Digital Social Hour - Betting Genius: 25-0 Record EXPOSED! I ZACH HIRSCH DSH #775

Episode Date: October 2, 2024

🎙️ Welcome to the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly! In this explosive episode, Betting Genius: 25-0 Record EXPOSED!, we're diving deep into the world of sports betting with the undefeated Zach, whose 25-0 record has everyone talking! 🏈🏆 Join the conversation as Zach unveils his secrets to becoming the most accurate sports handicapper ever. From his insights on the NBA, NFL, and college football to his thoughts on legends like Steph Curry and Michael Jordan, this episode is packed with valuable insights you won't want to miss! 🏀 Don't miss out on this thrilling discussion about the future of boxing, the rise of DraftKings, and the controversies surrounding the WNBA and PowerSlap. 💥 Watch now and subscribe for more insider secrets. 📺 Hit that subscribe button and stay tuned for more eye-opening stories on the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly! 🚀 Tune in now, and let's unravel the mysteries behind Zach's legendary record! 🙌 #boxingknockouts #anthonyjoshua #boxingfight #boxing #boxingpodcast CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Teaser 00:46 - Intro 01:33 - Steph Curry Highlights 02:29 - Kevin Durant Career Overview 04:18 - College Football Insights 05:22 - Ad 06:27 - Ryan Garcia vs Devin Haney Fight Analysis 09:50 - Boxing GOAT Discussion 10:55 - Jake Paul vs Mike Tyson Matchup 11:59 - Conor McGregor vs Michael Chandler Breakdown 14:57 - UFC GOAT Comparisons 16:21 - WNBA Drama Highlights 18:08 - Keeping Up With Sports Updates 22:42 - What Else Is Zennie Working On 27:24 - Greatest Sports Accomplishment 27:44 - Hardest Sport to Go Pro In 29:53 - Measuring a Player's Skill 31:12 - Michael Jordan vs LeBron James Debate 32:46 - Greatest Team of All Time Analysis 33:55 - Is Klay Thompson Done? 34:50 - What's Next for Adam APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail] GUEST: Mystic Zach Hirsch https://www.instagram.com/ipickwins/ SPONSORS: DRAFTKINGS: Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using https://dkng.co/dsh or through my promo code DSH Deposyt Payment Processing: https://www.deposyt.com/seankelly LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER, [phone] or visit gamblinghelplinema.org (MA). Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Please Gamble Responsibly. 888-789-7777/visit ccpg.org (CT) or visit www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD). [1.5%] 21+ and present in most states. (18+ DC/KY/NH/WY). Void in ONT/OR/NH. Eligibility restrictions apply. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). 1 per new customer. Min. $5 deposit. Min. $5 bet. Max. $200 issued as non-withdrawable Bonus Bets that expire in 7 days (168 hours). Stake removed from payout. Terms: sportsbook.draftkings.com/promos. Ends 10/31/24 at 11:59 PM ET. Sponsored by DK. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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PowerSlap? No. No? No. I go to the events. It's fun. Have you been? Okay, I have not been. A lot of respect for Dana's business acumen and all his ideas and stuff. You just kind of sit there and get slapped so it doesn't seem like a sport of skill or anything like that.

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We got Mystic Zach here. Thanks for coming on, man. No problem. How are you? We've been talking for like five years on IG. Yeah, since I was a junior in high school. Yeah, it's been cool to see your evolution, dude. I mean, you've been nailing these sports picks.

You're super tapped in with the celebrities. Congrats on all you've done. Thank you. Thank you. Just starting. Hell yeah. I love that attitude. Yeah, I would say that's accurate.

I'm the most accurate sports handicapper ever recorded by any metric that I've seen. Right, because you're undefeated in Super Bowls and you've got great records in other sports. Yeah. Undefeated college football, 25-0, national championships, Super Bowl undefeated as well. Wow. That's unheard of, man. Yeah, absolutely. And NBA, you do well too right uh yeah

i do well nba um i would say nfl college boxing are the absolute strongest yeah speaking of nba i know you're you're a warriors fan right you like some of those guys i like some of those guys uh when they were going against the cavaliers i was definitely supporting them okay what do you think of steph curry steph curry is the greatest offensive player of all time. Wow. His gravity that it provides on the court, unmatched. He helps his teammates more than anyone. He's the best off-ball player of all time, the greatest shooter of all time, the most underrated finisher at the basket ever, the best free-throw shooter of all time.

