Digital Social Hour - From Ouija Board to Shapeshifter: Exploring the Paranormal with Jay Wasley | Digital Social Hour #53

Episode Date: July 22, 2023

Hey there, paranormal enthusiasts! You won't believe the hair-raising stories we have in store for you in our latest podcast episode. Prepare to be captivated as we dive into the chilling experiences ...of our guest, Jay Wasley, renowned paranormal investigator and star of the Digital Social Hour podcast. From the moment we start, you'll be hooked. Jay takes us on a journey filled with shocking encounters, beginning with a terrifying possession that left him and his friend in mortal danger. But that's just the beginning! Jay shares mind-blowing tales of negative energy following him home from haunted locations, including a spine-chilling house in Nashville where his ex-wife's possession led to their divorce. But don't worry, it's not all darkness. We also explore Jay's methods of grounding himself and channeling positive energy after intense investigations. Through engaging in creative activities and maintaining a positive mental state, Jay shows us how he overcomes the constant exposure to dark energy. As the episode unfolds, we delve into Jay's childhood experiences that ignited his fascination with the paranormal, including encounters with Ouija boards and close calls with spirits from other time periods. Prepare to be amazed as Jay shares his theory about the existence of shapeshifters, Bigfoot, and even the possibility of humans evolving into gray aliens in the future. But the spookiness doesn't end there! We take you on an unforgettable exploration of haunted locations like Lake Mead, where bodies and secrets have been unearthed. Brace yourself for bone-chilling encounters that will leave you questioning the limits of our reality. From heart-stopping possessions to mind-bending encounters with spirits, our podcast episode with Jay Wasley is jam-packed with intense moments that will keep you on the edge of your seat. Don't miss out on this thrilling journey into the paranormal. Tune in now and prepare to be scared, amazed, and left in awe of the unexplained. So grab your headphones, dim the lights, and join us as we unravel the mysteries of the supernatural. This episode of the Digital Social Hour podcast is one you won't want to miss! SPONSORS: AG1: https://www.drinkAG1.com/DSH Hostage Tape: https://hostagetape.com/DSH --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/digitalsocialhour/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Are you a lover of all things dark and creepy, of graveyards and monsters, haunted houses and spooky legends? Then welcome to Lore. I'm Aaron Manke. For close to 10 years now, I've been sharing history's darkest stories with millions of listeners around the world. Tune in each week as we explore the folklore, ghost tales, and local legends that delivered the chills you're looking for.
Starting point is 00:00:24 Learn more and subscribe today over at LorePodcast.com. folklore, ghost tales, and local legends that deliver the chills you're looking for. Learn more and subscribe today over at lorepodcast.com. I had a friend actually get possessed during a Ouija board and try to s*** me in the throat with a f***ing knife. Whoa. My ex-wife was our photographer. You know, she's behind the scenes just taking photos while we're doing interviews. We look over and she just starts getting affected. It got real aggressive, real negative.
Starting point is 00:00:44 So you guys got divorced after that? This is over. Something's in you. We're done. I had like an overwhelming sense of like beauty. Oh, there you go. Was that a ghost? What the f*** is this?
Starting point is 00:00:57 Yo, no way. No f***ing way. No way. You should have got up. We're just going to take a break to change your shorts welcome to the digital social hour i'm your host sean Kelly. I'm here with my co-host, Wayne Lewis. What up, what up? And our guest today, Jay Wasley. How's it going, Wes? Thanks for having me on. This is fun.
Starting point is 00:01:34 Mr. Ghostbuster himself. I hope I didn't bring any other friends to the studio. I hope not. I live by myself. Not anymore. Has that happened to you, though, where you investigate a place and then come on with it? Yeah, it actually has. You know, especially, I mean, we've been doing it for 13 years now. And I know at the beginning, you know, the backtrack, it's kind of weird.
Starting point is 00:01:54 When we investigate, you want to open yourself up, right? Because we want to experience it. We want to capture the evidence. So there's a level of opening yourself up to this stuff. And I think at the beginning, I didn't't realize how important it was to close yourself afterwards. You know, like basically leaving work at work. And it's happened. We've come home, all of us, through the years.
Starting point is 00:02:15 We feel like we get oppressed. We're all happy, chill guys. But you can tell something's wrong, especially if it's a really intense negative energy we're dealing with. And it just lingers. It comes with you. I was living in Nashville for a while. For some reason, that house got it the worst. I don't know if it was just the timing or what.
Starting point is 00:02:33 I would have friends come over and spend the night, and they say they woke up to a lady standing at the foot of their bed. And I would wake up at like 2 in the morning. My dog's just growling at the corner of the house. Wow. Just like there's nothing there. And I'm like, all right, right dude just go back to bed uh i was actually married for a while and my ex-wife was our photographer so she would travel with us doing behind the scenes photography and she was at a location called goat man's bridge in denton texas and you know she's behind the
Starting point is 00:03:01 scenes just taking photos while we're doing interviews. And we look over and she just starts getting affected and got real aggressive, real negative. Your wife did? Yeah. And we're like, shit, what's going on? So we, like, approached her and we started talking to her. And she just was not herself. You could tell, like, and I've seen people now, like, there's a change in the eyes that happen. You know, and then you see it and you're like, whoa, all right, like, that's not them.
