Digital Social Hour - Enclave & Key, Playing in the NFL, & Toughest Players to Tackle | Hayes Pullard DSH #299

Episode Date: January 21, 2024

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When I first got to that hill, I'm drafted to the Cleveland Browns. Coach going to give us signals? He didn't tell us in meetings like any signals, like what's the play. All of a sudden, I hear something in my helmet. Oh, snap, coach. You can talk in my helmet. Didn't hear me one thing get into practice call to play and literally busted a touchdown she come to the sideline he left

you know you can't talk in this right oh my gosh welcome back guys digital social hour i got a special guest for you guys today former nfl player hayes pollard how's it going everything good bro appreciate you having me here absolutely man it's exciting getting to interview athletes man you guys are different try to be try to be built different i mean cut from a different call uh thankful for moms thank you for the culture and everything that comes with it yeah so was football like your whole life basically growing up bro surprisingly i was a basketball player oh yeah it wasn't until my older brother saw that I was so much bigger than every single kid around me where he was like,

no, you're strapped on pads. You got to get out here. And, I mean, day one, day two, day three, I hated it. Hated putting on pads, hated running around, doing conditioning week, and then it was finally when I made that first hit against somebody and just literally splat it. I was like, oh, yep, I'm playing football. Like, this is 100% in.

Yeah. So were you the same position like the whole time? So I bounced around a little bit. It was offense alignment at first. Then it went to receiver because I had some hands. And then it was like, okay, like we got to just start handing you the ball off and just seeing what you can do. So then I went to running back. And as the size grew and grew more, they was like, no,

you're going to play running back and you're going to play linebacker. And then that's where I went from high school to college. And then as you, you know, go on to the NFL, you have to make a decision. Like you got to play one side or the other. Can't be both, yeah. So having played all those positions, what do you think the hardest position in football is? Oh, I would say corners.

I give corners so much more respect you know now that i see it in the nfl you're talking about guarding some of the best receivers in the world and they're able to do whatever they want i mean you're talking about a quarter or i guess a third of the grass is pretty much you versus another man you gotta stop them right from the best quarterbacks best receivers and you're going backwards while doing it. So that's where I'm like, bro, how is that even possible? Dude, I can't even imagine that. I mean, there's certain people I can't even guard in basketball. Tell me about it.

That's in like an enclosed area. So imagine a whole field. Bro, and with basketball, you actually have the ball. So you can only go as far as where the ball is, whereas in football, you're literally chasing somebody. Yeah, you can go wherever you want. You can cut one way, look back, spin around. I'm like, oh, my gosh.

This dude is elusive. I like that take, man, because most people say quarterback or running back or something. But corner, yeah, they need more respect. Absolutely. I mean, going backwards and trying to chase somebody running is different. Yeah. So how many years did you play in college? In college, I was a four-year starter.

I ended up redshirting my first year due to a torn meniscus that happened in high school that i did not know about until i got to college you didn't even feel it didn't even feel it like i mean you know like just normal pains that you get you know i mean in football like you're always in some type of low pain um but it wasn't until like college i'm running every single day two a daysa-days actually start beginning. I'm like, wow, like, it's starting to get a real tight pain in my head. Ended up getting it X-rayed and MRI'd. And it was like, nope, you tore something. You're going to have to sit out this season.

I was just like, wow. Damn, the whole season? The whole entire season. And granted, it was an eight-week recovery. But, I mean, as you're a freshman at USC, like like you got a bunch of five-star recruits a bunch of you know at the time it was malcolm smith who went on to win you know super bowl mvp who was a starter in front of me right i was like granted i want to compete against them but i'm like it's no shot yeah actually be on this field today yeah damn so what's it like fighting for like just

roster spots are you like anxious oh my gosh i mean when you it's way different from when you look at it in college and then when you look at it in college and then when you get to the NFL. College is much more of best player plays. Like obviously you got to work better than a sophomore. You got to work better than a junior, than a senior. Then eventually you can, you know, go out there. For me, it was like I had to outdo the sophomore in spring ball.

