Digital Social Hour - How a $600 Course Turned Into $9M Business! | Matt Shields DSH #692

Episode Date: September 3, 2024

Ever wondered how a $600 course can transform into a $9 million business? 🤔 Tune in now to discover this incredible journey with Sean Kelly on the Digital Social Hour! This episode is packed with valuable insights as our guest shares tales of surfing whims, spiritual quests, and entrepreneurial hustles. 🌊💡 Learn how a leap of faith in a simple online course paved the way for astonishing success, and explore the intriguing dance between business and personal growth. Don't miss out on this eye-opening conversation that dives into everything from healthy living to global adventures! 🌍✨   Watch now and subscribe for more insider secrets. 📺 Hit that subscribe button and stay tuned for more eye-opening stories on the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly! 🚀 Join the conversation and see how you can reinvent your path to success!   #HowToStartABusiness #SurroundingYourselfWithSuccessfulPeople #HowToImproveYourself #GettingAMentor #SelfHelpTips   #Productivity #HowToImproveYourself #Entrepreneurship #SurroundingYourselfWithSuccessfulPeople #PersonalDevelopment   CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:25 - Matt Shields 01:17 - Polar Opposites 04:17 - Barbecue 08:04 - How to Study Billionaires 10:17 - Why You Deleted Instagram 13:09 - What's Your End Goal 15:38 - Who's Course Did You Buy 16:50 - Newton's First Law 20:14 - Investigating Studies 20:58 - Online Education vs. Traditional Learning 22:08 - Success Will Speak 22:40 - How to Make Money Online 28:40 - Learning about Spirituality 32:55 - Religion vs. Relationship with God 33:15 - Past Life Regression Therapy 35:50 - Near Death Experiences 38:20 - World Vision: Serving Others   APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail]   GUEST: Matt Shields https://www.instagram.com/officialmattshields/ https://www.youtube.com/@mattshieldssmma   SPONSORS: Deposyt Payment Processing: https://www.deposyt.com/seankelly   LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It's interesting how we get attracted to complete opposites of the spectrum. People will get really involved in one thing, and they'll almost feel like they overdo it to where they have to go to the complete other end of the spectrum. And I think that's kind of what happened to me with surfing. It's like, dude, I was working so much. What if I just surfed the rest of my life? I went down that extreme, and then I realized that's not what I'm here to do.

And then it kind of balances out. All right, guys. Matt Shields from North Carolina, right? Yes, of balances out. All right, guys. Matt Shields from North Carolina, right? Yes, sir. Charlotte. 704. Born and raised? No, I actually was born in Texas.

Okay. Moved to Maryland and then came down to Charlotte about 11 years ago. And that's been your favorite? It probably has, dude. I mean, I prefer Costa Rica. Like if I could pick anywhere in the world, but I only lived there for a few months. So, Charlotte's cool, man. I've heard great things about Costa Rica, actually. I could pick anywhere in the world, but I only lived there for a few months. So Charlotte's cool, man. I've heard great things about Costa Rica, actually.

Dude, have you ever been? No, my friends go for stem cells and health stuff. Really? Yeah. Stem cells and like ayahuasca? I don't know about that. Maybe. It's a good duo right there, man.

Some stem cells, some DMT. That's what you get in Costa Rica. Is that what you were doing out there? Nah, man. Surfing. I became a beach bum, dude. I was working so hard and then I surfed for the first time and I was just like, this is all I ever want to do. So that's a polar opposite mindset. Yeah. It's interesting how we get

attracted to complete opposites of the spectrum, right? Like, you know, Brett Malinowski? Yes. Yeah. So Brett was telling me about this, how people will get really involved in one thing and they'll almost feel like they overdo it to where they have to go to the complete other end of the spectrum. Like the aggressive billionaire ends up donating all this money to charity because it's almost like this weird guilt we feel. And I think that's kind of what happened to me with surfing is like, dude, I was working so much.

