Digital Social Hour - Damage of Sugar, Americans Having Pre Diabetes & Rich Lives Longer Than Poor I Calley Means DSH #404

Episode Date: April 10, 2024

Calley Means comes to the show to talk about the damage of sugar, why 50% of Americans having pre Diabetes, and why rich lives longer than poor APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://forms.gle/D2cLkWfJx46pDK1MA BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail] SPONSORS: Deposyt Payment Processing: https://www.deposyt.com/seankelly LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

and we have a dirty tank. We're not going to drug our way out of this problem where today 30% of teens have prediabetes. Jeez. 25% of teens have fatty liver disease. 40% of high school seniors qualify as having a mental health disorder. There's something happening. Everything is going up all at once. Every chronic condition, autism, autoimmune conditions, everything. Wherever you guys are watching this show, I would truly appreciate it if you follow or subscribe. It helps a lot with the algorithm. It helps us get bigger and better guests, and it helps us grow the team. Truly means a lot.

Thank you guys for supporting, and here's the episode. Ladies and gentlemen, we are going to expose big pharma and big food today, aren't we? We got Cali Means here today. How's it going, man? Oh, so good. So bummed to be here. Yeah. So this latest stuff with Ozempic, man, is getting crazy.

How do you feel about it? You know, a lot of our friends are taking Ozempic, a lot of people in LA and Vegas. I'm not really concerned whether somebody wants to pay out of pocket, you know, and test this drug. What I'm most concerned about is they are trying to push this on kids. The stock right now, the company Nova Nordics, is the most valuable company in Europe.

It passed Louis Vuitton, LVMH, as the most valuable company in Europe. Now, it's not being prescribed for obesity in Europe. The entire profit projections, 90% is expected profit coming from the United States. And that's because they've hired an army of lobbyists. I used to be a lobbyist for the pharma's because they've hired an army of lobbyists. I used to be a lobbyist for the pharma industry.

They've hired an army of lobbyists to make this the preferred and urgent and first-line medication for any American that is obese or overweight. That is 50% of teens and 80% of adults. The moment that's approved, the moment that law being successful and obesity is classified, which they're trying to do as not something we can control by eating or exercise as something that's just genetic. And that sounds ridiculous, but they are paying doctors at Harvard. And this is on 60 Minutes. This is in medical reports. They are saying obesity is not controlled by what we eat. You can't even make this up. They're saying that it is controlled by genetic factors

and it is a, quote, brain disease. They are arguing and lobbying aggressively in Congress to make this a disease, and then it's open season to prescribe this thing to 50% of teens and 80% of Americans. And the problem with that, it's a couple, but the big problem and the real war I'm on is that why are people getting obese? Why are that many people obese? It's not an ozemic deficiency. We've got away like candy now in schools. Antidepressants, right? And not even saying whether that's good or bad,

25% of women in the United States being on an SSRI, that's a big societal dynamic. Oh, birth control? No, SSRI antidepressants. So SSRIs are the top, the most prescribed drug in the country. Wow, 25%. It's 20% of high school senior girls, 25%. These are omnipresent. When you talk to any parent in high school, girls, 25% of, these are omnipresent.

We talk to any parent in high school, they're giving these things away. 20% of high school seniors are on Adderall, methamphetamine, one molecule away from crystal meth, a drug that's basically was invented by literally the Nazis to make German soldiers more efficient, now given to kids, literally methamphetamines. You've got statins, you've got metformin. You have these drugs for heart disease, for diabetes, for high blood pressure being given away like crazy to kids. It's not making anything better. So adding on Ozempic, adding on this as the standard care, injecting a lifetime drug, this is a lifetime drug, putting that in the arms of 50% of US teens, 80% of US adults, which is what the

effort is and why the company is so valuable based on those expectations, that gets us further away from realizing we have a dirty tank. We're not going to drug our way out of this problem where today 30% of teens have prediabetes. 25% of teens have fatty liver disease. 40% of high school seniors qualify as having a mental health disorder. There's something happening. Everything is going up all at once. Every chronic condition, autism, autoimmune conditions, everything. And until we understand what is happening, and I believe the answers are very simple, until we stop launching for drugs, just siloing diseases one by one

we're going to be in a big problem I believe Sean it's the most important issue we face in America seeing behind the curtain at these

companies because we have a problem where the largest industry in the country the healthcare industry which is the largest highest employed

industry in the country and the fastest growing industry in the country it grows while people it grows by people getting sick. The industry shrinks when a child learns how to eat healthy and exercise,

and it grows when a child is overweight and given Ozempic and given a statin for high cholesterol and metformin for prediabetes and goes on the treadmill. Inevitably, they're going to be infertile, depressed, all the things. That's what's happening. And my message is that the root cause is very, very simple. It's that our food is poisoned. We're becoming more sedentary. It's basic metabolic habits. And you actually can incentivize those things. Doctors can recommend those things.

