Digital Social Hour - David Thurin On Fixing Back Pain, Doing a Full Split, Best Stretches & Fixing Poor Posture DSH #149

Episode Date: November 7, 2023

On today's episode of Digital Social Hour, we sit down with David Thurin to discuss the best stretches you can do, how to fix back pain and how to increase ankle flexibility. BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail] APPLY TO BE ON THE POD: https://forms.gle/qXvENTeurx7Xn8Ci9 SPONSORS: Opus Pro: https://www.opus.pro/?via=DSH HelloFresh: https://www.hellofresh.com/50dsh AG1: https://www.drinkAG1.com/DSH Hostage Tape: https://hostagetape.com/DSH LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

When I was growing up it was kind of weird to be flexible. Like you got made fun of as a guy. Is it still like that? Yeah, people think I'm gay. To put it bluntly. But I'm married, I have a kid, I'm as straight as they come. But yeah, it comes across as very vulnerable. Like if you're trying to touch your toes with locked out knees, your butt is out there for everything.

And it also doesn't help that a lot of the times in these videos I wear some pretty short shorts. Probably should like change my wardrobe a little bit. All right, welcome back to the Digital Social Hour, guys. I'm your host, Sean Kelly. You're my co-host, Charlie Cavalier. And our guest today, David Thurin. Hey, how's it going?

Good, how are you? Good, man. Welcome to the show. Glad to be here. Do you think you could be flexible and strong at the same time? Because I see this misconception that you can't. Yeah, you absolutely can it's it's if if life was a video game you could put stats in both strength and flexibility so that's the way I like

to frame it but you definitely can build one and the other there's people on Instagram that I see that um that they're over there dead lifting close to 700 pounds or even above 700 pounds and they're almost at or are at a full split really these guys are crazy whoa yeah so like that's nuts yeah i can't do either one of those things no me either i mean i could do a split mate yeah but not the dead lifting 700 pounds yeah i did do you think too much training for sports goes into strength instead of flexibility like is there a disproportionate amount of focus on what you're doing well it depends on what your goal is really like for a football player it's probably a good idea to train a lot of its explosivity which is why those guys can jump like really high like NBA level

but people don't know that because they're on a field sprinting but a lot of those guys you'll see them jumping over other football players almost in a full split so there is value to flexibility but let's say you're a pool player at a professional level, you probably don't need your full splits. So it just depends on your goal. Yeah. What are some stretches you do daily like that you recommend other people do? This month I've stretched once. Oh, that's it? Yeah. Oh, I thought that was like your daily routine. Yeah. That's what people think, but you you actually so there's a difference between trying to gain flexibility and maintaining flexibility I'm in a maintaining phase right now eventually I'll probably go for like over splits

and stuff like that but I only need to stretch like once a month to maintain my skill level right now for the full and front middle splits yeah that makes me feel better because I thought you needed to do it daily that's what everybody thinks that's the huge misconception like you could if like if you needed to do it daily. That's what everybody thinks. That's the huge misconception. Like you could, if you were to train like a bodybuilder, build up all this muscle and then just completely switch and now like you're a professional pool player now, but you're like this jacked bodybuilder guy, you're not just going to lose all that muscle

unless you stop training altogether. But if you train once or twice at a very high intensity every week, you're going to maintain that. It's the same thing with flexibility. Wow, yeah. But when you were training it, what were some things you were doing daily? So there's two approaches you could do it.

You could approach it through a skill aspect, like you could train specific skills, or you could treat it like, again, the bodybuilder, who does every little muscle group separately. I did a little bit of both, because I obviously wanted to get to my splits. So there's, it's like the bits, the pieces, and then the whole.