I had to outdo the junior in fall camp. And then throughout the season season i had to work better than the senior to actually earn a starting spot as a freshman wow when i got to the nfl like that's where a little bit more politics kicks in where you can be the best player but for example if you only pay me 300 000 but you just paid a linebacker 10 million dollars he's gonna be out there they just invested into that lamborghini they're going to use that lamborghini until the wheels fall off even though i may be better i'm just waiting for i guess i hate to say it an injury to happen yeah which you never want you know a fellow brother to actually get hurt out there so you're just waiting for the opportunity that you can go out there and showcase your talents dude that makes

a lot of sense because there's backup quarterbacks that come in when the main one gets injured and they're sometimes better absolutely and i'm, why wouldn't they play them earlier? True, true, true statement. I mean, I think the best example I had when I was playing was watching Jimmy G sit behind Tom Brady all those years. Right. And when I was in Jacksonville, we used to go up to New England and practice against them.

And we would practice against Tom Brady all week, and then we got to the game. It was preseason one, and they was like, Tom Brady's not playing this week. I'm like, who's playing? Oh, Jimmy G. I'm like, he's the backup week and then we got to the game it was pre-season one and they was like tom brady's not playing this week i'm like who's playing oh jimmy g i'm like he's the backup like i got this like no four quarters he played the entire game probably through for like 500 yards three touchdowns i'm like wow and are you going all out in these games i'm going all out i mean i wasn't a starter so i'm sure you gotta prove yourself yeah i gotta still prove myself because i didn't get paid 10 million dollars i'm still a rookie right i'm trying to get to that second contract so like

let's go like you're gonna put somebody out here i'm trying to pick them up no be through four touchdowns 500 yards and then i think a year later was when he signed with the 49ers and shoot they went to the super bowl that year right the super bowl yeah these quarterbacks is out there and i think that's that's pretty much all across the board at every single position like you got those hidden gems on every single team that's crazy it must be tough on those people mentally because they know they're better but they're not playing absolutely i think a lot of individuals or even the youth that's coming up i tell everybody like it's not so much the talent it's the mental that you gotta overcome because somebody can tell you you're so great but we've

paid this individual x amount of dollars. Like you have to wait your turn. Yeah. So like you have to go in there, practice better, get better, not get as many reps as the starter and still maintain your, you know,

mental that I'm an alpha. I've been a dog since, you know, yay high. Like I got to continue to practice that, uh, that dominance every single day. So it is more,

the game is more mental than it is physical truthfully wow and that's that's a statement right there because it's literally football yeah for real yeah man as a fan i want to see the best people out there so i'm just wondering if there's a way to even fix this i i've sat back i've thought about it and tried to figure out if it's a way and it it's so hard because you think about it if you bought a lamborghini and you spent let's just say a million dollars yeah you're gonna drive that lamborghini for sure no matter what but if you decide to hey i want an everyday car and i want to buy a honda civic you bought that homo civic and you want to go to the club are you gonna drive

the homo civic are you gonna drive nope you going to drive the lamborghini because that's game time to them that's your time to showcase the best players and if you invested that money you're going to you know get that return on that investment that's how i think as an overall business in the nfl that's how they're going to think so trying to fix that problem it's kind of hard on their point because i mean you got justin jefferson highest paid player joe burrow highest but like you gotta go play those guys it's not that they're terrible they're really good at what they do and they're you know super bowl contenders every single year but i i really do not know how to fix that problem besides taking the money out which you can't because i mean when

you get to the league it's it's entertainment at the end of the day. Walk me through that first contract process. As a rookie, do you have any negotiation power at all? Bro, so the crazy part is when I'm in college, like, everybody had negotiation power. Like, everybody from a free agent to, you know, a drafted rookie, second, third-year guys. But when I came in, the CBA had just changed where once you came in, you have no negotiation power. The year you came in? The year I came in.