Steph Curry's impact on the offensive end is greater than any basketball player in NBA history. So you got him over Jordan offensively? Yes. Because Jordan averaged, what, 35 some seasons? Yeah, better scorer, not as impactful offensively to me. Because if you're factoring assists and steals. I'm factoring in the gravity that he creates, the fact that he can stand 30 feet away from the basket

and command two or three people to come at him, the fact that he's the greatest off-ball player ever, the way he screens his teammates, he's more impactful on the offensive end than anyone ever. Wow. What do you think of Kevin Durant? Kevin Durant is the second greatest scorer of all time. Holy crap. Yeah.

That's quite a statement. What are you basing that off of? Points per game, efficiency, the fact that he's 6'11 and plays like a point guard. He can shoot it over anyone. I think he would survive in any era he's the the secondary score behind michael jordan okay who do you have as third oh man third kobe okay kobe respect yeah i think uh kobe deserves respect for sure um that's a great question third i always think about one and two but i like seldom do i think about third yeah and obviously lebron when it comes to any basketball skill is like top five he is number one in the points right

yeah like there's a kareem but probably three maybe kobe four but uh yeah lebron is so good all around there's like not a single skill in basketball that he's not one of the best ever at and i don't think you can say that about any athlete in any other sport. I love it. You betting on the NBA Finals? I'm at Celtics. I got Celtics. I'm thinking Celtics and six.

Wow. What made you think the Celtics over the Mavs? All the idiots picking the Mavs? No. I think they match up well. There were two matchups earlier. The Celtics won. It seems like the Celtics are best suited to guard Kyrie.

Porzingis coming back. But the Mavericks i mean to get there you know great have you been betting the whole playoffs um making picks the whole playoffs you know i mean this was like especially out of the east the easiest to ever predict i mean a monkey could have picked the celtics right um but i think the the timberwolves beating the nuggets was was really surprising that was shocking yeah the mavericks beat them in five it should have been four yeah if lively didn't get But I think the Timberwolves beating the Nuggets was really surprising. That was shocking. Yeah. The Mavericks beat them in five. It should have been four.

Yeah. If Lively didn't get injured. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Mavericks, Luka, Kyrie, Lively, PJ Washington at the deadline. They've been making great moves all year, and they have the best player in the NBA. Oh, yeah. What's your best sport?

I would say best sport for predicting would be college football. I'm 25-0 all the time. Holy crap. Yeah. 25-0? Yeah time. Holy crap. Yeah. 25-0? Yeah. And is that the title game you bet on? That's been every title game since I started picking, college football playoff, SEC championship, a lot of ranked matchups.

Damn, 25-0. That's the best record I've ever heard. I mean, you haven't lost. No, I still haven't lost, yeah. I had Michigan all the way from week three, and I had them in the natty and over Alabama as well. What do you think makes you so good? Because most sports better lose money, right? Yeah, I think it's a combination of things.

I think a lot of it can be attributed to my eidetic memory. And the fact that I love sports, it's all I've been doing since I was four or five years old. I have a lot of analytics that I follow, even some that I think I'm going to work on coming out with. I was able to go to the MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference when I was 17. I learned a little bit more. But I think the combination of memory, really knowing the sport. I was the youngest Division I coaching intern in the country with FAU when I was 16. So I know football real well.

And I grew up in boxing as well in the gym and everything like that. That's impressive. What do you think of the boxing scene right now? A chill in the air leaves falling to the ground and football every weekend. That's what fall is about. You can make each weekend even more exciting by getting into the action with my partners at DraftKings, the number one place to bet on touchdowns. And right now, all new customers who bet $5 will instantly get $200 in bonus bets.

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But now that we've got Saudi Arabia and Your Excellency Turkey Al-Sheikh putting on these great fights, I think boxing is going to be in its best place it's been since the 90s. Did you bet on the Haney-Garcia fight? Oh yeah, I had Ryan. Oh, you had Ryan? I had Ryan, plus 550. He was a heavy underdog. Yeah, 5.5 to 1 underdog. Ryan's a cool guy

but they split into amateurs 3-3 and the pros having the power advantage is a big difference. You know, smaller gloves, everything like that. So I thought it was like a 60-40 fight for Ryan, and he was a huge underdog. Wow. I mean, now with the steroid stuff, though, it's looking interesting. I don't know if that's real or whatever.

