Digital Social Hour - Exploring the Future of Aviation: Pilotless Planes with Papia Gambelin | Digital Social Hour #57

Episode Date: July 26, 2023

Ladies and gentlemen, aviation enthusiasts, and podcast lovers, have I got a treat for you today. In our latest episode, we delve into the exciting world of aviation, discussing everything from new planes to pilotless aircraft. Join me, along with my co-host Wayne, and our special guest, the incredible Papia Gambelin, as we embark on an aviation adventure like no other. From the convenience of using EV tolls in the Bay Area to the complexities of government affairs at United Airlines, we cover it all. And let me tell you, there's never a dull moment with Papia's infectious energy and fascinating insights. We kick things off by discussing Papia's recent flight with United, and let me just say, her Adidas Gucci collab shoes were the talk of the town! But the shoe talk quickly transitions into a captivating conversation about Sean Kelly's journey to his role at United, involving a staggering 19 interview sessions. You won't believe the dedication and determination it took for him to land that position. But it's not just interviews and shoe talk in this episode. Papia takes us deep into the world of aviation negotiations and the importance of building strong relationships with government officials. It's a fascinating look behind the scenes of an industry that impacts our lives more than we realize. Oh, and did I mention that we also talk about Hostage tape? Yes, you heard me right! Wayne and Sean can't resist jokingly discussing the use of Hostage tape for better sleep and health benefits. Perhaps it's the secret to their energy and enthusiasm! As our conversation takes off, we delve into United Airlines' plans for the future, with a focus on sustainable aviation. From electric vertical takeoff and landing vehicles to sustainable aviation fuel made from municipal waste, United is leading the charge in reducing their carbon footprint. But it's not all about the aircraft and industry secrets. Papia opens up about her experiences growing up with strict Indian immigrant parents, navigating cultural expectations, and finding love in unexpected places. Her stories are both hilarious and inspiring, reminding us of the power of forging our own path. Throughout the episode, we touch on topics like relationships, tolerance, and empathy, highlighting the need for a more understanding and compassionate society. We discuss the importance of communication, compromise, and finding common ground, not just in our personal lives but also in movements like BLM. So, if you're ready to immerse yourself in a world where planes and personal stories intertwine, join us for this captivating episode. Trust me, the insights, laughter, and thought-provoking moments will leave you feeling inspired and entertained. Tune in now to experience the world of aviation through the eyes of our incredible guest, Papia Gambelin. And don't forget to follow her on Instagram at the Creator digital social hour for more engaging content. Thank you for joining us, and may your flight be filled with joy, laughter, and amazing discoveries. Peace! BUSINESS INQUIRIES: [e-mail] SPONSORS: AG1: https://www.drinkAG1.com/DSH Hostage Tape: https://hostagetape.com/DSH --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/digitalsocialhour/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

And from now through like 2026, we're getting all the new planes coming out of Boeing and Airbus. Wow. So, you know, it's going to be really exciting for us and maybe not so exciting for our competitors. Will there be pilotless planes at some point? These are electric planes at a shorter distance. Imagine you're in the Bay Area and you're like, OK, I'm landing. You come in. You guys are coming in from Vegas, land at SFO. You jump on an eVTOL and you like do a hop skip jump to Napa

welcome to the digital social hour I'm your host, Sean Kelly. I'm here with my co-host, Wayne Lewis. What up, what up? And our guest today, Papya Gamblin. Hey. How you doing? I'm good. How are you? Nice. I'm fine. I like your shoes.

Thank you. Oh, those are... Adidas Gucci collab. Got some style on them. I didn't know they did that. Yeah. Yeah, Adidas is really good about it. You flying on United? I did't know they did that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Venus is, like, really good about it. You flying on United?

I did. Figures, right? Right. How'd you get involved with United? Let's start there. Well, you know, I had a friend that was in the role that I have now. I'm managing director of government affairs for the West Coast, and I do state and local engagement. And she left to go take a great job job and they were looking for someone that had

relationships in government locally and so threw my name in had 19 interviews wow with united with united during 19 times yeah what did they ask you 19 times well it was during coming out of covid right so this is 2021 yeah so um at a they, you know, want to meet the leaders that are coming into the company. So the executive team has the option to do that. So I met with the CEO, our CFO, our chief operating officer, our CTO. And what was so good about that process for me was as I was going through the process, I was learning about the culture. Did you meet with the janitor too? I mean, I'm down.