So that's what I'm trying to unwind here. And a big part of your philosophy of what's causing all this is sugar, right? 100%. I used to work for the food industry and the pharma industry. Those are my two clients. And that was very surprising to me. So I got into DC, did campaigns, was trying to fight the good fight. And I was shocked to learn when the campaigns were over, whether you're on the right or the left, you're inevitably sitting across the table after the campaign ends consulting for the pharmaceutical industry. I was working for John McCain back in the day in 2008. I was with my counterparts in the Obama campaign right after the campaign. The healthcare industry spends five times more than the oil industry on lobbying public affairs work.

What was surprising to me is I'm working for the pharma companies to get all these drugs prescribed and all these drugs funded, these drugs that 90% of the profits, 90% of the revenue comes from chronic conditions, from basic lifestyle, dietary-related conditions, heart disease, diabetes, cancer, which is extremely related to food, on down. So that's part one of the day. Part two of the day is meeting with food companies. And the objective of food companies is to sell addictive food. That's part one of the day. Part two of the day is meeting with food companies. And the objective of food companies is to sell addictive food. That's it. And it's particularly to get kids addicted to food.

So I was working with food companies like Coca-Cola to lobby the FTC to make sure that sugar companies could advertise to two-year-olds on TV, on Disney Channel, on Nickelodeon, things like that. I was working with them to get government funding for sugar. So I've talked a lot about how actually Coke has rigged the system that food stamps, which the lowest income in Americans depend on for food, 10% of all food stamp funding goes directly to sugary drink companies.

There's a $10 billion transfer from the government treasury to Coca-Cola every single year. That's crazy. And so kind of understandably, food companies are trying to get subsidies for their products, trying to get approval for their products. I was shocked working at a PR company, essentially, to see lists of Harvard doctors that we paid

money to, to get studies saying sugar doesn't cause obesity. Those studies have been fueled and given to regulators and politicians to influence the guidelines. And today, as we sit today in America, the USDA, which sets the dietary guidelines for Americans, says that 10% of a two-year-old's diet can be added sugar, added sugar, which is an addictive drug. So that's how it works in the food size. The devil's bargain that I put together in retrospect is why isn't the healthcare companies? Are you interested in coming on the Digital Social Hour podcast as a guest?

Well, click the application link below in the description of this video. We are always looking for cool stories, cool entrepreneurs to talk to about business and life. Click the application link below, and here's the episode, guys. When 85 to 90% of all of our healthcare problems, all of our costs, all of our deaths, nine of the top 10 leading causes of death, when they're all obviously manifestly tied to food.

I mean, if you cut sugar from the American diet, you would plummet diabetes and heart disease by 80 to 90% tomorrow. You can do this tomorrow. It is a metabolic disease. These are metabolic conditions. These are food-borne illnesses. Even with ***, we had multiples higher death counts and death rates than many other developed countries, many other developing countries, because of our poor metabolic health. If you were metabolically healthy, meaning you have stable blood sugar, stable cholesterol, not overweight, you didn't

die of ***. I didn't even feel it when I got it you didn't die you even if you were old yeah you look at the stats now it's almost 100 of deaths that they can trace to and that data is all problematic to begin with but but it's almost 100 had signs of metabolic dysfunction or overweight had high uh cholesterol had high blood sugar, these indicators that are tied to food. So the devil's bargain is why isn't the healthcare industry talking about this? Why, not even though they're silent, why when I was working for Coke, did the American Diabetes Association accept money from Coke? Why did the American Academy of Pediatrics accept money from Coke? These medical groups are actually accepting money from processed food companies every hospital in america you walk into has a soda machine there's actually sponsorships

and connections between hospitals and medical groups and foods so not only are they not the american diabetes association when diabetes has gone up eight times in a generation isn't saying we should stop drinking liquid sugar diabetes water They're actually taking money from Coke and recommending small cans of Coke as a good move for diabetics. So this is the problem, that we are getting sick for simple reasons. And we have a medical system that is not only silent, it's actually encouraging us not to really realize the centrality of our poison food system

to why we're getting sick. Because every single institution to really realize the centrality of our poison food system to why we're getting sick. Because every single institution that touches our health, from a pharmaceutical company to a medical school to a hospital to an insurance company, they make money when we're sicker for longer periods of time, and they lose money when we're healthy. So there's just a massive misalignment. I say don't look at what they say. Look at what the outcomes are. The problem with our healthcare system right now is that it gives a lot of, frankly, good people plausible deniability.

I think there are some very evil people, quite frankly, but the vast majority of people that work at medical schools, that are doctors, that are nurses, that work at hospitals, that even research for pharma companies, they're not bad people. They all have plausible deniability not one person not one person in the entire ecosystem is incentivized to ask why people are getting sick every single person right their job is to create products and services for more and more people getting sick i was recently talking to an obesity doctor at harvard off the record and you know i've been on this terror on Ozempic. You know, again, my main issue is we can't fund this as the first-line defense as a government for obesity without fixing our food system. Every marginal dollar we do

and commit to combat obesity should start with the food. It doesn't make any sense to poison ourselves and then drug ourselves. We should just stop poisoning ourselves. That's my point. I've had a lot of actual doctors reach out to me, a prominent doctor from Harvard. And she said, Callie, if I could snap my fingers tomorrow and cure childhood diabetes and obesity, I would. I got in this.