And then I was like, surf for the first time ever. And I was like, what if I just surf the rest of my life? And then I went down that extreme and then I realized that's not what I'm here to do. I just surf the rest of my life? Interesting. I went down that extreme and then I realized that's not what I'm here to do. So, and then it kind of balances out.

Yeah. Yeah. When I deviate from business, I get an itch to go back to it usually. I don't know. I just love business and just podcasting

and networking. Yeah. I think I'll always do it for the rest of my life. What do you do to separate from business? Like, what's your escape?

What's your go-to? Right now, it's Fortnite and basketball. Yeah. And I love saunas. If I get opportunities to go in saunas, I love that. Yeah. So anything health related, I'm always down to do. Dude, but did you play basketball growing up?

Yeah. I wasn't good though. Like relative to like college level athletes. Yeah. But I was decent. Yeah. Dude, I grew up pooping as well. Yeah.

It was like before I found business, put everything into basketball so you were nice i mean i wasn't that nice but i was like maybe d2 okay you know we gotta run tonight if you want to play i'm down at lifetime i'm so game yeah 7 p.m 100 we'll film that we'll bring the videographer that'll be awesome i'll be sick how tall are you i'm 6'6 6'6 really i thought you're like 6'10 dude i wish actually i don't know about that i have this debate with my friends i think anything past like six four is pretty risky how so so actually anything past i think it's six two you lose a year of life really on average so you're trading lifespan for for height so if you're like eight feet tall you you're going to lose like 20 years.

That's crazy. Statistically, yeah. And you get so much attention, dude. We were at the airport yesterday. We saw this seven foot four guy. Tallest dude I've ever seen in person. I've been going to basketball tournaments my whole life. But this dude was massive. And everybody in the airport's pointing at him, looking at him.

Just like the poor guy couldn't even walk. Because everyone's just like... There's pros and cons. Yeah. When I go to short countries, like I went to bolivia i went to china and i was already the tallest in like middle school in china yeah so you get looked at yeah i believe it man yeah but in sports it's mainly useful i'd say in most sports because you got the wingspan so like i was good at tennis i'm playing pickleball now nice so it comes in handy but on airplanes oh yeah

yeah this is fun man it's a it's hard on your knees and joints but yeah screws up my shoulder bro yeah your shoulder it's fun yeah it's it's a bigger sport is that your favorite sport right now no man i probably still i would probably go surfing and then basketball okay um i have not hooped as much as i i should be but i've been i've been talking to like you know eddie maloof yeah joel and he's nice i heard eddie i haven't played with him i was talking shit to him i was like dude we gotta run we gotta run some one-on-one and he was like bro and then he like he just posted me up we were just like at a networking event he posted me up and he was like bro you can't get around me i was like damn he's

got it right he's a little sniper did you see what happened to his brother i did bro bro what in the world that is nuts did you watch the podcast i did that was a good podcast crazy yeah dude we were at the bank setting up an account and we start talking about it and then the banker is like oh do you guys know barbecue which is who eddie's brother was there to see and um and what was it haiti right yeah haiti barbecue apparently cannibal like eats people really the banker randomly tells us about them and like dude that's who our friend's brother just like went to see and got kidnapped for wow so it's just like it was a crazy coincidence oh so you knew about it when it was going on yeah i knew about it when it was going on a little bit and uh somebody just like randomly brought up it to us and then we told him like yeah that's our friend's brother crazy crazy shit i didn't know he was a cannibal that's scary yeah

cannibal was like bombing places and like barbecuing people. Oh, that's how he got the nickname. That's why they call him Barbecue. That makes sense. Wow. I don't think I'd ever go to Haiti, man. It's the witchcraft capital of the world. Really?

It's Dominican Republic and Haiti. Wow. The most witchcraft in the world is in those two countries. I think I've been a Dominican when I was younger, but I don't know how it is now. Dude, it's sketchy. You see some crazy, crazy stuff. Wow. You been? I've been a Dominican when I was younger, but I don't know how it is now. Dude, it's sketchy. You see some crazy, crazy stuff. Wow. You been?

