pick it up today.

So what's the best 3D printer to get right now? So then I went on this whole fucking doggy pony show. Of course, because I want, anytime something cool happens, I wanna buy shit. Right. It's so bad. It's bad. But I like it.

And this guy showed this thing called Flow Labs 4L. It's massive. And it's super not expensive, it's like 20 grand, but it's a resin printer So the way that 3d printers are slow labs, I think it's flow lab for L For L like that flow lab. Yeah, that's it. Okay. Here we go. All right. Yeah, that's it Oh, I've seen this a teenage engineering. I think did the design for this that does not surprise me. It's gorgeous Yeah, so there's. Oh, I've seen this. Teenage Engineering, I think, did the design for this. That does not surprise me. It's gorgeous. Yeah.

So there's basically two ways 3D printers. There's extruders where you basically put the little thing on the ground and then go up a level. And then there's resin-based printers, which is basically like the plate goes into this resin that's liquid. It's like Terminator. Lasers hit it, solidify. It goes up a level.

Lasers hit it, up a level. So basically, extruders pile it onify it goes up a level lasers hit it up a level so basically extruders like pile it on from the bottom up and the Terminator were like a terminator came out like a little resin or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah So that's what this is, but this stuff can be way more fine and fine details Oh, wow. Look at the detail on that day, bro. You can that little mini roller coaster. So well, that's not a roller coaster That's a product that's in scaffolding. That's gonna be removed shut up. No. Yeah. Yeah the piece that's just scaffolding to hold it up That's a roller coaster and they all look like every build looks like a roller coaster Did that look like a mini roller coaster? It does but it's actually like a lacrosse head. Okay. Oh, they're doing golf clubs

Oh, this is really so what is the oh there is pixel size. So that's what you need to know But here's in terms of yeah. Oh, no, no, so what is the, oh, there is pixel size. So that's what you need to know in terms of. Yeah, oh no, no, no. It's like super crazy fine. But the other thing is it can be, you can do all sorts of materials. You can do like flexible materials. You can do like rigid materials.

Oh wow, like that. Yeah, yeah, you can do things like in nylon and all sorts, not nylon, I don't know where that came from, but all sorts of crazy shit. But this is the thing is like, now that I've unlocked, that this is the thing is like, now that I've unlocked, this is the thing that got me excited was literally yesterday,

I've unlocked this whole concept of being able to sit, draw what I want, measure it in real time, put it, bring it into a 3D environment, build it, extrude it, make it what it is that I want, and then send it off to be 3D printed. Like, game changer for even just the little things like- Wow, look at that steering wheel. Yeah, but even like a little clip, right?

Like I'm redoing all the, I said, I'm redoing all the stuff in the backyard, the lights. You can make like little clips where you're like, I just need this little itty bitty thing so I can put it onto the fence, but my fence is this size and you can make little lips. I mean, this shit is endless. Anyway.

This is amazing. Yeah, super excited about it. Are you buying one? Oh, I don't want to buy the $20,000 3d printer. That's the size of wow look a huge I think oh, it's massive But think about how much big stuff you can make I know I know if I buy that my wife look at guys rollercoaster Look at his look. It's like every all rollercoaster He's like that would kill didn't somebody invent a roller coaster that would kill it was like a roller coaster. He's like, that would kill. Didn't somebody invent a roller coaster that would kill, it was like a suicide coaster? No.

Yeah, it was like a Swedish architect or designer built a roller coaster that was so intense with the Gs that it would basically slowly kill you. That's totally a thing, yeah. I think there's a story about that. Really? I think we did it on the show, like years ago. Just theoretical, yeah.

Yeah, oh wow. Just theoretical. AI simulated it and it works really well. I'm glad AI knows about it. This is cool. Well, you can get the mini one to start. Maybe that's your like. Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

Give this little guy right here. Oh no, that actually is, that cures it, that washes it. Oh, you need all three? I mean, that's why it's 20 grand. Because the device is 10. Okay. But then the washer you put in and it takes away all the like, it like washes the resin.

