Digital Social Hour - Finding His Wife Using AI | Dan Novaes Digital Social Hour #72

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Starting point is 00:00:52 unknown origin at some point i got up to like 63 pills yeah and so i was at 100 million right which was where we met yeah and gary was at the miami one and he's like hey you should check out this thing called bp 157 it's a you know peptide. And he just gave me that little tidbit of information. Right. But then I really dove into peptides and have access to the best doctors in the world. And my doctor in January, I tell him like, Hey, I'm taking these digestive enzymes. I started taking these peptides. Here's why I take them. And he's like, well, Dan, I've never heard about any of these things that you're doing, but if it's working for you, you should definitely keep doing it. Welcome back to the Digital Soul Slower.

Starting point is 00:01:44 I'm your host, Sean Kelly. I'm with my co-host, Wayne Lewis. What up, what up? our guest today dan novias how's it going what's up guys thanks for having me absolutely yeah it's in the building nice to meet you guys so we met at a we met at a mastermind we did three four years ago yeah bonded over getting sim hacked together yes yeah i mean yeah i mean once you get sim hacked you he does create a special bond you know for other people trauma it's worse you lost money wow and then yeah and then you know it's happened twice it happened twice back in the day and then so now it's like you you protect your phone number and yeah uh but yeah we did lose did learned a lot in the first lesson you know

Starting point is 00:02:22 around it uh it was actually a crazy story because at the time, you know, we knew that that was potentially going to happen. So we were cautious about it. But these guys are so clever. And it was kind of before there was a guy that got hit for like twenty five million at the time. But they went through this like flow through Gemini. And it was a very specific flow that you didn't need to go through a two factor. Right. And so, you know, the guys were able to liquidate the account and it was like, you know, it's like 40K or something like that.

Starting point is 00:02:52 And I was like, it's impossible that they were able to go through this two factor because it wasn't tied to a phone number, you know. But they did some hack me to get into the account in the first place. And so then basically I get a call from the CTO of Gemini at the time. And they're like, hey, this only happened to six people in the entire platform. Please don't talk to anyone about it or whatever. And this is like six years ago. Please don't talk to anyone about it. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:03:15 But they covered it. So they did a solid. They just paid you guys off? They did it because it was like a flow in their system. And it's still like the SimHack sucked, obviously, dealing with that. And, like, you know, we've taken a lot of other precautions now on that. But, you know, they did cover it because it was such a unique flow. And it was, like, not our issue.

Starting point is 00:03:34 It wasn't your fault. Yeah, making an announcement like that, you can kill a whole company. They're public, right? Yeah. I mean, again, this happened, like, five or six years ago. They hadn't even started. So talk to me about about mode that's your phone company right yeah yes so uh yeah background is you know we created this software um that uh you know we started out as an app and we basically take everything someone does um on a given day and reward them for it and we had this

Starting point is 00:04:02 whole thesis that you know people spend 40 hours a week on their phone. It's pretty big, too. It looks like an iPhone almost. Yeah. Yeah, it's a six-and-a-half-inch screen, 128 gig. And we built the software that basically, you know, rewards you for everything you do. Thus far, we've been able to help consumers save

Starting point is 00:04:17 and earn about $150 million. Right. And, you know, the underlying thesis is that, you know, your attention is, I mean, if you're spending an entire work week on this device, you can create, you know, a lot of value. Today, there's about a billion iPhones in the world. There's 7 billion smartphones in the world. So there's 6 billion people using Android, most of which tend to be more budget conscious.

Starting point is 00:04:36 Right. And so basically we call it earned phone. I see it as kind of like, you know, the evolution of what happened from TV to smart TV. Right. And so we see like the evolution from smartphone to a new category called earn phone it's not for every person right not every person to do that but um you know we can create a lot of value back to these people and they you know get you know rewards and earn from everything so how do they gain rewards and is the money are they actually getting real money yeah is it is paid in crypto

