Digital Social Hour - Father's Dark Secret: He Killed My Mom! | Collier Landry DSH #578

Episode Date: August 12, 2024

😱 Discover the shocking truth behind one of the most chilling family secrets ever revealed on the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly! In this jaw-dropping episode, we sit down with special guest Collier Landry, who shares his harrowing story of discovering that his own father killed his mother when he was just 11 years old.   Tune in now to hear Collier's gripping tale of survival, courage, and the relentless pursuit of justice. From the haunting night of the murder to the intense courtroom drama and his journey through the foster care system, this episode is packed with valuable insights into the impact of violence and the strength of the human spirit.    WATCH NOW and SUBSCRIBE for more insider secrets. 📺 Hit that subscribe button and stay tuned for more eye-opening stories on the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly! 🚀 Join the conversation and don't miss out on this must-see episode! 💔 #DigitalSocialHour #SeanKelly #Podcast #TrueCrime #CollierLandry #ApplePodcasts #Spotify #SurvivalStory #Justice #FamilySecrets   #ShockingStory #TrueCrimeStory #TrueCrimePodcast #FatherKilledMom #CrimeInvestigation   CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:50 - The Night of the Murder 02:20 - The Next Day 05:00 - Today’s Sponsor 06:10 - The Detective Comes to the House 08:10 - The Detective Comes Back the Next Day 09:00 - Collier’s Conversation with the Principal 09:53 - How You Found Your Mother’s Body 12:55 - You’re Removed from Your Home 14:12 - Your Father’s Trial 17:08 - Your Relationship with Your Father After the Trial 19:31 - You Interview Your Father for the Documentary 20:33 - Growing Up in the Aftermath of the Crime 22:18 - The Importance of Examining the Impacts of Violence 33:20 - Did Your Father Forgive You 35:29 - What's Next for Collier   APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail]   GUEST: Collier Landry https://www.instagram.com/collierlandry https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYIJGxnTPGxaKRZc-Gq63iA https://www.tiktok.com/@collierlandry https://campsite.to/collierlandry   SPONSORS: Deposyt Payment Processing: https://www.deposyt.com/seankelly   LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

And I come downstairs, and my father's sitting on the couch. He had a towel wrapped around his waist. He had just taken a shower, and I said, where is my mother? He didn't look at me. He was watching television. I said, where is my mother? And he looks up at me, stone cold, and he goes, well, Collier, mommy took a little vacation. And right then I knew that he had killed my mother.

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and here's the episode. All right, guys. Collier Landry, one of the craziest stories I think I've ever seen, man. Thanks for coming on. Thank you for having me. Yeah, it is an interesting one for sure. Very interesting.

And you were 12 years old when that incident happened, right? I was 11 when the murder occurred, and I was 12 when it went to trial. Wow. So walk everyone through, for those that don't know your story, what exactly happened. So when I was 11 years old, i woke up in the middle of the night to the sound of two loud thuds and i knew you see my parents were going through a really like nasty divorce and my father was a very violent person yeah and i was completely paralyzed in my bed i was thinking myself do i get up do I run to my mother's bedroom? Or do I just wait? And I counted 12 footsteps as they walked down the hall. And I'm laying in bed,

and my eyes are wide open. And I'm saying to myself, and I can see out of my peripheral vision, two feet in the doorway. And all I can think is, there's like this voice screaming and said, don't look up. And the feet left. And I woke up the next morning and went straight to my mother's bedroom. She was gone. And I'm literally rummaging through her sheets and looking for blood. And I come downstairs and my father's sitting on the couch. He had a towel wrapped around his waist.

He had just taken a shower. And I said, where is my mother? And he didn't look at me. He was watching television. I said, where is my mother? And he looks up at me, stone cold. And he goes, well, Collier, mommy took a little vacation. And right then I knew that he had killed my mother. Oh, my gosh.

And he launches into this whole spiel of we're not going to call the cops we're not going to call the fbi we're not going to do this she's going to come back and he starts explaining to me um how uh they got into a fight the night before or they got in the fight in the middle of the night and the thuds and i said well what about the thuds and he said well the thuds was my mother throwing her purse at him and hitting the wall. And I was like, no, that's not it. But I'm listening to him because my father is a psychopath, right? Did you know that at the time?

