Digital Social Hour - Did We Land on the Moon, Are Aliens Real and Making over $100M | David Shinkel DSH #346

Episode Date: March 11, 2024

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You know travel like between multi multi universes Wow And I know for a fact that that really resonates with me because when I was younger in my early 20s I That was the only one time in my life that I've actually seen a UFO and I don't know if you've seen any UFOs I haven't I thought I did but it was Starlink and I looked really dumb posting that on my Instagram. Wherever you guys are watching this show, I would truly appreciate it if you follow or subscribe. It helps a lot with the algorithm. It helps us get bigger and better guests, and it helps us grow the team. Truly means a lot. Thank you guys for supporting, and here's the episode. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to

the show. I got a fun guest for you guys today. We're going to talk health, we're going to talk conspiracy theories, and we're going to talk making money. We got David Schenkel here. How's it going, man? It's going great, Sean. Thanks for having me. Absolutely. Dude, so we've made a lot of money together. We're starting a new venture, which we'll get into later, but I want to start off with ERC because that's how we sort of started making money, right? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Could you explain how that worked and how we did nine figures, basically? Yeah, yeah. So, you know, last year, we brought this opportunity to you. And since then, it's grown massively. And we had some massive partnerships. And I mean, I think the main thing was really helping out businesses. You know, I've always. I've been doing sales for 12 years, and I've really been trying to find something where we can help businesses.

And especially with ERC, the fact that it's putting money back in these business owners' pockets, it's been really helpful. But yeah, no, we just grew. We've brought in some really big partnerships, brought in a lot of big people, and they've brought in a lot of leads. And we built a really robust team, and the follow-up systems were really on point. And I think timing has a lot to do with it too. Positioning and timing, I know when I brought ERC to you, I think a lot of people hadn't really heard about ERC yet. And then I think as you noticed as we kind of started getting into it, within like four weeks. Blew up. Yeah, it blew blew up and everybody's talking about it.

And so positioning was really key. And then also bottom line who we worked with, you know, that was really good to have a partner that's been doing this sort of niche tax recovery sort of stuff for 15 years. Yeah. Yeah. That helped out a lot. But also thanks to you and, you know, blasting this out to your network. It's really helped us grow a lot. But also thanks to you and blasting this out to your network. It's really helped us grow a lot. Yeah.

So I'd say choosing the right partner, timing, and networking were the biggest things. Right. Yeah. Choosing the right partner, timing, and having the right team. I'm more of a visionary person. And I really think that when it comes to building a team, you need to have, I think there's three major components. You have a visionary, someone that kind of knows the direction that it's going to go. You have a good tech guy that can, you know, build a really robust backend, and then you have to have someone that can do the operations. And so, um,

I'm much more of a visionary kind of person. I'm not really good with tech and operations. So we brought some really good people in and, um, honestly we would not have done over a hundred million submitted if it weren't for having a great team. So especially even with this, this new venture that we're getting into, um, that's the biggest takeaway. Um, even the first business that I started back in 2016, um, I kind of had this ego with it about not wanting to have bring in team members, right? Like, cause you see the money and you're in, you don't want to lower your margins, but you realize that you can go a lot further, a lot faster as a team. So yeah, that's. Yeah, it was an interesting experience for me because prior to ERC, I didn't really think affiliate marketing was a viable business. You hear a lot about affiliate marketing and how

the margins are low and you never really hear guys crushing it too hard with affiliate marketing. But when I got into ERC, it kind of shifted my perspective. And I feel like a lot of people in affiliate marketing, they just focus on the wrong products and offers. Absolutely. Yeah. And that's another thing. There's so many products and offers out there, and I'm sure you probably get brought a million offers a day. So it's hard to vet what is good and what isn't. But yeah, I think that's super key is having the right product, having the right kind of chassis to move forward. I mean, ERC was a no-brainer, right? You don't charge anybody up front.