Starting point is 00:05:03 no it's paid in real money so it's like a real you know revenue generating business um you know we we started out as an app we have over 2.9 million reviews in the play store over 40 million people of you know around the world have downloaded this product 40 million people yeah what's your biggest countries uh us is our most uh most revenue um uh we have a lot of people interested in international ironically like i just got a ping from my team like three hours ago and last night someone tweeted at like 9 p.m from argentina i was like hey i just got paid to play music and the tweet caught and it's at like three million retweets or something so we just had the surge of argentinians like there's like 60 000 people in the last 12 hours. Um, and so

Starting point is 00:05:46 it just kind of shows like there's a, and you think about what's happening in Argentina right now with inflation. I mean, and the thing is like, we provide the services that people are going to do anyway. So we give them free music, uh, free streaming. Uh, we work with a lot of the biggest game companies. So like, you know, a candy crush or whatever. And what we do to align incentive in the model is, you know, these companies, whether it's a financial service company, whether it's a game, they want to create alignment with the user. They want to create habits. So instead of us paying the user just to download an app, we reward the user per minute they play that game. And so that basically creates great retention.

Starting point is 00:06:18 And then you could give higher rewards when they do an in-app purchase or something. For like a bank account, we were one of the biggest affiliates last year for a lot of crypto exchanges. Um, ironically Voyager was one of my largest customers. And, uh, so we're dealing with that, um, that whole suit, but we're going to get some money back. Um, but, uh, you know, and, but, you know, we work with a lot of the neobanks and the way that we'll align value with the customers, like, Hey, you have an account at chase or whatever, but if you open an account at, know stash or chime or whatever um you know they may be willing to pay 200 if you deposit 50 in that account and so then we'll share that revenue back with the user and so basically it's about creating alignment on every facet of your life um so what is the cost per minute that they're

Starting point is 00:07:00 playing like what are you guys planning per minute it varies on the game i mean every game has a different rate so we pay a different rate but that also it's like the higher you pay the more users you're going to get as a as an advertiser and then the lower it is and then the users just choose the thing is like there's so many opportunities for the user but you know if you think about your time and attention your attention is the most important thing you have i mean there's 164 hours a week average lifetime is like 32 000 days if you do the math of the amount of time that you spend on your phone at 40 hours a week the average person today especially like the even it's getting worse on the younger generation it's 16 years of waking hours so if you never slept for 16 hours that's how much time you're spending in front of that phone

Starting point is 00:07:37 and it's only going up right so fundamentally um you know like kind of the business model that we're going after is like while we made this phone and this phone is at Best Buy and Walmart, I'm not really in the business to be a hardware business. We're a software company, and we just created what we call EarnOS on top of this. And now what we're doing is we're licensing this tech similar to what Roku does. you know multi you know 10 plus billion dollar company is they'll work with like a tcl or ca like a tv manufacturer they'll license the roku tech to the the tv maker and where that money is being made and why you see companies that had tvs that were a thousand dollars now they're 99 now there's a new company from the co-founder of pluto that just got like a hundred thousand times for a free tv it's because all the money on those tvs these 50-inch TVs, is made from the advertising and the data analytics. So what we're doing is essentially allowing other phone companies and carriers to launch their own earned phones.

Starting point is 00:08:32 So it's like think about Samsung earned phone, Blue earned phone. And so that's kind of like what I see as a new category in the space, and I think it's a trillion-dollar market because it's much broader. And you can cross over into people watching shows for like earn and watch tv just we do that already we were going to watch video we were going to charge their phone unlock their phone that's crazy so yeah so if i plug this in i mean you can't see it here but yeah if you plug this in it'll literally reward you to charge the device so basically we take every habit that people have and so what's interesting is like right now it's mostly android but i don't know if you guys have seen like what's happening with apple so the eu uh which sometimes

Starting point is 00:09:08 like you know as a as a capitalist you're like you know i don't necessarily like the things that you did because you're like it hurts business but in this case you know i it's like very helpful where they were like hey apple you have this like um umbrella that you're creating and like you you're just not a fair market so now they're having to open up the uh iphone or the ios and uh starting next year they have to unlock a lot of components of the iphone really and so then we should you know pending once that happens we should be able then to be able will allow uh iphone users to turn their iphones into earned phones basically so then it unlocks the entire market and obviously you know the ios market is a much more uh broad you know you know generally kind of like a tier one market in that

