Digital Social Hour - Gary Brecka and Sage Workinger On Fluoride, EMF, Obesity Rates & Launch Of New Podcast | DSH #174

Episode Date: November 26, 2023

On today's episode of Digital Social Hour, Gary Brecka & Sage Workinger come by the studio to discuss the launch of their new podcast, how damaging EMF radiation is & the latest in health/bio hacks. BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail] APPLY TO BE ON THE POD: https://forms.gle/qXvENTeurx7Xn8Ci9 SPONSORS: Opus Pro: https://www.opus.pro/?via=DSH HelloFresh: https://www.hellofresh.com/50dsh Deposyt Payment Processing: https://www.deposyt.com/seankelly LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You know what? We went so viral, but here's the problem, to be honest with you. She's out-trending me. All right, if you get the anniversary date, he'll make up for it. Oh, God, he's never going to get that either. February 3rd. 5th. What year? Sean, you're never coming on this podcast again.

Welcome back, guys. Digital Social Hour. I got some returning guests for you guys today. Gary Brecken, Sage Workinger. How's it going, guys? It's going amazing, man. Thank you for having us for having us back absolutely i mean we went so viral the first time we had to run it back it's crazy you know what we went so viral but here's here's the problem be honest with you she's out trending me and um by like a million views and and it's

really starting to bother me i mean it really was It was becoming a competition. And I think I still have the biggest video, if we're comparing ours. You do. Now, maybe you have more collectively views. But I still have. There's that one. It went like almost 10 million views or something. So I'm making all these fake accounts. And I'm kind of like one starring her shit.

Oh, that's you? That's you mastermind? You're like Damon underscore 254. That's me. Get you on my feet every day. What's the latest in health hacks since we last spoke? Dude, there's so many. I mean, I'm still a huge fan of breathwork,

red light therapy, or natural sunlight grounding. But, you know, the field of anti-aging, longevity, biohacking is growing so fast. And now the science is finally catching up yeah meaning we got real empirical data like real evidence-based um peer-reviewed published you know studies being done on human beings and and I think post-pandemic people are a lot more receptive to wellness and longevity and biohacking because they realized that you know a giant farce was just perpetrated on them and they realized hey i gotta take i gotta take health into my

own hands here right so you guys aren't getting as much hate not getting nearly i still get shadow banned a lot if i talk about seed oils or the vaccine i just stopped talking i just said the v word that's you just lost a million views right there. Cut that out. I had to start censoring it for real. Yeah. It's scary. People are angry one way or the other. And I think a lot of it has to do with what state are you living in

and what are they feeding you? Because we live in Florida. And I mean, we live in Naples, Florida. I think we went on lockdown for like two and a half weeks, and then everybody was like, okay, that was good. We're over it now. Yeah, Florida did it right. They were like the only state.

Yeah, we really were, but we got a lot of shit for it. You look at the fallout from this. You know, it really devastated a lot of immune systems because I have a saying that aging is the aggressive pursuit of comfort. And what I mean by that is that people are unwilling in a lot of cases to put themselves in a little bit of discomfort in order to strengthen themselves.

And not all stress is bad for the body, right? I mean we know if you don't load a bone, it won't strengthen. If you don't tear a muscle, it doesn't grow. If you don't challenge the immune system, it weakens. And you're seeing the byproduct of a globally weakened immune system now, social distancing, residential quarantining, you know, masking. Human beings were really meant to be in the proximity of other human beings and exchange different pathogens and keep a strong immune system.

So now there's all kinds of, I think we're in our eighth variant of Omicron and monkey pox. I'm like, what the monkey pox? The masks are coming back out. And the biggest thing that I learned from so many doctors that will actually speak out about it, masks don't work. Right. If anything, like what did they want? One doctor, neurosurgeon told us six viruses can fit in the hole of every one of those blue masks that people are wearing.

And that's like a medical mask that's not like the makeshift bandanas that people were starting to wear at one point but it also can get through your tear ducts so we can all pretend maybe it helps maybe it helps if somebody's sneezing nearby but ultimately masks were not created to prevent all of that well we we we just went right off the cliff. Sorry, you can cut that part out too. Damn, we're starting off strong here. Yeah, we're starting off strong. That's going to go viral.

We're going to get so much hate for it. 100%, we're going to get censored. Sean's going to disappear. Sean's going to hang himself on a bed sheet. You guys look better every time I see you, which should be the opposite, right? But you're looking better. Yeah. You're feeling more energy.

Especially with our travel schedule. I know. It's insane. This week we're like Miami, Vegas, LA. Yeah, Miami, Austin, Vegas, LA, Dubai. All in a week? Yes. Oh my gosh.

Miami, Austin, Vegas, LA, Dubai, Abu Dhabi. That's insane. Bahrain, Abu Dhabi. Yeah, we're traveling in the Middle East at like probably the worst time possible, but they say it's safe. That's scary. And I see you traveling with that.

What's that water bottle? So it's a hydrogen water filtration bottle. It's called an Echo. And essentially what it does is it adds hydrogen to the water. And I think the best water that you can put in a human body is hydrogen water. I mean, there's lots of different types of water out there. Spring water, there's distilled there's there's alkaline water um you know we sold a big marketing myth to

the public that alkaline water could make the body alkaline which is patently false it's you know it's buffered in the stomach so if you have a choice and you want to drink you know the best water a reverse osmosis filter that then adds hydrogen to the water is arguably, you know, the best water ounce for ounce you can put in the human body. There's a whole class of bacteria in our gut called hydrophiles. And, you know, it increases the absorption of nutrients. It increases the absorption of your supplements. It actually does have electrons to donate. So it can actually change the pH of the environment that it's in.

Wow, that's crazy, because I drank alkaline water for years, so it had no health benefits? Well, it's not that it doesn't have any health benefits, it's just that it's not gonna make your, you're not getting the alkaline benefit. I mean, the fact that it's alkaline means it was probably filtered,

so it doesn't have fluoride, doesn't have chlorine, very likely doesn't have microplastics and some of the other things that are in pharmaceuticals that are in water so from that standpoint it's excellent and you know the filter water is much better than tap water in fact tap water is probably those one of the top three things that i think people should permanently get out of their life really right if they take nothing else from this podcast today um other than the fact that you should permanently stop drinking tap water that will change the trajectory of my friends get it at restaurants and I

don't want to be that guy but I gotta tell them sometimes yeah you're like just get the bottled water please yeah it's the fluoride mainly that's the concern there yeah it's the fluoride I mean I I did a big expose on fluoride but you know essentially one of the largest studies ever published recently was actually extracted from the CDC after a lawsuit. And they made public the municipal water quality study, which essentially I think they studied 35 or 3600 different municipalities in the United States and they found a direct inverse correlation between

The increase of fluoride in the water and the decrease in IQ. Whoa Especially in prepubescent teens. That's crazy. So for children, it's even more devastating because the developmental cycle of the brain You know, the brains are really neuroplastic in those young prepubescent years. And fluoride's a neurotoxin. And now they're even challenging the, you know, the premise that it prevents tooth decay because of the very, very micro-thin layer of protection that it gives to enamel. But if the trade-off is that you've got to take a neurotoxin to prevent tooth decay, it's not, that's not a really a reasonable it's not worth the trade-off so what do you guys use to brush your teeth um we use we we have a filtration system in the house so it filters all the water in the house um or we'll use there's under the counter filtration systems that you can use i mean brushing your teeth um you can get a non-fluoride

toothpaste too right you usually go with some sort of organic version because we're not doing crest or any of that in the colgate anymore right i mean fluorophine toothpaste are excellent for brushing your teeth but um you know the little bit of tap water that you would probably not ingest and spit out to brush your teeth isn't isn't the isn't the risk it's the heavy amount of ingestion if you look on the back of most toothpaste labels that contain fluoride right on the label it says if you swallow it to contact poison control. And the amount that you swallow is a fraction of the amount of fluoride that you would ingest

in a day's worth of six, eight ounce glasses of water in a day. But they don't tell you to call poison control at the end of the day if you drink tap water. No. They don't tell you to call poison control if you swallow fluoride. That's scary. Will normal filters filter out the fluoride?

