Digital Social Hour - Behind The Fights with UFC Champion Jamahall Hill | Digital Social Hour #43

Episode Date: July 10, 2023

Are you ready to dive deep into the mind and life of a champion? In this exciting episode of our podcast, we host the one and only Jamahall Hill. We stir up some entertaining conversation straight from the start, as I question, could we take on the best WNBA player? Jamahall not only gives his take but also calls for me to put my own dunking skills to the test! Journey with us as Jamahall opens up on everything from his thirst for competition to the focus on being a well-rounded fighter. Uncover fascinating details into the mindset of a true fighter, his views on choosing opponents and never doubting victory. Take a glance inside Jamahall's childhood, discuss his unique fighting style and the unmatched confidence that makes him such a formidable opponent. And guess what? That's not all! We delve into Jamahall's social media interactions, the hilarity of handling haters, and even a prankster incident that will surely make you laugh. We talk about the role money plays in relationships, the importance of integrity, the culture of competition and much more. It's not just a conversation, it's a rollercoaster ride through the life of a champion. This episode is bursting at the seams with powerful insights, wit, and a whole lot of charisma. So, why wait? Gather around fight enthusiasts, aspiring athletes, and everyone who loves a good, honest conversation, this illuminating episode is an absolute treat that you wouldn't want to miss. Grab your earphones, sit back, and dive into this exclusive pool of wisdom and entertainment- right here, right now! --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/digitalsocialhour/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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yes i can't dunk no more really i can't dunk anymore i mean except for unless it's on your big ass you said you were gonna give me buckets i'll give you buckets i'm gonna's on your big ass. You said you were going to give me buckets. I'll give you buckets. I'm going to dunk on your ass. You know what I'm saying? If you can't dunk, I think it's an easy win for me. Snap the cap. Welcome to the Digital Social Hour. I'm your host, Sean Kelly. I'm here with my co-host, Sean Chase. And our guest today, Jamal Hill.

The champ's in the building. The champ. Man, how's it going? It's going good, man. Business is booming. Yeah? We're doing all right, man. We're doing all right. What you been up to? Just traveling around, enjoying life. You've been traveling well.

I'm like, you're all living the best life right now. Yeah? Different city every weekend. Checking out all the fights, you know, doing appearances, staying tapped in with the fans, you know, just enjoying it. I'm calling this with champcation. Ooh. I like that.

That's going to become a term now. Watch. Yeah. It's going to start trending. What are you looking forward to? Any fights coming up? I don't have anything booked yet, but, you know, I've been vocal about it. I want the Yuri fight.

I want that one bad. I want him just dead. I've been wanting to fight him for years now. So that's the one I really want, but I'm not hearing anything, you know, and I'm getting tired of waiting. And now at this point it's next man up. They booked Blachowicz versus Pierre. I'm good with whoever winning that one, you know, giving them a title shot.

Book Blachowicz, let him fight, you know, and then just give me some. Man, bro, it's everybody. I'm here for everybody. I don't know why everybody think like, oh, he's picking the digits but i'm here for everybody i don't think you're picking anyway you you've been very vocal about anyone whoever's up there sign sign the paper let's do it have you ever gone into a fight like yo like i don't know if i'm gonna win this shit like this dude's nasty hell no confidence is unmatched bro i've never seen that looking at me bro i don't even you know the the the fact that i could actually lose never even crosses my mind wow somebody actually mentions it because i saw chael say uh with the john jones fight he knew

he was going to lose that right right yeah i saw that i just wondered if other fighters have that mentality i believe some do but not not not the not not the certain. It's a different breed. It's a different mindset. I don't have that. I don't have that at all. Because some people probably just do it for the bag, right? Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, it's a job. Some people like. I like money. I like to get paid, too. You know why I'm here. Nah, but like Ryan Garcia knew he was going to lose. He just did it for the bag, you know? Yeah.

I heard about that, too. I mean, apparently he was going to lose. He just did it for the bag, you know? Yeah, I heard about that too. Apparently he changed his whole team and camp and everything after that too. Oh, really? Yeah. Why? I guess he said his team abandoned him after the loss. Oh, shit. He was very vocal about it actually. Damn.

Yeah. So what were you like as a kid? Were you like a bad kid growing up? It depends on what you consider a bad kid. I think we were all bad kids to an extent, right? We're mad. I wouldn't say bad. I was strongly misunderstood.

There we go. I like that wording because public school kind of makes you into someone you're not. Right. You grew up in Michigan, right? You grew up in Michigan, correct? Yeah, I grew up in Michigan. I was born in Chicago. Okay.

So I had my younger years. My child, my adolescence was down in southern Illinois, that area area and then i moved to michigan when i was 12 nice and you're still there correct yeah and you're gonna stay there you don't want to move to oh no man um i don't know man it might be it might be time it might be that time to hit that old dusty trail get out different opportunities right that's what i'm saying i think you thrive in a big city man you'd be you dominate yes exactly i could see jamal kind of you know in like an la or a miami or a vegas or new york i think you're you know the big city suits you really well you know absolutely i think i was for for the brand that i want to create and all the things that I want to build and things like that, I think, yeah, a bigger market will be better.

You remember the first fight you got growing up? Like what happened? Like fight period? Street fight? Street fight, yeah. I mean, I told the story about how I knocked my best friend out when I was like two, three years old. What?

That's early. Yeah, we had a little discrepancy. Three discrepancies. Three? Can you even talk at that age? Actually, yeah, very well. But no, he thought it was a joke, funny to try to pee on me. I didn't think it was that funny.

Oh, shit. Wow, you got good memory. I don't remember shit at that age. It's not all exactly from memory. It's what I was told. My mom tells the story a lot. Man, so you got that dog in you from the start. Yeah, 100%.

