Digital Social Hour - Climbing the Vegas Sphere Going on Tucker Carlson & Climbing Skyscrapers I Maison DesChamps DSH #360

Episode Date: March 19, 2024

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When you're climbing, you try not to think of falling. The goal really is to shut your brain off, perceive danger, and there's actual danger. You're absolutely terrified even though you're not in any danger. Fear is the same either way. It feels exactly the same, and it has the same effect where it doesn't help you. Wherever you guys are watching this show, I would truly appreciate it if you follow or subscribe it helps a lot with the algorithm it helps us get bigger and better guests and it helps us grow the team truly means a lot thank you guys for supporting and here's the episode all right

guys mason to shaw here coming fresh off the spear just came out of jail right yeah i was in jail for i don't know like a day and a half, two days. Damn. Yeah, it's pretty rough in there, but I'm happy to be out. And my friends just got released 10 minutes ago. Oh, he was in there too? We had four of us in jail. Oh, I thought only you climbed it.

Exactly. I'm the only one that climbed it. They arrested a fifth for handing out pamphlets. What? Yeah, yeah. What's the charge on that though? Conspiracy to destroy property and felony destruction of property is what they charged all of us with. Felony. So you're facing some jail time potentially. Yeah, you know, none of the charges

that they have on me are actually going to stick because they're claiming that I damaged over $100,000 of property, but I didn't break a single thing. Right. And you got it all on video too. All on video. GoPro. And I started climbing and the plan was to climb down, right?

Because I knew there wasn't a hatch and I knew there wasn't like any kind of roof access. And I got to the top and they had two workers there a police officer and a representative from the building Oh, they were at the top. Yeah, they're always waiting for me. It's always funny How'd they get up there though? On the inside. So it's actually really cool on the inside. There's Like a sub dome. So the the inside dome is actually smaller than the outside There's like an exoskeleton and you can see all the framework of all their steel work that they did on the inside and yeah Really neat, but there's a set of stairs that that takes you And you can see all the framework of all their steel work that they did on the inside. And really neat. But there's a set of stairs that takes you, you know, you're maybe like five feet from the lights that are on the top, from the very top.

And so you can take off a couple bolts on the rails and pull one of those off. Oh, got it. And so they invited me inside. They said, come inside. And I said, I don't want to come inside. So if I do it, it's because you're inviting me. And they said, yep. So they let me inside. They said come inside and I said I don't want to come inside So if I do it, it's because you're inviting me and they said yep So they let me in and they bolted it back up and they said that taking those two bolts off cost a hundred thousand dollars Damn, oh, so if they didn't invite you would have been trespassing right?

No, no, so that's the funny thing with what I do is that climbing skyscrapers believe it or not Don't do it by the way, but climbing skyscrapers believe it or not don't do it by the way But climbing skyscrapers is not actually illegal Really, it's not trespassing. I should say in most states. Okay. No because the way trespassing works is They have to trespass you in which case you get 15 minutes to leave or you can leave at your own safety So if you're 500 feet up a building and they tell you to leave, unless they have a sign that says no climbing our skyscraper or... That's a random sign to have.

Yeah. Then you're kind of good to go. Not many people like you willing to climb a skyscraper. Yeah, they just kind of never thought to make the law. So what's the highest building you've climbed? Oh, man, the highest one I've done so far is the Salesforce tower in San Francisco. And, you know, height, it kind of plays a factor into the hardness, but not entirely. Like obviously if the building's taller, there is more climbing

that needs to be done. You got to have more strength, but what really makes the biggest difference is are there rests? So like the Salesforce, yeah, it was 1,070 feet. But every 10 feet or so, every 15 feet, there was a big fat rest that I could sit and get my muscle back. Yeah. Whereas buildings like the Accenture Tower in Chicago, there was a 500-foot section of like no rest at all. Damn. Yeah. So you got to be locked in.

Yeah. And actually, two weeks before I climbed that, I ended up snapping a tendon in my hand. Jeez. And I did it because the charity I raised money for, obviously we raise money for pregnant women. We pay their rent and everything, let them live.

