Digital Social Hour - Gambling Secrets They Don’t Want You to Know | Togi DSH #1360

Episode Date: May 2, 2025

Ready to uncover the gambling secrets *they* don’t want you to know? 🎲💰 In this episode of the **Digital Social Hour Podcast**, Sean Kelly dives into the wild world of high-stakes gambling with insider stories, jaw-dropping wins, and devastating losses. From blackout strategies to Martingale risks, bankroll tips, and the psychology behind gambling, this episode is packed with valuable insights and outrageous moments you won’t believe! 🤯🎙️ Join the conversation as we explore the thrill of risk-taking, sponsorship deals with platforms like Roobet, and the emotional rollercoaster of betting millions. Whether you’re curious about strategies, crazy gambling stories, or life lessons from the casino floor, this episode delivers it all. ⚡Don’t miss out—watch now and subscribe for more insider secrets. 📺 Hit that subscribe button and stay tuned for more eye-opening stories on the **Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly!** 🚀 Let us know your thoughts in the comments below. 👇CHAPTERS:00:00 - Intro00:29 - Togi's Last Loss05:02 - Therasage Wellness Products10:53 - The Fun of Gambling15:00 - Yay Nuts Snack Review15:34 - Gambling with $10M17:20 - Your Road to $10M Series Overview18:51 - IQ Test Insights20:48 - School Grades and Success22:42 - Making and Losing Money Strategies24:50 - Advice for Young People on Finances28:03 - Steve Will Do It and Nelk Boys30:26 - Internet Opportunities for Regular People34:50 - Myron Gaines and Fresh & Fit Insights36:50 - Launching an Online Course38:34 - Creating Your First Viral Video43:17 - The Concept of Borrowed Effort45:15 - Has Success Changed You?47:14 - Paying Clippers for Haircuts49:17 - Andrew Tate's Video Editing Techniques52:05 - Andrew Tate's Fraternity Experience54:14 - What's Next for Andrew Tate?56:42 - Casino Bans and Restrictions58:13 - Discussing Xanax Use58:50 - Conversations about Drugs1:02:40 - Outro APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail] GUEST: Togi https://www.instagram.com/togi/ SPONSORS: AIRES TECH: https://airestech.com/ THERASAGE: https://therasage.com/ YAY NUTS: https://yaynuts.com/ LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ The views and opinions expressed by guests on Digital Social Hour are solely those of the individuals appearing on the podcast and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of the host, Sean Kelly, or the Digital Social Hour team. While we encourage open and honest conversations, Sean Kelly is not legally responsible for any statements, claims, or opinions made by guests during the show. Listeners are encouraged to form their own opinions and consult professionals for advice where appropriate. Content on this podcast is for entertainment and informational purposes only and should not be considered legal, medical, financial, or professional advice.#gamblingaddiction #roulettestrategy #onlinegamblinghighlights #treatmentforgamblingaddiction #compulsivegambling

Then all of a sudden you can go in and understand the odds that you're working with because a lot of people like live this Dreaming idea that it's very easy to get super rich gambling and it's pretty much the hardest thing you can ever get rich from is Gambling, but at least if you're informed with this information, you're more prepared and on top of that incredible social activity social activity. Alright guys, finally made it happen. Got Togi here today. Let's go. Thank you for having me. I'm super stoked to be here. Yeah, you're not down 250k like last time. No, right. Well, we're down 150k, but the now we're yeah The biggest problem is I was hungover as shit last time and now I feel I didn't drink yesterday specifically So be ready for this podcast. Do you pound while you gamble usually?

You can't not you dude if you're gambling sober It's a not fun and B You can't make the right decisions because it takes like as I gamble a lot and it takes a ton of balls To be like fuck. I just lost that 10,000 hand now I need to do 20 no matter how much you have gambled it gets very stressful So I get if I'm not eight beers deep, I don't start gambling. Like usually, ideally, there's a method I called the blackout method, very popular amongst my friends.

And it's been a consistent, very consistent experience that I completely blackout, like no recollection of what happened. And I wake up with like hundreds of thousands. The worst it's ever been is I blacked out lost one and a half million But then I blacked out again the next night in an effort of making it back and I made two million dollars So it's like every time it has literally never ever failed me And so last night our last two nights ago didn't black out lost 150 tonight

I'm gonna black out super hard and then you just wake up and you you don't have to worry about anything You just wake up with money there every single time It's literally never failed me. I and I film it every time which is why it's exciting because it's like for science, right? You can because it's kind of like like I sound like fucking Mickey Mace if I just tell people Yeah, I all of a sudden I got this money But if you film it all then now everyone can watch and then we watch the footage back and like, okay So he blacked out and this is how he did it and this you're just on autopilot exactly you don't even know what you're doing you're just like what's like do you like the liquor talk it just you don't have to think about it you don't

yeah it's muscle memory at that point do you have a strategy like Martin Gale or you just going with the flow um yeah people say like oh how do you win gambling what's your strategy there's no real stuff like you're not gonna beat buck or hot you're not gonna beatjack. So the general idea which is statistically not the best, well statistically it's consistent, there's no strategy that's gonna make you higher than the 49%, right? Like you can get up to 49% no matter what, you're not, you're not beating that. But as far as like the long-term gambling, when you Martin Galeale You either end in 90% of time with Martin Gale you win money and then 10% of time

You're devastated beyond your wildest imagination like it's like literal financial devastation. So thus far it's been good I typically like Martin Gale but not exact double like a slow increase maybe every loss you up the bet by like 2 to 6%. So that's been, I've never lost using that strategy. Um, but I do know that I should reel it in cause one day it will end in your bank account being negative. Cause that's just, that's the nature of it. You know, eventually you're going to have to fire bigger than you're willing or able to

afford and then you will lose. Yeah. I've not gotten there yet. You need crazy bankroll like Dana White money to do the Martingale. Yeah, and that's good why being so involved with the casinos, like I'm sponsored by a Rubett and then I get a marker from Red Rock. My line of credit is unlimited. Really, not Red Rock?

No, no, Red Rock I only get a hundred thousand. But Rubett is unlimited. So it's like, just keep gambling more until you win. That's insane. So Rubett's got crazy money then they're just giving you unlimited. Yeah, but they know bro Rubett is smart. They got a good business model because you'll notice they only sponsor Barry high stakes addicts So it's like they pay me X amount to gamble and they pay all their sponsors X amount to gamble But they know that I'm going to be firing Like crazy and they expected loss on that whatever four percent

If I gamble through on average 20 million a month, it's your expected loss is 800,000 on that So that's how they like run their numbers. I would imagine they don't say that I guess Ruben don't get mad at me But every it's obvious how Rubett runs that shit like it's smart It's the best business model ever is that the one train wrecks on just betting crazy money. No, that's it So it's on stake train wrecks actually don't know how much he's pretty open about shit But he was talking to Rubett and they're like, oh what kind of deal you looking for you want to do? 300 hours a month a gambling

Which imagine you gamble 10 hours a fucking day. And then with that, when you gamble 300 hours a month and your biggest train wreck's like, realistically you're asking for like 30 to 50 million a month. So, that was just like, kind of like, that's not going to happen. 300 hours is, I do 30 hours and.