If it's a fluoride filter. I mean, that's usually the first thing they filter out is fluoride, chlorine. And then depending on the microns in the filter, you get down to everything else. Microplastics, it takes a very good filter to filter out the pharmaceutical compounds. But reverse osmosis ro filter is

excellent for that they're usually four stages to that so by the time the waters pass through those four stages you know it's pretty pretty clean and i talk about this a lot it's it's there's so much fear-mongering i think out there on social media that you have to be careful just to say this is going to you and that's going to be and this is neurotoxin and that's a carcinogen. But the truth is simple changes make demonstrative shifts in the trajectory of your life. And one of them is getting tap water out of your life. Yeah. It's so crazy though,

because everyone drank it growing up. Right. Literally everyone. It was normal. Why would you think it was something that the city provides? Why would you think that it wasn't okay for you to drink? Of course you think it's okay. You know, you can't make a direct causal link, right?

Like we can't directly link to autism. We can't link it to autism in certain cases, but the rise in autism. But if you look at like the progression of chronic disease, one of them is autism, you know, in the sixties, one in 5,000 children had autism. Right.

I mean, I was born in 1970. She was born in 1978. What's my birthday? Ooh, nine years together, Sean. And this,

he's going to get it now, but only because we had this conversation and he bar. And he sent it to someone. I actually texted. We're getting some testing done. Nine years. I texted her her birth date, and the only thing I got right was the day. I actually got the month and the year wrong. So she was born on June 18th, 1978.

Oh, my God. July. Oh, July. I put June in. It was supposed to be July. You just said June. Did I say June? You said June.

Can we cut that out? Can we back it up a little bit? We could cut it. Oh, dude. You can make up for it. The smartest man I've ever met. And also, yeah, the dentist. Do you know why?

Because I'm clinically photographic. Now all I can see is 0618. I saw the one that cut right down, 0618. And then it says 2023. I know that's right. You think? I think you're more than 23. All right.

If you get the anniversary date, they'll make up for it. Oh, God. He's never going to get that either. February 3rd. Fifth. What year what year john you're never coming on this podcast again knew i shouldn't come oh man knew this was a bad idea moving on moving on to biohacking to biohackingacking. Let's move on to 5G towers. Oh, 5G towers.

That's a fun topic, right? Yeah. You know, there's a really great website called antennasearch.com. You can go to antennasearch.com if you're listening to this, and you can put in your zip code, and it will tell you how many 5G towers, Wi-Fi towers are within a radius of where you are located that could interfere with cellular energy. You know, if you look at now the study of frequency medicine, I mean, we know that the body is just a giant ball of frequency, right? Emotional states have direct impact on cellular function.

You know, the surface of our cells communicate with their outside environment through frequency. And I don't think that the final shoe is dropped on 5g and this is another one that I tell people you know use your phone on speakerphone get a corded headset now some of these headsets are so powerful with RF frequency going through the brain because they don't just communicate with the phone they actually communicate with each other you know if you've ever used an iPhone ear pod you know if you take one out it shuts off but i mean

it it's not doing that through the communication with the phone it's doing that with the communication through the brain right so there and and now you can be 300 feet from your phone so the amount of our frequency at that distance is very very very powerful so you know my preference for you know to protect yourself against 5Gs, just get a corded headset. Use your phone on speakerphone as much as possible. I mean France just banned the latest version of the iPhone. I think iPhone is making some adjustments to that. Some countries just banned some iPhone models I saw too.

Yeah, France was the first one to ban the latest version of the iPhone because of the amount of EMF frequency coming out of it. Nuts. It's mind-numbing if you go right into the settings of your phone and you go to you go to settings general um and and then there's and then there's another drop down i can't recall what it is but um it will it will actually show you and warn you not to put the phone to your head um it says that it was tested um 10 to 12 inches from the body and they recommend using it 10 to 12 was tested 10 to 12 inches from the body. And they recommend using it 10 to 12 inches.

Well, 10 to 12 inches, you have to be on speakerphone or a recorded headset to do that. Wow. So what exactly is it doing, the radiation doing to the body? So if you think about frequency in general, so there's a concept in physics. There's a law in physics. It's called constructive interference. It says that if two frequencies of equal wavelength meet, the size of the frequency doubles. And then there's an opposite law in physics that's called destructive interference.

It says that two frequencies of opposite wavelength meet, they cancel out. So if you match the frequency of a cell, you can either amplify its activity or you can cancel its activity when you start to cancel the activity of a cell like what's called the ion channel which is if you think of a cell as a kind of like a tennis ball and it actually has a membrane that's protecting it and it's two layers so called a phospholipid bilayer, bi being two, there's an outside layer and an inside layer. So things leave the cell and enter the cell through these channels, right? They're little ports, they're called ion channels.

And so for something to enter a cell or leave a cell to eliminate waste, repair, detoxify, regenerate, these ion channels have to be functioning perfectly. 5G frequency matches the frequency of some of these ion channels. That's the best way that I can explain it. So now you're interrupting cellular respiration. You're interrupting cellular activity,

meaning you're impeding that cell's capacity to eliminate waste, repair, detoxify, regenerate, to divide. And when you do that, especially in the proximity of where you hold the phone, and then you see things like trigeminal neuralgias in one of the cranial nerves, you see an increased risk for all forms of brain cancer. There's been a parabolic rise in brain cancer. Some people directly relate it to cell phone usage.

Yeah, I didn't know that. In 10 years, we're going to look back 10, 20 years and go, what in the – why did we do this? Yeah, we really moved on that. And we're going to go back to like rotary phones with the – No, I mean, again – Landline options. You don't want to fear monger, but the truth is if you can use a speakerphone

or a corded headset, you can significantly mitigate your risk. Yeah, and I just bought this anti-EMF chip too. Have youemf chip too have you seen these yeah we have that's actually a really good one that's a company that um is that life wave yeah it was like 60 bucks i think yeah um that's actually one where i read i'm not saying the other ones don't work but i read all of the clinical data on that and the clinical studies and it's really interesting that scatter technology yeah it really works and it diffuses the um the emf not only when you're on a call but all the time. You said I can sleep next to it now too. Yeah.