And then you cure it in the Curing bay professional post cure. Yeah, but there's a for the for the L is large obviously, so there's a form for It's starting at ten grand. Oh, here's the package. Yes, that's the one where it's got everything the washer the cure Yeah, you kind of gotta get that one Yeah, but if you go to the 3d printers, you can go see the the littler one is the four Yeah, oh we have this little guy right here. Yeah, we have a little guy right here Yeah, it's cute little guy. Where's 22 grand right here? Yeah. Yeah, but you still got to get this the other stuff So it's not you know, all right. This is cool

I know anyway, so I might be back into 3d printing and may have happened love it. See if my door closes Go around making door handles for everyone. Hey man, you want a door handle come to me All right, next start of the day and making door handles for everyone. Hey man, you want a door handle? Come to me. All right, next story of the day. Apple's ruling. This one is pretty big. It's weird to me that this came out and I read a little bit about it but I don't think people quite understand

what this really means. Did you get the email? No. I got an email. From Apple? No, no, no, from the law firm. What? Wait, what are you talking about? I think that may be like a Apple? No, no, no, from the law firm. What? Wait, what are you talking about? I think that may be like a spam. No, no, no. Okay, so Apple basically what happened is the judge said that they have to allow in third party external link

purchases of subscriptions and products so that you would launch a web-based browser. Got it. This was the whole time about two different things. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is Epic versus Apple. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is Epic versus Apple. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so they've been fighting with it for years, right? Because there's a closed ecosystem and they take the 30%.

Right. And so now Spotify and I believe Kindle have now, they have a way to bypass the in-store app purchase and buy directly on their sites. And so now you want to pay the Apple tax. No, I get it, yeah. But I kind of feel like this isn't fully completely fair to Apple because Apple's doing the distribution

of your application, they're paying for it to be hosted in CDN and granted it's pennies, but like they're making a searchable app store where your app can be found. They should get something. Yeah. But it's just for the subscription stuff, right? Yeah, exactly. But then again, if you think about it, most things now are freemium models anyway,

where they're like, hey, buy the app. You get it for free. And then there's an ad or whatever. But if you want to get rid of that, you have to sign up for the subscription. You know what I mean? So this is launching outside of their ecosystem. So it's no longer that quick Apple pay.

And then you actually get to buy directly from the person. Which actually is weird. That's a friction point that I'm like, I don't know if I love that. a quick Apple pay and then you actually get to buy directly from the person. Which actually- Which is weird, that's a friction point that I'm like, I don't know if I love that. Oh, so you'd rather pay directly with Apple. Yeah, because I'd just go, oh I want that. Yeah, give me a subscription, boop boop, like Duolingo. Like I don't have to go to Duolingo and be like.

I agree, but is it worth, so if they said, we'll give you a 30% discount if you buy directly from us. Oh, I'd buy directly. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Wouldn't even think about it. Well, because they have the Stripe checkout flows and everything, it's all easy now.

You put your phone number in and half the shit's already there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I mean, this is a big deal, because this is billions of dollars in revenue. Yeah, this was the anti-mess stuff, right? Because the Fortnite is on mobile. Yes.

That was the big one, was Fortnite was on mobile. And they were like, you are taking 30% of our Fortnite on. I don't know if, I mean, oh, dude, yeah, right. Because I played Call of Duty on my iPhone. There's a lot of stuff that you can do on the iPhone that's subscription based. Well, this is the problem where I think Apple just got a little too greedy. If they had come in with a flat tax across the board for everyone and said, hey, listen, we're going to do distribution, search, credit card processing, fraud prevention, the whole

thing. So if you think about what does that typically cost? Well, if you go with someone like Stripe, you're paying 2.5% plus 30 cents of transaction or whatever it may be. That's for the top class, you know, fraud prevention, credit card, all that stuff. But they deal with the returns for you,