Starting point is 00:03:22 So something was in her. Yeah, something was in her. Something was affecting her. So you guys got divorced after this is over something overall yeah i mean you know we tried to go through different things you know oh so that lasted yeah for a little bit for like a few more months uh a few more months yeah she took time off the show we were like just stay stay home try to chill try to relax do an exorcism or never we never got that far you know i mean she got possessed bro yeah yeah so we like we're trying you know just you know do what you have to do
Starting point is 00:03:55 take a break shake it and then she just kind of started declining from there and got so did you introduce her to another guy like look this is my wife you can have her oh man but it just you know it just didn't pan out it just didn't work she couldn't shake it ultimately she did i think just totally getting away from like i said that was in nashville too so i don't know if it was the house that just like everything coming home to the that house just like it was oversaturated you know with like negative energy i guess wow you know it's what i do every other week for 13 years so i kind of i guess i'm sadly used to it so would you consider yourself like a dark person
Starting point is 00:04:30 no i think i'm a very positive person i don't well not dark is like not not negative but like dark in the sense of like you've been doing it for 13 years it's like you've dealt with so many different energies it's kind of hard not to be be like, you're engulfed in it. Right. Oh, you're totally engulfed in it. I mean, even just the history. We go to places that like, oh, it was a mess. This guy with an ax chopped up a family.
Starting point is 00:04:53 Like, you know, it gets to you after a while. But I think I've learned now, like over the years, to really be able to ground myself and kind of like focus on what I need to focus on to keeping that positive energy and basically leaving anything negative at the location how do you cleanse I use a polo Santo it's kind of like a sage it's actually these wooden sticks yeah from South America that I think work better than sage Wow we have a whole other show that we do now called house calls where we focus on people's actual homes and try to go in and help them kind of cleanse their homes and
Starting point is 00:05:25 deal with whatever they're and i find paula santa works better than sage but also for me i think it's big like your mental state that you're in at the time like if you're dealing with something negative and this is across the board like even just in life you know not even dealing with paranormal i think keeping whatever it is that makes you happy you know if you're religious you pray you do whatever you want to do to create that positive energy. For me, I like to create. I'm an artist. I'm a musician. I will, you know, I come home after an intense investigation. I go to my recording studio. I play music. You know, I write, I create films. Like I just do something creative with that energy to make me feel positive. Or I'll go hike in nature, you know, ground myself and, you know,
Starting point is 00:06:04 take my dog for a hike, things like that, just to, you know, ground myself and, you know, take my dog for a hike, things like that, just to, you know, whatever it is, whatever it is to keep you positive and just not let that negative energy overtake you. So are, are ghosts real? Yeah, a hundred percent. I mean, I've been doing this a long time, you know, professionally 13 years. And even before we can go back when I was a kid, I experiences wow uh from seeing things in the woods and kind of like i was a weird kid growing up i kind of was into weird stuff and just everything i just wanted to know like what is out there you know like myths and you know mythological creatures and you know crypto you know zoology things like that like i was all into it so i studied all of it and
Starting point is 00:06:41 then uh had experiences had crazy experiences with the ouija board as a teenager really yeah i had a friend actually get possessed during the ouija board and try to sit me in the throat with whoa you serious yeah 100 that was absolutely terrifying this was uh i mean to back up this was i mean i was like 17 it was a i was playing in a band it was like we finished band practice and we're like all right let's do the ouija board tonight and it's crazy like you sell these things in a toy story yeah you know like 10 bucks right and we're just like all right let's go all out we really want to experience this we want to have like a creepy scary experience and we're very young and dumb like we didn't know so we get everything like ritualistic we can we have incense with candles we have a dagger we have like a bowl of water just anything ritualistic we're like let's go all out tonight and just really you know freak ourselves out i
Starting point is 00:07:29 guess so i started we started playing and started talking to us and it kept saying its name was z something uh like it said it was a little boy spirit which first of all you can never trust these things because like how do you know who you're really talking to but it claimed to be a little boy uh and then i noticed the incense smoke was blowing down to the dagger that we had and i was like that's kind of weird right so i pick up the dagger i move it to the other side the smoke changes and goes to the dagger again wow i'm like all right this is kind of weird i was like hey everyone check this out i just started moving it around and everywhere i moved it the smoke would actually follow to
Starting point is 00:08:02 the dagger so then i was like hey are you attracted to the dagger? And it said, yes. And I was like, all right. And then I asked the stupidest question I've ever asked in my entire life. I said, can you come through the dagger into us? And it said, yes. And we're all like, all right, like we take our hands off. We all step back. We're like, all right, like, like, what are we going to do here? Like, all right. We're like, well, this is what we wanted. We wanted to go all out. We wanted to experience it. So like, we're like, let's do it. So me and my buddy, the other guitarist, like we're like, all right, we'll do it. We'll both hold the daggers in a sheath, you know, like so you can hold it.
Starting point is 00:08:34 So we both lay on the ground. We hold it. We're like, all right, you can come through us now. I got this feeling of just overwhelming sadness. It's the weirdest feeling like to feel sadness in your toes, like just from my toes all through my body. It was just like a feeling overwhelming sadness. It's the weirdest feeling, like, to feel sadness in your toes. Like, just from my toes all through my body, it was just like a feeling of sadness. Remember, we're on our backs. He jumps up.
Starting point is 00:08:52 Now, his knees are on my shoulders, and he's trying to pull the knife out of the sheath, and we're fighting, and he's up on top of me. He breaks it open, pulls it out of the sheath, and he pushes the knife towards my throat, and I'm holding him like this, shaking, like, as hard like holding him back and it's past my chin so it's like there if i let go you're done a percent he would have like just jammed it right through me wow probably lasted like maybe 10 seconds he just suddenly went limp full tears crying had no idea what happened
Starting point is 00:09:21 and was just like just totally shaking uh and we're just like all right i guess we're done like we got it we got uh more than what we wanted you know this was at your house yeah well we kind of it started in my parents basement uh and then one of our buddies had to be home so we're like all right let's move it over to your place and we invited it we're like come with us we're gonna go over to this place you You guys invited the demons? Like, hey, what are you doing today? We'll just come. We'll go to my parents' house. Okay.
