Digital Social Hour - From NFL to Business: Lessons in Leadership & Growth | Bronson & Corbin DSH #1228

Episode Date: March 9, 2025

From pro football fields to business boardrooms, this episode of the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly is packed with valuable insights on leadership, resilience, and growth. 🏈📈 Join Bronson and Corbin as they share their incredible journey from the NFL to building successful ventures in real estate, investing, and mentorship. 🚀 Discover how lessons from the locker room—like being a great teammate and overcoming adversity—translate into thriving in business. 💼 Whether it's navigating financial literacy, empowering athletes, or making smart investments, these brothers are on a mission to redefine life after sports. 🙌 Hear stories about their time in the league, transitioning careers, and their insights on the evolving NIL landscape. Don’t miss out on their candid advice and inspiring journey. Watch now and subscribe for more insider secrets! 📺💡 Hit that subscribe button and join the conversation today! 🔥 CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:27 - Growing Up 05:59 - Transitioning from Sports to Business 07:12 - Financial Literacy for Athletes 10:29 - Building Mental Resilience 12:21 - Qualities of a Good Teammate 15:18 - Riley's Entry into Investment 18:18 - Riley and Corbin's Slap Fight 20:04 - NBA Trade Insights 22:40 - Football Players at 40 24:10 - Drew Brees Career Highlights 25:10 - Rise of Esports 27:10 - Impact of Social Media on Sports 28:23 - NLI Deals Explained 30:25 - Importance of Trustworthy Relationships 32:04 - Changing Dynamics for Athletes 33:29 - Finding Athletes in Today's Market APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail] GUEST: Bronson & Corbin https://www.instagram.com/bkaufusi90/ https://www.instagram.com/corbin_jk/ LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ #investingforathletes #athletetransitiontobusiness #athletecareertransition #businesstransitionathletes #athleteinvestmentstrategies

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All right, we got bronston and corbin here today a little tight fit but we made it happen. Oh, yeah, we're good Yeah, you said you used to sleep in the same bed, right? Yeah. Now we're what? You're a 6'10". He's taller than me. I'm the older brother. Big, you know? Yeah, it's true. When did you guys stop growing? He was earlier than me. I was the late bloomer. Really? Yeah. Like I grew into my twenties a few inches, but you probably, he came into high school at like six six five okay he was the man child damn yeah six five in high school is no joke yeah it was probably like when i grew another two inches the next year so like when i was a sophomore in high school yeah it's about when i was done

growing okay yeah so a little early right a little early i grew a little in college too okay yeah were you guys playing you guys were playing football, basketball, anything else in high school? Uh, some tracking failed. Oh, you did track? Yeah. Let's go throw for fun. Like we're like javelin throwing looks cool. Let's go do it after practice. I did an actual event though.

That's true. And I'm not gonna lie. It was my only event, but shots fired at javelin throws. I loved it. Yeah. Throwing is no joke though. Oh, it's so different. Like it made me realize how unathletic I was. Man, I watched the shot put every Olympics, the Krauser guy or whatever his name is.

Oh, yeah. I do the beast. Oh, it's wild. People don't know how hard that is. Spinning like a top two on the shot put. But I thought you were talking about the shot put guy. Yeah, no, he is a shot put guy. He is a shot put guy. He might do discus too though.

Okay, okay. I'm not sure if he does both, but he definitely does shot put. Big guys spinning that fast. I'm surprised they don't like dig into the ground like a top, because they swim so fast. I know. It's nuts.

Yeah, track and field shot out. Those guys don't get respect, you know. Oh, absolutely not. And they're great lifters too. Yeah. All those dudes are just unbelievably strong. Were you guys way better at football than basketball? Is that why you picked Anifal? What do you think?

Exactly. I'd say it's different for each of us. Okay. I grew up watching him play more basketball. He was in the AAU circuit. And I was like the little brother going to all the tournaments. And so I always thought he'd be more of a basketball player, but then it's weird, like our bodies kind of changed and just football kind of fit in some ways better. Our dad's a football coach.

Okay. Coached for 30 years, college football. Got it. So you didn't have much of a choice. We were kind of around all the time. Yeah, we're in the locker room after the game. We're living at the facility pretty much all summer, going to camps.