I was built this way. Yeah, I feel like the best fighters have it in them. You know what I mean? Yeah, they're just mentally strong. They're born with it. You can't teach you can't teach it exactly yeah man so i mean what's like your signature moves like did you develop it or what did you always have it like i'm curious your style uh i don't i don't fire signature moves i don't know man some people everybody has things that they're good at. I try to more so focus on being good at everything.

Okay. You are pretty. Just well-rounded. Yeah, every single punch, every single strike, every single submission, every position, every transition. I just want to be good at everything. And you're very, like, well-versed where it's, you have your own style.

Like, I was, you know, we were talking about it. I was like, it's hard to try to even like for your opponents i've i experienced that it'd probably be hard for them to emulate your style because you have your own style no one else really has your stuff so it's hard to train against you know that's why and then you throw in the confidence and everything else that's why jamal's such a tough matchup man yeah you know you can't replicate the actual fight exactly i believe my yeah i believe my mind my mind is different. You know, how I see fights and how I see openings and how I take advantage of things is different. You know, I don't want to give you a break.

I understand how somebody mentally breaks down. Right. Because I've been in a position where it's like, oh, damn, this is exhausting. How much more can I, how much more can I? All of us have, you know. Of course. When you're in the gym, you're pushing, you're pushing. So I focus on that, and I've broken that down into to a science and that's how i like to approach my fights i like to be methodical and i like to

break people down right how much of the fight is mental in your opinion um like as opposed to physical yeah like when you're in the actual fight you have to be a hundred percent on your on your square yeah in a fight. It's not like this is 80% physical, 20%. It's 100% mental and it's 100% physical. It's the ultimate competition. It's the ultimate

sport. It's the ultimate physicality between each other. You got to think. If it's one sport that you know no matter what this dude's coming with everything he's got it's a fight you know who wants to lose a fight like that's primal it's a real fight like you know boxing is not a real fight that's why i laugh when people are like oh let's box and see what the better fighter is

that's that's not a fight it's a limited fight fight, you know, but it's not. This is a real fight. You know, you can use everything, and that's, to me, yeah, the pinnacle. It's the top. Because you could probably see it in your opponent's eyes when they're tired, right? And you know it's your time to take advantage. It's always different because some dudes have really good poker hands. Right. You know, sometimes you just got to understand the shot that you landed.

Be aware of the shot that you landed. And like, okay, that did some damage. Just keep wearing on. To this point, who's been your toughest fight so far? Tough as far as competitive? Yeah. Like where you were like, oh, that was a tough one. Like that really, you know, I had to really hone in on this.

I had to give it my all. And he was a very worthy opponent i mean pretty much all like a lot of my a lot of my opponents have been worthy opponents well yeah you've been fighting all the top guys probably the toughest opponent i had would probably be santos yeah and we we interviewed i'll probably say santos right just on it just on the strength of the fact of just how he came in. He came in to fight like it was his last fight. You know, he was really strong. So physically I had to match his physical strength in a way that was pretty much exhausting. Yep. And then I had just the uniqueness of his shots. Right. So some of the punches that he threw, like, you can't actually see them. Right.

You know what I mean? Wow. Yeah, he's slick with the way he throws. He looks like he's throwing, like, sloppy, like, winging shots, and you may think it's a winging shot, but he's actually got, like, a curve. Right. Whoa. He's got some English on there. Is it that yeah it's just it's just about so my throw it me it's just something about how he throws you know um it was just because i remember

it was like saying i'm like all right i see the hand moving you go to the normal traditional before you see it wow you get hit it's like what, what the fuck? You know what I mean? So, yeah, it was that. And then, yeah, just on the takedowns, he wasn't so much as focused on being technical as he was being strong as shit. Damn. You know what I mean? Which you got to match strength with strength

just so you don't get bulldozed over. Right. One thing I like about your division, the light heavyweight division in general, is that there's a lot of mutual respect for everyone there. Like, usually you see a guy in the top five, he'll win a fight, he'll start kind of talking nasty and saying, I want this guy, Johnny Walker,

who you defeated in his last fight, won, and very respectfully came to you and said, you know, hopefully I can continue getting some more wins and earn another match against you. I think that's how it should be. There's an etiquette, there's a respect that he's the top dog, you know? You got to get through him.

And other divisions sometimes will, you know, get a little disrespectful and sort of... Yeah they still i mean everybody's different on everybody and everybody with with with other people have different beasts right different whatever so you know it's it's all entertainment like how much would you really be drawn into if you got the exact same thing every single time that's true you know i mean so have you fought an opponent before where there was some animosity going into it? Yeah, the Paul Craig fight. That's right.

You guys were super cool afterwards, right? Yeah, so basically what it was was a lot of – I was already irritated with the fact that I caught COVID, so the fight had to be pushed back. That was irritating to me. And then whenever it was made out to be like, oh, I might be faking, whenever it was spoke upon, like, oh, I might be faking or anything, I take that shit personally, you know what I'm saying?

Now you speaking on, you speaking on, you speaking on, like, my heart and things like that. And that's something I actually pride myself on. That's something I actually put out there and put on the line, you know what I mean? And I won't respect it. So whenever that happened, you know, yeah, that did some animosity. And then from there, you know, his little, I mean, his fan base and some of the trolls took over from there and said some shit to where, like, you know, it was on the post over there. And me not being conscious, I really didn't know how Twitter worked for real, for real at the time. Because I had just got Twitter.

You mastered it now. The UFC made me get Twitter. I mean, they made me get Twitter whenever I got signed. So, you know, I wasn't fully aware. So I'm looking at it like, oh, it's underneath his thing, and he commented again so he must have saw it. So he must agree with it, like people saying some wild

shit. I mean, some of this shit was even some racist shit. So it was like, yeah, alright, f*** you. F*** your whole team. F*** everybody connected to you. So it's like, whenever I got in that mode, it was like that. Then I started building up. You start building up shit that don't need to be there.