Starting point is 00:09:49 That's insane. Just dumb teenagers, man. Let me ask you a question. With ghosts, are they stuck here? Because to my understanding, there's a realm that when we pass, right, our spirits leave our body. Right. But some of us are either disturbed or we feel like there's unfinished business or something's going on, so we kind of get stuck here in this planet.
Starting point is 00:10:11 Then we start to torment. Or is the tormenting a demon? Or, like, what's the difference? Like, what actually happens? Why are ghosts here? Right. So, first of all, I always say, like, I don't know 100%. Like, I've experienced a lot of things and I have theories. I have a lot of evidence.
Starting point is 00:10:26 We've captured a lot of things, but I'm not the type of person that's like it's this 100 percent. But like my theory, there's two types of hauntings that we kind of break things into. The first one is called residual haunting, where like I try to describe it as if like, say, you walking up and down this hallway, you sit in that chair every day and you pass away like a bit of your energy it makes sense your energy still sticks around a little bit of your energy could still be like just lingering in that hallway or sitting in a chair or something like that and under the right circumstances the right variables also with the right perspective like an open mind things like that you can actually capture and basically experience some of that energy.
Starting point is 00:11:05 Kind of like a loop. Like it's just like a record player just like going on a loop. But he's not here to hurt you. Right. It's just like a lingering vibe. And like that's kind of related to like if you've ever been in a room working and something, and you can just feel that someone walked in the room. Like even before they say anything, you're like, oh, someone's in here.
Starting point is 00:11:22 Like there's just that feeling. When you're asleep, you can kind of feel someone. So that's the one kind of haunting. And that 100% makes sense to me. I'm a big believer in energy, positive and negative energy as well. If there was a mass f***er, evil thing, there's going to be some dark negative energy that's stuck there and left over from that.
Starting point is 00:11:40 So that makes sense. That's the easy one to me. The hard part is the intelligent communication the intelligent haunting and we get those a lot where we'll ask intelligent haunting yep where we will ask questions we use different devices uh simply answer them they'll answer directly so that means that the ghosts and spirits still have a conscience right they're conscious they're aware of us too wow which is a whole wild that's the one that still blows my mind but i've experienced it over and over again and that's the one that's still like like i've still like i'm just you
Starting point is 00:12:10 know even thinking so is that what our conscience basically is it's our spirit there could be our spirit yeah this is just like a vessel like this is just matter because in order for them to ask questions they would they have to have some kind of comprehension or like an awareness. Separate from the brain. Separate from the brain. Wow. That's crazy to think about. So it has a way of answering questions, like normal questions.
Starting point is 00:12:34 Not asking the intricate questions, answering questions normally. Another way I've kind of thought about it too and put it into perspective is the idea that there's no such thing as time. That time is something that we've created to kind of organize our life right and that everything that has happened is happening and will happening is all happening at the same time right and it's our perspective it's our consciousness that allows us to experience this moment you know but under the right circumstances there's i feel like there been moments, and maybe it's even geologically, or that's what I'm still trying to figure out, is there's moments where it crosses over, almost like you could see through a veil,
Starting point is 00:13:15 and they call it that, the veil. You can see into these other time periods, these other areas. A good example, the movie The Conjuring. Yeah, scary as we yeah so we investigated the original house that the entire movie was based out of uh and it was terrifying 100 terrifying and uh i did this ritual down in the basement uh that's kind of a thing i do too so the energy was still there oh yeah 100 and when we interviewed uh one of the kids that like her mom was the one that was possessed from the original Conjuring.
Starting point is 00:13:46 Of course, the movie plays it up, but the true story is creepy enough as it is. So the way she described it is that her mom got to a point where she realized that she was seeing an older family living in the house. And at first, it freaks you out. You're like, it's haunted, and you lose your mind. It's crazy. But when she realized that, she kind of made peace with it. And she was kind of like, we're living here as well as other generations, other time periods of this family. And for some reason, she was able to see that.
Starting point is 00:14:16 So in the basement, I did a ritual to open up a portal that I found. And I went upstairs and I started walking around. There's four of us on the show. Nobody else was in the house. It was just me. I walked around for, I don't even know exactly how long, like, and we still don't know exactly, I'll guess at least an hour and I'm yelling. I'm trying to call for everybody. Can't find everybody. I walked through the whole house. They couldn't hear me. Like no one was around. And all of a sudden I'm sitting there and I'm kind of like honestly starting to break down like mentally, all right this is this is crazy like I'm kind of losing my mind and then our
Starting point is 00:14:48 host main host Zach just walks right out and he's like he's like what are you doing I was like what are you doing like I've been like calling and yelling for you guys and like he came out of a room that I was just in too and they were just they were nowhere to be found and I personally feel like I kind of crossed over into that like what she was talking about how like i'm in another time period or dimension whatever you want to call it i'm not a percent but that's what the experience was like for me personally so can you actually let's say you can see them or feel them right so what about like around people like have you ever met someone it could be not in a in
Starting point is 00:15:25 home you just kind of met him and like oh there's a ghost behind you or uh no not necessarily like that i don't so you can't think i want to no i mean i've seen ghosts like i've seen them like apparitions i remember there was one we were filming this place in uh arizona it was like an old wild west kind of thing and they had reenactors they would do reenactments like shootouts and stuff like that to entertain the people. And we were getting ready to investigate. And I remember I went and I rolled all the cameras and I'm walking back to what we call our nerve center, like our main base.
