Digital Social Hour - From 60K to 600K: How MLB Salaries EXPLODED (Hall of Famer Tells All) | Jose Canseco DSH #723

Episode Date: November 26, 2024

Jose Canseco's 60-year journey 🚀 From baseball legend to poker pro! Discover the untold stories and shocking revelations in this must-watch episode 🔥 Tune in as Jose Canseco shares mind-blowing insights on his baseball career, steroid use in sports, and his transition to professional poker. 🎭 You won't believe his psychic poker experiences and the truth about the Baseball Hall of Fame! 🏆 Learn why Jose calls it the "Hall of Shame" and hear his candid thoughts on former teammates and rivals. Plus, get the inside scoop on his daughter's poker skills and his views on the education system! Don't miss out on this explosive conversation packed with valuable insights and controversial opinions. Watch now and subscribe for more eye-opening stories on the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly! 🎙️ Join the conversation and discover why Jose Canseco remains one of sports' most polarizing figures. Hit that subscribe button and stay tuned for more insider secrets from the world of sports, entertainment, and beyond! 🌟 #mlb #philgalfond #livepoker #pokerhalloffame #highstakespoker #unlikelyentrepreneur #mlb #livepoker #pokerhalloffame #pokernews CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:59 - Jose Canseco 08:15 - Jose Canseco Hall of Fame 13:29 - Steroids Hall of Fame 16:55 - Derek Jeter 19:38 - Change at 60 20:14 - Baseball Skills 23:17 - Luck in Poker 26:43 - Education Importance 29:20 - Financial Literacy 31:03 - Last Fight 33:40 - Hall of Fame Voting Process 34:53 - Fan Involvement in Voting APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail] GUEST: Jose Canseco https://www.instagram.com/josecanseco/ LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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thing that happened to me. My pocket aces are going to get knocked out by pocket tens. She knows when I say this, it happens. Daniel Stryker raises, position one or two pushes all in. I call the all in, Daniel Stryker folds. I look over to the guy and I go, you got pocket 10s don't you? He goes, yeah, how do you know? Because I got pocket Ases. He's gonna get knocked out of the tournament

with pocket Ases against pocket 10s. Guess what happens? All right guys, Jose Konseko here. We're gonna talk some crazy poker stories today, aren't we? I've got some serious crazy, the craziest poker story probably in the world with 12 witnesses. As a matter of fact, a person that was there,

Daniel Stryker, called Negrano and told him what happened to me. And he said it was impossible. Let's dive into it, man. Let's dive straight into it. So I don't know. People know I've been playing poker for about 42 years. I'll say I'm 60 years old. Very old. So while you were an athlete, you were playing. Yeah. OK. Yeah.

Of course, we play on flights. We played the clubhouse before the games, usually on rain outs on flights, of course, the major level and a lot of money transpires in those poker games. I remember one time losing to Reggie Jackson a 45 minute flight, I think it was $55,000. So yeah, I mean, absolutely we play a lot of poker, been doing it for a long time.

I played against, you know, Ivan Negrena the whole combination, the whole group of the professional players. And, you know, done okay, done okay. But I'll tell you one story that happened to me, and I think this is probably gonna be unbelievable, but I do have 12 witnesses that will verify and validate this. There was a point in time where a lot of problems

with pocket aces, So every time I would have pocket aces pre-flop all in heads up, I lose every single time to the point where it was 11 in a row where pre-flop heads up, I lost with pocket aces 11 in a row. Friends of mine will validate and verify this. One time I had pocket aces and I mucked them. I threw them away. The person who pushed all in, flopped a straight. Would have been 12 times in a row. Now I'm gonna tell you about pocket aces,

a story that you're not gonna believe. But if you doubt it, let's get the witnesses, let's bet some money on this, you're gonna see how wrong you are. So I had an issue with Danielle Stryker who writes books on poker. She puts a lot of poker, she knows me. And at times people know me for being able to

see unusual things. So one time I was in a poker tournament with Danielle Stryker and I was in position, I think seat two or three, she was in eight or nine. And as soon as I sat down, remember I was already having a lot of problems with pocket aces. As soon as I sat down, I blanked out.

When I blanked out, I see right in front of my face, my pocket aces, I'm being knocked out of the tournament. I have pocket aces, the person that beats me have pocket tens. I woke up out of this weird thing that happened to me. I kind of stand up and tell Daniel Stryker, hey, Daniel, guess what? The same crap's happened to me again.

