Digital Social Hour - From Ouija Board to Shapeshifter: Exploring the Paranormal with Jay Wasley | Digital Social Hour #53
Episode Date: July 22, 2023Hey there, paranormal enthusiasts! You won't believe the hair-raising stories we have in store for you in our latest podcast episode. Prepare to be captivated as we dive into the chilling experiences ...of our guest, Jay Wasley, renowned paranormal investigator and star of the Digital Social Hour podcast. From the moment we start, you'll be hooked. Jay takes us on a journey filled with shocking encounters, beginning with a terrifying possession that left him and his friend in mortal danger. But that's just the beginning! Jay shares mind-blowing tales of negative energy following him home from haunted locations, including a spine-chilling house in Nashville where his ex-wife's possession led to their divorce. But don't worry, it's not all darkness. We also explore Jay's methods of grounding himself and channeling positive energy after intense investigations. Through engaging in creative activities and maintaining a positive mental state, Jay shows us how he overcomes the constant exposure to dark energy. As the episode unfolds, we delve into Jay's childhood experiences that ignited his fascination with the paranormal, including encounters with Ouija boards and close calls with spirits from other time periods. Prepare to be amazed as Jay shares his theory about the existence of shapeshifters, Bigfoot, and even the possibility of humans evolving into gray aliens in the future. But the spookiness doesn't end there! We take you on an unforgettable exploration of haunted locations like Lake Mead, where bodies and secrets have been unearthed. Brace yourself for bone-chilling encounters that will leave you questioning the limits of our reality. From heart-stopping possessions to mind-bending encounters with spirits, our podcast episode with Jay Wasley is jam-packed with intense moments that will keep you on the edge of your seat. Don't miss out on this thrilling journey into the paranormal. Tune in now and prepare to be scared, amazed, and left in awe of the unexplained. So grab your headphones, dim the lights, and join us as we unravel the mysteries of the supernatural. This episode of the Digital Social Hour podcast is one you won't want to miss! SPONSORS: AG1: https://www.drinkAG1.com/DSH Hostage Tape: https://hostagetape.com/DSH --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/digitalsocialhour/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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I had a friend actually get possessed during a Ouija board and try to s*** me in the throat with a f***ing knife.
Whoa.
My ex-wife was our photographer.
You know, she's behind the scenes just taking photos while we're doing interviews.
We look over and she just starts getting affected.
It got real aggressive, real negative.
So you guys got divorced after that?
This is over.
Something's in you.
We're done.
I had like an overwhelming sense of like beauty.
Oh, there you go.
Was that a ghost?
What the f*** is this?
Yo, no way.
No f***ing way.
No way.
You should have got up.
We're just going to take a break to change your shorts welcome to the digital social hour i'm your host sean Kelly. I'm here with my co-host, Wayne Lewis.
What up, what up?
And our guest today, Jay Wasley.
How's it going, Wes? Thanks for having me on. This is fun.
Mr. Ghostbuster himself.
I hope I didn't bring any other friends to the studio.
I hope not. I live by myself.
Not anymore.
Has that happened to you, though, where you investigate a place and then come on with it?
Yeah, it actually has.
You know, especially, I mean, we've been doing it for 13 years now.
And I know at the beginning, you know, the backtrack, it's kind of weird.
When we investigate, you want to open yourself up, right?
Because we want to experience it.
We want to capture the evidence.
So there's a level of opening yourself up to this stuff.
And I think at the beginning, I didn't't realize how important it was to close yourself afterwards.
You know, like basically leaving work at work.
And it's happened.
We've come home, all of us, through the years.
We feel like we get oppressed.
We're all happy, chill guys.
But you can tell something's wrong, especially if it's a really intense negative energy we're dealing with.
And it just lingers.
It comes with you.
I was living in Nashville for a while.
For some reason, that house got it the worst.
I don't know if it was just the timing or what.
I would have friends come over and spend the night,
and they say they woke up to a lady standing at the foot of their bed.
And I would wake up at like 2 in the morning.
My dog's just growling at the corner of the house.
Wow.
Just like there's nothing there. And I'm like, all right, right dude just go back to bed uh i was actually married for a while and
my ex-wife was our photographer so she would travel with us doing behind the scenes photography
and she was at a location called goat man's bridge in denton texas and you know she's behind the
scenes just taking photos while we're doing interviews. And we look over and she just starts getting affected and got real aggressive, real negative.
Your wife did?
Yeah.
And we're like, shit, what's going on?
So we, like, approached her and we started talking to her.
And she just was not herself.
You could tell, like, and I've seen people now, like, there's a change in the eyes that happen.
You know, and then you see it and you're like, whoa, all right, like, that's not them.
So something was in her.
Yeah, something was in her.
Something was affecting her. So you guys got divorced after this is over something
overall yeah i mean you know we tried to go through different things you know oh so that
lasted yeah for a little bit for like a few more months uh a few more months yeah she took time
off the show we were like just stay stay home try
to chill try to relax do an exorcism or never we never got that far you know i mean she got
possessed bro yeah yeah so we like we're trying you know just you know do what you have to do
take a break shake it and then she just kind of started declining from there and got so did you
introduce her to another guy like look this is my wife you can have her
oh man but it just you know it just didn't pan
out it just didn't work she couldn't shake it ultimately she did i think just totally getting
away from like i said that was in nashville too so i don't know if it was the house that just like
everything coming home to the that house just like it was oversaturated you know with like
negative energy i guess wow you know it's what i do every other week for 13 years
so i kind of i guess i'm sadly used to it so would you consider yourself like a dark person
no i think i'm a very positive person i don't well not dark is like not not negative but like
dark in the sense of like you've been doing it for 13 years it's like you've dealt with so many
different energies it's kind of hard not to be be like, you're engulfed in it.