Starting point is 00:15:55 And everybody should be out. You know, it's all just us in there. No one else. I'm walking up and I see a full on cowboy just like walk past me. Wow. Like, what the hell? Like, we like we're filming like we're about to start why is there a worker still here you know i actually got pissed off and i went around the corner from where he was coming from and i saw the other guys and i was like who's this guy like they're supposed to be cleared out i thought we're good to go and they're like what are you talking about and i'm like no like literally a cowboy
Starting point is 00:16:22 just walked by and they're like no like no one came by and then i looked and like you could see like where the exit was and everything and there was nobody there but it was so real to me that i didn't even think it was a ghost i literally just thought it was a guy and got pissed like why do you think it's hard to pick them up on cameras uh i think it's too i think it's a lot like camera technology, too. That's why we shoot in a lot of different light spectrums. So we shoot in a lot of IR light. We shoot in ultraviolet light. We use thermal cameras. We use we even have like LIDAR mapping systems now that we've gotten some amazing evidence where like the technology is so precise now. Like you could put it in this room and map out this room, you know, you would see everything in there.
Starting point is 00:17:03 But then like right in the middle, know it's empty right but you would like see some kind of mass or a figure that's like standing in the middle and you're like all right like wow what is that there you know why is that there that shouldn't be there that's like military stuff right yeah yeah yeah it's just starting to come come out now like a lot of like construction like you know scanning buildings and things that use that nice so we could see through walls and stuff it's in green right uh no this is actually like it's like it almost looks like a cgi like like a 3d rendering of a location uh but we've done that a few places we just did it over in lake mead lake mead's haunted oh yeah we uh just just premiered wait i didn't know that there's bodies in there so oh yeah we just did a two-hour special. It just kicked off our new season there.
Starting point is 00:17:45 We called it Lake of Death. Wow. So, like, I don't know if you heard about in the news, there was, like, barrels, like, washing up and showing up because the water level is dropping. So they're finding barrels with bodies in them. Really? And so that piqued our interest. We're like, all right, we got to get out there. We got to see what this is about.
Starting point is 00:18:00 Thinking that was it. It was just going to be an investigation focused on those couple things. We start interviewing the National Park Service, former rangers things like that yeah they start telling us this is nothing new this has been happening year after year like they're always finding bodies and that over a course of so many years they released all these files to me uh that they found over 3 000 deaths in that park since like the late 80s early 90s something like that holy boating accidents car accidents plane crashes like all kinds of stuff whoa and we heard that we're like holy shit like this is a much bigger investigation than we thought it was going to be
Starting point is 00:18:39 uh they were even telling us there was a guy that like was living off the grid like just literally because lake mead's huge there was a guy living way out in an area uh he had like a ritual tent and he was like worshiping something out there and then these fishermen came across him and were like this guy's creeping weird you know so they called the rangers the rangers show up he charged at the rangers with a machete and the rangers just shoot him dead right there because he was just running at him wow so we went we investigated there like uh which took it was a two-hour atv ride to get there just because there was no there's no roads it was just totally off we had to actually drive up to mesquite and then take a two-hour atv like off-road all the way down to get to this spot and then too while we're there like another thing that just stepped it up even farther was
Starting point is 00:19:25 we're talking once again you know like that's why we made it a two-hour special because at first it was just like yeah you basically documented the whole journey yeah yeah and then uh you know we were talking to rangers and they were like oh yeah we see shapeshifters out here all the time too and we're like holy we didn't realize it was that intense where they would see like these humans like turn into creatures or creatures turn into humans out in the desert yeah bigfoot right like kind of like bigfoot any kind of crypto thing you know what do you mean shape shifters so like they would see like they would just see a person running right and be like why is that person running and they're watching them and all of a sudden they just shape shift and they turn into
Starting point is 00:20:01 some kind of creature animal that's a real thing yeah yeah bigfoot yeah what do you mean there's a documentary i'll put you on but bigfoot is real bro yeah uh skinwalkers yeah there's another one that they're go by what's skinwalkers uh it's kind of the same thing it's like this creature that's just like this like humanoid half human half animal type creature that like can stand up but like runs on all fours and that's real yeah i mean we've captured enough stuff where like there's something to it like once again i don't know 100 exactly what it is uh but on this lake meat investigation we caught twice two different types of equipment what we actually think is a shapeshifter and it wasn't it there it wasn't like a like a shadow it was an actual oh yeah no and that's the thing too like and i think a lot of
Starting point is 00:20:49 people don't realize too when you see the show like it's edited down so it's a highlight reel basically we're out there for a long time doing this stuff uh so we try to debunk things you know shapeshifters is like an actual human you can touch yeah it looks like a physical it looks like but is it real or is it just in the i mean i haven't gotten close enough to to shake hands with one or anything but yeah i mean it looks just as physical as you would imagine anything else wow that's crazy yeah so seeing that you've met a lot of uh you know bad energy style you know ghosts and spirits and demons have you ever met any of them that are pleasant yeah just sweet maybe like sweet people like just don't want to hurt
Starting point is 00:21:31 anybody like sweet yeah like sweet grandma it's kind of hard to say sweet people because like totally i mean we do we tend to focus more on the you know the crazier darker stuff it's kind of just the route we went and it kind of but we've been to locations uh actually not too far from here yeah halfway between here and reno there's a place called goldfield uh there's a place called the goldfield hotel just like massive abandoned building um and we were in there and it's a this place is just it's evil like it's 100 evil uh we've caught things lifting off the ground and go flying through the air by itself on camera was that the place you said you woke up and you were getting drugged down no that was at the museum here you gotta tell you about that one uh but yeah in goldfield uh so we've called like rocks lifting up go flying we call it the guys originally when they did the documentary like 15 plus years ago at the beginning
Starting point is 00:22:22 before the show even existed they called a brick there flying by itself and that's kind of what got them i guess more notary and kind of blew them up more um but this place there's a there's a story there about a woman who the owner i guess like she was like and he got her pregnant but he chained her up to the radiator inside of a room in the hotel and just left her there and like would feed her, but like basically kept her prisoner and just kept her a secret. Like, you know, this can't get out. And then she had the baby and then he apparently threw the baby down a well.