Yeah, I would strongly believe that it's not. Really? Yeah. Because they did two tests, and it came back positive, right? Yeah, but look who's doing the tests. Who did it? VADA, who's a privately owned organization, not government owned. They are very close with Victor Conte, who's Devin Haney's strength and conditioning coach,

and who's also heavily involved in BALCO, which was the Barry Bonds steroid scandal. Wow. So when I look at Victor Conte and I see him providing boxers strength and conditioning advice for upwards of $100,000, I get a little bit suspicious. And also with the fact that he's so close with Vada and all this stuff, but Ryan comes out,

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with iGaming Ontario. We have a supplement for testing and they both came back that they did have Austrin in it. And, you know, cross-contamination happens. The factories make it all in the same labs and stuff so factory so i don't know i'm very very skeptical about that and the fact that devin haney had a sports center interview lined up the day after that came out even more weird yeah that is interesting i doubt

ryan would do that i mean his whole life he't. Why would he feel the need to do it now? Two days before the fight? That doesn't, even for a SARM, that's not even, that wouldn't be the best use case for it at all. I mean, you would have cycled it, you know, months before that. I know Derek more plates, more rates. I think you had him on the show. He did a really good breakdown on it as well as the chem, you know, the chemistry side of it and things like that.

But from a boxing point of view, there's a lot of shady stuff going on. And if I was a boxer, I wouldn't enroll in VADA testing. I would outright refuse, which I think Tank is now doing. And the only way I would work with VADA as a boxer, I know Tank came out and said that he's no longer going to work with them, would be if the government stepped in and oversaw it, or if a commission governing bodies, something like that, stepped in to absolutely clear them of

any collusion or corruption or anything like that looked into victor conte and his relationship with them and really cleared it all up because it seems like as of now they're not being put any under any they're not being put under any public pressure and a lot of people are coming at ryan garcia instead of defending him and aren't analyzing the relationship that Victor has with Devin and the relationship Victor has with Vada. And also they're denying the fact that the supplements came back contaminated. So it's all very suspicious. I would want to see an entire full-length investigation done

on Victor and Vada for sure if I was a boxer and thinking about enrolling in their testing. Yeah, they're making Ryan do a hair test now too yeah well and he's i i'm confident he'll come out um vindicated yeah let's see what happens who do you have as uh the goat for boxing the boxing goat the greatest of all time is muhammad ali wow yeah absolutely um floyd's the best okay ali's the greatest uh but actually um the best boxer i've ever seen was Roy Jones Jr. Wow. Yeah.

That's a hot take. Yeah. Prime for prime, he's the best I've ever watched. Damn. So just purely eye test, no statistics. Yeah, eye test-wise. I mean, the fact that he went to heavy, I mean, he was undefeated and went all the way from, I believe, junior middleweight or middleweight all the way up to heavyweight and won the heavyweight title. I mean, I just know that Roy Jones Jr. in his prime at middleweight,

super middleweight, light heavyweight, that there's no man that ever could have come close. And I don't think I can say that about any other boxer. Maybe Tyson in his prime? No. No? I would have taken a couple guys over him. Wow.

Lennox Lewis. Tyson? George Foreman. Yeah. Okay. Evander Holyfield beat him twice would have been tougher um i guess pre-buster douglas but uh yeah there's some bad matchups i feel like tyson but but i think mike would beat pretty much any of the current heavy weights for sure in his prime yeah i was upset he dropped out recently yeah um i think it's delayed oh it's delayed it's delayed which is almost feels like a dropout right because i think it's delayed. Oh, it's delayed? It's delayed, which almost feels like a dropout, right?

Because I think it's going to be like, I think they're planning to November for the fight. So it's a long delay. Who you got on that one? I've got Jake by knockout. Whoa. You think he's going to knock out Tyson? I think Tyson, obviously, is such a legendary champion. But, I mean, that was 30 years ago.

So I think Jake is going to catch him with a big right hand and knock him out. Damn, yeah, he's almost 60 now, right? He's getting up there. So I believe a fight time would be 58 years old. Holy crap. Yeah, that's old for boxing. Yeah, it's old for any sport, but especially boxing. And Tyson, I mean, one of the most ferocious, ruthless punchers in the history of the sport.

What he did to Michael Spinks and so many other guys. He looked great in the Roy Jones Jr. fight not that long ago. So, I mean, he could come out and shock the world. I just don't see him having the punch resistance to take a prime 27-year-old Jake, who it's really hard. I've seen it in sparring the last five years. Yeah, we'll see what happens. You bet on UFC also?

Yeah, yeah, I do a lot of UFC picks. Who you got, McGregor and Chandler? Probably McGregor would beat him 10 out of 10 times. Yeah. You know, it's such a hard fight to handicap. I would go Chandler. Okay. Just based on, you know, the partying and the leg break and everything like that. But it's hard to envision, you know, Conor losing to a guy that much lower.