My father was very violent. He had a massive proclivity for violence, and he was very violent with us growing up. Yeah, he was just one of those people, you know, intimidating, force. I mean, my father's 6'3", 225 pounds, you know what I mean? And I was a little asthmatic kid. But he starts telling you this whole story on how my mother came downstairs, and they got into an argument, and she threw her purse at him and threw her credit cards at him.

And this is the dead of winter. This is New Year's Eve in Ohio. Okay. Dead of winter. And literally leaves the house and goes down the driveway to a car that was waiting on the end of the driveway. That was his story. And I didn't believe him. And my father had had a mistress at the time that I had met. And I didn't know until much later that my father had many mistresses throughout my parents' marriage. And my mother always knew, but she just didn't give a shit. But at that time, the reason why she filed for divorce from my father is because he introduced me to his girlfriend. And that was like the line in the sand. That was like the crossing of the Rubicon for my mother. So I'm talking to my father, and he's explaining, don't call the cops.

Don't call the FBI. As soon as he said, don't call the FBI, I remember thinking to myself, okay, why did we go there? I mean, we're in a small town in Ohio. And this isn't like when CSI is on television or anything like that. It just struck me as really odd. And I wasn't going to listen to my father. CSI is on television or anything like that. That just was, it was, it was just struck me as really odd. Right. And I wasn't going to listen to my father and he left that day and I immediately grabbed, my mother just bought a cordless phone.

And what I had done because they were in this contentious divorce and that is I had taken down all of my mother's friends, phone numbers, and I hid them in a stuffed Garfield that I had in my room. Wow. I locked myself in the bathroom and I called all those numbers. Cause my father told me not to call the police. He didn't say I couldn't call my mom's friends and tell them to call the

police. So I told him to call the police. And, uh, two uniform officers showed up a couple hours later. And at that time, the night before, um,

my grandmother, my father's mother, who was very close with my mother had arrived. She was supposed to come for Christmas and she was coming for new year's it was very strange and i um my grandmother was like no listen to your father or whatever so um when the cops show up she just loses it and two uniformed officers and i'm walking them through the house and i'm telling them i'm trying to tell them what happened but i can't because my grandmother's hovering over me right so i managed to pull one of them aside and my grandmother's talking to one of them in my mother's bedroom i said look i said i don't know what happened but i but i don't trust my father

as far as i could throw him and he's done something to my mother. And you need to look into this. And he just kind of looked at me like I was a crazy little kid. So my father comes home that night, no police come back. His divorce lawyer comes over and they're talking about stuff. I can't quite hear what's going on. And the next day, which was New Year's Day, I called my mother's friends again. I'm like, okay, what's going on? Like, no police came. And they were like, well, they're treating it as a missing persons case. I'm like, no. She's not missing. Like, we know something has happened to her. You know, it's not like she just went off in the middle of the night. So by the grace of God, divine intervention, whatever you want to call it, because it's a New Year's Day in a sleepy small town in Ohio, a gentleman by the name of Detective David Messmore happened to see the missing person's report. Didn't have anything

to do that day and came out to my house. He knocks on the door. My grandmother answers. She loses it again because he's a detective asking questions. She runs, he comes inside. I'm like, come on in, come on in. And she goes, I'm going to call my son. My son's a doctor. You're going to be in big trouble. Don't harass us. And she goes to call my father. Now, growing up, my mother had always told me stories about, she was raised in Philadelphia. She would go to the carousel when she was a child. And she would talk about when you go around the carousel, you try to grab the brass ring and you win a prize. She always told me, she's like, Collier, you want to grab the brass ring in life.

You want to look for those moments that you can seize an opportunity. And I knew when my grandmother left for that moment, when I had the one-on-one with the detective, that that was the brass ring moment. And I looked him straight in the eye, and I said, look, my mother would never leave me. My father's done something to her. I think he's killed her. Give me your business card,

and tomorrow I go back to school and I'll call you. He gave me his card, and he's kind of looking at me like, who is this kid? So she comes back and she says, my son is, he goes, okay, you know,