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300 hours I would say. It's an emotional experience. You're up and down. I think if I didn't do so many drugs while I do it, it just gets very A, you're hungover, and B, it's just twice as stressful in your body

when you're on drugs, and then usually gets out of hand. Two weeks ago, I was supposed to do a stream, it's like, all right, whatever, $50,000 buy-in, 30 minute stream, quick and easy, like I was just supposed to get these hours in. And I didn't have to do this, but I ended up depositing $1.8 million over the course of 15 hours and lost all of it.

So, like once you start ripping drugs, the stimulants, ended up depositing $1.8 million over the course of 15 hours and lost all of it. So like once you start ripping drugs, the stimulants, it's like, in my opinion, impossible to stop until what they did is locked my account. Said your stream is over, stop fucking gambling. All right, well thank you for stopping me at least. Did you crash out after that? No, dude, you know gambling losses, they never hurt for more than 24 hours in my experience. One time I lost my life savings and at this point I had no sponsors so I was like legitimately

broke I just lost everything and I was crashed out for about seven days and then it's like on to the next but usually you wake up and it's you just because you're used to it. You know gamblers love that shit as much as they don't want to admit it. Gamblers love the self sabotage. Like there's something awesome. It's like, yeah, so I just lost so much money. Like it's just like the roller coaster of if everything was easy, like gambling would not be fun if like you won every time.

Yeah, it would just be shitty. So you're used to it. You were like, I whatever lost 150 the other night. And then now I'm ready to go back and go to war again. Where do you think this ends? Like do you have a goal? No, I was talking about this the other day. I don't think too far ahead. Like my schedule in life is literally, I can't think ahead more. Well, I mean you saw how hard it is for me to schedule a podcast. It's 30 days max.

It's more like, what am I doing on this YouTube video? Get this YouTube video and then the next thing. I've never thought about like, what am I gonna do in six months, 12 months, five years? I want kids eventually though. That's like the only thing, the only foresight. Is that what they call that, foresight? Yeah, I think that's the right term for that.

Yeah, I want kids, that's about it. You wanna teach him how to play blackjack? Yeah, dude, this is also a good point. You have to do the gambling should be legal for children because a I'm serious. Listen, listen, listen. Gambling is bad because the schools never entertain the idea of how to play blackjack, how to play bakarat.

And then when you're an adult and you have adult money, you go in, you have no idea. never entertain the idea of how to play blackjack, how to play baccarat, and then when you're an adult and you have adult money you go in you have no idea if you're playing imperfect blackjack your odds of losing are about 80 90 percent and you go in and you lose the house to wife to kids and then there's a problem but if they taught you how to gamble when you only had $20 then all of a sudden you can go in and ever thought about how much EMF and radiation your body is exposed to every single day? from smartphones to Wi-Fi modern technology never stops emitting invisible stressors

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Understand the odds that you're working with because a lot of people live this dream and idea that it's very easy to get super rich gambling. And it's pretty much the hardest thing you can ever get rich from is gambling. But at least if you're informed with this information, it's you're more prepared. And on top of that incredible social activity. If you're like a

socially anxious kid or whatever, it's kind of like playing sports, you know, but not everyone's great at sports, not everyone's great at whatever activities they have to offer. Gambling, anybody can be great at hanging out, having fun. Nothing makes you bond with somebody more than gambling. And I think the most fun I've ever had, I remember me buying in with my friends, whatever, maybe 16 years old, we had $20. But we had the most, we lost it obviously,

but we had the best time ever. And now, nothing creates, shitty times create strong bonds and When you lose a ton of money with somebody it's like alright Well, we went through that shit together and now that was lit so anyways Yeah, I think gambling is great for all ages so if my kids want to gamble yeah, we can make that work Yeah, I mean you've met a lot of friends at the table, so yeah, you're speaking the truth there You gamble with some cool people I've seen yeah, yeah, it've met a lot of friends at the table. So, yeah, you're speaking the truth there. You gamble with some cool people I've seen. Yeah, yeah, it's been a blessing.

That's like also a lot of people don't see the light in like it gets such a bad rep. But really, if you look at gambling, it's kind of like paying the fee for a really expensive country club. Like I have a ten thousand dollar a night room for free at every casino. They drove me here. They will wait for me until I'm done. And then you go and you get to do nice dinners with everyone else that's gambling. So you're just paying a fee. Like people pay $200,000 a year to be in some shitty country club. It's the same idea gambling and gambling is the only game, only country club, where they might pay you a few million dollars

to be at the country club, you know? Yeah, yeah, you get comped meals, comped tickets to shows. Comped everything, yeah, it's the best. Yeah, if you play it right, it's, you actually don't lose too much, I guess, if you play all the perks and everything. Yeah, you have to play like, it's hard to play a super sharp all the time

because it's boring. Like sometimes you just gotta double an eight because like, we're having fun here. I'm not here to like try and count cards or make a ton of money, I you just got to double an eight because like we're having fun here I'm not here to like try and count cards or make a ton of money. I'm just here to have fun That's what gambling is to me is fun. You like craps. I never played it We were supposed to play it last night on stir two nights ago on stream But then we lost all our money like fast. So like that's the most fun craps. How'd that work?

You want seven right or something like you don't want seven depending on how you play. It's complicated to explain, but if you're at a good table, the energy just feels fun, you know? Yeah, well, that's the one that I saw it on the Hangover movie. Hangover, yeah. Like everyone's around the table, you like toss it in. Yeah, so I want to get around to some craps,

but I just haven't gotten to it. Yeah, that one's fun. I'm big on cards, like I hate roulette. Roulette's boring. It's the worst game. And you gotta wait a while to get the number. Yeah, and also the odds are, what depends on when you play it?

But like, de Blasio, they got three zeros on the wheel. So your odds are, you could never win if you played for five hours. Hell no. That's a 9% edge for the casino. Yeah, double zero is already terrible odds. Yeah. Like, there's barely any single zero anymore. Yeah, Red Rock's got a single zero. So that's why, Red Rock has some of the best odds.

Yeah, Red Rock's a slot. a lot of good guys go there to gamble well, that's where the Caesars and red rock have the best odds as far as I am Have that played out but like a lot of the places that are for the people like Blasio when like for the more like tourists have it like it's a nicer looking casino. It's more fun there, but You get fucked on gambling. Yeah, were you gambling with the Tates when they were at Red Rock? No, no they don't um they only gamble for 30 minutes. They came in, did like two hands and then left. Yeah, I think it was just for the video.

In and out like Dana White. Yeah, they also made like 20,000 each so they were like yeah whatever boom I'm happy we got our video and we're done. But I was talking to Tate after and he says he doesn't like gambling and high stakes because his whole point was he's already rich. So it's like, why would I? The idea of gambling is you either you have no money and the idea is to get rich or you run out of money and you still have no money. So he's already rich. There's no reason to fall back.