I'm like, bro, you said it. It's like, nope, you could be drafted in the seventh round. You could be drafted the first pick overall. The only thing that changes the difference between me and that individual was our signing bonus. Wow. So the first pick overall got, let's just say, $20 million. And I went seventh round. I got $70, 000 in the signing bonus yeah but our contract is all the

same oh really 500 000 a year year two it goes up a little bit year three whoa yeah even if you're in the last round even if you're in the last round even if you went free agency and you made the 53 man roster you make the exact same amount yearly than that first number on all four. Damn, I didn't know that. The only thing different is that signing bonus, which is a big difference. Wow. So on a 53-man roster, most people are making the same amount, but the only difference is that signing bonus.

Absolutely. Interesting. And I've heard like crazy stats where most of the money goes to the quarterback and what was it, the wide receiver or something? When you're looking at these teams a lot of the the salary cap is to i would say the left tackles the defensive ends the corners and then they'd probably be the quarterback just from the standpoint like the most expensive person is that quarterback so you have to pay for somebody to go get the other

opponent's quarterback and to protect that quarterback and then you need to have a dominant corner in today's game because you have the cd lambs the jesse jeffersons the cooper cups you gotta slow them guys down the tyreek hills you don't got nobody like a jalen ramsey you know shutting them down or um um slay out there like it's gonna be a problem it's gonna be tough a long game which coaches don't want because you know a lot of these coaches are on short lists it's like you know two years of a bad season they're out of there they go through those coaches like crazy oh my god like i would not want to be a coach bro i mean i i've done it i i did it for a year and i i see the tension that it brings every single coach and yeah it's, right? Absolutely. You have to be on your A game every single day.

It's almost like a player. And I give them so much more respect. I give my teachers back in the day so much more respect on the planning that they have to do, the development side of growing a player to what they see themselves and how you see them, how they can continue to grow over the years, and even the the relationships they have to build and cut players that it's just so many things that people don't see behind closed

doors and i i give them so much more respect yeah so you've played on quite a few teams which ones were were your favorite uh by far it was the jacksville jaguars jaguars yes just good culture i mean the good culture was it was ran by gus Gus Bradley. He was a super amazing coach. You're talking about the definition of a player's coach. He really leaned into that. Day before the game, he would bring out six to seven food trucks where we would go out there and have things like bulldoggy over there. You'll have Korean barbecue. You'll have tacos. You'll have, you know, Korean barbecue.

You'll have tacos. You'll have funnel cakes. I'm like, bro, there's no way. Like, you're ordering from every ice cream. It's just like, what the heck? The day before a game? Two days before a game. So, you're talking about Fridays, like, as we cap the week of practices.

And right after that, he'll have us signed up for massages cold tubs wow cairo i'm like bro like you can't win with this the day and we would get two days off after a game mind you we went three and 13 at that time but you you don't see the growth until year three or year four you know as a lot of these teams that you see like you'll see a coach get fired and they end up making the playoffs right that's the same team is just they didn't give the coach that much time so the crazy part is we went 3 and 13 and then the next year we went to the afc championship lost tom brady but without gus rally end up getting fired and going to the chargers but it was like you've seen the growth in that team that he's built and put together over the years and then it started to you know actually show on the back end. Yeah. How much influence do the players have on the coaches firing?

I would say none. None? I mean, none. Oh, I always assume they put in a word or something. It's kind of hard because it's like the coaches call the plays. You already know it's our jobs to go out there and execute plays. Granted, if we don't win, we don't stay consistent at what we're supposed to do at the

end of the day it's between the gm and it's between the owners that make that final decision is it as a teacher as a mentor as a coach are you developing these players are you putting them in the best position to win are you handling how to grow the bottom end of your roster if your top roster is nice like can you you know reel in that bottom roster roster right or the bottom end of your roster. If your top roster is nice, like, can you, you know, reel in that bottom roster to the roster or the bottom side of the roster? Because if anybody gets hurt, can you do it? That's why the second string and third string is so valuable in NFL. Because you're talking about 22 starters, and after that, you've got to make sure that backup is really good.

