Diggnation (rebooted) - Sora 2 Breaks Reality, Neurotech Zaps Your Brain, Instagram Still Confused | E21 | Diggnation

Episode Date: October 8, 2025

RSVP for Chicago Digg Meetup! https://app.getriver.io/beta/events/digg-human-captcha-chicago-irl-meetup-sc1In this week’s Diggnation:Kevin and Alex drink a mysterious brain fuel that tastes like chemical warfare, get roasted by OpenAI’s video model (bald caps included), and pitch a LAN party for aging nerds. They also question if computer science degrees still matter, fantasize about neurotech that forces you to work out, and ask the most pressing question of our time: what if Instagram was just... Instagram again? Oh, and there's a legit HIV prevention breakthrough hiding in there, too.SponsorsZBioticsGet 15% off your first order at zbiotics.com/DIGG with code DIGG at checkout.SquareLearn how your business can grow at square.com/go/DIGGClaude (by Anthropic)Get 50% off your first three months of Claude Pro at claude.ai/DIGGDeleteMeSave 20% on your DeleteMe plan at joindeleteme.com/DIGG using code DIGGMonarch MoneyGet 50% off your first year at monarchmoney.com with code DIGGChapter Markers00:00 Intro03:01 The Shirtening Cometh + When Digg Collabed with Nike06:06 Happy Birthday, Now Here’s a Deep Cut About Early Digg07:42 Kevin’s Pro Phone Era and Apple’s Unhinged Glass UI10:13 Tron Eris, Fake Beer, and Probiotics for Grown-Up Drinkers14:15 Sora 2 Balds Kevin, Internet Debates If It’s an Upgrade17:18 Deepfakes, Surrogates, and the Death of “That’s Clearly Fake”21:31 Brain Zaps for Gym Motivation: Welcome to the Neurotech Era26:11 Huawei Shrinks AI, Your GPU Fan Starts Screaming28:36 Local AI Models, No Cloud, No Corporate Listening Devices34:10 Sponsored by Square: Tap to Pay, Stay for the Data35:56 Claude 4.5 Fixes Code, GPT-5 Throws Vibes and Errors41:20 Why Build Apps When AI Can Just Read Your Mind42:44 Kevin Gives Away Free App Ideas, Again45:46 “Old Man Weekend”: LAN Parties, Diner Coffee, No Wi-Fi Allowed52:13 Sponsor Break: Delete Yourself, Then Budget Wisely54:12 The $40 HIV Shot That Could Change Everything56:30 Herpes, Stats, and the Stigma Nobody Wants to Talk About1:02:14 Instagram, But Worse: Where Photos Go to Die1:07:07 Windowless Jet, Giant Screens, and One Extremely Texas Grill

On this episode, STDs or not. One of us has them. Not sure who. Okay, here we go. You got this. Coming up, STDs. Coming up on this episode, SORA2 makes me bald, our STD status. And do Kevin and I start our own retro conference in Des Moines?

Let's do it. Welcome to Dignation. also potentially hazardous to your health. All right, moving on. Why do you have flies in your freaking house? It's Southern California and I have fruit. You put zombie and put hearing in the title and I don't want to do it. Dignation.com.

Hello, friends. Welcome to Dignation episode number 21. I'm Kevin Rose. And I'm Alex Albreg. Dignation cover some of the hottest users of business stories on the social news website. Deg.com. dot com. Yes. We are coming to you live from Kevin's additional,

do we even figure out where the A was? ADU, let's just say AIDU and then get on to it. Additional dwelling accessory dwelling unit. Coutrement. Coutrement.

Dwelling unit. Guys, today is the day if you are in. Wait, no, no, let's start there. Why? I got to drink this first.

I can't sit there too long. Okay, go, go. Because this stuff tastes terrible. Okay, go, go, go. What do you do? Obviously, I'm not an investor.

But I will say it is the best ketones out there. Look, at the end of the day, you are currently drinking it. Yes. So it doesn't matter what it tastes like. It's called Delta G. This is my version of alcohol. It's ketone esters, which are people who don't know. Esters?

Yeah. Ketones are basically what your body makes. Oh, I can smell it. Yeah. When you're not consuming carbohydrates and it's burning fat, and it's like a fuel source for the brain. So, in theory, I become 10% smarter once I drink this. Legally 10%? Remember when I give you some of this?

Was that what it was? Yes, the same thing. Fuck it. So. Do you take a swig? Should I? Yeah, this is a different flavor. It might like some better.

Here you go. No, no, no. You should have said it. It's all good. You got it. Okay, so just so you know this tastes like. So here's the thing. So Kevin, we were at the, which is going to lead us into the Chicago meetup.

Oh, fuck. Yeah, tuck, tuck. We were at the San Francisco. meetup and that's not any of it no it's like four servings just give it a little chuggers oh god

this is for health oh ha ha ha ha ha yeah it's bad no there's something in there this no this is like builder bear builder bear oh god builder bear building a bear it's keto

it's good I was going to say birberry but it's horrible Why? Okay, so you've been the judge, watch the show. Do we get smarter or not? Not, because we did that. Yes.

Oh, my God. Okay, anyway, he gave me some on the morning after the meetup in San Francisco. How did you feel? I mean, it felt great on the plane home, but boy, he did not prepare me for the squeeze of hell. It's kind of fun to not tell people what it does. Yeah, that's good.

Yeah. But speaking of, right now, this evening, as of the day that we are releasing this episode on Wednesday, is the Chicago Dig-IRL meetup. So if you are in the Chicago area, please go by and say hi. Kevin and I aren't gonna be there, but Justin's aren't, I said aren't.

Okay, you said, you're like really fast. It's in my mouth, it's still there and I have to drink things to get to the thing I can drink. Anyway, if you're gonna be there, Justin's CEO's gonna be there, force's gonna be there, Mao is gonna be there, it's gonna be a super fun time, And they are going to have also limited edition shwag. So you can get swag right now on the dig site

at shwag.dig.com, classic swag stuff. And you can even get Dignation swagged stuff, which is great. But they'll be selling a limited edition only in Chicago meetup swag. So if you're in there, go get that. And there's one of the blue tea called the shirtening. It's the shirtening. The old classic dig blue with the white leadening.

I love it. Ledening. Jesus. It's not making me smart. It hasn't kicked it. It has not made me smart. Give it five minutes. I will say, take Justin, if you're going to the Chicago meetup, to Piquots.

Great, fantastic pizza place. Oh, Piquots. All right. Speaking of throwback, an old swag. Oh, yes. Dig and Nike Air Force One throwback. This was from 2008, a little collaboration, custom. Co-Lab.

Zach rode in, Zach Fitch wrote in. Just wondering if anyone has the dig shoes. what happened to them if not L-O-L I'm sure if he laughed out for that one Yeah maybe he didn't So these were these cool Dig shoes that you guys did As a co-lab that were like for employees or something

Yeah I think it was I think they were really cool They're really cool they have the You can't really see here but they have the dig we can There it is right there the dig logo Kind of all around the texture there They were pretty awesome I don't know what happened to these I haven't seen these in many many moons

What's that? Yeah they go in the dark Yeah, they're really sweet. Anyway, we should do a Dignation shoe. That would be amazing. That would be so fun. Who would we collab with, though? A D-D-GLAB.

No, no, on-running. On-running? What is on-running? What? You've never heard of on-running? Is it for running? Well, I don't run. That's fair.