I'll come back and I'll talk to the doctor later on tonight. And Dave Massmore actually came back that night. My father wouldn't talk to him. He had his lawyer there. So I go to school the next day, January 2nd. And, uh,

immediately, uh, I go right to the principal's office and I say, I need you to call this man and have him come down here. And for two or three hours, I lay out the entirety of my parents' relationship, my father's proclivity for violence, all the mistress that I knew of, the divorce, the contentious, because they had been in this divorce for about six months. Because when he introduced me to his girlfriend she's not filing divorce that's done and when you're dealing with a psychopath like that's you're like no you're not going to win doesn't matter what they have yeah they need to win and when you draw the line with them that's that's like it you know it's narcissistic personality and i'm look i'm not i

always say on my youtube show i'm not a lawyer I'm, look, I'm not, I always say on my YouTube show, I'm not a lawyer. I'm not a psychologist. I'm not a law enforcement. I'm just a guy who's been through a lot of shit. Yeah. But that's, that's the thing that I had to learn. And so over the course of the next 25 days, myself and this detective put together the pieces and I found photographs of a house in another state where they dug my mother's body up from.

Whoa, that's crazy. So I was gathering all this evidence. So my father was coming home every night. I was home from school and I was watching him like a hawk. And I was, you know, and during that initial meeting with Dave Messmore at the school, I told him, look, I said, I'm going to go home. And when my grandmother's downstairs making dinner, I'm going to go upstairs. I'm going to pull the bookcases out of the wall and look in the crawl space for my mother's body.

I'm going to, I'm going to look for, to see if her purse is somewhere. Cause she wouldn't have left the purse with, with left without this one person. She has, I'm going to start doing this. And so over the course of like this,

like I said, 25 days, my father was coming home with like cuts on his arm, bruises, his whole demeanor was a very violent guy. And, uh, you know,

had just a very macho you know you had a guest on earlier talking about like the measuring contest that was my dad machismo sort of italian no no offense but you know like had that prideful yeah just it's kind of but he was arrogant you know what i mean so he uh you know was just that type of guy. And his whole demeanor had changed after this. And this was a guy who used to beat me up and abuse me for covering my eyes when there was a violent part in a movie or there was a sex scene.

And all of a sudden, I had just gotten a Nintendo that year for Christmas, and I was the last kid on my block to get a Nintendo, and I'm playing Double Dragon 2, and he goes, what is this game you're playing? This is violent. I'm like, wait, who are you?

Who are you? You're the guy that beats me up for not looking at violent films. So anyways, all this played out. Police come to my house the day before they discovered my mother's body because over the course of this three weeks, I'm investigating my father and I can see his demeanor, like I said, changing. And

he's becoming more and more under duress. Because every night Lieutenant Muspore is coming to the house, knocking on the door saying, I want to talk to the doctor. And I could tell that my father's like, where is this heat coming from? So on January 21st, so this is 1990, my father's like where is this heat coming from so in on january 21st uh so this is 1990 my father says to me he goes he goes you know what um because he was always saying you know your mother's left us your mother's left us we would have dinner he'd be like i wonder what your mom what mommy's doing he would call her mommy mommy's doing now and i'm like you you killed her like what do you mean what she's doing now? I'm going to find her. But he says to me, he goes, I know things have been really rough when you call here since

mommy left us in this state, but I think we should go on this father and son trip. I have a medical conference in Florida and I think we should do a father and son bonding trip. And that's when I knew I wasn't coming back from Florida and I called Dave Massimore the next day when I go to school I said he's going to take me to Florida and I'm not coming back, I'm going to drown in the Gulf of Mexico and that was when they really accelerated the case and morning of January 24th

1992 two members from Child Protective Services come, they wake me up they yank me out of my bed. They say, you've got 20 minutes to pack a bag for you and your sister, an adopted sister that was adopted from Taiwan about six months before my mother was killed. Wow. And I packed her bags.

I said, can I take my dog? They're like, we'll come back for your dog. I never saw my dog again. And I went in to stay with the principal at my school. And that night was the night that they dug up my mother's body. And, um, it was under the house and it was underneath the house, not the house in Ohio,

a house that my father had purchased in Erie, Pennsylvania for cash. Wow. And he had forged my, had his girlfriend forged my mother's name on the, on the documents, on the closing documents, on the deed.

So, um, yeah. And it, uh, I got wrapped up into a whirlwind of what was the largest murder case at that time in ohio history and my father's a doctor my mother's this beautiful woman you know it looked like they had this perfect life but he was a chronic womanizer and an abuser and um uh what ended up happening is i testified at the grand jury and secured my father's indictment, which led to his arrest. And he hasn't been released from custody since 33 years later.

