Digital Social Hour - 29 Seasons of Paranormal: Ghosts, Curses, and Legends | Jay Wasley DSH #1322

Episode Date: April 13, 2025

👻 Get ready for spine-tingling tales and jaw-dropping discoveries on "29 Seasons of Paranormal: Ghosts, Curses, and Legends 👀." Sean Kelly sits down with Jay, a seasoned investigator, to uncover the wildest haunted locations, legendary curses, and unexplained phenomena captured over 15+ years in the paranormal world. From séances at the Winchester Mystery House to chilling evidence at the Poltergeist House, this episode is packed with stories that will blow your mind. 🎥 Jay shares the secrets behind using cutting-edge cameras to capture spirits, the energy trapped in haunted objects, and even the eerie science linking emotions to paranormal activity. Plus, hear about ghostly encounters with celebrities like Jonathan Davis of Korn, Matt Rife, and Post Malone—not to mention cursed artifacts and a terrifying investigation into a house so haunted it left everyone shaken. 😱 🔥 Don’t miss this deep dive into the mysteries of the supernatural. Watch now and subscribe for more insider secrets. 📺 Join the conversation in the comments—what’s your take on ghosts, curses, and legends? Let’s talk! 🚀 CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:27 - New Season of Ghost Adventures 04:58 - Sponsored by Northwest Registered Agent 06:14 - Jay's Band Hundredth Hand 06:55 - Jay's Start on Ghost Adventures 09:04 - Conversations with Spirits 11:19 - Paranormal Caught on Camera: House Calls 12:24 - Haunted House Dilemma 13:03 - Zak’s Haunted Museum 15:16 - Time Travel Theory 16:09 - Haunted Las Vegas 17:46 - Voodoo Dolls Explained 19:37 - New Season of Ghost Adventures (Duplicate Removed) 23:10 - Matt Rife as a Ghost Hunter 24:10 - Post Malone & Jonathan Davis (Korn) 26:20 - Catacombs of Paris Exploration 31:23 - Historical Misconceptions 32:34 - Ancient Civilization Discoveries 37:04 - Researching on the Spot 39:23 - The Demon House 42:38 - Episode Wrap-Up APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail] GUEST: Jay Wasley https://www.instagram.com/jaywasleyfilm SPONSORS: NORTHWEST REGISTERED AGENT: https://www.northwestregisteredagent.com/socialhour LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ #ghosttheory #ghostsontrent #amyscrypt #scarystories #paranormalnightmare

tend to happen better for you. And I think that kind of plays into like the voodoo world and curses. Like if you know like this person just did this to me, that's in your head now. But even if there's not, just knowing that you're like, oh no, like, cursed. You're going to go around thinking that

and then naturally bad things are going to start happening. All right, guys, got a fan favorite back in town. Jay. Yeah. Been busy, man. It's good to be here. Yeah. New season coming out soon. Yeah, we're excited about it.

It's been, I mean, we've been filming nonstop and it's been a little while since new episodes came out. So we're really excited for this new season. And I mean, I've been doing this 15 years now, and it just gets crazier like there's been moments Where I'm like all right what else could I see what else could I experience that's gonna really? And it happens like we just have things happen Whole season like I'm pretty much every episode there's at least one or two things that just still are blowing my mind So I'm super excited for everyone to finally be able to see it

Yeah, cuz I was gonna ask you like does anything faze you at this point? You've seen a lot. Yeah, I mean, there's times where it doesn't. I feel like there is a numbness that comes with it. But ultimately, we're going for that holy grail of evidence at this point. And we feel like we get it. There's multiple episodes that we've

called visual evidence that we cannot explain whatsoever. We were doing a seance at the Winchester Mystery House this new season and it's the hundredth anniversary of when Houdini was last there doing a seance Whoa, so we tracked down the only known blood relative of Houdini Brought him in to join us in the seance and we were using Polaroid cameras to document evidence and we got this thing That was just like, you just, you'll see it, it's just flying around the table and it's, it's, it's amazing. It's super cool. Yeah. And what's awesome about Polaroids too is, you know,

for everyone that's a skeptic out there, we like using Polaroids cause it's right then, you know, you can actually show it and we're filming the process. You see the picture come out, it develops. We can show you right on the spot. You know, there's no time to to do anything with it. It's literally right there, a physical piece of evidence. That's cool.

Do certain cameras capture the spirits or whatever better? Yeah, we use a lot of different types of cameras. We try to shoot for what we see here is the visible light spectrum. But we know there's other types of light that exist. There's infrared light, there's UV light, things like that. So we'll use cameras that are basically designed to be able to see in ultraviolet light,

to be able to see in infrared light, and kind of basically capture things that we can't see with our regular eyes. Yeah, the heat one I noticed, the spirits have a different heat, right? Yeah, we use a lot, we use thermal cameras as well that pick up heat signatures or even cold signatures too.

We've had human forms appear, but it's mapped as cold. Interesting. And then it kind of plays into the thing where people get the chills and they feel like that cold air is suddenly moving in kind of thing. Yeah. So we've been able to document that as well, which is really cool.

Have you ever gotten the chills somewhere? Oh, yeah, all the time. Yeah. And honestly, that's kind of thing. Yeah. So we've been able to document that as well, which is really cool. Have you ever gotten the chills somewhere? Oh, yeah. All the time. Yeah. And like honestly, like that's kind of where it starts. Honestly, like a lot of people are like, oh, what's your favorite piece of equipment? What kind of, you know, what should I buy?