How tall was he? He must've been a giant too. Yeah, he's about six, five, you know, I mean, he's probably about the same weight. 285, 290. Yeah. Yeah. So you both outgrew your dad then? Yeah.

He's the oldest of nine kids. Holy shit. And he's like not even the biggest one. Damn. Yeah. So you're just a family of athletes. Yeah, there's a lot of us, honestly, like over 20 first cousins all played D1. Holy crap. There's a lot of us. Dance sports was like the route for you guys.

Like it wasn't any other option. Yeah, it's kind of like the one that click. Like my dad always says when they came from the islands and someone told him, you know, you can go to college playing football. It was like an aha moment for me at home. It's like, I know how we're all going to go to school. You know, we can do this. All the boys up.

Was it super high pressure because some parents pressure their kids, right? So much to the point where the kids end up hitting the sport. Yeah. Ours, I feel like we had like the opposite experience where our dad never thought he actually told us not really football. Oh, wow. Do whatever you want. And like, we just gravitated towards it because we love seeing him and we love just being around the type of thing. But yeah, he kind of like was hands off for most of our careers until we played for him. And then it was, he was our coach. Now you're going to work harder because you're my son. He was your college coach. He was our college coach. And he had never coached. I'm the oldest. I was going to work harder because you're my son. He was your college coach? He was our college coach. And he had never coached.

I'm the oldest, so I was the first one to go through. He had never coached me or Corbin, anyone in our family in a sport before because he was a college football coach. Oh wow. So really that was our first time having him as a coach was when we went to college. Yeah.

It was actually, it was awesome. Okay. Did the teammates hate you guys because he favored you guys? It was the opposite. Oh really? They felt bad for us. They felt bad for us.

Why does your dad gotta say that to you? I know, why does he have to do more than everyone else? But we got, I mean, I already knew, like I knew I was gonna do more. I was gonna stay longer. I was gonna, and it was kind of expected because he, coming from Tonga, like it's very warrior

culture, I would say. And so everything was earned. So we had to go above and beyond that just so that the other... Looking for the ultimate online casino experience? Step into the BetMGM Casino app, where every deal, spin and goal brings Las Vegas excitement into the palm of your hand. Take your seat at Premium Blackjack Pro, where strategy meets top-tier gameplay. Hit the ice with Gretzky Goal Lucky Tap, inspired by the great one himself.

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Yeah, that's big right. There's so many rounds in the NFL. I don't even know how many there are but third sounds really good Yeah, it was solid and it was cool experience. Let's go. What about you? I was I was the undrafted free agent. Okay And so definitely different paths, but I loved it. It was an experience for sure. That's a hard path, right? Triads and everything. I had three surgeries after my senior year. Holy crap.

Before getting to spring training, like I was just recovering the whole time. And yeah, it was, it was the ringer, but learned so much. Yeah. And now you guys have transitioned into business. What was that transition like from sports to business? You know what, for me, I, I just was watching, you know, a lot of my teammates in the locker room

world was talking business and investing and I just felt like man, I grew up in a place where I had great mentors. Yeah, like here in Utah, there's a lot of great business people and entrepreneurs and founders and all these different things. And so I decided, okay, I need to really lean on that I'm gonna go out, I'll, you know, I'll buy in pretty much and invest. And if I can learn how to do it, then I'll bring great people because that's what I noticed people were struggling with in

the locker room, you know, the players, they're just getting involved with the wrong people. Right. And it's in it. And a lot of it was just because, you know, and we were saying we didn't grow up even saying that we're investing. So when someone says investing, we're like, which person's worth? Yeah, we don't want to say that. But it was it was awesome, though, because we did find the right people, fortunately, and they were able to teach us how to do that and do it at a high level. And I think that's what really changed it for us.

So yeah, started in real estate and then went from there. That's awesome because you shared a crazy statistic with me. 78% of NFL athletes have financial trouble after they retire, right? Yeah, three to five years. Holy crap. So it's really intense. And so after living it and seeing it right there happen, and then now that we're done playing and seeing it happen,

that's the mission is we want to take that stat to zero. So I assume it's high in other leagues because you're dedicating such a large portion of your life to sports. You can't focus on investing and other business stuff. So you're just as soon as you're done, you're like, what do I do? Right? Oh yeah. Total identity crisis.