Right.
Oh, you're totally engulfed in it.
I mean, even just the history.
We go to places that like, oh, it was a mess.
This guy with an ax chopped up a family.
Like, you know, it gets to you after a while.
But I think I've learned now, like over the years, to really be able to ground myself
and kind of like focus on what I need to focus on to keeping that positive energy
and basically leaving anything negative at the location how do you cleanse I use
a polo Santo it's kind of like a sage it's actually these wooden sticks yeah
from South America that I think work better than sage Wow we have a whole
other show that we do now called house calls where we focus on people's actual
homes and try to go in and help them kind of cleanse their homes and
deal with whatever they're and i find paula santa works better than sage but also for me i think
it's big like your mental state that you're in at the time like if you're dealing with something
negative and this is across the board like even just in life you know not even dealing with
paranormal i think keeping whatever it is that makes you happy you know if you're religious you
pray you do whatever you want to do to create that positive energy. For me, I like to create. I'm an artist. I'm a musician.
I will, you know, I come home after an intense investigation. I go to my recording studio. I
play music. You know, I write, I create films. Like I just do something creative with that energy
to make me feel positive. Or I'll go hike in nature, you know, ground myself and, you know,
take my dog for a hike, things like that, just to, you know, ground myself and, you know, take my dog for a
hike, things like that, just to, you know, whatever it is, whatever it is to keep you positive and
just not let that negative energy overtake you. So are, are ghosts real? Yeah, a hundred percent.
I mean, I've been doing this a long time, you know, professionally 13 years. And even before
we can go back when I was a kid, I experiences wow uh from seeing things in the woods and kind of
like i was a weird kid growing up i kind of was into weird stuff and just everything i just wanted
to know like what is out there you know like myths and you know mythological creatures and
you know crypto you know zoology things like that like i was all into it so i studied all of it and
then uh had experiences had crazy experiences with the ouija board as a teenager really yeah i had a friend actually get possessed during the ouija
board and try to sit me in the throat with whoa you serious yeah 100 that was absolutely terrifying
this was uh i mean to back up this was i mean i was like 17 it was a i was playing in a band it
was like we finished band practice and we're like all right let's do the ouija board tonight and it's crazy like you sell these things in a toy story yeah
you know like 10 bucks right and we're just like all right let's go all out we really want to
experience this we want to have like a creepy scary experience and we're very young and dumb
like we didn't know so we get everything like ritualistic we can we have incense with candles
we have a dagger we have like a bowl of water just anything ritualistic we're like let's go all out tonight and just really you know freak ourselves out i
guess so i started we started playing and started talking to us and it kept saying its name was z
something uh like it said it was a little boy spirit which first of all you can never trust
these things because like how do you know who you're really talking to but it claimed to be a
little boy uh and then i noticed the
incense smoke was blowing down to the dagger that we had and i was like that's kind of weird right
so i pick up the dagger i move it to the other side the smoke changes and goes to the dagger
again wow i'm like all right this is kind of weird i was like hey everyone check this out
i just started moving it around and everywhere i moved it the smoke would actually follow to
the dagger so then i was like hey are you attracted to the dagger? And it said, yes. And I was like, all right. And then I asked the stupidest
question I've ever asked in my entire life. I said, can you come through the dagger into us?
And it said, yes. And we're all like, all right, like we take our hands off. We all step back.
We're like, all right, like, like, what are we going to do here? Like, all right. We're like,
well, this is what we wanted. We wanted to go all out. We wanted to experience it.
So like, we're like, let's do it.
So me and my buddy, the other guitarist, like we're like, all right, we'll do it.
We'll both hold the daggers in a sheath, you know, like so you can hold it.
So we both lay on the ground.
We hold it.
We're like, all right, you can come through us now.
I got this feeling of just overwhelming sadness.
It's the weirdest feeling like to feel sadness in your toes, like just from my toes all through my body. It was just like a feeling overwhelming sadness. It's the weirdest feeling, like, to feel sadness in your toes. Like, just from my toes all through my body,
it was just like a feeling of sadness.
Remember, we're on our backs.
He jumps up.
Now, his knees are on my shoulders,
and he's trying to pull the knife out of the sheath,
and we're fighting, and he's up on top of me.
He breaks it open, pulls it out of the sheath,
and he pushes the knife towards my throat,
and I'm holding him like this, shaking, like, as hard like holding him back and it's past my chin so it's like there
if i let go you're done a percent he would have like just jammed it right through me wow probably
lasted like maybe 10 seconds he just suddenly went limp full tears crying had no idea what happened
and was just like just totally shaking uh and we're just like all right
i guess we're done like we got it we got uh more than what we wanted you know this was at your
house yeah well we kind of it started in my parents basement uh and then one of our buddies
had to be home so we're like all right let's move it over to your place and we invited it we're like
come with us we're gonna go over to this place you You guys invited the demons? Like, hey, what are you doing today?
We'll just come.
We'll go to my parents' house.
Okay.
That's insane.
Just dumb teenagers, man.
Let me ask you a question.
With ghosts, are they stuck here?
Because to my understanding, there's a realm that when we pass, right, our spirits leave our body.
Right.
But some of us are either disturbed or we feel like there's unfinished business
or something's going on, so we kind of get stuck here in this planet.
Then we start to torment.
Or is the tormenting a demon?
Or, like, what's the difference?
Like, what actually happens?
Why are ghosts here?
Right.