Yeah, he got life with parole. So he's going off parole this year, and he probably will get paroled. I mean, he's 80 now. Um, but, uh, um, so what happened was, is because I was the one who, you know, who put the case on my father, who talked to police, my father's side of the family disowned me. They didn't want anything to do with me. They wanted me to actually go to the cops and tell them I was lying and making all this up. And I was like, yeah, that's not happening. My mother's side of the family, they also didn't want anything to do with me because, um, and unbeknownst to me at this time,

but my father had been accused of molesting their two daughters under the guise of giving them physicals a couple of years prior. Dang. And he, I ended up finding all this out later when I made my film, uh, that he was going to be arrested for that a year before he killed my mother whoa but the girls couldn't testify i mean it's such a traumatic thing for a child to be sexually i mean they were awful yeah they're young and they

were the teenagers but it's heavy yeah but that was taken out on me so my my um my mother's side of the family said we don't want anything to do with you either. And I was remanded to the foster care system. Oh my gosh. And I had to figure out while living in foster care with nobody in my life, adopted sister, was she with you? She was with me. Yeah. Um, you know, she was three years old. Um, I had to, because I was the, the witness against my father at trial. And I, um, I testified for two days at my father's trial for the prosecution. And my father was convicted for the aggravated murder of my mother and abuse of a corpse. And he is still incarcerated to this day. And you were 12 years

old when you testified? I was 12 years old. Wow old wow that is crazy so that night when your mother was murdered if you lifted your head up in that bedroom we wouldn't be sitting here you think he would have killed you 100 i mean let's just keep it real it's it's nothing to make the hole a little bit bigger and say she left with the kid right i mean you're a psychopath it's not like you know what i mean so oh yeah absolutely 100 and i ended up finding out on my podcast i interviewed uh a couple years ago i interviewed my the the judge for my father's trial yeah and he told me that they're they brought someone to court who was my father's fixer in florida so that ultimately would have been the guy that probably would have,

you know, dunked my head underneath the water in the Gulf of Mexico. Wow. Because my father was stalking his ex girlfriends that were down there in Florida that had escaped. Jeez. Yeah. My father was a bad,

bad, bad dude, man. Did you ever have an emotional connection with them? I mean, yes. And, and so therein lies the whole,

there's the rub, right? Because I lose everything in the blink of an eye and I don't know how to, where to even begin, right? But my father who commits this horrible crime, I had to grow up sort of reconciling with all sorts of, you know, obviously heavy, serious trauma, but also, you know, he's the only surviving link that I have to my mother and to my family. And, uh, how do I navigate a relationship with him? Is that even possible? Am I capable of doing something like this even? Because when you grow up in a small town and something like this, because I was later adopted after being in foster care for about a year, I was adopted and I was awarded custody to a family that I didn't really know.

They were in my school system, but I didn't really know them. I met them a couple of times. I wanted to be adopted by the detective who helped me find my mother. We had bonded after the trial, and I thought they were going to try to adopt me, but they were not awarded custody of me. Wait, so why wasn't he able to get custody of you? Well, because two years prior, the judge who was in charge of awarding custody in the children's courts, he had investigated him for some illegal activities. And he held a grudge. And he literally looked me in the eye in the court and he goes, you don't think I'm going to send you to live with the guy who put your dad in jail, do you?

Did you really think that? i got really upset and i left the courtroom and i was like i was just it sucked because it was like i've been through all this i've bonded with a family that really loves me and now i can't even have that wow so i've lost like literally everything right but um you know everything happens for a reason and everything works out the way it should um but uh yeah it was uh it was a tough it was a tough go and you know growing up and trying to sort of reconcile that could i be that person is that in me um that's been a journey that i'm you know that i went on for many years yeah Yeah, and you had to revisit, right, making your documentary, and you went back to interview your dad?

Yeah, so really, so my way, and like I said, I did a TED Talk about this, but my way of dealing with all of this in trauma and my sort of outlook on all of this was immediately, okay, so that next morning that I wake up, okay, I know my mother's gone. I know she's probably not coming back. Okay. So now we're going to go into action and now I'm going to find her and I'm going to put this mother in jail. Right. So I was in action and I talk

about like, you know, a lot of times when you're in traumatic situations, you, you, you get into this, like, why did this happen to me? Why are we at this moment? What did I, you know, why, why, why? And I argue it's no, what now? Like, instead of trying to focus on like understanding, because we as humans are natural empaths, right? Yeah. Just trying to understand like why this affected us. What are we going to do about it that's going to lead us out of this?