It's all contingent afterwards. So I really like that model. Like I said, I've been doing sales for 12 years. I used to actually do door-to-door sales out here in Las Vegas, and that's a grind. So affiliate marketing is probably the cleanest, most seamless sort of sales, as long as it's built on a good

product. Absolutely. So now with ERC coming to an end soon, we're getting into health insurance. I'd love for you to talk about Champion Health and what the strategy there. Yeah, absolutely. So Champion Health is a section 125 product. What it does is it allows businesses to save about $600 per employee per year on their FICA taxes, as well as increasing their employees net pay. And there's no out of pocket cost for the employee. There's no out of pocket cost for the company. So it's very similar to ERC, right? We're helping businesses, you know, every business struggles with pretty much to shout out to rocket money. Have you guys ever had a subscription you forgot about or double paid on a subscription?

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That's rocketmoney.com slash DSH. Things, which is keeping employees well yeah keeping employees and keeping employees happy and then also trying to lower their bottom line so this allows the company to do exactly that save a bunch of money and also make their employees a lot happier and give them a bunch of benefits and is this a new offer because i know there's only 15 to 20 000 businesses that have it right now right um yeah so currently So currently on Champion Health, there's about 170,000 lives total. Yeah, about 15,000 businesses. And what's unique about Champion Health, so Section 125 has actually been around since 1978. But back in 2015, the Affordable Care Act made it where employees can engage in medical activities, preventative

medical activities, and they can receive a tax-free claim benefit. So Section 125 simply allows employees to take a pre-tax deduction, kind of like a 401k. And Section 125 has been around since 1978, but it's because of the change in 2015, now businesses or employees are able to receive this claim benefit. So they're basically taking a deduction, but then getting reimbursed that deduction by engaging in preventative medical care. So these employees are participating in an app once a month. And by them participating in that app, they're able to receive this tax-free claim benefit. Interesting. And pretty much everyone watching this

knows someone that owns a business with employees. What would the strategy be to refer someone to this? So you would just reach out to either myself or you. And all we have to do is set up a presentation. So you just have to get a time and a date commitment from a business. And we just need to get a time and a date commitment from a business. And we just need to 20 minutes to present them a champion health. This is a licensed health product. So it's not something like ERC where you can really do like mass marketing, but you can,

you know, bring your relationships. If you happen to know like a CEO, for example, that you're friends with and you're sitting with them at dinner, it's more for like the high level sort of relationships. Right. More if you have a network, not someone that like running ads or sending cold emails. Correct. Yeah. This is much more of a relationship sale rather than a numbers and volume game kind of like ERC was. Yeah. I know you also do some interesting stuff on the side. You went in on Bitcoin miners, right? Yeah. Yeah. I've been pretty involved in the Bitcoin mining recently. My buddy's got a facility out in North Carolina and North Carolina is, I believe right now it's like the third cheapest state in the entire country to be able to mine. So he's got some really good rates on mining or really good rates on energy. And that's, I mean, Bitcoin's, I've always believed in Bitcoin. I've been in crypto

since 2017. Yeah. Been through, you know, the first or my first bull run in the beginning of 2018. And then another bull run in 2021 with the whole NFT wave. But I think Bitcoin mining is a great place to park some capital. You know, you're actually especially with mining, you own the asset. So you own the miner that can potentially appreciate an asset itself too or go down but yeah the mining is mining is fascinating to me because i know people that have gotten wrecked and i know people that have made a ton off mining and i think it's all discipline 100 100 i mean i think uh i think it you have to have you have to hold you know You have to have your diamond hands. Yeah, you can't be emotional

because there's people down millions right now. But if they don't sell, Bitcoin might go back to what it was. Yeah, I mean, if you actually look at a year-to-date chart on Bitcoin right now, it's up over 100% year-to-date. So yeah, I think we started the year around 15, 16K in January. But there's people that bought miners when it was 50, 60K.

So they're down. But if they hold, they might when it was 50, 60K. So they're down. But if they hold, they might make it back. If they hold. And also if they've been DCA-ing during this bear run too. Do you think crypto is going to come back? I think so. I posted on my Twitter a few years ago that I think Bitcoin will eventually be 500K. Wow.