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Back down the ladder when you've climbed it, gambling is the easiest way for people to get a shot at making it to the top. And then worst case you lose it and you're back where you started. Yeah. I mean, you did a road to 10 million series, right? So do you think if you had 10 million, you would still be gambling? Yes, but it's because I swear, I'm just super addicted to gambling at the end of the day

and I love what it provides and the experiences. I just love it so much. But I did good on the road to 10 million. I made like actually made about $4 million and then the latter 6 million was just not existent because it was like, I fluffed it. It was like, Oh, I bought a house in Miami. It'll probably double in a few years. So we just added two million and I'm dropping a song and I was like, okay,

that song will probably net me 3 million. So there's 5 million. I just pulled out of my ass out of nowhere. But as far as the actual gambling options, what else we do? Oh yeah. I saw the painting, um, 450 K, which was hilarious. Cause the pay, you guys see a picture? Oh, yeah. I sold a painting for 150K. Which was hilarious. Cause the paint, you guys see a picture of it, dude. It's. What was it? Who was the artist to that? It's a lot of money.

Me. No, I painted it. Someone actually bought that. Yes, bro. It's called modern slivory. Oh yeah. Modern slivory right there. So what happened is I just, cause I was at an art museum and I was like, this shit is ass. Like I was at an art museum and I was like, um, this shit is ass. Like I went to an art museum and it was sold out. So there's probably, they netted probably six million and they were all like, shit,

you could paint in high school. So I was like, fuck this. I'm going to do this on my own. Painted it, auctioned it just on my own website. And um, the final bid was 200, 3000, but then like most of the top bidders ended up just trying to fuck with me and I wasn't going to like really be offended and like try and like poke at them to get to pay for it. So I just went down the ladder eventually.

Yeah. 156,000 was the final sale price. That's insane. And then the other schemes we did was I traded options, meme coins, and then gambling. And so we made about 4 million. But then it's like, you'd think you'd be happy with 4 million. Then I fuck off and for two weeks, I literally enjoyed 4 million dollars for two weeks. And then I lost 1.8 on stream.

So it's like, okay, now we have 2 million. And then I lost 200,000 the other night. So I guess I have 2 million dollars. Damn. But you made 4 million a month though? No, it was 60 days. But this is why it's cool. Cause I talk $2 million now. Damn, but you made $4 million a month though? No, it was 60 days. But this is why it's cool, because I talk about this a lot.

You have to be very delusional optimistic about all things because nobody in their right mind would think you can make $10 million in a month gambling. At the start of it, I truly thought I was gonna make, the goal was $25 million in 30 days. And I would put it on everything if you talked to myself two months ago I said I'm gonna do it I know I'm gonna do it I don't know why I'm gonna do it I'm gonna do it any logical person would say you're fucking stupid

and that's not gonna happen because at the start my balance in my bank account was a hundred thousand so it was like how are you gonna turn a hundred thousand twenty five million I couldn't explain to you why or how I was gonna do it I just knew I was gonna do it and so I tried to do it and then as I was Doing I realized that's not possible. It's fucking ridiculous. But as a result, I got a great YouTube video out of it I had the best two months of my life. I made four million dollars I gave away about four hundred thousand dollars like change people's lives So it was probably the best two months of my life But the problem is if I was a little smarter like most people who are like a little more intelligent than me just a tiny bit

They think about it like that doesn't even I'm never gonna try so I would have never fucking tried and then I would have missed out on the Best two months of my life damn that's impressive. Yeah, you did take an IQ test. I saw that video Yeah, dude, I that I swear I could score higher I took that after it was like a really long bad bender And so I was like really hung over, ton of brain fog. And I scored, I think it was a 79. And everyone, I go with it because it's funny and everyone's like, oh, he's got a 79, 79.

I am not that stupid. I was too hung over. But- You don't strike me as a 79. I don't want to take it again because part of me is scared I'll get lower. And then there's a huge problem. And also like what good does it really do

to know your IQ because then you either think you're all super smart like if you score high then you think you're smart you're a or you know I'm too smart or you score low and then you're like I'm useless and idiot so I'm at this point I'm just like and I would also hate to be average because then it's like I'm just the same I would rather be stupid and average you're right though at least you're different you know I don't want to be right. What's average? Like a hundred?

100 I think. Oh 120. 120 is high. I have no idea. No, 120 is high. But you're right. There's no good score. Even if you get like a 150 and you're genius,

you're going to be, you're going to start being a dick. Yeah, exactly. You're going to think you're better than everyone. That doesn't help anybody. Yeah. And if you're average, you're just going to be like, shit, I'm average. Like that sucks. Yeah. So, and if you're average, you're just gonna be like, shit, I'm average. Like that sucks.

Yeah. So it was a fun, uh, bit, but I don't think I need to know anymore about. Did you take a real one, like a four hour test? Like it was legit. No, no. I took, um, three different, they're not like fully, not legit. I don't know what goes into IQ. I think also that's a good point. I think IQ is, uh, consists of a lot of things like how fast, like, like your reaction time. I don't know. I think also that's a good point. I think IQ is, consists of a lot of things. Like how fast, like your reaction time, I don't know, I think, and like how fast you can run

or whatever, but you don't, there's no way you can tell me. I took these puzzles and it's like, oh, what shape is coming next? That is not legit. So, but either way, I took three 20minute tests and all of them scored under a hundred. But that's fucking ridiculous. I was too hungover. How were your grades in school growing up? Were you a good student? My GPA

in college before I dropped out was like a 1.7. And then in senior year high school, I think I got like a 2.1. But I mean they were good enough. I got okay. Well school I think I got like a 2.1 but I mean they were good enough I got okay well I guess I forget what my average was in high school but the college I went to Montana State University they accept anybody if you have above I think a 2. So it was the only option I had and that's why I went there but good enough grades to get into college not good enough grades to impress anybody as far as a job goes. I feel what were you trying to do like majoring when you were there? I was just a fucking idiot. I did finance like every retard.

They was like, I don't know what to do. Let's go do finance. And then as I was getting my finance degree, I was skipping all my classes because I was trying to learn about like how I can make money, this and that. And I ended up making which I thought was a genius at the time. when I graduated high school my grandparents gave me ten thousand dollars and I took that ten thousand dollars and I like you know the Dunning Krug whatever thing the curve where it's like when you first learn about something you think you know everything. Oh yeah yeah. So I watched like four

YouTube videos on Bitcoin it's like I got this shit figured out. I take that ten thousand dollars I turned it into nine hundred thousand dollars and like I'm the fucking man. I'm gonna drop out,000, I turned it into $900,000 and I was like, I'm the fucking man. I'm gonna drop out. So I dropped out, thought I was the coolest motherfucker on the planet. Six months later, I had zero dollars and I owed the IRS like $250,000 for taxes. Because like, A, I didn't know what taxes was at the time, at 18 years old. And B, I didn't know, like I was just, I thought me making that money was me being skilled and not being lucky.

So I was like, I can go on this vacation, just do it again, do it again. I do it again and I lost it all. So that was a great learning experience. But anyway, that's why I ended up dropping out of college. So it was a blessing in disguise that I lost all that money. Cause at least I got out of college, out of the rat race.