You start focusing on shit that's not. That's not. It doesn't have to do with the fight. You know what I mean? That's not the fight. What happened in the fight was I just was just an arrogance. Don't get me wrong. I am good like that.

But at the same time, you got to show respect for the game. You know what I mean? It's danger. I am good like that. But at the same time, you got to show respect for the game. It's danger. It's always a danger. It's always a danger within the fight and within the octagon. So it's like I went in there and I went down. He didn't take me down. I went down with him. Willfully, on his terms and things like that.

You can't do shit like that. You know what I mean? So I got it right into a sequence that he had been drilling for months. He had spent six months drilling this to like, oh, please let me get in this business. And I gave it to him. Yeah. Wow.

You know what I'm saying? So it's like, ****. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, you take that and you learn from it. Ain't nothing I can't do but learn from it. No point in me getting mad about it. Just take the lesson and get better.

You know what I mean? I get excited when I'm able to get better and I'm able to grow absolutely how do you deal with haters on social media i laugh at them that's the best way to do it i'll be trolling back and they say oh don't let me find a part not even the smallest thing personal about you i will show flip that shit on you you know i mean i mean i'm gonna use i'm gonna use that troll medicine right right you know i mean something for the most a lot of times i do ignore it you know it's kind of funny but you know don't catch me on one of them days i got don't catch me on one of them days i got time because then yeah yeah so you get on your ass wasn't it last year usa wasn't it last year uh your manager uh brian didn't he set up like a prank with one of these media guys that came in?

You got mad and you almost beat him up last year. No. That video went viral. It was so funny. So, yeah, he got with the prankster. The prankster hit him up and was like, yo, I'm in town. I do this. You know, if you got any fighters or whatever, you want to get pranked, you know, whatever like this you want to set up,

you know what I mean, get with me. So he got with him because I say like April Fool's, I had called him, I had called him, and I pranked him making him think that I went and spent like a bunch, blown a bunch of money at the casino and shit. I'm like, bro, I'm tapped bad, bro. I need a loan and shit.

You know what I'm talking about? I was tapped, I need a loan. He's, oh my God. And like, bro, I'm talking like we literally had just talked about this shit. I was talking about I was talented. He's, oh my God. And like, bro, I'm talking like we literally just talked about this shit. Literally just talked about like, bro, don't just go crazy. Shit and shit like that. So I was like,

I got his ass with that one. So his response was to recruit this guy and he's like, so he's like talking to me. So that's why he was able to walk right up on me. So we're sitting there talking. Like, he's like kind of worried.

He's like, oh, we got to make sure such-and-such get tickets. I got this going with this, you know. I'm like, well, shit, bro. You know, like, you know, just trying to figure it out. Next thing I know, somebody coming with Jamal Hill. Now, in Arizona, if you've ever fought in Arizona, if you've ever been to a fight in Arizona, those people, like, they love. The fans there are great.

Diehard fight fans. Diehard fans. They literally come, they're outside the hotel all the time. They just want to interact. They want to chill. Like, you'll have, like, some of the smoothest shoot the shit breezes with them, like, waiting for an Uber or some shit, right? So, I'm thinking there's somebody coming up to me, like, on that Jamal Hill, you know what I mean?

I'm like, he's like 11-1. I was like, I didn't really hear the 11-1. He didn't really register to me. You know what I mean I'm like He's like 11 I was like I didn't really hear the 11 One he didn't really Register to me You know what I mean I went to go I went to go fist bump him And he left me hanging

Like Yeah so So I went to go fist bump him And he left me hanging So like he kind of Looked at it And then like He kind of looked at my hand

And looked me in my eyes Like on that You know Like with that type It was like Oh God I'll try you And like To me it's like You immediately It's just like What the f**k It's like So to type it was like it was like oh god i'll try you like and like to me it's like

you immediately it's just like yeah it's like so so to me it's instantly like get up get up and see are you sure i mean i should because for for the most part most people initially aren't aren't comfortable with that and they'll do a lot of talking but that initial kickoff they're not ready for that right so yeah it's just like that. Just to test his temperature. Yeah. You know, he's always a prank. He's a prank. He's a prank.

But fucking what it was, what surprised me was how fast Brian got. Brian immediately. Bro, he grabbed. I'm like, bro, you strong as hell. You better be glad. He immediately. If my feet had to come off the ground, he'd have been fucking fired. If my feet come off the ground, you lift me up, my feet come off the ground, you're fired. Yeah.

All right? That's too funny, bro. That's what it is. Man. What's it like after a fight? Like, does it take weeks to recover? Like, what's the longest you've ever gone? It depends.

It depends. What's the longest downtime you had in a fight? I dislocated my elbow. Oh, yeah. That's right. I was out for like five, six months. Jeez. I was out for just about five, six months.

You went out that same night, though, didn't you? You did. Yeah. That picture went viral, though, didn't you? You did. Yeah, that picture went viral. That probably didn't help. With a dislocated arm that night. So they like, I think they gave me, I don't forget, it was like morphine and something else. Like, I don't know.

When I was in there to help with the pain and stuff, then they sedate you and they knock you out so they can reset your arm. So it's like, I wake up, my arm's good. My coach is like, you ready to go? I'm like you ready to go i'm like let's go yeah let's go we like and at this point it's only like nine o'clock right like you know i mean so i'm like okay we pull up and pull back up to the hotel paul craig's the first person that i see he's already standing there he's got a beer he's like he's like i have a beer he's like he's like he's like hey i seen what i seen i heard about everything i was saying because he didn't know about the comments that were made on Twitter.

You know what I mean? So whenever he saw them, he's like, oh, yeah, that's crazy. And he was, like, genuinely, like, you know what I mean, remorseful and respectful about that and things like that. So we talked about it. And then from there, he just, yeah, bro, he was just like, have a drink. You don't pay for anything tonight. It's all on me,

which, which, which should be, damn it. You got the bonus. Yeah, you got the bonus. You know,

so yeah, bro, he bought the drinks, bro. We drank, we had fun. We went and ended up going to, going over to the after party.