I've been to DR. I haven't been to Haiti, but I have friends who have. And yeah, man, it's, yeah. That's wild. A lot of darkness. You travel a lot? Yeah. Yeah.

I was just in South Africa with Iman and those guys. We were shooting some content. Iman Godzi? Yep. Nice. And then we, yeah, we were in Peru not too long ago. Carson and I were doing some stuff there. So I love traveling, man.

I feel like making money, a great benefit from making money on your laptop is just being able to go around the world, meet people, see different cultures, get different experiences. It's so, it's so cliche at this point, but like, man, it's so fun yeah facts people always ask me i'm sure they ask you what you spend your money on the most and for me it's

traveling and food 100 those are the two yeah those are my favorite things i probably spent six figures a year on those on travel and food both or like separate uh probably a lot of money on food probably just travel yeah yeah probably both i I do go hard on food though because I'm eating pretty nice in Vegas. Yeah? Yeah. Are you like biohacked out? Like organic everything? No seed oils?

I wish I could say that. I don't eat fast food. But I mean most restaurants use seed oils unfortunately. So it's kind of hard. And I feel like a dick asking them not to sometimes. So I just suck it up. Do you know Paul Saladino? Carnivore MV? Yes. He's awesome. He'll go and he'll ask like what oils do you know uh paul saladino carnivore yes he'll go and i'll

ask like what oils do you use in the food yeah um and most of the time they don't even know yeah no they have no idea it's pretty bad yeah because canola oil is so cheap so most restaurants just use that do you know like what's the actual problem with the seed oil like what is the medical challenge to seed oil like because i just know everybody says seed oils are bad seed oils are bad yeah that's kind of become an echo chamber i don't like seed oils but i also don't even know like what's actually wrong with them have you i just know it's highly processed um it's used in non-foods so it's basically like agents and other objects and they're putting it into food yeah it's highly processed i try to eat as natural as possible yeah and sickened by that i tested my biological age last month and i'm 21 really

yeah so i'm doing decent man dude that's sick you got to be the next uh what's that guy brian johnson yeah no he's extreme bro he's 20 years younger than his age dude those thumbnails like like drinks his son's blood or crazy stuff like vampire shit man yeah i think he's gonna inspire a lot of people yeah which i like yeah he's a smart dude like when you watch him he invented uh what was it venmo or uh yeah one of those cash app or yeah one of those payment apps like he's a genius dude um but he's just so extreme on it yeah yeah he's polarizing and you've studied a lot of these billionaires, right? I've studied a decent amount, man.

Decent amount. Not as many as I probably should but yeah, I've studied a decent amount of billionaires and just, you know, Charlie Munger says that there's billion dollar answers in a $50 history book. So I try to take that to heart in a simple history book,

in a simple biography, you can find answers that are worth a billion dollars like you can go and research What was elon thinking when he started paypal? What was steve jobs thinking when he started apple? What was he thinking when he left apple, right? Most people don't know he actually got fired from apple his own company So you can kind of go and research because success leaves clues, right and wisdom is prevention So if you study other people's wisdom you can prevent the problems that they faced because that's what their wisdom is it's prevention for you not having to run into those same problems right yeah i'm a big

fan of studying dude i like to say there's two things i spend my time doing studying information and then applying it and i try to just spend as much time as i can doing those two things and then every now and then you know i'll surf or play some basketball usually studying information and applying it and are you doing biographies youtube videos what's the platform so i was like a big reader i was like read a book a week go crazy 2x audible like you know douchey founder stuff and then i found this podcast called the founders podcast i don't know if you've ever heard of this podcast so basically this guy goes and he reads biographies every single week and he breaks them down into incredible like book reports and so he does Charlie Munger Steve Jobs Jeff Bezos all the biggest entrepreneurs who have ever walked the earth right and so he just puts them in these

podcasts breaks down the most important takeaways in like an hour-long segment and then you just listen to it and so I don't really read anymore i don't really study entrepreneurs on like audiobooks or you know anything like that i just go listen to this podcast gives me everything i need and then i kind of write some notes that's awesome it's so much more efficient dude i'm gonna check that out because i try to listen to books but my attention span is shot from shorts and tiktoks it's so bad i think the my attention span is shot from shorts and TikToks. It's so bad. I think the average attention span is three seconds now. Really?