So, first of all, I always say, like, I don't know 100%.
Like, I've experienced a lot of things and I have theories. I have a lot of evidence.
We've captured a lot of things, but I'm not the type of person that's like it's this 100 percent.
But like my theory, there's two types of hauntings that we kind of break things into.
The first one is called residual haunting, where like I try to describe it as if like, say, you walking up and down this hallway,
you sit in that chair every day and you pass away like a
bit of your energy it makes sense your energy still sticks around a little bit of your energy
could still be like just lingering in that hallway or sitting in a chair or something like that and
under the right circumstances the right variables also with the right perspective like an open mind
things like that you can actually capture and basically experience some of that energy.
Kind of like a loop.
Like it's just like a record player just like going on a loop.
But he's not here to hurt you.
Right.
It's just like a lingering vibe.
And like that's kind of related to like if you've ever been in a room working and something,
and you can just feel that someone walked in the room.
Like even before they say anything, you're like, oh, someone's in here.
Like there's just that feeling.
When you're asleep, you can kind of feel someone.
So that's the one kind of haunting.
And that 100% makes sense to me.
I'm a big believer in energy, positive and negative energy as well.
If there was a mass f***er, evil thing,
there's going to be some dark negative energy
that's stuck there and left over from that.
So that makes sense.
That's the easy one to me.
The hard part is the intelligent communication
the intelligent haunting and we get those a lot where we'll ask intelligent haunting yep where we
will ask questions we use different devices uh simply answer them they'll answer directly so
that means that the ghosts and spirits still have a conscience right they're conscious they're aware
of us too wow which is a whole wild that's the one that still blows my mind but i've experienced it
over and over again and that's the one that's still like like i've still like i'm just you
know even thinking so is that what our conscience basically is it's our spirit there could be our
spirit yeah this is just like a vessel like this is just matter because in order for them to ask
questions they would they have to have some kind of comprehension or like an awareness.
Separate from the brain.
Separate from the brain.
Wow.
That's crazy to think about.
So it has a way of answering questions, like normal questions.
Not asking the intricate questions, answering questions normally.
Another way I've kind of thought about it too and put it into perspective is the idea that there's no such thing as time.
That time is something that we've created to kind of organize our life right and that everything
that has happened is happening and will happening is all happening at the same time right and it's
our perspective it's our consciousness that allows us to experience this moment you know but under
the right circumstances there's i feel like there been moments, and maybe it's even geologically, or that's what I'm still trying to figure out,
is there's moments where it crosses over,
almost like you could see through a veil,
and they call it that, the veil.
You can see into these other time periods, these other areas.
A good example, the movie The Conjuring.
Yeah, scary as we yeah so we investigated
the original house that the entire movie was based out of uh and it was terrifying 100 terrifying
and uh i did this ritual down in the basement uh that's kind of a thing i do too so the energy was
still there oh yeah 100 and when we interviewed uh one of the kids that like her mom was the one
that was possessed from the original Conjuring.
Of course, the movie plays it up, but the true story is creepy enough as it is.
So the way she described it is that her mom got to a point where she realized that she was seeing an older family living in the house.
And at first, it freaks you out.
You're like, it's haunted, and you lose your mind.
It's crazy.
But when she realized that, she kind of made peace with it.
And she was kind of like, we're living here as well as other generations, other time periods of this family.
And for some reason, she was able to see that.
So in the basement, I did a ritual to open up a portal that I found.
And I went upstairs and I started walking around.
There's four of us on
the show. Nobody else was in the house. It was just me. I walked around for, I don't even know
exactly how long, like, and we still don't know exactly, I'll guess at least an hour and I'm
yelling. I'm trying to call for everybody. Can't find everybody. I walked through the whole house.
They couldn't hear me. Like no one was around. And all of a sudden I'm sitting there and I'm
kind of like honestly starting to break down like mentally, all right this is this is crazy like I'm kind of losing my mind and then our
host main host Zach just walks right out and he's like he's like what are you doing I was like what
are you doing like I've been like calling and yelling for you guys and like he came out of a
room that I was just in too and they were just they were nowhere to be found and I personally
feel like I kind of crossed over
into that like what she was talking about how like i'm in another time period or dimension
whatever you want to call it i'm not a percent but that's what the experience was like for me
personally so can you actually let's say you can see them or feel them right so what about like
around people like have you ever met someone it could be not in a in
home you just kind of met him and like oh there's a ghost behind you or uh no not necessarily like
that i don't so you can't think i want to no i mean i've seen ghosts like i've seen them like
apparitions i remember there was one we were filming this place in uh arizona it was like
an old wild west kind of thing and they had reenactors they would do reenactments like
shootouts and stuff like that to entertain the people.
And we were getting ready to investigate.
And I remember I went and I rolled all the cameras and I'm walking back to what we call
our nerve center, like our main base.
And everybody should be out.
You know, it's all just us in there.
No one else.
I'm walking up and I see a full on cowboy just like walk past me.
Wow. Like, what the hell? Like, we like we're filming like we're about to start why is there a worker still here you know
i actually got pissed off and i went around the corner from where he was coming from and i saw
the other guys and i was like who's this guy like they're supposed to be cleared out i thought we're
good to go and they're like what are you talking about and i'm like no like literally a cowboy
just walked by and they're like no like no one came by
and then i looked and like you could see like where the exit was and everything and there was
nobody there but it was so real to me that i didn't even think it was a ghost i literally
just thought it was a guy and got pissed like why do you think it's hard to pick them up on cameras
uh i think it's too i think it's a lot like camera technology, too. That's why we shoot in a lot of different light spectrums.