I'm definitely bullish on Bitcoin long term. I mean, from the halving at least, we have the halving next year and everybody talks about the halving, but to me it's basic economics, right? Supply and demand. So you cut the supply in half or you cut the ability, the rewards in half and it's going to drive demand. Also, we have a lot of the BlackRock and we've got all these ETFs being filed. So I think that's really positive for Bitcoin.

But I don't know when, but I do know for a fact that Bitcoin will be over 100K eventually. Dude, the more I study the dollar and the whole financial system, the less confident I get in it. Man, yeah. So back in 2016, my first business was trading, Forex trading. And you start to really learn about central banks and fractional reserve banking. And essentially, the way fractional banking works is our banking systems right now are so messed up that if someone goes and deposits like $1,000 into a Chase bank account right now, Chase is only legally required to hold 10% of that in their reserves. So they can go lend out 90%. So they give that, someone deposits $1,000, they keep 10% of the bank, they go lend out that 900 to somebody that needs a loan. That person with the loan pays whoever they're trying to pay the $900. That

person that received the $900 puts that $900 in their bank account. Yeah. And then the bank only has to keep 10% of that and then they can lend out whatever is left over so yeah it's it's a pretty messed up system if everybody tried to take their money out of the bank right now there it wouldn't there wouldn't be enough wow i wonder why that's allowed that's so weird like that doesn't even make sense i mean yeah you can go really deep down the rabbit hole i mean you you go back to the central banks you go back to you know the rothschilds and the people that actually control these entities. And you see that they are on, you know, they fund both sides of wars. They have their hands in pretty every major emerging market in the world.

And, yeah, it goes pretty deep. These guys have a lot of power. Yeah. We've had some fun talks on conspiracy theories. Oh, yeah. The thing I like about you is you'll change your opinion with new evidence. Right. A hundred percent.

Because like we were talking years ago, you had some different opinions, but you've changed them. Yeah. A hundred percent. I mean, a big one. I mean, the biggest thing we could talk a little bit about the whole the flat earth stuff. I definitely at one point was like wow it doesn't make any sense you know everything is flat you know and started to go down the rabbit hole with

that but i don't know the more the more you look into it i i don't i can't really say you know i mean until i you know uh pass away and learn find out yeah find out myself what what it is but uh it's yeah i think i think nasa and the whole space thing is kind of crazy i definitely know at least the moon we have not been on the moon 100 really i i guarantee we have not been on the moon it was i believe that it was you know the whole space race with russia and are you interested in coming on the digital social hour podcast as a guest we'll click the application link below in the description of this video. We are always looking for cool stories, cool entrepreneurs to talk to you about business

and life. Click the application link below. And here's the episode, guys. If you really look in the footage, if you look at actual footage of the moon landing, you just look at some of the materials used in the crafts and it's like almost like tinfoil and you're like how did this travel through space like that and it's like yeah it doesn't make any sense the one that made me laugh was apparently they called the white house from the moon yeah yeah that's yeah that that's another thing is they called they the landlines i mean

there's people think that stanley kubrick you know had is kind of behind it and kind of set up the whole the whole uh the whole show basically filmed it and um yeah when you really look at it you could see like lights in reflections of the set and yeah yeah there's yeah i wonder if they'll ever debunk it or prove it it did happen one day because as of now it's just he said she said yeah well you know they just recently did the disclosure of the aliens you know yeah yeah so that yeah the whole but that wasn't even like a set thing they just said ufos yeah yeah and you that's so crazy i don't know i don't know what to think about that because like what they show the public you almost think they have maybe a like a hidden agenda for sure And I think you have to do your own research for that.

So I've done some pretty extensive research on extraterrestrial life. And there's this guy, his name is Dr. Stephen Greer. Yeah. And he's actually created a foundation that looks into extraterrestrial life. And he also has a project called, uh, project disclosure where he interviews, um, former people that were in the military.

Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, like, and basically protects them and allows them to fully share all of their information. Wow.