Sorry to, I don't play basketball. I mean, it's on. On running? Like, dude, you've seen this. Oh, the weird O-N? Yeah. Yes, yes. Ah, yes.

Oh, yes. Of course. I call that company Little Man with Weird Hat. So that's why I didn't notice. It was the letter O and the letter N. You know what? Speaking of some emails, we just, we did want to say, well, you know, we have the email address Dignation at dig.com, so feel free to send us in your emails and we really do appreciate saying them.

But this one came in from Shawna R. My brother and I watched the original Dignation. thank you, and his birthday is on October 15th, and I ordered him a dig shirt and a hoodie. Can I get a birthday shout out? His name is Matthew. Yes, Shauna. Happy birthday, Matthew.

And thank you so much for watching. Did we spoil the gift? The swag gift? We might have. We may be. Why would we spoil it? Because it's coming out a few days before the birthday. Okay.

Well, guess what? You're gonna get some swag. Anyway. So how you've been, man? Good. I've been good. Just got back. I was actually down in the Oceanside.

Oh, yeah. Took a little truck down there over the last few days. I was there with, I didn't know this, but my friend surprised me, and they brought my old buddy, Daniel Berko, who lives in London now. Daniel lives in London? Yeah, he's been living out there for a while. He was the original designer behind Dig and the one that created the yellow button way back in the day. And so it was always good to see him.

And so just hung out with some friends. We did a lot of vibe coding, like just watch some movies. I watched the new Naked Gun. Oh, how was it? It was good. Yeah? It takes a minute to get back into that style of humor because you just so rarely see it these days.

Yeah, I get that, yeah. But then about halfway through, we were like really pretty laughing. I'm pretty happy with how it turned out. It was pretty good. Yeah, that's cool. It's on my list. Speaking of, last time you saw us,

we had yet to receive our lovely iPhones. I've been seeing your black one. Yeah. And I was funny because Kevin, I asked you about your blue phone and you said, I don't have a blue phone. And I went, what? We had a whole thing. I went back to the-

So you went back to the pro? Yeah, I went back to the pro. But why? I have to say, this is like my favorite phone in years. It's just too big. You don't feel like you have to like, eh, to get up the top? No. What?

Do you do a lot of one-handy? Yeah. And you have no problem. Yeah. Just getting messages, messages, messages, messages. The top is where the best part is. I just don't even have... It's so fucking horrible.

I have issues. I like this form factor. But I already dropped it and broke the screen. Whoa. Yeah. But here's the cool thing. I'm not handing you my phone. Listen, listen, I got that new AppleCare Plus.

And they send you a brand new phone. That's it. So you don't have to like send your, like, I don't have to take this to get repairs. So you just, they'll give you one of those boxes. Get another one and send it back. Isn't that cool? That is great. It's so funny that you are like, because this to me is like,

so great. I still have mine's right there. I just love the form factor. I will say if you're a heavy user, I'm not a huge, I mean, I'm fairly heavy user. I don't really care about the battery life because I'll never really anywhere. I've never really traveling. It goes down past.

Hell yeah, dude. Like I'm right now at 67. Yeah, 67. Jesus Christ, my eyes. Anyway, I'm at 67. Yeah. And on my other phone, I'd be like at 80. Yeah. See, I noticed that. was dropping a lot. Do you like the new iOS, like the liquid glassy stuff?

It's fine. It doesn't really blow my skirt up. Man, are you fan? I'm not a fan. It is awful. Really? Yeah, same. Yeah. Interesting. Dude, it just feels like it's not going to age well. Like, it's just so... It does feel a little 2008. Well, also, it feels like they're just random ideas. Yeah. It's like, what are you doing? They're just adding this weird coat that nobody asked

Nobody asked for this. Nobody. No, no, no, no. Not at all. I just, I don't know. There's a thousand different ways you could go and to pick this kind of like old school kind of. It does look a little bit like that stuff that where you, remember when you used to jailbreak the phones so that you could have names? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It does remind me of like an old. It's like a bad winamp skin or something. Yeah, 100% of the day, you know. 100%. Yeah. I could definitely see that, that floating glass stuff as a win amp scam for sure. Some of the things I do, there's a couple things where I like how it works, mainly on desktop, like the way that some of the windows disappear, they kind of disintegrate.

But, yeah, I don't know. Hopefully they'll refine it over time. We'll see. I get that. Toronto eras. Yeah, so we are super excited. We have been invited to go to the world premiere tomorrow night for us. Yes.

Monday night for everybody else. Not that it matters what day we went, but we're super excited because it looks. freaking bad ass. Do we have to dress up when we go to that? Yeah. Really? I mean, but it's not like, you don't have to get into a tux. Like how dressy? They said, uh. On grid's chic.

Yeah, like you can almost crossplay if you want. Yeah. Yeah. Look sharp. Yeah. So you could do, oh, maybe we should, oh, that's fun. I might do like some like, I don't know. Knee highs? I'm not going to do any of these things.

What the fuck are you going to say? Not knee highs, neon. Neon, okay, okay. Does it just draw? I'm just going to do some knee high boots. black leather or something like that. You know, Tron, it'll be fun. I'm excited to see it.

I'm a huge Tron fan, so I'm hoping it's good. Do we have any sense on early reviews? I don't know. I mean, the trailer looks bonkers. Light cycles in the real world was like everything I wanted since I was a kid. You know what I mean? So we'll see. No, don't do that.

Tron Ares. Oh, no, it's not no reviews yet. No reviews. Okay. I think he thought it was bad, but it's not. No reviews. Okay, I got to get into my wine. Yes.

Because as I am the only drinking person here. No, that's not true. I'm also drinking. And non-alcoholic beer. Hasey IPA non-alcoholic by Best Day Brewing. I love that. I like this in a beer. I will tell you, it's quite good.

When I did that, like, a couple years ago, I did that, like, four months stint. You didn't do four months. And I will say. You really went four months? Yes, Kevin. Four whole months? Yes, over the summer. I don't believe that.

happened. Anyway, but N.A. beer was really, I sort of got into N.A. beer. You didn't do anything else? Any wine? What do you mean anything else? I don't know. Like, is there anything that you have any other vices? Like, what did you do? Like, night? You sat there? Yeah. You know, I do what you're doing. It's not fun. Yeah. And I did four months. It was torture. But thankfully that time is over. And also, I am helped out by our lovely friends at Zibiotic before my new pre-dignation show rituals. Zibiotics, a pre-alcohol probiotic drink, the world's first genetically engineered probiotic, was invented by a PhD scientist to tackle

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but to begin with. Yes, the ketones were tough. Now you clear out those ketones. Oh, you didn't bring your wine. Did you take all the bottles? Will's wine. What happened? You're drinking. No, no. I don't know where they are yet. Oh, the office got moved. Yeah, it's in storage. Okay. Which I probably get out of storage, but. Yeah, 100%. Oh, temperature control. Good. See? All right. talking about. First door of the day, SORA 2 released, submitted by Legolas, Legolas, Legolas. Legalis. Legalis.

From Lord of the Rings, anybody? Exactly. This is the new video model. Oh, yes. From OpenAI, which has gone crazy. So this just came out, what, like two days ago? Yeah, some people are saying, some people calling it, some people calling it, is it more AI slop, is it not?