Starting point is 00:22:55 Like it's a story. And so we went into that room and we brought flowers in to like, you know, kind of be like, that's, we're so sorry this happened. And you can still see there's still the radiator there at the time. And we put the flowers down and we start using different devices that, uh, basically the easy way to describe how they work is that they use changes in the electromagnetic energy, uh, which is one of the theories that spirits can actually manipulate electromagnetic energy. then they could choose words um or like use different frequencies to communicate through uh and we started getting you know like thank you
Starting point is 00:23:30 flowers like started coming through and we you know we're like that's pretty spot on you know like wow you could say anything they were saying thank you it was saying thank you flowers things like that and then we look over and we just see the flowers like as if someone's like like touching them like almost like petting a cat kind of thing and you just see the flowers like as if someone's like Like touching them like almost like petting a cat kind of thing and you see the flowers just start like lightly moving That's why it was it was beautiful like we all like actually kind of like cried had like an overwhelming like sense of like like beauty There you go. Was that a ghost? Yo, no way. No fucking way. No. Bro.
Starting point is 00:24:08 Bro. That's never happened. No way. All these damn episodes. Yo. No fucking way. That just scared the fuck out of me. 150 episodes.
Starting point is 00:24:20 That's never happened. Bro. What was that anyways? Bro. They had a cover on there or something. That's insane, bro. Oh, no. Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:24:31 I'm out, bro. I'm out. No way. You should have got up. We're just going to take a break to change our shorts. Oh, that's funny. You see that? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:49 I mean, you probably could see on the camera. Yeah's wild camera might have got that yo that's crazy that's not oh my god but that that would pretty much confirm your theory about time being just all in one moment all there and too like we've had uh what's crazy too we've had moments where like you know once it's like all right we're going to a location we'll hear from the owners soon as we booked like we like got the contracts and we're like all right we're good to go we're gonna go film there uh they're like soon as you we did that like stuff started happening uh've gotten like, our names have been called out in locations before we've gotten there. So it's almost like this weird, like they know sometimes like before it's going to happen,
Starting point is 00:25:32 which is wow. So time is just made up. It's not chronological. It's just, I mean, I was just, it's your perspective. Yeah. It's just, it's our perspective. It's our consciousness, our spirit, whatever you want to call it. Like it's, it's our personal, like we're viewing everything from this point right now you know what i mean
Starting point is 00:25:49 so what happened that night at the museum uh which museum uh zach bagans haunted museum yeah so uh we i've spent a lot of time in that building so you were asleep there yeah you wanted to sleep there yeah we were uh we were we were filming there uh you. You wanted to sleep there. Yeah. We were filming there. Wow. You know, we've filmed there a bunch. We've done like a six-hour live show there. It actually saved us when the pandemic hit because our show was shut down for like about a month. And we're like, what are we going to do? Like, we can't travel.
Starting point is 00:26:17 So Zach pitched it to the network to be like, hey, why don't we do Ghost Adventures Quarantine? And just the four of us will live in campers in the parking lot of the museum and we just stayed there for like two weeks and just filmed a whole mini series just focusing on that um but one of the first times we ever investigated it uh we decided we're going to spend the night in there this was like early on zach just got it just started setting it up and i'm and i'm sleeping in the front room which first of all it took forever to fall asleep it was the hardest place to ever just get comfortable and sleep and i was on like a camping cot you know like one of those folding out little camp cuts and i'm laying in there finally fall asleep i get woken up in the middle of the night at some point and i
Starting point is 00:27:00 just woke up feeling like because it's like a cloth thing and i feel like something hitting underneath of it and there's no space like it's like a cloth thing, and I feel like something hitting underneath of it. And there's no space. It's pretty small. But I feel something hit my feet, and I kind of jump up, and I'm like, what the hell was that? Like, all right. And I'm looking around, and I can see that we have cameras filming us sleeping.
Starting point is 00:27:17 And I can see a camera, and I can see it's pitch black, but there's a little bit of ambient light from the camera. And I just see the shadow just flash past it. and i was like like all right what was that so i start yelling for the guys like it was like hey is anyone awake like just yelling to be like something just happened uh eventually like it took some time but they wake up they start coming in one by one like what's going on i was like i don't know like something hit my bed i woke up i saw a dark shadow go by and then i looked down and i realized like i'd noticed i almost tripped there was like a rug and the rug was all bundled up and i looked down and i realized at that moment that the cot i was on was actually
Starting point is 00:27:54 drug out into the hallway a little bit like i was in a room like kind of like it was like a big entryway but like i was kind of in the room but like and i realized when i got up like it was actually drug in and it was like partially in the entrance way like out into the next part and you could tell that it was dragged because like the carpet was all bundled up under it like it was just like pulled and it pushed up all the carpet and i was just like i can't explain that and we have a camera on me the whole time so you see like no one's there no one's doing anything you didn't feel it uh well i don't know if it was what i felt when i felt something bump on my feet like that so i don't know if that was it or not like it makes sense that it would have been but yeah that was crazy what's uh yeah i was just gonna say like that when like when like something moves and there's nothing there it's totally
Starting point is 00:28:39 scary like i've had i've been dragged backwards what do you mean uh so we were filming in this place in prescott arizona it was like an old saloon like wild i don't know something about these wild west towns that are just off the hook and uh they were saying that this evil entity resided in the basement and there was a crawl space and they're like that's where it comes from there was workers that would go down there terrified to go to work they want to deal with it so i get sent in it was my you know kind of picked a short straw to like i was terrified to go to work. They want to deal with it. So I get sent in. It was my, you know, kind of picked a short straw to, like, I was going to go into this crawl space by myself and investigate it. So I'm crawling, and I'm a pretty big guy, and I'm on my belly.