So you stretch your hamstrings and then you stretch your hip flexor and then you stretch them both together and then you go and try and do your split. So every single routine, if you were to do it daily, that's what it would look like. And how many months did it take you

to achieve a full split? A middle split took me about about probably about a full year a year and a half maybe even two years but that was because I was very very inconsistent knowing what I know now and if I was consistent I could definitely have achieved it in less than six months Wow Wow yeah that's crazy that was just the difference between knowing what to do and what not to do. So do you feel like if you wanted to, you could specifically target, you know, muscle X to get more flexibility and you can like, are you, are you going for overall mobility flexibility or are you like isolating muscles or tendons that you specifically want to?

It, it depends. So for me, I just just I really like the skills like the splits and stuff so I trained them like that but they're obviously like when I very first started I was like I need to touch my toes that's the very first step so I obviously was very very centered on hamstring flexibility but you could do it both ways if you like if you were to work on getting to your front split you're gonna be able to touch your toes eventually because you're basically working on both at the same time. Is it true you're able to squat more

by increasing your ankle flexibility? Yes and no. It depends on your genetics. Like some people have really long torsos and really short femurs, and that is the ultimate squat, like that's the lottery right there. Because your knee doesn't even have to go past your toe at all and you're already in a deep squat but if you were somebody who has a

really really short torso and really really long femurs your knee has to go way past your toe in order for you to get that deep squat so it literally depends on the shape of your body but generally ankle mobility will really really really help your squat and it'll help prevent sprained ankles correct yeah yeah I've seen people walking on the sides of their ankles like normal yeah you could probably do it yeah I can do that I one of those things that I I pull out every once a while it's like one of those viral things I do in my videos is all like squat down and then I'll just

Roll both of my ankles every once and I'll just be fine Yeah, sitting on his ankles. I just like that. We're on we're both on team mismatched shoes. Yeah, we're Miss Matt. Yeah, we love this it drives conversation. It's good for videos to people comments about it. Yeah, I'm gonna get Sean on that Yeah, one day. What are the health benefits of your sort of philosophy on this this lifestyle so if okay so one of those quotes that you hear is uh here it's by Joseph Pilates the guy who made Pilates but he said you're only as old as your spine is and if you're if your spine is stiff then you're old and if your spine is flexible then you're young because when you're stiff you don't have the ability to move and movement is what gives your body the signal to put synovial fluid in your joints to get blood flow to your joints which has all the nutrients that heal things so it's really it okay

there's a give and a take because if I'm just gonna train my ankle flexibility all time it's probably not gonna affect my health hall of match all that much but if i train my spinal flexibility it's probably going to affect me a lot long term positively so and what are some exercises to train that because i've never heard of that yes in the gym most of your training is just in line with a neutral spine but I purposefully do the opposite of that so there's no such thing as a bad exercise as long as you have load management meaning if I'm like trying to deadlift 300 pounds and my back is rounding that's probably terrible for my back I might herniate a disc I might who knows

what I'll do but if I lower the weight and it's like I could do it probably with close to 200 pounds at this point But I probably would use less like around 100 pounds and I rounded my spine on purpose I could train spinal flexion under load safely. So it's all about load management So you just pick all one of all of the ranges of motion out there. See there's twisting there's forward and back and If you you can do all of those under a little bit of weight and not a lot of weight, just a little bit of weight, and you will build up those capacities over time. Interesting. I've never

heard of training your spine like that. Yeah, no, I mean, either. And I knew I need it badly. And I was going to ask, you know, I sit at a desk all day. I know you sit at a desk a decent amount of time too. What are like the number one things that, you know, guys like us sitting down at a computer all day, we get lower back pain lower back pain we get you know the behind the shoulder blade pain pain stuff like that what do we do move as much as possible that's literally the answer like i said earlier it's all about the more you move the more blood flow and the more synovial fluid gets put into all your joints and the less pain you'll experience a lot of people like to harp on posture and they're like posture, posture, posture. But the latest evidence shows that posture isn't really correlated with back pain. So your next posture is your best posture. So always be thinking about like

every five minutes, 10 minutes, 15 minutes, it's time to switch it up a little bit, you know, move your spine a little bit. If you take 10 minute breaks every now and then get your hips through a full range of motion. So it's basically all about getting the most amount of movement as possible. That's all it is. That makes sense. How many steps a day do you move? How many steps a day?