Starting point is 00:09:50 sense so we're really excited about it and because there's seven billion phones versus 700 million households with tv it's a 10x the market you know it's 100 billion so they're changing the dynamic and creating more addiction makes sense because people are on their phones so long right yeah why not they're going to be on your phone on their phones even more now because there's more of an incentive well at least they're making money now instead of just yeah yeah you're giving back i mean at the end of the day if you're facilitating thousands of dollars back in people's pockets that creates especially if you think about like you know the people that need it most generally i heard we focus on now but we're kind of moving upstream what we see is like we're kind of moving into now like more middle income households and, especially in the economy that we're in today.

Starting point is 00:10:30 We're generally like people are struggling. There's inflation. There's all these things. And we basically teach people how to earn and save and earn hacks. And we have a lot of hacks that we've been a part of. That is sick. I want to get into health hacks now. Health hacks. So you spent over $ want to get into health hacks now.

Starting point is 00:10:45 Yeah, health hacks. So you spent over $100,000 on health hacks. What did you learn throughout that journey? Yeah, so I mean, I'll give you background. So, you know, and I think that's why we related when we first met. You know, just like you, you know, I've been doing entrepreneurial things ever since I was a teenager, right? I was always a kid that was kind of like, you know, hustling. And, you know, had created a bunch of companies, was very focused on that up until I was about 22.

Starting point is 00:11:10 And I had never gone through a serious health problem. My whole life, I was totally fine, never had any issues. We just focused on the next entrepreneurial thing. Dude, one day, I got so sick to the point that i had to call my parents to come pick me up because i was living in chicago at the time and um i couldn't even like take care of myself and so i went to a doctor doctor doesn't know what i have then i go to a different doctor doctor's know what i have then i go to a different doctor and eventually i go to this doctor that's like uh his i'll never forget this guy's title, his thesis of diseases of unknown origin. And I was like, well, that sucks. Like, you know, I was like, that's not good. Um, so, uh, you know, he,

Starting point is 00:11:50 he kind of looks at it and he, and this is after like two weeks, I've lost 30 pounds. I have crazy headaches. I can't sleep. Like, even though I'm exhausted. Um, and the guy's like, listen, I think that you have meningitis. Um, the only way for us to text, we have to like check and do like a, uh, a spinal tap, but it's not bacterial cause you know, you likely would have passed away. Um, and so, you know, uh, a couple of days, a couple of days later, fever breaks and, uh, you know, I, it took me like two months to feel normal again, but six months later I started having all these like, you know, gut issues, right? Like it's like serious gut issues.

Starting point is 00:12:24 And, um um and it was from all the antibiotics they were just giving me whatever because they didn't know what i had right um and basically uh i i that whole thing created this auto autoimmune issue where i got like ulcerative colitis right and so you know i'm 22 23 now and then it was the first time i'm like wow first i have to take this medication and then i would stop taking medication and all like you know it would get worse each time first I have to take this medication. And then I would stop taking medication and it would get worse each time. And I'd have to take more medication. And so it turned into this thing. And then it started impacting my subconscious and starting to have vertigo symptoms.

Starting point is 00:12:54 And it was this mess. This was all at the same time? This was like 22, 23. Yeah. Yeah, same year, all six months. It was a really tough time. And then you also realize, I'm really thankful for it now because it created so much new perspective of my uh you know of how i was seeing the world um but ultimately uh what i realized is like man like these this is a thing

Starting point is 00:13:15 that's happening i mean it's only getting worse like the next 10 years it has gotten even worse like you know now that i'm 34 um but what i basically was like is like i'm going to figure out a way to uh at least revert or subside these systems and i'm not just going to listen what these white coats are telling me right i should do um and there's a time and place for that um and so i started just diving into so much random things like you know and i was down for anything whether it's stem cells and panama whether it was like fecal transplant whether it's uh ice baths like i found out about wim hof uh like i was in a small group of 12 people in australia uh it was kind of around the time that the device documentary came out and like found out the whole wim hof ice ice method and learned