I became a doctor. There's easier ways to make money. I didn't become an obesity doctor to see a bunch of kids sick. But the fact is, we just built a new obesity center that costs $100 million. The huge new complex is she has a team. She just hired a new obesity center we did cost hundred million dollars i could be the huge new complexes she has a team she's hired you know twenty new doctors she's like if we don't have increased rates children coming in here that are

obese all of the latest people and will default on a loan for the new center well that's the dynamic every doctor faces where they basically just throw up their hands on asking why all these milk children with cardio with heart issues with diabetes with obesity what why everything they throw up their hands on that and they treat them for life again this ozempic it's a lifetime injection you can never go off that she stands you

can never go off of that form and you can they're all these lifetime managed conditions so that's the problem is, is that nobody's asking and nobody's incentivized to ask why we're getting sick. And until we attack that incentive, nothing else matters. So how did the food system get this bad to begin with? Yeah, so it actually started with relatively good intentions. So there's a big misnomer, I think, around life expectancy. Okay, Peter Atiyah wrote this book, and if you actually control for infectious diseases, life expectancy has increased in the past 100 years. So we did attack life expectancy and extend life by things like antibiotics, potentially some vaccines, things like that,

things that were generally created around World War II. So I just want to make that point clear. We actually were relatively vibrant and healthy, except for imminent things that would kill us right away, like infection. So it wasn't like this disaster that we always think about 50 to 100 years ago. We actually did have a whole food, relatively good diet, and our immune systems were pretty strong. What happened was our diet after World War IIi went from almost zero percent ultra processed food to today 70 it's that simple and after world war ii the good intentions

came through where we made food shelf stable because we had to feed the world the europe was devastated we need to ship food overseas so we made food shelf stable ultra processed food and we had a dynamic where there's three ingredients that became staples of our diet so the three ingredients of ultra processed food if you look at any label are added sugar and we all talk about sugar but i don't think we quite understand sugar consumption has gone up a hundred times in the past hundred years if a child's drinking drinking one can or a 20 ounce bottle of Coke, they are ingesting as much sugar as they did a hundred years ago, an entire year, an entire year. So sugar consumption, we were able to sneak that into ultra processed food.

The second thing, the reason it's shelf stable is refined grains. So refined grains are essentially an invention of the past 60 years. And the refining is taking the fiber off. So you have a whole grain. It does rot, actually. The fiber has a lot of nutrition value. It blunts the glucose impact. The reason everything's able to stay on the shelf for years is because we take that fiber, that part with all the nutrition off, and it's basically just hidden sugar.

So you look at any processed food, any food on the shelf, you'll see some kind of refined wheat. That is a new invention. And it's a staple of our diet now. It's in everything we're eating. And that's basically no nutrition and basically just going straight to our bloodstream and converting into sugar. And the third is seed oil. So seed oils were an invention by John D. Rockefeller as an industrial byproduct to oil. It literally was used as oil, as engine lubricant in the 1920s, 1930s. And John D. Rockefeller and his acolytes actually determined that they could lobby the government because it's so cheap and actually put it into food. And now our top source of calories as Americans, if you isolate all the ingredients,

the top way we get calories is soybean oil. Wow. You look at, people that don't even even know the term you look at any food you're eating at it most likely has uh soybean oil seriously and we subsidize that heavily so we've taken this this this goal to make ultra processed food and now that's close to 70 percent of our diet so i i think it's actually very simple. Ultra processed food is very addictive. You're able to basically engineer it. Thousands of scientists from the tobacco industry have actually moved to food in the past 30 years to make our food highly addictive. You're able to engineer it. So it's addictive. And then ultra processed food is much more profitable than just

selling broccoli or just good meat. so it's profitable and it's addictive and we're just quite simply eating food that we're not biologically evolutionary made to eat that's the basis of our diet it's just that simple in japan ultra processed food consumption is 25 percent of their diet they live seven years longer wow Wow. That's actually a lot. That's like 10%. Yeah. Here, it's close to 70% of our diet and we're off the charts in almost every chronic conditions. And for the most sustained period since 1860, life expectancy is actually going down. It's actually well before is declining in America right now. So at the rate we're going, we must be one of the sickest countries in the world right now. I mean, I think the biggest warning flag we possibly

have is that our bodies are giving up their evolutionary functions um male sperm count is plummeting you know more than 50 in the past generation i don't know if you've talked to other people about this but but it is you know we we throw around that statistic like it's it's astounding um a uh a um 70 year old uh 40 years ago had a higher sperm count than a 21-year-old today. You kind of joke about – there's an Alex Jones clip about the water making the frogs transgender. It's actually – the type of chemicals and the type of hormone disrupting things in our food and in our water that is banned in every other country is astounding. It's astounding. Our chemicals are being disrupted.