I can see some visions and some kind of stuff. My pocket aces are gonna get knocked out by pocket tense. And I said it louder than that so the whole table can hear me. And of course the whole table heard me. They thought I was crazy and stuff like that. But Danielle Stryker looks at me and goes, oh my God, here we go again. She knows when I say this, it happens a hundred of a hundred times automatically happens. Wow. We start the tournament. Now the tournament obviously you get about an hour and a half of the

rebuy. So obviously, so I get knocked out one time. And I think people understand tournament structure. There's probably a hundred players there. So usually when you got knocked out, when you want to reenter rebuy, when they give you a ticket, usually most of the time they give you a different seat. Yeah. I get knocked out, they give me the same seat again.

I'm like, okay, still a rebuy period. I get knocked out, they give me the same seat again. Now I'm like, okay, this is obviously an omen. I'm supposed to be in this position because I already told you guys, my pocket aces are gonna get knocked out by pocket tens. And I keep telling the whole table this obviously think I'm crazy.

No more rebys. Now obviously it's time to play poker. I get two cards, they're pocket aces. True legit, I'm gonna tell you exactly how it happened. Goes around, I think Daniel Stryker raises, position one or two pushes all in, I call the all in, Daniel Stryker folds. I look over to the guy and I go,

you got pocket tens, don't you? He goes, yeah, how do you know? Because I got pocket aces. We told him down the cards, pocket aces against pocket NBA, has your back all season long. From tip-off to the final buzzer, you're always taken care of with the sportsbook Born in Vegas. That's a feeling you can only get with BetMGM. And no matter your team, your favorite player, or your style, there's something every NBA fan

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your unused data roll over to the following month, every month. At Fizz, you always get more for your money. Terms and conditions for our different programs and policies apply. Details at Fizz.ca. Everybody's thinking, oh my God, he just said a while back ago he's going to get knocked out of the tournament with pocket aces against pocket tens. Guess what happens? Flop comes out in the window, a ten, I'm out of the tournament. Wow. Think about what I just said. The odds of that. Daniel Strecker calls in the grano, explains to him what happened, he goes, that's impossible.

The only way that could have happened if he saw the future, I said, that's exactly what happened. 12 witnesses were there, players and two other, and literally, they were speechless. And a couple of them turned stone cold white. True story. You can't make that up. That is nuts.

So have you always had these visions? Yes. So do you think you're kind of psychic in a way though? No. You're only psychic if you can control them. Like for example, one time, the first time I met Daniel Stryker, we made a poker tournament. We just sat next to each other. We started talking.

I said, watch this. I'm going to show you something. Every time I get a pocket ace in my hand, I'm not gonna hit it for like 35 times. I'm never on the flop nothing, 35 times exactly. You can call her and verify it. Strangest thing I've ever seen in my life. So you have some curse with pocket aces. Yeah, but here's another funny thing.

At times I can tell what each person's holding and what they have. Wow. But it doesn't matter because it's uncontrollable. You can't control it. So it kind of just happens in random moments. It kind of just happens, but the problem is you can't control a flop turn or river.

That's why I believe in poker anybody can win. Even if you know the opponent's cards, you may have a slight percentage, but controlling the flop turn or river is impossible. Because you could be up 20% and still lose. Doesn't matter. It's irrelevant. Did you get these visions with baseball too?

Like you would picture yourself hitting a home run or something? No, I wish. It's only with numbers. Only with cards, only with numbers. Interesting. Wow. As a matter of fact, there's another one you can look up. Caesar's Palace, I have a record.

I lost 21 hands in a row on blackjack. Wow. Dealer pulled 11 blackjacks on me. What? Never played blackjack again. That was 2000. Never played blackjack again. That was 2000. Never played blackjack, not even one hand again. Not even for fun, never.

That's how traumatizing I am with blackjack. That's the odds of that happening. You can't make it suck. The odds of losing 21 times in a row has to be like points. And the dealer putting 11 blackjacks on you. Yeah, it has to be like 0.001%. Impossible. So, definitely I don't play blackjack anymore.