And there's some pretty crazy stuff that he says, um, and, uh, that his his in when he interviews these so they're anonymous or no they're they're fully they have their name and so you could actually go and look them up yeah yeah and there's this guy um named richard dotty who talks about he was in the military and he talks about how when the whole roswell the new mexico situation with the aliens that there were actually a couple crafts that they found that weren't related to Roswell.

And they actually recovered an actual body. And this – there's different classifications of aliens. And this alien is like an Ibn, like what they – what you – and the Ibns are like the greys, like what you would consider like a typical alien that you see in like cartoons with the heads and the big eyes. Yeah. And so they actually recovered one heads and the big eyes. Yeah. And so they actually recovered one and the body was mangled and they recovered the crafts and they couldn't figure out how to work the crafts. And they actually recovered this device that was about the size of like a dictionary or like a small computer. And they found out that this device was kind of the control system for almost like the battery for the the uh

the ship and they found out that the the even actually they actually were able to communicate with this extraterrestrial that they recovered and they actually found out that the way they controlled these ships was by consciousness wow so dr ste Dr. Stephen Greer, he talks about, you know, there's the speed of sound and then there's the speed of light and then there's something called the speed of consciousness. And these extraterrestrials, they use basically essentially put their hands on and they're able to channel their consciousness to actually, you know, travel like between multi, multi universes. Wow.

And I know for a fact that that really resonates with me because when i was younger in my early 20s i that was the only one time in my life that i've actually seen a ufo and i don't know if you've you've seen any ufos i haven't i thought i did but it was starlink and i looked really dumb posting that on my Instagram. No, so I saw one and I was with two friends and essentially it looked like a shooting star, but it just stopped in the middle of the sky and then immediately changed directions. And actually Steven Greer

and some of the people that he's interviewed, they talk about this technology. And essentially it's, if we were to experience something like that, the like the G force from hitting it, like smash us, flatten us like a pancake. So it's definitely like some alternate universe sort of, uh, technology. Um, no, there's a hundred percent UFOs. Even my friend Nathan drove to Canada and he passed like area 51 or whatever. Is that what it's called or 15 uh yeah area 51 51 yeah i was because there's an area 15 here i get it mixed up but uh he passed area 51 and literally recorded ufos wow like it's crazy wow it's right there in broad broad daylight wow this this guy you should

really look into this guy steven greer because he does these meditations called ce5 meditations and basically he can channel like get aliens to come like while they're doing this meditation and he's acting there's multiple eyewitnesses multiple testimonies of um usually they'll come in like a triangle so like three three aliens and their spacecrafts will come and he yeah it's it's really wild if you if you look into it wow so there's basically multiple universes all using the same earth then yeah i mean that's that's something where i i don't i can't really speak a lot on it because i don't know but from what i've looked i've looked into i do think that aliens are very familiar that there's multiple species of aliens and there's multi multiple universes and that they can't they are very aware of us um my sort of thesis with all

of that is that these higher level creatures are much more conscious and so they you know people always ask you know are aliens going to destroy Are aliens going to take over the world? I don't think that would ever happen because these aliens are like so conscious. They kind of think it's funny that humans and that earth, we all like fight each other essentially and create our own issues. And it's so dumb if you actually think about it. So these guys like think it's really dumb and I think they genuinely have like world peace like, they're just so conscious that they don't have to fight because they're, you know, they're on another level. They're on another level. Yeah. I know you're pretty spiritual too. You've taken some psychedelics. You got any crazy psychedelic stories? Yeah. I don't do psychedelics

as much as I used to, you know, I do a little bit of microdosing now and then, but when I was younger, my early 20s, definitely did a lot of experimenting with psychedelics, a lot of mushrooms, a lot of acid. And the craziest trip I've ever had is I took, yeah, the craziest trip I ever had, I took 10 grams of mushrooms, five hits of acid, and two and a half mollies. They're called root beers, like some sort of MDMA, something crazy. All at the same time? All at the same time, yeah.

Me and my best friend at the time, I actually had 20 grams of mushrooms, 10 hits of acid, and five hits of these root beers. And I asked him, we had actually just finished doing a little light shroom trip at his apartment that night. And we were kind of coming down and I just looked at him and I said, hey, do you want to go up to the top of Mount Lemon, which where I'm from? It's this mountain you can drive to in 45 minutes and just take all of the psychedelics that I have. And he was like, yeah, I'm down. So it's it was like sunrise and we drive to the top of this mountain and we're sitting in my car.