You actually have seven-year-old girls growing breasts now at an alarming rate. The New York Times recently wrote a front page article saying puberty is happening earlier and earlier, specifically in America. And then the next part of the headline was nobody knows why. It's like we know why. We have endocrine disrupting chemicals all over our food. So I think there's no bigger warning sign than that.

And then you look at women, the big problems with male sperm count, PCOS, which is the leading cause of infertility. I don't know if any of your friends, you talk to a lot of women right now who are in childbearing age, PCOS is rampant. It's gone up multiples in the past 20 years. About 25% of women are diagnosed with PCOS, which is a leading cause of infertility.

Miscarriages, gestational diabetes, a lot of complications with fertility are just skyrocketing right now. So our bodies literally literally our core evolutionary function we're we're less and less able to do so i i don't know what else could be a bigger warning sign this is scary man for real people in their 20s are infertile i was 100 100 um the the rate our bodies are giving up and rebelling against literal procreation um if you look at any stats on male and female infertility it it's a huge issue. But again, the medical system, right? You go to a fertility doctor, it's like this rite of passage right now. It's like this modern, amazing thing for a woman to cut open her body and store her

eggs or to do this IVF procedures. And that's what the system thrusts you in. I'm not saying IVF is bad. If you're having trouble conceiving, I think it is a miracle for those people. But I think the fact that we have a rampant increase in infertility, and that if a woman goes to a Harvard-educated or Stanford educated, where I went, doctors, and I know many of them, and she asks, why am I infertile? They will push her straight to an intervention. They will push her straight to a surgical intervention. They will not tell her that PCOS literally is an earlier stage of diabetes. PCOS isn't related to diabetes.

PCOS is insulin resistance. It literally is blood sugar dysregulation based on what we're eating. That's literally what it is. That's crazy. And no doctor will say that to a woman. They will tell her that it's this modern miracle that she can get her, her stomach cut open and, and have artificial birth. So, so that's another example of how, I don't think OBGYNs are bad people. I think they got in for the right reasons, But they are out of a job if IVF procedures, if fertility procedures don't skyrocket.

They're not telling that woman that actually not only can she probably reverse that problem by food and metabolic habits, stop eating poison, move a little bit more. That probably will extend her lifespan on other issues. My mom had gestational diabetes. I was born at 12 pounds, which was a high fives for my mom. Me being born at a high birth weight actually was a sign my mom had metabolic dysfunction. It was a sign of her prediabetes. Oh, wow. No mention of that.

And she goes year after year after year and has health problem after health problem after health problem that everyone has. Oh, a statin, 50% of people your age have this, take it for high blood, high cholesterol, going along the treadmill. She ends up getting cancer and passes away. And the cancer doctor says, that's unlucky. I'm so sorry. It's not unlucky. These people getting cancer and getting life-threatening conditions, there's so many warning signs, starting probably with the infertility. So the fact that we're not raising those warning signs, the fact that we're not telling women and men who are seeing fertility issues and decreased sperm count, that not only is this going to hurt your ability to procreate, but this is actually a warning sign that you're going to have more problems probably in life, that you're at much higher risk for depression, that you're probably going to die earlier statistically unless you get your core habits in line yeah and there's a if doctors had those conversations with them i don't think americans are trying to be epidemically fat and infertile and depressed i don't i just

i don't think patients are trying to kill themselves that's what we're being led to believe yeah i think if we had a medical system that explained the truth that didn't recommend poison people as it does right now that that that actually had food and changing our food system as the first line of defense, I think we could change things very quickly. I think we could. I just think the cards right now are stacked against us. 100%. Because like you mentioned earlier, even people at Harvard, they're compromised with their studies. You don't even know which studies are accurate.

You know what I mean? 100%. Again, it was a real wake-up call to me. And I think this is? A hundred percent. I, again, it was, uh, it was a real wake up call to me. And I think this is, we fall for it again and again, we see a study and we say, oh, it's a peer reviewed study from Harvard. I think we have a problem where, you know, a document from an elite university, there's just no higher respect we give to something. A document from Harvard, particularly a nutrition study, has no greater weight than a public relations document printed out by a food company. The food industry funds

nutrition research 11 times more than the NIH. The food industry is the bedrock of all nutrition research. There was 50,000 nutrition studies, peer-rereviewed produced in the last two years um i believe that if you press a button and eliminate all nutrition researchers and all nutrition studies um they're just not that field anymore we'd be much healthier the only difference between us and every other animal in the wild um is that we have experts telling us what to eat and humans are the only animals that are systematically fat, that are systematically diabetic. Humans and animals we've domesticated, you actually have dogs, right?