Starting point is 00:29:14 Like, it's only, like, this deep, you know. And I'm on my belly crawling. I have a camera in my hand, like, going through. Nothing's really happening. I start being like, all right, I'm going to start antagonizing. Like, this is, like, some kind of bully spirit thing, messing with these people, so I'm going to start messing with it, through nothing's really happening i start being like all right i'm gonna start antagonizing like this is like some kind of bully spirit thing messing with these people so i'm gonna start messing with it try to get it to come out so i started antagonizing calling it out and all of a
Starting point is 00:29:33 sudden something grabs my leg and there's nothing there and literally you can see me i have the camera like this kind of shooting back behind me uh i dropped the camera and i actually get pulled backwards in the crawl space a good three or four feet and drop the camera and i actually get pulled backwards in the crawl space a good three or four feet and you can see on camera i get pulled away from the camera there's nothing behind me at all and i lose it i freak out uh but i'm in a crawl space so i can't just like get up and run away so they can do anything they want to i think so i think you know i think i don't know i don't know if it's always at a different entity it could be that's the thing i don't know exactly it's like... Or is that a different entity? It could be. That's what I'm asking. That's the thing. I don't know exactly what it is.
Starting point is 00:30:05 It could have been a different entity. It could also be like... I mean, it sounds kind of weird, but I don't know if you've ever seen that movie Ghost. Ghost? Was it Patrick Swayze? Yeah, with Patrick Swayze. And then there's a whole thing where he almost like... When he first is like a ghost and he's trying to communicate with people he knows, and he
Starting point is 00:30:21 can at first, but he almost like he has to learn how to how to do it kind of so i don't know if like some spirits are better at it than others or some spirits have like more experience more intelligent more power more abilities to be able to interact with our world or yeah you know but yeah that that's just another one where like like i said when something moves and it shouldn't you know and that was definitely probably one of my top terrifying moments for sure. What about locations? What places really spooked you? Yeah, I mean, this last,
Starting point is 00:30:51 the Lake Mead special we just did was pretty scary. It was kind of scary in a way where, like, we didn't expect it. What about the house on, there was a house up the street that was calling it Super Haunted, bro. It was right there on the floor. You sure it's not the Zach Bagans house?
Starting point is 00:31:05 Is it? The Zach Bagans museum? There's a few in I was right there on the phone. You sure it's not the Zach Bagans house? Is it? The Zach Bagans museum? There's a few in here. It's on Pecos. It was like the most haunted house. It's on Pecos? We're on Pecos right now. Yeah, they actually tore it down.
Starting point is 00:31:14 Okay, I think I remember. I think I know what you're talking about. You've heard of it though, right? Yeah, I think they might have because I joined the second year of the show. It was so haunted that they tore it down. Yeah, I think they might have done it. We've actually done that.
Starting point is 00:31:26 Oh, for real? Yeah. Like, destroyed a whole home? Yeah. Just because it was too much? It was too intense, yeah. They actually do that? Yeah, we did a documentary called Demon House.
Starting point is 00:31:38 And we focused, there was this house in Gary, Indiana that it broke the news. It was known for being terribly haunted uh and not even just haunted but like evil like this uh woman and her family her kids were getting affected but what made this one stand out differently there's so many credible sources like police officers the chief of police social workers all these things they started investigating the family because the kids were showing up like messed up so they're like we got to investigate this family and then they started experiencing they like experienced a kid walk backwards up a wall
Starting point is 00:32:09 and like all kinds of so uh i don't know if you saw that so i remember like i remember seeing the news and be like man that's crazy and then i think i was flying out to uh investigation and as soon as i landed zach was already texting me he's like have you seen this and i was like yeah and then we were like talking he's like i'm gonna buy that house so he like he tracked down the owner and bought that house in gary indiana and we spent like a few years kind of going to this house like in between film and the regular show and you know it was just pure evil like i think that was probably one of the most like just evil like there's no good not just like a human spirit that's just like mischievous or like like this was just so I don't know what it is, but something was there. It was pure evil. We found remnants of rituals that we think were done in the basement.
Starting point is 00:32:57 We don't know if someone went in there and like opened something up that like that brought it in. But it was bad. Everybody that stepped into that house you know even like you know eventually we like set up wi-fi the wi-fi guy would come to install he would have problems he would leave get into a car accident or something or no i don't think was he the car i don't know the chief of police like would slip on ice after he let like it was just every person that would come into that house even innocently even not, you know, to talk to us about it. Like, you know, from like, just to do the lawn, right. Just to do like, yeah. And then they would be calling us like a little bit later, like, Hey,
Starting point is 00:33:31 like this just happened to me. We're like, yeah, that's insane. Wow. So you guys got rid of the whole house. Yeah. It was, you got to a point where, can you even build on that still? Or it has to be a vacant lot, right? Well, that's the thing. That's what's kind of interesting. And I think that's part of, I guess, the bigger experiment is, does it stay? Does it linger?