It's just creating a bunch of stuff that it doesn't matter. I will say I've created a couple videos with it basically here's what happens you get the app you get an invite and once you're in

it asks you to say a few letters or numbers if you want to make your face right cameo yeah right but you don't have to

you can have it makes other stuff right yeah or you can just consume and use other people's faces and stuff like that so I set my face to public

let's have a little competition to see what people can do with me I am on here my username is at K-R-R-Z-N-K-R-O. Oh, sorry, Zen K-R-O, Z-E-N-K-R-O. And if you find me there, you can use my face and make me do crazy shit. It will play on Dignation and just it automatically tags me.

But that's the cool things you can take your friends and do fun stuff for your friends. Is there a semi-public version? Like, could you do one where, like, you will have to allow people to use it? So you can say only friends or only people are allowed. in. Yeah, I love that. Yeah. Oh, that's what I'm totally good.

And you can see all the drafts of stuff people are working on with your face before they get published. That's amazing. So here is, so I messed up the first time I did this, I had my hat on. Oh. And I thought, I was like, oh, it's just going to like. It'll know that you have a hat. Yeah.

Well, it'll give me a hat. Oh, yeah. Because I thought like, that would be cool. I'd just like to have hats. Did it just think it was the first one I did? The structure of your head. Oh, my God. It made you bald.

I love this thing so much. Oh. Oh, my God, Kevin. Drink with the mountain, and the mountain drinks with you. What about, Kevin? I love that. Do you love that? I love that.

Here's me doing a podcast. I haven't watched us yet. Okay, here we go. Real time. Welcome back to the show. Today I'm drinking and talking about a West Coast IPA. It's from a small brewery right down the street. Just look at that color.

Deep amber, clear as day. You can see the bubbles just climbing up when we get a nose on it. Loads of great friends. Everyone, welcome back to the show. Let me get a nose on it. I'm amazing. It's a small brewery right down the street. Just look at that color.

Deep amber, clear as day. You can see the bubbles just climbing up when we get a nose on it. Loads of great. Wow. Let me get a nose on it. Oh my God. It's kind of amazing though, right?

We got to do a Kevin shirt. Let me get a nose on it. Kevin Rose. Look at this one, Mallet. It's that great. Like, just like... It just made him bald for no reason. Well, I had a hat on.

It just assumed I was bald. That is so perfect, dude. But it's fun. I just don't know if it's like this is adding anything to society, but it is kind of cool. I mean, probably not. You got to do the yours.

I'm going to. You just got to get in me. It's great. Yeah, we've got to get you in because it would be fun to do some Dignation ones. So it's interesting because it was a real,

it was a real big jump when they merged audio and video together, right? Because remember when that happened? I don't remember if it was Sora that did it, but when they finally were, because you used to be able to generate. The one that Google was doing that. You and I were messing around with what we had on the show.

Oh, right. Was it when? or is that what that's called? No, it was called, what was the Google Model called? No, no, no, no. The one where he did the podcast one and made me fat and him buff. It was the Gemini model.

It was the Gemini model. I can't remember the name. V-O-2 or V-O-3 or something like that. Oh, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. VS0 or something like that. Yeah, got it. V-O, yeah. But it's interesting to me.

I just, we're almost to the place because it still feels... very fake, but I feel like we're almost to the place where it's like, ooh, we really need to just pretend like any video that you see that you don't have a direct, like, but here's my problem. My parents aren't going to realize that. Yeah. You know what I mean?

I'm not worried about me. We grew up with technology. Right, right, right. But people five, ten years older than us that kind of gave up on, you know what I mean, that we're like, you know, technology was kind of cool that maybe they had an NES or an Atari. or 2600 but then they were kind of like it's not really for me and so they didn't follow along with it yeah what I mean well here's the here's what I'm trying to think about it there's I completely agree that there's a whole generation that just won't know that this is fake

yeah what is our thing that 20 years from now will be like well I didn't know and like you know you're getting a phone call from someone younger oh yeah yeah it's skippity too know it'll probably be like no it's not going to be up like a meme it'll probably be like I'll call you up and I'll be like Alex do we should grab beer whatever and like you meet up and you're not there and I'm not there and you call me like what the fuck and I was like dude that wasn't me I was AI calling you someone prank to you and that's not that's now I know but what is that thing that you see what I see what you're saying like there's going to be things that we are completely fooled by dude 20 bucks it's going to be $20 what is that dude 20 bucks just that's

what's going to be it's going to be confusing the kids are going to be like 20 bucks I'm like sure and give him 20 bucks and they'll be like ha I got you what do you think it's going to be I think it's going to be human replicants oh I think think it's going to be you coming to my door and hanging out with me and I'll be like, oh my God, I had such a great time with Kevin. And he was like, yeah, me too. We went out to dinner last night and be like, oh, you fucking sent his goddamn fake robot. And then you got to figure out which one of us got, which one of us got the fake Kevin for the evening. But then also like that could be, well, the dating situation would that would be crazy. Well, by the way, that's coming

by the way. By the way, first dates, literally like avatar is having first dates. Oh, you send your replicate. Uh-huh. And then, and they'll come back and be like, dude she was crazy and you're like okay i'm going next time oh that's amazing and you can watch back you watch back yeah totally oh man i should have been there i should have been there she's touching me who knew yeah uh or it could be like um did you guys uh see that movie probably not it wasn't great um it was great comic um i mean the movie was okay i watched it again later anyway all this stuff surrogates so surrogates is a really great comic. We reviewed it, we reviewed it and the movie, the Bruce Willis movie that came

out. And the Bruce Wilson movie, it was okay. It just, it was not great. But the whole concept is, is that you basically get a surrogate for yourself that goes out in public. So you stay home in like a VR set, but you're controlling an artificial version of yourself in public. I see. So you're there. You're in public. You're experiencing it. But you're not there. You're not there. And so, like, all murder is now no longer a thing. It's property damage. Oh.

Because nobody's getting murder because nobody's outside. You know what I mean? But so it could be one of those things, too, where it's like, all of a sudden you're like, I'll just send my guy, but it's really you piloting, you know what I mean? I don't know. That could be interesting. Yeah. The thing about this stuff that freaks me out is there is, there is, like, when I just saw myself

with no hair, and I'm sitting there, and I look at my facial expressions, and they're, like, 98% there I'm like I'm like was Kevin there was there another is this a multiverse that I'm looking into

it's a weird it's a weird head trip like who is that dude yeah I know that he wasn't there because it was just like

a thing but like it is very strange when you get back to that are we at base reality or not yeah to be like we are making

little mini realities with like that Kevin never existed but like yeah sure is that looks real Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a trip.

Well, also, I think the thing, too, that's going to be really exciting is when, and some, I've seen some tech demos, which are very interesting where, I can't remember who did it. It might have been Google, but where they did auto-generated worlds. Yes. You would get into these 3D environments and you could just walk and it would just continue auto-generate them. They're doing more that in gaming now. Right, but trying to.

Yeah, but think about if you get to a place where you're creating these realities, then then think about the sort of neuro net stuff that has been happening where all of a sudden you can sort of poke into the brain to begin to give those external stimuli as if you're actually receiving them and then you start going into these virtual reality worlds that stuff I think could get super weird super fast yeah because once that stuff starts taking off and you can you can sort of give like external inputs that aren't actually happening directly into your brain so that it feels like they're actually happening. I think once that moment happens, it's going to get fucking crazy.

