Digital Social Hour - Being Miss Las Vegas & Nevada, Running for Congress & $50M Real Estate I Lisa song Sutton DSH #421

Episode Date: April 18, 2024

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Now, everyone that I went to school with, they're either partners at their law firm, or they own their own law firm, or they're not in law and they turned entrepreneur like myself, or they're in real estate, or name your industry. And I literally can just pick up the phone and call one of my old classmates, and they're a resource. That's incredible. Yeah, that's something people don't even focus on when they're in college, the networking aspect. But it can be really good. Wherever you guys are watching this show, I would truly appreciate it if you follow or subscribe. It helps a lot with the algorithm. It helps us get bigger and better guests,

and it helps us grow the team. Truly means a lot. Thank you guys for supporting, and here's the episode. All right, we're here with Miss Las Vegas, Lisa Song Sutton. How's it going? Good. Thank you so much for having me. Absolutely. You've done a lot of interesting business endeavors. Started off with cupcakes, right? Did over $10 million with cupcakes.

Was that in one year or how long of a period was that? It was throughout, once we started the company, just maybe five years in or so. So $2 million a year on cupcakes. Yeah. Once we started getting the ball rolling, then it just became a thing of its own and had that for 11 years. That's insane. What do you think made that company stand out?

Because there was probably other people selling cupcakes, right? Definitely other people selling cupcakes. And in fact, we didn't even learn this until we started the company. There was another company that was already selling alcohol-infused cupcakes. And so we were like, oh my gosh, what is happening? And we realized, look, let's make our marketing different. Let's make the products different. And we created a cupcake where the filling was injected into the cake after it was baked. And that was how we got the alcohol in. And the other company was pouring alcohol into the batter and then baking the cake. So we were like,

look, we have a totally different product, totally different look and style to it. And in short, we outlasted the competition. Interesting. Yeah. To make it 10 years of business, I think only two or 3% make it that long. So props to you there. And what did you do after the cupcake stuff? So the cupcakes, one of the main things that it taught me was that I can have my own company as long as I team up with an operations partner. And so I took that model and just kept replicating that over and over through real estate, e-commerce, mailboxes. And those are the endeavors that are around. I think like any entrepreneur, I definitely have companies that I started and helped co-found that are no longer in operation. But it's that consistency to wanting to stick to the plan and then just keep trying over and over.

Yeah, I want to dive into the mailbox one because that's a company I've never seen someone do before. So you basically own hundreds of mailboxes, right? Yes, exactly. So think of mailboxes as mini storage units. And we rent them out monthly and they're housed inside of an independent mailbox rental pack and ship store. So think like a UPS store, but independent. And with these stores, the concept of an independent mailbox store was definitely not something that I created on my own. They've existed for at least decades. But with us, I think one of our differentiators

is that we like to have it be a micro local place that is really helpful to the neighborhood and the community. Yeah, that's so cool because it's useful because it makes your business also look more legit when you have an address and it's not your home address. Exactly. So we have a lot of our mailbox customers who perhaps they either work from home

or they have some sort of side hustle that they've started, whether it's real estate investing, whether it's an Etsy store, even some people have podcasts. They have some type of business that they run that just like you said, they don't want to utilize their home address for not just front-facing websites or things like that, but also your paperwork with the Nevada Secretary of State.

When you create an LLC or a corporation here in Nevada, you have to put address information. And what some people don't realize is that that is information that does get posted online and it's readily available. So just for privacy purposes, it's really important to have a business address. Absolutely, yeah. I didn't even know that and I list my house. So I need to fix that probably. Hopefully I can fix that.

Yes, you definitely can. I also know you're big into real estate. You got a fund, right? And you raise money there. Yeah, so with the real estate, I own Angle Invokers, which is a real estate brokerage here in Las Vegas in Henderson. We're actually getting ready to open our Henderson location. We moved it from the district over to Raiders Way. So we're super excited. That's where I live.

Nice. Okay. Yeah. West Henderson. It's the new Henderson apparently. Yeah. They're building a casino out there. Yes. Yeah. We're super excited to be there. Yeah. And then with the fund, it's called the Veteran Fund and it's a venture capital fund. And we invest in early stage technology companies that are focused on national security and dual use. Why did you specifically go after those types of companies? So when you say that you invest in tech, it's such a broad blanket and it can mean a lot of different things. For us with the fund, it wasn't just to make lots of money or to get a good return on investment. I think there's just a lot of different things you can invest in

or a lot of different avenues you could go to, real estate, one of them. But with national security and defense, this is an area that is so integral and mission-driven and it's so important to our country. And the veteran angle where they must have a veteran or a military spouse on the leadership team. My three other partners in the fund, they're all veterans. I'm not a veteran myself, but I come from a military family.