We literally just took it all right there all at one time. And yeah, it was a magical experience. We walked out. I think the first thing that happened was as soon as we got out of my car, there was a guy standing in front of our car. But he was dressed in like robes almost kind of like a shaman almost. And he was like wishing us a good almost kind of like a shaman almost and he was like wishing us a good trip it was very very weird i didn't know if like it was setting in because the acid kind of can set in pretty quickly um wait was he real or no we don't know we don't know but

but what i do know what when it started getting trippy we started walking down the trail and then all of a sudden we see this this girl and this up on the trail waving to us and basically waving and giving us the motion to come over to them. And so we go over to them. It's this guy. It's this girl. I can never remember the guy's name, but the girl's name, I'll never forget. Her name was Georgia because it's a very unique name. And essentially they were dressed as like backpackers

and kind of like hippies. And they had a tent set up and they were cooking up breakfast in their little stove. And funny enough, what they were cooking, they had the little stove and they were cooking, I kid you not, an actual like mushroom cap, like not like a psychedelic mushroom,

but like a portobello mushroom in butter. And so that was kind of like the cue that I knew that we were like tripping, the mushrooms are talking to us and that none of this was real. And so we start, me and my friends start to, are, you know, the, the effects of this, the psychedelics start really hitting us. And we're, we obviously tell these people like what we just took because you can't really be around other people. He was he was seeing this too? Yeah. Yeah. My friend was with me. We were both experiencing and talking to these people. And yeah, we went through everything that you can imagine.

And we had, I had a whole ego death. He had a whole ego death. I mean, we were crying with them and like hugging them. And at one point, like I genuinely was tripping so hard that I thought that the guy was God and that the girl Georgia was like Mary. And I was, I was like just having like these really heart to heart conversations with them. And I was definitely at a troubled point in my life, you know, trying to kind of figure out what I wanted to do with my life and what direction I wanted to go. And, um, yeah, that honestly, uh, I definitely

have flashbacks to that specific trip at least once a month. Wow. Yeah. That's insane. It's very profound. That psychedelics absolutely shifted my entire consciousness and the way I think. Damn. Absolutely.

For the better? For the better. Yeah. I will say I don't recommend people going as deep as I went because there were – at that time, I did think the way my mindset had shifted, it was a little too intense. And I kind of like was wanting to be reset, you know, like wish I hadn't done any of that. But that subsided after a couple of months and then you kind of have the long-term effects of just how it opens up your third eye and your consciousness. And it's like the saying when what's when you see it it can't be unseen sort of thing so interesting now what does an

ego death feel like i've never experienced that um i thought that i had genuinely been reborn like i genuinely had this moment where i like zoomed out on top of myself and I could see this little campsite that we were in. And I felt that I had been reborn into the world. And I thought that the world money didn't exist. And I was literally like walking back to my car and I'm like, I'm going to go start traveling the world. And I'm getting goosebumps saying this because I was 20 years old at the time. This was before I ever traveled the world. And then a year later, I moved to Australia, lived there for six months, went to China, went to Thailand, lived in Thailand for a few months. And I built a lot of relationships and that opened up my whole perspective to the whole

world. And that's another thing is in the US, a lot of people in the US have really never been outside the US. Like my parents, they've never been outside America. I don't think they've ever even been to Mexico or U.S. Yeah. You know, like my parents, they've never been outside America. I don't think they've ever even been to Mexico or Canada. Yeah, and they have no desire to either, which, you know, I respect everybody and their, you know, what they want.