I love poker, but I still live off it. So do you only stick with bad. I love poker. I still live. Yeah So do you only stick with poker in terms of gambling? Mm-hmm. No backer at or no Only poker. That's it. And would you say you're up or down on poker? Overall I Would say I might be close to even around there. Yeah, I don't play the high six. I never Part of the part of the problem I had with pocket aces that I was hired one time to be a ringer in the Bahamas, believe it or not, to play against multi-millionaires.

And I lost, I think, seven or eight times in a row, pre-flop all in pocket aces, head-to-head. This is different from the 11 times? No, this is the continuous of the 11 times total, yeah. Dude, that is traumatizing. So here's what's gonna happen. If I were you guys, I'd note this, because tomorrow, if I get pocket aces preflop all in the person get knocked out You're not gonna laugh. You're gonna say oh my god. This is ridiculous. That's great. And

Ironically enough happens a lot. Yeah, it's hopefully we'll see what that's not man. Well, congrats on the Hall of Fame stuff I just thank you. Thank you nominated. How does that process work? It was a great process. I don't know how it worked. I know how I finally got in but yeah, it's been a while on the Hall of Fame stuff I just saw you get nominated. How does that process work? It was a great process. I don't know how it worked. I don't know how I finally got in. Yeah, because it's been a while. Oh my god, 20 some odd years.

It took some of the players 20 some odd years. So I figured they'd have to let this steroid scandal kind of die down and stuff like that. But yeah, to that time I was with the A's with 86 through 92, we had a great team. I did well I mean, we had a great team. I did well for them. We had a great team. We went to the World Series three times.

We won one. So, I guess better late than never, but I enjoyed it completely. It was a lot of fun. That's awesome. Do you think there's more steroid use now or in your generation? Oh, my generation, obviously.

Oh my God, my generation, 80, 90%. Listen, the players were on it, the pitchers, infielders, outfield, ump were, listen, the players were on it, the pitchers, infielders, outfield, umpires were on it, coaches were on it, everybody was on it. Wait, the umpires were on it? The fans were on it, everybody was on it. No, I mean, it's a exaggeration, but oh yeah, it was part of the game back then.

Today, I don't think so, I don't think it's worth it to be on it now. Yeah, because they drug test you how often now. I think there's a three strikes, you're out kind of combination the first time to give you a slap in the hand or yeah So they're gonna test you at least in spring training and maybe two or three times during the season I don't know where that test result is gonna go to I mean

It's kind of kind of like an internal testing process that they have so and it's random though. They don't tell you when the test Random and you know so many things go on yeah, for example. Let's say Frog I'm sick. Oh tiny gets tested positive for a substance. Nobody's gonna say anything And you know, so many things go on. For example, let's say, for argument's sake, Ohtani gets tested positive for a substance. Nobody's gonna say anything. He's the face of baseball, or Judge, he's the face of baseball. Obviously, if they find something,

they're gonna have a little meeting with him, or with his agents, or his attorney on the sofa, listen, this is what we found. Hopefully, we don't find it again, give him a chance to clear it. Your teen requested a ride, but this time not from you. It's through their Uber Teen account. It's an Uber account that allows your team to request a ride under your supervision

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Yeah, I don't think that will be a problem anymore. Not as prevalent. No, I don't think it's problem. And how much do you think it enhanced your ability? Say you had 10 home runs one season and then you took it the next season. I don't know because I'll tell you a funny story. This is weird.

The year I was off steroids, which was your 1998 when I was with the Toronto Blue Jays, I actually hit 46 home runs the most I'd ever hit. Whoa. Yeah. So that's the year I was the leanest, 228 pounds. Usually I was playing about 250. Yeah.

And that's the year I hit the most home runs. So it doesn't make you an athlete. It doesn't give you hand-to-hand coordination. What it really does is it maintains the same strength that you come into spring training because it's such a long season. Spring training is like 25 to 30 games, the season 162, playoffs and world series,

like about 220 games a year. That's a lot of games, a lot of wear and tear, a lot of traveling. So it doesn't give you athletic ability, but I will say what it really does is maintain your strength during the whole year. And back then, trainers would use it for athletes or baseball players because their main job is,

if you get injured, is to get you off that injured list or disabled list back then, get you back playing. So does it help you recuperate faster, develop muscle tissue faster? Absolutely, yes. So for us as athletes, it wasn't about our size our size. It was about a recovery and maintaining what we came with the spring training. Wow, that's interesting. Yeah, I just assumed it made you

stronger and you would hit more runs. What it does is it helps to maintain that strength that you come to spring training. Yeah. Through the whole entire year. Got it. So if that's the definition of making you stronger or keeping you stronger, yes. That makes sense. So it helps prevent injuries in a way. I don't know if it helps prevent injuries,

but I know it helped you recover from injuries faster, especially with muscle tears and so forth. Yeah, wow, that's interesting. So I wonder if a lot of the old NBA guys were on it too. I will say back then, in the 80s and 90s, in every sport, you got track and field, you got football, obviously baseball, you've got hockey.