My father was a Vietnam veteran, worked for the Air Force, and then worked for the DOD while I was growing up. Nice. non-veteran, worked for the Air Force and then worked for the DOD while I was growing up. And I think that by actually investing in these veteran-led companies is truly the best way to thank them for their service and to empower them. I like that. Yeah. More veterans need support like that. That's cool to see you did that. I also saw you were part of YPO. And I remember asking you questions about that. And I'm really impressed with just your network in general. Would you say a lot of that came from being part of masterminds like YPO? Absolutely. YPO has been an incredible organization, not only from, I guess, just a network standpoint, even though it's not a networking group per se. And I didn't join for

like a network reason. They're really focused on personal development. You participate in what's called the forum experience where you have the chapter, like the Las Vegas chapter, for example, but then you're broken down into smaller groups of between six to nine people. And that's your forum. And there is no other competition within the forum as far as industry.

And everyone within the forum is held to very strict privacy and confidentiality. And you meet once a month for four hours in person. And that experience, I think, over the last couple of years really has been one of the dominating forces of me growing on a personal level, which naturally has integrated itself across business and everything else. Wow. Yeah. Speaking of personal, I saw you dive into health recently. You got a full body scan, right?

Recently, I've been getting into stem cell exosomes. Yeah. And there's actually a doctor based out of Henderson. His name's Dr. Jeffrey Gross. And he has a company called Recelebrate. And it was such an incredible experience. I got turned on to it by a close friend of mine from law school named Ricky Patel. And he had gone through the treatments and had found this doctor. And I was like, I'm coming. I'm tagging along and um i've done two treatments

now and i just i feel like i have more energy more mental clarity um and i just overall feel like i i feel better and look better wow and that's from stem cells stem cell exosomes yeah so these are um spun off of stem cells okay um and uh there's kind of ways, and this is my layman non-medical retelling of it. There's kind of two ways that you receive the exosomes. It's either direct site injection, where there are some folks who have a direct, let's say, injury or pain, maybe your neck, shoulders, elbows, knees. I didn't have any specific site injuries. And so I took the exosomes via IV bag. And it was just like 40 minutes. I was hooked up to an IV. Are you interested in coming on the Digital Social Hour podcast as a guest? We'll click the application link below in the description of this video.

We are always looking for cool stories, cool entrepreneurs to talk to about business and life. Click the application link below, and here's the episode, guys. And that was it. It was totally like almost like a non, it was like a non-event. And I feel great. I might have to try that out. Go see him, Dr. Gross, for sure. Yeah, that's right in my neighborhood. Yeah, I love that. He's right there in Henderson. Yeah. I've been diving into stem cells. I feel like, I don't know if I need them yet, but it's good to kind of be aware of their potential. I like it just almost as a preventative, right? Because like I said, I don't have any specific site injuries. There's nothing that, you know, I need to like regrow cartilage for or something

like that. And I look at it as a kind of preventative overall. With the exosomes, they're anti-inflammatory. So one of the side effects that Dr. Gross told me may happen, he said, obviously I'll follow up with you the next day. He said, but I just want you to be aware the next day you may feel a little achy and almost perhaps like you're coming down with a cold. He said, if that's happening, that's because you have a lot of inflammation within your body and it's getting attacked. Oh, wow. And I felt great the next day. So I was like, oh,

I'm not even inflamed, you know. But I have had friends and colleagues who I personally know that went to him after my experience. And some of them did have that kind of achy feel for a couple of days, like muscle soreness, achy feel. And it was apparently because they had a lot of inflammation in their body and that was getting reduced. Interesting. Now I know you grew up, your mother was Miss Korea, right? Did you grow up in Vegas? No, I moved here after law school back in 2010. I was born in South Korea, but then we moved to Arizona when I was just a toddler. Oh, wow. So I grew up in rural Arizona, the town of like 35,000 people called Sierra Vista. Never heard of it. It's 70 miles southeast of Tucson, 40 miles north of the Mexican

border. And there's an army intelligence base there called Fort Huachuca. And my dad worked for the Department of Defense there. Have you ever heard of the movie Tombstone? Do you remember the movie? I might have heard of it, but I didn't see it. Okay, it's an old one. I think it's from like the early 90s. It's based in Tombstone, Arizona,

and like the OK Corral and that fight and stuff. So Tombstone is 20 minutes away from where I grew up. Got it. Interesting. So I'm trying to understand this. So your dad was working for the government. Your mom was Miss Korea. What was that like growing up?