It's crazy to see. I feel like every athlete has an identity crisis once they're done playing the sport at whatever level. Yeah. Even if you're aware of it, I feel like it still happens. Right? Oh yeah. Even being aware of it, you still have to navigate it because you're like, Oh, shoot, like this actually came. Now,

what do I do? You know, you thought about what you might do, but it's like actually here, you know, and it's really hard to match that money, I think outside of sports. Oh, absolutely. Especially starting from zero. Like you are taking, you're going into something that you've never done before. Because if you take an athlete, and put them into the business world and you ask them what they're good at, it's hard for them to share. But if you take an athlete, put them on the field

and tell them what they're good at, they'll tell you every single detail with exactness, what they're good at. And so what happens is athletes, and I'm a big proponent, I'm always saying this cause you know, I'm always trying to help athletes out. You're always transitioning as an athlete. The moment you start your time as an athlete is timestamped. Like there will be a time when you don't play and you hang it up. And so like the goal is now I feel like the new age athlete and you see this in the NBA, especially

they do a great job. I feel like the NFL is headed there right now is I'm always transitioning. So with the time that I do have, can I get in the right rooms? Can I talk to the right people? Can I ask the right questions? And so trying to help athletes just build curiosity and a desire to do that outside of what they're doing in the off season is like, it's like it's key, vital,

especially with NIL now. Yeah. High school athletes and college athletes can't pay. Yeah, I think NFL is doing better. I actually had an NFL agent invite me to one of their dinners with all their players and give the players like podcasting advice. Oh, that's sweet.

Yeah, cause a lot of- We need you for that. I got you for real. Well, a lot of athletes are starting podcasts now. Yeah. It's a smooth transition cause they're so good at talking about the sport. Exactly.

Like I watched Draymond Green's podcast. I watched Travis Kelsey's, because they're just so knowledgeable. You can't get that information from some random commentator, you know? Oh yeah. Yeah. And learning to use that skill, you know,

outside of like the sports they're in, that's huge in the transitioning you were talking about. Like what skill sets from this transition to something else outside of it. Absolutely. There are a lot. That's the thing, athletes, there's a lot of things that you learn as far as character, discipline, effort, showing up every day, like all these things can help you transition into the business world. And but once again, when you leave, you know, your sport, it's just like you're a freshman all over again, you're a rookie all over again, right? You know, and you have to be open to learn. 100%. Even from younger people who have been doing it

longer than you. And so, you know, having the humility to say, I don't know, but I'm here to learn and be coached. Like coach me up. Yeah. I attribute a lot of my success in business to sports. I never got to your guys level, but being a distance runner, you got to lock in mentally. Oh yeah. How far are you running?

5Ks was like my race. In track, I did the mile and the 800. Oh, sweet. Yeah, but those races are hard, man. Oh, you're moving fast the whole time for a distance. Like that's- They say like it's a little controversial, but they say the 800 meters is like the hardest race.

No, yeah. As you're sprinting the whole time. Exactly. Oh. Yeah, two laps, full on sprint. Can I ask like, where do you hit, where was it usually the point for you where you're like, your body wants to shut and it's like all mentality. It's the last hundred usually I actually tore my

glute in the last 50 of one of them and I was gonna make the state finals if I finished. I was in second place and I tore it and I didn't make it. Oh my gosh. It's like mental trauma from that. I was in a wheelchair for a week. No way. Yeah you're a glute man. To have that such a flooble state too. Like to have that just, yeah, yeah. Yeah. You guys probably dealt with some nasty injuries too. Playing football, that's inevitable. There are some bad ones. But I will, first I'm gonna talk about Corbin's.

Cause people still talk about Corbin's injuries this senior year. So BYU's rival is Utah. And the week before, it's Corbin. He already had a torn tendon in his pinky. Jeez, your triceps was already torn. Yeah. And then he tore a bunch of ligaments in his ankle. Holy crap. And he still played in the game twice and played at a high level. And but that's football. I think every single

week, football game is on TV and anyone is watching. Oh, everyone's flying hurt. Wow. Everyone's playing her. Everyone's battling something and like, and so, but that, I mean, having those three injuries, like I remember watching them and I'm like, how's he doing this right now? Like he's making plays out there still. Holy crap. With all of this.