Well, when you look at all the different stuff that Neurlink is doing right now, when they have people with pretty severe disabilities that they're unlocking all those things, like video game play and like all these different things, it's just, it is a matter time. It's a matter of time that they crack all of this, which is nuts. Well, and the other thing is that AI is actually helping us, start to crack the nut faster. So it's like not only is AI a thing that we are creating,

it's also helping us come over to the left and create other things in ways that we weren't necessarily thinking of. And I think the brain, I mean, we've been talking about the brain being the sort of like, you know, it's like the deep ocean, right? It's like the last vestige of human knowledge. Well, they've talked, more recently I've seen some scientists that are speaking about not just brain stimulation

and kind of that modification on that realm, but also behavior modification based on that. So we know they have this transcranial simulation they do now where it lifts depression for some people. Yes. But now they're talking even more kind of targeted in that you can imagine if someone was an alcoholic or someone had a really hardcore thing that they wanted to do.

Like gambling disorder or something like that. Yeah, or to go to the gym. Could you imagine that? Would you do that? Oh, my God. If I could get zapped in the brain and it would make me be motivated to go to the gym every day. You can't do it, but you wake up at 5 a.m. and you run.

No, I wouldn't do that. That's too bad for my body. Running is horrible, people. Running, fucks your body over time. But if I had a thing where it was like 5 a.m., I'm getting up, I'm throwing some weights around at the gym, I'm getting like a protein shake with all my fucking supplements, and somehow I'm interested in doing that,

I would maybe do it. I would maybe do that because there's certain things that I was like, because I'm a fucking procrastinator. Look, my natural existence of being is sitting on the couch watching TV or playing video games. If I could figure out a way that I could be paid, and by the way, I have over the years figured out ways to get paid to do that, which is amazing. But like, all things being equal, if I had, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars, I'd probably, I mean, I'd do some fun stuff periodically, you know, company stuff and entertainment industry stuff's fun. but I don't want to do that like I like I hate being in an office I mean we talked about this for years

anyway but so if I could get zapped in the head and get motivated to like work out and eat better and not drink as much I mean that wouldn't anybody do that I just I want to turn it off though right you don't want to be 80 and being like

I gotta get to the gym like if that there's that yearning and you're like I can't I'm in a little chair can you just get smacked in the head again I imagine so at that point they have new zapping technology at that point Yeah, they can unzap you.

Yeah, they can unzap you. All right. Maybe I won't do it the first time. Okay, here we go. Next story. Huawei shrinks LLMs to make them run on less powerful hardware. This was submitted by Emil. So I wanted to know, have you ever done, have you ever had your own offline LLM?

Yes. Interesting. How did it work? And which one was like a Lama or whatever? I just can download anyone you on if you haven't passed off the GPU. So this is the thing. So Huawei was like, we want to figure out how to shrink some of the more robust, large LLMs, LLLMs, in order to lower the memory requirement for the GPUs so that they could run those on more prosumer levels.

Yeah, Apple's working on this a lot. So they've been able to shrink the memory usage of some of the large, it's called Sync, S-I-N-Q, S-Horn, normalized quantization. Thank you. And they've been able to shrink it down. I think it says, yeah, up to 60 to 70% of the memory usage can go down. So what would be usually more than 60 gigabytes of memory to run on a GPU, this thing can get that down to 20 gigabytes of storage.

And some of the higher end, like 4090s, 5090s, they have 24 gigabytes already. So that means you can offline run some of these larger, larger, you know, not like the Olamas or the, you know, some of the other ones that are, you know, Gwen, I think is one of them, but, you know, these other ones that you can sort of personally run. But not only that, it is also lowers the cost for corporate, so like, let's say you have a startup and you want to do like cloud machines. Before you'd have to spin up these cloud machines with like these crazy, some of these graphics cards are nuts. Like the fucking H-100 costs 30 grand for a graphics card. Yeah. But so the, to spin one of those up is anywhere from

like $3 to $450, $3 to $4.50 an hour to run one in the cloud, but you can now use the same LLM that would work only on those using this software, which they didn't put out open source on GitHub. It'll allow you to crank the memory usage down and still get the same output, and you can run it on like a $4090 or $50.90, and that's like $1 to $1.50 an hour. So they think for companies, too, it will be huge. But for me, I go, I've always wanted to be wanted to fuck around with, because I have home assistant, you know, and they have voice assistant, which is like the, you know, whatever, the Siri on the Apple Home Kid or Alexa or whatever, but you can use your own local LLM as the brains for it. So then you don't ever have to go out

to this, you know, corporate overlords to turn on your lights. Yeah. I mean, there is, there is a lot of models that would do that basic stuff that you need to do on your home rig. Yeah, but some of them, like, I see the stuff. I watch some of the stuff and it's just like, it's just not that great. It's slow. It's kind of like, oh, what was that? You know what I mean? Like the inference stuff, it can be a little slower

when it's locally. I mean, this is a big Apple announced a bunch of stuff. Their open source and piece of it is really Apple open source models. What is it? Yeah, they have some new, you have these

on-device models. that Apple has been working on. So they're big on the private cloud, right? Like, that's the whole thing. So they're trying to figure out how can we sandwich some of these local functions down to a small enough model that for the vast majority of stuff that you need,

it can be done on device for quick, you know, that we don't have to go out because there's that lag. There's always been that lag with Syrian and everything else. We have to wait like, ah, it's like four or five seconds. Wow. So, yeah, this is a really fun area to watch.

I feel like there's a couple of specialized pieces of hardware, Nvidia's selling one now as well, where you can buy a little rig for your house. It's like the nano-3 or some shit like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you can run little tiny models at home

for various things. Like, are they going to be the deep thinking models that, you know, with the billions of parameters that you've been getting in the cloud? No. But it's not like you're having to have the inference to serve up, you know, hundreds of thousands of these. Like you're just doing, you know,

a few queries here and there. It's not what you need them to. be insanely performance. And it's like local shit. Like if I can be, you know, the whole thing is is like, first of all, I don't like to talk to my phone in public. It feels weird. So to be like, hey, Siri, check, what's the weather? What's the thing? You know what I mean? It's just like, it's just so weird. Because anytime somebody's doing it around me, I'm like, bro, just type it. You know what I mean? Oh, really? Yeah, I don't know why. I don't mind that. Maybe it bugs me. But also, now that I think about it, it doesn't really bug me. I don't really, it just, I think

I just feel like, I don't want people to know that I want to know what the Seattle Seahawks came in. Oh, that's interesting, yeah. Even though I don't ever want to know about the ZLZACs, no offense. I'm sure they're a great team. I just, I don't know where that came from. But for the stuff at home where you're like, you know, I would love it to be able to integrate with my calendar, but not have to worry about like, you know, chat TV, and Open AI having access to my, free access to my calendar, right? But I would love it if I could just be at home and somebody being like, hey, we're shooting dignity.

I saw your calendar last week. You had one fucking thing on it. Yeah, but I want to know that that's coming up. I need to know that that's coming up. Like a whole week, it was like Dignation. There was one item on your calendar. You're just making shit up. You're trying to index your porn.

There's something is going on here that we don't know about. I would definitely. It's 5 o'clock. Would you like me to start porn? Yes. Thank you, Claude. There is something you're not telling us here. Why don't you need a local model?