So my mom, I mean, obviously my friends that know her, my mom is extra. My mom is extra, but in the best way. She has such a big heart and just truly wants to see everyone succeed and do well. She was a stay-at-home mom with me until I was in the sixth grade. And then she decided to go to cosmetology school and went to cosmetology school, started working, doing hair. And to this day, she actually still owns a hair salon in Sierra Vista.

Good for her, man. So you were home alone from sixth grade to high school? So I was basically, I was part of like every extracurricular activity under the sun. So like piano, flute, tap dance. Like I was in everything. And so by the time I was in middle school, my time after school was so blocked up. And so it just, it made sense that my mom was like, I'm going to do something else. Wow. That is cool.

So did you go to college from there? Yes. Went to Tucson, went to the University of Arizona, and then I moved out to Miami for grad school. Got it. And you got a law degree, right? That is impressive. Props to you for making it through that. That's hard. I think, you know, I tell a lot of young people this too. I think law school is the best bang for your buck. If you know that you're going to go to grad school and that's an ambition that you have, I think law school is the best bang for your buck. If you know that you're going to go to grad school and that's an ambition that you have, I think law school is the best bang for your buck. It's three years to finish your traditional JD program after your bachelor's degree.

You could finish it earlier if you wanted, take summer school and whatever. And then after that, you get out and you can either go take the bar exam and be a working attorney or you don't have to take the bar and you can still get, I believe, a great job with a JD and go into real estate, go into, name your field, you can go

in anywhere. Whereas, you know, just looking at medical school, for example, right, it's four years for your MD after your bachelor's degree, and then you've got residency and your fellowship, and it's just a long route that I've seen my friends do, you know, in going to medical school and, you know, they're able to get out after residency and fellowship and stuff. You get paid, but it's nominal. So they really don't start making good money. I say six figures plus until they're in their mid thirties almost. And I think that as we all know, you know, especially with business, it's a compounding interest time game. The longer you're in the game, the more opportunity you may have, the more chance you have to build on what you've already built.

And I just think, why not set yourself up for as much success as possible to have the longevity and have the compound? Yeah, I agree. I mean, I'm seeing friends go through the doctor right now and it's tough, the stress and the debt and good money isn't what it used to be to 300 K a year isn't what it used to be. Sure. And I mean, I think also just in general with like maybe just the healthcare system here, but also, you know, you get out and now you're a doctor, right? Um, I have a, a cousin, Tiffany, very proud of her. She's just finishing up her residency now, and she's doing it in psychiatry. So she got her MD in St. Louis, and she's studying psychiatry. And part of why she chose that was because it's one of those professions where she's like,

you know what, I can be done at like maybe five, six, seven o'clock done seeing patients. Whereas if she were to go to, you know, trauma ER or pediatrics or whatever it is, some other industry, there was a chance that she was like, I'm going to have to be on call all the time, you know, with just a totally different lifestyle available to her. And that was part of her decision in realizing, okay, there's a whole other industry that I'm going to have to flip over to if I want to have a different lifestyle. That makes sense. Yeah. Law makes a lot of sense. You're probably even using some of the stuff you learned to this day. Absolutely. I think, like I said, I always tell young people, I think law school is the best bang for your buck for not only what you can do after in relation to opportunities with your

degree, but also the folks that you go to school with. If they say your network is your net worth, everyone that I went to school with now, we've been out of school, what, 11 years? No, 13 years. You know what I mean? We've been out of school for over 10 years plus. And now everyone that I went to school with, they're either partners at their law firm or they own their own firm, or they're not in law and they turned entrepreneur like myself,

or they're in real estate, or name your industry. And I literally can just pick up the phone and call one of my old classmates and they're a resource. That's incredible. Yeah, that's something people don't even focus on when they're in college, the networking aspect, but it can be really good. So after college, you ran for Miss Las Vegas, right? Yeah. So fall of 2013, my mom called me and she said, are you competing for Miss Las Vegas? And I was like, I don't know, I'm kind of busy. We just started a company. And she was like, you're getting ready to age out. And I was like, so I woke up one day, right? I'm aging out of pageantry and modeling. And so I buckled down.