Last study I read. It's crazy. It's like the same as a squirrel or something. It's less, dude. It's less than a goldfish now. That's why. I mean, think about it. When you're on TikTok, this is a good segue because you deleted Instagram, right?

I delete Instagram every now and then I'll go on to post, but I unfollowed everybody. So if you go to my Instagram, it's like I follow two accounts. I follow like the Bible account. So all I see is scripture. When I go on to Instagram, that's a good like protection for me, right? But no, I unfollowed everybody. I unfollowed my best friend. I unfollowed my mom. I unfollowed everybody because it's just, it's such a distraction from what actually matters. I don't need to see what people are doing with their life. I need to be focused on mine. And the reality is like, even if this was a clip and people are watching it right now, most people are avoiding something in their life just by watching this. And that's what I realized is I'm going to social media to escape, whether it's for a minute or an

hour, I'm just wasting my time there. And so there was nothing productive happening, but I figured if I could hack the algorithm to only put valuable content in front of me, then social media can no longer become an escape, but a form of education. So that's why I just follow like the Bible app or the Bible account. And then like one other account that only posts things that actually make me better. So if I can kind of optimize my social media there, it's no longer as toxic as it used to be. 100%. i agree with that completely you can customize your instagram you could say i'm not interested on videos yeah

so i don't get any half naked girls on mine i just get health stuff business stuff for me i have to use it because i'm looking for viral guests that's how i found you so i get it but from your point of view there's really no point i mean scrolling for hours yeah so bad man and same thing with youtube like once you watch five good videos, it will all just, your whole algorithm, your whole recommendation page will just be content in that category. So all it takes is like,

like five reels that are positive, watch five YouTube videos that are positive, and then your entire feed is going to become that positive stuff. Yeah. Then you just need to be disciplined and not go back to, you know, freaking, I don't know, Addison Rae. I don i don't know i haven't been on i don't know who people

watch anymore but whatever whoever's out there dancing yeah i like youtube my feet is solid on youtube yeah i got some really good stuff you got some matt shields content on there bro i i you have come up on my youtube actually yeah yeah it's mainly like interesting podcasts i listen to i like lex friedman uh joe rogan i just heard tucker on joe rogan that was a great episode yeah did you see that one i haven't i've seen it pop up i need to watch it so what was your biggest like takeaway uh he exposed government agencies for planting child porn on people's computers what yeah so if you go against the government that's a possibility what that? That could happen to you. They planted it? Allegedly.

People are scared to speak up because allegedly that could happen. That's crazy, man. Yeah. That's a crazy world. Very crazy. Yeah. I don't think I'd ever want to get into politics. Too dangerous.

Yeah. A lot of people end up dead or just puppets. You interviewed Tucker, right? Not yet. He said he's going to come on. Yeah. Shout out to Tucker. That's awesome, man.

I'll interview them, but I won't ever dive into that space. Yeah, yeah. It's too risky. What's your big goal with this, dude? What's like your end goal? You have so much influence now. Yeah, similar to Rogan, I guess. Just inspire, educate, have fun, change people's perspectives.

Because I think people get fed a lot of the same information growing up. I look back on my life. I was pretty brainwashed. I watched the traditional news outlets, went to public school. And I wish I had access to alternative information growing up. I look back on my life. I was pretty brainwashed. I watched the traditional news outlets, went to public school, and I wish I had access to alternative information growing up. Yeah.

Dude, I'm the same way. I think one of the best things that ever happened to me, I dropped out of ninth grade. So I left high school after ninth grade. Wow, that's young. Yeah. And I went to YouTube University ever since.