I want a local model. I want to be able to do stuff like turn the lights on and off. Turn the lights on. You're worried. Because right now we're doing it with Alexa. And Alexa's always listening. And so it's like, you know, it would be nice to have a box. So you are really worried that like Amazon is going to be like,

No, I'm not, no. Let's turn the back bathroom line on again. No, I'm not. But I also feel like I don't really need to be giving all that information to Amazon. You know what I mean? I mean, I don't know. I hear you. Thank you.

But I don't think that and your feelings are valid. Thank you. But I feel heard. But I don't know that Amla. Because I don't cares about your lights. Like, it's not a big deal. No, it's not about all the other shit they're hearing in my house. They're not, so they only send the queries out where they think there's like a, hey, Alexa situation.

I don't know about that. Yeah. No way. Oh, dude, they would be in so much trouble if they weren't, if they were sending everything you're saying to the cloud. That is not, they have a tiny little local model that looks just for that input query. That's, that tracks. Yeah, dude. That is true.

This is what I'm saying. Dang. Yeah. Yeah, I guess that's true. I should just whip one up and see how good. Yeah, just whip it up. Just whip it up. Yeah, just whip it up.

Anyway, so interesting. Because again, I think the future of these models is going to be like you were saying. I think it's going to be, there's going to be a fork. There's going to be the on, like personal home siloed, do your day-to-day stuff that's really not that high impact. And then the go online, quantum computing, like high-end, I'd like to know. to know, you know, take a look at my labs and tell me if there's anything I need to adjust. Yeah, because especially the ones that need real-time access to the net. Yeah.

At the end of the day, when you have things that are like, you know, blood work or timely information or topical news, like all of that needs access to a real-time internet to provide you. Because the cutoff date stuff was the weirdest thing when these models first started coming out, it would be like, hey, here's our recommendation. I'm like, oh, yeah, that seems like a year old. I'm like, oh, yeah, I didn't talk to the internet yet. Oh, I forgot. Now they're talking...

They basically took like the internet of 2022, right? Well, they train it. And then they would lock down the training date and said, this is the data we're going to compute all this on, you know? That's so interesting. It's crazy. All right, shall we hit some sponsors before we move on? Let's do it.

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were going to be talking about. This is, well, I mean, people will trust it. But this was not picked to go here. This is not a story related to Claude. Well, it is related to Claude, but it's not related to the sponsorship. Yeah. So Claude came out Sonnet 4-5 and the story was submitted by Wanderer. Claude was claiming with this new drop that it's the best coding model in the world.

And so I immediately started playing around with it. I've been jumping around between three models primarily in Cursor, which is GPT5 Codex and then Claude 4-5. And then also there's one called Supernova 1 Million, which is rumored to be Gemini three early access, which I don't know if that's true or not, but that's what I've heard. Oh, interesting. So, I spent this last week and actually doing a ton of just different vibe coding and trying out these different models.

I was using GPD5 codex for the vast majority of stuff, and it nailed it. So one of the things I figure, it's really hard to tell because they're all getting really good. And it's hard to say, like, one is so much better that you only stick with that one. I found the best workflow for me is if I have cursor and that's your coding tool, in the center, you can do two panels on each side. On one side, I have Codex, which is GPT5, which is their own extension for cursor. And the other side I have basically the pane that is the built-in, choose your own model

version of the chat interface for, you can select any model you want. So I was using a GPD5 codex a bunch. It was working well. I ran into a couple blocks where I was like, I can't fix this one thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. then I jumped over to a four or five sonnet on that side and said hey I'm having problems one thing and boom it fixed it first try oh whereas I would have I would hit a dead in on the other side like three or four tries later and then sonnet was just like boom

hitting and in and really this and I don't want to make this an ad for a club but I will say I mean we just didn't have a club yeah this right I think I think I think what's good though what what's awesome about but well at the end of the day depending on what your coding, whether it's Swift code to make your iOS apps or it's NextJS because you're making some kind of React-based web app. You kind of have to try the best models, called the top three or top four, and then figure out which one seems to be best for what you're trying to do. Yeah.

Because I have had certain models completely fall over when you're doing Swift code for iOS, and other models really excel there. And so you kind of just have to keep two or three of those in your repertoire of models as it were. It's very nice. Ketones talking. Yeah, yeah. And just, I feel great by the way. Yeah, don't I feel great too. A little ketones, a little red wine. Yeah. So nice little Sunday we got going on. I will say that I think that this is a great, it's a great model. I'm really impressed with Sonnet 4-5. It's definitely one of my top two that I'm using right now. Yeah, I really did cursor. So I started vibe coding some stuff on it. And it's so interesting because I tried, what was the

the other one. Loveable, I think, I tried. And it was sort of, it was like two hands-off, if you know what I mean. Like, I get it for, like, somebody that has no interest in seeing the code. Yeah, if you don't code at all, then Loveball is probably my favorite. It'll get you there. You know what do you think, Mao? Do you use some of these kind of full all-on-one coding tools because there's lovable, there's Bolt, there's Replit. Yeah. Like, do you have one that you like? Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Yeah, same.

Once you, well, if you're technical, you'd like cursor. There was another one, too, that I had just heard about, I can't remember. I'm not going to remember the name, but it actually builds the infrastructure stuff for you. Like, you don't have to deal with, like, firing up. Maybe it was a lovable. They're all doing that now. They all have, like, I think Loveable is using convex as their database now. And then most of the others use super base on the back end.

So it's like, you kind of just, they're trying to be that one. tool. Yeah. I'm telling you, for the last 20 years, if someone said, hey, what, you know, career paths should I take? Yeah. Oh, computer science. Like getting into that, blah, blah, blah.

Now I think if somebody young came to me and said, hey, I'm going into college, should I take computer science? I would say, is it your life's work? Like, do you love it so much, you must do it? If that's the case, yes. Yeah. If not, I'm just, man, I'm telling you, in three, four years, we won't need engineers. I mean, it's so weird, but it is really.

And to me, I really like the fact that it's sort of democratizing the ideas, whereas before it was like you had to have the idea, but then you also had to have the knowledge, the computer coding knowledge to make it happen. Right. The technical co-founder. Yeah. And for me, that was always my biggest frustration because I would always come up with these ideas for apps and companies and all this stuff.

And sometimes I would get connected with the right people who kind of were the right people but weren't, and then it's like, I really want to be connected with the person who's so good that they shouldn't be doing my idea, they should be doing their idea, you know what I mean? So the fact that now we're getting to this world where it's the idea that is going to be the thing that makes it successful, not just the ability to hard code the stuff. Yeah, yeah. I think it's a really exciting time because if anybody has a good idea, then, and best idea wins, right? Like, that's the best, you know, the cool thing. And maybe it'll be easier for a while, like now, for someone with technical knowledge

to be able to put it together but I totally agree I mean I think we're going to get to a place where you know bespoke apps are just going to happen where you're not going to have to ask it you're not going to have to ask an app to do a thing you'll just tell an LLM that you want to have something happen

and it will go do that for you like the point stop me thing we talked about where I was like I want to my point like just at a certain point I'm just going to be able to go to chat GPT or whatever or Claude and say, hey, I've got X number of American Express points. I'd like to go somewhere in Europe in the next couple months. Will you just tell me when it's the right time for me to pull that trigger?

And it'll just go and do it. You know what I mean? I've got two ideas that I want to give away for free. Hit them. I want these to exist in the world. Yes. Number one, as you get older, as those watching, no. You're not always in the loop with your prostate health.