You can sleep next to it now. Yeah. I've read too that it has a lot to do with sperm count, that men's sperm count is going lower because it's affecting their fertility because if you put it in your front pocket, that it's better to keep it in your back pocket. that also true yeah well follicular cells and so if you think of the testicles kind of like a yin and yang symbol um you know one side produces sperm and those are governed by what's called follicular follicular cells and then the other side produces

luteal cells that produce testosterone so the same organ produces testosterone and and sperm and the spermatogenesis this production of sperm and something called meiosis that the division of cells and cells specifically in the testicles are highly highly highly susceptible to radiation to frequency so when we carry them in our pocket you know next to our gro in our pocket, you know, next to our groin, we're actually, you know,

directing that radiation to our scrotum, which can be, have a negative effect on sperm. Wow. What about females? If we put it near our, you know, that's interesting.

I don't know that I've, I've actually read a study on that. So I'd like to quote peer reviewed data rather than just give my opinion. So I'm really not smart. Otherwise you'll get lambasted for it. I get lambasted anyway, so. What have you guys been seeing with this testosterone epidemic almost?

It's dropping every year. Have you guys been seeing those results with all the tests you're seeing? A lot of young guys in their 20s, shockingly. Yeah, in their 20s? In their 20s. Well, again, you think about the amount of assault that our bodies take on a daily basis just

micro poisoning um pesticides herbicides insecticides gmo foods i'm uh you know i said if people could do one thing when they leave this podcast stop drinking tap water if they could do two things we'll be at we'll be at six by of it. But if they could do two things, my second recommendation would be to stop eating GMO foods. The science is absolutely crystal clear now. You look at 2009 when we really started the promulgation of genetically modified foods on a massive scale. The studies were coming out saying this should be investigated. There are animal model indications that this can have a negative effect on cellular metabolism and specifically on your DNA. And by 2013, the studies were moving into human beings and they were saying,

well, they're actually getting worse in human beings. There's actually some evidence that it has a negative effect on your immune system on sperm counts in men and women and and then by 2023 I've been pushing some of these studies out um the evidence is crystal clear that GMO foods are a disaster for human beings because they did modified the seed this genetically modified seed they modified the seed this genetically modified seed um they modified the seed to be resistant to glyphosate glyphosate and glyphosate is a is an insecticide and they realized when they were spraying the plants that it was also seed and that's not good i mean you want to keep the insects and not the seed right and so they genetically modified the seed to be

resistant to glyphosate but But when you genetically modify something, very often the body doesn't recognize it. It's like a piece of plastic. It doesn't have an enzyme to break it down. Largely the way that our body metabolizes things that enter our body or takes things and gets rid of waste is called a Lock and Key method. So for every nutrient, there's an enzyme

and these two kind of meet like the missing pie slice from a Pac-Man, right? Fits and now there's a chemical reaction. But when you put things into the body that the body doesn't have an enzyme for, it doesn't recognize it. It's a non-metabolite, like a genetically modified food. Then not only are you not extracting nutrients from it,

so you're not actually getting any nutrition, there's evidence now that these genetically modified foods can actually alter the human genome and make us less, and make us resistant to antibiotics. If you'd like, if you'll remind me, I'll actually put that study link in the podcast. Yeah, let's link it so people can't deny it.

Oh, yeah, because they'll deny it. We got a lot of hate for that fruit one. Oh, I know. I got a lot of hate. I should publish the fruit one. That was EWG published that, you know, where they – that one went really viral. And, you know, essentially what they did was they put non-organic, I said inorganic, so let me correct that by saying non-organic fruit in a commercial press.

And they measured the pesticide level of the juice from the non-organic fruit. And they realized that the pesticide content was high enough that they could actually take that juice and respray the crop. Now whether they did or not, I don't know, but the point is that the amount of pesticide in non-organic fruit was so high they could respray the crop. I mean, that's just a fact.

That's scary. That's scary. That's why I said the idea there is to just try to eat organic fruits. Fruits absorb nutrients through their skin. They draw it into the fruit. And then it makes sense that if you liquefy that, that you still get the pesticide content.

You know, it's like when we blend fruits, right? In some cases, you quadruple the glycemic index. So the difference between eating a banana and blending a banana is it raises your blood sugar at four times the rate oh if you drink it if you drink it if you blow up so that's why you always tell me not to add bananas to my shake yeah it tastes so good for that matter just drink the shake eat the berries drink the shake eat the banana yeah but to blend the banana you're you're going to skyrocket your sugar and a lot of times it's actually it's not the sugar itself. It's the rate at which it raises your blood sugar. So the glycemic index is kind

of a measure of how fast does this have an effect on blood sugar? So, you know, a blended banana will raise your blood sugar faster than a teaspoon of straight table sugar. What about my banana bread? I'm just kidding. That's the best. But I saw a clip, you don't eat white rice because the high GI right right so you don't eat sushi or anything I mean I I eat sashimi so she mom and once I'll have a piece of rice with it um but rice is pretty high on it you gave it up to white rice pretty much yeah unless I know for sure it doesn't have folic acid in it. Because otherwise it'll just keep me up at night. My brain will just spin out. Yeah. So what do you see keeping people up at night? A lot of people struggle sleeping. Is that mainly diet? Yes,

very much diet related. So if you have an MTHFR gene, which we've talked about before, you are basically allergic. You cannot convert folic acid into 5-methylfolate. So you just have to go to 5-methylfolate. But the problem is that rice, breads, pastas, you know, crackers, cookies, all the good stuff, all the carbs, most of them, if they're not organic or imported, have been sprayed with folic acid. Yeah. And we call it fortified or enriched. Yeah. So cereal, Cheerios cereal has got, you know, it's enhanced with folic acid. And we call it fortified or enriched. Yeah, so cereal, Cheerios cereal has got,

it's enhanced with vitamins and minerals, but not everybody can process those vitamins and cheap minerals. Yeah. I remember when I got my results back and I had that, I used to get sick a lot, like monthly. And it was all because I was eating those foods, I think. I haven't been sick since we last met.

That's awesome, man. Love it. Yeah, it's been nine months I haven't been sick since we last met. Dude, that's awesome, man. Love it. Yeah, it's been nine months, haven't been sick. Amazing. That's crazy. I mean, it's not at all surprising, but. We're actually writing a book about it right now. Yeah. All about just people's stories like that.

And I sent out, I'll actually send you a list of questions if you want to participate. Yeah. Sent out a list to, you know, 50 patients of ours and just said, hey, would you mind sharing your story? I know you had a great experience with the genetic test and getting on the right protocol and changing your diet. Would you mind contributing to the story?

And I've been in tears all weekend. Wow. She really has. I really have. She's showing me these stories and like, oh my gosh. It's like a whole new level. You guys are changing millions of lives. Of inspiration.

It feels so good. It does, yeah. And kids, like teaching their kids how to make better food choices. One story was about a kid who, you know, these twin girls, they go to a soccer game and they're offered pizza and cookies. And they were like, no, we're good. The last time we ate pizza and cookies, then we couldn't play the game because they were so like weighed down and their minds couldn't focus

and they didn't have any energy. It sucked the life out of them. So I love that then the next game that they went to, they were like, no, we'll just get some orange slices. These are nine year olds, like making good decisions. You don't know better at that age. You're just eating whatever your parents give you. Exactly.