Yeah. It depends on the day. Right now, it's like deplorable. It's like 4,000. For me, that's bad. But this time, last year, believe it or not, I was working in FedEx while I was grinding all these videos. And I was doing like 30,000 steps a day. Holy crap.

Yeah, I've done both. And either way, I feel pretty healthy. Isn't it supposed to be close to 10,000, they say? Yeah, they say 10,000 is the mark. More is better, but it starts to like tail off. And then your benefits get less and less and less and less and less. But hey, 4,000 steps is better than 3,000 steps so the point is is just move walk as much as possible like if you have breaks if you like any of that just move as much as possible yeah we live such sedentary lifestyles

these days yeah so easy to with two devices that social media I used to live in my in my bed for like a month. We have all gone through that phase, right? Yeah. I was actually homeschooled growing up. And most of my education, I would just say was YouTube. Because I avoided my schoolwork and was mostly on YouTube. There wasn't a lot of movement involved then.

I was just watching videos. You probably learned more from that than school at least. Yeah. I went to college and I was just you know watching videos you probably learned more than from not that school at least yeah I went to college and I I was kind of sir I I had a lot of common sense and a lot of logic just because I I just grew up that way but I I had already read books on books on books on books by the time I got to college that I kind of felt like I don't like this scene anymore so I just kind of dropped out I feel that yeah so what are you doing these days um all of my focus right now is just on the content in the videos that's literally the only thing I do right now how many videos are you

dropping a day a day that's funny I dropped probably 15 to 20 a month okay almost wanted to yeah but it's it's complicated now because I'm married and I also have a six month old baby now. So my time is very, very valuable to me. And I split it between the two, obviously. And how do you monetize the content? Is it just off the views, the ad revenue? Yeah, literally I just get a lot of views and the pennies they pay me for the views is enough to pay my rent. That's literally it it and then the latest thing is i have a joint health supplement that's available for purchase and then that is probably about half of my revenue right now oh nice yeah i want to dive into that what got you into that space supplement space yeah so that was back when i was working in fedex and i

really really wanted to just make money and get out of fedex and just focus on the content and i was approached by um some guys through my email I got to know him and I was like wow like we could really make this this like this is actually a really cool thing and there's a giant hole in the market for for joint health supplements because the main ingredient is glucosamine and chondroitin and in the studies they would have these patients take 500 milligrams three times a day. So that's a lot.

That's a lot. But if you go to a store and get a joint health supplement, a good portion of them are going to have 50 milligrams and say take it once or twice a day. So there's a huge gap there. So the amount of stuff that I put into this joint health supplement doesn't fit in a pill. So it's a drink. And there's a hole in the market. So why don't we do that? So that's what I put out there. Interesting interesting is there something you avoid putting in your body hmm um I so it's it's complicated for me

because I have a lot of health and like autoimmune disorders I have asthma allergies you can even see a little bit of red spots up here I have psoriasis this is the best it's ever been believe it or not it was to cover my entire forehead so I avoid gluten dairy but the two worst things for me right now are corn and soy why those two things I avoid I I couldn't really tell you the science behind it but I could tell you what happens to me when I eat it when I have soy like let's say it's like a chocolate bar with like soy lecithin and it's like a little like an emulsifier I'll eat it within five minutes maybe even less I'll start to feel it going through my veins I feel it in my body yeah and then my brain will

start to get foggy and then at sometimes depending on if it's corn or soy I'll start to get like an asthma attack and Jesus and it'll actually affect me for at least the rest of the week Oh my gosh, that's the week. Yeah, but I've had reactions last several months. Oh several months Yeah, just just paralyzes you at that point basically It's really bad and it's terrible for content because it attacks my brain I get brain fog, right? And then if I have brain fog, how am I supposed to come up with the next next viral idea I'm just not it's just I'm gonna make bad content what's the most views you've gotten on one video um on YouTube I made a video on how to break an apple in half with your bare hands yeah and it got 30 million views