They need money really badly. So I just said, you know what? I got to do it. And I started climbing and the building was so sharp. My hands just started gushing blood. Right. And luckily it was so sharp that it made my hands go numb. So I couldn't feel them. Oh my God. Why was it so sharp? What was the material on it? It's all metal. And, uh, that's the thing with climbing the buildings. Like a lot of people

think I do it for fun. I actually hate it. it really Oh, it's horrible. You don't wear gloves No, you tape it up, but the tape kind of falls off and it only does so much But you just do it for awareness for the awareness the pro-life movement and then raising the money to help the women and Like are you looking to start a new website? Look no further than Hostinger Hostinger is a top global web hosting and website creation brand

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and climb on the rocks here in Las Vegas. And when you're done doing that, you get to go home, you get to go to the bar, have a beer and then sleep in your own bed. But when you're done doing that, you get to go home, you get to go to the bar, have a beer, and then sleep in your own bed. But when you're done climbing a building, you're all cut up, you go sit in jail. And then when you get out of jail, you got to go on podcasts and TV shows and worry about saying something dumb because you've been up for two days straight. Yeah, you've been up for two days. You went on Tucker Carlson too, I saw. That was nuts. Yeah, that was super cool, so the charity again like these charities they just have no money because it's it's so hard to to raise it in this movement and my boss called me and he's like dude anything he's trying to get me to climb a building yeah

but without saying that he's like dude anything that you can do to raise money do it he doesn't want to get arrested for well no they they cannot pay me to climb buildings, and they don't, really. But he's like, anything you can do to raise money, do it. And I had no ideas. I was injured and couldn't climb, and so I just prayed about it. And I came up with this, like, bootleg marketing strategy, and I realized that whoever these large accounts are following on Instagram, that's like their Rolodex.

So I just started going through all these conservative accounts and following whoever they were following, and they started following me back, and one of them happened to be Tucker's producer. Yeah, on Instagram? Yeah, that next Monday I was on Tucker, and we raised a lot of money. How much did you raise? Oh, gosh, I don't remember, but, I mean, like thousands of dollars.

It was pretty cool. It was awesome, man. Super cool. Um, now when you get arrested, I saw you were dealing with a case in Phoenix that you said is not going so well. Yeah. So I don't know if I can talk about that. I can, I can try to do my best. Uh, basically Phoenix is a little different because, um, when I climbed that building, there was a fence around it. And I was unaware that when you hop a fence, it can bump it up to second-degree trespassing. Okay. And had I known that, like, I'm not trying to break the law, if I'm being honest. I probably wouldn't have done it because it's kind of like James O'Keefe.

He's a buddy of mine. He told me that we don't have to break the law. There's no reason to. I could have climbed any other building and accomplished the same thing, but I was unaware of the law, and so we're working on that. Monday we're going to know what's going on with that. I didn't know that. That's good to know.

I actually got arrested for trespassing when I was in high school. Really? Yeah. What were you doing? So in Jersey where I grew up, it's called prom weekend. So after prom, we all go to the beach and get drunk for two days. And I guess I wasn't supposed to be at the house without a wristband. Really?

So yeah, they arrested me. Did they give you your 15 minutes to leave or? He said, get out. And then I came back, I guess. Oh, okay. Yeah. They got you good. They got me.

How long did you sit in jail for? It was only a few hours, but it felt like forever, honestly. Yeah. It was terrible. I was the only one there, okay. Yeah, they got you good. They got me. How long did you sit in jail for? It was only a few hours, but it felt like **** forever, honestly. It was terrible. I was the only one there, luckily. I read the book of Acts, and it's about the Apostle Paul. Everywhere he goes, he's mocked, he's beaten and thrown in jail, and he uses the jail to preach the gospel. And so when I go to jail, when they throw me in the big rooms, for normal people, if you look like me, you could maybe get beat up. You're a target, yeah. But with what I do, they all just want to hear stories.

People respect it, right? Yeah, yeah. They think it's awesome. The guys in there probably even saw you on the news in the jail. Yeah, yeah. And guards are coming up.