Starting point is 00:33:52 Does it move somewhere else? Or is it attached to the physical object? I do know that there's a thing called the stone tape theory, which is organic surfaces like wood, any kind of matter matter like rocks, things like that. They have a memory. And this was actually proven scientifically through a scientist in Japan that would take water samples and freeze them. So you would take water from like the mountains, like beautiful spring water, and you would freeze it would form these beautiful crystals. And then he would take like city water out of the sewer and freeze that. And it would be like
Starting point is 00:34:25 malfigured and disfigured and not symmetrical and then he would project positive energy to seeing that i've seen this experiment like wow yeah so they proved objects have energy basically and then he would memory and he would project that and we can make it exactly and he would project positive energy to like the sewer water and then he would refreeze it and then now it's beautiful crystals whoa and then he would take like the beautiful spring water that previously made beautiful crystals and be like i hate you and like project negative energy to it and then when you would freeze that and look at it it would be all disfigured that's basically pro prove that like energy positive and negative can actually affect organic matter on a molecular
Starting point is 00:35:03 level you know they say with plants when there's negative people around plants it kills them yeah yeah for sure yeah are you arguing right so it makes sense that like if something is just evil or like you know there's just like i'm like just something just pure evil in a spot like it's going to literally soak into the wall so jay how do you sleep at night do you have nightmares tough yeah yeah like when was the last time you actually slept eight hours i mean i could probably check my stats you know i've been trying to track and kind of actually pay attention to it but like not much really like for real like yeah so you're carrying a lot of energy around yeah yeah i've walked into actually here in town i went to like
Starting point is 00:35:38 some one of the crystal shops one day i told you to get out and somebody was like she's like whoa and i'm like what she's like you got a lot around you i was like okay and she like didn't know who i was at first either like so it wasn't just like oh you're jay from ghost adventures uh so you don't sleep at night i mean i do i do i think i don't sleep well necessarily why why do you think takes away hey jay no i think i don't know i mean it could honestly be a mixture of PTSD, too, because, like, we've been through so many. Like, we've done well over 300 investigations. I mean, that's just with the regular show. Yeah, that's insane.
Starting point is 00:36:13 Not counting spinoffs and specials, things like that. What's your ultimate goal with this? Because it seems like you're going to, like, you feel like you're going to get hurt doing this at some point. Yeah, and I have been. I've broken a rib on an investigation. I'm literally just overcoming. You can see I got an ankle brace on. I dislocated my ankle.
Starting point is 00:36:30 Jeez. You know, like, I busted up my back one time. And, too, like, we do this in the dark. So, like, you're going to fall down. Yeah. I was coming out of a basement once, and I pushed a storm door up, and I slipped, and it fell in my hand, and my head went through the door. Oh, my gosh. So there's definitely many ways to get hurt.
Starting point is 00:36:47 So what's the goal? What are you trying to accomplish or prove being the ghost hunter? Because eventually you're going to meet your match. Right? Yeah. I mean, I think that all the time. Like, there's been a part of me, like, but I think it's going to be the Thanos of demons. Right. Yeah, exactly. And I think like, I don't know, I feel like one, you know, maybe it's a bit of craziness, but I think it's that passion and desire to like want to know what happens.
Starting point is 00:37:19 Like, you know, and I think a lot of people don't realize like it's not just a TV show. Like this is our lives. We do this like a lot of TV shows will film, you know, for a few months and then they take the rest of the year off. Like, we shoot every other week nonstop since, like, I've been with it for 13 years. Wow. So you wanted to know what happens, right? Yeah. I think that's everybody knows. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:38 Yeah, but then, like, what happens once you find out what happened? The day you find out what happens, it's like your story ends. So do you get to tell us a story? Are you trying to leave a legacy or just kind of enlighten us on about life and death? Yeah, I think, I don't know. It's weird because I hear from a lot of fans that they'll say our show's giving them comfort, even though it scares them. But just knowing there's something more than just this, i think gives a lot of people comfort for sure and brings people
Starting point is 00:38:08 together in a way you know and i think a lot of people are looking for that and you know don't have that in their day-to-day lives so like i feel like that's the good side of what we do yeah you know and i think it is just like a natural curiosity you know it's like what is it and like we've been doing it for so long and i've had moments where i'm like all right you've seen things lift off the ground i've been scratched i've had scratches appear on me and actually see them manifest you know i've seen spirits i've heard spirits i've seen exorcisms possessions all kinds of things so i'm always like what else could there be like what else and then we'll go and do an investigation and i'm just like you know like lake mead like all right we're going out here just another investigation we call it shapeshifters like just my mind just is constantly keeps being
Starting point is 00:38:49 blown and you know the four of us were still 100 into it we love it it's like it's our life it's our passion yeah so i think it's like it's weird like and it's a rush honestly like i personally i could never go skydiving like the idea of skydiving terrorized me. But like. But a demon don't. Skydiving is scary. But there's that. I get it.
Starting point is 00:39:10 I get why people would like skydiving. You know what I mean? Because there is that adrenaline rush that and it's the same thing with investigating, you know, spirits. Are you prepared for when you have to experience an exorcism yourself well do you feel like you're strong enough to sustain that like are you are you do you know at some point it's gonna happen i mean i like to think so because i mean i have had different experiences i've had had moments where i felt like there's things that are like i don't know if trying to get into like you know grasping their claws in you a little bit not fully got you but like you could tell like they're
Starting point is 00:39:44 trying to hold on yeah and i've been to shake it. And I think that is just from the experience of doing what we do over and over again and, and witnessing it with other people and kind of finding what works for me and just sticking with that. Yeah. Have you guys ever thought about bringing like a psychic with you to communicate? Yeah. And we've done that a few times. We've had psychics. I think psychics are hit or miss. We have a few ones that we've worked with that have been great. I think for me and I know some personal friends of mine that were psychics that have like called me in the middle of the night and be like, what's going on? Are you all right? And it was just like something crazy was happening. And so like, I don't know, I'm hit or miss. Like, I think they have to like kind of prove
Starting point is 00:40:20 themselves in a way, which, you know, is still like the skeptic part of me which is even when we investigate like i still approach it skeptically um but yeah i do believe and i've experienced you know different things where they've said things where i'm like all right there's no way they could possibly know that right what was that person you were telling me about they could predict even more a seer a seer yeah you guys ever brought a seer on uh i don't think anyone that like necessarily like referenced themselves in seer but we've had brought a seer on uh i don't think anyone that like necessarily like referenced themselves in seer but we've had people that like kind of would like say almost like i don't know because it's weird twisted like almost like a riddle like kind of thing i've had one i have one cleanse my house and she uh explained to me that you have to cleanse the
Starting point is 00:41:01 corners right because that's what they lie that's's where they store. True, right? Yeah. So as she was cleansing the corners, she had nothing in her hand, but there was a sound, a screeching sound. She was using bleach. Okay. Right? Bleach is a cleansing, bleaching water or something like that. But there was like a screeching sound that happened. But I guess she said whatever was in there was neutral so it wasn't it was a lost story or something like that but um it was like a screeching sound almost like a
Starting point is 00:41:32 scratching of the walls bro it was so creepy it was just me and me and her there and i was standing right next to her so she didn't do it she had nothing in her hand but it was a sound and um she said it left whatever it was but she said it wasn't it wasn't like it was an indifferent she called it an indifferent so yeah yeah yeah we've witnessed that uh like visually i've seen that like during exorcisms like watching them happen and you there's almost like a moment where you could see whatever was affecting them like the negative energy like actually leave their body and like like i said it's like an eye change like something in their eyes. And like, like I said, it's like an eye change, like something in their eyes or demeanor. And like,
Starting point is 00:42:06 they almost just like, kind of like a story I told earlier about my friend. Like there's just a point where like all of a sudden it's gone and you just like, you go limp and you're just like, kind of like what just happened to me kind of thing. Have you ever had sleep paralysis? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:19 Yeah. I've experienced that a few times. What is that? Cause I'm here. I hear so many different stories. For me, I got it once. I couldn't move, but my eyes were open. And some guy was choking me out, like a shadow person.