Nice. Yeah, it was a cool shot of them. It went viral. Him and Dana? Him and Paul, right after they fought. Yeah.

Bro, it was packed in there. It was like, man. Him and Dana? Him and Paul, right after they fought. Yeah, celebrating. It was packed, bro. It was packed. It was like, I think it was me, Paul, Craig, Israel, Leon, Francis, Jimmy Manilow. It was like, bro. It was like... Damn. Everyone. It was like, yeah, bro.

It was like, oh, yeah, it was in there. We were lit, bro. Is that a normal thing like fighters go out with their opponent after oh no it's not no no it's quite the opposite actually that's why it was so cool and special to see that you know what it was what it was i felt i felt like in that like from all the animosity and everything that got built up for that and for me to be so be so wrong about somebody i had to wrong about somebody, I had to make the apology just as loud. Right.

You know what I mean? I had to make it right in just as loud of a manner and fashion. That's honorable. Yeah. I feel that. Was that the worst injury you've had? Yeah. Yeah.

That was the thing. Damn. Yeah, that sounds painful, bro. I think I spent like three weeks on crutches after the OSP fight and fucking calf kicks. Jesus. Oh, yeah. I remember we hung the day after the Santos fight, and your leg was a little banged up. Those leg kicks add up, right?

Because I can't dunk no more. Really? I can't dunk anymore. Damn. I mean, except for unless it's on your big ass. You said you were going to give me buckets. I'll give you buckets. Now I'm going to dunk on your ass.

You know what I'm saying? If you can't dunk, I think it's an easy win for me. Stop the cap. How often do you play ball now? These cap. How often do you play ball now? How often do you play ball? Anytime I'm, like, chilling and I just, like, want to get a workout or something. That's kind of like one of my go-to, like, workouts is to go get some ball. That's cool.

We all play ball. That's nice. That's awesome. We got to all play together. Yeah, I'm down. What else do you do outside of fighting? Like, what are your hobbies? I play.

I like playing video games. I got kids. I like hanging out with my kids. We watch movies, listen to music, dance, go play, things like that. Out of all the cities you've been traveling to lately, which one has really stuck out to you the most? Which one did you enjoy the most? You've been traveling a lot.

See, that look at the thing, because he's been traveling so much. He's like, let me think of all the places I've been going. They was all pretty. They're all cool in their own way. San Diego was dope. Miami was dope. I love Miami. Newark was dope.

Newark? Yeah. I've never heard that before. You're from Jersey, aren't you? Yeah, but Newark's not a good area. Newark? It was all right. Well, I was staying in Newark whenever we actually went.

I forget, what was that the UFC was staying? They were staying in, like, Morristown. Oh, Morristown. That's a way different than Newark. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Morristown was straight, though. Yeah, yeah. So when I went out there, Morristown was straight.

But I was staying in Newark, so to me, it's like, all right. Okay. Yeah, it was straight, though. You know, even the vibes, even me, it's like, all right. Okay. Yeah, it was straight, though. Even the vibes, even there, though, like the fight, like at the stadium, the fan experience, bro, the energy was incredible. Those dudes, they came out, supported, they had fun. That's one thing I'll say about whenever I attended the fight at MSG and the one in New Jersey, bro, the energy was immaculate.

Yucks. Yeah, I'm from Jersey. Wait, so back to the kids, though, because you got six you got six kids do you want to hit 10 or are you capping out at six i don't know man we're gonna hit those nick cannon nick cannon nick cannon's at 11 right he's at 11 yeah bro we're gonna see what i can afford each one's about a million they say right from 0 to 18 hey that's that's damn so that's six mil he's got right there oh you said hey look say look i'm a firm i'm a firm believer in uh kids get their own money oh yeah all right look what else they gonna do in life spend my money

yeah you don't want you don't want to be entitled yeah right no allowance what what what do they need they can get a little something they gonna have experiences they can go do some things as people that i feel like honestly you should get out and earn your own like i like that that's like the that's like and for the longest and for the longest i was like yeah no i'm gonna i gotta go i gotta leave i gotta build like no i'll have the foundation will be there but you will work and you will build your own right you know what i mean and um i've i've learned i've learned through through my oldest that yeah that's definitely something that's that's important right i feel that bro some of these child support numbers i'm not trying to

be a dick but they're like crazy bro have you seen some of these numbers it's nuts you don't need that much being a baby mama is a profession now it's a professional you got professional baby mamas trying to tell your baby mama's trying to tell you it's crazy 30 like what could you possibly have to pay for 36 000 a month a month who was that blake griffin 36 yeah 36 000 a month was blake yeah i think uh man i i said man i don't see some ridiculous i don't see i remember when Lamar and Khloe got divorced. Yeah. I think, I mean, I don't want to say random numbers, but, like, just her, like, skin routine was, like, 60 grand a month or some shit ridiculous. What?

I'm like, how is this possible? That's like, like, I talked to Floyd. I talked to Floyd. I talked to him about it. He was telling me at one point, bro, he was spending, like, six figures a month. Oh, yeah. Jesus. How many kids does he have?

He's got three. Oh, that's not even that much. They're all growing now. Did you see what happened in his exhibition match last night? Yeah, I seen that. I seen that. They got turnt up. They got turnt up.

Yeah, they did. So it was an exhibition match. Floyd was winning, and the ref calls it off. Floyd wins. And then the opponent gets upset and starts swinging on Floyd after the match is over. Really? Yeah. And Floyd caught him with a slick counter, bro.

That was nice. And then his whole team jumps in and almost kills him. But they weren't trying. They weren't trying. They weren't trying on him because I'm going to be real. Like, bro, if them boys really wanted to be on that type of time, nobody would have stopped that guy. Nobody would have stopped that.