I'm like, learn it yourself. Trust your body. Trust your own feelings. You know, we're not psychics. We're not mediums. We're not anything like that. But I feel like we are in tune to things. We've been doing it long enough

where we know our bodies, we know when we feel something, we walk into a room, we start feeling something, and we're like, all right, let's pay attention to this room, to this spot, and then we start bringing out the different cameras, the different devices to then document it. And to be kind of like, just before this, we were talking about to be able to feel something

and then prove it is, that's, you know. It's a good feeling. Exactly, you know, you're not crazy. Yeah, it must be second nature for you at this point. Yeah, absolutely. Right. And even, you know, there's times throughout the day too where like we're not filming and I try to just be like,

all right, I'm not even, like I'll, you know, I'll be like, oh, there's something weird here. But I'm like, no, I'm not even playing into it. Cause it's like, I'll leave work at work at this point. You must have nightmares all the time. Oh yeah, I'm not even playing into it. Yeah, it's like I'll leave work at work You must have nightmares all the time. Oh, yeah Sleeping is not the because you sleep out the location, right? No, we'll we'll spend all night there and then we will finally wrap up and then we go back to a hotel But that's the thing too after an investigation You're pumped like you're also terrified. You're trying to process what you just experienced especially was a really intense one

You're trying to figure out what just happened It messes with your mind, you know, it kind of so it's not easy just to be like, I'm just gonna go back to the hotel I'm gonna sleep. Sometimes you're wide awake you're wired, but you're exhausted like it's such a weird it messes with your body a lot Yeah, and I think for what we do too. We really open ourselves up to it So like just that on an energetic level a spiritual level, it really kind of messes with you, honestly. I bet. Do you have ways of protecting your energy? Yeah, I try to just keep myself balanced and grounded. I like nature, I play music, doing things that just kind of...

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Bring positive energy to me and kind of rebalance anything negative that's been around me. That makes sense. Yeah, you're killing the music stuff right now, right? Yeah, yeah. The band 100 in the Hand, we've been playing some shows, been doing a lot of recording

and hopefully we're gonna try to get out there this summer some more and maybe play some festivals and other shows and things. I love it. Yeah. What a big change from ghost hunting to a barren place. Well, that's where it started, honestly. Music was my first love.

That's kind of originally when I was a kid, I played music and that's what got me into filmmaking was, you know, I grew up when MTV was still playing music videos and, you know, I wanted to make music videos. So I got, you know got my parents VHS camera, started learning how to use it, how to edit, and I just made these crappy little music videos for my middle school bands and high school bands, and that's kinda how I started learning

how to film and edit. Oh, that's cool. And that's how you started on the ghost show too, as a filmmaker, right? Yeah, I was the sound mixer originally, just recording the audio, and then just kind of evolved from there. Wow, that's cool. Was it like a specific moment that they were like, yo, start, start coming?

Yeah. Yeah. It was, uh, we were doing episode at Johnny Cash's house in Jamaica. Ooh. And, uh, which is wild cause it's set up just the way it was when he left. Like, you wouldn't even think he's dead. And that spot was haunted? Uh, yeah, there was a lot of claims. Uh, I guess it's owned by his estate and they just keep it, they keep it up and running. Uh, so they let us in there. Uh, of claims. I guess it's owned by his estate and they just yeah, they keep it up and running So they let us in there

They investigate I wasn't investigating at the time I was just there for the first half of the show to record audio and then I would kind of stay out and they do their thing After that with next episode we're driving somewhere in Arizona and Zach's like hey Jay check out this EVP We got which an EVP if you don't know, is electronic voice phenomena. When you're recording audio and you're asking questions or trying to communicate, and then you get responses in the silence

and you know no one's talking, you can check the video footage, no one else is talking, but you hear clear voices. And sometimes these voices are actually, you know, reacting to you and your questions, which brings it to a whole other level. So he plays me this EVP and you hear Zach say, do you like Johnny Cash's music? And this EVP goes, yeah, like a real like,

you know, and I'm like, man, that sounds like Johnny Cash. And then I was like, you know what you could do? You could take a sample of Johnny Cash's voice and basically make a waveform analysis and kind of develop like a frequency fingerprint, if you will, of, his voice and then take the EVP and do the same thing and then overlay them and see how much they line up. And he's like, you can do that. I'm like, yeah, I'm a tech nerd.

That's what I do. So he's like, all right, we'll have you do that. And then he's like, then he brought me on camera and that was my first on camera appearance was doing this analysis and it actually lined up. No way. Cassius voice. Yeah. What? Yeah. Is that a unique thing to each voice?

Like, and someone. Yeah. It's basically like a fingerprint. Like, you know, there's variables, there's some crossover, but like, it was amazingly like spot on. That's nuts. You keep the same voice even when you pass away. That's interesting, right?

Yeah. That's super trippy to think about. Have you ever had a real clear conversation with the spirit? Like just like sentences more than just words? Like actual conversation? Yeah, we've had stuff. We've had, I'm trying to remember, there was one we did in South,

I think it was in Charleston, South Carolina, where this woman was hung and we were like asking her, like she had, I forget the phrase, but she had like a famous phrase she said when, right before she died. And we're like, what did you say? And, but she had like a famous phrase she said right before she died. And we're like, what did you say? And then it comes through, like the whole phrase.