You're eating what your parents give you. And if you think of a standard American diet, like what do we feed kids before they go off to school? Pop-Tarts, white bagels, cereal. And when you think of a standard American diet, like what do we feed kids before they go off to school? Pop-Tarts, white bagels, cereal. And when you're pulling this stuff off the grocery shelf, if you're unaware, it says, well, this is fortified bleached white flour, or it's enriched whole grains.

And the terms fortified or enriched just means- They sound good. Yeah, they sound great. If you're a parent and something was fortified and something wasn't, you'd probably the fortified right or the enriched version because it sounds like maybe they added something really good to it but the truth is it just means it's sprayed with full of gas and a lot of children 44 of them can't metabolize that so it just makes their little minds race and then parents are like why is it a full contact support to get my kid in the car

to go school um and you know then the school's calling home and meltdowns little johnny can't pay attention he doesn't follow directions he doesn't complete assignments and he's disruptive so they want to bring in the ritalin to kind of solve those issues really if you strip folic acid out of their diet um which by the way is he an entirely man-made chemical let's just be clear you can't find folic acid anywhere on the surface of the earth, right? It does not occur naturally in nature. Contrary to popular belief, folate does, but folic acid doesn't. And if you just switch up those food sources, so a lot of times it's not just about the

fear-mongering of cereal's going to kill you, bagels are going to kill you, Pop-Tarts are going to kill you. If you get the organic version of those or the non non-fortified non-enriched versions why people can go to italy and have a bowl of pasta you can walk down the champs-elysees in paris and and eat a baguette and you don't feel like but right because um because it's not well first of all it's not laden with seed oils but it also is not sprayed with folic acid and um, you know, over there in Europe, they have something called day old bread. It's because at the end of the day, it's no longer good. It starts to harden.

It's 50% off. I mean, here you could put a loaf of white bread on the counter and eat it in 30 days. Mmm, wonder bread. Gross. So, I mean, that right there should tell you that it's got stuff in it that's very unnatural. How many meals per day are you guys eating? Two. Two?

I usually eat my first meal at noon, my last meal by six o'clock. So you're intermittent fasting? Mm-hmm. Nice. During that time. And just a quick bout on intermittent fasting. Intermittent fasting is not for everybody.

Right. It's for people that have, yeah. I mean, some of the worst endocrine disasters we've ever seen are in young females with a very tight feeding window because it can really affect their menstrual cycle. And at different times during the month, because of their hormonal cycle,

their follicular, the ovulation, the luteal, it's not good for them to intermittent fast. It actually causes the pituitary to believe that the body is starving and throttle back their metabolism. And so I tell people that are considering intermittent fasting, if they really want to find out if it's good for them, do a quick blood test. Look at something called your hemoglobin A1c. It's a fancy way of saying the three-month average of your blood sugar. If it's high, then you're a candidate for intermittent fasting, especially if you have high insulin.

If it's very, very low, if you are on average hypoglycemic, meaning you're on average, your hemoglobin A1c is 5.1 or less, you are definitely not a candidate for intermittent fasting. You'll slow your metabolism way way way down and for young females menstruating females thought it could be an endocrine disaster and that's where we recommend people wake up have a protein shake even if you're not a morning eater like i'm not a morning eater but i have to have a protein shake in the morning yeah um right yes yeah i'm correct on that. And then, and I'll have a protein shake and I'll put collagen in my coffee. And so I at least have like 20, 30 grams of protein in the

morning. Nice. And then that gets me to noon or one when I'm kind of more like hungry. I'm just, don't wake up hungry. Yeah. I see a lot of debate about how many grams of protein and the best proteins you should be eating. Have you seen any studies on this? Oh, no question. I'm gonna get a lot of flack for this. Every clinical study that I have ever read, hands down animal protein beats plant-based protein for performance, that I've read. And if somebody has a study they'd like me to consider, I'd be more than happy to read it. I'm

not taking an opinion on that. That's just based on, on, on what I've read. Whey protein outperforms plant-based proteins, um, in athletic performance. But the, the issue again is, um, not whether you're vegan, vegetarian, carnivore, keto, paleo, um, raw food, what have you. It's the, it's the distance from the food to the table. It's the distance from the food to the table. It's the quality of the food source. I mean, some of the sickest clients we've ever had have been raw food vegans. Some of the sickest clients we've ever had

have been meaties. Every time. Well, I've seen more vegans. Well, way, way more vegans. But, and it's not to attack the vegan lifestyle or to attack the vegan diet. It's that, you know, vegans can have beer, they can have pasta, they can have rice, they can have bread, they can, they can have all kinds of, of things that other

diets would omit, lots of grains. And these are places where you find very, very high levels of pesticides, herbicides, insecticides and preservatives. And folic acid. And folic acid. And so. So then their guts are all messed up or their brains are spinning out. Yeah.

And they don't realize why. The only person I've seen it done right is Brian Johnson. Yeah. He's like the only vegan I know that pulled it off. Yeah. And if you look at Brian Johnson, I mean, they, they, Brian Johnson's done something that's virtually impossible to do. And he's removed himself from the equation.

Right. I mean, so Brian Johnson does not decide what he eats, what he drinks, what he supplements with, when he goes to bed, when he wakes up, nothing. He has completely removed personal choice from his regimen. Everything is dictated by data. And so his supplements have to fight for their life to make it into his supplement routine.

111 supplements. Yeah. I think that's too many. It's crazy. Personally. I was up to like 40 and I was like, this is too much. 40 is 111 supplements. Yeah. I think that's too many. It's crazy. Personally. Yeah. I was up to like 40 and I was like, this is too much.

40 is a lot too. Yeah. But see, that's where our argument is that people are supplementing just for the sake of supplementing. Right. Not necessarily because

those 40 capsules are what you actually need. Yeah. So if you get a good roadmap by doing the blood and genetics, you really can narrow it down to what your body actually requires. I'm a big believer in supplementing for deficiency, not just the sake of supplementing. So if you have

a deficiency and you know that, then supplementing for deficiency is when real magic happens in the human body, right? I mean, human beings, most of us are not thriving because we're deficient in certain raw materials, not because we have some kind of pathology or disease. You know disease you know in fact most people probably most of the people listening to this podcast are walking around right now at about 60 percent of their true state of normal it's like you used to get you know sick i had a bunch of deficiencies yeah and um so once you once you fix those deficiencies now you just take those little anchors off your stern. You just pull them up, right? I mean, so now you're not getting sick as often. And so many people listening to this either have brain fog or weight gain or whatever tension or poor sleep or lack of focus and concentration

or poor short-term recall or no waking energy. And they just chalked it up to a consequence of aging. They just said that's a consequence of aging. The biggest response I got back is that people thought, oh, well, I'm in my 40s, I'm in my 50s. This is how you're supposed to feel. Right. Including one of our friends who's a doctor.

Wow. He even was like, I thought this was normal. I figured I couldn't focus at work. I had symptoms of ADHD. I just had brain fog. I thought it was just because I turned 51. Yeah. Look what you guys did to Dana White.

Yeah. He has a six pack now. Yeah. And he's on no medication. Yeah. Crazy. He used to be like, what, 30% body fat? Yeah.