That's why we always talk about, like, who's the backups of all these teams. It's like the scenario with Nick Chubb. We're like, wow, this was a crazy injury. Feel sorry for the kid, and I pray i pray for you know his speedy recovery but the backup came in the game and bawled out i don't know if you watched the game no i didn't see that one bawled out yeah i'm like came in second quarter and just bawled out 100 yards touchdown like was just yeah you got to be deep because there's so many injuries absolutely so like that's where it's like as a coach are you filling all those gaps like you're not just looking at like oh i'm just managing the team i hired an office coordinator harder defense coordinator i'm gonna let y'all do right like

that's where i respect robert sala who was my position coach in jacksonville yeah and now he's the head coach for the jets that he's really hands-on on both sides of the the ball and he wants to make sure that everything is in tune that's cool how strict are like like is there a curfew diet restrictions like how strict are they on that uh for certain individuals yes like if you're very underweight like it's your job to obviously gain some weight like right for example he's my bro keelan cole he was like probably soaking wet 160 pounds that's it when we was in jacksonville soaking wet we was like probably soaking wet 160 pounds. That's it? When we was in Jacksonville. Damn.

Soaking wet. We was like, bro, like you have to get that. That's less than me. Bro, if somebody, and mind you, he's like 6'2", 6'3". I'm like, if somebody hits you, you're going to vanish. It's going to be bad. So like he ended up getting with the nutritionist. And it's a little bit of accountability as well.

Like a lot of those players, like I want to gain weight. So they go to the nutritionist, figure out if if you got to eat two breakfasts in the morning uh a massive lunch like when am i supposed to eat or what are the best things i'm supposed to eat for dinner and then obviously you got these huge like massive o-linemen that are just you know six seven yeah 30 i'm like bro like this this is not even real so i didn't want to you know lose body fat like it's not so much of i want to lose weight it's like i'm trying to lose the bad stuff off my body so I can move better, you know, transition better and actually become a pro bowler. Like that may be, you know, that step from being good to great. Yeah. That makes sense. Who are some of the

players that stand out to you as like insanely hard to stop when you were playing? Oh my gosh. I think when I was playing marshawn lynch was definitely one of them and you ever have to tackle him oh my god you're talking about tackling a refrigerator moving refrigerator like everybody thinks i'm joking i'm like bro like i could just imagine like his mom's giving him a hug like bro it's literally stuck like this like you can't tackle that man like and if you try and go low he'll juke you out your shoes and if you try and like let him go by you he's gonna run by you so like he was one of those elusive uh power backs that it was just like you got to bring your lunch pail and your hard hat to tackle him wow that's

scary man yeah i can't imagine trying to talk to him because he was fast and strong which was like rare at the time exactly i mean i didn't have fear but it was just like when you had guys like that adrian peterson shady mccoy's like even andrew luck as a quarterback like those were like a problem to linebackers like us because we was like you were dropping in coverage you know looking at the zones like where's everybody yeah like okay tyreek hills right there like okay kelsey this is when the chiefs was balling. You got Kelsey right here. And then you had somebody where one week you were playing with Andrew Luck, and now he's tucking and running. But he's not sliding.

Where, you know, in today's game, like, oh, no, slide. Like, get down. Like, you know, preserve your body. Like, no, that quarterback was going to run through you, and I promise you he gave me one of the biggest fingers to tell this guy. And I was just like, oh, coach. Oh, man.