Starting point is 00:13:55 from when there right and it was a super super early because i was always looking for the next thing um and some of these things i've had really good, you know, opportunities with and essentially opened up new doors. And so, you know, going to these masterminds and stuff like that. So over time, I basically kind of find, okay, this works for me, this works for me, this works for me. And then I had a really big breakthrough. Typically it's through these masterminds, but you know, we're actually, I think you've had Gary Braca on the show, right? And so I was at a hundred million, right. Which was where we met yeah and gary was at the miami one and mentioned and i told him when i you know kind of like this story and he's like hey you should check out this

Starting point is 00:14:34 thing called bp-157 it's a you know specific peptide and he just gave me that little tidbit of information right but then i really dove into peptides and i noticed okay so there's bp-157 a lot of people use it for like muscle tears and you can inject it. Um, and it's a, it's, it's a research grade peptide. It's not something necessarily a doctor can like has to prescribe to you. Um, and, uh, and then I dove in deeper and I found out this company that's called like peptide sciences. And then this whole component, I found these longevity experts and they're like hey um there's this gut inflammation uh like peptide mix right it literally the box says this is for research purposes only do not take it as a human but i'm like i really don't want to take these prednisone and steroids and all these various things i mean that is like it'll it'll fix you

Starting point is 00:15:23 for now but it's like if you think about like a tree that's dying you don't go to the branches of the tree to fix the tree you go to the roots of the tree to see what's happening and so that's everything between diet supplementation whatever so i order the things like 300 bucks a bottle i'm like okay the guy that i you know after gary gave me that little nugget i went to this other guy and he's like look i have a similar issue i take this thing i can't prescribe it to you but you can buy direct you have to pay these guys in the most weird way dude you have to pay their crypto or you have to send it and all that i don't and i don't want to like you know i don't want this actually i would pay any amount of money for this peptide so actually i don't like we should edit out the name of it because i don't want to have an issue

Starting point is 00:16:00 but um anyways buy this this peptide science thing i go on my honeymoon with my wife at times this last year and uh man like it makes this massive difference in my life like it's it's like a this combo mix of these three different peptides and i go to the mayo clinic for my executive physicals right like i have access to the best doctors in the world i'm really proactive about that stuff and my doctor in January, I tell him like my combo mix of like, Hey, I'm taking these digestive enzymes. I started taking these peptides. Here's why I take them. And he's like, well, Dan, I've never heard about any of these things that you're doing, but if it's working for you, you should definitely keep doing it. Right. And it just changed my life,

Starting point is 00:16:41 man, because you have no idea how bad it is. Like every autoimmune disease that people have, but I can relate to it. If it controls your life, if you have no idea how bad it is. Like every autoimmune disease that people have, but I can relate to it, it controls your life. If you can't control it when you have to go to the bathroom, if you have like extreme cramps, you have to get surgery. Like it's an epidemic because of all the glyphosate in our food, all the like chemicals, birth rates are on the decline. But I think that with peptides and also a host of other things, like I'm not saying peptides is the one and all savior, but every entrepreneur that I know, um, every founder, every high performer I know is starting to experiment with peptides. And oftentimes they are these research grade peptides. It's like not for human consumption, but it's because there is a, it's kind of like a, um, it's kind of like a gray area, right? Essentially like they're kind of operating in this zone where

Starting point is 00:17:23 it's like, you know, because it's research grade grade you're allowed to buy it as an end consumer but you're not allowed to prescribe it because the lobbies here with the fda and all those things are so strong but anyways like these life hacks and all that stuff and at the end of the day like you know i pay any amount of money for that because living a normal life is like yeah do you inject the peptide or is it a pill uh no because my issues and like you know in the gut you take it via pill okay so that was what I found out about BUP-157 is you can actually take the pill form. That's way better. But when I found out about these other compounds like tributyrine, that's another thing that's in it, and this one formula, man, it just literally changed my life. And now it's like –

Starting point is 00:17:58 So did you ever find out what you had? Back in the day, it was meningitis. Oh, so it was meningitis. I think. Oh, OK. I would say it's a 95% chance. I have no idea. Did you have to do a spinal top? No. back in the day was meningitis oh so it was meningitis i think oh okay right he's i would say it's a 95 chance i have no idea to do a spinal top no he told me no he told me he's like dude it's well he's like look we can it's extremely painful i don't know what's how does