And we're like, wow, like that's not just a single word. We've had conversations, we've had voices come through with a few words and then minutes later, the same voice is coming through. And then again, you know, so like it shows that whatever this, it's an intelligent spirit and it can communicate with us. Interesting. Yeah, because the spirit boxes will pick up on words, right? But not like full on

conversation. Well, it has. We've even picked up conversations between spirits. No way. Yeah, we've had things that say like, you know, I'm just kind of just as a reference, maybe not exact, but like they're like, they're here, they see us. And then you hear another voice be like, no, they don't. And like, they're almost like they're communicating back and forth. It makes me wonder, do they look at us as we're ghosts? What's it like from their perspective? What we think of a ghost, is there in their realm in their world, or they look at us and be like,

there's a ghost. It's kind of a weird, trippy thing to think about. So are you a full believer now? Because I remember when you came on two years ago. You were like you're still looking for a solid proof I mean, I believe it. I still approach things skeptically. I still like to try to have it. You know Documented like solid evidence, but you know, but I believe it I mean I've experienced it's been 15 years now doing this and without a doubt There's more to this reality than just this, what we see, what we experience.

And I know that from what I've seen, what I've felt. I've been dragged backwards. I've seen things lift off the ground. I've seen exorcisms, possessions, rituals, all kinds of things. I've seen shadow figures. I've seen, you know, pretty much you name it. I've seen it kinds of things. I've seen shadow figures. I've seen, you know, pretty much you name it. I've seen it at this point.

So like what it all a hundred percent is, I don't know. And I still like, I'll never say like, I'm an expert that I know this. I'm just experienced in doing it. And I have theories and like hands down, there's more to this. Damn. You guys still doing the house calls too?

We're not doing house calls right now. We did do another season of that. I think since last time we talked, but I don't think it's aired yet. Okay. But yeah, we're not doing house calls right now We did a do another season of that. I think since last time we talked but I don't think it's aired yet Okay, but yeah, we're not doing that right now But like that was fun and like learned a whole other aspect because a lot of regular show we go out there We're investigating like the history of the stories Where house calls kind of gave it more of a personal touch and kind of almost learning that like people around the country or around The world experience these things in their homes. Where 20 years ago they would be called crazy for been talking about it you know so we can go in there

and kind of like either like be like hey you're not crazy like there is something going on here here's the proof you know and we'll try to cleanse and we'll try to help the family kind of get rid of it and it gives them peace. What's cool, what I like about that show specifically is we do follow up with every family. A couple of months later, we check in with them, we put it on the end of the show. We just zoom in with them and kind of be like,

how's it been going? This is kind of what we discovered, this is what we found and thankfully I feel the majority of the people are actually feel better and that we were actually able to help them. Yeah. If your house is haunted, would you move out? Uh, no, cause I'm sure my house is haunted. Honestly. Uh, like I, like I try to ignore it as much as I can. I don't, I don't hunt my own house. I kind of just, you know,

but there's definitely times where I'm like, all right, like, no, I'm just not even, not even paying attention. Cause you got the artifact room. right? Yeah, there's stuff I hear things in there move around I've a set of wind chimes that are like just hanging on a One of the doors to the cabinets that have a bunch of wild stuff in it And I'll hear that like just ringing every once in a while and that's on oh, there's no wind in there Oh, it's inside. Yeah, it's inside. It's like full-on like that's crazy. Yeah

What's the craziest object you think you got in there? Oh man, there's a few. I have one piece I really, I actually have a piece of a mummy. Whoa. Like the wrapping of a mummy. No way. Which is pretty cool.

Where'd you get that? From Egypt. Wow. Like I found it through a guy that, you know, it's legitimate, but it's an actual piece of an old mummy. That's crazy. I have some old other like ancient Egyptian artifacts that are pretty cool.

Like they're just, you hold it and you're like, yeah, there's some energy to this. I have a, it's kind of ironic. I have this little, like, it's like a cross stitch. Like something you think like a grandma would make, but it was hanging on the wall during an ax murdering of a family. Geez.

Yeah. So like, even though it's like this like pretty little grandma cross stitch thing, like it witnessed this brutal murder. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I definitely think objects can hold some sort of energy. Yeah. A hundred percent. There's a whole thing called the stone tape theory where like, you know, anything that's an organic surface, like wood or rock, things like that, they actually have a memory and they can store that energy. Um, and there was a, the Japanese scientists that proved this, through these water experiments,

about the projection of positive and negative energy and how that can actually affect things on a molecular level. I saw that, that study was crazy. You could speak positively to the water and it would be better. Yeah, it would basically form these beautiful crystals when it was frozen, but the opposite,

you yell at it You project hate to it. It's gonna form malfigured and disfigured looking crystals Yeah, so it just shows like that's more what 70 80 percent water. So what is that doing to us? Yeah, that study alone pretty much proves hauntings to me. Yeah Absolutely, if there's tragic events that happen somewhere that energy is gonna stay there That's the thing that like always sticks with me. Like that makes sense. 100% to me. Like it's almost like this energy loop. And you go in there, you can document this like negative energy that's still there or positive energy.