They want autographs. No way. Yeah, it's hilarious. Oh, that's hilarious. I mean, no one's ever going to do it again, so that's definitely an iconic thing.

Yeah, but we're able to share the gospel in jail, which is really neat. Yeah, so that's the story behind the hat. Yeah, the story behind the hat. And this guy, he's a big supporter of the guy that makes the hat.

So I told him I'd wear it around for him. Nice. It starts a lot of conversations. Absolutely. How'd you get close with James O'Keefe? Okay, so James is a hero of mine. I say that, like, soldiers recognize other soldiers. In politics, there's so many people who are just good at talking yeah and they don't

have they don't have any actions to go with their words facts and here's james he's not only putting in the work but he's also really good at giving speeches he talks about fear yeah he talks about death he said you're gonna have to kill me if you want to stop me. And that's the same way I feel. And so I had the opportunity in Arizona a couple days before he was on your show to meet him. I went to one of his classes that he teaches how to do the undercover journalism. I just said, hey, dude, if you want to go rock climbing, hit me up. I live in Vegas. He took you up on rock climbing?

Yeah, I took him out. That's dope. That was funny. I don't think he cares if i tell this but james has zero fears right except for heights i think i'm the first person to ever inflict fear into james o'keefe like he told me like dude i'm scared of heights i want beat my fear. And a lot of people say that. But it's one of those things that the more you do it, you get over it. If I go to the top of a building and I look down, I'll get vertigo. I'll start shaking, you know. But climbing is a little different because you ease into it.

You start on the ground, and it just progressively you go up, and you're not scared of it. But James is the only person I've ever seen who is physically scared of heights. Wow. So he was like shaking a little bit. Oh, yeah. But I ended up, he was teaching me his, what did he call it? His ethics of deceit, right?

He said, we do not tell lies. So he asked me, Mason, if I climb halfway up this, can I go down it? And I said, yes, you could. And he gets halfway up and he says, can I go down now? I said, well, you could, but I don't know if I want to let you down. And he, to his credit, he ended up beating his fears and getting to the top. And yeah, I think he could beat it. Were you free climbing or were you? Well, yeah. So free climbing just means that you are climbing with your hands and feet. Yeah. But that can also mean with a rope, right? And so we're all roped in.

I free solo sparsely. Too risky, right? Yeah. I say like in climbing, there's only two reasons why people do dangerous things. I call them the two isms. Yeah. It's narcissism and autism. And if you're too far on either side of the spectrum, you die.

So that Alex Honnold documentary that blew up and was really cool, honestly, do you rank him on those isms? Dude, he's got performance-enhancing autism. Autism? Yeah, dude. Yeah, because I was going to say, he didn't give me narcissism vibes. No. Alex is actually a great guy

I've had the pleasure of meeting him my my climbing mentor Brad go bright Was his climbing partner for a lot of years? Oh nice Brad died? 2019 damn he uh climbing yeah, yeah, he was repelling Yeah, so they were repelling down the mountain down in Mexico they climbed climbed, I think it's, I'm going to butcher this name, it's El Cinderoso Luminoso, I think is the route, very famous route. Get to the top, everything's good. They start coming down, and if you don't tie knots in the end of your rope, you just rappel right off your rope.

And so Brad fell 200 feet, hit the ledge, bounced off. Damn. His partner, get this, fell 200 feet, hit the ledge, bounced off. Damn. His partner, get this, fell 200 feet, hit the ledge, stuck the ledge. I think he broke a rib or an ankle, but like an angel must have pinned him down on the ledge because he lived a 200 foot fall. 200 foot drop? Yeah.

How do you survive that? That's like how many stories is that? Oh man, I don't know. That's like 20 stories, right? 20 stories, yeah. Oh my gosh. There's all these weird cases of guys falling just an extreme amount of distance. There was a pilot in World War II, I think, fell out of his plane, jumped out, no parachute, and he rolled an ankle. What?