60% of them qualify as obese, and they do studies on dog mental health. More than 50% of dogs experience depression or are depressed. You don't have depressed, fat wolves in the wild. If an animal is in its natural state, it knows how to move. It has a predereliction to natural food. It's in the sun. But if you put any animal in a windowless box, sedentary, force-feeding them ultra-processed food and subjecting them to chronic stress at all hours, which is basically what we do to kids right now, they're going to go crazy. It's not complicated.

Absolutely. Speaking of kids, the school lunches I ate growing up were just, looking back, it was horrendous. A big initiative at um coke and working for the food companies was around kids and again look at what their out results are not what they say um with coca-cola and with food companies an explicit goal was to get kids addicted to processed food early there's nothing more profitable in the world, in this country, than a child who is addicted and sick. Because those habits are going to, and those trends are going to carry on for the rest of their lives. And they're not going to

probably die right away. But there's interventions that will continually have to take place to heal or attempt to heal that child. But it's not healing. It's managing. So with Coke, a huge, huge initiative was normalizing ultra-processed food in schools. There's a top priority of Coca-Cola to have a vending machine in every single school in America. So over 90% of, of schools have a full sugar soda machine to this day. You had a lawmaker recently, um, last name Schmedes in New Mexico who put a bill for to ban sugary drink vending machines in New Mexico schools. It had no chance of passage.

Coca-Cola executives flew in a private jet the next day, went to members of the New Mexico legislature, threw money at them, and killed the bill. If they're literally in any state, federally, even locally, if there's even a whiff of taking Coke out of schools, Coke carpet bombs literally a private plane of executives who go and throw around my image sure all that coke stays in those schools are um... there was recently wall street

journal article saying that lunchable sees their and craft sees that their next great uh... for a their big growth trajectory twenty billion dollar opportunity in schools you won't believe this, but Lunchables was just classified as a fruit. A fruit? It is classified as a fruit because there's one rotten slice of apple in the Lunchables for schools. It's classified as a fruit and it qualifies for federal school lunch subsidies, which is one of the largest sources

of funding for childhood nutrition. So you actually have, when you add it all up, we as a country spend over $100 billion per year of government money paying for sugary food to give to kids. That includes food stamps, as I mentioned, 10%, 10 billion plus goes to soda, but 70% of all food stamps are for ultra processed food. No other country does that. No other country has their low income nutrition program,

subsidized food that's going to make people sick, that's going to make them depressed and going to cost our health care system trillions of dollars downstream that's policy yeah but we have a rig system that does that so we fund through food stamps through agriculture subsidies through federal school lunch programs we're writing the check almost guaranteeing that these kids are going to live a suboptimal life i i didn't even until a couple years ago really wrap my head around what diabetes is diabetes Diabetes is cells malfunctioning. Like, like diabetes is cellular dysregulation. Um, you know, 20% of your energy is produced in your brain. If you're pre-diabetic or diabetic, you have a three times higher chance of having a mental health problem because your literal brain, your brain is not getting the correct amount of energy. Um, somebody with diabetes has a 99% chance of having at least

one other comorbidity, at least one other problem like heart disease or something like that. It literally means your cells are malfunctioning. Diabetes is not a finite disease. It's the underpinnings. Our cells not performing correctly because of food is the underpinning of a lot of other conditions. And again, 30% of teens have it, 66% of adults have prediabetes. I mean, we're just kind of, we're writing the check. And this is, again, the devil's bark. And we are funding our destruction with a broken food system. And then we have a medical system that's complicit, basically profiting from this and not speaking out. I know we're being a little bit depressing, but what gives me hope, honestly, is that you're talking about it, everyone from Joe Rogan on down is talking about it, Tucker

is talking about it, independent media is talking about it, Barry Weiss, people on the left and the right who get out of this echo chamber where the bills are paid by, the powers that be, are talking about this because it's the most important issue people face. The fact that kids are getting sick and we're all, you know, our parents and everyone around us is getting a little bit sicker, not at their best. That's a huge issue. And this thing can change so quickly. Like, I'm actually hardened, you know, when you look at the polls, whatever you think of them, Trump and RFK are getting over 70% of the vote in a three-way race.

Biden's getting 28%. Now, let's not even getting into the strengths and weaknesses of these candidates. The American people in a three-way race are going more than 70% to politicians that are aggressively calling out our institutions. And, you know, obviously with RFK, but increasingly with President Trump, you're hearing very aggressive denunciations of the healthcare system and what's happening to kids. Trump's actually made a couple of speeches about this. So you have the American people, I think on the national level, waking up and saying, we need some serious changes. And if the president and the head of the NIH and the heads of medical schools tomorrow said that we need to start shifting medical dollars away from sick care and towards incentivizing a better food system so our kids aren't being poisoned, I think things would change quickly.

If the USDA said, instead of recommending sugar, said, you know what, parents, we should stop as Americans giving our kids sugar. No bans. I don't support any bans. But if medical leaders say to do something, we do it. When they said to stop smoking, with the Surgeon General's report, smoking rates plummeted. For better or worse, when Dr. Fauci told us to get the vaccine, 90% of Americans got one. We actually listen to medical leaders. And if we had leadership on this issue, which I think we need from the kind of federal level, from politicians and regulators who aren't in the pocket of these industries, if they can lead this effort, we will see societal change.