30% body fat. Very heavy. And it's all, these are real stories from real people. And I just love it. I love, you know, hearing back from people that I knew they felt good, but hearing the details of how they feel and how we've really changed their lives with simple stuff. Yeah. I mean, it's not expensive.

No, it's not that complicated. It's not that complicated. You take a blood test and then fix the deficiency. You take a blood test and a genetic test and the genetic test you do once in your life. Right. Like that is an absolute must. I mean, because you do that test once in your life and you'll never guess again on what your body's deficient in.

Well, here's a sad story too. I was communicating with a guy on Instagram and last year he watched enough of our videos and things and got the gene test done. Then he was feeling great. So I didn't really hear from him for a year, except for every once in a while, he'd pipe up and say he felt good.

And then all of a sudden he was texting me like mad saying he was having two panic attacks a day i was like okay this is something that you knew that you just put in your started putting in your body otherwise this doesn't make any sense so i was like tell me send me pictures of everything you're taking and tell me what your diet is so he sent the diet stuff over he was spot on he was following all the rules and regulations that we would put in his diet protocol but then he sent me photos of his stuff and the multivitamin that we had put together for him that was working for a year well he ran out and got lazy didn't reorder it he just went to walmart and he picked up a normal multivitamin from there and it had b12 that he can't have he's basically allergic to cyanocobalamin, the synthetic form of B12

that they put in so many multivitamins. And he was taking that for two weeks, having two panic attacks a day, and suicidal thoughts. Just from a multivitamin? From a multivitamin. It was the B12 in it was 104,000% of his daily dose of B12.

So I remember on your podcast, the first one I did, I got lambasted for saying, and then all of a sudden you take all these different things and can add up to 100% of your daily dose of B12. His was one 25 milligram B12 capsule, 104,000%. And he's like, oh my God, I had no idea that that could make such a difference. And I was like, okay, go back to your notes, go to your paperwork that we talked about. And he's like, oh my God, I had no idea that that could make such a difference. And I was like, okay, go back to your notes, go to your paperwork that we talked about. And he understood. And he immediately threw it in the trash and reordered his supplements.

And then he was fine. And he just literally said that I helped save his life. I mean, stuff like that just makes me. Wow. That's incredible. And there's a lot of people out there taking multivitamins. I probably have no idea. No idea.

Yeah. Poppin' syndromes. And a lot more are absorbable and they use the cyanide-based form of b12 and they use you know folic acid which is another you'll never convince me that a nutrient that we make in a laboratory that we synthesize in a laboratory that you couldn't even find on the surface of the earth before the mid-90s is somehow the key to optimal health yeah right um because you know chemicals synthetics pharmaceuticals are rarely if ever the key to being optimal they may be the key to an acute

issue that you're facing at that moment inflammatory issue or what have you but they're not the key to longevity it's like like when you laugh about the random berry that's found in the Amazon. Oh, the new superfood? Yeah, the new superfood. The newest thing. Only one company's patented it. I remember growing up, they said kale was a superfood,

and now they just found out it's not even that good for you. Oh, no. That's terrible. I didn't know that. My daughter's really disappointed. Kale and a lot of the vegetables with oxalates in them. Because vegetables are trying to protect themselves from predators too. I mean, just because they don't have teeth and claws

doesn't mean that they actually don't have mechanisms to protect themselves. And animals learn over time that if you eat that, you will not digest it, and that's going to be very bad. You know, the first time Alina ever ate kale, she was four years old, my daughter, and she loved it so much. She doesn't really like fruit, but she loves vegetables. She's just a total opposite kid. And she wolfed down a whole thing of kale,

like a whole stalk of it, and broke out in hives. For the first time, she had never had an allergic reaction to anything. And they told me it was because it was a superfood, and it was like too overwhelming for my little body. That's funny. It's the best. So maybe that's just BS, but she can eat it now.

She's been fine ever since. I'm like, just don't eat a whole bushel of it. Yeah. But I used to dominate those kale chips and I used to think it was healthy. Yeah. They're not. Yeah.

They're not. Yeah. The funny thing is most of those kale chips are fried in seed oils. Yeah. You look at them, they're like, it says palm oil or canola oil or palm kernel oil. Sunflower. Make it sound healthy. I got censored all over Instagram for talking about seed oils.

And I never really said that seed oils were bad. What I said was industrial processed seed oils were bad. Right. If you take a canola plant and you put it in commercial press and it comes out gummy, and then you degum it with hexane, which is a known neurotoxin, and then you take that hexane degummed oil and you heat it to 405 degrees, which turns it rancid, putrefies it. And then you deodorize that rancid oil with sodium hydroxide,

which is a very well-known carcinogen. And then in some cases, take the deodorized, rancid, cytotoxic seed oil and then bleach it with chlorine. Yeah. And then bottle it and then put it on the shelf. Now that's terrible for you. Yeah. And I'd be happy to debate the fact checker that said that seed oils are good. You got a fact check on that?

I got a fact check. Somebody is going to say you're wrong. You know my Instagram right now, it's got a little cloud over it, and it says false information. checker that said that seed oils are not bad for human beings. I go, what fact checker? Like, where is this person? I mean, they got money to just throw stuff at you. Those big food companies. Yeah. The funniest one was i got fact checked for um i i got cited for false information by the the cdc site that i took the you got the clip from yeah because i was so afraid of it being censored i cut it i and then i just pasted it on instagram that's it i didn't even write a narrative i just cut it and pasted it and then it was like what false information?

Sage got one higher level than that. We couldn't even see one of our videos, I think. Yep. You have to say, I want to watch this, right? Yeah, you have to say you want to watch it. I think that one had to do with the B12 we were talking about. Oh, no, no. It was the folic acid one. It was about breads. Oh, breads, yeah. She went after white bread. People were mad.

It's not all bread. Sourdough bread's great for you. Again, if you're listening to this podcast and you've traveled right especially to europe italy um and you and you've realized you know when i'm overseas i i feel better i ate pasta i ate um you know olive oil i mean you know i went to italy and i've eaten this small restaurant and i had a bowl full of pasta i had bread before before I had dinner at red wine. I had sounds amazing. Yeah. I wish I could do that here.

You know what I mean? I had olive oil and I felt freaking amazing. And then you go and you try to do the same thing here. You know, you walk out of Bucca di Pepe's or, you know, and you can't even get into your car. Do you think they'll ever fix it?

I see they're banning certain candies now and stuff. Yeah, red food dye in California. Some of the food dyes. I applaud California for that. Yeah, good job, California. Yeah, who would have thought Cali would have been the state to do it? It doesn't surprise me. Cali does ban a lot of stuff.

Oh, really? They finally banned something that makes sense. Okay. Well, they banned peptides, and now it's like the FDA. Oh, they banned peptides? And injectable glutathione, which makes me laugh. Oh, they are good. They're good for you.