And nobody would have been able to stop that. Nobody would have been able to stop that. It's like 30 dudes. It's like seven of y'all. They would have just dog walked all of y'all. But what it was, they're going to let you know what it was. They're going to let you know. Don't do that.

Don't fuck with the money, man. Don't fuck with the money, man. Do you roll around with security like that? Nah, man. Nah, I usually, I'm usually with just me and my boys. Really? Yeah. I should start having security, but people get weird sometimes.

I think more so security isn't for the protection. It's just to avoid. It's to protect my money. Exactly. It's to protect my money. Yeah, exactly. It's to protect my assets and things like that. So, I mean, the thought comes up from time to time, depending on where I am.

I feel that. You know what I mean? And things like that. But for the most part, I just be chilling. My chilling my guy's as small as kind of chill yeah right how do you invest your money how do i invest my money like right now i'm just trying to i'm right now i'm more so just saving my i'm lacking saving my money stacking and stacking it yeah stacking it so that way i can um i can fund whatever whatever type of investments i want i really i really don't want to go get too big off into loans and things like that.

Like right out the gate. Cause I don't know, but it's just the way my mind works. If I can't see it or like calculated myself, I really don't, I don't, I don't feel I'm not comfortable. Right.

You know, loans are risky, man. Every time I've lent money to a friend, like I don't think I've ever gotten a loan back. Yeah. Ever life just yeah exactly i'm not in something very few yeah the ratio isn't worth the risk yeah a lot of times whenever like especially like whenever you like whenever you like lending money to like her you it's got to be you just make sure it's a number that you're okay with losing exactly that's how i that's how i go about it i'm like all right i'll help you i've

never seen it back but it's worth helping you yeah it's more the thought that counts let's talk uh reverse sexism what are your thoughts on that first sexism what is yeah what is reverse sex like toxic masculinity this whole movement like andrew tate yeah basically trying to bring the old school the old school men back kind of like the old school men are getting hate like what are your thoughts on that uh man i think it's uh i think it's i got a lot of thoughts on it man you know what i'm saying like i i think it's i think it's bullshit you know i'm saying there's like toxic max there's the term toxic masculinity alone is it's toxic it ridiculous. It's basically a way to demonize the wants and the natures of men. Just male nature.

You know, it's like anything a man is not able to say what he wants and things like that without being, oh, you shouldn't this or, oh, you you shouldn't that but on the other side of the spectrum bro they can literally say delusional crazy and it still be oh you go girl yeah you deserve that you don't settle you attend you a queen you you deserve the best and all this and that without putting out without putting in any work for anything you know what i'm saying so like, like, to me, that's just, that's, that's, that's just, like, things like that is crazy. I get it. Like, I get the agenda, though. That's how you keep, you know what I mean? How you keep the poor, how you keep the poor poor and the rich rich. How you keep the

haves, haves with having, and the have nots not having anything. Divide and conquer. Give them a bunch of problems, a bunch of shit that don't matter to focus on, rather than focus on the things that actually make you prosper and, and build in this in this society and in this world that shit is executed the shit is working flawlessly yeah it's it's working well because we gotta be careful what we say oh yeah it's like damn i was like as

soon as you brought it up i was like that's why no yeah the thing i spend the most time on is the editing just to make sure everyone looks good i'm trying to tell you bro even like like like the whole like the whole andrew tape thing is it's crazy bro like you you put a man in prison for months for months for months with no evidence no evidence without no charge and then he will then you allow me he's on he's on house arrest all because you don't like what he's saying. Right. And what he's saying isn't even bad.

It just doesn't fit your narrative. Exactly. It just doesn't fit your narrative or how you want to weaponize whatever you're doing in society and things like that. And he's just telling young men, yo, be strong. Be assertive of yourself. Be a man. Be a man. There's nothing wrong with telling somebody, be a man.

Because we need men. You need to be a man. We need to be men telling somebody be a man because we need men you need to be in men we need to be men without men what do we have right that's true you know what i'm saying yeah you ever get worried about if a girl in the past comes back and wants money or wants to like put you in a bad spotlight yeah i mean that's something you worry about constantly you know uh that's why i'm i. Because nowadays, they don't even need proof or evidence, nothing. They can just say it. Accusation. Yeah, it's just the accusation. And the press will pick it up.

An accusation could be so damaging that by the time you clear your name, the average person has only heard the accusation. They don't know that you ended up clearing your name afterwards. Johnny Depp. You know? That's what Andrew Tate's doing. Dealing with that's purely accusations. And literally, there are

a good majority of people in the world like, I don't care. He needs to be in prison. Just because you don't like what he says, because you don't agree with his opinion. That's wild. It is. That's wild. Regardless of anything, whether you like him or not. I mean, I don't have to be a dire supporter of the thing, but it's

just, I know when something is wrong, bro. When you're doing shit that's wrong. Come on, we all know what's wrong you like it's crazy did you see that you see that bbc interview yeah it was a joke yeah it was a complete joke it was a setup like how it was yeah yeah it was an attack an attack from the start how do you have so much fun making yourself look ridiculous yeah it's crazy yeah so how do you choose the woman you date like what role does money play for you? Do you care if they're successful at all? No, absolutely not.

Like, money in a relationship from a woman's standpoint means absolutely nothing. Her money or status doesn't mean anything. Just looks? Huh? You just care about the looks? I mean, that's the door opener. I don't just care about the looks. But that's what gets you in the door. That's what gets you in the door with anybody. Right. You know what I mean, that's the door opener. I don't just care about the looks. But that's what gets you in the door with anybody.