I took math one in ninth grade and that was it. I've never gone past like algebra one, never gone past English one. I just went to YouTube university. Everything I've ever learned was on YouTube or podcasts or books. And you know, we've done all right. I'm sure it could be more successful, but I've been able to do all right in business and in life just by getting outside of those zones of just echo chambers, right? Which is what school is. It's a programming center for you to become what they want you to be. I believe John D. Rockefeller was one of the, obviously, was the most wealthy person in the world. And I believe he funded the General Education Board,

not the public education system but the public education board with like 30 million dollars or something that was just like stupid amounts of money back when he was alive and he said he doesn't want a nation of thinkers he wants a nation of workers and he's the guy who funded the general education board right so if you go to school their job is to make you a worker not a thinker if you that's why i never gelled in school is i would think outside the box. I would challenge my teachers. I would ask them questions. And it always just led to me getting detention or getting kicked out or whatever, because I didn't want to be a worker. I wanted

to think for myself. I wanted to come up with my own ideas. And then eventually I came in ninth grade. I was just like, dude, I can't do this. So I just dropped out. Wow. You need your parents signature that early, right? You do. But so you you can't you technically have to go to high school so what i did complete finesse sean i found this thing called pin foster online which is like an online school and it's basically a scam it's basically a scam i went on pin foster and my senior year i finished two full semesters in three days what the whole school year i finished in three days it was seven hours of I finished in three days. It was seven hours of work. I called them up after and I'm like, guys, am I done? Or like, is there more work for me to do? And they're like, oh no, you graduated. We'll send you a diploma. They sent me a diploma.

Technically I graduated, but really it was just finesse. And then I started, I bought a course on how to make money online, started a business. And a few years later, you know, we were running a multi seven figure business all from our laptops. So. and that's smma right that's smma and did you buy i'm assuming it was ty lopez's course it wasn't oh it wasn't no it wasn't ties it wasn't iman shout out to those guys though it was a guy named billy wilson okay it was like an og he doesn't make content anymore but i bought his course it was like 600 bucks i went to my mom i was like mom help me buy this course she was like no go to I went to my mom. I was like, mom, help me buy this course. She was like, no, go to college. Went to my dad.

He was like, I'll give you 200 bucks. Came back to my mom. I was like, dad's giving me 200 bucks. You sure you don't want to get in on this? My mom gave me 100 bucks. I put up the other 300, which I made like selling shoes on eBay. Bought this course for 600 bucks. And I was just like this, I need to make this work.

Like I was desperate, man. There's no other option. I have to make this work. I was desperate, man. There's no other option. I have to make this work. So I went all in. I was 17 years old, working 70 hours a week, just sweating my ass off, grinding, dude, trying to figure out how to become successful. And I turned that $600 course into now, we've done almost $9 million online. And till this day, that's the only course that I've actually gone through was that $600 SMMA course. Crazy. Crazy shit. You were all in. I was all in. The other option.

There's Newton's first law to me is a really interesting law for success and obviously science. But an object at rest stays at rest unless acted upon by an unbalanced force. So I find a lot of entrepreneurs, a lot of people, they're at rest in their life. They can't seem to break through certain plateaus and it's because they haven't been acted upon by an unbalanced force. For me, buying that course, even though it was only 600 bucks, it was an unbalancing force of pressure to where I had to get into motion. I had to figure out how to make something work. As JFK said, right, you have to throw your hat over the wall. So the only way you can come home is by climbing the wall, getting your hat, and going back. Most people are scared to throw their hats over the wall.

They're scared to take that risk. They're scared to put an unbalancing force in their life. But I did that with Buying the Course, and it forced me to go to a new level, become a new person. Yeah, that's brilliant. I never translated that law to business, but that makes so much sense because 70% of rich people's kids lose their money and then 90% by the times hard times create strong men so true it's facts yeah so true yeah it's gonna be tough you and i having kids because they're gonna come into money and they won't have that edge that we have so what do you do like what's your plan yeah i've been studying it honestly i don't even have kids yet but i'm planning it i've been watching patrick by david the way he raises it with the book system i think

that's uh his kids have to read certain amount of pages to get rewarded to I think get their iPad and play games on it. Yeah. So they're reading like a book a week or something crazy. Yeah. I think that's cool. You need to listen to the Founders podcast, bro.