So at that time in the Miss United States organization, 29 was the age cutoff. Wow. So you had to be 29 before you crossed the national stage. And that year, my birthday was in March. The state pageant, Miss Nevada, was in May of that year. And then the national pageant was July. So I was truly going into my last year of eligibility.

So I had to buckle down, right? I hired a pageant coach. There's a coach for that? Oh, yes. Wow. I'm definitely a big believer in hiring folks who know more than you, especially if you have kind of a goal that has an end game on it. Um, so I, I did, I hired a pageant coach. His name was Bill Alverson. And did he win in the past?

Oh yes. So this guy, um, back to back Miss Americas, I mean, his, he's a communications coach and, um, I sought him out and initially he rejected me. Damn, he rejected you? He rejected me. Even when you came with money? Initially, he rejected me because he is focused on winning, which I totally respect. So he didn't want to take on a candidate that he didn't think could win. Got it. Fair enough, right?

But I was like, hear me out. Like, well, what are the objections here? Because I'm also not used to getting rejected. So I was like, hear me out. What are the objections here? Because I'm also not used to getting rejected. So I was like, please explain. And he was just like, you're smart. He was like, but you're too small. He was like, I don't know. He was like, you're small.

And he was like, I'm not seeing it here. And I was like, please just work with me on communication then. If you think that I can stand out from the competition in relation to the fact that I already have a law degree, I'm a working professional, and at that time I was a business owner as well. And so I was like, I have these other intangibles perhaps that maybe other candidates don't have. And because I'm on the older end of the spectrum, I definitely have a different life experience than let let's say, a contestant who's 20 or 21 and she is a student at UNLV. Totally different perspective. And so that's what we did. We drilled for interview. Interview is the first time that the judges meet you during the competition. And we broke it down mathematically. Interview, swimsuit,

evening gown, and onstage question are the four areas of competition. And I appreciate that Bill was very strategic. He was like, the first time that the judges meet you will be in the private interview. So that's where we need to wow them. We need them to fall in love with you so that when they see you that night later on the stage, even if you're next to the 5'10 blonde girl, he was like, you are going to stand out in their minds as someone that is a hustler. She's going to be a great person because she's going to work. She's going to be great for the organization because she's going to work and be out there. And he said, in going into it, you need to be already working the hell out of your local title as Miss Las Vegas.

So by the time I went into the state pageant at Miss Nevada, I'd already done over 60 community appearances as Miss Las Vegas so that I could share with the judges, not just like my vision of if I win, I could share what I was going to continue to do because I was already out there doing it. Yeah, that is cool. And how does the scoring work with the judges? So it's a rubric that they're given and you get like a box for one to five on various components within each category. So with an interview, maybe they're looking for appearance, they're looking for articulation, They're looking for communication style. With swimwear or lifestyle, they're looking for overall physical fitness. They're looking for the overall presentation. Is she coming out with confidence? Is she wearing something that suits her, that's flattering to her? Same thing with evening gown. And then with onstage question, not everyone makes it there.

The only finalists make it to Onstage Question. Yeah. And with Onstage Question, again, those grading rubrics where they're looking at the quality of the answer. Does she get tripped up? Did she stumble over something that could be political or controversial? And then they tally all that up at the end. Did you get your final score ever

or they just told you you won? I did not receive the final score, but I did have a sit down with my executive director after the pageant was over so that she could go over any critiques that I have to help prepare me for nationals. Got it. Wow. And what was nationals like? Was it a lot different than state? Yes. Nationals is an incredible experience. This is the national stage. So you are there. They keep you alphabetical. It's just too many girls' names to remember, I guess. So they keep you alphabetical. By first name or last? By state.

Oh, by state. They keep you alphabetical by state. Yes. So I got to know New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, like all the N states. I got to know all of them really well. Okay, yeah, I got to know them all really well because that's how you were organized, basically. That's how you lined up for rehearsals, for appearances. There were a bunch of media appearances during the week.

There was some community stuff as well. And then you had rehearsals going into the week. And then you also had the preliminary competitions before finals night. And all of that, you were kind of organized and grouped by your state. Wow. Yeah. You had no name. It was Nevada.

That is crazy. You just yell and you had to run into the lineup. Yeah. Which state ended up winning when you were there? North Carolina won the year that I was Nevada. That is crazy. You just yell and you want to run into the lineup. Which state ended up winning when you were there? North Carolina won the year that I was there. So a blonde girl probably? She was actually brunette. Brunette, blue eyes, beautiful.