The scouting report definitely said he was going to slide and he did not oh so you went low yeah i went low just like oh i'm gonna just make sure because i'm anticipating that he's gonna slide with his feet and i'm gonna just you know this is luck yes yeah he used to slide all the time right oh my gosh i'm like oh i'm gonna just hover over him nope he just decided to tuck in and he just leaned into me i'm like oh it would happen on third and three like obviously we get in meetings like hey you're supposed to hit him he's a runner i'm like the scouting report you gave me coach said he was a slider yeah it's just all right like i'll take that one on the head yeah man he's one of those players where if he

didn't get those injuries or concussions he would have been hall of famer i think absolutely i mean and i was planning to get some every single year when i was at sc when he was at uh stanford right oh yeah oh so you knew about him i already knew about like literally walk up to the line like ready alert alert i'm like oh god like he's about this drop back and he's gonna take off say i go i'm backpedaling i see him just said, drop back, and he'll take off running. He'll just run it through. I'm like, this is just a Josh Allen in the early 2000s. This is a problem. Do you get to choose your jersey number in the NFL?

Yes and no. I think the individuals that are able to really choose their numbers, guys that get drafted in like the first three or four rounds, after that you're pretty much given a number okay once they make those cuts if a number is available they'll give you the opportunity that's when you can grab some numbers and can you pick any number uh like zero so remember that number change didn't happen to about three years ago so like linebackers had to wear like numbers 50 through 60 and then like 90 i remember this yeah receivers had to be

in the 80s right absolutely so now like players are able to walk in but i want number zero wow number six like granted i was in college and i was wearing number 10 i was like oh that'd be dope if a linebacker now linebackers just run around with zero number one i'm like oh this is awesome yeah i'm hyped for them that's dope is it it true the helmets have radios in them? Yes, bro. It is? Yes. Oh, I always thought that, but I never knew. Bro, I have actually a really funny story about that. So when I first got to the NFL, I'm drafted to the Cleveland Browns.

Like, first day, like literally first day. I throw my helmet on, and I run into the huddle. I'm like, is coach going to give us signals? He didn't tell us in meetings, like, any signals. Like, what's the play? All of a sudden, I hear something in my helmet. Hey, it's da-da-da-da-da-da. I'm like, oh, snap, coach.

Like, you can talk in my helmet. Mind you, it's a one-way radio, so he can only talk to me. I'm like, I'm having a full conversation. Yeah, coach, this is awesome. Like, oh, yeah, I'm about to catch a pick on this play. Didn't hear me one thing. Get into practice, call to play, and literally busted a touchdown. Like, I want to say it was – who was – Josh Gordon catches a slant to the house.

I'm just like, oh, my gosh. I look to him. I'm like, my bad, coach. Like, I'm pressing, like, a fake, like, button on my side. I'm like, oh, my bad, coach. Come to the sideline. He's like, you know you can't talk in this, right? I'm like, oh, my gosh. Like this right oh my gosh that's funny it's

helmets is definitely radios in the helmets and it's only active for about six seconds six seconds before the play oh so it's not on during the play no so like once the ball once the the referees blow the whistle you have six seconds to call the play or the for the coach to give you the play and then it cuts off got it and is it in every helmet or just the quarterback and like um each side of the ball gets one so it's typically the quarterback on offense and then the middle linebacker on defense got it and then they have to relay okay interesting what was it like guarding uh josh gordon in practice oh my god well the crazy part is i was in zone so like i could you know josh gordon was one of the top receivers yeah he was filthy man oh my gosh like he i was supposed to drop into pretty much the hook where that's the slant window and

josh gordon does a slant i've dropped to the opposite you know hook yeah he ended up catching it taking it 80 yards and coach like hey what are you doing like i literally told you what's going on oh that's my bad like he was like we drafted you for a reason go out there and act like that literally was the sign that you know i gotta prepare and play extremely hard every single day man i remember having him in fantasy dude he went off that year when i was in high school oh yeah and cleveland was like seven and oh at a point yeah they hit that slump they were balling that year dude yeah i was hyped to get drafted to cleveland and then i don't know the the cleveland curse yeah we just well the Cleveland curse happened.