how do you break yeah I mean how do you break it it's literally just the way you do it if as long as you're you're so the top of the Apple is in your palm in the palm of your hands and your fingers on the bottom you do it if as long as you're you're so the top of the apples in your pump in the palm of Your hands and your fingers on the bottom you don't use your fingernails You just squeeze it as hard as you can and then you use just the friction of your palms to pull it apart and it will Pull apart if you have to try this later. Yeah, we'll have to try it Does it have to be like an older Apple like more soft? No, no, no You want a crispier? Oh Chris my honey crisp is like a really crisp type of Apple if you can get a honey crisp Apple

They're the easiest to crack. It sounds hard, but I'm down to try it. I wanna try it, it'd be fun. I like those videos where they put things in the hydraulic press and see how much they can take it. That kind of reminds me of your squish in the... So is there a stretch or a thing that you wanna get to that you haven't done yet?

So my back bend is not that great. Remember, I'm not flexible. What is it? What is a backbend? So a backbend is when, um, like let's say you were laying on the, on your, on your back, on the floor, your hands are right here and you just push your pelvis into the air and you're in an arch, but you're backwards. That's a backbend. Okay. My backbend, I can do a backbend. I could even without starting on the floor, I can kind of fall into a backbend, but my backbend is not that great. And that's because when I was working at Fed floor, I can kind of fall into a backbend. But my backbend is not that great. And that's because when I was working at FedEx,

I actually injured my lower back really, really bad. Yeah, and that took probably six months to recover from before I could even start working on my backbend again. Holy crap. Did they give you a bag at least? Like that's six months off. I earned a bag, but I never told them about the injury. I probably should have, just never did. Because I, man, my wife was pregnant at the time. I needed needed this money i did not want to risk getting taken off or anything like that

so i was just you know head to the grindstone that's just who i was that's what i did don't recommend that but that's what i did was it on a heavy package you just screwed up your back yeah so um there's there's these several belts. There's like really light packages, and then there's this huge belt. It's called NCs. They're non-conveyerable. That's what it is because they're these big packages. And there's this giant couch coming down. You're supposed to team lift, so you get two people.

But I was like, I'll just do it myself. And I was already like six hours into a shift, so I was tired. And I pulled back, arched my back and twisted without bracing my core at all and then pop my back went out and i tried i toughed it out to the rest of the shift but after that it was it was all downhill it was really then throwing your back i mean if you've never had back problems you don't understand like throwing your back out you're done it's so bad isn't ben simmons struggling with that yeah and like you can't even get up out of bed like you literally go to do a sit-up to get out of bed.

I mean I've been there before. I throw my back out. So back is probably one of the worst body parts to injure. I would say the back and the neck. If we're not going to count like knees and shit. Yeah. Yeah. The back is probably – I would say it's the worst one because it affects everything.

Anything with the spine. Like you were saying. Yeah, exactly. Anything to do with the spine. Anything you were saying. Yeah, exactly. Anything to do with the spine. Cause you tweak your back. Any movement you do in life involves your spine. Even sitting at a desk, you're like immobilized, but you move your shoulder. You twisted your spine a little bit. Oh, that's pain. Oh, so you couldn't even sit. It was difficult to do pretty much anything. Yeah. Jeez. Yeah. That's gotta be the worst time. Cause even sleeping probably hurts at that point. Yep Yeah, but people that are listening it's taught you can recover from it

It just you need somebody either good to help you with it, or you just need to just start moving That's the very first step while we have them on the hook Let's remind them where to find you to so that they can get some help with it. Yeah, I Look up movement by David. You can find me anywhere. I have videos on back pain No long-form videos on it yet, but in the future very shortly. I will I saw one of your videos was talking about the core Yes, you're able to get like a really strong core. Yeah, but you have a unique take on it You didn't you weren't doing crunches, right? Yeah, so there's two main exercises I do for core It's it's called compression and then any type of planking that I do and then I obviously work on my core through almost everything

I do but those are the two main exercise types that I do If you're familiar with an L sit It's when you're pushing yourself off of the ground and you're elevating your legs with locked out knees and your feet are off of the ground So you're you're basically sitting and you're lifting up just like yeah So it's it's really really hard to do because you have a long lever. Your legs are way out there. It's pulling you forward. But you have to flex your core in a very, very short position.