But then when we get the things that are actually interacting with us and communicating with us directly, that's where it still like takes it to a whole other level of like, are these different dimensions of it? Is it like piercing through a different time period? You know, are they ghosts, what we think of ghosts, you know, like there's so many different theories that I love exploring and kind of, you know,

there's not one that I'm like, this is definitely it. Like I'm always still, you know, evolving and learning from it. The time travel theory is nuts. Cause I remember when you came on last time, you were like, the ghost knew you were coming some. Right. Yeah. Like that's crazy.

Yeah. We've had people like literally like, oh were like, the ghost knew you were coming somewhere. Right, yeah. Like that's crazy. Yeah, we've had people like literally like, oh, like the day that like we signed the contract that we're like locked in, we're gonna do this episode. Then someone investigated, like they were just in there and they're like, our voices came through, things like that. I remember like, wow.

Yeah. Well, I've heard from a lot of like spiritual people that there's no time when we pass away. Exactly. It's not linear. Yeah, so like basically everything that's happened is happening and will happening is all happening at the same time. Yeah.

And that could be what ghost encounters are. It's almost like certain spaces, there's like these holes that you can almost pierce through and see into these other, you know, what we call time periods. You know, but it's all happening. Like every reality is happening. So like what it exactly is, I don't know, but that's one of my favorite theories right now.

I hear also from a lot of people that Vegas is pretty haunted. Oh yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah. We just did a case. Uh, it won't be in this new season. It'll probably be in the season after that where we did a home here and we were all like, honestly, we were all messed up from it from a home.

Yeah. This house, like it had a fire, they think, was like all based around this object that this guy got. And I can't go too much into it, but we ended up, like the only thing we could do to help was take the object out of there. And we all got messed up. Some even worse than others.

But it's weird how like it happened. And then as soon as that happened, like all of us just were having issues Like all kinds of levels and unfortunately some of us even way worse than others. Oh my gosh Yeah, I gotta look into that one. So was that object curse you think or something? Uh, we think so It's just something about this one object that and that's thing There's certain objects that if it's to do with the energy or something like it's holding on to like just such an extreme negative energy that it affects people around it. Well I know in the museum there's a couple of those right locked in their glass case. Yeah absolutely there's a glass case

or salt like the Dibbock box is one of them. Yeah I mean there's a lot of things in there that I don't know I explore it so I kind of embrace it and I you know even though it's terrifying I guess could be cursed like we have like the they have the devil's rocking chair Which is like a cursed rocking chair and like I've sat in it You know it's kind of crazy, but like I was like I want to see what happens did your back hurt No, honestly like it was it was a weird moment, but unfortunately like but also good I guess nothing crazy from it for me at least yeah you know have you ever looked into voodoo dolls oh yeah you

think those are legit I think so I think there's a aspect to it you know where it's almost like I don't know I'm not dismissing it I know I try not to dismiss anything as a possibility because really anything is possible I think yeah but I think with voodoo dolls, a lot of it is knowing. It's kind of the same thing as manifestation or positive affirmations or negative affirmations. Like if you're going around every day of your life being like, man, I'm cursed,

even if you're not cursed, nothing happened, but you're like, I must be cursed. I've had bad luck and this is happening and this is happening and today sucks, I'm no good. That's gonna keep happening 100% you know you're gonna start noticing everything exactly But then you can change that by being positive and you know usually more positive you can be the more you know Outlooking you can be to the future and positive like things tend to happen better for you Yeah, and I think that kind of plays into like the voodoo world and curses like if you know like Shit like this person just did this to me. That's in your head now. Hmm

So like even if there's nothing I'm not saying there isn't but even if there is nothing on like a magical spiritual level That's doing anything which I think there is something to it I think there is but even if there's not just knowing that you're like, oh no, like cursed Yeah, you're gonna go around thinking that and then naturally bad things are gonna start happening. Have you ever investigated like a witch or like? Yeah. Something like that. Yeah, we've done witches.

We did a voodoo, I guess I forget her title, but like a voodoo practitioner down in New Orleans and watched her do some rituals and things and she definitely summoned up some crazy stuff. I remember we called pretty wild evidence down there. Really? Yeah. Wow.

That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. All the folk tales we learned growing up are actually like real, right? But it's crazy. Like when you get into like the idea of curses and stuff, in the new season, we actually do an episode at the museum. Yeah.

Because Zach got a new a new object it's ashes of this serial killer and Literally yesterday, you know, unfortunately, it's not gonna be in the show But we just found out the lady that brought that to us and we interviewed She just got involved in some crazy shootout like random thing with the police. No Yeah, like it's just weird how like these things happen. An old lady? Not old, like she's older, you know,

I don't know her age or anything, but like she just like, and it was just not so and something you would expect. Yeah. And I remember Zach sent us the article, you know, we were like, what, like what is happening here? It makes you wonder about like demonic possession and how people can be influenced to make certain actions.