19 people. I'm down. You know, it was learning about the culture. Did you meet with the janitor, too? I mean, I'm down. 19 people. I'm down. You know, it was great. It was so cool. It was good to be able to understand their individual philosophy, their goals for their department. So it was really insightful understanding the culture of a company that I'm about to go work for and lead in. So it was a long process, but it was cool. And what exactly does government affairs do?

Because I see that job title of a lot of big companies, but I never knew what it actually entailed. So, you know, it's liaisoning with government officials and regulators. So I've come from industries that are regulated. So the garbage industry is regulated. I worked for the utility in California, northern California. It was heavily regulated. And now I'm spending some time in the aviation industry, also heavily regulated. I worked for the utility in California, Northern California. It was heavily regulated. And now I'm spending some time in the aviation industry, also heavily regulated. So a lot of policy and engagement from elected officials that will engage and put forth policies that are impacting our operations or our human resource capital, our employees, or what have you.

So I'll liaison on behalf of the company and advance our policies or our agenda or I'll mitigate an issue. And so that's my primary role. And then I'll work with internal departments as my subject matter experts, bring them into the fold, and then help educate our policymakers on issues so that they can make amazing and good decisions on behalf of industries. Wow. I didn't know it got that intricate when it comes to planes and the companies. That's crazy. Yeah. Because we just hop on.

Yeah. I didn't know it was like you got to have relationships with certain governments. Yeah. So it's heavily federally regulated. But then all the airports, like Harry Reid Airport, is regulated locally by the county and the city. Wow. So you have those local relationships.

And so everything is sort of integrated. And then a role like mine in a company will then help with communicating and supporting or amplifying messaging or what have you. So basically, if you want to add a new route to a new country, you're going to have to negotiate with their government on how that happens. Yes. So we've got people that will plan. They do network planning. So they decide,

you know, where do we want to go? And obviously United does such a good job of picking dots on a map and like creating routes that make sense based on customer feedback. And so then what we'll do is we have an entire team that will then work with foreign government to then negotiate like that slot at their airport and then calculate the times in which you leave. Because let's just use, for example, Ben Gorin in Tel Aviv. You know, they close that airport at a particular time at night, but you got to then get that plane out. It's a 15 hour route. And then you got to get in places like San Francisco or Newark.

And so it's really important to be able to negotiate effectively on that end to then line it up on our end, you know on the main state side to be able to then you know land the plane and function and meet all the criteria that the airport has whether it's noise issues or you know they gotta close off a runway shout out to today's episode sponsor hostage tape man this stuff's good bro know. Last night I slept with my mouth open. I really needed it. Did I hurt? Did it even increase the blood pressure? Dude, it's got a lot of health benefits for sure.

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I only do state level and local stuff. Wow. Is it true when the president flies in, they shut down everything? It's coordinated. So, for example, in the Bay Area, they'll fly into Moffett. So you're not impacting commercial airspace or aviation activities. But then, you know, there's certain places that they'll utilize and then they'll shut things down accordingly. But they really try hard not to impact commercial aviation since it's such a, you know, commerce-driven entity.

So how often do you travel since, you know what is that your thing is that a hobby your travel well i have a family so i tend to do the concept of trip linking so it's often used in when you're driving around you do your route so you're using the least amount of gas so i'll like travel for like two weeks and then i'll stay home for a couple weeks so i like bulk it up so i was recently in hawaii for work came home for a day flew to israel came home for a couple weeks so i like bulk it up so i was recently in hawaii for work came home for a day flew to israel came home for a couple days was in la and then i stopped for two weeks wow that's crazy always moving around yeah it's amazing putting out fires putting out fires or maybe creating a little making a fire that's right yeah that's crazy so like with all of because

united airlines um like when they come across certain problems and stuff like that in the media, how do you handle those or do you handle those? So we work with our communications department. Yeah. So they'll handle that side of media. And then, you know, for me, you know, they're a good partner because what they're saying in the media is what I need to be saying to our elected officials. And so when I'm off, when I'm speaking to those electeds off the dais, you know, we're coordinated, but I would say, for example, you know, where we're, where we're making a little bit of fire workforce development's a big thing. We have pilot shortage. We have flight attendant shortage in the Bay area. We want to grow our mechanics as we've ordered all these planes that are coming in. You know, we've locked it in since for, from now through like 2026, we're getting all the new planes coming out of Boeing and Airbus. So, you know, it's going to be really exciting for us and maybe not so exciting for our competitors to try to get an airplane.