So why did they ban peptides? They banned a huge class of peptides recently for, not for safety concerns or not because of reports of actual harm or injury, but because of a, you know, quote unquote, lack of safety data. And, you know, peptides are amino acid sequences. And the ones under 44 chains are considered extraordinarily safe I don't know that there's you know incidences of people like showing up in the ER because they took a peptide like a BBC 157 or growth hormone peptide or any number of other peptides that people use for weight loss

like a OD 9604 or mozzie and and yet they just came out and banned them, not because of safety concerns, but because of a lack of safety data. I've heard great things about them. Peptides are amazing. BPC-157 is a healing peptide. It can seal the inner lining of the gut. So for somebody that has a lot of gut problems,

we usually, that's part of their protocol. And then it also can help heal if you've just had surgery or you have a joint issue or muscle tear or a number of things. And so we have a lot of patients that take BPC-157, including myself, including my daughter after she injured herself playing lacrosse. It's perfectly safe. They banned it. So they banned those, but you could get. Yeah.

And painkillers. Painkillers, opioids yeah you can definitely get narcotics anti-psychotics all about those and another concern all your kid yeah right another concerning thing i've seen you talk about is misdiagnosis is yeah yeah and it's the third leading cause of death in america yeah i mean in 2016 there was a harvard study uh done i think they actually i think the study was initially commissioned for Medicare and Medicaid because they wanted to see, you know, what are the leading causes of mortality? And, you know, what can we do to curtail some of these diseases?

And they realized that medical error was actually the third leading cause of death or what we call iatrogenic illness. And it's one thing when you realize well modern medicine and medical error the third leading cause of death but they're the third leading cause of death in the industry designed to prevent death like like if you switch that to any other industry it'd be laughable yeah right i mean like if you had a you know your podcast was the third leading cause of career failure you're like hey do you guys want to come on and listen to my success you know

you know two-thirds of the time people go bankrupt immediately after my podcast i don't think people will be lining up right if we applied it to any other industry if you sold security systems and said hey but i'm the third leading cause of home invasion. But when you think that modern medicine more people than morbid obesity and diabetes combined, only cardiovascular disease and cancer people than medical error, then you realize that we're really good at crisis prevention.

We're not very good at bio-optimization. And I hate to come in and just attack Big Pharma and attack the medical community because 99% of doctors got into medicine to help people and they're doing a great job. And Big Pharma actually does a lot of good for us too. But in the effort to make a profit, you're not in the business of losing clients.

It's not aligned. So it's very, yeah, it's not aligned. You know, if you owned an airline, you wouldn't invest in a marketing campaign to sell fewer seats. So you're not likely going to invest in something that's going to cause you to lose a client, which means that you cure their disease,

which is why the majority of clinical trials are designed to manage disease. I mean, if you look at diabetes in the United States alone, it's $110 billion annual industry. How about cancer? I know that there has to be better cures for cancer, but they're not going to go advertise that. They've been trying to find a cure for forever. Yeah. There's definitely cures.

There's definitely more natural ways right to do it i think and i'm and i'm not going to speak on it because i don't know those ways but i just know there's got to be better things out there than just yeah chemo and radiation that just basically almost take you to death before it brings you back alive and you got to pay six figures for that oh at least yeah it's crazy yeah and you have to follow the protocol because if you don't have the money to go outside of the sequence that's prescribed to you you have no choice but um so you know you can't you you you're not eligible for certain medication until you've taken a sequence of of steps and that sequence of steps very often can. And again, it's not to say that oncologists are out there trying to harm the public.

I don't think that that's true at all. I don't think there's any sinister motive in the medical community, but the way that medicine is designed, it's really not designed to get rid of disease. It's really designed to manage disease. Band-aid solutions. Very good at disease management.

And if you can get somebody to subscribe to the fact that they have a disease, you can get them to subscribe to a lifetime of medication. I mean, most even antidepressants were originally designed to be prescribed for 90 days or less. We talk to people all the time that are on them for 15 or 18 years. Jeez. I mean, my first question is always, when did you think it was going to kick in? When did you think it was going to work? It's terrible. You're 18.

You're like, okay, let's give it another two years, and then things should sort of level out, right? That's scary. Are there any countries you think have a good health system, like they're doing it right? Well, a lot of countries that actually have. So if you think about the United States, we're the number one spender worldwide in healthcare. We spend trillions of dollars more than any other country. We're ranked 52nd in the world in terms of our quality of care.

We're ranked 39th in the world for life expectancy. So we know that healthcare spending doesn't correlate to life expectancy and it doesn't correlate to optimal health. If you look at our rates of obesity, cardiovascular disease, cancer, and what we would call mental illness, ADD, ADHD, OCD, manic depression, bipolar, autism,

we have skyrocketing rates of these conditions. I mean, autism in the 60s was one in 5,000 children. Now it's one in 32 children. You serious? Oh yeah, that's what we were talking about before the birthday thing. We did not have friends that were autistic. There was no one in any of my schools growing up.

In the entire school? Not in the entire school. Wow. And now I remember kids that had Down syndrome, but definitely not autism. Right. And hopefully nobody sees this and goes, Sage, why don't you remember so-and-so? If you're an eighth grade kid today, you probably have, you know, half a dozen kids with autism. That's crazy.

Depending on where they are on the spectrum. And those neuroinflammatory diseases come from all kinds of things. Now there's whole classrooms, my daughter said, just dedicated to kids. To autism? That have severe autism. Oh my gosh. It's sad. That's crazy. There's got to be a better way.

Yeah. Because at this rate, it's got to be a better way. Yeah. Because at this rate, it's going to be even higher percentages every year. Well, I mean, if you think about the rate that it had to compound to get there, I mean, first it was one in 5,000, one in 2,500, then one in 1,000, then one in 100, and I think the 2016 numbers. It's like one in 32, I think. You have a 3% chance now if you have a kid that they'll be born with autism. Yeah.

And more in boys than girls. Interesting. I don't know'll be born with autism yeah and more in boys than girls i don't know why that is yeah more in boys than girls and i don't know there's i i still think it a lot of it stems back to okay my daughter she had all her when she was little i did space him out and i think i told him not to throw in a couple right but it is like a third now she had a third of what they recommend now. She's 15. So 15 years ago, there were way, way, way less acquired. Now it's up in the 70s. I don't remember getting that many.

Yeah, there's 72 now. There's 72 now? 72, yes. All the recommended meds. And she only had, those were in the 70s. 72, right? 72? Can you imagine? Just to go to school?

Yeah. Oh my God. And sometimes they're mandatory. And if you look at a lot of these, like she only had, she was in the 72. Just to go to school? Yeah. Oh my God. And sometimes you're mandatory. And if you look at a lot of these, like tetanus, I don't think that there's been a reported case of tetanus in an under three-year-old child that caused mortality that led to a death ever. I mean, most of these tetanus cases and the mortality from tetanus is in the 75

and older community, and one in 1,000 of those result in a death in the actual known cases. So in the informed consent, we should say, listen, no child's ever died of this, but we still want you to vaccinate your child before three years old for a condition that has no statistical risk of mortality seems seems kind of strange to me you know even when the tennis was just like you step on a rusty

nail i mean yeah well it is yeah but um so why would a baby need a tennis shot before they're three years old oh jesus yeah i don't know anyone that got that yeah yeah i don't know any well i do now i know parents that whose kids get these got I actually got suckered into one last year, but that was because we lost two homes in a hurricane and we were gutting. And there was just so much gross stuff that we were pulling out of these two houses, throwing it on the side of the road. And I got a little panicked and they were giving away free tetanus shots. And I,

Oh, you got one? Oh no. I got so freaked out. Well, he didn't tell me. This is, I blame him. Oh, you didn't give him a heads up? He didn't. I wish he didn't tell me. I blame him.