I'm just kidding. you're not you're not in the loop with yeah the new aura ring under undercarriage no you're not in the loop with what the kids are talking about what's hot like what's what's what what we're the memes like what's going on so it's a great name I want to call it the app should be called boomer and you launch it and all it does it tells you like here are the three top and this is what they mean the trends right now oh that's funny like here's the meme of the day this is what people are talking about it's every day I was launching like oh this the meme. It's just, it's a shortcut. I don't want to reel as shit. I don't want to like have

to go. Just like, tell me what the name is. Tell me what I mean. For the, for the social cultural pulse. I guess that's one, boomers one. The other one I want is basically one of the things when you talk to the AI agent, I know you don't like to, but when you launch the AI and you're in voice mode. I do that. That's my, that's my action button. Right, but they always give you the crappiest models because they could never do the deep thinking models at scale. Like that would just like crush them in terms of just financially. I want to, an app that is an iOS app, you plug in all of your keys for your different models, like your API keys, and it will by default just have a voice deep thinking mode.

So it fires up the really expensive hard query, so you basically use 11 labs to do your voice to text translation, hit the model via an API, get the response back from the deep thinking one, and then read it back to you in a nice voice. That feels like that's got to be easy to make. It's got to be easy to make. the other thing too is what is that going to be called i don't have a name for you smarter with an r no that's horrible but uh smarter but i feel like people want that really deep knowledge when you're having the conversation so many times i'm like hey chateebutit

like tell me about this it's like okay well i would tell you that i'm like oh my god that's such an interesting thing to dive into i really appreciate that yeah it seems like in 1940s you're like what are we talking about yeah yeah it's like you want to start a business around this because you probably should. And I'm like, no, I just want to know. You know, it's horrible. So anyway, that would be, that would be a fun one. And then you're going to have to wait for the responses.

So it would be like 20% complete. Oh, yeah. Yeah, oh, I got you. You know, because it's still working on it, Kevin. Yeah, it takes a couple minutes, yeah. It takes a couple minutes, man. Two freebies. Hey, it takes a couple minutes, man.

You're like, oh, thanks, man. That's what you call. It takes a couple minutes. It takes a couple minutes, man. Okay. Okay. So this next story is more of a challenge. make sure to get off the internet

and support some nerdy junk this topic was submitted by Sumia Sumia do you think Sumia Sumia? Sumia? Sumia. I love this just like hit me to the core.

I love it. It was like it's just such a great thing. Anyway, it made me start to think about a lot of stuff. So Sumia went to a local North Carolina. There's these this company, I think it's called like CCS or something like that,

but they do these like smaller conventions around nerd culture stuff. So it's not like, you know, they take over the LA Convention Center. It's not like San Diego Comic-Con. It's like this, the one that he went to was called Nirvana. And it was like, yeah, it was like card games, it was collectibles, it was anime. And one of the things that made me kind of go like,

God, I really, I missed that like the L.A. Hilton, or not even a Hilton. The LAX High Hampton Inn or Holiday Inn, and they had like a tabletop game. There's a tabletop gaming one that I went to a couple times with the TRS guys. And it's just so fun because there's just like these little vendors with like folding tables.

And it reminded me too of like the computer show and sale. Remember when we went and did that segment for the computer show and sale? I just give me an idea, but keep going, yes. I love it. Marinate, my friend, because this is great. But one of the things is in the comments he had said that he used to do improv and when they were done with the improv show

they would all pull out old CRTs and their original Xboxes and do Halo Land Parties and I love doing Halo Land Parties. Hear me out. Okay, I'm in. We start, we go and find a shitty hilt. Okay, done.

Like with the crappy beds and all that, right? Yeah, done. Okay, not the ones that are like, you know, you pull the light and you're like, oh, Jesus. A Hampton Inn. We know what you're talking about. Good place. and we rent out the whole inn

Hampton. Okay, yeah. And they always got the shitty conference rooms, you know? Oh, yeah, yeah. And we say everyone bring your own, like, rigs and shit. Oh, yes. And we basically, it's all that. It's a little bit of comics, but it's like you get folding tables.

Yeah. And you bring them out. And then we set up lamb parties, like old doom, shit like that. Oh, dude. And we just kind of go into the night. And we've got a little bit of D&D over here. We've got a little bit of stuff going on. And you kind of just bring your own shit and you set it up.

Yes. Of whatever you like to get. geek out of yes then magic table in the morning like you have

old classic diner breakfast like yeah eggs bacon like like the coffee where they're like we want me

to warm up your cup touch it up you don't touch up top you up for a little bit yeah yeah

you know and then we like have our retro gaming we like you bring out your old game boy

yeah sit down you talk about the different different games you're playing so it's

all old tech you can't bring anything new in the building I love it but you have

like and then there's an award for whoever has the oldest, coolest tack, like, oh, they had a U.S. or box modem with the old BBSS. They win geekiest weird, like, old tech thing, you know? I want this so bad. But it could be like old, like, like, toasters or whatever, like old shit.

It's old shit. Fun stuff. And it would just be called Old shit weekend. Old man. Old man weekend. That could be the mascot. Could be old man weekend. You could be like our Santa Claus.

I'm telling you, if we did that of the Hilton, people would come. Of course they would. But this is what I'm saying. why this post on dig got me so excited because I was like, yeah, get off the fucking internet and go to meet people. Could you imagine walk around somebody being like, oh, man, I can't get the IRQ working on my SCSI card?

I remember those. How do that work? I'm going to make it back. I literally was just talking about the IRQs on PCI Ethernet cards with a buddy of mine. That was with the days. Oh, my God. But yeah, but I like, I missed those days of like,

because look, online game is great. Like me and my buddy, Jerry, we hang out way more than we would if online gaming didn't exist, right? Because we just play fucking video games all the time so I talk to almost every day.

But I also want to see my friend. There was something about that like, there's also something about the time commitment. Like putting a TV, an old heavy-ass TV in the back of your car with your Xbox and your fucking router and all the Ethernet cables

and going to somebody's house and setting that shit up, it was an hour and a half before we are working. actually playing oh yeah it was a lot of work so you're like i'm here for hour like i am not just gonna bounce you know what i mean like dude i remember lifting like my old fucking sony monitor like point two dot pitch and being like i would like slam the glass against my chest and like lean backwards and like bloat and you're like lifting your monitor to go to friend's house you

how many times you put the like towel behind the view sonic oh yeah yeah putting the seatbelt around it yeah totally if you own an old hotel yeah That happens to have a diner nearby or something that we could do. Like something, like a 48-hour thing would be fun. We should do something like this. Let us know, especially if it's in like a really weird part of town. We went, I think it was IDD software. I can't remember what it was, but there was a convention that we went to for TRS.

And it was like their lamb party room was like crazy because it was bring your own PC. But there were like thousands of people because it was in a convention center. and it was just table after table after table of people and they would just get into these games of like 32 on 32. I mean, it was just like, it was so crazy. I think it was like an in software thing. Yeah. But it was...

You should do this, dude. Dude, I'm in. Hey, if you're fans at... Or Dig Nation at Dig.com. But I think we could have different genres. We're like, okay, retro stereo is this part of the thing. Yeah. You know, retro gaming gets this part of the thing.