Yeah. Cause you guys are taking all the inventory. Yeah. We locked it in. And I think because our CEO is so amazing and has foresight, like that's how we're rolling. But, you know, as we're getting these planes, we're working locally to ensure we have an incredible pipeline of people to work on those planes. And when we grow that network, that we're able to staff it with pilots and flight attendants and other amazing professionals that we need to operate. So I'll work with our local teams. You know, I have incredible internal partners and then we'll go to cities, we'll go to the state and we'll talk about how we get resources to retain and then recruit and retain employees and grow our workforce. So that's like a fun thing to do. It's like not as challenging as some of the

other things that aren't so fun, but developing our workforce and investing in our people is a really, really cool thing to do. What new projects are you guys are working on using like the new technology that's being developed, like AI with the whole robots? Will there be pilotless planes at some point, do you feel? Maybe way in the future. So there will be planes with no pilots? I mean, possibly. That's scary. I mean, I'd say that's a far, far, far in the future. So there will be planes with no pilots. I mean, possibly. That's scary. I mean, I'd say that's far, far, far in the future. I'd say more immediate is what's called the EV tools, the electric vertical takeoff and landing vehicles that you're going to see.

So we've invested in Hart and Archer. Wait, so wait, what? So these are electric planes at a shorter distance available to them because, you know, obviously the technology isn't available for long haul. Right, right. So they'll take off, and some of these technologies have like a 60-mile radius. Some have a 150-mile radius. So imagine you're in the Bay Area, and you're like, okay, I'm landing.

You come in. You guys are coming in from Vegas, land at SFO. You jump on an eVTOL, and you, like, do, I'm landing. You come in. You guys are coming in from Vegas, land at SFO. You jump on an EV toll, and you do a hop, skip, jump to Napa. On a plane? On an electric plane. How big is it? Four seat, six seat. Oh, so it's a little small.

Yeah. Wow. So this is going to be modes of transportation that are emerging that are going to be utilizing regional airports in a completely different way. So how does that make it more efficient or just makes us makes traveling quicker for us? Quicker, less footprint because these are going to be primarily electric. So, you know, less carbon footprint, which is our goal. The other way to do it for us is going to be the investment in sustainable aviation fuel.

So alternative fuel, which is our biggest expense and our biggest footprint from a carbon perspective. So we're working on those initiatives in a variety of States, trying to get California to follow places like Chicago. Usually California is leading in this space, but they're getting there. We're having great conversations with the California air resources board and the administration to move the needle on creating a market, an increased market.

So when you say alternative fuel, is that using another fuel besides fossil fuel? Yes. Okay. So this would be using municipal waste. So there's that technology to convert municipal waste into sustainable aviation fuel. Biomass, so woody material, trees, things like that. Talos, like oils and things from like a restaurant so there are technologies that take these things and convert them into sustainable aviation fuel so it's alternative fuel and they burn less like public we never hear about this

stuff i know that's why having like platforms like this are amazing so we talk about this stuff and then we get we get the word out yeah okay that's great to know because gas is just going to keep going up so your margins are going to be what's damaging to to the atmosphere totally so how does the alternative gas actually you know like counter with it with that like is it less effective or more effective is it more damaging less damaging or just not damaging at all when it comes to breathing in the carbon in the air? So it is less carbon. So it's less carbon to make. And then it's less carbon footprint, like the output of it.

Yeah, yeah. So today, out of LAX and now out of SFO, every flight that you are on United, you will fly with sustainable aviation fuel in the plane. Wow. So the plane I just took has it on it. Really? But it's a small percentage. Oh, wow. the plane I just took has it on it. Really? But it's a small percentage. Oh, okay. And that's where we need more of it.