Starting point is 00:18:15 that work they put a needle in your spine i think so jesus that's my understanding they take some blood from wait we got to try out these peptides yeah i mean so literally i create these little combo things these are like the pill this is my 10 years of experiments bag right so and these aren't those aren't drugs this is for your gut health you take how many of these a day i just do one pack a day now but i i've got one pack yeah just pop all those in once and that and that's after dude this goes in one this is one take that's light this is that's me i'm like literally no way so here's the deal like so you like you know drinks of water and you take one yeah i would rip it now but i like to do it with food you know because it just kind of sits there but i mean that's

Starting point is 00:18:55 actually pretty light because at my max i could do like 50 of these you know these are all natural right yeah they're all natural i mean but it's like this is kind of like my this is what has worked oh this is 17 pills can you send this is what has worked over the years. Oh, this is 17 pills. Can you send me – can you text me these? I want to start buying these. Yeah, yeah. So you take 17 pills every day.

Starting point is 00:19:13 Yeah. I take 30, but I feel like these are way better. No, but so I was up – my max, I was doing AM, NPM. Like my housekeeper, I have all these – every single pill box box has a number and she makes those for me because I customize it and I would try new things and whatever. At some point I got up to like 63 pills and, uh, the only other person that was, uh, was, uh, Dave, um, uh, you know what I'm talking about? Dave, um, Dave Asbury.

Starting point is 00:19:38 He's like the biohacker. He's like the original entrepreneur. And I met him one time at summit and like, he, this guy tastes like a hundred pills a day. And I was like, you know, and I was like you know and i was like you know really into all that but then i was like you know more isn't necessarily better because i was taking so many pills that actually i was having like sometimes if i didn't eat enough i was having like nausea because it would get stuck here but i could rip like 60 of them at once like yeah there's one so you're taking 30 pills a day

Starting point is 00:20:00 i'm taking 30 but they're like vitamins and stuff i feel like this is more more efficient yeah because because basically it's kind of like what I find for me, and every person is different. So what's in these, actually? So basically it's like the orange ones are like a Citrusel, which is super basic, and you can get it at CVS. But we're not getting enough fiber in our diet, and there's two types of fiber. There's typically – there's Metamucil, which is like a wheat-based fiber, but that's actually very inflammatory for a lot of people. And then there's like orange-based. It's like based on the orange peel, and that's what Citrusel. lot of people and then there's like orange based it's like based on the orange peel and that's what citriol so for me that works really well

Starting point is 00:20:28 and i've like experimented with both of them then i have like the peptide the peptide's only one pill right when the guy was like let's take this for two weeks after two weeks you don't notice anything it's not gonna work for you and then so but for me it worked and then once i got kind of like to a you know steady state i brought it down to one So what do peptides actually do? What, what is that? What is a peptides job? So you have peptides in your body, right? And so essentially like, you know, it's, it's, there is something happening in your body that is potentially creating a deficiency. What you're essentially doing with the peptide is essentially is just bringing your deficiency back up to a normal level. Now you may not have a, for that area. Yes. For me. And it's like, and then, and so it's kind of rehabilitating that area, right?

Starting point is 00:21:07 So peptides are naturally occurring in the body, right? And so we're essentially just putting that back into your body. So it's like – So should we all be taking peptides? If you're deficient, right? I mean, I think if you're deficient – look, I'm not a health – I'm a tech entrepreneur. I am a doctor. But I always – like, man, you read these stories, man. I'm not a health entrepreneur. I'm a tech entrepreneur. I am not a doctor. I'm not.

Starting point is 00:21:27 But I always, like, man, you read these stories, man. And, like, there's been some difficult times in my life that, like, you know, you're dealing with, like, such, like, because, you know, everyone's fine. And, like, you're thinking about, oh, like, how can I create more profit? How can I grow? How can I do this? But then when your health is off, whether it's sickness, whether it's an autoimmune, you feel feel that you can't control anything and that also then starts impacting your mental state and then you know i was you know i saw the previous guest talking about like you know gratitude all these things and it's like you know those things i naturally gravitated to but it's all started at this like epitome of like

Starting point is 00:21:56 going through a health scare severe health scare um so i think that like you know take the like i like to take an entrepreneurial approach but when you read these stories there's a lot of people that don't have access to this information. You go to the Midwest, like I grew up in Indiana. It's like, you know, and, and nothing wrong about growing up in the US, but it's just like, you have lack of information and, uh, you know, doctors, you know, you should seek the best, but they're not always like, you know, trained and their, their job is also to mitigate risk.