It would be sad. Yeah. It would be. I mean, he hasn't won in what, seven years? The Cowboys-Saroni fight was his last win in 2020, right before the pandemic. So four years, yeah. But it's one win the last seven years. But that's not even like a prime cowboy.

No, it was like a nothing fight, yeah. I mean, he looked good, but yeah, I agree. Damn, yeah. He's falling hard, man. I miss him in his prime yeah maybe he'll come back and prove everyone wrong i hope so i hope so too like that'd be awesome yeah because ufc needs someone like that yeah absolutely i think um the sports need someone's like that and i know he wants to do boxing 100 i know he's watching these saudi fights the Jake and the Tyson and the Ryan Garcia I know I think

I wouldn't be surprised if eventually they did him versus Ryan Garcia in Saudi Arabia boxing well the bag in boxing's higher and then you take less damage yeah UFC you're breaking bones yeah it seems like there's bigger name I mean of course besides McGregor it seems like the bigger names are now in boxing yeah even UFC guys are switching over, right? Yeah. As UFC, I feel like they've lost a lot of their stars. Yeah, Usman switched over. Yeah, Usman's not quite the same level. And even then, he's never sold that many besides when Masvidal was on with him.

Nate Diaz is boxing now, Masvidal. Yep. And Israel Adesanya lost. I feel like the Ryan Garcias, Jake Pauls, KSI's, Usyk's Furies are becoming bigger stars. They're making more. They're definitely making a lot more too. That Fury, I think, just made $100 million.

What? Tyson or the son? Tyson Fury. Oh, off that last fight he lost? Yeah, against Alexander Usyk in Saudi Arabia. Holy crap. They paid him $100 million for that? They're saying Fury made $100 million, Usyk made $50 million. Oh, he made him 100 mil for that? They're saying Fury made 100 mil and Usyk made 50 mil. Oh, he made more even though he lost? Yeah, and they're saying it sold like 1.5 million pay-per-views. At what price? I don't know.

A lot of it was in England, so I think it's cheaper over there. But I know they also got like 40 million in advertising. Damn. I had a guess. They took a bath, but I think it makes perfect sense for them to advertise all their tourism destinations and the fact that it's a great place. I went to Saudi. I had a great time.

I've never been out there. You like it, though? Yeah, I had a great time. I went to Abu Dhabi as well, Dubai, and Saudi. Best food I've ever had at the Four Seasons there. Seriously? In Saudi? I mean, Ronaldo lives there, so you know the food's pretty good.

He got offered a bag, too, to live there. He got a bag. I was in the lobby and I was with Jake and the team. Kevin Hart was there doing a comedy show. Ronaldo was on the top floor. It was crazy. That's crazy. Who do you have as your goat for the UFC? I would say John Jones.

Same. John Jones is the goat. Same. John Jones is the GOAT. Yeah yeah yeah John Jones is um if you're going off of the most unstoppable it's John Jones you know at his peak um against Shogun and Glover and the second you know DC fight I mean he's just I don't know how anyone could come close to him at his peak. Especially that weight class where one punch you could get knocked out, and he's been able to just evade all of that. Yeah. Well, I mean, the way he uses reach and optimizes length, his kicks, his elbows,

he's so creative. He had great inside fighting, terrific grappling, just great eyes. Everything you could want in a mixed martial arts fighter. But is his legacy somewhat diminished because of the steroids? It is, yeah. Can't deny that. Right? So, you know, do you take him off the GOAT list and put someone like George St. Pierre at the top because of that?

You know, that would be the discussion. If it wasn't for that, it would be unanimous, I think. Oh, yeah, 100%. No doubt. And if John, I mean, if he goes out and defends his heavyweight belt a couple of times, it's like, you know, harder than I am GO goat status in combat sports because of his dominance in a sport that's evolved so much. In my opinion, if you put every man in the history of the world in a room,

I think Jon Jones would come out last. That's wild. He's the baddest man to ever live. I love that. You've been following this WNBA drama? Yeah, I've been following the WNBA drama. What do you think about it? I don't like it for the sport.

And I actually went to a fever game, you know, Caitlin Clark against LA. And I don't like it for the sport. I think a lot of it's getting politicized. And I don't think that's the route to go. I would like to see it be about the sport, right? Like Asia Wilson here in Vegas, she's the best player in the league by a mile. She's averaging like 29 a game in short quarters as well.