Like, what is our action plan, right? And so for me, that was, I'm going to find my mother, right? When I was in high school and, you know, so after this I'm adopted and, um, you know, I was, I stayed in the same community that all of this happened. Wow. So I grew up in Mansfield, uh, in a suburb called Ontario, but you know, it's like Burbank and Glendale.

Yeah. Um, for those of you in Los Angeles, um, but, uh, so I, I, this is the thing when you grow up with this circumstance, like I was, you know, I talk about it now. Like I was like a child actor that grew up because the, the, the trial was televised. So everybody saw me on television testifying against my father. Cause it was a big deal in your town, right? It was a massive deal. And it was on, you know, it was out here on the news. It was all, I mean, you know, if it was a couple of years later and then the internet was around, it would have been a whole different, it would have been a fiasco, you know?

It was like the OJ Simpson trial in our small town. Yeah. So a lot of kids were probably kind of scared of you, right? Oh yeah. And just all of it. And people, you know, I was bullied a lot because of it. I was, you know, but people were also fascinated with me. I couldn't go anywhere without people wanting to come up and talk to me about. And that was a great thing because people would come up to me.

They want to talk and ask me about it. And I'm like, great. You're my therapy. So I'll tell you. to me they want to talk and ask me about it and i'm like great you're my therapy so i'll tell you oh you want to know i'll i'll tell you about it like though standing in a walmart aisle and by the laundry detergent i'm just laying it out these people that they're like oh okay maybe i shouldn't ask this kid like yeah maybe you should leave me alone let me be a kid but i always i was very impassioned from a very young age. And this is long before I even knew what true crime was or any of that nonsense. I realized that we don't examine the impacts of violence on the ancillary victims, the communities, the best friend, the friends of the kids, the schoolmates, the community, the police officers,

everybody else that's involved. The bad guy goes to prison, the victim is dead, the state gets restitution, the gavel hits, and we say next. And we don't really examine that. If we don't look at those consequences, we will not understand how to not have these things happen. Right. Um, you know, and this is now, nowadays it's like, everybody's talking about this, but back then nobody was talking about this, but, um, but I was determined I'm going to get out of this place the first chance I get. And for me, it was music was my thing. I could sing. And so I ended up, uh, you know, I was like, I'm good.

I want to do something with this story and I need to be in a creative environment and a creative atmosphere. So I ended up going to music school for a couple of years. And I said, you know, I don't want to be, cause it was, I just didn't want to do that. And I was like, I want to be in LA and I moved to LA and I came out here with nothing. And I just said to myself, okay, look, I'm going to tell this story because this is my process. Like this is how I'm going to get through this is by doing something with this story. I had no idea what it was. I wasn't going to make a television show. Was I going to be a rock star and blow up and share my story with the world and change people's lives?

Or am I going to be a filmmaker? And I ended up becoming a filmmaker and that was the the thing that I pursued for you know so I came out here when I was 22 21 and um I uh yeah 21 and um it took me a long time but I learned everything I could about filmmaking I worked on really big projects. I worked as a model, and I worked in front of the camera as an actor and that, but I became a cinematographer. There was a film that I had seen when I was 1920 that came out. It was called American History X. It starred Edward Norton, Beverly D'Angelo, Elliot gould and uh edward furlong and edward norton

plays a neo-nazi it's a fantastic film it's one of my top five of all of all time well i gotta check that out yeah that and shawshank redemption which is shot in mansfield as well um yeah it was shot at my hometown as well um but uh well i left the theater with a friend of mine who is who's black and we went to college together and he and he he was, we were just tripping on it. I said, look, man, I said, whoever did that film, whoever made that film, I want to tell, help me tell my story. Flash forward, you know, eight, nine years later, I'm sitting in my office, like tinkering, doing some editing on some videos. And my girlfriend at the time comes in she goes some guy reached out to me on myspace he wants to photograph me yeah but he's a film

producer and i was like oh what's he done she's like oh you did booty call she's reading his movies off the my favorite booty call 11 14 havoc uh but american history so i said american history x and she said yeah and i, we need to meet this guy. And his name was John Morrissey, and he was a producer of American History X. He and I became friends. And I was starting on my filmmaking journey. And we were talking about projects one day, and he wanted to do something really stupid. And I said, no.