And it just, you walk around and be like, oh, I used to have that. pioneer deck and like oh god that guy's got kicker speakers in his car out of time the pull out plop honk the yeah dude all that shit I love that stuff I remember the Panasonic I remember the first time I got one that had the detachable face

yeah instead of the removable it was the detachable face oh yeah it's like so easy yeah all right my god I love it anyway so that's why thank you so much and you know this is what we love is to talk about cool shit like that let's hit two quick sponsors and then we'll be back all right quick one from delete

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The Highways category, yeah. So it's a twice yearly injection, and it is called Lennacapavir. Lennacapavir? Lennacapavir? Lennacapavir. Roles off the conton. Drug companies need to come up with better naming. There's so much better.

Lennacapavir. Lennaccapavir? Comdak. Comdak, there it is. Comdac submitted it. Thank you for submitting. But think about it, like first responders that have to worry about, like, getting pricked by needles and stuff like that. Like, there's a layer of, I mean, this is huge.

Twice yearly injection, 99.9% reduction in transmission. I mean, that's huge. Isn't that crazy? That is crazy. The only problem is that it currently costs $28K a year. I thought you said it was $40 a year. No, but that's what it currently costs. But now they're trying to roll it out and make it $40 a year.

Ah. I mean, but isn't that always the problem, right? You get these drugs, and then all of a sudden it's like they cost a bazillion dollars, but then slowly over time, efficiencies and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, subsidies for countries, you're going to mean like... Yeah, especially countries where this is running rampant. Yeah, like Africa, I know it has a huge HIV problem. There's definitely, like, I've heard of this where there's a cultural thing where there's

a misunderstanding where how the transmission works, and that's brutal. Somebody told me that there was, I can't remember where it was, but there was one country where the cultural understanding of HIV was that if you had it, the way to get rid of it was to give it to someone else. Oh, boy. Because it was just a lack of knowledge. They're like, oh, I just give it to someone else.

Yeah, and I don't have it anymore. And I don't have to worry about it. And it's like, it kind of makes sense. I mean, I can see why they got there, but that's not how it works. Yeah, totally. We're going to have to work on that. But, you know, that makes it a ton of sense.

It is crazy to me that Magic Johnson is still alive. I thought he was going to be dead. Oh, I so remember when that happened when he came out. I saw him watching baseball the other day, like on TV. It looks good. I can go Dodgers, man. I've been enjoying it. I know.

It was crazy. Ugh, go doyers. Well, that's great. I mean, look, these are the things that, like, we, you know, the thing that's going to be the real trick is what's the next HIV? Like, has there been another thing like that that's come around? I mean, COVID was kind of a version of that. Not, but, I mean, it wasn't high debt toll. Got an SDD, though.

No, I know. You haven't had a new STD in a while, I don't think. Mow? Now has it been. You're in the scene. You're in the scene. You go to Burning Man. Is there new shit people are worried about?

That's just HIV. Is it? What is, like, I really don't know, obviously because I'm not dating or anything. What is the thing that people are most scared of these days? Is it like, it's not like the clap or some shit like that, right? No, I think it's so radical. I think I think it's just a stigma around all of...

Oh, yeah. You know what it is? A lot of people have herpes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. HIV is basically durable and get it

manageable. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Are you sure more than 50% have... I'm not talking my mouth throughs, I'm talking about did you get your herpes? What herpes? It's like down there. Did you call it?

Cheap, you know, I was pointing to dig your piece? So, Mel, were you saying over 50% have junk herpes? It might be something what? See, here's the problem. I'm typing this in chat at JBT.

I had to do this last night. I was talking to some friends about some shit and I typed in, like I'm typing in what percentage of people has herpes. It saves that she has a core memory. Of course.

It knows that you're interested in herpes. I know, I don't want that. It's like, hey, Kevin, the weather seems fine in your area. Also, herpes is up. Here it is. is a temporary chat what did you find out temporary chat okay well that's not

okay yeah yeah that I knew HSP 2 uh 12 percent Hsv2 that's the that's the junk herpes yeah so I actually I didn't know anyone that had it I've I'm lucky I don't have mouth or junkerpes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you have any of those? No, I don't think so. Do you have any of those? Can you talk about it?

Okay, Jesus. Well, why were you asking? You seem so nervous to the response. Well, I just realized that once I started asking, it would have been weird if I didn't ask him now. I knew you didn't, because you'd been able to say partner for a long time. And they're like, I was like, what if I was like, yeah, I do have the other one. I'm so sorry.

I know, I'm so sorry. Because then we had to bleep it out. And then people have known it's bleeped. Probably he does have it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That would be amazing. It was like, do you have her? Anyway, I'm talking about the most.

It's a smash cut to some other content. I'm lucky. I've never had anything. It's great. Yeah. And like, but like you got, I know two friends now that have the junk herpes. Okay. And you basically can take a pill and it kind of beats it back pretty well now.

Like it doesn't flare up. Yeah. So you can date and people wouldn't know. I mean, that's kind of fucked up. You would never really, you'd probably say that. yeah yeah yeah for sure but so a lot of people don't have doctors you're like well that's the mental right or no okay hmm you can have it never should interesting interesting yeah yeah the way yeah the stigma exists yeah well you guys I hear

that there's a stigma but you guys I hear that there's a stigma but it also have a break out on your junk. I mean, it's not like, it's nothing. It's like, that's a thing to look at. There's more than a stigma. It's a thing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Still, probably it's not the same amount of stigma. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they have the thing now, there's, yeah, there's a, there's a bunch of them that. But what I'm going back to what I'm saying, like, we haven't had something like HIV since HIV, and I feel like that's amazing, but also

we do? Yeah, like, this feels like, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, why did we, it's like they just kind of stopped. Although I don't know when the others came on the street. Obviously, we know HIV because it was in our lifetime. Yeah, that's true. But I don't know like, the others,

had they been there forever? When was syphilis discovered? It is weird. I'm not a big concerns there, but it is weird that HIV just kind of came out of nowhere. I guess that was where the others come from out of nowhere, too. Not a lab, I don't think. Like, I think it came from scurvy maybe on pirate ships? I don't know.

There's this, yeah. Anyway. All right. Well, we're glad. Well, congrats to all the first responders. I mean, I mean, honestly, like, that's where my brain goes first is first responders, doctors, nurses, and ERs. Because they're always constantly worried about pricking themselves with needles and stuff. You know what I mean?

Yeah. And also transfusions, like. Well, how about just like people that, yeah, like, are more prone to get this stuff? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But also, yeah, and also who are like immunodeficient, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah, big time. So all people who are like, if you get it, you're going to die.

It's like, mom, now, 14. That's actually a big deal. Yeah. Okay. Speaking of big deal. Yes. Instagram wants me to make content, and I just want to post a photo. This was submitted also by Comdack.

So this was an article. Thank you, Comdack's being busy. Yeah, man. So this is a Burge article. And it's so funny because this really struck me. I saw this, this, this, um, uh, um, headline. And I was like, I have, I feel so seen because to me, I'm always like, what the fuck? Like, you know, when they added stories because Snapchat existed.

And then they added reels because TikTok existed. And I was like, I just want to see pictures. I want to see a picture of my buddy at a concert. I want to see picture of, of a guy who's making food. You know what I mean? Like, I want to post a picture of the crazy fucking. hawk that was in our backyard and we were scared since she was going to eat our dog you know what yeah every time i post a photo now they want to add music they want to add all this because

they want it to be content not a picture we should just build that i have a domain named me human oh that's cool and just like let's just make it like just human only like for photos it's like what was the one that took like was hot for like an hour the one that was like you have to take a photo every day at a certain time of what you're doing it was called do you remember what the like that was called. I remember everybody. Oh my God. I have this app

which I really like for notes called standard notes and you can enable a beta feature where it takes a photo of you every hour. And I was like

oh, I'll do that. I thought I'd get a little prompt or something and I went and it had like a thousand photos and it's like me at the computer like all kinds of shit. And I'm like,

good God. Like it's like you all fucked up in the morning with coffee like barely. Oh my God. I love it. Oh yeah.