Yeah, and it like kind of messes with you and almost overtakes you. And that was the thing with our premiere episode this new season, which starts April 16th, we dive into the Poltergeist house, which was the original location of the Poltergeist movies from the 80s. Yeah. Which I don't know if you know too much of that, but it's like riddled of controversy and tragedy. And there's a whole idea of a curse Four actors of the film died

either during filming or shortly after People had experiences at the house Like they feel like there was an actual curse which like kind of coincided with the actual movie plot So we go into that and what's crazy when we went into that is like this is just gonna be an episode and we got absolutely insane evidence like full-on like to me one of almost like the holy grail of evidence that you want to get and It was so impressive to us that we were like we got to dive even further So we went into even more and ended up becoming a two-hour special Wow. I'm gonna watch that one for sure That sounds crazy. Yeah, it's wild.

It's a 10 PM Discovery Channel. And then it airs, streams next day on Macs and Discovery Plus. Oh nice, I got HBO Max. That's good. You guys are leveling up. Oh yeah, it's wild. What platform did you guys start on? We started on Travel Channel.

Oh, on Travel Channel. Yeah, so we were on there forever. And then it was kind of weird, which was great. I love it all and very thankful. But we went from Travel Channel. Yeah, so we were on there forever. And then it was kind of weird, which was great. I love it all and very thankful. But we went from Travel Channel and then Discovery and Warner Brothers merged together and Discovery came out with their own streaming platform called Discovery Plus.

So, and then we launched a special at like the launch of that streaming service and it did so well. They're like, we want you exclusive now just for you know Discovery Plus like you're just gonna be all your new episodes so for about two years or so all our new episodes went strictly to streaming on Discovery Plus they would show reruns on Travel Channel still like maybe a few months later but then we went there for a while and then I guess two years ago they were finally like no we're gonna bring you back and they put us on so we air

on actual Discovery Channel now I think they still show stuff on travel like old episodes But everything new is on Discovery first and then streams next that's cool man. The longevity is impressive You guys got it longest running. Yeah, it's season 29. They're calling it like I don't even know exact like you think you don't They're calling it now, but no It's still going and that's thing too. Like, you know, these episodes, that's why I'm excited for people to finally see it. Cause we did these a while ago. Like, you know, we've been sitting on this kind of like, I want to talk about it.

I want to people to see this cause it's been amazing and we can't, you know, cause it's years ago. Not years ago. It was probably in like the last, you know, last year for sure. Okay. Poultry guys we did kind of sooner, but because of what we discovered and how it went, we pushed it up. We're like, all right, this has to be in this one. There was another episode we did down at Whiskey Pete's. I've heard of that. That's close to here, right? Yeah. It's kind of down by Buffalo Bills. Like when you're, if you're driving to LA, it's like that last, you know, batch of casinos around state line

and they closing down. So it was cool to be able to go to a casino that's empty and just quiet. And it's like, just that alone is so surreal to go into a casino and it's just super quiet. I remember during COVID, it was kind of like that over here. Yeah, it's such a weird feeling. It felt so weird.

It didn't feel like Vegas, man. But that was another episode that we did more recently. And we brought out the comedian, Matt Reif. Oh, he's cool. Yeah, but that was another episode that we did more recently and we brought out the comedian Matt Reif. Oh, he's cool. Yeah, he came out which was I was impressed like he's an actual like investigator like really He does his own ghost hunt. No, like he's a hundred percent hardcore into it Why it's really cool to see and really cool to be able to investigate with them But that was another episode that was like just so good that we're like, all right No, we're this this got to move up, like, this can't wait.

Like we wanna push this one out now. I love that, shout out to Matt. I remember Post Malone came on a few of your episodes. Yeah, we had Post Malone out. He was, and that's another thing, like he ghost hunted after that. I remember him hitting us up and being like, hey, can I borrow some gear?

I'm gonna do this ghost hunt here. Yeah. You know, we also do an episode, which was cool too. We brought out another guest at the Glen Tavern Inn. We bring out Jonathan Davis who's the lead singer of the band Korn. Oh wow. Yeah, which was another one like you know you wouldn't expect to be like into ghost hunting but like full on into it.

And I think what was interesting with him like he had a different take on things because before he was famous rock star, he actually worked as a mortician. Like he kind of dealt with that world in his own way. It was kind of cool to bring his energy and mix them with ours. Yeah. He probably saw some stuff. That's nuts. Have you, have you guys ever been denied from filming somewhere? Yeah, I'm sure. Like, you know, we reach out, there's a lot of places that like, I don't know, some places don't want the stigma

of being like, oh yeah, we're haunted. Like either people, like some, especially businesses, like they'll, sometimes they'll embrace it. And honestly, you can make a whole thing of it. You know, there's hotels that are like, we're the most haunted hotel in America. There's probably 50 of them that claim to be the most haunted hotel.

And like people go there because of that. But then there's other ones that are like, no, we don't even want to like, you know, encourage that. We don't even wanna like promote that we might be haunted or, you know, we don't even wanna talk about the bad history that we've had here. Vegas is a tough one. Like we've tried to do different places,

but a lot of like the casinos are just like zero. Like, you know, it's only positive press. Like we don't even want negativity or we don't want anything. And that's the thing. Like there's so much that goes on in these casinos that no one even knows. Like they cover it up. A lot of casinos have their own security, their own police force. That's like the whole like, you know, you know, stereotype, like they'll take you out

the back door sometimes, and like, you know, so it's not known really. It's not a big deal. Like, you know, people die, they kind of sneak them out and try to cover it up before the news gets out there. I heard there's like a death a week or something crazy like that. I mean, I'm sure just with like people getting trouble with money or even just suicides, you know, it's unfortunate, but like it's always happening.