And no one really talks about it because everyone's talking about all this. And it seems like the girls are, I don't know, like getting real personal and dragging each other to the floor. And if you're going to do that, I think the teammates have to stick up for one another. It needs to be an enforcer, like Draymond said. You know, the girl that dragged Kaitlyn down should have gotten hit for sure by one of Kaitlyn's teammates. So I didn't like how no one came to her defense.

No one. That's your prize star. Like, you should be defending it, right? Yeah, especially, you know, I'm sure she's a nice girl. I didn't like that. So I think if you're going to do the hard fouls, I don't have a problem with it. The teammates have to step in and make sure that they

think twice. Absolutely. It was interesting to see LeBron talk about it because he said that happened to him too when he came in the league. Yeah, absolutely. You're always going to have a target on your back. At the end of the day, Kaitlin Clark's the reason they're on charter flights, right? I mean, they went from spirit to charter flights. That's the truth

of the matter. She kind of bossed up all their lives, so I think they should really be appreciative instead of so jealous. charter flights that's just the that's the truth of the matter you know um she's i mean she kind of bossed up all their lives so i think they should really be appreciative instead of so jealous but i think they should be because the wnba hasn't had a single profitable year no and definitely now they're on track to like do that in a few yeah and you know the other rookies as well um angel reese you know she's got celebrities coming out to the games and stuff and cameron brink um but yeah i mean caitlin's the she's the one who who made that change happen absolutely you got a pod with lamar odom yeah

and caitlin jenner oh yeah that's cool how'd that start um a pretty uh off the wall guy i know uh steve marcano who's a mutual friend with lamar had this idea and they call it keeping up with sports and obviously when you hear me caitlin Jenner, Lamar Odom on a podcast, you're like, I wonder if that would work, right? You're trying to picture the chemistry or whatever. But it's an honor to be working with two legends of the sport. And Lamar, an Olympian, six-man of the year, two-time NBA champion, alongside Kobe Bryant, Caitlyn, formerly Bruce,

the Cath lead, world record holder, drafted the NBA. I don't know if you knew that. Bruce Jenner drafted the NBA. That's crazy. Yeah. College football player. So, you know,

sharing knowledge with two athletes like that who have lived such crazy lives. Lamar obviously had the traumatic brain injury and 12 strokes, six heart attacks. I saw that in the news. I saw the bed. It's in the Haunted Museum here in Vegas. It's in the Haunted Museum heart attacks. I saw that in the news. I saw the bed. It's in the Haunted Museum here in Vegas. It's in the Haunted Museum in Vegas.

Yeah, Zach Bagans Museum. Wow. I hope Lamar gets paid off that. Yeah, they have it, and they leverage Lamar's story when you do a tour. Well, at least I hope Lamar gets a little bag. And Caitlyn, obviously, being, you know, the Kath lead record holder, Wheaties box star, Kardashian, Jenner's. I mean, you know, the Kath lead, record holder, Wheaties box star, Kardashian, Jenners. I mean, you know, her daughters and woman of the year.

Like what kind of a, you know, who has a crazier resume than that? So we had Sugar Ray Leonard on the first episode and he went really deep and even opened up about like his childhood abuse. Wow. Yeah. So I think it's really become like a really safe space for our guests. And it has a therapeutic fuel and one where people feel comfortable opening up with everything that's been going on in their careers

and childhoods and things. We had Steve-O on, Bryce Hall. So I'm really excited for that to come out for sure. That's a fun show, dude. Yeah, these fighters, man, they have a lot of trauma. I saw Sean Strickland on Theo Vaughn. He was crying on there. And it's good to have a platform they could speak about yeah absolutely um a lot of these shows are you know go for gotcha moments or you know really try to make you feel comfortable to to get a clip and uh but there's

not a lot of uplifting or you know really true journalism. The integrity is getting lost. It's gone. It's been gone. Mainstream is just about clips and what can I get that guy to say. Yeah, and you'll get the clips from people opening up. And TMZ leaked the show's announcement, and they grabbed that clip. And obviously it was a time where he was vulnerable, but I think he appreciated that he had the platform to speak on that and be comfortable and not have people make jokes.

And then 50 Cent comes out and said it was Diddy that day. But what are you going to do? That's the internet, right? Oh, man. That Diddy stuff is crazy. Yeah. Holy crap. We can't even talk on that.