You've made and lost your money a few times on. Yeah, I've been, um, like pretty well off and then dead broke twice. Now one was the blowing it on cars, jewelry, and then the leverage trading ended up going back to zero. And then the other time it was just like 20 hours stream played Plinko for 20 hours straight at the time I had like maybe three hundred thousand dollars to my name and then Lost all of it on stream and I was dead broke and then now we're back This is the third time I've had money and I'm hoping I don't fuck it up this time. I don't think will happen again

Do you I? Would say probably happen one more time But it's fine because I'm ready for it and I'm ready for any challenge because it's almost like There's something about it that I really enjoy It almost makes me feel alive to lose and get everything and I'm also here to have fun like Whatever I spent half a million dollars on the jewelry. I'm wearing right now. Do I have enough money to have no but it's like I'm having fun and buy expensive cars going expensive vacations because what the fuck is your money go for when you're? 60 50 like as far as security goes everyone's good

After seventy thousand dollars a month you can do everything and anything in the world in my experience You have the security for all your health issues You can you take care of your kids and then after 70,000 a month that money is just fun free money whatever like if you drove your if you got a yacht or you drive your dream car and you're looking like Warren Buffett fuck that sounds so shitty to be you can't even walk right the bitches don't matter because they're old and wrinkly anyways or you're 22. I would say my advice to people is if you got $500 in your bank account go buy a Burberry t-shirt. The best. Like you go spend your money crazy because it's way easier to make more money than it is to

pinch pennies and its memories are priceless. I'll never regret going broke but I got to go on a crazy vacation with my friends or did this and that driving your dream car at a young age is a very special spectacular experience so like take out that loan buy your dream car because do you really think you're never gonna make money ever again you have say 50,000 year name do you want to try and invest it or maybe just take out a loan by driving Lamborghini and then figure it out from there. Have you found happiness from buying materialistic things?

Just experiences in cars, jewelry now. Like I don't feel any happier from like things like jewelry but really expensive dinners with my friends, really buying private jets with my friends and going like to really cool destinations like whatever Dubai. That stuff, like I said, memories are priceless. And then cars, like it's almost an experience in itself. I guess it's really just like that is everyone loves attention whether you want to admit it or not. And the attention you get, especially as a young man,

like people love impressing girls and like other young dudes, like everyone, when you have a Lamborghini at a young age, it's the coolest feeling ever. So I would say cars and experiences, totally worth it. Jewelry, not worth it. I feel that, yeah, I got some watches and I don't even wear them, man. It's like, why'd I even get this?

Exactly, what kind of watches you got? I got six, oh, I shouldn't even say this I got six Rolexes You know cool dude, but no happiness You know I do love doing is I like I think I've bought Maybe like I've probably spent like 300,000 on watches for my friends. Cause it's really, really cool to give a friend a watch, especially if they've never had a Rolex, never had a Patek.

It's cause getting your first watch is very exciting. It's a- First one hits. You feel very, it's very different getting the first one. So I would say that's a good use of money on watches. Did you learn that from Steve? He used to do that a lot. 100% I learned it from him.

I've learned a lot of my stuff from Steve. Steve will do it. People give me shit that he made me rich and he did. I met Steve, like my brand is my brand, but I didn't know what my brand is worth. Within 30 days of meeting Steve will do it, we got along really well, really genuine guy. We're really good friends now. My income 10x'd once, 30 days after I met Steve, he's like, dude, you got to do this different X, Y, Z. Like he's really intelligent as far as business and money goes,

which a lot of people don't give them the credit for. And then the generosity he's shown was the more it's the idea that don't be so fucking about your money. It's not, money when you don't hold onto it so tightly, it just like falls into your hands. So I have no problem giving away more than what most people would say is responsible, just cause A, it feels incredible.

Like the dopamine I get from giving away money is unlike anything else is good karma. So you get good luck gambling in the future. And so it's a good ROI on investment. If you really think about it that way. And yeah, it just, it comes back. Yeah. He's a, he's one of the biggest givers. Him and Mr. Beast, they'd be given out.

And they're rich as fuck. Like some of the most wealthy influences are the ones that are giving away millions. That's true. Did you see the Steve will do a Stiney podcast episode? No, I saw Steve was drunk yelling at Stiney though. Yeah. I didn't watch the whole thing.

You didn't see it though? No. Yeah, they had some beef, but it looks like they're cool now. Yeah, Steve just got Stiney at Richard Mills, so it sounds like he forgave him for whatever happened. Yeah. That's good though, I don't like to see them fighting. Yeah, no, I think,

I think both sides are, I can see why both sides are mad at each other But they've figured it out. Yeah, I think we're taking it. We're taking it yet altogether on Sunday So it sounds like well, there's a lot of drama in your world, man. There's always beef going on Yeah, I don't like to get too involved I don't even really like doing collabs like podcasts are really even a hard thing for me to go on just because I like Doing stuff myself like I guess I do like maybe a podcast every six months or something just to, it's like free content for me right.

I don't have to put so much work, I just show up. But for some reason it's kind of like I really enjoy, you know who Sam Seelig is? He's done one collab in his whole career and that's like the purest form of creating content is that you're the content. Like there's creators, I respect Stiney, I respect Neon, but, and they've done incredible for themselves, but if Neon had no collabs or Stiney didn't have Nelk, it would be, their careers would be set back a lot. So to a certain point, you're kind of like a slave to that. Like you need that.

Whereas if you can get in a situation where you're like Steve or myself, it's just, I could, my next YouTube video is just me talking at the camera for an hour straight and it'll get millions and millions of views because people are there for the togi experience. Yeah, no, that's a good point. There's certain creators, they don't need a collab.

Like Danny Duncan's one of them. Yeah, no, he's killing it. And a big part of that is knowing how like you that you arm or Danny Duncan myself, whoever that you're lightning in a bottle like everyone Could be a one-man army super entertaining a lot of people just don't give them the credit for how entertaining they are I think about it this way right eight billion people on a planet You don't think that at least 5 million, the percentage is tiny, at least 5 million will be diehard fans of yours if you're truly authentic to yourself 100%.

I mean, dude, how many people watch the WNBA? Maybe 50 million a year, unique viewers. Have you ever watched a fucking WNBA game in your life? No. People will watch anything and they'll consume any product. You just have to be yourself and unique. Yeah, yeah, there's a big market for your stuff too with the gambling content. I feel like you guys get the most engagement I've ever seen. It's hot right now. I think I was born at a lucky time. Like if I really, if I was born 20 years ago, I would be super poor.

Like I was blessed to be an age where I can do one-ed buys, post videos of me getting drunk on the internet and trade meme coins and make a living off of it. But without that it would be, it's a scary thought and I've thought about it a lot and I like to give myself credit of being like an ambitious, confident young man. If I did not have the tools that we were blessed with, I'd be in a bad spot. It is a good time. There weren't even pods 20 years ago. I mean, what do you think you'd be doing if there's like, you got this podcast, but if you couldn't podcast, and there wasn't the internet, or it wasn't hot like this.

I mean, you wouldn't be able to make as much. I could see you like writing a book, but how do you even get a book being popular back in the day? Nah, I failed writing in college. I'd be trashed about. I don't know what I'd do. I'd probably try to be an NBA player. Who knows? I guess you're, how tall are you? Six, six.