So we shoot in a lot of IR light. We shoot in ultraviolet light.
We use thermal cameras. We use we even have like LIDAR mapping systems now that we've gotten some amazing evidence where like the technology is so precise now.
Like you could put it in this room and map out this room, you know, you would see everything in there.
But then like right in the middle, know it's empty right but you would like see some kind of mass or a figure that's like
standing in the middle and you're like all right like wow what is that there you know why is that
there that shouldn't be there that's like military stuff right yeah yeah yeah it's just starting to
come come out now like a lot of like construction like you know scanning buildings and things that
use that nice so we could see through walls and stuff it's in green right uh no this is actually like it's like it almost looks like a cgi like like a 3d rendering
of a location uh but we've done that a few places we just did it over in lake mead lake mead's
haunted oh yeah we uh just just premiered wait i didn't know that there's bodies in there so
oh yeah we just did a two-hour special. It just kicked off our new season there.
We called it Lake of Death.
Wow.
So, like, I don't know if you heard about in the news, there was, like, barrels, like, washing up and showing up because the water level is dropping.
So they're finding barrels with bodies in them.
Really?
And so that piqued our interest.
We're like, all right, we got to get out there.
We got to see what this is about.
Thinking that was it.
It was just going to be an investigation focused on those couple things.
We start interviewing the National Park Service, former rangers things like that yeah they start
telling us this is nothing new this has been happening year after year like they're always
finding bodies and that over a course of so many years they released all these files to me
uh that they found over 3 000 deaths in that park since like the late 80s early 90s something like that holy
boating accidents car accidents plane crashes like all kinds of stuff whoa and we heard that
we're like holy shit like this is a much bigger investigation than we thought it was going to be
uh they were even telling us there was a guy that like was living off the grid like just literally
because lake mead's huge there was a guy living way out in an area uh he had like a ritual tent and he was like
worshiping something out there and then these fishermen came across him and were like this guy's
creeping weird you know so they called the rangers the rangers show up he charged at the rangers with
a machete and the rangers just shoot him dead right there because he was just running at him wow so we went we investigated there like uh which took it was a two-hour atv ride to get
there just because there was no there's no roads it was just totally off we had to actually drive
up to mesquite and then take a two-hour atv like off-road all the way down to get to this spot
and then too while we're there like another thing that just stepped it up even farther was
we're talking once again you know like that's why we made it a two-hour special because at first it
was just like yeah you basically documented the whole journey yeah yeah and then uh you know we
were talking to rangers and they were like oh yeah we see shapeshifters out here all the time too
and we're like holy we didn't realize it was that intense where they would see like these humans
like turn into creatures or creatures turn into humans out in the desert yeah bigfoot right like
kind of like bigfoot any kind of crypto thing you know what do you mean shape shifters so like they
would see like they would just see a person running right and be like why is that person
running and they're watching them and all of a sudden they just shape shift and they turn into
some kind of creature animal that's a real thing yeah yeah bigfoot yeah what do you mean there's a documentary i'll put you on but bigfoot
is real bro yeah uh skinwalkers yeah there's another one that they're go by what's skinwalkers
uh it's kind of the same thing it's like this creature that's just like this like humanoid
half human half animal type creature that like can stand up but like runs on all fours and that's
real yeah i mean we've captured enough stuff where like there's something to it like once again i
don't know 100 exactly what it is uh but on this lake meat investigation we caught twice two
different types of equipment what we actually think is a shapeshifter and it wasn't it there
it wasn't like a like a shadow it was an actual oh yeah no and that's the thing too like and i think a lot of
people don't realize too when you see the show like it's edited down so it's a highlight reel
basically we're out there for a long time doing this stuff uh so we try to debunk things you know
shapeshifters is like an actual human you can touch yeah it looks like a physical it looks
like but is it real or
is it just in the i mean i haven't gotten close enough to to shake hands with one or anything but
yeah i mean it looks just as physical as you would imagine anything else wow that's crazy yeah so
seeing that you've met a lot of uh you know bad energy style you know ghosts and spirits and demons have you ever met any
of them that are pleasant yeah just sweet maybe like sweet people like just don't want to hurt
anybody like sweet yeah like sweet grandma it's kind of hard to say sweet people because like
totally i mean we do we tend to focus more on the you know the crazier darker stuff it's kind of just
the route we went and it kind of but we've been to locations uh actually not too far from here yeah halfway between here and reno there's a place called goldfield uh there's a
place called the goldfield hotel just like massive abandoned building um and we were in there and
it's a this place is just it's evil like it's 100 evil uh we've caught things lifting off the ground
and go flying through the air by itself on camera was that the place you said you woke up and you were getting drugged down no that was at the museum here you gotta
tell you about that one uh but yeah in goldfield uh so we've called like rocks lifting up go flying
we call it the guys originally when they did the documentary like 15 plus years ago at the beginning
before the show even existed they called a brick there flying by
itself and that's kind of what got them i guess more notary and kind of blew them up more um
but this place there's a there's a story there about a woman who the owner i guess like she was
like and he got her pregnant but he chained her up to the radiator inside of a room in the hotel
and just left her there and like would feed her,
but like basically kept her prisoner and just kept her a secret.
Like, you know, this can't get out.
And then she had the baby and then he apparently threw the baby down a well.
Like it's a story.
And so we went into that room and we brought flowers in to like, you know,
kind of be like, that's, we're so sorry this happened.