We'll get canceled. But, oh, do you bet on Power Slap? Power Slap? No. No? No. Do you work with Power Slap? I go to the events it's fun have you okay i have not been you gotta come there's one this month after ufc 304 i think um i have a uh a lot of respect for dana's business acumen and all his ideas and stuff i i've never seen it with power slap i don't quite understand it still really

there's no defense you just kind of sit there and get slapped so it doesn't seem like a sport of skill or anything like that um i hate that women are doing it and getting knocked out the fat guys are pretty funny though yeah i like seeing the fat guys get knocked out but uh i guess i understand the the virality i know it does really well on rumble i believe And I know they're doing an event in Saudi. So from that perspective, I get it. If you got offered a million dollars to do it, would you do it? Hell yeah.

Well, who am I going against? Jake Paul. Oh, well, get knocked out for a million dollars. I get knocked out for a million dollars. Okay. So you're rational about it? Yeah. You know, probably get a few viral clips viral clips you know get a lot of clout

um yeah yeah that would break the internet i mean who was that guy that got didn't bryce hall get knocked out i i know logan knocked someone out logan knocked someone out yeah did you see that when logan lined the guy up with the slap oh the cash guy yeah yeah yeah yeah he got wiped yeah logan yeah definitely was he said it was fake. Yeah, definitely was not fake. I'll tell you that. I've talked to Logan about that. That was real. Damn. Yeah.

Yeah, he came out later saying it was faked, staged. I might say that, too, if I got knocked out like that. Yeah, I wouldn't want to admit that ever. Yeah. So I think he did a good job. Cap, I know Slap for Cash is like, you know, he's doing good on Instagram and stuff like that. So I guess it worked. What else are you working on?

My show with Pac-Man Jones, Pac and Zach. We covered football every single week, and we've continued with it, covering sports and culture and going out to fights. He's someone that I consider a really good friend off camera and a true partner. He's someone that gets very misrepresented in the media and vilified. Earlier this year was arrested on September 11th on an airplane. Really? I didn't know that. So he obviously, people say a lot of bad things about him.

And I'm sure he's made mistakes in his past. But he's a great mentor. He's adopted his late teammate's son. And he was on a flight. He had bought two two flights he was getting ready to do monday night football and uh his charger didn't work charge his tablet he had to study for monday football so he said the fight didn't miss can i change seats so no sorry it wasn't a miss it was it was a man and uh he kind of ignored it whatever and he comes back around he's's like, I'm going to have to switch seats. You know, I got to charge my tablet.

They go, well, if you switch seats, we're going to have to turn the plane around. He goes, what? I just want to change seats. They go, no, we're going to turn the plane around. He goes, all right, turn the plane around. So they turn the plane around. He walks off the tarmac. Police tackle him.

What? They charge him with terrorism. No. They said he was intoxicated when he wasn't drinking that he kept asking to do breathalyzer they wouldn't give him a breathalyzer he said the bar was closed even if i wanted to drink holy crap what airline was this i i don't know i uh that's a good question we i think it was united it was united damn that's a shame and uh and i know all the charges got expunged and uh i don't know if like so he missed that day oh yeah and and yeah uh definitely you know and it's just like

another case of someone he's also constantly getting like go at it in public and people trying to get a reaction out of him this is someone who's you know like i said adopted his late teammates um children as a mentor in his community, has brought me to places that I never would have been to and just an all-around great guy. I played in Floyd's celebrity basketball game with him. Yeah. How was he? He was sticking up for me, dude, to be honest.

He was a good dude. Yeah. He was nice at ball, too. Yeah. Oh, yeah, he was McDonald's All-American. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, he was dunking at 14. Damn. He's only 5'9 now, so I don't know how tall he was mcdonald's all-american oh i didn't know that yeah he was uh dunking at 14 damn he's only 5'9 now so i don't know how tall he was then but uh he was dunking in game and stuff and i know his team um was georgia state champion they went undefeated his freshman year

yeah so i think he's one of the part of the best teams ever i mean pac-man is such a good athlete he could have obviously he was a great professional football player all pro pro ball number five pick but he could have been an NBA player. He's now really good at golf. I know he doesn't want to talk about that, but he is. I got to get into golf. I'm sure he could have been an MLB player. I'm sure he could have been a professional soccer player.

He's just that type of guy. One of those times. He ran a 4-2-5. Holy ****. He's just such a ridiculous athlete that no matter what, he could have been pro in anything. Were you an athlete growing up? Probably pretty similar to Pac-Man. Yeah? You were nice?