I went down. I didn't make it to the end of the game. Hey, you went out there and put it on the line. But we tried. I was impressed, man. So that your mental resilience is just next level. It's just, well, I feel like, you know how it is with, as an athlete, you just keep going, you know, like, what adrenaline team or like, it's almost like this feeling of completionism or it's like, okay, until I feel like I'm

literally can't play, you'll just keep going to that point. Yeah. You don't want to let your teammates down almost. Oh, exactly. Yeah, it's a responsibility type of thing. So, so true. It's taught me how to work with people. Sports, I was playing basketball, soccer, you know, so that's really valuable in business.

Oh, it's that camaraderie thing. Being a great teammate? Yeah. Oh, cause man, when you go to work every day, I mean, in football, you see your teammates more than you see your family during the season, right? Like you're with them all the time. And so it's like, if I can be a good teammate, I mean, I can pretty

much do anything. Like, I believe that because, you know, you're you're handling adversity personally, but you have teammates who are handling adversity, you have so you get from this individual level to an even bigger level, you know, it all starts with you being a good teammate. And so I felt like we were fortunate to like be around incredible examples of that.

Because in sports, it's what's passed down. That's what creates the culture. And so the leaders in the locker room, like those are the people that are defining what a good teammate is. So being able to have that, I mean, we were lucky. Yeah. And all the best teams have great leaders, right?

Great leaders. I mean, look at the Chiefs right now. It's gonna be hard to beat them. Who you guys got actually? I know your dad was part of the Eagles, right? Yeah. Who do you have? It's tough.

It's tough, because we really like Andy Reed, the UYU guy, you know, so yeah, we really like some buddies on the Eagles though. So we have a lot of a lot of buddies on the Eagles. Well, I got the Chiefs man. Yeah. How many how much the score? What's the score? You guys would know that better than me. I haven't been watching this season, but they seem to always just squeeze it out. So I feel like it'll be a close game in the win last possession or something, you know? Yeah, see, I feel like it's gonna be really close and I want the Eagles, but I think, I think the chiefs are going to win. That makes sense. They're experienced. What's on our mind.

It's all those things. You're just like, gosh, dang it. Like, yeah. I mean, they're experienced. I want the Eagles win, but I know in the back of my mind, there's a three feet would be cool. That says three feet. Yeah. The three feet would be awesome. Yeah. I saw Gronk talking about his, uh, Mahomes or Brady the goat. Ooh, he was saying if he gets this three P he's the goat of the decade, but then he has to do it again. Oh, I can see that. Yeah. That's valuable. Cause Brady's got seven. Yeah. So if Mahomes gets this one, that's,

that's four, right for him. Or is it three, three or four? Yeah. Oh, it might be four. It might be four because there wasn't there one earlier is it three? Three or four? Yeah. Oh, it might be four. It might be four. Cause there wasn't there one earlier. There might've been one earlier. Yeah. Yeah. Cause this is his seventh year. Yeah.

That's crazy. That is nuts. He'll have to do it. Yeah. He'll have to do it twice though, in his eyes to pass Brady. Wow. Yeah. I can see that. Yeah. Yeah. I can see that.

I want to talk about the fun side. Cause I met one of you at Jetson capital, right? So you guys are in the fun space now. Yeah. How'd you get involved with that? You know what we just, I mean, it's kind of part of the whole, I guess, trajectory when you get into that world, um, you start to understand different ways to invest and you learn about the fun structure.

And so, uh, you know, know, for me, I was just, I just wanted to find good people and invest and into things that, you know, I learned as time went on, it's like, I don't mind the boring stuff. Like that's where the money is. That's what all the people that have created, you know, extreme wealth, they've all invested in that type of stuff. Like that's where the money is. That's what all the all the people that have created, you know, extreme wealth, they've all invested in that type of stuff. And so started in real estate, gas stations and multifamily. And

then it's just expanded from there. And it's interesting because because Corbin and I both graduated in statistics and analytics. And we both love numbers. And what happened was, you know for me as I was getting into the investment world I kind of turned into this guy that people were just like sending deals to all the time so a lot of players were sending me stuff I was looking at it right because they were getting pitched deals they're getting pitched and NFL players NBA players they get pitched all the time I bet they get tons of deal flow and so it was nice to be able to just

send things you know send it over and then I could look at it and tons of deal flow. And so it was nice to be able to just send things, you know, send it over and then I could look at it and take it. Because I was kind of, I was very active in the business space, going into those types of events all the time. And so I felt I got a really good network to send things out, get some feedback from high level experts, bring it back, and then go back. And so that's kind of how I got involved in the fund space was, okay, wow, And so that's kind of how I got involved in the fund space was, okay, wow. There's a lot of funds out there. How do I know which one to invest in? How do I know?