Oh. So it's easier to use your core in a long position. But when it's already shortened, your muscle – it's like your bicep. If you're right here, you can't really flex it any further. Because it's already – it's called – it's like reciprocal inhibition, I believe it's what it's called it's when your muscle is very very very short so I train it in that really really short position so I can get better at that and then the other one is just plank variations um there's the like the plank on your elbows you can go up on your hands and then if you really wanted to

make it even harder you can move your hands further away from you with a perfectly flat body you can look up Bruce Lee plank and you'll find that I'm not surprised. I taught him everything, you know Can you do a one finger push-up? I cannot do it well I maybe two fingers like thumb and this finger. Yeah, probably do no one thing. I still impressed that's in Crestwood. Yeah, that's crazy Yeah, I've never tried it. I could do a clap push-up, but I feel like those are easy so do you feel like anything that you'll ever do will have some sort of like – forgive me for asking like an Evel Knievel question, but like some sort of death-defying like where if you don't pull the stretch off, you're going to fall off the building. Or if you don't pull the stretch off, you're not going to be able to escape the hatch and you're going to drown or something like – it's hard to be a little bit morbid, but you know.

I don't think I'll be exploring anything like that. Okay. But I do plan on taking flexibility to a pretty crazy level. But simultaneously, I want to bring up my lifts as well. You look at me. I'm a skinny guy. I'm not a bodybuilder. I'm not a powerlifter.

But I feel like bringing up my lifts would bring a little bit more credibility to me as a person in the fitness industry. And if I do that while bringing up my flexibility even further than it already is yeah it's just it's an anomaly it's not out there yeah at least not with the content creation skills to boot yeah when I was growing up it was kind of weird to be flexible like you got made fun of as a guy is it still like that yeah people think I'm gay yeah but I'm married I have a kid I'm gay. To put it bluntly. But I'm married. I have a kid. I'm as straight as they come. But yeah, it comes across as very vulnerable.

Like if you're trying to touch your toes with locked out knees, your butt is out there for everyone to see. And it also doesn't help that a lot of the times in these videos, I wear some pretty short shorts. Probably should like change my wardrobe a little bit. Well, and anybody who thinks that flexibility makes you gay probably isn't watching a whole lot of sports. Because I mean, guys we just we had two nba players in here today both of which gave two about how strong you were or how much you bulked up but they cared about what like your body you know stability your flexibility what you're capable

of everything like that yeah it's a shame that yeah i got bullied for like even stretching it's super weird yeah i feel like the the mentality nowadays is a little bit different it's a shame that, yeah, I got bullied for like even stretching. It's super weird. Yeah, I feel like the mentality nowadays is a little bit different. It's a little bit further away from all like the bullying around it. But there's still a lot of work to be done. I'm glad you're on the forefront of it because someone had to take the heat, I guess. Yeah, there's no flexibility person in my shoes right now at least content creation wise there's another creator out there Anna McNulty she has a YouTube channel but it's very very girly very very girly right so it's not something that like if