But now that's the average height of NBA players. Back then you'd be a beast. Back then I'd be Yao Ming. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I don't know. Internet's changed the world. It's made opportunities for guys like us, right? Yeah, and it's made it,

well, I don't know how much money you make, but we really make as much money as like NBA players now. Well, people look at the superstar contracts. I think the average pay for NBA players is like 400,000. That's it? That's what I'm saying. And you say that's it, bro, but to most people, 400,000 is a lot,

but the internet money has given regular kids, dudes, the chance and opportunity to go Hollywood. Like you have 11 million followers. That's you're more famous than like Hollywood actors. And that used to be like the highest echelons. Is that the word? Is that appropriate? Yeah.

I know what you're talking about. But either way, the point being is that we've been blessed with the opportunities and that's a good point for the viewers is that You can absolutely perform at a level higher than doctors Just by picking using it. You don't have to be famous You don't have to go on social media, but internet money allows anybody no matter how I mean, I guess on paper I'm 79. I think I'm higher but on paper I'm 79 I'm no different than you know, I'm like the most regular college kid ever and I'm performing at a pretty High level in comparison like more than doctors or whatever. So anyone anyone can do it

I remember when I was a kid growing up if you wanted to become a doctor that was like the peak Yeah, that was like you're like goaded if you're a doctor. My grandpa he the peak. Yeah, that was like you're like goaded if you're a doctor. My grandpa, he is like super Chinese. Oh yeah. Barely speaks English, like classic strict, go to school, be a doctor. So he wants me to get, wanted me to get my PhD, was really on my ass, especially when I dropped out, like you got to go back to your PhD, get your PhD. And then eight months ago I told him how much money I was making and he's like, oh dude, fuck that. All our grandchildren should drop out. Cause the doctor is like, you're making more than a doctor.

Like in sometimes days you make a dollar a salary, doctor's salary. So I think the culture is definitely shifting. Yeah. My mom was Chinese too. She was tough on me for academic. You're Chinese? Yeah. Half Chinese.

Oh shit. I didn't know you here threw me off. I'm also the tallness of. You're Chinese? Yeah, half Chinese. Oh, shit. The curly hair threw me off. Yeah, I'm half Irish. Also, the tallness of you. That's not Chinese at all, yeah. Is your dad super tall or what? Yeah, my dad was 6'6". He's full Irish.

Oh, OK, cool. So half white, half Chinese. Have you been to China? Yeah, I visited my grandparents' home village, and I do not like China. Like, I respect it. And I know I'm supposed to be ops with Japan. I guess that's, I don't know the history behind it,

but South Park makes it seem as if we got beef. But Japan's way sicker. Like China is kind of dirty and like, it's not as, people are not quite as pleasant in China as they are Japan. And it's just, I hate Chinese food. Really? Not into dog.

It's... yeah. They eat weird shit out there, dude. They do. The culture is cool though. Like, I can respect it from afar. Yeah. I like Japanese food more though. It's not even close.

Yeah, 100%. Like sushi and curry or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that shit slaps. Curry is... I thought that was Indian. There's multiple types. Oh, shit. Yeah. Japanese curry is lighter. Indian curry is heavy, man. I've only had Indian shit. I like Indian curry. What happened with Myron? You said you had some beef with Myron from Fresh and Fit. Yeah, bro. When I wasn't popping, like small creator,

a few hundred thousand followers, I DM'd them. I went to podcasts because I was really red-pilled at the time. I thought that she was sick. I think it's gay as fuck now. I think it's the gayest shit ever. Thinking all the... I think the red-pilled guys are like full scumbags at the internet. Taking advantage of insecure men to buy your course. And it's equivalent of selling a course on teaching people how to make money.

Like, give me money in exchange for, in my opinion, a useless service. But either way, I DM my room and their podcast, and I say, can I go on? They go, yeah, we got this segment for you. And I was trying to figure out my scheduling. I didn't respond for like three days. And I don't know exactly why they blocked me. Everybody blocks me at the exact same time,

and I think it's because they thought they were hot shit, took too long to whatever respond. And then I start popping again, and since they already blocked me or whatever, I was at the gym and one of their representatives comes up to me in Miami and he's like, hey, I'm with Push and Fit, we love your stuff, do you wanna come on? And he's like, oh, now that I'm popping,

you wanna have me on your fucking podcast even though you thought you were too good for me back when I was a little bit smaller. And then I think I tweeted something about it. Myron made a whole YouTube video or something. I didn't watch the whole thing, but he, um, is just talking about how I'm a retard. He's like, all right, dudes, I'm sorry that I'm not so smart. I am not arguing that I'm very smart at all.

I'm just trying to have fun with my life. And he's got this whole like, he likes to try and use me as a bad example and then I skipped halfway through the video and he was all of a sudden talking about how his course or whatever how he's trying to teach young men to like young famous guys don't get it the struggle of whatever and I was like dude I wasn't famous a year ago and I was still 21 like he's trying to he make it seem like I can't relate to the average man because I have it now. I don't know. I don't care for them. Would you ever launch a course? No, I would never launch a course even though I do think I have really valuable information. Specifically, I am 100% sure I can make any person go viral in six months. Damn. Well, dude, I used to, and I'll stand on that business

like 100% of the time, no one put in, like people don't put in hours like I have. And I can say that confidently, because I used to be, once I found out that no one is going to save me but me, I was literally skipping, like I would, there'd be a party at my frat and I'd be in the basement watching Jake Paul videos, taking notes, not because I like Jake Paul, but because I wanted to figure out why is Bryce Hall so viral? Why is Jake Paul so viral? What's different

about these guys? And I fully cracked the algorithm. It's the same as a Rubik's cube. It's very complicated when you're looking at it. You're looking at a Rubik's cube and like, this is impossible. But then you look at the fucking retard next to you and he's like solving it super fast. It's like that analogy made me realize that it cannot be that hard. Like if those, some people have and I have not, and these people are not very intelligent.

Like you can think of a billion influencers and it's like, you're a fucking idiot, but he has, and I have not. There's no reason that I like, well, either I am chronically uncapable and less lucky than every influencer ever or I've not tried hard enough. So I spent a ton of time trying to crack the algorithm. Now I am a hundred percent sure I could make

every TikTok go viral, every person. If I had four hours to evaluate them and talk to them and go through everything, they could be viral. Damn, you got the formula. I think. What was the first video for you that popped off? You remember it? Yeah, it was me making, so I used to do, I'll show you an example.

I used to do videos of me taking steroids on the internet cause they were hot. So I actually took steroids in the pursuit of being famous. So it's like this kind of thing, like me working out and then me taking steroids. Yeah. And then, so this is what a lot of people don't know this part about me cause this is, but this is when I first moved on.

I mean, look at the views on these videos, like everything, every time, like no TikTok I ever posted did less than five mil. Holy crap. I wanted something at the time that people had a large audience of supporters, something with shock value and a large audience of haters. And it was the perfect, perfect formula for going viral every time. So the first time I went viral was one of the gear edits. And then I, because I started off as a fitness influencer. That was my thing.