You know what I mean? But, no, the character has to come in and cast a plan of that, respect, things like that, how she carries herself. Mutual understanding and all that stuff. Yeah, mutual understanding and things like that. You know, just, yeah, a lot of things like that play into it as far as in terms of picking a partner of things like that playing to it as far as in terms of picking a partner and things like that but you know for the most part when you're just out trying

to have fun though and shit like that most yeah but do you think about a lot of girls try to date you for like status do you feel that way or do you think they genuinely want to date you for who you are um i mean i mean it's hard i mean you it's hard it's hard to tell but it's like it's not like it's not like it's not like always like like uh girls just like always coming in like oh date me date me date me date me that's not even the way that modern day society works operates really in terms of that now it's just more soldiers kick it kick it yeah exactly yeah they're not in your dms though i heard pro athletes get a ton of fucking girls

bro it ain't like that that's why like whenever whatever whatever like sometimes whenever uh guys like some podcasts use the example of of of of a of a of a guy with status and things like that and what his his his the attention he gets as opposed to it really ain't like that bro you gotta think there's a there's a very very huge plated in sense of ego and like in just american society today you know what i mean so so somebody so a girl who feels like she was like who's like who's pretty i mean she could be a solid solid five solid six. Average and just above average, she's going to get a lot of attention.

You know what I mean? She's going to get a lot of attention. And then at that point, she's going to start to look at it and decipher, oh, yeah, I get attention from these guys, but I deserve this guy. You know what I'm saying? So then they start to feel entitled to the guy on that level. And then when has anybody ever respected anything they felt entitled to right yeah fresh and fit talks about this all the time fundamental fund and what's the most fundamental thing with men men value respect so that's the most fun one of the most fundamental things that is the most fun that is the most fun

if you don't have respect if you don't have a reason because if a woman don't respect you you can't be with her no that's true. That's very true. What are some of your vices? What do you get into when no one's watching? What do I get into? Nobody's watching. Fights, man! I mean, I do my thing, man.

You know, I still do my thing. I love it. So Vegas has become like a second home for you, right? Yeah. You're here all the time. Yeah, I come here my thing. Okay. I love it. So Vegas has become like a second home for you, right? Yeah. You're here all the time. Yeah, I come here a lot. You were hosting the Flanker opening this past weekend. That was cool. And you're here all the time now, right?

Yeah. Thinking about getting a place out here anytime soon? Yeah, man. Yeah, yeah. Eventually, you know, with the PI being out here, that's... And the fans here love you. Yeah. The Vegas fans love you.

And then I get a lot of stuff done here yeah like you know i'm able to only connect with connect with guys like you guys you know and other other other content creators other fighters and things like that and things that just keep me busy right you know as opposed to honestly going around but it's not a whole lot to do like you go train you know you go do your thing right and it's always just kind of routine yeah yeah i like that we went to michigan late recently and it was i liked it man it was so just blue collar hard working but and it's nice to get away from like you know some of the fakeness that some of the big cities have you know so let's say more than some yeah let's say all of them

the glitter on life yeah how do you keep your circle like tight and not fully yes man because a lot of fighters struggle with that just honest people i just got the same i just i just got the same people around yeah and yes man being a yes man really don't don't work with me just because of how my mentality is you're real because i'm gonna ask because i because i'll even actually i actually something even if i'm already if i'm already knowing or if i'm sure so i'm actually just to see you know i mean just to see like where your head's at or how we or how real you'll shoot it to me and things like that so you know it's just it just it turns it at you know competence if things ain't working out then you know you got to fix what you got to fix where it's where

it's not working yeah because i feel like that's a downfall for a lot of people. The yes man. Yeah. I mean, Conor McGregor, I didn't want to say his entire circle, you know, but you know, it is what it is. So, but yeah, you're, you're real. So you attract, you know, real, real people around you, you know, and you keep all your day ones, which is, and I check myself, you know what I mean? I check myself constantly.

That's good. That's good. That's the most important thing. How do you, yeah. How do you keep your ego in check? Cause you're so successful, you know, mean i check myself constantly that's good that's good that's the most important it is how do you yeah how do you keep your ego in check because you're so successful you know you're the champ like because i don't i don't feel that way because i don't look at myself as that like how a lot of people look at me that's not the light that i look at myself i feel like i'm still trying to make it i'm still focused on the goals that i still that i'm still trying to accomplish so and then doing that so i kind of i think it kind of keeps a narrow scope on where i where i am where's so i kind of i think it kind of keeps a narrow scope

on where i where i am where's where's you know i mean it's actually yeah i'm a world champion i'm on i'm like this but to me it's just i'm just still grinding bro speaking of like content creator you're probably the like the biggest influencer fighter in the ufc i don't think there's any other athlete that's as popular on tiktok as you. You're making all kinds of cool content. How did that kind of start? Is this something you've always done? You've just been an entertainer and you're like, I want to...

Because you're popular on TikTok, man. Your stuff's hilarious. We've talked about this before, too. Yeah, yeah. I've always been like that. I was in the video production back when I was in high school when I was younger.

So, you know, my senior project thing I did, I just did a comedy DVD with a bunch of skits on it and things like that. So, you know, I love Dave Chappelle and things like that. So I was always into comedy and then finding a joke in something and spinning it to where you can get a laugh. I like making clever jokes and giving like that, you know, like that's funny type deal. So it just comes natural to me. It's just something I enjoy doing. It's something I have fun with. That's cool. You know deal so it just comes natural to me it's just something i enjoy doing it's something i have fun with that's cool you know so it's so it's just it just really really comes it just really really comes natural to me and not only that you know it's a good way

to get conversations started i like the interaction you know sometimes i'm bored you know and there's stuff hilarious absolutely yeah this content is really good so is that going to be your transition exit plan because a lot of fighters, after they retire, they stop making all that crazy money. Do you want to go into media afterwards? Yeah, I think I want to go into entertainment. I actually have a binder at home. Whenever I used to work factory jobs,

because before I got to all this, I was working factory jobs. I didn't go pro until I was 26. Wow. So it took me time to actually build up to where I was to where that was where i want to be and the time i was in fact that's how i got through the days just writing writing movies writing stories i love that you know just locking in on that to kill to go through shit so i'd like to see some of those stories brought to life you know and see if they see if if they can if people can are as drawn to them and excited about them have as much fun as I did whenever I was sitting up thinking I'm creating them in my head.