Yeah, yeah. Hit a bunch of trees on the way down, just landed perfect. That's insane. And survived. I've always thought about, like, this is such a random thought, but if my plane was about to crash, what I would try to land on. You know what I mean? Hopefully, like, a pillow factory or something.

I don't know. Like, water. They say trees. Like, what area would you aim for if you had to choose? Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? I'm going to aim for the empty bouncy house. Yeah.

They say trees, actually. I think that's what I looked up. But I don't know. I think either way, you're f***ed. Yeah. Yeah, when you're climbing, you try not to think of falling. Like, the goal really is to shut your brain off. I tell people there's perceived danger and there's actual danger, right?

There's these times where you're absolutely terrified even though you're not in any danger. And there's times where you're in actual danger. But the thing about it is that the fear is the same either way. It feels exactly the same. And it has the same effect where it doesn't help you. It just hurts. So when you're climbing, your goal is to shut your brain off as much as possible and just focus on what you're doing right then and there.

Right. What got you started in this? Oh, man. So, I mean, I was a climber. I grew up hunting and fishing. And then in high school, we moved from Michigan to L.A. Oh, that's a big change. Yeah.

So I didn't fit in. You do not strike me as an L.A. kid. Yeah. So the last day of school, I threw everything in my car and I moved to Yosemite and was living in the boulders up there. Nice. Are you interested in coming on the Digital Social Hour podcast as a guest? Well, click the application link below in the description of this video.

We are always looking for cool stories, cool entrepreneurs to talk to about business and life. Click the application link below and here's the episode, guys. But as far as the pro-life stuff, man, like my buddy, he just got out of jail, actually. They found this box outside of an abortion clinic in D.C. And they brought it home and they opened it. And inside of the box were five full-term babies.

Oh, my gosh. That were just ripped to shreds. What? Yeah. It's called the Justice for the Five. And I saw this photo of this baby. She sat in a ziplock container She had a smashed skull and one eye left open and I just thought like if I don't do something about this like what kind of man am I right and

There was this guy Alon Robert as far as the building stuff goes he I stole the idea from him back in 2008 He climbed the New York Times building to protest climate change. And he's done stuff all over the world. I mean, he's 60 years old, and he's still climbing buildings. Wow. Before he was even climbing buildings, he was one of the greatest rock climbers of all time. I mean, on the topic of Alex Honnold, in 1991 or 1992, Elon came out to America, drove to Yosemite to try to free solo El Cap.

But the route that Alex had climbed didn't exist yet. No one had found it. So there was the nose and then the Salathe wall, and those were both too hard. He said he did the Great Roof, which is one of the hard pitches on the nose, and he got up to Changing Corners, which is the next hard pitch, and he said it was just too hard to solo. So how do you get down if you're stuck? You can

rappel. So there's all sorts of bolts, and like, the first time you climb El Cap, it feels like you're going off into space. You climbed it? Many times, yeah, with Brad, and that was the thing that made me good, because the first time, like I said, it's like you're going into space. You're living in a whole new world damn and the one now

it's called sea of dreams because it's literally just this sea of rock that you have to navigate yeah but when you really start climbing it and you learn that you can climb it in a day and you can navigate between routes uh it really dumbs it down and one time I was with Brad it was three in the morning and it started to rain so we had to bail yeah oh the rain makes it harder yeah and we would have got down in two hours but he got his rope stuck oh gosh and so there's this pitch it's called the monster off with and it's like 3 in the morning. He has to climb back up this really physical pitch. I'm at the belay. I'm like half belaying him.

I'm falling asleep. You know, I don't, I'm like snoring at the anchor just while he's heroing up to get the rope. But, yeah, we got down in a couple hours. Yeah. So these big ones take, it's like a full day, like, expedition pretty much. Well, so that route, the last people to do it, now, I mean, there might have been someone in between, but as far as I

know, the last people to do it took 12 days. 12 days? Yeah. Holy crap. This is all Brad's skill. This isn't any of my glory, but he did it in 16 and a half hours. What? Yeah, we got to the top, we got to, like, a couple pitches from the top, and we slept on this ledge for a couple hours. What? Yeah, we got to the top. We got to like a couple pitches from the top and we slept on this ledge for a couple hours

to wait for the photographer. He never showed up, so. The photographer never showed up. Yeah, we ended up just going. I think we would have had the speed record if we wouldn't have waited. Ah, so that would have been in the Guinness record book. Yeah, again, that was all him.