I was like the, uh, devil of the fitness community. Cause I would talk about how awesome steroids are all the time. The steroids are awesome in my opinion, but I was definitely like glorifying it for the, um, shock value. And people would be making people that were popping in the fitness industry. No one ever talked about how steroids were cool before, except for Rich Piana, but he passed away. But so he's pre-TikTok.

No one in the Tik Tok era talked about how cool steroids are. And I got a lot of people that were more famous than me angry. Like I had 50,000 followers, but I would have people with a million followers making fun of me, making videos on me because that's the first time they've, usually people, if you have less cloud than them, they don't, but they were genuinely angry about it. So they're making videos and it really, it took what?

I think I did, I mean, I had my first million followers in maybe like three months after the gear edits, because it was just perfect, the perfect storm for the algorithm. But I've stopped doing that. I don't even, like I said, I work out three times a month now. And I've detached, that's my core is fitness,

but I'm not so into being like, it's not super healthy to be 230, for my build at least. So yeah, I'm a skinnier guy, but it's not good for your heart to pump blood, or your heart can't, especially like you go from 170 to 250, 230, whatever. Then in six months your heart is doesn't grow like that.

You put on 80 pounds in six months? It was closer to maybe nine months. That's still crazy though. There's a lot of steroids is taking like nobody you couldn't do that like a ton like I took as many steroids as like Chris Bumstead. The best bodybuilders in the world. And that's why I got a lot of hate too. Cause I would tell people exactly what steroids I was doing.

And they'd be like, dude, you know, you're taking as much as open body. Like these guys are 300 pounds jack. And I was like, yeah, sounds like fun though. So that's how I was able to make such a crazy progress. Did you feel any burnout or side effects from that? Externally, no. Internally, like if you look at my blood work at the time, it was like blood pressure through the roof, liver not functioning, how it's supposed to, kidneys out one- Well, you were drinking too though, right?

Drinking and doing a lot, a lot of drugs. Like the hard drugs is the biggest problem when you're taking so many pills. Your kidneys can't process your thick blood, your heart going a million miles an hour from stimulants. Like that was horrible for my life. I'm trying. Well, I am move forward. I don't even take steroids anymore. I'm fully moved away from that journey because I thought I was invincible.

And then I don't know if you saw, but I overdosed, had to go to the hospital and then I thought I was gonna die. So that was when I like woke up. Off steroids? No, at the time it was, I took a gram and a half of Adderall and I was doing cocaine and Xanax that night. And then there was, and somewhere in that mix, there was meth in my blood work. So I wasn't doing meth on purpose but somewhere it was just all too much and so I thought I was

going to die that night and that's when I realized I wasn't invincible and so now I've since like turned it back. Turned it back 90 percent. Well the formula worked you're still viral it reminds me of Steve because he came on the scene just pounding alcohol and everyone was like what the fuck is this like everyone was hating on him you're gonna kill yourself and now he's just viral still. Yeah, exactly every a lot of people loved it because it's like whoa, that's awesome He's funny. He's entertaining and a lot of people hated it most viral man on the internet for years Yeah, like there's even though people seem like idiots. There's a lot of method behind The madness of going viral a lot of people think about it more than you think. That's why a lot of people think it's luck. Oh, he's viral, this and that.

A lot of people are really conscious of exactly what they're doing. It's not luck to maintain it. I think some people like Hawk Tour Girl can get lucky initially, but if you wanna maintain it, there's some skill there. Well, I talk about the Hawk Tour Girl a lot because a lot of people get jealous of her,

but you shouldn't be looking at what others have to what others have because you'd never know if you're successful on borrowed effort you haven't prepared yourself for your you haven't gone through the trials to be ready for like the real fame the real whatever success like I thought I was the shit when I made 900K as 18. That was borrowed effort. That was luck. I didn't put in the sweat equity to deserve what I had. And the universe took it away from me because I wasn't deserving of it.

So Hawk Tua, everyone for two months thinks she's the coolest ever. Not the coolest necessarily, but how, why does she have that? And I don't, she didn't deserve that. She just said spit on a thing whatever and then three months later she does a cryptocurrency scam I highly doubt it was her fault I don't think she knew what the fuck was going on yeah I think the people just took advantage of her that's exactly the problem she didn't have the proper management because it was too fast she wasn't ready she wasn't educated on what was going on and then the universe took it down and now nobody everyone thought she was the luckiest and

Now nobody would ever trade their life for haktuas. So I tell people if Your life is shitty now That's amazing because your trials are preparing you for the success that you will see if you're showing up every day Even though your life is shitty, you're still, you know where you're headed and when you are successful, it will be real success. It won't be Hawk2A success. Agreed. Yeah, that overnight success is dangerous, man. And it's shitty because

she didn't ask for it. Like a lot of people hate on her. I feel bad for her because she didn't ask for it. She was viral and now she's got this huge storm shit. So I'm rooting for her and I, she just went through a ton of bullshit and that's a trial preparing her for her success. So one day she's gonna be back with real success, whether people like it or not and I'm excited to see what she does with it. Agreed.

Has a success ever gotten to your head recently? Like you just went crazy from it? No, sometimes I come off like mildly egotistical. I try not to, but the thing is I always was very like very confident in where I was going and what I'm doing. I just couldn't speak on it because like I was talking about earlier, I can make anyone go viral. A lot of people are going to see that man, he's just ego, huge, whatever.

But I always felt that way, especially because I knew the work I was putting in and I knew that it can't be that hard. I'm putting in the work, it has to work, it's gonna work. But I didn't speak on it because the proof of concept wasn't there. Like how am I gonna go on the internet? I'm gonna be so fucking famous, I got 20,000 followers. But now that I have the attention that I had manifested for myself. It feels like I'm more willing to talk about it openly Yeah, and now with the Clippers these days you can you can make anyone go viral if you got the right. Oh my god, dude

I saw a guy on your podcast probably an unpleasant amount of time talking about how he put meat and honey on his And I was like dude, shut the fuck fuck up but I watched saw that video 90 times I don't know it was he was not no wasn't famous he just did more video views than I did last month and he's not famous at all just cuz the Clippers they go insane they go hard man and that's a yeah that it's kind of the entry date really he put that on the map He came on I copied his method and now every fitness influencer DMs my clippers like hey, well you click for me click for me like it's the method it's and it's why I Mean I put out today. I did 90 posts damn and I just woke up. It's So much more for your effort and I come on this podcast will probably do like whatever this will make a lot of views effort and I come on this podcast will probably do like whatever this will make a lot of views to 50 hundred million views and it just took took a few hours

it's great crazy right yeah I'm gonna probably run 50 million views to this you know yeah I mean we got the discord going we got 800 clippers in there dude it's not you have 800 clippers 100 oh dude I just got 20 Indians I'll take over the world I swear 20 Indians you have a different method so I pay mine per million views yeah so my clippers I don't even want to put the world on this game too hard. It's like almost I'm so proud of it that I... You're probably spending way less than me, then. I treat them like business partners because that's what they are to me and they're very

important to my brand. So I pay them much more than the average clipper. But the method that a lot of people just try and find generic clippers because they don't really know exactly, like just whatever, anyone want to clip for me, clip for me, DM a bunch of random clipping accounts, but what I decided to do is I want fans to clip for me. I want kids that are people that are super, they're gonna enjoy clipping for me, they're already loyal to me, and if somebody's clipping as a job, it's like harder work for them, but if they're gonna enjoy clipping for me. They're already loyal to me. And if somebody's clipping as a job, it's like harder work for them.