What questions do I ask? Yeah. You know, and so it's been fun, like training, like athletes, like, okay, when you get a deal or if it's a fund or, you know, this is, this is what you're looking for and that's, it's kind of what my role is with, uh, you know, different sports groups on a part of, I'm part of pro-athlete community pack. And so, right. We got like over 400 members and I'm in charge of overseeing deal flow. So yeah,

it's kind of fun to be able to look at all the deals that athletes get because it's, it's unique. I'm not gonna lie. It's really unique. You guys are getting a lot of pickleball deals. It's sports ownership sports leagues. It's hot right now. Yeah. There's a lot of sports league deals going on, you know, direct syndications. I wonder how those are going to pan out because obviously worked out for the major sports, but these are up and coming sports. So it's kind of like a gamble, right? Exactly. It's true. Like Padel's blowing up right now. Yeah. Pickleball. Yeah. Couple other sports.

Right. Like the slapping thing. Oh, power slap. You got pitched out. That's funny. I've been to those. Oh, I've only seen videos. It actually looks awesome. Would you ever do it? I would love to try it. I don't know why. Wow.

Most people say no to that. You're going to do it. I could call him right now. Sign you up. You'll get 10 grand if you do if you win. Five grand if you lose. Yeah, I felt mad. You know, I would need a little more than that

if I were to do it. 10,000 I mean. I would just say, if they just put us out there, we'd do it for free against each other. You know, we just sit there. We did that with the tortilla on TikTok. You know, we can each have the tortilla. Did you guys scrap a lot when you were younger?

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Brotherly love. Oh yeah. It's whoever gets the other to cry first and then you lock yourself in the bathroom before they get too crazy. You know, we broke a lot of couches, glass doors, glass windows. But just like not even like I don't even feel like it was like

out of like, I'm going to bust this thing down. It was like running away and like teasing and then someone runs into a door that See where I throw in the one each other. I swear we closed the window and it broke. I would have loved to see that man. Now people just bully each other on social media. Everyone just hides home. Yeah they don't they don scrap anymore, you know. No fair fights anymore. Yeah, you can't settle with hands anymore. You gotta settle on the keyboard. That is true.

And then you get blown up on social media and everyone's like, oh, look at this thread. And it's just da-da-da-da-da. Yeah. People just sit there and read down. Yeah. You guys were in the locker rooms. Did the players ever talk about the haters

and trolls on social media? It's pretty fun. Sometimes they would. You just hear random stories, rooms. Did the players ever talk about like the haters and trolls on social media? It's like pretty fun. You know, sometimes they would just hear like random stories, but make jokes about it. People just make jokes. Or you just like joke on one of the other guys, you know, oh, I saw your girl posted this. Oh, I saw you into this. Yeah, I feel like some players against them, you know. Oh, for sure.

You know, some people will be responding like Kevin Durant's out here making fake Twitter profiles responding. Like, what are you doing, man? Yeah, man. You guys see that trade last night? I did see that. Holy crap. That's the biggest trade I've ever seen, I think.

Yeah. Oh, man. Who do you think won that trade, Lakers or Mavericks? Oh, I think the Lakers. I think the Lakers. I think the Luka. Anywhere is impressive to get, you know. I think the Lakers won. Yeah. If AD is healthy though, they might win this year. Yeah. With Clay, Kyrie, AD, PJ.

Like I can see how they maybe thought about that, but I, I'm a big Luka fan. So I'm like, yeah, we love Luka. Yeah. In the long run, I think the Lakers will win cause Luka's only 25. Yeah. I forget that. If he's only 25. Yeah. What forget that. If he's only 25. Yeah. What? Oh wait, it was basketball, man. Yeah, you can play forever.