I mean, I think every sport in general, NBA, I think every sport in general was using it, absolutely, why not? It wasn't really legal against any regulations, so why not? Yeah, because basketball was way more physical back then. Well, basketball was physical, but again, a lot of wear and tear on the body. And people associate steroids with size.

Not all steroids give you size. For example, sprinters. For example, cyclists. A lot of it is for lean muscle mass. A lot of it, some type of steroids, some type of bronchial dilator and so forth give you more oxygen to the actual muscle, which enables you to grow muscle faster, yes,

but I think power lifters and bodybuilders give steroids a bad name because they're such big, strong guys. So their main thing is putting on bulk and really abusing those type of chemicals Athletes in general depending on your sport it was more more about maintaining what you already have wasn't about building and bulking up Yeah, that makes sense So I saw you tweet about the Hall of Fame and you knew of some players that were taking steroids Well, obviously the Hall of Fame has inducted five or six players that I know personally and they know I know who they are

And just a Hall of Fame know you think or they don't know? Oh everybody knows I think obviously the Hall of Fame knows obviously players know I know they know fans know. The only thing I say is that Major League Baseball shouldn't be or the voting system shouldn't be so hypocritical because either you let them all in you literally none of them. Does that make sense? Right. That doesn't make any sense to cherry pick and hand pick individuals that tested positive for steroids or that I injected personally myself and came out in my book, let them go into the Hall of Fame when other players just on suspicion alone are not in the Hall of Fame with incredible stats. Right. That's what I'm saying. Be even with all,

be equal with everybody. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, because I remember Barry Bonds didn't get in, right? That was a big deal. That's ridiculous. I mean, how can Barry Bonds not get in? How can Mark McGuire not get in? How can Alex Rodriguez not get in?

Sammy Sosa. I mean, there's so many players that are in the 600 home run club or upper echelon 500s. Cy Youngs, MVPs, way better stats than the players that were inducted in the Hall of Fame now that use PDs. It doesn't make any sense. None at all. It makes no sense at all.

But of course, the hypocritical system that Major League Baseball uses is out of control. Absolutely. But I don't see, I don't think it's a big deal to be in Major League Baseball Hall of Fame Because it's so corrupt and so hypocritical. It's starting to make no sense Really really not something no sense anymore I could see that because the NBA Hall of Fame holds a lot of weight But I don't really hear about the Baseball Hall of Fame that often to be on well because because now they're there

They're having individuals vote with personal issues towards players. For example, if the Hall of Fame voting was constructed through a computer, the criteria are being put into this computer, then the player stats are being put in with no emotions, with no agendas. The Hall of Fame structure will be completely different. Some that are in would not be in, and some that are out would be in. The problem is that you're getting a human influence

behind the voting, which makes no sense, because now comes in agendas, if you like somebody, if that person turned you down for an interview back then 10, 15, 20 years ago, and you hold the grudge against them. So the Hall of Fame has become a shambles, it's become a shame just because the human influence in it. Just rename it to the Hall of Shame. It should be the Hall of Shame.

Well it should be the Hall of Shame because again there's many instances where Major League Baseball has shown its hypocrisy. The last one of course is inducting four or five players that everyone knows. They tested positive for PEDs and are still in the Hall of Fame. Meanwhile, some of the greatest players of our era are not in the Hall of Fame. It makes no sense.