No. You didn't play anything? No, I played sports growing up, but, you know, not at a – listen, I played at a college professional level. I already did it. Yeah. No, I didn't have your height. Comes in handy. I didn't have Pac's speed. And,'t have pack speed and uh no i i played

football basketball growing up well you know whatever was around i was always keeping busy playing sports um one of these days yeah we'll have to hoop i uh you know but i at least want pack on my team we'll get pack all right we'll get back we'll run we'll find two others and make a solid run on it all right all right all right are you a power forward or what yeah power forward yeah i play in the lifetime leagues out here okay oh so you're like serious wreck we just won the chip bro yeah now all right i'm not bad are you like inside getting rebounds fast break layups i get two steals a game i get 10 rebounds all right yeah i'm decent, pretty decent. Did you play college? No, I did track in high school.

I could have did track in college. I ran a 440 mile. Wow. Yeah, I was really fast. 440 mile? Yeah. Holy shit. Which is decent.

Sounds pretty fast. It's not D1 level, though. No, but I mean. D1, you need a 420. Wow. Yeah. That's crazy. Now there's people running sub four it's like yeah that i know

yeah it's people are so athletic these days how fast is the kenyan guy the marathon time oh my god he's running a mile 26 times under four minutes every time imagine i mean that's like the like no one talks about it's like one of the craziest sports accomplishments ever no to do that it's insane like imagine running a four-minute mile 26 times straight. No, I can't imagine it. I can't imagine it. And the athletes that aren't in football and basketball

don't get looked at as much. I mean, Usain Bolt never lost a race in the Olympics. Yep. Literally won gold every single time. I just had Justin Gatlin on. Yeah, Michael Phelps had four times as many gold medals as anyone else ever.

Yeah, 26. These guys are ridiculous. Yeah, 26. Nuts. What do you think the hardest sport to go pro in is? Hardest sport to go pro in is? males as anyone else ever. 26, right? These guys are ridiculous. Yeah, 26. Nuts. What do you think the hardest sport to go pro in is? Hardest sport to go pro in is maybe, ooh, I'm probably, well, like major sport is probably baseball. Major, yeah.

Yeah. I would say baseball would require the most skill. Okay. But it's probably something that you have to pick up when you're a young person because football, I mean, if you're a good enough athlete, you can pick it up real late. You know, like Ziggy Ansah picked it up, I think, 19. And basketball requires a little bit more skill, too. Football, you obviously need the toughness for.

But I would say baseball requires the most skill. I would say basketball for me. Really? Just because you look at how long these guys last in the league on average. Yeah. It's like two years max. Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely.

But, you know, like Hakeem Olajuwon was a soccer player, last in the league on average yeah it's like two years max yeah yeah it's definitely um but you know like hakeem elijah was a soccer player converts to basketball i think back then it was easier to get in the nba now it's like you have to be you have to shoot now even if you're a big yeah that's true um i think hakeem would be the league's best player right now yeah wow yeah um best defender of all time, incredible postgame. Carried his team to two finals runs post-Jordan. He was playing baseball. I think he had games where, like, 30-plus points, seven blocks, four steals.

Jeez. Yeah, Hakeem, probably the most underrated superstar of all time. You got Hakeem over Shaq? Right together, the two of them, you know, probably, and Kareem. Yeah. You know, all three of them are the three the three best bigs ever okay but uh yeah i mean hakeem just like unbelievable and though i i would say the only person nba history to truly carry his team to a finals victory hakeem hakeem is and everyone says dirk and if like if you look at the roster you would

think that but those guys were shooting lights out in the finals. And he was great. He had help. Like, Jason Terry was going off. Sean Marion, Jason Kidd. But Hakeem didn't have anyone. It was like Otis Thorpe. Yeah.

I don't even know if Kenny Smith did play in that first finals. I think 95, 96, around there. He didn't play well. I've looked at the stats. I think Otis Thorpe was the second best player. 12 points a game, like 40% from the field. Carried his team against Ewing. Damn, that's interesting.

So you study a lot of the stats? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I'm kind of nerdy. I like seeing the points after every game. Yeah. I go full analytics. I don't go Raptor and Vorp and all that. I don't even points after every game. Yeah. I go like full analytics and like, I mean, I don't go like Raptor and Vorp and all that, but.