Yeah. Average lifespan of a football players, I think like 2.6 years, which is crazy. And it's only getting lower. I heard only getting low. Yeah. Cause it's more competitive and you know, guys are coming out even freakier, like faster, stronger.

Right. So the game, I mean, the game just becomes that much more violent. So they're trying to, you know. He's always looking for a replacement for you. Right. Yeah, and there's way more people that can replace you in football.

Yeah, you see that with running backs, right? Yeah, the running back market, it's crazy. It's crazy, they did Saquon Dirty, man, the Giants. I'm a Giants fan, I grew up in Jersey. Oh yeah. That was the dumbest move I've ever seen. Getting rid of him. It's so sad. He's killing it. He's killing it. I, I'm happy he's doing so well. I'm happy for him,

but at the same time, it's like that could have been the Giants. No, yeah. It's just yeah, with the running back, I always felt running backs really got the short end of the stick for that. That's true. Who's your guys team these days? You cheer for any? You got friends on every team, so it's tough for you. I feel like we do cheer for a lot of like, some of the players played for some of the teams. Yeah, some of the teams we played for. Yeah, we always cheer for them. Growing up, like growing up, because we grew up here in Utah, like for me, my, my team was the Broncos Broncos because it's the closest team. Oh, wow. Yeah. So

Denver, I grew up, you know, watching Denver, paying manning, right? Yeah, pay in all those guys over there and I like it and McCaffrey Jersey like and then Yeah, now I mean the Eagles to just as our dad played there By pretty much watch. Yeah, Green Bay right there The Jets, yeah, yeah off season for the Jets. Yeah. Rough season for the Jets. I know. I want to, I, come on. A lot of rough seasons. I love Aaron too.

I love Aaron. Aaron's the man. You know. I had faith in him, but it was a rough season for sure. I know. I know. I'm like, come on. He can do it.

Anyone's going to do it's going to be him because he's, he's a great leader. Father time though, right? That's true. What is he? He's pushing 40 now, right? Yeah. I think he's 39. Damn. Yeah.

Or is he 40? I don't know. Not a lot of people make it to 40 in professional sports. And then I just think of football. I'm just like, oh. That's probably the hardest one to make it to 40. Football on track? Yeah.

Like I see any guy in NFL that's like a 10 year vet. It's like just crazy in my mind. It's hard to fathom that kind of like physical prowess Yeah, they've seen some stuff right? Oh Did you guys have some vet mentors when you got in? Yeah, sure. Yeah, I felt like I got really good ones, too Yeah, he went to the Saints. Oh nice was that what drew breeze? Yeah, it was like his last year and I remember like he was the first person I met in the locker room Oh, wow, my brother's I was like hey, be the first one there, you know,

you got to set the tone, especially you undrafted guys. I was like, okay. Facts. That's good advice. I got there like 430 and there was only one dude in there and all the lights were off, but he was in the hot tub reading his Bible and it was Drew Brees. Wow. And at first I didn't think it was a player because it's a small dude. I thought it was like, oh, is this like one of the janitors getting the hot tub? Or I was like, oh, that's Drew Brees.

I was like, Holy cow. What was your line? Your opening line to him? Uh, I, well, I didn't say anything to him. I just was like, I'm going to play it cool and just sit here in the corner. I'm the rookie. Yeah. But then literally in the shower, he's like, Hey, don't you have a brother that

plays up, uh, in Baltimore? And I was like, yeah, I do actually. I was like, it was really neat though for, I was like, I this unknown, undrafted. I didn't even stay there for season. I got off to the jets. But for him to like make that comment to me, I was like, wow, what a great man. That's cool. He'd regularly come sit with us rookies at breakfast if we weren't sitting with anyone. Wow. I feel like that's pretty rare. Oh, super rare. Yeah. Kobe Bryant would not do that. Like I, I really was hats off to him. And then even like Cam Jordan, I don't know if you knew. I don't know him.

There's a defensive end over there, but he was awesome. First time I went into a locker room, he's sitting there playing super smash with some of the guys on the team. And he's like, Hey man, do you play? We need a fourth. And I was like, sure. And just from then on, it's just so nice.

He didn't know Corbin takes like three people on at once. Oh yeah. He's nice. I was like, this is my time to shine. He's over here. It's me. Now it's like me. My wife plays Smash 2 and you know, our other brother and it's like us three versus him. Damn.