I said, I got an idea. I want to do a docuseries about the consequences of violence in America. And the best news is I have the rights to the pilot. And I gave him this book of newspaper clippings that somebody had given me when I was a kid of all the trial and everything, my dad's paroles, appeals, everything. Because my father exclaimed it was my mother's body. I actually gave DNA evidence and had my mother's body exhumed to make sure that that was the case to, you know, when there was the mid to late nineties, because I wanted to make sure all this was actually true. And me along this whole journey, because, you know, I was very angry with my father as a child, but I realized that that would do me no good. And I learned at a very young age, like when I was a teenager, that I needed to forgive my father.

Wow. And I needed to move on. And what I learned about forgiveness is it's not about them. It's about you. Because I knew that if I couldn't let that go in a way that I would never move forward. Right. Yeah. And, um, yeah. So I flash forward to LA and I hand him this thing because I, you know, I was working out here and I had a circle of friends, but nobody really knew my story. People were like, oh, call your son Ohio. Oh yeah, he's adopted. His dad killed his mom. Like that's all they

did. They didn't know any of the stuff that came out in the film. I kept it very, not because I was embarrassed of it, but I wanted to come to a place where nobody knew who I was. And I wanted to know, can you like me for me? Can you like me for the person I am? Or can you dislike me for the person I am? You don't need to know anything about me. I don't want you to feel sorry for me. I want you to be like, oh my God, that story. I want you to be like, oh, I like Collier. He's a cool dude. Or oh, I don't like Collier.

And that became the mission and the driver. So John and I, he reads all this and he goes, I had no idea. This is just like, what the? He's like, what the fuck? And I was like, yeah, this and he goes i had no idea this is just like what the he's like what the yeah and i was like yeah i was like this is my story man it's crazy i told you um and we uh he said you know i've got somebody who i think would be interested in this uh two-time oscar winner barbara koppel who won for two documentaries and we started putting it

together and yeah rest is history and it was And it was, yeah. And you won awards for it, right? Yeah. We won awards and, uh, not an Oscar or anything like that, but you know, I traveled around and honestly, you know, I know you have a lot of people on this show, you know, that have like various levels of, you know, huge financial success and all that. I'm that person who walked through that fire and did that thing that was that like i'm gonna put a bookend on this i'm gonna put a button on this right and i cultivated a relationship and had a relationship with my father while he was in prison and i even so much as like would go into the prison and teach the inmates because they had a production department yeah how to use cameras i helped them order their cameras i taught them editing photoshop all this to curry favor because

i knew i didn't know what was going to happen but i knew i needed my father's cooperation and yeah i made this film a murder man's field i got the cameras in and i was able to finally sit down because like i said I forgave my father. I had gotten to a place in my life where I was comfortable with what happened to me. I mean, it's my reality, right? Everybody's reality is their own. Yeah, perspective. Exactly.

Life is a matter of perspective. No. And I was able to sit down with him and ask the one burning question that I really wanted to know. Why'd you do it? Which is why did you kill my mother? Because he had no reason to. He was, you know,

had impregnated. I have a half sister. Like he had a mistress who was pregnant, who was 25 years younger than him. He was about ready to make up a ton of money. He had just bought a house in another state. Like there was no reason for him to murder my mother. Weird timing. Other than the fact that he's a psychopath.

And that's it. You know what I mean? So it wasn't planned. It was just... It was premeditated. Oh, it was? It was premeditated. No, that's the whole point.

Is he planned it. So there were... So when they discovered my mother's body, they were asking me questions. They didn't tell me like, oh, we found her wrapped in this but they said did you ever see a blue tarp on your on your porch and i was like oh yeah i was like i went with my dad and bought that at kmart that was my mom's burial shroud

wow like i went with my father to a kmart and he bought the blue tarp that he wrapped my mother's body in to bury her underneath the floor uh Blue indoor-outdoor carpeting that was sitting there. Yeah, it was premeditated. I think that's one of the things that people don't understand in the film is that it was premeditated. That my father planned this from the moment that my mother said

he was getting a divorce, he was like, no, you're not doing that. Because his ego. And because people who have psychopathy as part of a narcissistic personality disorder, uh, people who have, you know, psychopathy as part of a narcissistic personality disorder. Yep. Again, I'm not diagnosing anyone,