Oh, you didn't give him a heads up? He didn't. I wish he would have stopped me. I scared the shit out of him. Yeah, afterwards. That didn't do me any good. I'm going to die. I mean, I thought like the expectancy chart.

I was. I was worried. I was worried that I like had the rusty nail or something. Oh, no. That I had stepped in it. But now there's supplements you could take to treat the effects of it, right? Yeah. stepped in it but now there's supplements you could take to treat the effects from right yeah nanokinase bromelain thymulin um that will actually help to pull that spike protein um if you have it out of the out of the uh you know the lining of the blood vessel yeah because you know we used to use a lot of what was called attenuated viruses um which is where you take a

um a virus and it has a they call it an, it has a sort of a capsule around it, right? It has the DNA inside and they used to go in and extract more DNA so that the envelope of the virus was there, the nucleocapsid protein was there and you can put that into the body and it would solicit an immune response, but it wouldn't infect you.

And now we've progressed to mRNA, which are messenger RNA. and if you think about what messenger rna is it's kind of like if you went into the cell and you went into the nucleus of the cell and you found the dna which is the boss right it's the ceo um so the dna is sitting in there running the show and it basically has two functions it makes a perfect copy of itself right that's called replication. But it also sends instructions into the cell. So the DNA, the CEO is sitting in the nucleus of the cell,

writing instructions into the cytoplasm of the cell. And these instructions are called messenger RNA. And normally a messenger RNA degrades in just a few hours, a few minutes to a few hours. So if I'm thena and you guys are the minions in the cell i would write you i would say hey go make this uh protein you go throw this nutrient out you bring this nutrient in you go make that protein um so those mrna sequences are really important for cellular communication what we did when we created an mRNA vaccine was we created one from,

we created a synthetic copy of that message. The problem was we don't exactly know when that degrades, if ever. So now it's almost like an imposter stole the CEO's notepad and is writing instructions into the cell saying, hey, go make this protein. And then when you come back to your desk, go make this protein. You come back, go make this protein.

Go make the protein. Go make the protein. And that back, go make this protein. But it doesn't stop. Go make the protein. And that repeated message to make a spike protein causes a massive rise in spike protein in the body. And when this gets out of the cytoplasm of the blood, it goes into the endothelial lining of the blood vessel. Yeah. And we like to think that the skin

is the largest organ in the body. I think that the lining of the blood vessel is because if you look at the surface area of the skin, it's about half a tennis court. If you look at the surface area of the endothelial lining of your blood vessel, it's like six tennis courts, right? I mean, we have 63,000 miles of blood vessel in our body. So if you get an inflammatory condition in 63,000 miles of blood vessel, now nutrients can't leave the blood and into the tissue. Contents from the tissue can't leave the tissue waste and enter the blood.

And once you interrupt that blood brain barrier, this is where you start to have this strange myriad of symptoms, right? Trigeminal neuralgias, transverse myelitis, myocarditis, pericarditis. You get all kinds of inflammatory conditions. You get mood numbness. You get issues with female hormonal patterns.

And this is all because you've interrupted this exchange of nutrients between the blood and the tissue. And so stripping the spike protein out is a very, very positive thing. And I think there actually is a published study on the nanokinase, the bromelain and the thymulin, that you can use to absorb these spike proteins and actually drop your urine concentration of spike protein. So that's good news.

That's scary that it's doing that. People have no idea about that. Yeah. Yeah. And they're just getting massive brain fog. They're getting fatigue. They're getting weight gain. They're getting water retention.

They're getting strange muscle soreness. Or they'll be fine for a few days and then just have a day of just crushing fatigue. They get brain fog to the point where they just really can't think their way out of the house. Not just getting a great idea in the bedroom and walking to the kitchen and kind of wondering what the heck you're doing in the kitchen. They have processing issues. Yeah. I used to get brain fog and low energy. But then I got on the supplements and it all went away pretty much yeah non-stop working yeah that's awesome and i had no idea because that was my message we preached too is that i thought it was normal yeah

why did you think it was normal because i got used to it so i just thought it was normal to feel like that you know i'd wake up every morning kind of like not ready to go right and you know what's crazy is most people um even most people that are listening to this podcast they're walking around at about 60 of their true state of normal they have no idea how good normal can feel till you find that raw material that's missing from your body and replace it you have no idea how well things can function you know your gut health your your short-term recall, the anxiety that you have, the anxiousness, the sleeplessness. Most people that have sleep issues lay down body tired, but they can't go to sleep because their mind is awake. And they're laying there thinking about the most innocuous little thoughts. And they can't shut their mind off.

And then they're like, what the fuck am I thinking about my grocery list at two in the morning for? Yeah. Yeah, she's a- He's like snoring next to me, and I'm just definitely- Have you tried that? I take it back. He doesn't snore anymore.

I don't snore anymore. I used to before I started supplementing. Yeah, before he was supplementing. And then before I was supplementing too, I was just wide awake. I would deny him, and then she would video me. No, no, I'd just be wide awake,

like thinking about stupid stuff. And taking videotapes of me snoring. Yesore because he was making me and and then I would blame you that I couldn't fall asleep because of your snoring yeah that's relatable have you guys seen that mouth tape yeah I've used the hostage state hostage I just forget to I forget to put it on but the couple of times I've done it I had a positive impact in my HRV and I've actually looked up some studies. They might have been anecdotal, but looked up some studies that it actually has a very positive effect on increasing your HRV, your heart rate variability. If you give it to me, I'm happy to slap it on your mouth.

You only use it when you're sleeping, babe. You can't give it to me during the day. Oh, I thought it would help during the day, too. She loves the sound of hostage tape. Yeah, hostage tape sounds good. For her husband. It's a good name. What are your lifespan goals?

You want to hit a hundo? Oh, I'm already way over 100. He wants to go to 120. I have zero desire to go that high. Yeah? I'm trying to get her on board for 120. I'm not taking care of you. I am not taking care of you for 120. No, that's so many more years. I'm trying to get her on board for 120 because I don't want to be alone. I am not taking care of you

for 120. No. That's so many more years. I am not going back into the nightclub business. You worked in nightclubs? I mean going out into the nightclubs when I'm 110. Don't put me in that position, babe. Dude, I'm not. Oh, you're the

nightclub girl. Okay. I see how it is. I have zero desire to i don't know my grandmother's lived like a wonderful life they they passed at 90 91 they were healthy up until then i'm secretly inching good like maybe 95 100 but okay that's higher than last time we spoke it was it was 80 before i believe no bigger than least 90. Okay. But I don't want to be, here's the thing. What I saw from them is that they were sad because even though they were healthy and living longer than, they were living longer than their friends. So every day it was like another funeral. And that made me sad.

Got it. And then they also got bored. They were just bored. They've done studies on that. When you retire, you kind of fail. I mean, if you look at a lot of the Blue Zone studies, and you'll see that sense of purpose, physical activity and sense of purpose were a big part of these Blue Zone studies.