But if they're clipping for fun and they already love my shit, they just watching my content and they have a similar sense of humor as me. So I found 20 people that already were like really big fans of what I'm doing and my content. And then I reached out to them and was like, oh, like we can do this clipping thing.

And it kind of, um, it was a learning curve of, I have to, you know, cause some of them weren't like, didn't have the original skillset. So that's the battle you're going against. Instead of getting skilled clippers, if you'd go whatever the route of hiring already professionals, but I mean, one kid I had, he was a fan. He had 80 followers since hiring him. He's done, I think 600 million views So it doesn't like you can learn and once now these people

Were a team rather than me being their boss. So it's a much more fluid clipping experience. That's cool Yeah, these days when you're a streamer, you almost need a clipping team to make it. Oh a hundred percent especially with the streams because I Even when I'm going through my video like if I'm trying to find clips and edit, I can't watch myself gamble for 20 hours. I'll sit there for four hours straight and not say a word. I'm just like clicking Plinko balls. So it's just, you need, you need Clippers. So you used to do your own edits, huh? Yeah, I used to do everything. Until the Clippers, I would do 100% of my content myself, but it's just so much harder to get the

I don't even post clips on my account because it just anymore I used to but it's Like I said 90 posts today Whereas if I was doing it on my own every time I post it probably takes like three hours to make it It's not the most like Experienced I'm like weirdly picky about how it gets edited. So experience. I'm like weirdly picky about how it gets edited. So that was, and I still edit all my movies myself, which takes like the last one took 200 hours to edit, which I should fix. But dude, your videos are long. I was going to say you might have the longest videos on YouTube for like a big creator. Yeah, I don't know. I just like it because it's different. Yeah. They're like two hours on average, right? Yeah. The last one was six hours. So I had to split it up and I wrote to 10 million. Uh, um, I think like 200 hours of raw footage and then I had to chop it

down and end up being like six hours. That's insane, dude. Yeah. I just like, I think it's cool having like a more of like a movie instead of a short, it's easier to get the full picture and the full story in one movie rather than tiny episodes of my life. You also build a tighter bond with your audience. As I'm thinking, dude, if somebody will watch me for two hours straight, they're a fan. They're genuinely like me, whereas it's a lot easier to get like, TikTok people aren't even real in my opinion.

You could have 10 million followers on TikTok and not be able to sell a thousand units of my product. You won't get recognized on the street with 10 million. Yeah, not at all. TikTok people are not real at all. Whereas YouTube, I get recognized all like a ton because these people are like genuine fans, a fan enough where they'll come, they'll make a purchase, or they'll come up and say hi to me. So that's the biggest thing, like a lot of people ask about going viral. You need to put out, a lot of people are afraid of talking on the camera. You have to talk, you have to put out content that's you.

A lot of people try and be the next Togi, try and be the next Andrew Tate, so they say content like that. You'll never be better at Andrew Tate than Andrew Tate. You'll never be better at Togi than Togi, and no one will be better at you than you. So you you the best way to make money is be a hundred percent authentic to yourself talk to

the camera don't worry about what anyone has to think because at the end of day they're not gonna get the last laugh I tell a lot of people that that I'm giving advice to like how do you get over being so self-conscious I see like all my high school friends are gonna make fun of me all my college friends that you think I'm a fucking dork for trying to be famous or whatever they laugh now but they never get the last laugh everyone used to make fun of me and now everybody is texting me wanting something from me all my old friends in the frat I used to get a ton of shit from it I was like the laughing

stock of the fraternity but now I'm laughing driving home my Lamborghini and they want a job for me, right? I love it. So you were a big frat bro, huh? Yeah, I was in a frat. I did the whole thing. I was the most regular frat dude ever and I still am. Like at heart, I'm a frat bro. I love that shit. I love the fraternity culture. I think it's so much fun. You create such a great bond with the people. So I'm actually going back out there right after this in about a few days. I'm going to my old frat and we're going to party. You're going to film it like Nick Nair-Siener does

with his frat parties? No, no that's his game. I don't like copying people. Not necessarily copying people but I just don't enjoy filming when I'm partying and out. Sometimes I do it because it's good content but like it's kind of the only time I get a breath of fresh air because there's cameras in my face so much that my one of my best friends is graduating this weekend it's like how about we just don't bring the cameras and we have a good weekend. I love that yeah cuz you're filming all freaking day. 24-7 it's not 24-7 but it's I'm filming more often than I'm not filming and it's really nice to be able to just like get shit-faced without having to feel like I'm working still. Yeah. Where's your favorite spot out here

to hit the club or party? Oh I don't go out here I just gamble. Yeah? Yeah if I'm partying I'm in either LA or Bozeman or Boulder where I have my college friends. LA just got voted the worst nightlife in America. Oh really? Yeah. It's not very good out there. I prefer, everyone likes to, everyone, the dream is like oh I want to go to Miami voted the worst nightlife in America. Oh really? Yeah. It's not very good out there. I prefer, everyone likes to, everyone, the dream is like, oh, I want to go to Miami and go to live and drop 15 on a table. That shit sucks. Going to a frat party or like a house party or a regular like local bar, I have so much

more fun. You can have conversations with people and you get to fuck around. Whereas if you're at an expensive club, it just like music's really loud and everyone's dancing and the lights are really dark. You can't really talk to people. And then you're just like the most exciting part is getting the bottle. Like it's sometimes it's a cool experience, but it's not genuine fun. I'm with you. I prefer house party over club all day.

What's it like talking to people? I don't want to dance. I want to talk. So I guess that's where we do where we differ from other people's a lot of people like just not say anything and just like Dancing on yeah, they're trying to dance and get laid or whatever. Yeah, I'm just trying to have a conversation man Different strokes for different folks. Well, what's next for you out here man? Are you gambling tonight? Yeah tonight You know who TJR trades is I do he I made I didn't make him lose money But we we gambled for the first time. He's never gambled before really in a casino. We lost some money,

so we're gonna try and win it back tonight. And then tomorrow night, gambling Steve will do it. And then hopefully, we, I don't know, I would like to make just, if I make a hundred thousand this trip, so I just need to net 300,000 over the next two nights, and then I'm out of here. Do you prefer the in-person gambling or the online?

Online is more fun, more stimulating, but only if you're with friends. Cause sometimes I'll be on stream and I'm alone, hour 18 of gambling and it's very depressing. That's some of the most depressing things that you can do is spending wanted buys on day three of a bender by yourself in your room. That sucks. When

you're with friends it's a very exciting experience. So that's, online is the best. Yeah. That's a rare answer. The slots are the better odds online because the competition is a lot tighter and they don't have as much overhead. So you just use one provider and the RTP is like up to 97.5%. Whereas in Vegas, I don't know the exact RTP, but I guarantee you. It's nowhere close to that. Nowhere close.