I don't even know what that is. Oh yeah. That's like, if you really want to get geeky, you talk about Raptor and Vorp, but player efficiency rating and, you know, true shooting percentage, EFG, stuff like that. How does true shooting percentage work? They calculate things like the, like assigned value for the shot and also

your free throw percentage and it's like a factors in every single shot yeah it's like a it especially free throws like so shack obviously wouldn't be a good true shooting and like steph curry's true shooting percentage like out of this world yeah like consistently i don't think he's ever been below 56 on a finals run. Something absolutely ridiculous. What's the best metric to measure how skilled a player is in basketball? I would say PER. Player efficiency rating. If you look at

the all-time highest PER seasons, it's like a lot of Michael Jordans, Will Chamberlain, LeBron sneaks in there. I think Steph's 2016 season. I think that's a pretty good indicator. That's not the only reason why Michael Jordan's better than LeBron sneaks in there. I think Steph's 2016 season. So I think that's a pretty good indicator. And that's not the only reason why Michael Jordan's better than LeBron, but it's part of it.

You got Jordan or LeBron as the GOAT? Jordan's the GOAT. Okay. You were confident with that? Michael Jordan's the greatest player to ever touch a basketball. What if LeBron wins one or two more? Then we might have to, you know, rediscuss this. Okay.

Jordan's six is just, and if he didn't retire, he would have had 7 or 8. Yeah, I mean, I look at the fact that he's never come close to being outplayed in a final series. I mean, happened maybe in a playoff series once. So 6-0, 6, like stellar performances. And people talk about how he never won before Pippen. Nobody would have won with those teams he had before Pippen. I mean, he was scoring 63 against the Larry Bird Celtics as a kid

my age and losing. I don't know where people come up with that. I mean, the guy is the greatest scorer of all time, no doubt. And then, oh, Kevin Durant's second. No, second. Damn. Scores, yeah. MJ1, KD2. And then Michael Jordan has the most all-defensive

first-team selections ever as well. And you look at all his final stats and his efficiency. And then the argument a lot of people have is zone defense. For a while it was illegal. You couldn't guard players the same way. You couldn't double them, stuff like that. Michael Jordan didn't have the same spacing. Everyone can shoot the three now. You have way more spacing. Imagine Michael Jordan with that spacing. I don know if mj would score as many points

now but i think you'd have a lot more assists and he would be the least best player right now no doubt the fouls back then were nasty dude yeah i see videos of absolutely um yeah bad boy pistons bill lambeer dennis rodman um hakeem the greatest defender of all time matumbo what's the best team of all time draymond green says it's his warriors in 16 he's right 17 or 17 yeah yeah the 2017 warriors you got more than 96 bulls yeah for sure wow and the 2000 lakers yeah because him and shock were debating like who would win that um The Warriors would win. Really? Yeah. Wow. I mean, you had a 73-win team, and you added Kevin Durant.

Yeah, when you put it like that. I mean, that Cavs team was great, and they wiped them out. I mean, KD averaged 35 a game in that finals, and 45% from three. I mean, he was out of this world. I think the first one was five games. Second one was a sweep. But I think they swept him after Kyrie left. But, I mean, you're going against LeBron, Kyrie, Kevin Love. Like, that's like a great historic team.

Like, that would have won the chip this year. Yeah, prime Kyrie, prime Kevin Love, yeah. LeBron, back in, I mean, this is eight years ago. I mean, the league's best player. So, yeah, that Warriors team is the greatest team of all time. Clay in his prime, too. Yeah. Before the ACL tear.

Yeah, when he was a great defender. Obviously, probably second greatest shooter ever, maybe third. Yeah. You think he's done, though? Clay? Yeah, he's done. Yeah, I think so, too. It seems like he has a mental block.

It seems that, plus he's not the same physically. It's just... I think Klay would really benefit from Marcel hypnotizing him. I was just going to say that. Yeah, and I'm serious. You should line that up for Marcel. Listen, if someone comes across Klay, I think it would really help. Yeah, I mean, he helped Jake Paul with his mental block.

Yeah. Yeah, but Klay in these big games recently, since the ACL seems to, I mean, his nickname used to be Game 6 Clay, and last year he goes like 1 for 12 from 3 Game 6 against the Lakers. And this year he had zero points in the, what was that, the play-in game or whatever? Yeah, I mean, yeah. So he's got a, it seems like to me, a mental block in big games right now,

which he never had before. So I'm sure it has to do with the injuries. And he's come back from a lot. And, you know, he's done more than enough yeah he's a hall of four rings is more yeah yeah dude it's been fun any uh anything you want to promote or close off with um no i keep uh keep an eye out for keeping up with sports um with me caitlin jenner lamar odom uh pack and zach coming at you every single week um my partner Jadakiss, you know, we had Kiss in the Mist for Worldstar Hip Hop. We might be looking at a reboot potentially. So

I got a lot coming up for sure. Cool. We'll link it all below. Thanks for coming on, man. Thank you. Thanks for watching, guys. As always, see you tomorrow.