In Sardinia, interestingly in Sardinia, which they actually eat a very high carbohydrate diet. There was a very small area, very concentrated area of these hypercentenarians, these centenarians in a very small area of Sardinia. They were all over Sardinia, but in one particular area, neighborhood, there was an exceptionally high number of centenarians. And they found the same link between other blue zones that they had this sense of purpose, even if it was just gardening, even if great grandma's idea was to just, you know, I mean, our purpose was just to get the vegetables for dinner that night. They went out into the garden, they got vegetables, they washed them, they prepared them for the family every night. You of the men were still making belts and belt buckles and shoes and things well into their hundreds.

But what I found fascinating was in Sardinia, the life expectancy over age 100 was directly correlated to the slope of the hill. Really? Because they walked to church and they walked to the market. Because they would walk up these 40-degree slopes and then go 10 blocks up to the slope of the hill really because they walked to church because they would walk up these 40 degree slopes and then go 10 blocks up to the church and then it goes six blocks down to the market and then they go over to their house there were no such thing as elevators in their houses yeah up and down the steps there's also no such thing as a city care system living facilities oh yeah so like assisted care over there is you take mom and dad back into the house and you care

for them until they pass right and so they had a real communal sense. They had a real sense of purpose. They had a reason that, you know, to be there, they felt like people needed them. And I've, I found it really fascinating because it's something we inherently know, but now there's some science behind the fact that once you feel like you don't have a purpose. If you're in an assisted care living facility and you're playing cards with Beverly, who you don't even know, her family doesn't come visit her, your family doesn't come visit you.

I see those videos on social media. Yeah, it's like, what's the purpose? To play bridge and do puzzles until God decides it's my time? No, I'm definitely gonna move my mom in because I don't want her to suffer like that in her final years. Yeah, I mean, I'm going through that

with my parents right now. My father's handicapped and perfectly good cognitive function my mom had bilateral knee replacements and i've seen the impact on her cognitive function and i've been very public about talking about it and i'm actually going to document my journey with her over the next few months because i know so many people who have parents that are suffering from the same thing and they're going through it right now and they don't know, well, what can I do to help my parents' cognitive function? So I'm going to lay out the peptide protocol

that I have for her, the longevity protocol that I have for her, and I'm just going to let people watch me go on this journey with my mom. Amazing. That's inspiring, man. Are you digging your heel into me for a reason? I don't mean to.

No, God no. I was just, well, I mean, you're snapping heel into me for a reason? I don't mean to. No, God, no. No, it's just, well, I mean, you're snapping my foot. That hurts. I'm so sorry. I'm just kidding. I will move over here. No, don't go away, babe. This is why I don't want to live to 120 with him.

Is this your guys' first episode together? Yeah. Wow. Wait, no. Well, I guess. We've done other ones. No, first when we've been interviewed together. Okay.

Yeah. Nice. Building that chemistry up. Yeah, you're building the chemistry. And you guys been interviewed together. Okay. Nice. Building that chemistry up. Yeah, you're building the chemistry. And you guys have your own show now. I want to end off there. Yeah, the Ultimate Human Podcast. I'm excited about it.

Yeah. I think it's going to be fun. Because there's going to be a lot of – there will be a lot of episodes with us discussing topics that people want to know about. Like we'll throw it out to the social media world. Like what questions do you have for us that we can answer? And we'll talk on different topics. I also want to share a lot of stuff about relationships and family and the things that people can relate to, show how silly we can be

and how we've made it work for nine years without him knowing my birthday. I have other redeeming qualities. Maybe you should list some of those. You're smart there's yes you are brilliant you make me laugh every day and you bring me coffee every morning and that is really the main reason that you're still around yeah i'll take that every day but yeah it drives me crazy i mean just like every couple can be driven crazy by the other. But at the end of the day, we've really worked hard to get to know one another.

And a lot of things have been improved by us getting our diets right. Diet and supplementation. It's crazy. The supplements were a huge part of our relationship. And actually there was a book that we read when we were building our business. Because we also built a business. We did everything you shouldn't do we built a house

together we raised a modern family you know some three my kids one of one daughter's hers um the whole family has now just gelled you know we have this amazing modern family her daughter's like a daughter to me and my kids are like her own. But anybody that says that you can build a business with your spouse and separate work from your private life is completely lying to you, right? You have a bad day at the office, you're having a bad day at home. Yeah, exactly. If you have a great day at the office, you're having a great day at home. Yeah, come at you guys. But we were able to navigate that.

And what really worked for us was we found out that um she's an integrator and i'm a visionary and when you're a visionary all you really care about is the vision and like all the cool things that you can do and all the cool neat ways that we can help people and all the like so many ideas the newest test and the newest thing that we should have and we can do this and we can do that and we can change the world and and then you have an integrator that's like very practical. Like, well, first of all, who's gonna buy this equipment? Second of all, who's gonna run it?

And third, how are we gonna implement this in our practice? He never wanted to hear that though. He just liked that he had 30 great ideas and he would get so mad at me when I'd say, you can pick three. I'm like, you're negative, Nancy. Three ideas is something I can work with. You need someone like that though

but we we read a book called rocket fuel okay um who's the author of that um please don't ask me that i haven't heard that one rocket fuel it's great it has an orange it's called rocket fuel but if you're a couple and you're in business together this is a great book i gotta get that it really helped me understand that all of my great ideas and all of this vision was worthless without somebody to implement it. And it also helped me understand that if we didn't have all these great ideas and this vision, that I had nothing to implement.

There was nothing, I didn't have a job if he didn't have these great ideas. Because I wasn't coming up with it on my own. So we had to learn to appreciate each other that way instead of being resentful at one another. And then we really had to learn who, this is my lane and this is your lane and please stay out of my lane and I'll stay out of your lane. We respect it. And we really, that changed our relationship tremendously. That's when things took off for the company and for our relationship and for our family and for the level of patient satisfaction

in our patient community. You know, we went from- That was a great book and that combined with us figuring out the methylation piece and getting him on the vitamins to calm him down a little bit, getting on the vitamins to calm me down a little bit. I mean, it really is like a personality test

and it helped us understand each other in that way as well. I mean, it's like the tension just came right out of the blue. It's amazing. And we can tell if the other one has not had their vitamins. She says to me every day, she's like, have you had your vitamins?

I just hold them out and I'm like, put these in your mouth. And if I'm not with him, I call. She calls my assistant. His assistant. Put them, literally physically throw them into his mouth. Guys, it's been a blast. Anything you wanna close off with?

Well, you know, we're, first of all, thanks for having us again. Absolutely. And we're really happy about the launch of the Ultimate Human Podcast. It actually launches tomorrow with Dana White. Let's go. I know.

Excited. You know, my heroes are PhDs and researchers and MDs that are in the field of anti-aging and longevity and biohacking. So that's something that floats your boat. Tune into the Ultimate Human Podcast. Yeah, a lot of guests will share their stories. We'd love to have you on if you want to.

Yeah, I'd love to come on. Let's share your story. For sure, I'd love to have you on. Just the more that we can talk about health and wellness and I love this concept of building generational health. Right? That's cool. I like it. I love that.

We talk about a lot about mental fitness and not mental illness. Good stuff. Yeah. All right. Check out their podcast, guys. Thanks so much for coming on. Thank you, brother.

Thank you. Great to hear. All right. I'll see you guys next time. Peace.