I was just his belay slave. You were just there. That's still nuts though, the fact that you witnessed that. Yeah, dude, that was just a 19-year-old kid. That's crazy. I didn't know how to say no. Looking back, some of the stuff we were doing, I'm like, okay.

Pretty risky. That was a little sketchy. Well, you were probably just such a fan at the time. You're like, yeah, I want to be there. Exactly, dude. If I messed up, I was always embarrassed. And I was just so scared of being embarrassed. I didn't want to say no.

I just was a yes man. Right. And that's good and bad, I'd say. I didn't want to say no. I just was a yes man. Right. And that's good and bad. I think it's important to try out new things. I lived. Yeah, you don't want to always be a yes man. It's character building.

No one wants five yes men around them. It's toxic. That's how all the pro athletes go broke because they have so many yes men around them. Yeah, I bet. Yeah, I'm lucky. I don't have any money, so I don't have to deal with that. That being said, what role does money play in your life? Is it something you think about a lot? Because you seem to be very mission-driven.

Mission-driven entirely, man. I mean, my money belongs to God. And everywhere I go, I just get provided for it. When I climbed in Chicago in October, I went to Chicago with $40, two jars of peanut butter, and a sleeping bag. Wow. And so climbers, we have this term we use, and it's hilarious because people who don't climb, they think it's a bad term, but for climbers, it's a

badge of honor. It's called a dirt bag. Dirt bag. Yeah, and so Brad was known as one of the kings of the dirt bags. That's who I learned from. I lived out of my car for two years just climbing every day. What does it mean, though, to be called that? So it just means that you live in poverty almost intentionally,

but mainly so that you can, instead of working, you can just rock climb. And that was never my intention to do that for my whole life. It was just something to do while I was in college. And it taught me a lot of skills that help me now as an activist where you don't make any money right and so when i went to chicago like i said i was planning as soon as my hotel ran out to take a train out of the city and sleep on the streets yeah i ended up going to this speaking event and i spoke and one of the parents who was there as a teen event they really liked my speech so they invited me to this guy's house.

And then we get there, and it's like an 18,000-square-foot mansion. Damn. And he's really into woodworking stuff and architecture, and I'm a finished carpenter by trade. And so we hit it off. And rather than sleeping on the sidewalk, I ended up sleeping in his house. And then he kind of taught me how to fundraise. And so I left with a bunch of money to make a documentary.

Wow. Yeah. That is fascinating, man. Yeah, guys like you and James O'Keefe who are just activists and don't really care about making money for yourselves always interest me. Dude, it's a God thing because everywhere I go he provides. I was in Michigan for Christmas and I'm on a run. I have $0 in the bank account, right? I run it down to the ground.

Yeah. Total mission driven. And I'm on this run, and someone recognizes me, and they give me $200. And they didn't know I needed that money, but I really did. Wow. And, yeah, dude, everywhere I go, God just takes care of me. And as long as that happens, I can keep going. And even if it doesn't, though, it's like, dude, with what's going on right now, I can starve.

I could care less. They're going to have to kill me if they want me to stop. Damn, man. That's deep. Not a lot of people these days you see that. And that's the whole point of what I do is like try to get people to believe the words they say. I tell people if they believe abortion is murder, which not everybody does, but if you believe that, you have to act like it.

If you're pro-life, it's for one reason. And so you're saying babies are being murdered. Go do something about it. And then not only that, but to be a Christian, that means that you have this eternal life. So what does all this other stuff matter on earth? If they want to jail me, oh well. We saved a life.

We saved a baby. If they want to take my money, that's fine. I don't need it. I'll live. I'll just go rock climb. That's insane. Someone like you can't be canceled unless, yeah, they kill you, honestly. Yeah, they can't really cancel me.