It's so stupid that when you really look at it, if you know baseball, and you really look at what I'm talking about, yeah, he's right. It doesn't make any sense. The Hall of Fame is not the Hall of Shame. Shame is stupid right because the hypocrisy behind it's not because who the players are in that's fine It's because the way that the way the system is being run the hypocrisy behind it That's what it really is. Where do you stand on Derek Jeter in the Hall of Fame because you tweeted out? He's the most overrated shortstop. He's still a Hall of Fame player, but he's still I mean people say that

He's the greatest shortstop ever. No, he's not. I mean, he's top five. He's a great shortstop He definitely belongs in Hall of Fame 100% but he's not the top shortstop ever I mean Alex Rodriguez, even though I didn't even like Alex, you know that Alex doesn't like you His stats are ten times better than than Alex Rodriguez to me is the best shortstop in history Wow in every category he blows everybody away. And you're sitting here saying that even though you hate him. It's a fact. You can't, you know.

You don't let your personal. This is water. It's a fact. No, I like that. Fact, guys, I'm sorry, but it's a fact. Cell phone is a fact. I'd be stupid to say this is a rhinoceros. No, stupid.

Well, I like that you stay objective because some people let their personal lives bleed into facts. No, no. You asked me about his stats. Now you asked me about him personally. He's an asshole. He's an idiot.

And I can't stand him. But now you're talking about his stats, his performance are incredible. Absolutely, yeah. Is there ever a world where you and him make up? No. You think it's too far gone? No, I don't even want to deal with it.

First of all, I don't deal with people of his level of his consistent ignorance and stupidity and his constant narcissism. The man can lie like you wouldn't believe. The man is crazy. Everybody knows him will tell you the same thing. So no, I can't do you're talking about the steroid thing. I'm talking about everything in general, his personality in general. Yeah, absolutely. He and you know, I know she was 17 years old Wow Yeah, did you see the fame get to him and change him? Absolutely 100%

He used to be the nicest guy the one he signed this big cut As a matter of fact, I'm the one that told him to go to Texas I was friends with his family's mom everybody go to Texas hear them out They have a brand new stadium to have a lot of money. They want to invest in a face for the franchise to Texas, hear them out, they have a brand new stadium, they have a lot of money, they want to invest in a face for the franchise. Before they sign the deal, his mom calls me. I said, Jose, you wouldn't believe,

in Spanish, of course, she speaks Spanish. He goes, Jose, you wouldn't believe, how much money they're gonna offer Alex. I said, how much? She goes, 252 million for 10 years, to take the deal right now. Do not walk out and take it, and they did the deal on the spot.

So yeah, I mean, I know a lot about Alex. And he knows I know a lot about Alex. And he knows I know a lot about Alex. Remember me a heart. Hmm. I love I love messing with him. He's such an idiot. He's a punk. But if he came out and apologize to you with that makeup for he would never do it. You don't think narcissistic people don't don't apologize and they don't realize when they're wrong. Yeah, they don't care. He's never reached out to you. No, better not. No. Wow. Damn, because you guys were really close. Yeah, absolutely. No. Yeah, no, that's crazy

And I've never seen you talk negatively about anyone else Truth hurts. Yeah, that one must have really You guys were best friends at one point, right? You were like a mentor almost absolutely and wow So having just turned 60 is there anything you're looking looking to switch up in this next phase of life now? Stop getting older. Try to slow down the aging process. You look good for 60 months.

No, I don't feel it. I feel pretty good. But of course, you're 60. You got to take care of yourself, work out, stop. Try to slow down the aging process, and just continue looking at everything positive and having fun in life. Nice.

I get involved a lot with poker, charities, speaking engagements, homeroom derbies, bowling. I try to stay active as much as possible. And I think that's the only thing you have when you get older, 50, 60, 70 years old, 70 is to stay active. What's the most high score in bowling you've ever had? 289.

Damn, that's almost a perfect game. That's a long time ago. So you're nice though. I got about 210 average. 210 average, Damn, that's almost a perfect game. That's a long time ago. So you're nice. You're nice though. I got about 210 average. 210 average, dude. That's no joke. Yeah, but it's still hard.

That's almost professional level. No, it's not. Don't they bowl like- I think the pros are 230 average or something. So you're close though. Too far away. Too far away. Was baseball always the sport you were most dominant in growing up?

Actually, I love ping pong. Ping pong. I love to play ping pong. We're gonna have to play that together. I used to play in China. Yeah, really? Yeah. But baseball, I mean, I wasn't, when I was little, when I was a kid, I was, I was, people

weren't gonna believe it, I was a shrimp. You were a shrimp. I'm six foot four, six foot four and a half, 260 pounds. I was a shrimp when I was a kid. I was the smallest, the weakest, the skinniest. In high school, I think I graduated five, 10, 160 pounds. Whoa. So yeah, and parents wouldn't let me play football.