And you can still see there's still the radiator there at the time. And we put the flowers down
and we start using different devices that, uh, basically the easy way to describe how they work
is that they use changes in the electromagnetic energy, uh, which is one of the theories that
spirits can actually manipulate electromagnetic energy. then they could choose words um or like
use different frequencies to communicate through uh and we started getting you know like thank you
flowers like started coming through and we you know we're like that's pretty spot on you know
like wow you could say anything they were saying thank you it was saying thank you flowers things
like that and then we look over and we just see the flowers like as if someone's like like touching
them like almost like petting a cat kind of thing and you just see the flowers like as if someone's like Like touching them like almost like petting a cat kind of thing and you see the flowers just start like lightly moving
That's why it was it was beautiful like we all like actually kind of like cried had like an overwhelming like sense of like like beauty
There you go. Was that a ghost? Yo, no way. No fucking way.
No.
Bro.
Bro.
That's never happened.
No way.
All these damn episodes.
Yo.
No fucking way.
That just scared the fuck out of me.
150 episodes.
That's never happened.
Bro.
What was that anyways?
Bro.
They had a cover on there or something.
That's insane, bro.
Oh, no.
Oh, no.
I'm out, bro.
I'm out.
No way.
You should have got up.
We're just going to take a break to change our shorts.
Oh, that's funny.
You see that?
Yeah.
I mean, you probably could see on the camera. Yeah's wild camera might have got that yo that's crazy that's not oh my god but that that would pretty much confirm your theory
about time being just all in one moment
all there and too like we've had uh what's crazy too we've had moments where like you know once
it's like all right we're going to a location we'll hear from the owners soon as we booked
like we like got the contracts and we're like all right we're good to go we're gonna go film there
uh they're like soon as you we did that like stuff started happening uh've gotten like, our names have been called out in locations before we've gotten
there.
So it's almost like this weird, like they know sometimes like before it's going to happen,
which is wow.
So time is just made up.
It's not chronological.
It's just, I mean, I was just, it's your perspective.
Yeah.
It's just, it's our perspective.
It's our consciousness, our spirit, whatever you want to call it.
Like it's, it's our personal, like we're viewing everything from this point right now you know what i mean
so what happened that night at the museum uh which museum uh zach bagans haunted museum yeah so uh
we i've spent a lot of time in that building so you were asleep there yeah you wanted to sleep
there yeah we were uh we were we were filming there uh you. You wanted to sleep there. Yeah. We were filming there. Wow.
You know, we've filmed there a bunch.
We've done like a six-hour live show there.
It actually saved us when the pandemic hit because our show was shut down for like about a month.
And we're like, what are we going to do?
Like, we can't travel.
So Zach pitched it to the network to be like, hey, why don't we do Ghost Adventures Quarantine?
And just the four of us will live in campers in the parking lot of the museum and we just stayed there for like two weeks
and just filmed a whole mini series just focusing on that um but one of the first times we ever
investigated it uh we decided we're going to spend the night in there this was like early on zach
just got it just started setting it up and i'm and i'm sleeping in the front room which first of all
it took forever to fall asleep it was the hardest place to ever just get comfortable and sleep
and i was on like a camping cot you know like one of those folding out little camp cuts and i'm
laying in there finally fall asleep i get woken up in the middle of the night at some point and i
just woke up feeling like because it's like a cloth thing and i feel like something hitting
underneath of it and there's no space like it's like a cloth thing, and I feel like something hitting underneath of it.
And there's no space.
It's pretty small.
But I feel something hit my feet, and I kind of jump up,
and I'm like, what the hell was that?
Like, all right.
And I'm looking around, and I can see that we have cameras filming us sleeping.
And I can see a camera, and I can see it's pitch black,
but there's a little bit of ambient light from the camera.
And I just see the shadow just flash past it. and i was like like all right what was that so i start yelling for the
guys like it was like hey is anyone awake like just yelling to be like something just happened
uh eventually like it took some time but they wake up they start coming in one by one like
what's going on i was like i don't know like something hit my bed i woke up i saw a dark
shadow go by and then i looked down and i realized like i'd noticed i almost tripped there was like a rug and the rug was all
bundled up and i looked down and i realized at that moment that the cot i was on was actually
drug out into the hallway a little bit like i was in a room like kind of like it was like a big
entryway but like i was kind of in the room but like and i realized when i got up like it was actually drug in and it was like partially in the entrance way like out into the next part
and you could tell that it was dragged because like the carpet was all bundled up under it like
it was just like pulled and it pushed up all the carpet and i was just like i can't explain that
and we have a camera on me the whole time so you see like no one's there no one's doing anything
you didn't feel it uh well i don't know if it was what i felt when i felt something bump on my feet like that so i don't know if that was it or
not like it makes sense that it would have been but yeah that was crazy what's uh yeah i was just
gonna say like that when like when like something moves and there's nothing there it's totally
scary like i've had i've been dragged backwards what do you mean uh so we were filming in this
place in prescott arizona it was like an old saloon like wild i don't know something about
these wild west towns that are just off the hook and uh they were saying that this evil entity
resided in the basement and there was a crawl space and they're like that's where it comes
from there was workers that would go down there terrified to go to work they want to deal with it
so i get sent in it was my you know kind of picked a short straw to like i was terrified to go to work. They want to deal with it. So I get sent in. It was my, you know, kind of picked a short straw to, like,
I was going to go into this crawl space by myself and investigate it.
So I'm crawling, and I'm a pretty big guy, and I'm on my belly.
Like, it's only, like, this deep, you know.
And I'm on my belly crawling.
I have a camera in my hand, like, going through.
Nothing's really happening.
I start being like, all right, I'm going to start antagonizing.