But this world is so big. And it's, I think it's kind of crazy when people just live in their world and get all of their information from, you know, the news or watching TV. I think it's very big that people go out and experience the world for themselves. Absolutely. Dude. Traveling changed my life for sure. Cause you, you don't know what's out there until you go. What's been your favorite place

that you've traveled to? Oh, that's a good, I really like New Zealand, bro. New Zealand. I've been to New Zealand too. That's a sleeper. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Did you go to the Auckland? Auckland, bro. The seafood there. Oh my gosh. Yeah, yeah. Did you go to the Needle, the space tower? Yeah, I did all that stuff, bro. The nature, the people. It was just a great place. Did you get a chance to go to Hobbiton? I don't think so.

Okay, that's where they filmed The Hobbit. Oh, really? And you can actually go to where The Hobbit holes and where they actually filmed it and they do a little tour and everything. And I'll also say Thailand too, it was pretty sick. Thailand, hands down down is my favorite place and specifically anybody listening to this should go visit kosamui kosamui is the most slept

on hidden gem everybody goes to like kopanyang or phuket or pp islands and uh yeah absolutely kosamui and chiang mai the northern part If you really want to get like that temple city vibes of Thailand, Chiang Mai is amazing. But if you want that more tropical, like beachy, super clean, clear waters, everything's great, great energy, pure bliss. Like how I would define like bliss and ecstasy is living on this island, honestly. I love that. Yeah, I only did Bangkok. I want to check those out. But, dude, I was spending 10, 20 bucks a week on amazing food.

Yeah, Bangkok is huge. Bangkok's huge. The traffic there is crazy, but the food, yeah, you can live like a King out there. Dude, a dollar a day and you're eating like a King. It gets you so far. It's nuts. But yeah, I travel, I try to leave the country at least twice a year and I try to leave the state like five, 10 times a year. Nice. It's just a game changer, dude. Cause you meet great people, you get new perspectives, you come back re reinvigorated. A hundred percent for me too. The way my body is, I get the way my personality is as a person. I get very complacent when I'm in one place for too long. So like coming out here and seeing you, it creates a lot of momentum and, you know, traveling around, visiting people. I love like being on the move. I really thrive in a chaotic

environment. I have a, you know, ADHD and people, people always think I take caffeine. I have never, I don't take any caffeine, no coffee whatsoever. I'm just naturally wired. So dude, it's crazy growing up how much they shamed people for having ADHD, but now all my successful friends have it. And it's like a power, man. It's crazy. I grew up with, yeah, I got diagnosed and you're almost, it's almost seen as a bad thing almost. My sister, she was also diagnosed with ADD and we were both on meds, you know, for a while. And when I was in high school, I actually didn't like taking the medicine. And so I would, my parents would give me the pill and I would pretend to take it. And then I'd like hide it under my bed or in my room. And one time my parents were cleaning my room and they found like hundreds of pills and they were pissed,

but I was really happy that they actually ended up giving me the choice. They were like, well, if you're not, you're going to take them, like, we're not going to waste money on these pills. So you can just go off the meds. And so I got off the meds and I don't, you know, I don't, I think, yeah, the guy that created, I don't know if it don't i think yeah the guy that created i don't know if it's adhd or add but i've heard that on his deathbed he talked about maybe not his deathbed but some some part of his later stage in his life he talked about how add and adhd whichever one it is that isn't isn't like basically real like he says yeah he like he made it up essentially yeah wow that it's not as bad as it you know obviously it's something different you can definitely have

attention deficit disorder but it's you don't need necessarily medicine there's other holistic ways and a lot of these things are like psychosomatic diseases that you can get fixed i mean meditation is the biggest thing for sure no nobody really goes introspective. Um, I don't know if I've told you, but I think I have, but in 2021, right before, all right, I'm sorry, 2020, right before it, I did a 10 day silent meditation retreat. Oh, you told me. Yeah. And that was, that was absolutely life-changing. Um, uh, I had a friend that had been doing them for six years and he had been telling me to go. I never went.

I mean, that's an intense thing. 10 days, you don't talk, you turn in your phone. So you're really like living monk mode for 10 days. But that really changed my perspective on life. Um, right before I went to that, I had just bought a car and I was really torn over the car cause I didn't get the car that I wanted. And I was so torn that I almost flew back because there was some stuff going on with the financing of the car. And my friend said,

you know, just forget about that. Just trust me. Just visit this or just do this with me. And I came out of that. All my material possessions, I used to really like designer and all sorts of create and just blow money on stupid stuff. Never since that meditation retreat have I ever blown stupid money like that. It really put things into perspective about what's important in life. Yeah. Yeah. Meditation is key.