They thought they were gonna kill me. And then I had the weirdest latest growth spurt after high school. That was crazy. As a matter of fact, you're gonna find something ironic is that when I was in the major leagues, when I first came into the major leagues, I was six three and I had a size 12 shoe. I'm now six foot four and a half and a size 14 shoe. Whoa. So I'm actually kind of still growing. So you kept growing after your 20s. Weird. Yes.

That is unheard of, dude of it usually shrink at your age Yes, interesting genetic interesting to know are your kids tall well my daughter Josie supermodel yeah Josie Kinseko So she's gorgeous looks like her mother. She's got my height my belt very muscular, but with her mom's looks Wow You got the perfect combination that got you to get my looks She's yeah, she's beautiful. Nice. You got one kid. Hmm. You only have one kid one dog. Yes Nice, but I know of only Charles are tough. I heard yeah, they get a little spoiled sometimes. Yeah, I mean, she's a good girl She's actually very level-headed very smart very streetwise. Nice. Very good. Yeah, I'm an only child too. Yeah. Yeah, it's tough though Yeah growing up around people with siblings and oh, yeah kind of a lonely world sometimes. Yeah. Oh, I guess it's sometimes it could be lonely no matter who you are.

And sometimes it could be overbearing, overbearing attention. So you have to kind of balance both. Right. You taught her poker at 10 years old. First time I taught her poker, she played poker tournament at my house and the buy-in was, I think it was 500. It was, I put her in. That's a lot for a 10 year old. Yeah, no, and it was two tables and she actually won the tournament. She won like $8,000.

Damn. She won the tournament and, but she's very lucky. She knows the basics of the actual game, but she's very lucky, had a great time, and all of a sudden now she loves poker. So she plays in this event, several events, but she loves to play poker now. Nice, pass it down, man. She'll teach her kids.

You better have some luck to win this game. I'll tell you that. So don't bet on me to win. Even if I'm gonna win on myself tomorrow, but don't bet on me. How much luck do you think is needed in poker? I would say, I mean, I've been playing poker for a very long time.

I would say luck beats skill any day. Wow. Any day, obviously. To be honest with you, I've played against the best in the world. I kind of see poker being as probably 60% skill and 40% luck. Okay, 64. But if you have luck, it's gonna beat skill any day. Because obviously you can't control a flop turn or river.

And that's why people have to look at it this way. 30-40 years ago, how many entries were in the World Series of Poker? 40, 50, 100? Now, since people are starting to realize, learn the game, learn the math, learn the structure of the game, every year now we're having 13,000, 14,000 people, 10,000 a pop. Because anybody really realizes with $10,000 common skills and luck, you become a millionaire. And that's the way it is. That's what everybody's taking a shot at now.

Yeah. Do you use those solvers or the programs, or do you just play old school style? I've seen a bunch of the things. You cannot get locked into one strategy because other players are smart. They'll figure it out. So for me, you have to be consistently inconsistent in this game.

But also one of the biggest things is your hands have to hold up. It's like I said, your hands have to hold up. You can have the best hand possible. You can trap opponents left and right. These opponents can hit one out or two outers on you, hit runner runners, and you're gone. That's the way the game is structured.

You gotta have a little bit of luck. Who do you consider as the goat of poker? You're friends with these guys, so. Probably the Griner Ivy. One or two, I think because they're consistent grinders, I think because they're well known in the game, they're great for the game to promote the game incredibly well. They have the most wins. Helmuth. Phil. Phil Helmuth. Phil Helmuth. I would

love to play against him. I can arrange that. I mean, he's six five. I actually like him. But man, that guy talks auth. I would love to play against him. I can arrange that. I mean, he's 6'5". I actually like him, but man, that guy talks a lot. I would love to play against him. He's just funny. It'll be the Clash of the Titans. I'm 6'4", 5.5". He's 6'5". That'll be funny to play against him. I'll set that up if you want. Yeah. But he plays pretty high on those heads up, I think like a hundred thousand bucks or something. Yeah. I mean, those guys are good for the game. They're entertainers. I think the game Obviously needs guys to promote them. They need entertainers. They need characters. They need the healed. They need the good guy Need the guys that talk a lot the serious guys. Yeah What's your style you talk a lot you you talk shit? Um, no, no, not really unless

I've had a playing poker terms before and somebody will be staring at me looking at the phone. Yeah. Are you Jose Canseco? And I'll be like, yes. He'll go, no, you're not. I'll go, no, I'm not then. And if I say I'm not Jose Canseco, yes, you are. Yes, you are Jose Canseco.