Yeah. You recently did underground tunnels beneath Paris. Not recently. That was actually a while ago. Oh, that was a while ago? Yeah, but that was... I saw you on a pod talking about it, I think. That was probably one of the most surreal places, I think, I've ever been.

It was for a special we did called Netherworld, which was really cool. And we went out to Paris, and before going, we had it set up. So basically, under Paris, there's still 300 miles worth of tunnels that originally were mines but then during the plague times they ran out of places to put the bodies so they just started dumping bodies down in these old mines. Eventually they tried to clean them all up and they made like a museum, they made like a sanctuary that you can go visit and see all these bones and things like that and kind of like honor the people that died back then. But there's still these 300 miles of tunnels.

So we set it up with these guys that were gonna go down there, we're gonna tour the tunnels. And when we get to go do it, we had to push it back because of filming, we end up filming late and then we're like, can we just do it tomorrow night instead? And they're like, no, we're out.

And they just backed out on us. Wow. Shit, like we're already over here in France like this is we need this This is like the heart of what we want to do here if we don't have this like I don't even know if we can have a show but And so we're outside of our hotel and a fan walks by and spots us and we're all kind of in a bad mood And she's like what's going on? We're like, oh, we just lost our connection to go into the catacombs And she's like, oh, I know some guys that know the catacombs.

We're like, all right. So she's like, basically like called them. She's like, meet these guys at this intersection at this time of day. And it was like something out of a movie where like, we have no idea who these guys are. Like, we're just like, all right, we're just going to go meet these guys. And from a production standpoint, we're like, okay, we'll meet up with them. We'll do like a little, we'll film us meeting them, and then we'll kind of stop.

We'll change, put on better boots, and kind of prepare to go into the tunnels with different cameras. We literally walked up to these guys, and they're like, you want to go down there? And we're like, yeah, let's go. And they're like, all right, hurry, follow us. And they start taking off, and they barely speak English.

That's hilarious. And they lift open a sewer grate, and they're like, hurry, hurry, hurry, before anyone sees us. No way. And we're just like, all right. And they lift open a sewer grate, and they're like, hurry, hurry, hurry, before anyone sees us. No way. We were just like, all right, and we just run and we just go. That's hilarious.

And then we hiked for miles. There was times, one of the craziest things, when we first got in there, you could hear music bumping. We basically climbed down this ladder, basically into the sewer at first, and then from the sewer, we were walking down, and our guide was like, wait here, turns the corner, and I just hear yelling basically into the sewer at first and then from the sewer we were like walking down and

Our guide was like wait wait here like turns the corner and I just hear yelling in French I pull my pocket knife out. I'm like, I don't know what's going on here. Like, you know, I just it sounds pretty intense And then he comes around the corn. He's like the lettuce pass It was like something that like a Lord of the Rings kind of like vibe thing We're like what is going on and they're actually having a rave down there No way, but everyone down there, you know and like no offense anyone but like if you're down there You're not really you know Like you might be a sketchy character, you know, so they're like they'll let us pass. They're like just point cameras down Don't film anybody just and don't even like have them up like even if they think they're being filmed like they're gonna freak out

Yeah, they're like just point everything down on're being filmed, like they're gonna freak out. Yeah. So they're like just point everything down in the ground and just like eyes down, just walk through. And then we went and we just passed through that. That was like our first little experience. And then we hike for miles. We ended up like having to wade through water. That was like, we called it bone juice.

Cause it was like this weird milky looking water. And like it was like basically up to our chest, we're like, you know, like walking through camera gear and everything. Oh my gosh. And then eventually we get to a point where it's a T junction and our guys like climb in there, there was a hole. And so we climb in and it opened up to a giant cave and it was just filled with human bones.

Basically we were about 200 feet below an old cemetery and it was a plague pit. So like there's so many people dying of the plague. They would just dig these giant holes and just dump all the bodies in and just fill it up. So that's what we were literally walking in a plague pit. I'm surprised you didn't catch a disease over there. Right, yeah, I mean, but there was just bones. You can't even see a floor.

You're just walking through it, just crunching on bones. It was still to this day the most surreal place I think I've ever been. Did it feel like kind of haunted there? Honestly, not as much as you would think. We weren't focused too much on investigating that special. It was kind of more of like what people's beliefs are and the afterlife and kind of like how the dead are treated,

things like that. We did investigate a little bit and got some evidence. But I think like oddly felt like oddly peaceful in a weird way. Like I don't know if it's because like it's such a respected thing and they didn't make this shrine. Now they made this museum to like honor everybody that died. Obviously they didn't get all the bones. But I don't know if it's because it's treated with respect. It's kind of like, you know, became peaceful. Yeah.

They smell awful. No, honestly, didn't know. It was actually, honestly, surprising clean. Even the tunnels were just like, most of them were just empty. Like maybe a little like dirt kind of dust, but they were just empty tunnels for miles and miles. Yeah. You know.

They're finding a lot of underground stuff right now. Did you see the Egypt one? Right under the pyramids. You guys got to investigate that. I would love to get in there. That would be insane. Yeah. I wonder how many civilizations lived underground in the past.