Like, this is, like, some kind of bully spirit thing, messing with these people, so I'm going to start messing with it, through nothing's really happening i start being like all right i'm gonna start antagonizing like
this is like some kind of bully spirit thing messing with these people so i'm gonna start
messing with it try to get it to come out so i started antagonizing calling it out and all of a
sudden something grabs my leg and there's nothing there and literally you can see me i have the
camera like this kind of shooting back behind me uh i dropped the camera and i actually get pulled
backwards in the crawl space a good three or four feet and drop the camera and i actually get pulled backwards in
the crawl space a good three or four feet and you can see on camera i get pulled away from the
camera there's nothing behind me at all and i lose it i freak out uh but i'm in a crawl space
so i can't just like get up and run away so they can do anything they want to i think so i think
you know i think i don't know i don't know if it's always at a different entity it could be
that's the thing i don't know exactly it's like... Or is that a different entity? It could be. That's what I'm asking. That's the thing. I don't know exactly what it is.
It could have been a different entity.
It could also be like...
I mean, it sounds kind of weird, but I don't know if you've ever seen that movie Ghost.
Ghost?
Was it Patrick Swayze?
Yeah, with Patrick Swayze.
And then there's a whole thing where he almost like...
When he first is like a ghost and he's trying to communicate with people he knows, and he
can at first, but he almost like he has to learn how to how to do it
kind of so i don't know if like some spirits are better at it than others or some spirits have like
more experience more intelligent more power more abilities to be able to interact with our world
or yeah you know but yeah that that's just another one where like like i said when something moves
and it shouldn't you know and that was definitely probably one of my top terrifying moments for sure.
What about locations?
What places really spooked you?
Yeah, I mean, this last,
the Lake Mead special we just did was pretty scary.
It was kind of scary in a way where, like,
we didn't expect it.
What about the house on,
there was a house up the street
that was calling it Super Haunted, bro.
It was right there on the floor.
You sure it's not the Zach Bagans house?
Is it? The Zach Bagans museum? There's a few in I was right there on the phone. You sure it's not the Zach Bagans house? Is it?
The Zach Bagans museum?
There's a few in here.
It's on Pecos.
It was like the most haunted house.
It's on Pecos?
We're on Pecos right now.
Yeah, they actually tore it down.
Okay, I think I remember.
I think I know what you're talking about.
You've heard of it though, right?
Yeah, I think they might have
because I joined the second year of the show.
It was so haunted that they tore it down.
Yeah, I think they might have done it.
We've actually done that.
Oh, for real?
Yeah.
Like, destroyed a whole home?
Yeah.
Just because it was too much?
It was too intense, yeah.
They actually do that?
Yeah, we did a documentary called Demon House.
And we focused, there was this house in Gary, Indiana
that it broke the news.
It was known for being terribly haunted uh and not
even just haunted but like evil like this uh woman and her family her kids were getting affected
but what made this one stand out differently there's so many credible sources like police
officers the chief of police social workers all these things they started investigating the family
because the kids were showing up like messed up so they're like we got to investigate this family
and then they started experiencing they like experienced a kid walk backwards up a wall
and like all kinds of so uh i don't know if you saw that so i remember like i remember seeing the
news and be like man that's crazy and then i think i was flying out to uh investigation and as soon
as i landed zach was already texting me he's like have you seen this and i was like yeah and then we
were like talking he's like i'm gonna buy that house so he like he tracked down the owner and bought
that house in gary indiana and we spent like a few years kind of going to this house like in between
film and the regular show and you know it was just pure evil like i think that was probably one of
the most like just evil like there's no good not just like a human spirit that's just like mischievous or like like this was just so I don't know what it is, but something was there.
It was pure evil. We found remnants of rituals that we think were done in the basement.
We don't know if someone went in there and like opened something up that like that brought it in.
But it was bad. Everybody that stepped into that house you know
even like you know eventually we like set up wi-fi the wi-fi guy would come to install he would have
problems he would leave get into a car accident or something or no i don't think was he the car
i don't know the chief of police like would slip on ice after he let like it was just every person
that would come into that house even innocently even not, you know, to talk to us about it. Like, you know, from like,
just to do the lawn, right. Just to do like, yeah.
And then they would be calling us like a little bit later, like, Hey,
like this just happened to me. We're like, yeah, that's insane.
Wow. So you guys got rid of the whole house. Yeah.
It was, you got to a point where,
can you even build on that still? Or it has to be a vacant lot, right?
Well, that's the thing.
That's what's kind of interesting.
And I think that's part of, I guess, the bigger experiment is, does it stay?
Does it linger?
Does it move somewhere else?
Or is it attached to the physical object?
I do know that there's a thing called the stone tape theory, which is organic surfaces
like wood, any kind of matter matter like rocks, things like that.
They have a memory. And this was actually proven scientifically through a scientist in Japan that would take water samples and freeze them.
So you would take water from like the mountains, like beautiful spring water, and you would freeze it would form these beautiful crystals.
And then he would take like city water out of the sewer and freeze that.