So you come from an entertainment background. That's something you want to do. Who's the top person you want to work with eventually in entertainment? Who's someone that from an early age, you manifest it. You're like, this is someone I'm going to work with. I'm going to be honest. It's going to sound crazy. I don't want this to be like, no, this really ain't like no cloud thing.

But I truly, truly wanted to meet Kobe Bryant. Me too. I truly, truly wanted to meet Kobe Bryant and sit down, have a talk with him, and pick his brain. Just how he spoke. His mentality. Yeah, his mentality in which he spoke. He was kind, but he was firm.

He let you know the real, but also spoke to you from a place of encouragement and things like that. It's just his mind really fascinated me, and that was the mind I really would have liked to sit down and pick his brain. Yeah. He was going to change Hollywood, bro. Yeah. Yeah. And just the work he did for the WNBA. Like, WNBA is so popular now because he kind of ushered in.

He was like, hey, this is great. Let's start. I wouldn't say popular. It's more popular than it's ever been. How much money they make this year? You know what? It's the money channel, right?

I cannot believe you used that example in here. I cannot believe it. He couldn't use any example. How dare you? Did you see here. I cannot believe it. He could have used any example. How dunce you? How dare you? Did you see Shaq's proposal on it yesterday? No.

He said they should lower the rims because they don't dunk. And that's like. It's like, yeah. It's like watching a high school game. Yeah. There's no dunking. The dunk factor is what makes it NBA. Wasn't dunking illegal in the WNBA for a while?

I don't know. Yeah, for a while you couldn't. It was like. Really? Yeah. You think we watched it to know? dunking illegal in the WNBA for a while? I don't know. Yeah, for a while, you couldn't. It was like, yeah. You think we watched it to know? You ain't watching to know. That's why you're guessing. This is 100% true.

All right. Don't do that, Sean. Don't do that. Real question for y'all, and answer honestly. Do you think you could beat the best WNBA player one-on-one? Yes. Yes. You serious?

Yes. Yes. All right. Do you? I don't know. Don't they score a lot? No. Well, I think the...

I saw... I know because I saw on ESPN, they posted one of the players the other day got like the highest point total that anyone's ever gotten in WNBA history. Are we playing with a girl ball or are we playing with a guy's ball? It would be a guy's ball.

Oh, 100%. Actually, girls. Girls. Even still, yes. Even still, yes. Yes. But still, though. But still, though, like, don't get me wrong, bro.

Some girls are good. I like that. But I'm still an athlete. Brittany Griner's a beast. I still play basketball. I still play basketball for years. And I still have every physical gift advantage over them that I go. You know what I'm saying you would just use your body you know what I'm saying yeah I just use the fact that I'm fat the fact that I'm quicker I've I'm I mean my like like guys are

just physically or just physically yeah just you just have we just have the physical age right right yeah not wrong which is why guys should be competing against guys yeah girls exactly yeah that's a whole other topic. What are your thoughts on this whole, like, the transgender because, like, there's men. It's a whole other topic. He perfectly steered us away from it, and here you bring us back

to being cancel. No, because it's become a thing right now. And it's mainly happening in MMA. Really? Is it? Well, there was this track. There was a fighter in MMA, Fallon Fox. That was like. It was years ago. It was like, shit.

It was like five years ago. That was like, oh, that was more than five years ago. Was it? That was a while ago, bro. I thought it was like 20 years ago. Wait, so it was a dude? It was a male that transitioned to a female and fought female MMA fighters. You didn't know this?

Yeah. Dude, bro, he beat this one chick like swole ahead of her. Yes. Blame swollen and everything. Ashley Lee Evans. Ashley Lee Evans actually beat him. She beat him, yes. I saw this guy say he declared himself as a female

for a poker tournament and he ended up winning it. Yeah, he won the whole thing. It was a loophole. It goes both ways, I guess. I'd rather not face a girl personally. i wouldn't want to keep it separate right i agree personally yeah man what's next man tear this whole fucking division apart bro you already did nah nah i haven't yeah no he's got he's he's got his eyes set on a few. I'm my eyes set on everybody, bro.

Like, I'm dead ass. Like, I want a piece of everybody. I want a piece of everybody. How many times a year do you see yourself wanting to fight? I want to fight at least three times a year. Wow. And that's so rare to hear champs say that. Champs are very much like, once a year, you're going to get me in there.

Because they want to hold the belt. I'm here to scrap. I want to fight at least least three times i wanted to fight three times this year you know i wanted to i wanted to do the fight in january fight international fight week and then try to fight again maybe november december right you know to close out the close out the year right that was that was what i wanted but now i'm stuck i'm stuck on kind of in pause still see what happens. Yeah, exactly. When you're watching film on opponents, are you able to see their weak spots

and just take advantage in the fight? Yeah, I'm very technical in my breakdowns and things like that. I break down everything. I pay attention. There's nothing that's insignificant that you do that I won't pay attention to. And my mind just works different.