He's still winning. Who's your main? I'm weird. Like if I want to secure the victory, it's Ness. Okay. Because I play 64. He's OP on 64. Exactly. But then I actually love using Link because I'mess. Okay. Cause I play 64. Yeah, he's OP on 64. Exactly.

But then I actually love using Link cause I'm just a Zelda nerd. Link is fun. And his boomerang is the most annoying thing but I can get people with it. I literally watched the smash like finals, e-sports finals on YouTube every year. Yeah.

I'm into that shit. I love e-sports. I love that too. Yeah. You guys still game at all or no? I don't game as much. I would, we used to game so much. And Corbin actually in the NFL, they do an event where you play Fortnite during the season

and then they take the top 10 players and you get drafted by professional gamers to play during the Super Bowl and a Fortnite Super Bowl championship. Corbin got drafted by Ninja and played with Ninja. What? That's dumb. Yeah. Did you guys win? We took like 10th or something,

but I was like, I'm the pack horse man. I don't know how to tunnel well. Oh, was it when it was build mode? Yeah, they were still building. Those guys are sweaty. Yeah, and like I streamed for a little bit, but I never got to that level of building. Yeah, I don't play building. Let's get him streaming again. Dude, these streamers are making

crazy money. Oh, my gosh. That's a world that when someone started to tell me a few of the numbers, I still don't know much about it. It was just mind blowing. Yeah. Streaming numbers, Twitch streamers are you could argue are more popular than a list celebrities right now. Oh, absolutely. Percent. The monthly for them is crazy. Yeah. Well, the pool's so much bigger. Because there's viewership. Right. So it's huge.

They're getting hundreds of millions of views. Yeah. Yeah, and that's money. Monthly too. Attention. Yeah. That's a lot of attention. And they're getting it for prolonged periods.

That's where I think they separate themselves. Cause they're streaming eight hours a day. Yeah, exactly. People are watching. Yeah. The whole time. Yeah. And then you got the clipping side,

which I'm good at with the podcast. And that's another hundred million of views after they're done streaming. Exactly. Yeah. From one stream you can get probably so many clips that will just boom, go on. So many. Yeah. I mean, Aiden Ross interviewed Trump,

like a streamer interviewed the city president. That's how big streamers are these days. I love it, dude. It's taking over. It's the number one sport, right? That's why viewership. I think so, yeah. Even last night at WWE Kai Sanat. Uh, I show speed. I mean speed was there and Logan Paul and stuff. So it's a new era man.

Yeah. I love it. Yeah. Social media probably wasn't big when you guys were in the league, but now it's like you can make a living off it. Yeah. Oh, it was just getting ramped. Like no one really did it. Yeah. You know, now it was the opposite. It was more, we didn't do social media because the little that was out, you were afraid of doing something wrong because you might get canceled. Yeah. Kiss something from the team because it was just such an unknown area.

What we're in fun of. Yeah. Why does this dude dance? Now guys are dancing like all the time. Wow, everyone's into it. And so it's a totally yeah. Filming a workout like no one ever filmed a workout. Like ever.

And then they, all of a sudden, you know, cameras are there, content teams are there, filming workouts. And it's like, but then you start to realize the business and an athlete's in a unique position because you get drafted and all of a sudden, you know, either you're the best or you're an authoritative figure to get the most attention. And now you have both overnight and

you already have a pool of people that are literally all eyes on you like that. Right? Like I feel like athletes make incredible. Yeah, streamers, influencers, podcasters, because man, everything's already set up there for him. You just have to connect the bridges and then let it flow. A hundred percent. Definitely agree with that. What's your guys opinion on the NIL stuff? Love it. You love it? I love it. Now, what I love about it is players are getting a piece of all of that money,

that big pie that's been going on for years. Because the schools make a ton of money, the NCAA makes a ton of money. I'm a big, big fan of it. But what got me into all this business stuff, investment stuff, is because of NIL. Because the only way I saw we could flip that stat to zero was, you know, a dad calls me up, hey, you know, my son just signed for a million dollars. He's 16. And this is just a brand deal. What do we do? Well, in my mind, I was like, oh, this is an opportunity to go and sit down with the athlete, mom, dad, brother, sister, everyone. And now we're going to do some financial literacy and talk about, you know, the different structures of how to get paid through an LLC and that's what taxes athletes

don't really think about taxes all the time. It's our biggest expense. Yeah. And we're W2. So you can't even write off stuff. Yeah. Well, there's ways, but you have to, you have to, you know, really have a great tax strategy and it takes planning and you have to be able to understand it. And so that takes time. And so, you know, what we're trying to do is always help athletes understand the whole picture off the field, because, you know, for a long time, it was just, I get drafted, I signed my name, I get wired the money literally instantly, and now what do I do with that? OK, someone said I need a CPA, I need a tax advisor, you know, strategist.