Yeah, I'm excited about it. I can't wait for the next election, actually. I haven't said that about any election. I mean, we're ending 2024. I'm worried and optimistic. How are you feeling? I'm good with Trump-RFK, honestly. If one of those two win 2024. I'm worried and optimistic. How are you feeling? I'm good with Trump-RFK, honestly. If one of those two win it, I'm happy.

I hope it's a peaceful year. Yeah. Oh, gosh, we'll see. Now, I have a crazy fact here that you sent me. So the richest American men live 15 years longer than the poorest American men. I get very – I'm just frankly angry at this point when I see social justice kind of language used to basically sell and keep kids eating bad food. I mean, I saw that with Coke who paid the NAACP, a civil rights group that's done a lot of good work throughout American history, but now is a pay-for-play organization. So Coca-Cola paid the NAACP to say that anyone who wanted to stop federal funding for Coca-Cola was racist, that you were taking away choice from lower-income kids.

The biggest social justice issue in this country is nutrition. The reason for that stat, the reason a lower-income man dies close to 15 years younger than an upper, which is just hard to wrap your head around. The chief reason, the primary reason, is that they are feeding their body toxic things. And it's other simple metabolic habits. Obviously, lower income people probably have higher rates of chronic stress, worse sleep, potentially more sedentary, but it's all a loop. So food is primary. But if you could just attack and incentivize better metabolic habits, you know, instead of getting these folks on Medicaid and a lower income person on Medicaid who's diabetic by age 25 is going to

cost the US taxpayer over a million dollars. Dang. Because they don't die. It's such a great source of funds for the medical system. The government's paying the bill. Taxpayers are paying that bill. They're not, like, not getting their medication. Right. So it's a beautiful thing for the medical system. And there's huge efforts to get that lower-income person sick.

Right. And then get the healthcare system gets those millions of dollars from the government. Okay. From Medicaid. We spend more as a country right now from the federal treasury to manage diabetes than the federal treasury spends on all defense. Holy crap. The line item for diabetes management and the federal budget when you add it

up is more than all of the defense department. And that's our tax dollars. It's our tax dollars. And it's happening, again, because we are letting and actually pushing. You're often co-opting the same groups who are lecturing us about social justice are standing by as lower incomeincome communities, as communities of color are getting decimated by metabolic conditions. The best social justice thing we could do, the best thing we could do for every American, but particularly lower-income Americans, is give, like they do in Sweden, quite frankly,

give everyone a card where they can buy non-poisoned whole natural food. I'd rather fund that than fund pharma i don't support you know a lot of people say well you know we don't like these programs we don't like i i'm a libertarian i'm a i'm a you know grew up as a conservative um i uh i don't like a nanny state i don't like big government um a heavy hand but we have a corrupt broken market right now right now we're standing by and letting these industries basically completely co-opt our system what we have right now in health care is worse than socialized health care we have a kleptocracy we have a corporate kleptocracy where our systems are totally owned by industry um and fueling the fastest

growing and largest industry in the country health, while we're all getting sick and getting worse outcomes. That's what we have right now because we're ignoring food. The best thing for our budget, the best thing for American competitors we could do is take the $4 trillion we spend on healthcare and ask a simple question. How can we actually keep people healthy? Right now it's how do we manage people that are sick? 95% of that $4 trillion go to managing conditions after people are sick, not curing them. If we could simply reverse that and simply, and it's not just preventative healthcare, food and exercise and actually incentivizing these things is actually the best way to reverse

things, right? If somebody has heart disease or diabetes or even Alzheimer's, there's landmark studies now that Alzheimer's is being reversed through food interventions. Really? Yes. Alzheimer's is now called type 3 diabetes. It's skyrocketing. Wow. And it's because of metabolic dysfunctions, because of high blood sugars, because there's dysregulation in our cells. You can actually reverse Alzheimer's, kidney disease, a lot

of these conditions. So if we could simply do that, if we could simply ask what I think most Americans would say is obvious, but how do we actually steer that money to reversing, to preventing conditions, not just managing people who already have conditions, a lot of good could happen. But getting access to that money being put in the right ways will be very difficult because these big food and big pharma are funding it, right? Yeah, I think there's this trend. You see it with Elon kind of saying, go f*** yourself. I think we need more of that attitude from our leaders.

I think we need more, quite frankly, of that attitude of like I'm not going to be bribed from doing the wrong thing. I think if that courage can get into elected leaders, particularly on the presidential level, the president's the only politician in America that's responsible and accountable to every single person. I've been working a lot with members of Congress who are good people but are super tied to their individual interests and susceptible to, frankly, corruption of this industry but if you had a president with a go f**k yourself attitude if you had uh frankly some leaders at some of these health care companies that um said i'm not going to continue profiting and and pushing ozempic on six-year-olds which is what's happening right now they're about to approve for six-year-olds um that's just wrong i'm gonna i'm gonna speak out and actually put the mantle down that we have to change these happening right now. They're about to approve for six-year-olds. That's just wrong. I'm going to speak out and actually put the mantle down that we have to change the incentives of healthcare to actually get people healthier. And that's got to involve reforming our food system.