Nobody really goes inside. So it's 10 days. You're in a community and you can't talk to anyone, right? Yeah. So it's actually what's crazy is it's free. It's called Vipassana, and the website is dhamma.org, and you can go on there, and they have centers all over the world. So I went to the one in Onalaska, Washington.

So you fly into SeaTac, and it's maybe an hour, two hours out of SeaTac, and that's the one we went to, but they have ones in Joshua Tree. They have them in Thailand. I was actually going to go to one in Thailand last year when I was going to go, but they have them all over and they're all free. So you sign up and they give you a window that you'd have to go and confirm your date. And yeah, you go and it's about 60. The one I went to was 60 guys, 60 girls, and they call it day zero when you get there. And you're allowed to obviously talk. They give you the rooms that you're going to stay in.

They assign you a roommate essentially, and then you talk with that roommate right there of like, are you going to do the – am I going to shower in the morning? You're going to shower in the morning, and you figure out the coordination because you're not going to be able to talk at all. So how do you do that? So we decided before like he would do, you know, the morning. Oh, so you could talk before. Before, right before. But then, yeah, you turn in your phones and then you walk into the meditation hall for

the first time and that's when they start the silence. Got it. You aren't even supposed to look at other people or even hold the door open for other people. You're literally supposed to pretend that it is just you and just completely you. And they have the guys and the girls separated. Damn. Were you freaking out? I was definitely freaking out the first couple of days as your brain has to, your mind has to slow down. So they don't actually even teach you the technique. This whole Vipassana is a technique.

It's not like you go and you just go for 10 days and then go back into the real world. You're going to learn the meditation technique and then you integrate that meditation technique into your life. Got it. And you're supposed to actually meditate, do Vipassana 60 minutes in the morning and 60 minutes at night. Damn. Yeah. And if you do that, they have an app, a Vipassana app. And if you do that for a full year, they

will allow you to do a 30 day sit. Whoa. 30 day. And then if you do, and they have more thresholds, if you are consistent on your practice, they'll let you do like a six month sit where you don't talk. That's too long, dude. I'm cool with like a week. Yeah. A week was even a week's a lot. Have you seen those darkness ones where you're in pitch black for five days yeah i want to try that i've seen that the the sensory i in we did the float tanks actually yes it's like that but like five days in like a dark cave or something that's that's wild i don't know if i could do that one yeah i don't know because you would definitely hallucinate absolutely when you're in the dark like that i mean even when you're in think about like when you're like in your bed that i mean even when you're in think about like when

you're like in your bed sometimes and your mind is racing you know like you'll just see like you'll just have sir sorry dude i'm glad you said that because i'd be seeing weird at night sometimes like faces that i'd never seen before like weird stuff yeah i thought that was just me no yeah i'll if my mind is running i i get this really creative boost at night, like around midnight. I just want to create. It's very, very weird. Um, yeah, but I'm also an early riser. It's very weird. I wake up at like six 32, the best of both, man. There's people that they've studied that they only need like four or five hours of sleep. Yeah. I got a buddy that, that does very well doing that. I'm big on the, you know, I'm big on the, the health biohacking, you biohacking, health is wealth sort of vibe.

And I do think eight hours, seven, eight hours of sleep is good for your body, good for your brain. It really resets. If you're going to do four or five hours, I think you should at least do once a week where you get a good reset. What's some biohacking that you do that you've had drastic results from? For me, it's been all diet. So I eat all organic. All of the meat I eat is grass fed, grass finished. A lot of the dairy that I consume, as long as I can find, if I can't get raw, then I'll drink like A2. Whole Foods has A2 milk. Is that raw? It's as close as you can get to raw. It's pretty much raw. So why is raw so

much better than just... Because it's unpasteurized. So there's this stigma back in the day. So what happened was people were getting sick off of raw milk because they weren't taking care of the milk and it just wasn't... Basically, it's all about money at the end of the day. So they realized that if they pasteurize milk, it can last longer and it's just all about about money at the end of the day. So they realize that if they pasteurize milk, it can last longer. And it's just all about the money at the end of the day. So as long as you get it fresh from a local guy that's clean. Yeah, yeah. Lots of like Amish farms are really good. And they'll literally tell you like on the bottle that you get, they'll have the name of like the cow that it got milked from.