But I will say the Carolinas, they come correct. They do? Yeah. I remember, I believe it was North Carolina and South Carolina had the same executive director for the pageant so they oversaw like the carolinas and they showed up at rehearsal with um their suitcases these hard case suitcases that had their face like printed on them wow yeah and it was like you know i had i had my you know i had my used like to me bag. That is nuts. Were you the only Asian girl? I was the first Miss Nevada of Asian descent.

So that was really exciting. I didn't know that going into the pageant, and I didn't run on that in any way. But it was really cool to discover that after winning. At the state level, or excuse me, at the national level, I was not the only Asian contestant, but there were just a handful of us. Nice.

And after nationals, there's worlds, right? Yes, exactly. So you have international components. And I just, I can't even imagine. I have some great friends who have competed over the years. And it's truly, you know, you meet some of the most incredible people, especially because you're put together in a confined space for several weeks, right? So you're either going to make friends or not make friends.

Yeah. And I am so grateful that some of my best friends have come from pageantry and modeling, even though I think on its surface some people consider it, you know, very competitive, very cutthroat, zero sum. And like I said, with my best girlfriends that have come from that, it's cool because especially with pageantry, you actually meet a lot of like-minded young women. In general, most of us are very ambitious. We're educated. We care about our community. And we have enough energy and enthusiasm to be like competing in a pageant, right? That's its own animal itself. And so when you get everyone together, it's really, it creates a very dynamic

energy. And of course you end up meeting people who are like-minded. That's cool. It's cool to see you put your ego to the side because you are competing and then come out on the other side with friendships. And I think that that's the part of it too, is that like, I kind of appreciate that it's zero sum in the sense that there is going to be one winner realistically, right? There's going to be one winner that's crowned at the end of finals night. And if it's not you, what's your attitude? Yeah. Right?

Are you going to look at it as time wasted or lost or are you going to be like bitter and think it's rigged? Or are you going to take some grace, right? And eat a piece of humble pie because you weren't chosen as the winner and look at what else have you gained from this? What have you learned from this? What personal development growth have you done? Are you better on the other side coming out of it? And for me, every time, the answer was always yes. Nice. When you first lost, did it hit you hard at first? I think maybe less in pageantry, but more in politics. So I ran for Congress during the 2020 cycle. And it was not, politics is not in the plan. It's still not in

the plan. But I think like most first time candidates, I had this very altruistic view that I was like, I can do a better job than the current person. And that loss in particular was harder on me just because in general, I'm used to being rewarded for hard work. It's happened to me many times throughout my life from a young age. And it was something my parents preached, right? They said, as long as you work hard,

you're going to reap rewards. And that's a mantra that's always stuck with me. And I do believe it is true. But I think politics is a whole other game. It's a whole other animal. And it really is, it was one of those things where after that experience, I had to take a look and say, what have I gained from this? Who have I met from this? How has my life been bettered? What personal development have I grown and learned from this experience? And it took me some time to sit down and write all that out because at first I was like, how did this happen? I worked so hard and our team worked so hard, yet we didn't get the result, the one result that we're aiming for. But that also was an incredible experience.

And I met incredible people who to this day are in my life because of that. Nice. Yeah, I feel like with politics, you just need crazy money to even compete. Not only is it a money game, which I mean, I was setting fundraising records in my first quarters in. So what that is, it shows a couple different things.

One is it shows support, especially like I had a lot of small dollar donations. You're talking under $50 per donor. And what that shows is actual support. And the next thing you want to look at is where the donation is actually coming from. I was running for Congress in District 4 in Nevada. This is northern Clark County and then six other rural counties that kind of make up the midsection of the state plus Nye County, Pahrump.

And my donations were coming from within my district. If you looked at my opponent, his donation, the big donations, were coming from out of state. Interesting. Yeah, so it's like, you know, there's so many different layers that it shows, but hands down, dollars in campaigns, at least in my experience, allows you to do what's called voter

outreach. So the more money you have means it's more TV ads, more mail flyers, more literature jobs, more events. And really it's like a, almost like, how much can you blanket? It's a blanket game of how many times can you get a touch on a voter? Right. Yeah, that makes sense. So was it a close race or was it kind of? So I finished third out of eight primary candidates. I lost in the primary election. And it was crazy because the polling had me up. So it's like the polling also messes with you. Ah, because you thought you had it in the bag. And you're paying attention to the polling, right?