And that might cost our profits in the short term. You just need people with bigger moral courage. But yeah, I mean, that could be that can be the president that could be, um, the Dean of a medical school speaking like we're speaking, speaking clearly about this. Who's saying, I don't care if I'm going to reduce my research funding from pharma, which is 50% of most med schools budget. Yeah.

You need courage. We have a lack of moral courage. We have a moral crisis in the healthcare industry right now. And I hope podcasts like this can help inspire people to get out of their shells a little bit. Well, I think what gives me hope, as I said, whether it's a comedy podcast

like Rogan and many others, whether it's any topic, we're all gravitating. Anytime you have independent media, anytime you have microphones that aren't paid for by pharma companies, which is all mainstream media microphones, you get to this topic and you start unpacking this topic. Sorry. You're good.

Can you just throw me that water? Sorry, guys. No, you're good. All right. Just take one sip. Anytime you don't have microphones corrupted by and paid for by pharma, you get to this topic. The best-selling books in the country right now are on this topic or on metabolic health or on, you know, Peter T had the best-selling book of the year that touches on this topic. So, and then, and then I think millions of people are wearing bio wearables. They're actually subverting the doctor's office and getting control of their own data. So I do

think people are waking up. Yeah. Is it true the U S and New Zealand are the only two countries where big pharma is allowed to advertise? This is the key point about pharmaceutical advertising. It's not to influence you, these goofy ads. It's to influence the news itself. Working for pharma, I saw this. We paid for ads so we had a line into the news producers. Oh, that's smart. This is the key point.

By paying the bills, and let's be clear, 50% of TV news ad spending is pharmaceutical. Wow. 50%. That's crazy. When you have a paycheck and your microphone is paid for predominantly by one industry, think about the self-censoring you would do. If your millions of dollars of your paycheck, your mortgage, your child's private school is paid for by the pharmaceutical industry, that is implicit

corruption, right? You don't even need people telling you what to say. You know. I've talked to people at NBC and CNN, friends. I used to work in the swamp, used to work in media, have many friends there. They said it's a non-starter. Show me any mainstream news station aggressively covering the largest story in the world which is that we're all getting sicker fatter more more depressed more infertile i can say it again yeah we're getting sicker fatter more depressed more infertile and we're not covering that we're not covering the biggest. Wow. This is why the independent media revolution is so disruptive. This is why in leaked emails at the NIH between the head of the NIH and Dr. Fauci, Joe Rogan was literally called enemy number one.

Really? A person who's smoking pot at a microphone talking every day about working out, looking at the sunlight, and eating healthy. And eating bears, yeah. That person is literally, according to Dr. Fauci in 2020-21, enemy number one. Wow. That is a disruptive message to the pharma industrial complex. And think about it. We used to have a media that exposed government corruption.

Yeah. austral complex and think about it we used to have a media that exposed government corruption yeah right now the media is an absolute referee for anyone that dares ask a question for sure of our particularly pharmaceutical industries look what they're doing to rfk yeah they are literally demonetizing and not allowing uh videos um on major outlets this is it's just this simple when one industry is the top funder of technology companies youtube ads instagram ads the top funder of media media ads the top funder of politicians number one campaign contributor to individual politicians wow the top funder of schools top fund the pharma is the top funder of research grants you were they are literally paying the bills for every single industry that has influence in our country not even to mention the the fda itself the fda 75 of its budget it doesn't come from

the government taxpayers it comes from pharma pharma actually pays the fda's budget so so so you've you created this system where the bills for every single institution that matters is paid by this industry that makes more money when we're sicker yeah and their margins must be insane don't they mark some of these drugs up like crazy yeah i think in 2021 visor had i think one of the highest if not the highest revenue of any company ever um you know you have this ridiculousness of the highest, if not the highest revenue of any company ever. Crazy. You know, you have this ridiculousness of the drugs costing a lot to develop, but almost all that is marketing cost. Yeah. They factor that in.