Starting point is 00:22:23 They're not going to say, so I, I'm a huge fan of like functional medicine and like guys like dr mark hyman and right um of that so i always try and like you know find a balance in between that so how important to these tough times or how important was it to have a support system was your wife there the whole time or uh so my wife and i only got married in june but yeah we've been dating for six years you guys have been for six years how was that being being being married like how is it uh married marriage great yeah i mean well so i mean that was actually another little hack that we were going to talk about but yeah you hacked dating bro early pre pre ai the whole deal pre pre made an algorithm for dating apps so wow so basically and it ultimately led me to my wife uh so that's why i think so you met her on a dating

Starting point is 00:23:04 app i did yeah we met on which one tinder but that's why I think that people are- So you met her on a dating app? I did. Yeah, I met her on Tinder. Which one? Tinder. But here's the thing. Okay, I'll give you the background on this of what ultimately happened. Okay. And now there's so much more opportunity around this because AI is actually good. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:23:15 Like, right? Like, it can actually talk like a real person. I'll tell you what I did because I didn't have that model. So this is like- So you met your wife using AI. Well, not AI. well not not ai i won't say i we were using we weren't so so it wasn't ai it wasn't like what we make ai now but it was automation uh and i wish i had ai it was just it was basically a marketing funnel that's what i would call it my head right and i funneled this unique so okay so here's what we did um so this is like

Starting point is 00:23:47 10 years ago and i noticed these dating apps kind of starting to pop up yeah and i'm like okay i mean everything in this is an algorithm of some sort so the way that i noticed that tinder worked is basically like you know if you create a new account and you had a really well optimized profile like good pictures um you know it would kind of like find this coefficient, um, associated to you and kind of match you with people that are similar to you at that time. Right. And so if you're getting a lot of no swipes, it kind of matched you someone that's also kind of getting that level to kind of find the right level is what was my understanding. So basically what I did is I templatized all these photos as like Tinder topic of the week,

Starting point is 00:24:22 you know, and I created all these various different, uh, templates into my photos as like tinder top pick of the week you know and i created all these various different uh templates into my photos as if tinder was recommending that person in their algorithm that i was like their match of the week of what i could do right it's fun and it's like okay okay so so that was the first part so then i was like wow that like worked because my you know it went up and tied it to the account the next thing i did was like okay um it's a numbers game right and so we just tapped into their private api and just swipe right on everything and then you got all these you know these matches their private api well at the time they weren't like billion dollar companies it was way easier to do you know but yeah we did a lot of those like little hacks when we were running just random social apps like you know you tap into instagram's

Starting point is 00:25:02 private api get anyone the explore page like you know i got cease and desist from facebook like from that but we were you know we were making like four or five hundred k a month like just like you know getting people on the popular edge but the tinder thing i didn't make as much money on but it did change my life on this thing and i saw from a personal perspective here's what happened and um anyways so then I found this really solid conversation opener that no one else did and that it always led to the same outcome. Right. And basically it was a group of emojis that I would send out to some to this person. It was kind of like, you know, sushi, like a guy, girl, sushi, dance, music, present box, question mark equals question mark, all emoji. That's the only thing you send someone read that. And that means kind of like me plus you date food drinks date present box the person would then see it's so new unique no one had did it so then essentially the next thing was like you know

Starting point is 00:25:55 they would either reply an emoji or ask a question then i would have a back one that just said like kind of like you know phone number question mark they would give them over if they got the phone number and then i liked the profile meaning like I saw that this person could be someone I could go with, I would hit them up on Wednesdays. On Wednesdays, you can set it up or I'd hit up on Tuesdays and Wednesdays because then you can set up a Thursday night drinks and there's no commitment, you know what I mean? If it doesn't work out. And so basically I had it down to a funnel and once I would get the phone number, you send that whole thing. So that's basically kind of how I get the funnel of the conversation going and i just automated the whole thing um while getting that and you can go to any