I need a, what do you call it, just like a money manager. I need, I mean, I don't know how to buy a house, I don't know how to buy a car, but you know, it's like all these little things, but now what we do is we try to help them do all of this at once. So then they don't have to, so everything's in one arena. Everyone's talking to each other right here. And know, and you can just step in there and get an update from everyone at once. And now you can get taken care of the right way. Right. It's smart that you guys did this because the players trust you guys. You

saw the horror stories with Paul Pierce's manager. I forget the name of that guy, but he stole all the money like Kevin Garnett's manager. And that's a lot. It happens to you guys right to take advantage of athletes. Oh, for sure. And it's it's one of those things we've definitely been like burnt in our business, wondering, but that really is the thing is the key is trustworthy people. Like, and it's one of those things where if you find it,

you go back to the locker room and you want to share it because you know everyone needs it. So I was like, Oh bro, I met this guy. That's incredible. I put money in and going, yeah, went well. This is what happened. And so, yeah, that's why I love it because you have something good to give back to these guys.

Like this is actually really going to help you. If you can make people money, word will spread fast. Oh, exactly. Yeah. Fastest. Yeah. And it's like, we're not even like the guys that are like the managers, but we know people.

And you connect the dots. We can find the greatest teammate in real estate. We have the greatest teammate in this, this, this, this, in taxes and this and that. So when guys go through, you know, huge taxable events, cause to an athlete, an exit is getting drafted, getting a signing bonus or getting that second contract. Like that's like selling the company.

And so it's like, when that happens, are you prepared? Like, am I going to be paying 40% back? Or can I strategize how to reinvest that 40% and let it grow and work really hard for me? If every athlete could understand how to make every dollar work as hard as they work, oh my gosh, every athlete would be in a phenomenal position and that 70% would be zero. Absolutely. So quick. So

quick. I saw what Otani did with Cali. Oh, I love that. That was brilliant. I've never seen an athlete do something like that. Yeah, his thing about his team was prepared. Like he was prepared. Like, you know, athletes, athletes really, I posted that on my LinkedIn. And literally everyone's talking about it because it's like, wow, athletes are moving different. They're really moving different in taxes and tech venture and real estate and creating their own family offices. It's a different, athletes are moving

different. And so that's what we try to do is just educate the athletes so everyone can move like that. No, they are. I mean, look at KD with 35 ventures. You got Serena Williams with her, Steph with 776, right? Steph. Yeah, I think some of these athletes will make more off their funds than their actual career. Oh, I totally believe it.

Yeah. We've seen that even with like Aaron Rodgers and RX3. Yeah. You know, it's a CPG fund. But you know, there's this big movement right now. And it's really big. I mean, it's already happening, but not at this level right now.

It's, it's moving like a well-oiled machine where the athletes are getting involved in these funds and they're not just putting money in, they're putting in their NIL and if they're a professional athlete and they put their NIL in, well, guess what? You can help the firm or the fund or the things they're investing in the companies, the products, you can move it differently. And so that's, what's really cool about what's going on're investing in, the companies, the products, you can move it differently. And so that's what's really cool about what's going on right now is,

these athletes are not just investing, they're investing their name, image and likeness, which is their most viable thing. Absolutely. Well guys, it's been a blast working with you. We'll find you, find your podcast and keep up with you guys. Yeah, Instagram, I'm BkaFusi90 and LinkedIn.

Bossing Kapusi, I'm super active on those too. Yeah, I'm on Instagram, Corbin, and then Corbin Capuzzi on LinkedIn. Boom, we'll link it all below. Thanks for coming on guys. Yeah, appreciate it. Yup, check them out guys. And I'll see you next time.

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