There hasn't been, you know, I'd ask anyone listening to name a chronic disease drug, a drug for a chronic condition, you know, diabetes, heart disease, cancer, etc. And then in the past 40 years, that's really attacked that disease. Every single disease we're attacking is going up. We spend worldwide in the history of statins, which is the drug for heart disease, we've spent a trillion dollars worldwide on statins. Heart disease rates are exploding. As I said, SSRIs are the most prescribed drug in the country. Depression and suicide skyrocketing. Every single condition we're treating and paying trillions of dollars for drugs and

interventions for, it's going up. One message I'd give here, and I think because it's like, should I not listen to my doctor and everything? You shouldn't pay your doctor much credence on chronic conditions. If your doctor is talking to you about preventing obesity or diabetes or heart disease or cancer or kidney disease or even managing, frankly, with a child or you, their record on that is shameful. And they just logically don't deserve any benefit. You should listen to them, but they don't deserve any benefit at all. The medical system is a miracle on acute issues. If you have a gunshot wound, a burst appendix, a complicated childbirth, an infection,

something that's going to kill you right away, we're great at that. But that's 5% to 10% of all medical spending. So if you have something that's going to kill you, go to the doctor, listen to them. But the problem is we've taken that trust, and really miracles, I think mostly before World War II with the invention of antibiotics and things like that,

that the medical system's garnered, and they've asked us to trust them on chronic issues. The reason chronic issues are so problematic for us, it's good for the medical system, is because they're recurring revenue. There's no incentive for a mental health doctor to get you off of antidepressants because that means you stop coming to them. There's no reason for an obesity doctor to get you off of a Zympic. There's no reason for a

cardiologist to get you off statins. The second you reverse your condition fully, which can only happen through food and lifestyle, you're not going to see that doctor anymore. Yep. The accessibility to these drugs is so easy. I remember going to a doctor I never met in college, telling him I had anxiety. Within two minutes, he gave me Xanax, and I was out the door. That's happening in schools. I mean, mental health professionals at schools are basically Xanax and SSRI pill mills.

Yeah, it's terrible, man. We'll end off on this. You recently went to Congress, right? Yes. What were you trying to get accomplished there? Yeah, so I've been dragged into this fight, just talking about my insight as a lobbyist for these industries.

And it's been really rewarding to engage with members of Congress. I will say that they are trying to change this. I'd say these members of Congress on both sides have kids and they see something really bad happening with kids. What I'm hearing from them is that, frankly, outside leadership is needed and presidential leadership is needed. What they're telling me is that every single day lobbyists are coming to their office and they're throwing fake studies down. I call them fake studies.

They're studies that are paid for by the food industry saying sugar doesn't cause obesity. There's literally a study from the NIH recently that says Lucky Charms is healthier than beef. I saw that one. It's just, again, but it's funny until you talk to these members of Congress and they're like, the NIH is telling me this. Like, they just have study the reason these companies fund these studies is to throw them at members of congress face and they're threatened by the lobbyists they're told if you say that processed food and cereal isn't good for kids we're going to call you anti-science if you do anything to hurt the trucks loads of

money going to drugs and put them more root cause we're going to call we're going to say you're killing old people so you're getting threatened with these studies being threatened that the media and all these entities and medical groups and schools and harvard everyone's going to come down on them for being anti-science if they go against so that's how the studies relate to them and they are basically dming me and other people you're having on the show and saying how can we cause more attention to this? They need to basically reset the culture and I think feel a little bit trapped. I do think there's some easy things we can do.

I mean, tomorrow the president can outlaw pharmaceutical ads on TV. That is an executive order that could happen tomorrow. Wow. So there's pushing on that. Now, it looks like next year we're going to have congressional testimonies on Coca-Cola executives, Coca-Cola executives who are doing fraudulent things with research. I think who are like the cigarette companies knowingly causing harm to kids who are paying off civil rights groups and rigging our institutions. I think there's going to be some investigations into them. And then I think we're having a lot of talk on schools. We had that disgraceful testimonies

from the presidents of Harvard and Penn and others, right? Saying they weren't sure whether the genocide of Jews was against the code of conduct. That actually represents a much deeper issue, which is these schools have totally lost their way. And schools are basically propped up, elite academic institutions are basically propped up with industry money and are just completely corrupt enterprises.

And I think tomorrow, tomorrow, the president can say, no NIH grants to any researcher with a conflict of interest. You wouldn't believe this, but right now, the majority of NIH grants go to university professors with a direct conflict of interest on what they're studying. Literally, nutrition researchers who have been paid by food companies, not research grants, but bribes, consulting payments, and then pharmaceutical researchers who have been paid direct payments, consulting fees, by pharmaceutical companies with interest in what they're studying. That is the majority of NIH grants. There is no conflict of interest rules for any federal grant right now. So you could change that tomorrow.

So you actually can chip away at the incentives, and I will tell you, it does give me hope that people are waking up to this on Capitol Hill and trying to push these very simple ideas that can be instituted quickly as much as I can. I hope we can change this because our kids growing up in this environment is really scary. 100%. Yeah. Well, Callie, it's been a pleasure, man. Where can people find you?

I'm on socials at Callie Means, C-A-L-L-E-Y-M-E-A-N-S. And my company is TrueMed, TrueMed.com. And we are actually prescribing food and exercise and enable people to spend tax-free money, FSH is $8 on food and exercise, which you actually can do. And I think that's another part of the solution. Nice. You can actually buy food and exercise tax-free

with a doctor's note, which we make very seamless. So trumed.com. Yeah, I'll link it in the video. Thanks for coming on, man. Thanks, man. Yeah, thanks for watching, guys. See you tomorrow.