Well, the marijuana thing happened, right? Yeah, I was just talking about over the whole organization. It was Josh Gordon that was dealing with the marijuana stuff. Jenny Menzel was dealing with a lot of exterior stuff. And, yeah, we just couldn't get out the slum. Our coach got fired. Oh, man. Yeah, this is a tough year.

You played with Menzel? Yeah. What was that like? It was amazing. I Yeah, this is a tough year. You played with Menzel? Yeah. What was that like? It was amazing. I mean, he was a tremendous individual. I mean, he was cool as heck when we were in the locker room. Yeah. Very supportive and active when we was on the field.

So I was like, you know what? This is just a different college kid just like myself, just went to a different university. Obviously, he was a quarterback, way more known. And I was like, bro, I'm not looking at you no different. I'm happy to be a part of your team. And he was the leader of the team. So I i was trying to make sure i was able to contribute as much as possible yeah i think his uh documentary just came out right yeah yeah i gotta watch that

did you watch it not yet i mean i've heard great comments about it and i was like you know what i gotta lock in yeah sure i want to dive into the post nfl stuff because now you're doing some cool business ventures um you joined Enclave and Key, right? Yes. Yeah. So the crazy part is back in 2017, Blake Wynn actually reached out to me and was like, hey, I want to sign you and hire you as our president of athlete marketing. I mean, at this time, I didn't know anything about marketing.

I didn't know anything about like the intricacies that come, you know, outside of business. I was strictly football for, let's just say, 22 years. So to be able to dive into that and give that was given that opportunity was truly a blessing. Yeah. What was that transition like just in general? Because your career ended shorter than you wanted, right? Were you sort of like depressed or like where were you at during that time? I wouldn't say depressed it was much more of like i can mentally like i said trying to still play in the league i

knew i had the speed i knew i had the physicality and i knew my mind was really strong to be able to still play so i stayed working out for an entire year went on maybe 15 to 20 tryouts with damn for a year i'm talking about fly to arizona try out for six hours come back yeah do they pay for the flights at least yeah they pay for everything but i was literally for 16 weeks like just flying into these different teams and it wasn't until three months after that year i was like you know what i'm gonna go work for enclave and the crazy part is robert sala calls me a month after i tell blake i'm moving to vegas And that's when I made the decision. He was like, I want you to be my linebackers coach in New York Jets.

Wow. I'm like, really? I'm like, well, I'm going to go be a coach for the New York Jets. After a year of realizing that, you know, the quality of life for me, the determination, the way of life for a coach was just so different. And I think me at the time having a newborn son, I wasn't able to be there for my son and to be able to be there for those players. Because I wanted to be able to give them everything,

but I wasn't able to give that to my son as well. So I had to make the decision, selfishly or unselfishly, to be able to just, you know what, I'm going to just make this leap of faith and go into the business realm. Even though I know nothing about it, it was more of, you know what, pressure either burst pipes or make diamonds. And I felt like for me, like, to be extremely uncomfortable is the only way for you to grow.

For sure. So I made that decision to just jump over there to Enclave & Key where, you know, Blake at that time was, you know, we were, what, four years strong of just our communication being best friends since the first time we met. And it was just like, you know what? Like I trust him. I trust him what he was going to do. I told him like, Hey, I don't know too much about this, but if you teach me and you coach me, I'm a fast learner and I have the desire to learn. So that was just exactly that step that got me here today. Man. I love to see that mindset because a lot of these pro athletes,

they're the best at what they do for so long. So it's sort of hard for them after to take a step back, kind of humble themselves and try to take it in business. Oh, for sure. And I think for athletes, and I can speak from experience, that same athlete mindset that you have,

that you're a dog, you're out there working hard every single day, you persevere through all the trials and tribulations. If you just take all of that and you just put it back into that box and was like, you know what? I'm going to transition this to real estate or becoming a doctor or become an entrepreneur. That same mindset will get you exactly where you was.