I were to get into flexibility and I hadn't been where I am I there's no way I would ever watch a video of hers but she gets views but you know is your audience all girls no surprisingly it's 50-50 okay really on all platforms it is 50% men 50% women Wow that's more than I thought I would have guess I would have guessed differently but yeah so do you think that if some of the stuff you're doing does it fit all for men and women or do you think that some of the stretches you're doing are more forward like guys I am a guy so I speak for guys but everything I do is also applicable to women so I I would say it's definitely

applicable to both anybody can reach what what I've done at least with my body either male or female the only difference that I would say like in something like a backbend it might be a little bit harder for a guy just because we have a higher center of gravity on average than women do. So the skills might look a little different between men and women, but at the end of the day, it's saying anybody can do it. Other than the back injury, have you had any other crazy injuries? Well, I jumped off a light pole not that long ago, and I smashed my foot into the floor. And the bottom of my foot is actually so

I can even show you it sounds like something you wait yeah I just asked about that the fine stuff it's still take the dog oh my god yeah it's really bad what was this this was two weeks ago wait a minute I just asked you if you're doing evil Knievel no I do it on the regular. And then followed it up with I jumped off a light pole? Yeah. Okay. I guess that I – We need some context for why did you jump off a light pole?

Well, this is a great story. I wanted to teach people how to land properly without getting hurt. How did that go? It went very well but with a different video title so yeah it's uh yeah it's i think i tore a bit of my plantar fascia it's going to take a while to recover from but i can walk on it now okay um and that's due to me not following all the advice out there and just rehabilitating what advice are you talking about um the main advice out there is RICE, Rest, Ice, Compress, Elevate. That was created by a guy. I believe his last name is Merkin in like 1978.

But in 2014, he actually recanted that advice. And the reason why. Really? Wow. Yeah. So the reason why is everything in that, REST, it's so that you don't do anything with your foot if you hurt it. ICE, it's to get rid of the inflammation and the pain. COMPRESS, it's to squeeze the inflammation out of the area. And out of the area and elevate it so that your blood doesn't pump to that area

All of which does the opposite of help you heal? The exact opposite lied to yeah, cuz I have a bad knee and I was told rice my entire life Ignore that information comes too late So what I did for my foot is I got off of it completely, let it do its thing for a couple of days, but then I started testing it. I started moving my toes. I started moving my ankle, moving my foot, and then I started limping on it a little bit, but then I would go back to the crutches, limp on it a little bit. Basically walk it off. Yeah. Walk it off. Walk it off. Yeah. Rub some dirt in it. Exactly. Yeah. So right now what I'm experimenting with is I'm just standing on the

ball of my foot and balancing now. That's my rehab right now. So isometrics is what i'm experimenting with is i'm just standing on the ball of my foot and balancing now that's my rehab right now so isometrics is what i'm doing because if there's a tear in there i don't want to make it worse so jumping is going to be the worst thing for it because that could cause further tearing isometrics is going to tell my body to heal it wow slow movement will tell my body to heal it and get blood flow there so you're not even going to get an x-ray you're just going to self-heal i well i got an x-ray They couldn't find any broken bones Okay, but I think it's soft tissue damage because I think it's my plantar fascia or a muscle in there somewhere Yeah, but I am getting a CT scan up here real soon. Just adjusted. I was gonna ask about it How high up was the light pole like it wasn't like a street lamp like those really tall picture so it wasn't 25 feet up

there like if those 25 or 30 however far that was like halfway down so it's like a 15 foot light pole and about a story yeah about a little yeah a little bit higher than a story i'd say okay and i jumped off that landed right on my heel and yeah and then i because i i was so focused on the camera angle and my lines you know as a content creator yeah i jumped off I, cause I was so focused on the camera angle and my lines, you know, as a content creator, I jumped off and halfway down I was like, wait, I gotta roll now because that's what I'm supposed to do. But I was already going with a little bit

of backward momentum. So I smack and I rolled backwards. Yeah, so the rest, I just pretended like I limped home and then yeah. So how were you supposed to land? You're supposed to land and then roll front? Yeah, so you're supposed to, if you're gonna fall from a to learn you're supposed to land and then roll front Yeah, so you're supposed to if you're gonna fall from a height You're supposed to go with a little bit of forward momentum land preferably on the balls of your feet