It's probably like 93. Yeah, which to people that don't gamble, 93% RTP is like you're losing every time. It's horrible. Damn, 97.5 on slots. That's insane. That's like the best of the best. Our average would be like 97.

And it goes down. Lowest I've ever seen is 96. Have you ever made money on slots in person? Last time I was here, I actually made 30k on Huff and More Puff. No way. But that was awesome. Like that doesn't normally happen. There's some like autistic people that figured out like

what machines to play. Have you heard of this? Oh, the, I forget what it's like, jackpot maxing or something. Like when a slot has not paid long enough on the jackpot because of the progressive jackpots, then all of a sudden you have technically a positive RTP as far as bet to jackpot.

But I don't understand how they know how to calculate the RTP if we have no idea what the odds of like said jackpot is. Like online slots, you just look it up, what are the odds of the jackpot? You can find your odds of like said jackpot is. Like online slots, you just look at what are the odds of the jackpot and you can find your exact RTP to jackpot. Whereas Vegas, I don't know if you can find that out. I've never hunted it down too hard

because I just assume it's impossible to find. But it sounds like if you have a big enough bankroll, you can be a profitable slot player and you have to be like really autistic. Yeah. Really crunch those. You gotta be obsessed with it. Are you banned from any casinos out here?

No, I'm not sharp. I'm welcome with open arms. I'm usually asking the dealer what I do on most plays. I've never counted cards. I don't even know how to count cards because I'm here to have fun, dude. The only reason they wouldn't like me is because I get really drunk and I start yelling,

not in a bad way, like in excitement, or I'm just loud and whatever. So that's sometimes annoying, but one of the least sharp, I tip well, not sharp. The idea and have a ton of money. Ideal customer actually for their dream. Yeah, exactly. That's why they treat me so good. Have you gambled with Mickey Mace yet?

No. I know. I haven't. What do you think that would end up in? We I mean, we're both. I don't know. I would see us winning money. Okay. Yeah I never know with him. I hear a mix things but he's cool. Yeah. He's been on the show a few times. Oh yeah? Heard some crazy stories. Yeah but he's a good storyteller. That's what that's, he talks about business, blackjack, bug rap. His skill is telling stories. He's an

incredible storyteller. I want to practice that. But a big problem I have run into is he's pretty sober these days. I, somebody asked me on a podcast yesterday to describe what my biggest win ever felt like, but I didn't remember it because it was so inebriated that I didn't even know what happened until I watched the footage back. So I'm horrible at selling toys mostly because I don't remember a lot of things I do which is why I stopped taking Xanax It's because a lot of the coolest shit I did over the last year is like I Saw it. I never lived it Xanax is a memory wiper. I used to take

Yeah, it's Benefited my career in a sense that I could do like really crazy shit. I'm like what is wrong with this kid? but in the sense of my wellbeing and just overall happiness it's been the biggest setback. So I've cut that out entirely. It destroys your emotions too. Yeah. Like that must've fucked up your dating life

and personal friendships too, right? I guess I made it out with my friends. Like I live still here. I still got my core like seven friends, but it's a horrible, horrible drug. Yeah, fuck that one. That's the one I never recommend people to get on Xanax. There's a lot of drugs that I do that I don't necessarily recommend that I do a lot and enjoy, but like really like Ketamine, Percocet are also horrible. Like most drugs have

as much fallout as they say. Like a lot of people are like, oh that couldn't be me, it's not as bad as you can imagine, but like the only one that I have found has a genuine positive ROI or stimulants, but then I don't yet know the effect it's had on my heart. I'm getting an MRI soon on my heart to see exactly what it looks like. It's just because I'm curious and I want to work towards being a healthier person. But every drug I've ever taken, positive ROI I would say cocaine and alcohol. Everything else is kind of... Negative. What about mushrooms?

I don't get... Everyone's like, it gives me a spiritual awakening and like they're natural and it makes you smarter or whatever, like reconnects shit in your brain. I've never... I just get high as shit the next day. Like it's the same as acid for me. I'm just tripping balls and then I wake up the next day. And when I was doing a lot of acid, I'm very anti-psychedelic because when I was doing a lot of acid, I thought I had the third eye. I thought I was so smart.

I thought I was better than everyone. I'm awakened, I know the keys to the universe. I was a crazy person. And you look at any person, you logically look at any person that does a lot of psychedelics They're crazy people. None of this is reality. That doesn't even make fucking sense I guess as long as they're happy they're happy but I think psychedelics are the worst drug as far as being successful in the real world and your little imaginary dream world of

Mushrooms and acid maybe you're having fun and happy but your magic dream world isn't retiring your mother and isn't paying the bills. So I would say weed acid mushrooms like I would never recommend it seems like a lot of successful people recommend mushrooms. So clearly my opinion might be wrong on the mushrooms. Well they recommend micro dosing it. Oh is that what it is? Yeah there's a difference like you're talking about full trips.

Yeah I've seen acid fuck people up for life. Yeah. Like I'm not even kidding. They're never the same. I feel, well, this is interesting. Acid is meant for children and this is a very genuine thought that I have. Adults taking acid, it doesn't interact with your brain the same as it does. Did you ever take acid as like a kid?

Teenagers, if you consider that. Like 14, 15 years old. I was like 18, 19. I would say the ages 14 to 17, there's something very special where acid interacts with the brain very positively. But as an adult, it just is a negative, I would say a negative ROI.

But as a kid, obviously I'm not gonna tell my kid to do acid, but I think it's a genuinely beneficial experience as a kid, just how it interacts with the youthful brain. But as an adult, it's just unproductive. Well,, just how it interacts with the youthful brain. But as an adult, it's just unproductive. Well, I just feel like at those ages, there's no stress. So like I can smoke weed every day at those ages and not have a panic attack.

If I smoke weed right now, I'm collapsing on the floor. And then it's, oh my God, weed makes me so paranoid. And then you have so much shit you gotta do, but you can't think straight to do it. It makes you lazy, it makes you happy not doing anything. And then the next day you're like, I just jacked off four times, watched Rick and Marty and ate like 10,000 calories.

So weed, I think is, it's deceivingly enjoyable because you can take it every day and still do just enough to get by. And a lot of people think it makes you more creative, but that's just because they're not willing to do. Nothing. The like in order to spark creativity, you need to spend time with your thoughts and you need to just like stare at, I've been looking at this thing a lot.

And it's very like, you just need to stare and let yourself think a lot of people wouldn't be willing to stare at that rock for five minutes, unless they're baked as shit. So it forces them into a state of meditation so they think they're being more creative but really what's happening is you're being forced into a subpar state of meditation which is a higher level of thinking than no meditation but the best meditation is obviously sober thinking. Yeah absolutely. Man anything else you want to close off with that was fun? Um let me think no dude thank you so much for having me on. That was incredible. I really appreciate you. Yeah, check them out guys. We'll link to stuff below. See you next time.