Starting point is 00:42:31 I get it. I've got it often. I don't even know how many times I can count. But it's not normal. But when it happens, I'm like, oh, shit. Yeah, I feel like there is a... What is it? There is a...
Starting point is 00:42:43 I guess part of it is there is an actual explanation like so when we sleep our bodies actually release a chemical that paralyzes us uh it basically stops us from acting out our dreams uh which actually is a mental condition of like there are people out there it's very rare but like there's people that don't release that chemical sleepwalk and then they'll like sleepwalk Or like there was a case where a guy actually like he like went to bed, woke up the next morning. He had dreams that he was deer hunting and he woke up and his wife was dead with an arrow through her. Whoa. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:14 So like so it is a natural thing that our brain does to like stop us from trying to act out our dreams. And it will paralyze you. So like there's a belief that like, oh, maybe you just happen to kind of wake up with that chemical in you and like you're paralyzed but you're awake um but then what's interesting is like what you were saying is that that happens but then there's like a shadow figure or like there's other physical manifestations uh i had that a similar thing where i spent the entire night locked in a jail cell by myself and all the band in prison uh like down actually it wasn't even a prison it was like this mansion but they had like a prison under base it was weird down in the basement like these cells and i spent the night down there by myself and eventually it was just
Starting point is 00:43:53 like all right i'm in a room so i try to investigate i try to do things i got to a point where i was like all right i'm just in here until the other guys are done and they come and lock me out you know and uh so i ended up falling asleep in there and i remember i woke up and uh it was the weirdest thing because like we were filming it too so like seeing myself and like i guess at some point i like take my shoes off and i'm not even aware of it and like i don't sleepwalk i don't do that but then i remember being like waking up paralyzed and i'm seeing something and all of a sudden like i'm full awake and i i describe as a gray alien honestly like i saw like a gray alien honestly like i saw
Starting point is 00:44:25 like a gray alien standing above me and i just kind of freaked out and it was gone wow yeah i do i believe i don't know like my personal theory about it is like and same thing like who knows like it could be anything you know like but uh what i think of gray aliens is actually us from the future because if you think about it from a anatomical kind of sense you know like from evolution if you look at like you know the evolution of the human species you know our our jaws were bigger and our heads were smaller right so if you start fast forwarding that evolution our jaws are going bigger that's why our wisdom teeth messes up is because actually our jaws shrinking inward like this so that's like on the edge of an evolutionary step.
Starting point is 00:45:07 There are some kids now that are being born without wisdom teeth. Right, exactly. So it's like our jaws are moving this way and our heads are getting bigger. Our brains are getting more evolved. So like fast forward that, we're going to have the little chin, the big head, kind of like a gray alien look, right? I hope not. I like that there. But now think of this so like what's it
Starting point is 00:45:26 look like that so if in the future there's some kind of catastrophe which everyone talks about one day it's going to happen whether it's an asteroid or fire flow like anything whatever it is it's going to be something that's going to force the human civilization to go underground what's going to happen evolutionary if humans go underground it's going to be dark they're going to lose pigmentation in their skin they're going to turn gray they're going to be washed out their eyes are going to have to get bigger to be able to see in darker light like so it basically in my point of view that's showing that we could easily evolve into like the typical gray alien wow i like that theory man jay i've learned a lot about ghosts from you, man. That was a great episode.
Starting point is 00:46:05 I think we caught a ghost on camera. We might have to watch the footage. We're going to have to watch that. Man, any closing comments for people watching? I mean, thanks. This was fun. That was awesome. We keep doing it. We have new episodes right now coming on Discovery every Wednesday night.
Starting point is 00:46:22 We do it so you guys don't have to i guess like we do some crazy stuff i'm not going to lake mead bro yeah no i mean i've already just skied there so it's not i mean oh yeah well during the day you're fine yeah it's weird like you go out there like night like there's uh there's these old railroad tunnels and you go hiking there and i remember i was there during the day at one point i went after the film and i went with some friends you gotta check this place out. The sun started going down, and they were all like,
Starting point is 00:46:49 what is with this place? I was like, yeah, man, this is where we call the shapeshifter. I didn't even tell anybody ahead of time. It was afterwards. But they all picked up on it. As soon as the sun starts going down, it changes the vibe. Wow. That's sick.
Starting point is 00:47:05 Wade, you can follow me on Instagram at Ghost Adventures. Digital Soul Shower. Thanks for tuning in, guys. See you next time. Peace. America. We are endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
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