So on the heel not on the heel on the very phone on the balls of your foot is like right behind your toes That area the pad right there. That's the balls of your phone You're landing there and you're gonna bend your knees immediately So you're dissipating as much that downward force as possible But since you already have a bit of forward momentum You're just gonna immediately enter into a roll over your shoulder across your body to the opposite hip Interesting, so you're just gonna turn your downward momentum into forward momentum. We've got roof access. I'll go try it. I'm not with you Wow I'm not with you Wow but yeah so you're basically turning downward momentum into

forward momentum and that you're way less likely to injure yourself if you're going that way against the floor then straight down what's been your worst injury worst injury haven't broken a bone maybe an ankle sprain okay I was out for a while I landed on the way down sideways from a dog so like it was outdoors too so that yeah I was like a month but no broken bones or ligaments that's good yeah yeah I played basketball all through high school and I ankle injuries were the worst all day I used to get them all the time actually knock on wood I haven't sprained my ankle in like a year now yeah and I

think that's due to just strength and I do the vibration machine now oh good so your ankles are nice and strong pretty strong Yeah The next best thing after that is also getting a flatter shoe because when you're when your heel is elevated Your foot is much less stable and you can actually fall side to side So these shoes that I have right here are literally just made of nothing. Yeah, I just got flat ones with individual toes Have you I have that yeah, I brim five fingers. Oh my god. I I wear I'm about 50% I haven't worn them yet I'm afraid of getting judged but oh, yeah, you'll get to you will get judge. They are amazing that yeah the vibram five fingers oh my god i i wear them about 50 i haven't worn them yet i'm

afraid of getting judged but oh yeah you'll get me to you will get judged they are amazing and you just go like wearing for a walk or something yeah i might wear them on walks because i have high so i'm actually jealous i have super high arches like super high arches so i mine are pretty high too i can't wear flat sole shoes at all i mean if i wear like jordan ones i have to put an insert in my feet yeah yeah it takes i because i have pretty high arches too it took when i first started i'm actually lucky because i actually stumbled into the barefoot style shoe game um because i was really into parkour in high school and i got like this flat shoe because it was called the ninja zero for advanced parkour athletes so i bought it it was from this company called olo and i was wearing that.

And then I was like, man, I need an even flatter shoe. And then I found these barefoot shoe companies, so I was eased into it a little bit. But from all the people that I've introduced into barefoot shoes, there's like a six month period of adjusting, so prepare for your feet to be very, very sore for the first month or two. And if you start running in them, oh, it's gonna even compound, it's gonna be very very sore for the first month or two and if you start running in them

oh it's gonna even compound it's gonna be very very really yeah your whole walking pattern will change and it's for the better in the long run but in the short term it is sore it is painful wow it's an adaptation period for sure apparently shoes are like not designed for your feet to grow naturally no yeah they're they're they squish your toes together so that's why we have problems like bunions and all this other stuff and there's also like so you're there's there's this vein that comes through all the way into your foot and when your toes are really really squished together that vein kind of gets cut off a little bit so you don't get optimal blood flow to your foot so it takes longer to heal from ankle sprains and foot injuries.

And I think that's also why I've been able to almost like I can walk, I can jog now. And I think that's literally just because I, I, uh, I have a flatter shoe. That's what I would attribute it to. Yeah. So the solution is a flatter, the overall solution to the design of shoes being not made for our feet is a flatter shoe. The flatter you can go. Flatter shoe, wider toe box. Those two things would solve most issues out there. Nike, if you're listening, give us a royalty on that. And some shoes.

And some shoes. That would be great. David, where can people find you, man? You can find me anywhere, any platform out there. You just look up Movement by David or my tagline is Stay flexi Google does its thing and it finds me so stay flexi Love it man. You got a trademark thought I should yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, thanks for coming on man. Yeah I appreciate you guys having me. Absolutely. Thanks for watching guys. Stay flexible. I'll see you next time