Starting point is 00:26:28 place and essentially already have that because we can then basically change the location at the time tinder didn't have the ability to do that so that's what we did on tinder on like raya you know so raya like six years seven years ago it was i mean today it's still pretty selective so raya for influencers right it's like a celebrity dating app but it used to be really tight like you you can go to like a billions episode like season one and they're mentioning this raya thing and maybe the year or two before it was basically like you had raya in new york and then you had raya in la and then basically it was like there was like 10 everywhere else right it was like and it was all celebrities models like people like entrepreneurs that maybe knew the founders real people it was real people

Starting point is 00:27:08 but it's such a small network right um and now they've turned into business like they're actually making money and all this stuff so what i was like you know and i had a bunch of friends apply before i tried to apply because i and none of them got in and i was like remember thinking like i only had one friend that that was in it and i was like i don't want the risk, you know, in my profile and not get in there or whatever. So I was like, I can figure this out. And this is also six years ago. Times are different. But you could get, we had like a verified Instagram account.

Starting point is 00:27:34 And at the time, you could change the username of that account. So I found a celebrity that didn't have an Instagram, changed the username to that person and applied as like a, like a 65, 70 year old person, right. That I knew was never going to have like go on Raya. Cause like happily married, they're 75, whatever famous person though, got right in within 10 seconds. So I get in and now it's, uh, you know, this person with a name that's not even me, uh, and, but my photo and it says I'm like 77 like you know what i mean and so i'm then on these places but being 77 and looking like me people were just like this guy must have the health formula of the century so it actually became its own conversation started because people were like are you actually 77 and i'm like no i think it's a bug in the system but in my head i'm like

Starting point is 00:28:21 yeah i hacked it in here and that's how i'm in it so i match with like a list of some of the biggest pop singers like what else so at the end of the day why was i doing this it just opened up the door to new opportunities right and you know uh i wasn't trying to get in a relationship like you're you know i was single and i wasn't thinking about that but for me and ultimately what led me to my wife is that we did meet on tinder and we just had a casual relationship for a year year and a half and you know and it was like you know uh like we were friends we would hook up and stuff like that but it was ultimate transparency in our relationship and after about a year and a half like we had this very deep conversation um and what brought us together was really our grandparents like it was like and i was like

Starting point is 00:28:59 because i would just see her more as fun right which we had so much fun uh but then you're like wow this person's so deep and i didn't want to miss out on that so we started dating and uh yeah man like five years later you know we got married in june so all started but we did all the opposite things you know like you know hook up the first night a year and a half of like you know wait so y'all y'all hooked up the first night first night all the way or just got it popping no he said they got it popping wow yeah yeah it was just it was like even in our wedding vows like we got we got married in last june and like people were like came to my wedding it was a pretty small wedding because it's still kind of on the brink of like

Starting point is 00:29:34 you know covet and you know not and um but all my friends were like that was the most transparent transparency vow because we literally said that she because my wife lived with me and five entrepreneurial friends and like a house that we have in chicago it's called the fun house that's like 7 000 square foot all entrepreneurs and uh you know kind of like is that a commune it's like no it's not a commune like we just live this way so we just live by our own ways of being right and i think that that's like why me and my wife like have always been so close to one another um and it's because like you know the relationship starts with a basis of trust transparency we won't pretend to be something that we weren't um and we live life by our own kind of like she loves the norms truly

Starting point is 00:30:13 are yeah and i the same but it's like we have norms in relationship you know i think that you know uh so you asked me like how is this being married things haven't really changed because i mean we try and be proactive about that you know like entrepreneurs have board meetings with their you know found like with their team or or team meetings you know very rarely do people have like hey what's your like monthly spousal check it's almost like a board meeting right and you talk and you evolve and you do all these things but you know we like to live life in in in that way right and that was kind of like you know where it all started but it all started on Tinder with the bot man. That's dope.