And it would be like
malfigured and disfigured and not symmetrical and then he would project positive energy to
seeing that i've seen this experiment like wow yeah so they proved objects have energy basically
and then he would memory and he would project that and we can make it exactly and he would
project positive energy to like the sewer water and then he would refreeze it and then now it's
beautiful crystals whoa and then he would take like the beautiful spring water that previously
made beautiful crystals and be like i hate you and like project negative energy to it and then
when you would freeze that and look at it it would be all disfigured that's basically pro
prove that like energy positive and negative can actually affect organic matter on a molecular
level you know they say with
plants when there's negative people around plants it kills them yeah yeah for sure yeah are you
arguing right so it makes sense that like if something is just evil or like you know there's
just like i'm like just something just pure evil in a spot like it's going to literally soak into
the wall so jay how do you sleep at night do you have nightmares tough yeah yeah like when was the
last time you actually slept eight hours i mean i could probably check my stats you know i've been trying to track and
kind of actually pay attention to it but like not much really like for real like yeah so you're
carrying a lot of energy around yeah yeah i've walked into actually here in town i went to like
some one of the crystal shops one day i told you to get out and somebody was like she's like whoa
and i'm like what she's like you got a lot around you i was like okay and she like didn't know who i was at first either
like so it wasn't just like oh you're jay from ghost adventures uh so you don't sleep at night
i mean i do i do i think i don't sleep well necessarily why why do you think takes away
hey jay no i think i don't know i mean it could honestly be a mixture of PTSD, too, because, like, we've been through so many.
Like, we've done well over 300 investigations.
I mean, that's just with the regular show.
Yeah, that's insane.
Not counting spinoffs and specials, things like that.
What's your ultimate goal with this?
Because it seems like you're going to, like, you feel like you're going to get hurt doing this at some point.
Yeah, and I have been.
I've broken a rib on an investigation.
I'm literally just overcoming.
You can see I got an ankle brace on.
I dislocated my ankle.
Jeez.
You know, like, I busted up my back one time.
And, too, like, we do this in the dark.
So, like, you're going to fall down.
Yeah.
I was coming out of a basement once, and I pushed a storm door up, and I slipped, and it fell in my hand, and my head went through the door.
Oh, my gosh.
So there's definitely many ways to get hurt.
So what's the goal?
What are you trying to accomplish or prove being the ghost hunter?
Because eventually you're going to meet your match.
Right?
Yeah.
I mean, I think that all the time.
Like, there's been a part of me, like, but I think it's going to be the Thanos of demons.
Right. Yeah, exactly. And I think like, I don't know, I feel like one, you know, maybe it's a bit of craziness, but I think it's that passion and desire to like want to know what happens.
Like, you know, and I think a lot of people don't realize like it's not just a TV show.
Like this is our lives. We do this like a lot of TV shows will film, you know, for a few months and then they take the rest of the year off.
Like, we shoot every other week nonstop since, like, I've been with it for 13 years.
Wow.
So you wanted to know what happens, right?
Yeah.
I think that's everybody knows.
Yeah.
Yeah, but then, like, what happens once you find out what happened?
The day you find out what happens, it's like your story ends.
So do you get to tell us a story?
Are you trying to leave a legacy or just kind of enlighten us on about life and death?
Yeah, I think, I don't know.
It's weird because I hear from a lot of fans that they'll say our show's giving them comfort,
even though it scares them.
But just knowing there's something more than just this, i think gives a lot of people comfort for sure and brings people
together in a way you know and i think a lot of people are looking for that and you know don't
have that in their day-to-day lives so like i feel like that's the good side of what we do yeah you
know and i think it is just like a natural curiosity you know it's like what is it and like
we've been doing it for so long and i've had moments where i'm like all right you've seen things lift off the ground i've been scratched
i've had scratches appear on me and actually see them manifest you know i've seen spirits i've
heard spirits i've seen exorcisms possessions all kinds of things so i'm always like what else could
there be like what else and then we'll go and do an investigation and i'm just like you know like
lake mead like all right we're going out here just another investigation we call it shapeshifters like just my mind just is constantly keeps being
blown and you know the four of us were still 100 into it we love it it's like it's our life it's
our passion yeah so i think it's like it's weird like and it's a rush honestly like i personally
i could never go skydiving like the idea of skydiving terrorized me.
But like.
But a demon don't.
Skydiving is scary.
But there's that.
I get it.
I get why people would like skydiving.
You know what I mean?
Because there is that adrenaline rush that and it's the same thing with investigating, you know, spirits.
Are you prepared for when you have to experience an exorcism yourself well do you feel like you're
strong enough to sustain that like are you are you do you know at some point it's gonna happen
i mean i like to think so because i mean i have had different experiences i've had had moments
where i felt like there's things that are like i don't know if trying to get into like you know
grasping their claws in you a little bit not fully got you but like you could tell like they're
trying to hold on yeah and i've been to shake it. And I think that is
just from the experience of doing what we do over and over again and, and witnessing it with other
people and kind of finding what works for me and just sticking with that. Yeah. Have you guys ever
thought about bringing like a psychic with you to communicate? Yeah. And we've done that a few
times. We've had psychics. I think psychics are hit or miss. We have a few ones that we've worked with that have been great. I think for me and I know some
personal friends of mine that were psychics that have like called me in the middle of the night
and be like, what's going on? Are you all right? And it was just like something crazy was happening.
And so like, I don't know, I'm hit or miss. Like, I think they have to like kind of prove
themselves in a way, which, you know, is still like the skeptic part of me which is even when we investigate like i still approach it skeptically um but yeah i do believe and i've
experienced you know different things where they've said things where i'm like all right there's no way
they could possibly know that right what was that person you were telling me about they could predict
even more a seer a seer yeah you guys ever brought a seer on uh i don't think anyone that like
necessarily like referenced themselves in seer but we've had brought a seer on uh i don't think anyone that like necessarily like
referenced themselves in seer but we've had people that like kind of would like say almost like
i don't know because it's weird twisted like almost like a riddle like kind of thing i've
had one i have one cleanse my house and she uh explained to me that you have to cleanse the
corners right because that's what they lie that's's where they store. True, right? Yeah. So as she was cleansing the corners, she had nothing in her hand, but there was a sound, a screeching sound.