Yeah. I mean, we're just, everything's built on top of it. It's, you know, wouldn't it be surprising to me, you know, I'm a big believer in like, we've been around a lot longer than what history is telling us. You think so? Oh yeah. And like we discover it. a lot longer than what history is telling us you think so Oh, yeah, and like we discover it and it's weird that like there's this mainstream block of being like, oh We're not gonna change anything. It's like but we have evidence You know, and it's okay. Like I don't understand why they won't just yeah. Yeah, like stuffs older

You've been around longer. Who cares? People are still gonna buy on Amazon people are still gonna buy on Amazon. People are still gonna go to work. People are still gonna flip through TikTok. It's not gonna change the world. So why not just embrace what it really is? 100%. Dude, it's a shame, because I used to love history class. And now I'm learning about how much was wrong.

It's like, wow. Yeah, and it's okay. It doesn't totally say that history was wrong. Those things happen. But there's just more. There's more to the story, which I think is amazing. I think that's exciting. I think that's even cooler than just being like, it's this and that's all it ever is. Yeah.

Have you guys done any ancient civilization explorations? We've done some stuff like in America's with like, you know, like Native American. We did stuff out in like the Navajo land, which like, you know, dates back. There's a lot of structures out there that, you know, I don't know if you'd call it ancient, but definitely like, you know, thousands of years old, uh, things like that. Um, we've done stuff like we were in Romania and Dracula's castle. That's, oh, that's in Romania. Yeah. That's cool. I might go there soon. Oh yeah. It's definitely worth it.

I think Romania was probably one of my favorite countries I've ever been to. I've heard great things. Yeah. Honestly, the food, like it's nothing special, but I remember, it sounds crazy, but I remember eating a tomato. I just ate it like an apple. And I was like, this is the most amazing tomato I've ever had. I could see that though, because I got like friends out there

and their grandparents still alive in their nineties, like rocking. Yeah, it's just, you know. They're just healthy out there. And what I noticed too is like going through, you see homes and you know, in America, everyone has like a nice manicured front lawn, you know, and a backyard they can just like party or relax in.

But in Romania, like the front yard, like there's vegetables growing. Wow. You know, the backyard, like they're actually using the land to actually be beneficial to what they need, like by growing vegetables growing. Wow. You know, in the backyard, like they're actually using the land to actually be beneficial to what they need, like by growing vegetables and fruits and things, not just for looks.

Yeah. Which I thought that's really cool. And I was like, that makes sense. That's why even just a tomato is like, this is a real fresh tomato. It's not covered in pesticides or chemicals or, you know, it's not shipped, you know, from like hundreds of miles away, you know, things like that. Like it's literally like they probably picked it out back and brought it to us. One of the downsides of Vegas, we got to import everything, right?

Exactly. Yeah. Damn, Romania. I can't wait to go now. Yeah. What other countries stood out to you? Romania was cool. I mean, France was fun. Like the culture there is really cool. Paris is a cool city. We did stuff in London which was really cool. We did these underground tunnels there. It was an old, basically a place

where the Hellfire Club would meet. Is that a secret society? Yeah it's basically a secret society that exists. Maybe they still exist, I don't know. They're doing well keeping the secret, I guess. But like Benjamin Franklin was a member. Really? And you know, there's a lot of things. It's kind of similar to like Illuminati type stuff. Interesting.

They would do rituals. But basically they dug into underneath the cemetery. That's the thing with like, you know, you have all these like elite people doing these things. It's like, do your thing. Like I'm not against you, but like you build it under a cemetery, like purposely, like that's kind of weird. And then your design is like these like shapes that are very like, you know, I don't want to say demonic, but they're like kind of associated with like devil worship things like that I don't really use shapes that you're creating or that and then you go down there and you do like hooded rituals like, you know

Sacrifice pigs and have like weird sex party orgies things like that So there's these tunnels outside of London that we did which was really cool We went down there and remember that being a really, really cool spot. Yeah. And then we went and we did, there was another fraction of the Hellfire Club in Ireland and they had like a beading house up on top of this mountain.

We went up there and we got to investigate that, which is basically ruins. What was interesting about that, at another layer, the ruins or not even the ruins, but what they built the original building was Was an ancient grave site. So like basically, you know ancient times They built this grave site for people and they used all these rocks to like kind of build like not like a full temple But it was like nice. Yeah, at least for ancient times

And then the Hellfire claim club came in for ancient times. And then the Hellfire Club came in, tore all that apart and literally built their clubhouse out of these stones that were used as this ancient burial site. Whoa. Yeah, so that place was really powerful in energy. I bet.

Yeah, certain places. Which actually I have a piece of that at my house. Oh yeah, that's awesome. Have you guys done Easter Island yet? No. That would be sick. That would be cool to see. You guys should get out there. Yeah, I think that's awesome. Have you guys done Easter Island yet? No, that would be sick. You guys should get out there. Yeah. I think that's another thing where like what we try to do too is like,

just try to figure out what really happened in places like something like Easter Island. Be like we can get communication and find out like what actually was going on here and why are these things here? Who were the people that really were doing this or, you know, would be an incredible to do that. You guys are phenomenal at the storytelling aspect with the build up. Yeah. It's impressive. Cause I mean, it's part of it or, you know, would be incredible to do that. You guys are phenomenal at the storytelling aspect. Thanks. With the buildup.