Because it took you, what, 10, 12, maybe 15 years to get to the NFL? Just take that same approach to whatever you want to do after that. Because you're not going to get that same, like, we all pray for that overnight success. But it doesn't happen like that. It almost takes that five to 10 year period of constant grind to be able to get what you want. And even then, sometimes longer. You're talking about Warren Buffett.

You're talking about Donald Trump and all these great business owners that's you know billionaires at 78 58 like we're just in our 20s and we've you know didn't have the careers that we wanted but you can still become a billionaire millionaire at 30 35 and you're still light years ahead of what you are and the crazy part is you already had a jump start being in nfl right you know 500 000 70 000 whatever the case may be yeah so was that always in the back of your head uh the money stuff because a lot of nfl players end up going broke right so was that a thought when you were playing absolutely i mean my mom kind of instilled it into me a little bit she's a executive banker uh down in beverly hills she was like you need to figure out what you want to do after football

and i ended up getting my degree at usc for estate. And I was during that time trying out for different teams. I was like, you know what, I'm gonna just get my real estate license. And I ended up getting that because I applied all of those things that I've done throughout my whole entire football career. It's just like, just put it in real estate, right? Yeah, it's gonna be a learning curve. But that's how you get better. That's how you realize that you know what if you just don't quit i think it'll it'll pay off in the long run so for me it was just like battle every single emotion you're gonna go through and just do not quit like you will persevere i love that trust me so i did that and just realized like you know what i don't really want to do real estate like this is not what i'm passionate about so that's when i decided to go into coaching realized

that wasn't my passion then i finally got to a place where after learning from blake you know him teaching me the different things of strategy how to help individuals more than just sell to individuals and i feel like that's where the power of you know being a president of a talent at enclave and key is today yeah because a lot of people like to to be more transactional than you know providing value and that's like you know what like if you put all that stuff aside the transactional stuff will come yeah naturally and if you try and just not even try if you be a good person genuine people want to work with other genuine good people and i believe that absolutely man whenever you guys have me in the suite i just think of ways to provide value back to you guys because you guys

don't ask me for anything and you're paying all this money to have me in the suite, I just think of ways to provide value back to you guys. You guys don't ask me for anything. You're paying all this money to have me and other people there. I really appreciate it. It's love both ways, bro. That's where it's like these relationships, we want to last forever. I want to be able to call Oshad whenever the case may be. Let's go to Greece. Let's go hang out because we have that relationship.

We've never asked each other for you know the different stuff like i never it's like hey i need you to spend fifty thousand dollars to do this event with me i never asked you to hey can you you know do me xyz favor like because it's all been you know relationship based we've always tried to figure out how to provide value to one another and it's all we all win at the end of the team yeah it shows man you guys just had the biggest celebrity poker tournament like ever 72 people amazing event and now you're going on a tour with it right absolutely i mean shoot now we're we're really gonna lean into it i mean with the talent pool that we had and believing that it was just going to be one of the most watched

poker events ever including the wsop like we really want to lean in on that and believe that and that's where we was just like you know what we're going to really take advantage of this opportunity and do our next one in super bowl weekend and now we're looking for all the different type of talent that want to be a part of it whether it's football players chess you know champions i mean i don't know if you know nemo the chess champion that literally learned how to play poker overnight or you know a couple of weeks before end up winning the whole i saw that i was like she plays poker i'm like wow like this is this just tells you that you don't really need to be the best basketball player the best football player the best poker tournament because we even have poker pros there

that didn't even crack the top 25 yeah and it's just like you know what this is this is more than poker this is entertainment with networking involved into it. And I think that's where our generation, the generation below us, is going to continue to grow this whole thing even more than it was in the past. Absolutely love it, man. Hayes, it's been fun, man. Anything you want to close off with? Man, just appreciate you for having me on the opportunity to, you know, invite me on. And, yeah, shout out to everybody out there. It's all love.

Let's go. Where can people find you, man? You can go on Instagram. My ad is P- p-u-l-l-a-r-d let's go thanks for watching guys i'll see you guys next time