We need more of it to be produced, but it needs to be incented to be made. Like, you need an incentive. Right now, the incentives are made for biodiesel. So truckers, like all these trucks that you see, they use biodiesel. And so same materials, that's what they make. But the money that they get to make it is incredibly huge. Like they get a large subsidy. We would like to create a subsidy that's similar to encourage those same oil producers or fuel producers to make sustainable aviation fuel.

And those policies are primarily driven at the state level. So the more you make, the more we'll buy. We're willing to buy a ton of it. We've already entered into a ton of contracts to say, when you make it, we'll buy it. So it'll be cool when we get it made. And we're leading the way because now as a passenger, you can contribute to our sustainable aviation fuel fund

and you will offset your footprint because that money will then go into making and buying sustainable aviation fuel with our partners, our fuel partners. Wow. That's really cool. Yeah. That's sick. We got to start making some, Wayne.

Yeah, I know. Let's do it. Yeah. Let's go. Yeah. So then, okay, so. Damn, that's too many questions. I got one.

So where does United rank to competition and what makes you guys better or different from competitors? So I say we're the best airline because we do offer so many different product choices. But I would say, you know, Delta is probably a bigger footprint, but we are way bigger and better in my mind. And they are bigger in the U.S. We're bigger worldwide. We're the biggest airline, world commercial airline. commercial airline wow yeah we offer the most international routes we offer everything just better more of it so yeah i never see delta overseas actually yeah i don't even realize who i'm flying most of the time

you seriously i just you might be on spirit, bro. Oh, no. She said, oh, no. No, no, no. Sorry. You know, in policy, it's really funny. In policy, we all work together. Because when you create policy, that's going to impact aviation. We actually work together. I have great relationships with my colleagues.

But, of course, their line themselves are extremely competitive because it is a choice kind of product, right? So you do have to throw an elbow or two. But I do it out of respect and out of love for my colleagues. I feel that. Yeah. Let's talk about pre-United. I want to know about you growing up because you grew up in an Indian household. I watched a podcast where you were going to be part of an arranged marriage, I think, at one point.

Yes. So talk to me about growing up in that family. How did that work? What part of an arranged marriage, I think, at one point? Yes. So talking about growing up in a family. How did that work? What do you mean arranged marriage? So my parents. You already had your husband as a kid? Well, I think my parents were like shopping, right? So they immigrated from India, landed in South Carolina.

And then I grew up in, I was born and raised in South Carolina. So I went to California when I was 16. And, you know, when I think for immigrant parents on first gen, they sort of get frozen in time a little bit, right, with their culture and their ideologies and whatnot. So growing up, I was heard I was going to have an arranged marriage. And that's what you do. And I'm a very feisty kind of individual. And so I always was like, I don't know if that's going to be really for me. So I sort of bucked the

system and I went to college and I kept like buying myself time and met a gentleman at work and then we've been married 23 years wow yeah oh wow you married your work your work husband I married a man that I met at work. Yes. I mean, don't, oh, I mean. At the garbage company. Oh, at the garbage company. At a garbage company, yeah. He ran landfills and I was running recycling programs. Wow.

Yeah, in the 90s. And how did your parents take it? You know, they weren't like super thrilled, but I was getting old in their mind, right? So I got married when I was 26, which I know that's not old. That's old? But culturally, right? Like to them, I should have been like having like babies by then. Oh, okay. mind right so i got married when i was 26 which i know that's old that's old but culturally right like to them i should have been like having like babies by then okay and so um i got married at 26 and then the as i was driving away my lovely father was like you know thank god you're gonna

be taking care of her it's sort of that mentality right like and it's like i take care of me and my husband take care of himself and we together have built a beautiful life and family and we have awesome friends and, you know, so, but yeah, it was, it was not easy. They were very strict. I lived at home through college, so I made my own experiences and would get in trouble for doing so. Like my senior year in high school, I probably cut half the year because I'd already gotten into engineering school and I was like, I'm going to go and have some fun. And I cut. And there was a time where I

went to Treasure Island in San Francisco thinking that it was an amusement park. And I showed up and it was like a frickin old military base. That's that's the kind of shelter I was in. Right. I just didn't know. So I'm always always down for experiences which is why working for an aviation company is fascinating but yeah it's always been and i love my parents they did the best they could and they're amazing human beings what college did you go to san jose state university go spartans and you went the whole way you graduated graduated with a bs in environmental science so i switched my major which my dad was not happy with because he wanted an engineer daughter but i wanted to get out and make money so i did engineers make money though yeah but i like like talking to people oh okay okay i got you engineers aren't the most talkative people

and back then in the 90s there were like no girls in my class like it would be all dudes and me yeah still in the industry yeah it's very well. It's like one to every 30 or something. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. Totally. Wait, so you couldn't even date growing up? No.