they deal with all that stuff. So there is an additional amount that I'd be willing to pay. Even if Apple came and said, hey listen, it's 8% of any transaction we do, 10%. I'd be like, okay, I get all of these things or I have to do it with a third party, I'll just use Apple, because that's a no-brainer. I think they're at 30%, they've been at 30%

since the beginning, right? And they haven't backed down. I mean, they've also made a fuck ton of money. I know, there's billions of dollars in revenue annually for them, it's like insane. Yeah, because one app goes crazy. Plus it's also like if you're an app developer, I remember this back in the day, early days,

when there were like the camera apps, because the camera app on the phone wasn't that good. Like it was so much worth it to be on the app store, because if you were on the app store, if you could crack in any of those lists where you were getting in front of people, you would make so much money compared to just going it on your own and being like, I think this is gonna work for some phones.

You know what I mean? Yeah. But that's huge. I feel like Kindle's a really good example of something that's not subscription-based but really affected my spending habits. That friction of like, oh, I can't buy it here, I'm just not gonna get it.

Yeah, yeah, interesting. Well, how does it work with Netflix? Because there's no way you're buying Netflix. They don't let you buy it on there. They don't let you buy it. You have to buy it on the web. You have to have an account. Yeah, so if you go and download Netflix,

I'm pretty sure, it used to be this way. I mean, if you just as a sign in as with your. You have to sign in, but you can't actually buy it. You have to go to Netflix.com on another device. It's interesting that like, if it was for certain things, they had already said like Netflix, you can have actually buy it you have to go to Netflix and I come on another device it's interesting that they're like if it was for certain things they had already said like Netflix you can have an app in the app store that will host and that we don't take any percentage of the they must have never always said that no I know but I'm just saying they must have

negotiated something in the back in terms of what oh interesting yeah exactly exactly the lot of services have said it yes you can buy in through Apple. Oh, interesting. Yeah, exactly, exactly. A lot of services have said, yes, you can buy us through Apple, but we're gonna be 30% more expensive. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we deserve our break-even. Wow, that's crazy. I know, it's a big deal. I mean, that's a big shake-up of their,

you know, I don't wanna say monopoly, but like, you know, it's if you wanna be in the Apple ecosystem, especially with the iPhones or the iPads, like, there's only one player to go to. I think it's also, but it's needed though. This 30% idea, especially on microtransactions. Oh yeah.

Because there's a lot of businesses out there where they're either running really thin margins, and so 30% is a big deal to their business, or they're just doing something where it's like, I want a different color hat. And it's like a Roblox purchase where I'm buying something for my kids for 99 cents. And you tell me that now that independent developer

that put that together is not getting that money. Apple's taking 30% of that to flip one bit that says they get to wear the purple hat now. Like it's ridiculous. That's crazy. They get paid on all that shit. So I don't know, there's no perfect answer here because obviously they have to make money as well.

Yeah, yeah. It's not a charity. have to make money as well. Yeah, yeah. So it's fun to watch. Interesting, all right people! Whoa, that was really fun. Yes. I'm hopped up on coffee. Yes. I now have to pee.

Yes. Again, because of coffee and water. Why don't we ever have to pee when we're drinking? Alcohol just absorbs into your system. That's right. Yeah, it just comes out of your pores when you're with sugars. It was a fun episode though.

I can't believe we did something that was our first sober episode in years. Not forever. Yeah, not forever, but years. Well that is it for this week's edition of Dignation. Please, super excited that JC Hayes got to come in and say hi. I'm glad I'm on your first sober episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was an interesting. Yeah, it makes sense. It makes a lot like that. It makes so much sense. Yeah. I love it. Hopefully we will see you soon. Oh, we gotta talk about the shooting next time

because I saw that the date changed. Should we pull up our calendars? No, not yet. Okay. Yay, we'll see you soon. Love you guys, bye.