She was using bleach.
Okay.
Right?
Bleach is a cleansing, bleaching water or something like that.
But there was like a screeching sound that happened.
But I guess she said whatever was in there was neutral so it wasn't
it was a lost story or something like that but um it was like a screeching sound almost like a
scratching of the walls bro it was so creepy it was just me and me and her there and i was standing
right next to her so she didn't do it she had nothing in her hand but it was a sound and um
she said it left whatever it was but she said it wasn't it wasn't like it was an
indifferent she called it an indifferent so yeah yeah yeah we've witnessed that uh like visually
i've seen that like during exorcisms like watching them happen and you there's almost like a moment
where you could see whatever was affecting them like the negative energy like actually leave their
body and like like i said it's like an eye change like something in their eyes. And like, like I said, it's like an eye change, like something in their eyes or demeanor.
And like,
they almost just like,
kind of like a story I told earlier about my friend.
Like there's just a point where like all of a sudden it's gone and you just
like,
you go limp and you're just like,
kind of like what just happened to me kind of thing.
Have you ever had sleep paralysis?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I've experienced that a few times.
What is that?
Cause I'm here.
I hear so many different stories.
For me, I got it once.
I couldn't move, but my eyes were open.
And some guy was choking me out, like a shadow person.
I get it.
I've got it often.
I don't even know how many times I can count.
But it's not normal.
But when it happens, I'm like, oh, shit.
Yeah, I feel like there is a...
What is it?
There is a...
I guess part of it is there is
an actual explanation like so when we sleep our bodies actually release a chemical that paralyzes
us uh it basically stops us from acting out our dreams uh which actually is a mental condition
of like there are people out there it's very rare but like there's people that don't release that
chemical sleepwalk and then they'll like sleepwalk Or like there was a case where a guy actually like he like went to bed, woke up the next morning.
He had dreams that he was deer hunting and he woke up and his wife was dead with an arrow through her.
Whoa.
Yeah.
So like so it is a natural thing that our brain does to like stop us from trying to act out our dreams.
And it will paralyze you.
So like there's a belief that like, oh, maybe you just happen to kind of wake up with that chemical in you and like you're paralyzed but you're awake um but then what's
interesting is like what you were saying is that that happens but then there's like a shadow figure
or like there's other physical manifestations uh i had that a similar thing where i spent the
entire night locked in a jail cell by myself and all the band in prison uh like down actually it
wasn't even a prison it was like this mansion but they had like a prison under base it was weird down in the
basement like these cells and i spent the night down there by myself and eventually it was just
like all right i'm in a room so i try to investigate i try to do things i got to a point where i was
like all right i'm just in here until the other guys are done and they come and lock me out you
know and uh so i ended up falling asleep in there and i remember i woke up
and uh it was the weirdest thing because like we were filming it too so like seeing myself
and like i guess at some point i like take my shoes off and i'm not even aware of it and like
i don't sleepwalk i don't do that but then i remember being like waking up paralyzed and i'm
seeing something and all of a sudden like i'm full awake and i i describe as a gray alien honestly
like i saw like a gray alien honestly like i saw
like a gray alien standing above me and i just kind of freaked out and it was gone wow yeah i
do i believe i don't know like my personal theory about it is like and same thing like who knows
like it could be anything you know like but uh what i think of gray aliens is actually us from
the future because if you think about it from a anatomical kind of sense
you know like from evolution if you look at like you know the evolution of the human species
you know our our jaws were bigger and our heads were smaller right so if you start fast forwarding
that evolution our jaws are going bigger that's why our wisdom teeth messes up is because actually
our jaws shrinking inward like this so that's like on the edge of an evolutionary step.
There are some kids now that are being born without wisdom teeth.
Right, exactly.
So it's like our jaws are moving this way and our heads are getting bigger.
Our brains are getting more evolved.
So like fast forward that, we're going to have the little chin, the big head, kind of like a gray alien look, right?
I hope not.
I like that there.
But now think of this so like what's it
look like that so if in the future there's some kind of catastrophe which everyone talks about
one day it's going to happen whether it's an asteroid or fire flow like anything whatever
it is it's going to be something that's going to force the human civilization to go underground
what's going to happen evolutionary if humans go underground it's going to be dark they're
going to lose pigmentation in their skin they're going to turn gray they're going to be washed out
their eyes are going to have to get bigger to be able to see in darker light like so it basically
in my point of view that's showing that we could easily evolve into like the typical gray alien
wow i like that theory man jay i've learned a lot about ghosts from you, man. That was a great episode.
I think we caught a ghost on camera.
We might have to watch the footage.
We're going to have to watch that.
Man, any closing comments for people watching?
I mean, thanks. This was fun.
That was awesome.
We keep doing it. We have new episodes right now
coming on Discovery every Wednesday night.
We do it
so you guys don't have to i guess like we do
some crazy stuff i'm not going to lake mead bro yeah no i mean i've already just skied there so
it's not i mean oh yeah well during the day you're fine yeah it's weird like you go out there like
night like there's uh there's these old railroad tunnels and you go hiking there and i remember i
was there during the day at one point i went after the film and i went with some friends you
gotta check this place out.
The sun started going down, and they were all like,
what is with this place?
I was like, yeah, man, this is where we call the shapeshifter.
I didn't even tell anybody ahead of time.
It was afterwards.
But they all picked up on it.
As soon as the sun starts going down, it changes the vibe.
Wow.
That's sick.
Wade, you can follow me on Instagram at Ghost Adventures.
Digital Soul Shower. Thanks for tuning in, guys.
See you next time. Peace.
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