Wow. No. What about friends? Like, could you bring people over? They were cool with me bringing people over, but it could only be girls. Wait, so you never dated a guy, like, growing up? You did, but not didn't. Right.

Right. It was all on the DL. Yeah, yeah. But I mean, how do you date, right? Like when you have to be home, like even in college, right? Like at a curfew. In college? All through college.

So you couldn't party? Not really. She partied. I mean, I did. I did. I did my own version of it, which is why I think later in life I went crazy and ballistic and had my own fun. Right. So you had pretty strict parents. Is that the approach you take with your kids? I have two boys. So, you know, I'm raising men.

So I can't I can be strict and structured, but not like I can't be so strict that I'm not raising people that can have their own minds and do their own thing and have their own ability to make choices based on experience. But you've got to put rails on it, right? So I have a 17-year-old and a 15-year-old. And so I want them to have the most amazing experiences, but I want them to understand that there are consequences. And you have to run your life with respect and make good choices. And you know what? Things happen. F*** up, whatever.

Learn from that. Grow from it. Ask your friends. Never just do s*** just to do it. So I probably raise them a little differently. My brother had a lot more leeway than I did. Yeah, always. It's the second child, right?

Always. Males. Oh, males? Yeah. Yeah. Males. Males are a lot lot less we have a lot less restrictions than the women because really women can get pregnant men can't oh so you're saying people are more strict with daughters oh yeah yeah i'll be i'll be more strict with my daughters too really yeah i think so i feel like i'll be the same but i don't know yeah nah your daughters you kind of want to to strap them down, just like she said.

Well, if they're like me, you're probably going to want to strap them down. Now I have kids, and I see why my parents did what they did. I get it. I am boisterous, and I'm a hustler, and I do that people don't want to do, and I'll try stuff. But if you think about it, her parents raised a wife. you know, a hustler and I that people don't want to do and I'll try stuff. And yeah. But if you think about her parents, her parents raised a wife. She, you know, she's a wife. She has to value her parents raised a wife.

Yeah. So that's what you really want to, you know, implement in the household. You're raising a wife, not just your daughter. Right. She has to be a wife to some other man. Oh my God. Are you Indian? No. Because that is, you get it yeah i

mean i just okay no because i mean if you think about it right so the core values that you're raised with it carries on to whatever relationships you have or lack of relationships that you have it really starts in the household yeah so in her case granted she didn't see it but if you if you listen to her she said i actually see it now. Yeah. Because of everything that they input. And he's like, I see why. Yeah. I'm sure you're around some friends and they can't get married. They don't know why they can't keep a man. But then they look at you like, how are you able to?

Well, she was raised to keep one. Yeah. And what importance do you place on academics with your kids? Because I know a lot of Asians, pretty strict. My mom, I'm half Asian. My mom was super strict. Yeah. So how do you view it so i have two different kids so i have one that's super i mean they're both smart um one so smart by one that's super super smart that i can't have a conversation without google like he's that guy um he hates school he's an excellent student because he just wants to get it done. He's bored. Yeah, he's bored as ****.

It is. So he's going to be a senior. He's got like, because he's on like an EAP, you know, he's got like the special ed stuff because he does suffer from depression. You know, he does a lot of school online. And so what we're doing now is like figuring out, okay, well, do you want to work like a donkey like your mom and dad? Or do you want to like go to school and keep investing in your mind because you have an amazing mind?

So it's introducing him to options, trades, army, military, like everything to me is on the table to figure out what's going to be best for him. And then my younger one, also super smart, but athletic and like, you know, sort of this well-rounded kid. I put a lot of pressure on him. He also has a, you know, a physical issue where he's unable to make his own antibodies. So it's a primary genetic thing. I'm the carrier of this. So women are the carrier and then it manifests in your boys. So he can't make T cells.