Starting point is 00:30:46 Yeah. But now that you have AI, like people can crush that because they can have the conversation, man. Saves so much time. It's like dating now is like so amazing.

Starting point is 00:30:54 If you use GTP4 and whatever's happening, like, you know, your life would change. Yeah. You could fully automate the whole convo. You wouldn't even have

Starting point is 00:31:02 to talk to them until you meet them in person. Yeah, exactly. Because it can arrange the date for to them until you meet them in person. Yeah, exactly. Cause it can arrange the date for you at this point. Exactly. Then. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:31:11 We had to do it the old fashioned way. Why do you think a lot of people struggle dating entrepreneurs? I don't know, man. I think it's, I think, I mean, I've never been on the other side. I've never really did an entrepreneur as being an entrepreneur.

Starting point is 00:31:22 I think it's, um, it's difficult. Cause like, you know, you're you're uh i think like why entrepreneurs are sometimes difficult today is that at least i know for myself so i'm thinking for myself people think about work as like a thing they have to do right um i try and relax and you know i i like relaxing but like like this is like what i love doing it's like my creation it's like my art like i i love it more than anything i sure there are parts of it i hate

Starting point is 00:31:49 there are things i just do not like to do but i try and do those as least as possible but whether it's a stress or is the creation like i just love it you know but it's almost like you're it's like i want to always talk about it i always want to and like my wife always says like you know it's like damn like you should really not um it. I always want to. And like my wife always says, like, you know, it's like, damn, like you should really not, um, try not to talk like,

Starting point is 00:32:08 you know, there are other topics that people may want to talk about besides business. And so I think like, you know, people have to kind of relate to that. And that's why I would say maybe it's difficult to date an entrepreneur because of those.

Starting point is 00:32:17 I'm like that too. My girl was always like, do you have to talk about business all the time at dinners? But it's not business. It's like, it's just lifestyle. It's just creation. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:32:24 It's a normal thing. It's hard to lifestyle it's just creation yeah it's a normal thing it's hard to turn it off for real yeah it doesn't feel like work yeah but i think most people have a they kind of struggle with dating entrepreneurs because um entrepreneurship is viewed on social media as like this island this cool place i mean it's really cool sometimes but like you said like it's dark it's dark times soon and people struggle with that because they realize like it's a lot of work that goes into it you know people paint a picture that it's all roses dude

Starting point is 00:32:52 and it's it's look I wouldn't choose it to do anything else but at the same time like you know things like this past 12 months like it's been the most like you know on the economy and the whole thing like do you know how many entrepreneurs have been the most like you know on the economy and the whole thing like do you know how many entrepreneurs have had had the most treacherous

Starting point is 00:33:07 times i've ever had an entrepreneur if i didn't have the health scare like i don't like you know my mental state it was a difficult as is and i've already had other things like whether it was like you know gratitude practices other components like health scares because then you realize hey things would be way worse right but at the time, like that shit gets you because this thing is not, it's not that it is me. It is not me. Like my company is not me, but it's like, you're a little baby, you know? It's like you, anything that you could do for this, like thing that's growing, you're always going to do the best. So, you know, but if you can keep a level head around it, that's why it's like entrepreneurship, the game is like a game of a steady state head and and like you know staying positive but also staying rational right right at the same time

Starting point is 00:33:50 because that's the other problem there's like toxic positivity where you're just like living in delusional delusional state of affairs and that is like also a big problem yeah dan it's been a blast man that was great any closing thoughts uh no man i i you know thank you for having me here guys i really appreciate it i'm gonna send you guys some mode earn phones yeah i'm gonna go yeah yeah you said they're at walmart and stuff yeah they're walmart best buy um or you can just go to modephone.com um but we are uh we're also launching uh i'm taking this we're doing kind of mini ipo where we're making all of our users or millions of user shareholders in our company and so my goal here in the next like three or four years is to take this

Starting point is 00:34:25 company public with over a million investors because every person that's a user in there, we give them micro shares. And so that's why we're registering now at the SEC to do something called this reggae plus that allows us to, to basically make that a reality and then make every person in our community an owner in this model. That'd be unique for sure. Wayne, what about you?

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