Like, certain of the most unnatural, unorthodox things somebody can do. And to me, I'll just instantly think of a combo of a way just to take advantage of it. Wow. Right? And it's like, I surprise myself, you know? So, that's sort of my gift like um like i um i used to i used to i haven't done it i haven't i haven't really done it recently i i kind of i kind of i kind of gotten back to it not really well it used to be whenever i get an

opponent i write his name down write his height down i go watch all his fights i look and see i look and see what stance what stance you see what stance you did the worst against, what shot they hit you with the most, what shot landed. No, just consistent things that I see happen. Like maybe from softball, you don't defend left hands that well. Maybe from orthodox, you don't defend lead hooks that that way you don't defend right right uh right straights that well if i watch especially if you have a lot of fights out there i'll go and i'll watch your fight and i'll mark it down how many times you got hit with this shot from this one and then do the numbers do the numbers do the

numbers and the breakdown from there and then start to start to make my creative create my openings and things from there and start building my philosophies for that fight from that. Damn, I didn't know that much went into it. Not everybody thinks like that. Not everybody thinks like that. Wow. I have, like a lot of people, I have philosophy. So before, so the minute you do something, already I've trained my mind, memory, muscle memory kicks in

to instantly know what to do whenever you do it. Damn. That's insane. That's how Johnny Walker got knocked out. I was going to say that right now. I was just about to say that's kind of how I feel that you caught Johnny in this fight. You know, he did. It wasn't just a fact. It wasn't just a fact.

I knew when to turn over. I knew where he was going to be, and I knew how to land that shot. And I actually got that. I actually got that shot. I got that from Floyd. Really? It was a pull-punch counter. Yeah, you're right.

It was just a pull-punch counter. Yeah. You know, and I actually, like, whenever I seen it, I started, whenever I seen it, I started, like, all right, I want to learn this. I want to start to implement this into my game. Right. Because what it does is what it does help you, what it gives, it makes people, it's a counter to a jab.

Right. So it makes people actually think more about their jab. You know what I'm saying? So I asked him, I was like, what's the, I text him, I'm like, what's the trick? Like, what's the, how do I improve this and make this better and make this the most optimal? And he said, just keep trying it on different opponents. When you're sparring, you're sparring, just keep doing it. Just keep setting it up.

Just keep setting it up. Keep finding it. And I did that. And I did that for a couple years. A couple years. And then before the Johnny Walker fight. And then whenever the Johnny Walker fight happened, he threw a jab. He threw a jab, caught me with it.

We went around. He threw some kicks, threw some kicks. And then he threw the jab again. And it landed. And I was like, okay, he's comfortable with his jab. You see? I was on my switch. I switch.

Set him up. Bang. Boom. Damn. Lights out. That's crazy. So a lot of preparation. The minute he threw set him up, bang. Boom. Damn. Lights out, yeah. That's crazy. So a lot of preparation. So the minute he threw, the minute he threw the jab, man, he was already sleeping.

You were waiting for it. He was already sleeping. And that's like a safe punch for most people. They don't expect to get knocked out of a jab, right? That's the thing, man. In my mind, I understand that there is no beat-all move. There is no one thing you can do in a fight that doesn't have a counter. Everything has a counter.

So if everything has a counter, all you have to know is when to implement those counters. And that's what I focus on. Wow. So your strength is your defense, then? My strength is my mind, my IQ, my ability to see things and notice them. See the little things that the average people don't see. Yeah, that's crazy. Who are some fighters that you enjoy watching?

I'm a fan of these guys. I know it's probably a lot, but some guys that you're like, I'll never miss this fight. I'll never miss her fight. He watches them all. I'm trying to narrow it down even more. He's a student of the game. Or who's someone that you watch and you're like,

okay, maybe I can pick that up, pick that up. That's something I haven't seen. Most of the dudes, I done already picked them dry. You know what I mean? One of the guys, as far as MMA, that I learned a lot from watching, I've taken from Anderson Silva, Dustin Poirier, Max Holloway, Nate Diaz.

Some of the best boxers. Some of the best stand-up guys right there. You feel what I'm saying? I've learned. I've picked up things from Izzy. I've picked up things from, shit, from Cyril Ghosn. I've picked up things from the new guy, Sergey Poblavich. Like, I'm able to learn.

Like, I don't stop learning. You know what I'm saying? So, I can learn from anybody. I like watching. I just like watching. I like watching good guys and I like watching entertaining fights. What are your thoughts on Amanda Nunes' retirement? She went out on top. I was surprised.

Were you? I was. I was a little surprised. I just wasn't expecting it. I wouldn't have expected either, but I saw an interview she did a week ago where she said she contemplated retiring after losing to Juliana the first time. And the only reason she didn't retire is because she didn't want to leave. On an L? No, she didn't want to leave with Juliana as the champ. She actually came out and said, if anybody else beat me, I would have probably retired.

I didn't want her to leave her as a champ. So I kind of, you know, but it's rare to see that, you know, on top of the game, cleared everybody out. Jordan did it. Who did it? Jordan. Jordan, you're right. But in MMA, it's hard to see. It's rare to see that, you know.

For sure. Because people usually end up losing and then they retire, right? Yeah, they'll just end up losing and not retire make that type of money, just to be able to retire in this age bracket of mid to late 30s, early 40s. You think about how much money you really have to make in order to set yourself up for the rest of your life. Probably 10 mil. You get what I'm saying? Yeah. And that's with investments and resources in place as well.

Right, right. You get what I'm saying? So that's just, yeah, bro. Yeah, not a lot of people can do that. Not a lot of people can do that. You know, I was just at that Cage Warriors in San Diego. And, like, you know, like, Chris Lehman was there. Lehman was there.

He's a judge now. He's judging now. Yeah, he's part of the commission now. Frank Trigg is judging and reffing now. Wow. And things like that. And don't get me wrong that's awesome those are the type of guys you want to see doing those jobs but part of you have to wonder after after ask wonder are they doing this because they want to or because they have to right you know what i mean yeah yeah yeah that's a good

point that is a good point 100 and maybe it's a little bit of both you you you hope that it's because they want to yeah because it's they love the sport and it's their way of still kind of core me and you know yeah give him back exactly you know man that was a great episode any closing thoughts my man i know man that's a great talk bro it was a great time thank you so much for joining us i know you pushed your flight to make this today so we appreciate it appreciate you man thanks for coming on. The champ. Yeah, digital flower. Thanks for tuning in, guys.

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