That's never good. But I do like the idea of starting a pure going back to basics and doing a pure photo sharing app. I like medium and be real. That's what it was.

That was hot for an hour. But it's so true, dude. There are so many times when I'm like, you know, I mean, I'll post it on Facebook fine just so people can see if I'm doing something. To be honest, one of the things has been so fun has been the ability for us to cut social clips from the show and post them on Instagram.

I mean, and maybe TikTok. I can't remember if we're doing TikTok stuff. Yeah. Oh, we are. Look at us. We're fancy. But it really is. There's something about the initial core idea of Instagram that doesn't exist in Instagram anymore. And it almost feels like you could make a really good business just going back to what Instagram started as. Yeah. You know what I mean? And to be honest, you don't even need the filter feature anymore because people can do all that shit in their phone. So it's like, just take a picture, spruce it up how you want, and just post it. Yeah, the thing I was thinking about is there has been people talking about having device at a station for photos, meaning that if I could select a photo, I would reject it from the social network if I couldn't prove that it was also created on the same phone. And so that's really interesting to me because...

That's like way back, right? Because when Instagram didn't allow photos that weren't taken with the Instagram app, remember? Right. Early? Like that's interesting to me. days because I'm so tired of all the AI edited shit. Yeah. I'm like, okay, what if I just want the raw?

So maybe what you do is maybe the MeHuman app is a photo sharing app, but you can only use the app's camera section. Yeah, the only problem with that, though, is then you're kind of like, it's kind of hard to get the right moment, you know? Oh, I see what you mean. Because, like, often I'll take like seven shots to my kids and I'm like, oh, I want to post just this one. Yeah, no, yep, I get that.

Well, what if... There's something here, let's think about it. Yeah, what if it shoots, like, in burst and you get to choose from an array of photos? Could just be your photo app, then, yeah. If it launches that fast, you have to make sure it's really performing it because sometimes you want to catch these moments really quick. Yeah, and you got...

I've got a little camera things, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you can find out if it was actually created on a device with pretty high accuracy. Yeah, that's interesting. I think there's something there. Yeah, it's cool. But I agree, dude, Instagram has just gotten to be this... It's just, I mean, I don't...

I use it. It's not to knock that it's usable in its current form. It's just there is a pining of the simplicity of what Instagram used to be, you know? Well, at our conference, we won't allow that. No. Actually, we should do the thing where you have like the phone bags where like everybody puts their phone in like the little cage. Or the little like, yeah, yeah, that's cool. Or maybe we do like phone free hours. Oh, that's cool. You know what I mean? So it's not like, oh, people can't get in touch with you. It's like, no, no, no, they can get in touch with you if you're outside the phone three hours. This is super cool. I'm excited. Yeah, this is a cool story. Next door of the day. Last story of the day, luxury jet replaces cabin windows with video screens submitted by Bax 42.

So there is a new startup called Auto Aerospace. And they actually partner with FlexJet, which is pretty interesting. They have this Phantom 3,500. It's going to debut in 2027. It's not too far off. Yeah. And the thing that is interesting about it, is because they have gotten rid of the windows. I didn't know this, but some of the traditional cabin design with the windows and everything that they've created are not the most efficient, aerodynamically.

And you can actually get a lot more range and everything. If you were to get rid of those and just redesign it to be a lot sleek, it looks really sleek. It looks like a... So it's using this new thing called laminar flow aerodynamic design. So essentially, all airplanes are basically, basically just like tubes with wings.

Yes. So these are going to be new, yeah, yeah. The blended wing. Yeah. So this is going to be, and if you scroll down, they show renderings of what the inside is going to look like. Has no way. I like a window.

I can't fly on something out of a window. I know. So I get this. These are other stories, I think we're past it. Is the window that you can just see through the glass and you see outside? But like, isn't, because if you look at the picture of the cockpit or the passenger area, the whole side of the plane is. is basically a window.

So you're seeing, yeah, they're already making them. But if you look inside, there's like almost like a dining room because there's so much space inside. Yeah, the whole inside is like voluminous. Yeah, it's got a lot of width to it, doesn't it? Yeah, you could have like anything in there. Yeah, and I saw a video where they actually had a mockup layout in like a fiberboard of what the inside is going to look like.

So it's like the layout and it was massive, dude. It's like, I mean, it's literally, it's like, think about your backyard from like that wall all the way to that and no support structures. It's just open and there's seats. But like, that would be amazing. You know what I mean? And think about like the first class shit. Anyway, so I'm actually really excited, but I will say I have to get into one first in order to see because one of the things that they said was they said that they were worried that it might feel more claustrophobic. Oh, you wouldn't like that.

if it does. Or to me, I look at that picture and I go, that feels way less claustrophobic. Oh, yeah. Well, that's like a train. You know what I mean? Yeah, but those are all screens right there. Yeah, but what does that matter? Would that fit, like, convince your brain that you're not trapped in a tube with no windows? I mean, that's why, that's how. Well, the screens went out, mid-flight, like, ooh, those screensies. I'd be sleeping with my Xanax. I'd be sleeping and I'd be snorting your Zanx. I would be snorting with Zanx at that point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Does Xanax help you all that stuff? Oh, yeah. That's what it's for. Anti-anxiety.

Yeah, wow. Anyway, oh, it was fun. That was a fun show. A fun show. Thank you guys so much for listening and watching and doing all the things that you're doing. We love you guys. Yes. If you have any comments, please feel free to send them to Dig Nation at Dig.com.

We got some good wood grills, too, from last one. I got a few. Oh, people, people, yeah. We actually got one that was sent in. We got a wood grill email, which I will read real quick because I happen to have it pulled up. Greetings from Charles. What is it? Yeah, from Charles.

A long time listener, first time caller, heard the last episode you were looking for recommendations on the wood grill. I am. So he recommends the Chud box, which, by the way, I love Chud's barbecue YouTube channel. I've seen so much of it.

It's great. And this guy builds his own... Oh, look at this one. Yeah. So he built his own boxes. And they're all made of like rolled steel in text. Texas and it's really great. Oh, this is amazing.

Yeah. And he has a couple different ones. There's the chud box. And then there's the, he does the big chud one. I can't remember what it's called, but like, he has a, like a smash griddle thing. It's really good. And he's, Bradley Robertson, I think, is his name. But he makes some fucking stellar food, dude.

Really? And he bakes his own buns when he makes, and I'm just like, I gotta do all this shit. But then I was like, I don't have time or a backyard in Austin, Texas to make it. dude ched box oh there's the ched grill yeah the chud press the ched press yeah but the ched box is the one with the so that's the wood you could use wood you could use charcoal yeah that's the one yeah that looks good yeah it's great so charles thanks for sending that in and also anybody else that's sent in some really cool ideas you should get a we should do that yeah you should get one of those things and then we'll set up like a camera and we'll come over and we'll

do like a big brisket or like something cool that sounds great Yeah, awesome. Anyway, until next time. Thank you, guys.