So he's unable to make anybody's to fight stuff. So I push him a little harder because I really want him to be able to be independent and do his thing and never, ever have the feeling that he has a crutch in life. So I push him a little harder. So one is creating options for somebody that I know will be able to take care of himself. And the other one is pushing because because he has a yeah and i do the pushing so he doesn't have to yeah without enabling right i never want to be an enabler so does he wake up like sore on certain days or he's super like yeah he's very and very connected to his body so he plays football at sarah high school he does yeah he's at sarah okay so you know brady's alma mater i'm sorry and so um which is awesome he loves it he's a sophomore yeah he's at sarah okay so you know brady's alma mater oh sorry and so um which is

awesome he loves it he's a sophomore and he's all like special teams he's a puncher he's on defense so you know i want him to have fun while balancing his academic but i do push nice the tiger mom is there the tiger mom that's crazy wow uh anything else you got um no so i want to know like okay so you said your son he battles with depression right yeah um how did that come about or is it just because he's so like from an iq level standpoint he's so smart that that tends to happen to those because he can't relate to certain people in his age group or is that what it is? I think it's a combination of that plus

he just had really bad experiences in grade school. Oh, okay. But I think it came from being bored. So he'd get to the end of the school year and he'd get so frustrated with being there. He'd just like punch somebody. And he was at a Catholic school and so they'd be like, he's out. Wait, so he's just like punched somebody well and he was at a catholic school and so they'd be

like he's out wait so he's just like i'm bored yeah yeah like or he'd get triggered right like somebody like he's very um he's like a justice kind of guy like he's about justice so let's say you're making fun of you right he'd like punch you for doing that oh he doesn't like bullying that's right okay yeah he stands up yes and then you get in trouble and then and then he'd have these consequences and he's like well i was doing the right thing which i'd be like you were but you can't be punching people so you don't want to put him you don't you don't want to put him in boxing in boxing actually i bought a bag might be good for him and i was like when you want to hit something go in the garage and hit it so i built a gym okay in the garage for my kids so that they had a place

to like get their energy out and you know so they have that they've got that little bag whatever that's called and then you know the big big big punching bag but yeah i did buy one so you could do that yeah they say how do you tend to manage like family life along with the work extensive work life because when you get home you still work you're a mom yeah i'm working so how do you how do you tend to yourself but then how do you how do you also like have that work mom life balance kind of deal or is there a balance i struggle with it to be honest because i work so hard i'm a hustler yeah and so i struggle i had a job before where i rarely saw my kids and i actually

left that job because i was realizing i'm i'm rarely being a mom i'm not present i was also physically manifesting things that were like horrible for my health, high blood pressure, you know, pre-diabetic, you know, heart palpitations, all from stress. And so I just needed to give myself a break and recalibrate, go to therapy, do self-care, do mental health care. So I'm a big proponent of that. I want to talk about it more. I do colonics, I do Botox. I do anything that is about self-care. And so, um, I started to balance my life with them. So I, I take breaks and I'll make dinner and I talk to them about their day. And I'm asking, you know, we talk about what's going on. Like, you know, tell me what, what you're dealing with. Uh, what's a challenge for you and ask random questions and have fun

conversations um and then when they are done we clean up from dinner and they go do their video games or whatever they're doing or um i go back to work and i knock shit out and work until how does your husband like that his wife is like a super hustler you know we are both independent so he's a guy that'll like go in a helicopter and jump out of it and ski down some f***ing mountain. And tell you about it. Yeah, and then tell me about it. Or he'll like backpack in the wilderness and he'll kill a deer and then put the deer parts in a backpack and pack it out. Like that's, I married that guy.

Oh, okay. And so. So he understands you. He does because he's himself and I let him do him. He lets me do me. And then we have a have a partnership right and so it's equal in nature right like you have to have that kind of a relationship if you want to be this independent while being in a relationship that is healthy so you have to respect boundaries and respect the individual person yeah um and then i believe in modeling that i want my sons to see

whatever they end up being, if they fall in love with a woman or a man or whomever, like, I want them to see, like, how do you have a healthy relationship? How do you communicate in a healthy way? How do you debate in a healthy way, have an argument, but then you're like, you know, can we find some common ground? Can we agree to disagree? Like, come on, you know, like, um, you can still be emotional and emote, but not in a way that's disrespectful or effed up. Like what we see after COVID, the way people were expressing themselves. There's a lot of divorces and breakups because they just have to look at each other. That's right.