I'm already canceled, so it's like, eh. Yeah. The media always reports the articles so negatively too, I noticed't really cancel me. I'm already canceled, so it's like, eh. Yeah. The media always reports the articles so negatively, too, I noticed. Dude, yeah. And it's one of those things, like, in the Bible, there's a verse, and it says, what does it profit a man to gain the whole world but lose his own soul? And if I cared for a second what the media thought of me,

I wouldn't be doing this. But I don't really, it doesn't bother me. In fact, how we saved the most babies, there was this Reddit thread. And it was like the number one Reddit thread for like a week after I climbed the Chase Tower in Phoenix. Wow. Just trashing me, right? And we went on there and we were like, yeah, this pro-life Spider-Man guy, what an idiot. I hear he's raising money for pregnant women so they don't need to get abortions.

I think the charity's called LetThemLive.org. How dumb. And all these women started calling in to cancel their abortions. No way. We just fed the hate. Reverse psychology. Yeah. That's crazy.

So you've saved thousands of lives, man. That's awesome. I don't know about thousands, but... Hundreds. We're at probably somewhere over 20 right now, but... Well, that's just directly. Think about the kids that those people will have eventually. You know what I mean?

It's like a spider web. Well, there was one time that we probably could say we saved a lot. So Walgreens, they wanted to sell the abortion pill everywhere it was illegal. Wow. And they were going to just let the courts take care of it, let the lawyers take care of it, just get it out there. Yeah. So we found out about this shareholders meeting that they were having in Newport Beach.

It's this huge, fancy country club. It's called the Pelican Hill Resort. And it's like $1,500 a night. So we found someone to buy the hotel room for us, and I didn't even get to stay in it. That's expensive. I was really upset. $1,500 a night so we found someone to buy the hotel room for us, and I didn't even get to stay in expensive I was really upset tonight. I was so happy that must be giving you back massages, and I don't know I didn't get to stay we were at the bar the night before and we're drinking you got to be drunk No, we overheard the security they were talking about how they know there's pro lifers there And how they're gonna start the meeting early and shut the doors

So my buddy was like hey, what if you guys just went in tonight and just slept in there? So we ended up doing that. We went into the closet behind the stage, and we slept in there for like nine hours. That's hilarious. And we could see the stage right out of that little crack in the door, and we waited for them to run the show for like 20 minutes.

And we went out, and we padded the CEO on the back and I don't know, have you ever shot a deer? No, I haven't. Can't relate to that. So when you shoot a deer, they jump like 10 feet in the air. I think this guy thought I was going to kill him or something. Did he recognize you or something? No, but the fear of God

was inflicted in his eyes. He about fell off the stage when I patted him on the back. Oh, man. They tackled us. They tackled you? Yeah, the security tackled us. And when they, they had to get us out of there, right? Did you get to say anything first, at least?

Oh, yeah. But here's the thing is, they had to get us out. So when they got us out, they opened the unlocked doors. And we had a bunch of people waiting on the other side to storm in. So they stormed in. Yeah, we shut down the meeting and uh walgreens actually announced that they weren't going to sell the abortion pill in those red states because of the protest no way yeah so like i said you saved thousands if not tens of thousands yeah and what what keeps me going is meeting these babies i've

got to meet a few yeah and i can't help but think that when you die, you're going to get to heaven and you're going to sit at this table of saints and you're going to get to meet these babies one day and all of the work and all of the sacrifice, it'll be worth it. Yeah. I love that, dude. You're so purpose-driven. I'm at the stage of my life now where I'm diving into purpose stuff. I used to, I'm not going to lie, just care about money a lot. A lot of entrepreneurs are like that, but now I only do stuff with intention. That's awesome, man. Yeah. It's been a great shift. I feel, I wake up every morning so fulfilled now and I feel like with the podcast, I'm spreading just amazing messaging.