but the, the, the, the, the, the, the, when those people are the most dangerous is when you say I'm done and I'm

leaving you. That's when they become really dangerous. Yeah. And my father was, you know, and that's the thing is, so when I'm sitting down with him in prison, I pull out this letter that I wrote him and, you know, and that's the thing is, so when I'm sitting down with him in prison, I pull out this letter that I wrote him and, you know, he comes in, he sits down, he's in this very

jovial mood and he's like, oh, bump, my nickname is bumper. And he's like, oh, bump, how are you? I was like, oh yeah, we're just talking about the weather a little bit. And I say to him for the first time, and again, I had seen my father hundreds of times and, you know, had phone calls, interactions, emails. I sit down with him and I say, one of the things I've always been interested in, ever since you murdered my mother. And as soon as I say, ever since you murdered my mother, that's the first time that I ever said that to him. And his whole demeanor changes. So he goes and he just starts to tense up.

And you see it on film. And I said, I'm interested in the consequences of violence. And I, and I pull out this letter that I wrote him when I was 13 years old. And that letter was me asking him to come clean about the murder, asking him because I told him, look, you know, I wanted his girlfriend and my half sister to move on. I wanted my family to move on. I wanted to move on. I was like, I family to move on. I wanted to move on. I was like,

I know you did it. I heard you do it. I just, just come clean. Cause he kept denying it. Right. He's in court denying it. And it's ridiculous.

Even after he was denying it in prison? Oh, he denied it to the parole board. Wow. Oh yeah. And he denies it in the film, but his story has changed because my father testified for, uh, um, on his own behalf and in

you know uh in his trial for like two and a half days and my father is a is a you know pathological liar right and he just gets caught in lie after lie after lie and so when you see in the film like his story is totally different than it was yeah in the trial that's crazy it was in the trial. That's crazy. It was the story that he gave me the morning that she was murdered. But yeah, I read him this letter and I'm really breaking down with it. And I just say to him, and the reason why I had this letter that I sent him is because he had opened it,

he put it back in the envelope and he wrote refused and he sent it back to me when I was 13 years old. Wow. And I kept it. And I said, why did you sent it back to me when I was 13 years old. Wow. And I kept it. And I said, why did you send this back to me? And that's how the whole thing.

And he just broke one last question. Cause I'm curious on this entry. So you forgave him, right? Yeah. Do you think he forgave you? Oh, I don't think so.

No. He still has all that resentment. Um, that's an interesting question, but yes, I do think do think um you know he's gonna probably get paroled this year i mean he's 80 he'll be 81 um i definitely um i definitely wonder that for sure i know that he expressed anger uh after the film yeah and everything and like how it well no i know he just he everything is about him he's a narcissist he's a malignant narcissist psychopath

right and um i know that he had expressed some anger to people but um yeah i think he still feels that there's a betrayal maybe yeah but i think that my father also envies me because he has written me he wrote to the parole board like my son is my role model because he did x y and z it's interesting when that whole role reversal happens in life right yeah where you end up being the responsible parent but you're the child right i mean there's many people that have this maybe not to that extreme but they have these types of relationships with their parents absolutely and um but uh you know the thing is is at the end and i haven't seen him since since i made the film but i get up and i remember i was being interviewed by the new york times and

they were saying a guy says to me he goes he goes there's three minutes there's three seconds in the film that sum up everything i need to know about you i said what is that and he me he goes there's three seconds in the film that sum up everything I need to know about you I said what is that and he goes after your father tells you all these lies and you're sitting there

and you say I don't believe you know I believe that you believe that and then you get up and you hug him and you say I love you pop

he's like I don't know anybody that would ever say that after this man just lies to him and just goes through all this and just bullshits them and won't tell them the truth I was like well

but that tells me what I need to know about you man because you're not him and I was like well that was the whole point of doing it wow the story continues 25 year journey what are you working on next man and where can people find you so I host a podcast the call your landry show i um i work on true crime projects i work

on documentary projects i have a youtube channel i have a pretty large tiktok following you can check me out every social media call your landry at call your landry my youtube channel my uh my tiktok oh we'll link it all below thanks for coming coming on, man. Yeah, man. Thanks for having me. Thanks for watching, guys, as always. See you next time.