Had to face one another. Yeah. Finally, it's like, you're not who I want to be with. So how do you maintain a successful relationship for 23 years? What, is there a secret? I mean, what would be like the, the, the, the three things that you can name? That's like, this is actually what I feel would work for a sustainable relationship for 23. That's a long time. Yeah. The most. Yeah. Nah. Yeah. That's killing. It's been a minute. It's been a minute. You know, I just think it's having sort of baseline, a baseline expectation of yourself and your partner.

Right? Like, I know his strengths. I know his weaknesses. There are things about him I will never, ever change. And you have to accept. Right? You just accept. And we grow. I mean, being with somebody, I'm not the person I was. You see them change so much. Yeah. And you have to kind of let

each person do their thing. And as a person grows, you grow with them. And, you know, there's been times in our marriage where we were distant and, you know, and respecting that as part of the relationship, you're going to have ebbs and flows and not everything's going to be wonderful and rosy and amazing, but there was always love, always respect and a core. And so, and that's I think what I'm fortunate that we have is that we still have that together. And imagine if the women today understood that because they dump us like,

we was like oh no relationship i mean we just live in a society now where it's just like on to the next yeah it's a swipe relationship environment like it's swiping mentality right i don't like this swipe i don't like him swipe yeah and so i mean there are things about my husband I don't like, but there are 10 times more things I do. And so, you know, I think our society today lacks the ability to have tolerance for each other. We don't have patience for one another. And so you got to have those things. We got to figure out how do we bring that back into our society is just simply being tolerant, being empathetic.

It's kind of what a lot of the movements are about you know don't you think which movements are yeah what movements i don't know what movements are about i feel like you know when when you're looking at uh like the blm movement well empathy tolerance yeah but i have my own opinion we'll get canceled yeah yeah i have my own don't do that yeah i have my own opinion about that but i can understand where you're coming from yeah i think that's the base yeah i get what yeah yeah yeah yeah at the base sorry i don't mean to like you know yeah yeah become super controversial but i just feel like you know when it comes to the long-term relationships i don't think people understand a lot of you know, when it comes to the long-term relationships, I don't think people understand. A lot of, you know, people just in general don't understand that concept.

Like, you want to be with someone that long because, I mean, why not, right? Yeah, I mean, I think that's the goal is to find a partner that you really can be a partner with. Right, right. But I take the definition of partner literally. It is give and take. It tolerating it's understanding it's compromising i'm not gonna get my way there's gonna be times where i have to swallow that pill or eat crow and it sucks crow sucks what's crow eating crow sucks crow eating crow you've not heard that saying no but it's a i've never heard it but

are you talking about the bird yeah yeah i don't like it's nasty oh you oh crow is actually nasty yeah like i would assume it's like a saying it's like where you have to eat your words where you have to you know it's like okay like but i also have a mentality at least as i get older where i just want to be able to live in peace. And so sometimes you just have to, you know, debate. And then you say, okay, well, I've said my piece. So I'm not going to keep debating this. It's like you said yours. I've said mine.

We'll agree to disagree. Let it go. Let's have some fun. A lot of people can't let it go, though. Yeah, that's the problem, right? Ego, right? Yeah. You got to let it go.

It manifests in your body if you hold on to it they want to be right yeah and it's okay not to be yeah people won't admit when they're wrong though wrong and right is all subjective it's all about what you agree or disagree with so if like you said you have to learn how to disagree that's really what it is it's what it boils down to is learning how to disagree with one another yeah and moving. Like, we can have a total debate and then walk away from it and still kick it and have a great time. Yeah, cook, chill, whatever. But that's out of respect because I now respect what you're saying. Yeah.

It's out of love. You know what I mean? Like, it's out of these places where you're not harboring things in your body and it manifests in cancer and other things. That's a fact because it will. Stress can cause disease. Resentment does too. Totally. Inflammation.

A hundred percent. It's not worth it. Let it go. Absolutely. Papi, it's been a pleasure. What's next for you? Any closing thoughts? Well, you guys are amazing.

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