That's good. Are you a Christian? I'm not. I would say I'm spiritual. Oh, we've got to change that. I would say I do believe in God, even though maybe not the version you're thinking of, if that makes sense. Yeah, well, what I say, a lot of the American church, it's watered down. I don't blame people for being mad at Christians because I'm mad at them too. When you read the Bible too,

most atheist criticism of Christians you read the Bible too, like most atheist criticism of Christians are in the Bible, but they're worth criticizing ourselves. And it talks about like the weeds among the wheat, the wolves and sheep's clothing, all these TV preachers asking for your money and you want to get to heaven, send your money. Like the Bible warns of that. And yeah, so I don't blame a lot of people for being mad at it. It's tough to find a really good church that has all the incentives aligned. Because when there's money involved, I mean, there's going to be human nature involved. So my big thing I recommend to people is just find a church that reads the Bible. Because that's our direction.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's tough, though, when you see all these church owners or whatever just using money to buy their own houses and cars kenneth copeland you ever see that guy no he did that he bought private jets and all sorts of things crazy dude yeah i'm like if you're a preacher and you're flying in a private jet i don't think you're getting to heaven maybe you will i don't know i don't think so so you don't agree with the 10 thing where you got to donate donate? Oh, so the tithe. Yeah, I do. Oh, you do?

But it should be out of your own heart, right? It shouldn't be this guy saying that that's what you have to do to get to heaven. Right. I don't believe that we're saved by any of our works. We're saved by our faith alone. So if you have no money and you can't give anything, that's fine by me. And if you want to give, that's fine. You're not going to be rewarded here on earth like these guys like to say.

Most of the time, which is funny because the more I've sacrificed, I've seemed to be rewarded. But the Bible actually says the opposite. It says when you sign up for this, your life's going to be a lot harder. Interesting. You're going to be persecuted. People are going to hate you because they hate what you stand for. And so that's what I signed up for. I just been, I guess, blessed. Wow. I do believe in karma. I do believe in energy like that. I don't. You don't? No. How come? Let's

dive into this. Yeah. So, I mean, like the book of Job, it kind of goes over that, right? Like, I'm going to butcher this. I'm not, I'm an evangelist more than I am like a yeah a theologian but the book of Job like basically Satan makes this deal with God and it's like hey this guy he's not really gonna pray he only praises you because you bless him okay what if you took his blessings away right then will he still praise you in God agrees to do it knowing that Job would still praise him. And he took all of Job's family away. He struck him, I think, with leprosy and punished him for nothing. But one of the themes of it was have praise even in your suffering. And then also, just because we're good people, just because we

do good works does not mean that we're going to have good things happen to us. And I think the key thing is expecting good things when you do good things. I think that's the wrong mindset. Yeah. I think you should just do good things and maybe good things will happen, but it's also what you choose to focus on. right? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, like, I really like the book of James. It talks about, like, faith, having faith and doing works with it. And it says, a man who has faith and doesn't do any works, is it like a man who looks at himself in the mirror and then immediately forgets who he was when he walks away? I'm paraphrasing that.

No, I get it. That makes sense. I don't know. I just look at my friends who give a lot. They just seem to receive a lot back. I think part of that might be human nature too because conviction, it is contagious. Yeah.

Like James, for instance. Yeah, look at James. You see what he does and you can't help, but like have that energy around you. And I'm really thankful for all my friends like James. And then my buddy, AJ Hurley just got out of jail. Nice. Yeah. Shout out to AJ Hurley. He didn't snitch on you. Snitches get stitches. But, uh, yeah. Uh, having good people around you it's just it's such a blessing

and it's contagious you see what AJ does and finding those babies and I mean he's facing a lot of jail time for other charges damn and he keeps going

and he's fearless with it and being around that it rubs off on you absolutely Mason it's been fun, man. Anything you want to promote or close off with? Yeah. If you guys would like to donate and help pregnant women, go to letthemlive.org.

If you want to follow me on Instagram, prolife.spiderman. Perfect. You heard it here, guys. Thanks for coming on, brother. Thank you so much, man. Yeah. Thanks for watching, guys, as always. See you next time.