I'm like, so you can't win. I've had a lot of guys kind of, cause they love playing against me. The problem is when I play, people love to get in hands with me. Why? So because the story is I either lost to Jose Canseco or won again to Jose Canseco. They love the story to tell.

So that's another issue. So sometimes I have to play in some sense is not looser but tighter than other situations because a lot of people love to get in hands with me and give me bad beats. Just part of the process. That must be part of it, yeah. You can use it to your advantage or you can't, but it depends. I was going through your Twitter.

I thought this tweet was super interesting. You tweeted out the school system is creating slaves and idiots on purpose. Did you send your daughter to school, public school? Private. But my daughter, see, here's the thing. I learned nothing in school. I mean, absolutely zero.

I learned everything in life. And I'm talking about math, vocabulary, skill. Everything I learned business is in life. I learned nothing, nothing. When I got out of high school, I didn't know how to make a check. I had no idea what it was. So is our society today, our school society,

creating slaves for the system? Absolutely, everybody knows that. Common Sense will tell you that. They're creating what you call an infrastructure for the billionaires and trillionaires, for our politicians to basically tax all the time. Common Sense, it's all over YouTube. If you really analyze it, put your mind to it,

that's exactly what it's doing. I don't recommend, there are only certain subject matters in school I do recommend, maybe math, some vocabulary, skills, some science, that's about it. Why don't schools teach business entrepreneurship at that level? Because they don't want you to know that stuff.

They want that for the higher ups. So just, if I had a kid today, I mean, I'm dating, my fiance has two kids, they're 10 and 11. And I keep telling her about the school system and Think about this hasn't changed in 30 years. No longer. Why think about it. It's ridiculous Yeah, so it's kind of obvious what what it's doing. Yeah, I hope you convince her to take them out man for real That's a lot of damage to the kid. It's it's crazy. It's just it's creating what's creating it holds them back for years It's it's crazy. It's just it's creating what's creating it holds them back for years

Like when they get to college even makes them all robots. That's one of those makes them all robots. Yeah, and for the system That's what it needs robots. Absolutely. Did you graduate college? No, I was right on high school. I got drafted Oh shit, so you didn't even go to college. No Wow that wasn't common back then, right? Well, yes and no but like I said, I learned nothing in school. Zero. Like I said, I left school and couldn't write out a check. Didn't know any of them about business, mathematics, nothing. I learned all that outside of school. Wow.

Who taught you all that stuff? Just living life, internet. I mean, look, you can go to YouTube right now and get courses on anything you want. And we'll teach you way more than high school will teach you. The internet will teach you in one year, way more than high school will teach you

in three to four years. That is a fact. Why waste three or four years of your life from ninth grade to graduation when you can take courses on the internet and learn math or whatever you wanna master that quick. It makes no sense to me. did you see a lot of your teammates and your peers go financially broke after they retired?

Back then a lot were, because I don't think back then they were educating the players. And today the money's out of control. I mean, the money's crazy. To put it in perspective, minimum salary back then was 60,000. Today minimum salary is 600,000. So 10x.

The best players back then were making like myself five million a year. Yeah. The best players today are making 50 to 60 million a year. Put in perspective, a utility player today who never plays makes more than the best players of my era. Wow. How does that make you feel?

It's part of the progression of baseball. It's a way it's evolved. That's supposed to show you how powerful baseball really is. It's beyond a trillion dollar industry. Wow. I mean, it's crazy. So if you can afford to pay players in general $50, $60 million a year, if you're running a business, you have a company, obviously you have to be making two or three X more

than that for that specific player or From that specific player in other venues to be able to pay him that mmm. So baseball is a very powerful entity Would it's like politics religion baseball? Those are the three most powerful entities in the world Right politics is a whole nother podcast. That's a whole nother podcast. I gotta be very careful. You can get shot in a second Oh, yeah, I mean it just happened. It's just the way it is. Would you ever want to own a baseball team? No. Be a part owner? No no there's too much involved too much time. I'm too old I'm 60 years old I paid my dues I've played I've traveled I'm still traveling a lot doing autograph sessions signing speaking engagements homerun derbies so it's gonna come a time probably a couple years I'm just gonna stop doing

everything and just relax and stay home. I love that. Are you done with fighting for good? Absolutely. The worst fighter in the world. Even though, hold on a minute, it pays a lot of money. It's crazy. You got a lot for that fight?