Yeah, it's impressive because I mean, it's part of it though. You know, it's part of knowing the history, knowing the stories helps us investigate better. Right. You know, yeah, because a lot of people just show up and they will. They'll like touch on it. But you guys actually like have detailed events and everything. Yeah, no, we'll dive deep into it and, you know, we'll do full research even on the spot sometimes. Like we go into these with very little knowledge honestly, just maybe a couple interviews set up, a couple notes of like basic history and then as we go and we start discovering

things we're literally doing it on the spot. Be like all right now we need to find, let's try to track down this person now and let's do this and you know Zach would be like a lot of it falls on me and we'd be like Jay, I need you to research this. Or we just, we were in a location in the new season. We do this place called the Rispin Mansion. And we went in there. It's an abandoned old mansion. But when we went in there, we found out that like,

someone was breaking in there and doing rituals. There was like symbols everywhere and stuff like that. And like, we didn't know that going in. Like we know that it was known for people breaking in and doing weird things, but we went in and found all this. And then right on the spot,. And like, we didn't know that going in. Like we know that it was known for people breaking in and doing weird things, but we went in and found all this. And then right on the spot, I was like, I'm taking pictures. And now I'm like, all right, now I'm gonna take some time,

you know, and like, you know, they might be doing other interviews and I'm stepping away and I'm, you know, trying to do research and trying to find out exactly what these symbols are and kind of dig deeper into what somebody might be trying to do in there. That's crazy. I remember one episode I saw you guys went to like the local library to read about the history of the building. Yeah, yeah, we'll do that too.

This is crazy. And I, you know, shout out to our production manager, you know, like who like literally like, I mean, all of us, we work together as a team, but like, there's times where we're like, all right, we need, we need a library, or is there like a local historian we can track down and you know they work magic for us like I think our team is amazing like for like on the spot being like all right give us some time and then like usually like within an hour like all right we got a spot we can go do this we got someone we could talk to and you know and then there's other times we just sometimes wander like we've grabbed cameras and literally just walk up and down the street of the town and people come up to us and we're like, hey, have you heard of this spot? Like do you know anything about it? And then some people like no or it's oh it's haunted

But then we'll find other people that are like, oh, yeah Like this happened and that we don't even know Wow and they're like, yeah if you talk to this person and then we're like, alright Now we got to find that person. It's like, you know real, you know real-time detective work. Yeah, that's cool Where was the most on edge you felt like? Have you ever felt unsafe somewhere? Oh yeah, 100%. I mean, there's a lot. I think still probably one of the most darkest, I don't know, places that I feel like I've been

was like the Demon House in Mary, Indiana, where Zach and I produced a documentary on it together. Was that the one where you said you felt like you time traveled in? You went through a portal? Not that one. documentary on it together. Was that the one where you said you felt like you time traveled in? You went through a portal. Not that one. This one was, uh, so Zach bought this house. Uh, basically it broke in the news that, uh,

like it was supposedly all these demons were living in there. It was a family that, you know, uh, CPS had to investigate them cause the kids were coming to school with like bruises and missing school and things. And then when they were investigated, they're like, it's a possession. You know, so at first it's like, all right, you're just trying to get out of being in trouble. But then CPS workers, they were investigated by the police, the chief of police, different detectives, all experienced out insane paranormal activity while they were investigating this family in this house. And even went to the hospital and like nurses and things witnessed this kid walk backwards up a wall, you know, and like that was like supposedly possessed.

So this news story broke out and right away Zach was like, we got you got to investigate this but like needs to be bigger. And it was cool because like he made an offer and he ended up buying the house so we had access to it whenever we wanted and we basically went there over the course of a couple years and made this documentary. We tracked down everybody involved and talked to them and even during that like we were constantly like getting hit with bad luck. Everyone that we brought into house like we brought the chief of police or to come in or one of the detectives I think it was to come in and kind of talk to us about what happened when he

came to the house. He leaves, he ends up right. Soon as he leaves, he's like, calls us. He's like, Oh, I just slipped on ice and smacked my head. I'm in the hospital. We're like, geez. We had, you know, we put in security systems. We had like the internet installed, things like that. Contractors were like, I just got no car crash, or the one guy that was doing inspection of the house, just literally within a week was like, yeah, I can't make it back, I'm in the hospital, I just got diagnosed with some crazy cancer.

Holy crap. All these things. Too many coincidences. Just kept happening around this house. What happened to you? It was just a depressing time thankfully I don't know, I mean it's hard to say

exactly but I know during that time was probably one of the most I'm a very happy chill guy but I feel during that time period I was just super depressed damn, you know just felt negative all the time it was just a weird chapter.

And honestly, I'm so glad we're over and you know, we've moved away from that. Yeah. Well, you're probably harder to penetrate than that sounded wrong, but like, you're probably harder to get like attacked because you're so used to it. Right, so used to it.

And just kind of, you know, I've learned how to keep my guard up and kind of know like, you know, when I do feel something is affecting me I'll take the steps that I know help me like you mentioned earlier like spending time in nature playing music or just Creating art like just doing something that creates positive energy This has been real fun. So new season drops soon. Anything else you want to go off with? I know I mean April 16th 10 p.m

on Discovery it's definitely it's a wild one and I'm excited for everyone to finally be able to see it. Yeah hold your guys house guys check it out thanks for coming back on man. Absolutely thank you. See you guys.