And you've got a team. You have a whole team that's dedicated just to the polling. Because the polling, theoretically, should be telling you where else to spend your voter outreach dollars. So if you're polling strong in Sun City, Summerlin, you're going to spend your voter outreach dollars. So if you're polling strong in Sun City Summerlin, you're going to theoretically put resources to maybe another place where you're not as known there because you're like, I got Sun City Summerlin on lock. So the polling is also very important, but just like anything, you have to look at where the data is coming from. And I

think polling, at least in my experience, sometimes it's coming from a very small sample size, right? It's a very small pool. And so that's why you have to really just be paying attention to like, what's the overall blanket picture looking like? And it's hard, I think, with congressional districts as well, because you're talking about a lot of area. You're talking about reaching 600,000 people across, in my case, seven different counties. I literally don't trust any polls I see. It's like the past two elections have been off, way off. Exactly. Like by far off. Exactly. And that's the question, right? It's like, who are they actually asking? Right. What are they asking them? When are they asking them? Yeah. So, you know, polling is its own beast, its own animal. And there are folks who are

just experts only in that. I am not one of them. But it's, you know, a bottom line, regardless, 100 percent, I do believe there are more private sector candidates that have to come off the sidelines and get involved because our government was meant to be a citizen legislature. Right. It was meant for everyday folks who have other things outside of government, outside of politics, who have other things going on. They go in, you serve your community for a set amount of time,

hopefully make it better, and then you go back to your real life. Being in government, being in politics for your entire adult career isn't real life. No. Yeah, I think that's why RFK is doing so well right now. I appreciate, like I said, any time that you can see private sector

coming off the sidelines, it's one of those things where if we don't, if folks don't, then who does? Yeah, absolutely. Is Vegas your favorite city in America? I love Vegas. I'm super very partial to Vegas, of course. Not only do I credit it for just having been good to me from a business standpoint,

but definitely the community. My time with Miss Las Vegas and Miss Nevada, the hundreds of community appearances that I did, volunteering in schools, reading in hospitals, working with nonprofits. To this day, I'm still very much involved. And whether it's great nonprofits out there, like Monday's Dark, I was just at their 10th year anniversary in December, which is amazing. Nice. I have a corgi named Cupcake, and she's certified as a hospital pet therapy dog. That's cool. Yeah. And so we go volunteer at a local hospital at Summerlin Hospital.

And she goes on Friday mornings. And she just goes and visits kids. And sixth floor is kids oncology. These are kids with cancer. Fifth floor is just pediatrics care in the hospital. And then the first floor is a pediatrics er and i just i it's so it's it feels really special and it's just awesome to um be part of a volunteer project like that where you can just bring your pet therapy dog in and um she of course she loves it she just gets petted on she's like what's this magical place everyone just wants to pet me yeah sounds like a win-win

it's a totally a win-win it It's such a huge boost, not only for the kids and their parents as well. And then the nurses, the doctors, like the whole staff, like they get a three, five minute reprieve from whatever chaos craziness is going on. And it's, it's awesome to be part of that. Yeah. Dogs are so pure. That's on my bucket list. I didn't know that was the thing, but I'm going to look into that for my dogs. Yeah. So there's, I did it through, there's a local nonprofit here called Michael's Angel Paws. And, um, they have a lot of different trainings for various things that dogs may need. Um, but one of them is pet therapy. And, um, so it's a 10 week course that we did. Um, five weeks is the AKC good Canine Citizen course. And then the final five weeks is geared towards kind of hospital settings or pet therapy settings.

They had like some guy come out with like a walker. He was like really aggressive about it. I was like, sir. But, you know, they want to prepare the dog and just make sure that they're not reactive. It's okay for them to be startled or to just kind of be like, what is going on? But what they don't want, of course, is for your dog to react. Right, and bite someone.

Exactly. And so that's what they're looking for. And with Cupcake, yeah, that guy came out slamming that walker around and I was like, what is going on? Because it was at their training facility. And yeah, she was just like, she was looking at him

and she just like got closer to me. That's funny. Yeah, it's probably easier with the smaller ones actually, because they're not as like aggressive. Yeah, exactly. I mean, with Corey, you know, she's 30, 36 pounds, kind of a heftier Courtney. Bigger than I thought. Yeah. But the pet therapy is animals.

I mean, they're all in all shapes and sizes. I'm sure you've heard of like Bark, Andre, Furry and Deke. Jack Russell Terrier. It's pretty small. And then in the hospital, I've definitely seen Golden Retrievers, Big Dogs too. Nice. Lisa, it's been fun.

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