That's dope. I'll try it. I see people doing it. I don't know where to buy it. Isn't it like illegal in some states? Yeah, so you have to buy it as a lot. It's sold as pet food, essentially. So sometimes you have to actually go to pet stores to get it. Wow, that's so weird. Yeah, it is.

But I would recommend online places. Okay, I'll try it out. Anything with like peptides or seed oils? I personally haven't started the peptides. I have a couple of friends. I just turned 30 this year. I got a bad shoulder. So I am thinking about looking into peptides and the exosomes. My buddy was telling me about the exosomes and how it can be really beneficial for cancer patients because are you familiar with exosomes? I've of it but i'm not like i don't know what they do or anything so exosomes they can't you can basically program this the cells to like the medicine to go

to certain cells wow so like with cancer when they do chemo you know chemo is attacking the bad cells and the good cells so they can use exosomes that can only target the cancer cells wow that's revolutionary for all disease absolutely is that like a live thing or is it in it's it's kind of like peptides you know it's it's uh kind of a gray area market yeah i saw cali banned peptides yeah yeah i know everybody's going to like puerto rico or i know I know Columbia is really big. Joe Rogan's talked about. Yeah, Mexico.

Yeah, for stem cells too. But with the seed oil stuff, which seed oils are you avoiding? That's a great question. I avoid all the major oils that you see. So canola oil, safflower oil, sunflower oil. Any, basically if it is not avocado oil or coconut oil or extra virgin olive oil, I won't use it. Wow. That's pretty much every restaurant.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When I go to restaurants and if you remember when we were in Denver, remember we went to breakfast? Yeah. And we asked them if they had oil. Cook it in butter, I think. Cook it in butter instead. Yeah, so that's a big alternative. And even the guy said, people have been asking this a lot lately. So I think people are doing that.

Yeah, the wave, the seed oil wave. I mean, it's all because of the glyphosate you know so they they spray these crops with with roundup glyphosate and it's uh you know essentially rat poison or it's it's it's rodent killer and it's it's it's a carcinogen yeah it's a carcinogen and it permeates into these seeds and then they make all these oils out of it and it gets inside of your your stomach and it destroys your gut yeah and uh yeah dude i'm at the point now when i do eat seed oils, cause I gave them up too. When I go to like Chinatown and have a cheat day,

I feel it all day. Oh my gosh. Yeah. That and carbs too. I've been cutting out carbs a lot recently cause carbs really drain me. And less carbs, more the gluten. There's this really good book called Grain Brain.

And he gives this analogy in the book about when you eat gluten, it's like taking a finely, a fine watch and pouring pancake batter over it. And it's still trying to work. Like that's what it does to your brain. So it creates a lot of brain fog. And if you really look into gluten and bread, um, with the exception of a couple of breads, like sourdough isn't too bad if it's, uh, you know, it comes from but a lot of bread has absolutely no nutritional value whatsoever it's just a filler yeah wow so you're just eating it for yeah you're just it's just a filler just because it tastes you know sandwiches um yeah like pizzas yeah all that i used to love pizzas

yeah i still like pizza i'll'll dabble once in a while in a pizza, but never like Pizza Hut or Domino's or anything. You'd have to be like a nice Italian pizza. Yeah, I grew up on Domino's, but no, never again.

Those were the days, though. Those two for 20s or whatever. Oh, yeah. The stuffed crust. Yeah. Oh, man. David, it's been fun. Anything you want to close off with?

No. I appreciate you having me on. I think I'm good. Awesome. Thanks for watching guys as always and i'll see you tomorrow