Which one? The one where you, was it Barstool Sports? Over a million dollars. For that fight? 10 seconds. Wow. It was a quick fight. But here's the thing, people don't know this.

I was injured completely. Here's the funny part. They actually, it's so funny because I took a physical. I didn't pass a physical. You didn't even pass a physical? No. I had a bad knee. I couldn't stand on my knee.

I couldn't raise my hands over. My shoulder was torn and they passed me. Of course, for the whole money, the whole situation. It was promoted quite well. It broke, so their pay-per-view, we broke their previous pay-per-view records by three times. Right, yeah. So people have this very strange morbid curiosity with me.

Either they wanna see me killed or they wanna see me succeed. It's gotten very strange with me because I guess I kind of present this individual no one really understands as a baseball player as a personality. So it's kind of weird how pay-per-view sold so well. But I couldn't fight at all. Literally when he came at me my knee buckled and then went and I threw a left jab I tore my whole chest this shoulder was already gone. But actually when I went down and hit the ring, I popped this shoulder out.

So by the time I was in the locker room, like that this shoulder was bleeding out, this was bleeding out and I tore my right knee again. So I had to have surgery right away. God damn. Why do you think you have such a polarizing audience? I think people are consistently trying to figure out who I am. Yeah.

You're misunderstood. I think there's a weird curiosity with me, a weird obsession. People tell me this all the time. It's kind of, I don't understand it. But I guess because then in the past, the way I did things, I did carry on 245 pounds, I did run a 429.40. So I was a football player basically hit baseball 600 feet Did unusual things but I don't know also I did write number one best-selling book, right that kind of

Expo's like kind of jolted the world of baseball and I think that has a lot lot to do with it Even to this day because that book was a while ago, right till today Wow, they're still it does still they're still being talked about in certain circles. And again, when I bring this up about the Hall of Fame, hypocrisy, there's such hypocrites, it makes me sick. I guess it kind of stirs us strong. Yeah. So who actually chooses the players?

You said it's the players? The writers. Oh, the writers? Writers vote on it. They have 100% of the vote? Because the NBA, it's split up. Yes, they have 100% of the boat That's really weird because NBA it's like 25% writers. I think fan is 25 and then players are 50 Let's put in perspective see if people understand this Ken Griffey, Jr First battle Hall of Fame 100% was in the PED arrows never touched PDs

600 plus home runs best five five two player ever seen. Him and Bonds, to me, were the two best players in history. So obviously Ken Griffith Jr. should have been first Battle of Hall of Fame all the way across the board. Easily. One person didn't vote for him. Think about what I just said, the mentality of these writers. These writers will see this chapstick.

If you ask a thousand people, what is this chapstick? Imagine out of eight billion people, one says, that ain't a chapstick, that's a horse. That's the problem we're having. Right, because that writer could have been a fan of his opponent's team. It doesn't make any sense. So that just goes to show you the hypocrisy of what we're dealing

with here, the kind of mix that we're dealing with here. The maybe the psychological inequities that we're dealing with here. Do you think the fans should have a say in the vote? No. No? No. I mean, it's just too many, too many fans. I mean, you have to have, for mean, it's just too many too many fans. I mean you have to have for me. It's simple You have you have a computer have a computer programming You put in the information the data and whatever qualifies the computer spits out hall of fame or not Okay, so just purely numbers purely numbers. That's what it really should be. It's not it's emotional It's it's agendas. It's ridiculous. Yeah feel that man. Jose. Good luck tomorrow, man

Anything else you want to close off with here? I'm gonna need a whole bunch of luck. I'm gonna bet on myself and I'm gonna lose. Let's go. But here's the key, you guys keep track. If I get pocket ace and I get knocked out, I'm coming back on, I'll say I told you so. I'll be keeping an eye on it then.

Thanks for coming on man. Thank you guys. Thanks for watching guys, peace.