Yeah, I got to listen to that one. Do they talk about raising kids on that? No. I mean, I'm sure somewhere on there they do. But dude, that's interesting. So they have to read in order to earn the reward basically. So he's just training them to be disciplined yeah which everybody could use because even like non-rich

kids have ipads and iphones and i didn't have a phone till uh high school dude really yeah like an iphone yeah yeah did you grow up in vegas or i grew up in jersey oh yeah yeah it was a rich town so i had that against me looking back it was crazy because every kid in my uh high school their parents bought them a car as soon as they turned 16. But mine didn't. Really? And I hated it. But back then, you know, with that mindset, it makes sense.

Now looking back, it was great that my mom did that. How so? What did it do for you? Just humbled me, taught me to work for everything I want. I think if she gave me a car, I would have been a little spoiled. Yeah. You know? Yeah, it gives you perspective, man.

There's something powerful about that. My business partner i was telling you about where he went to school in jersey it's called like the billionaire school i don't know if you've heard of that it's like a high school where like three billionaires have came out of really yeah it's public i think it is public wow yeah something in the water there man something something it's it's like uh it's a very it's an indian town so it's like i guess indians are more likely to be billionaires and i don't know i don't know if that's true so indians actually they've done studies on indians and they save the most money really yeah so they're the highest saving more than like jewish people yeah really on average yeah oh in the u.s at least i gotta

check that study but yeah indians so you study a lot of stuff, dude. I like studies and you got to see who's doing the study, who's funding the study. Because there's a study for everything good and bad. There's always two studies, you know. How do you, so what's like your advice to somebody? Because there's so much crap on the internet of, oh, this study showed blah, blah, blah. And it's just BS. So how do you discern that?

How do you actually investigate a study to find out? There's a site, Lane Norton showed me, it aggregates all the studies and then it'll show ratios of how many were positive, how many were negative to this ingredient. Interesting. But I just trust the experts at this point. I don't trust any mainstream websites. Like if it's Huffington Post, if it's, I don't know, Fox, you know, I don't read it. Yeah. I just can't believe it, dude. Yeah. I feel you. That conventional, that's why I just don't watch the news. Yeah. I mean, look at who funds the news. It's big pharma. It's all these big companies. Yeah. So they're going to program whatever message they want to get across to the masses. Yeah. Scary, man. Scary. That's why I was watching a Hermosi video yesterday, I think,

where he's talking about online education and just online marketing and everything and how powerful that's going to be because everybody's starting to have their own platform. Right. Like you have your own podcast. I have my own podcast. There's so many people of their own forms of distributing content and information that these big systems, Fox, CNN, et cetera, they're starting to decline. I think it's by like 4% a year. Yeah, it's crazy. And all these other platforms obviously are shooting up.

Yeah, Rogan just told us to Tucker, alternative media is getting more views than traditional now. All the podcasts and YouTubers. So we're overtaking traditional media. Dude, so here's where my concern goes. It's like you're going to have, everybody gets a chance to have a platform. So you're going to have a ton of people who shouldn't have platforms in the first place which i guess already is the case with you know fox and shenan to some extent um what do you think's gonna happen in 10 years from now when every kid with a mic and a phone is popping off and posting viral tiktoks which already is kind of happening you're seeing you're seeing it now. Yeah. But what do you think 10 years from now is going to look like?

I think just success will speak, dude. In the business space, at least. In the health space. I think people are going to go to the experts. You kind of see it now. All the top shows, if you look at the host, they have some sort of experience or knowledge. It's not just some random guy for the most part. Yeah, that's true.

So I think people will gravitate over time. But there's so many podcasts right now. It's crazy. Yeah. Almost everyone you know probably has one or has been a guest on part. Yeah, that's true. So I think people will gravitate over time, but there's so many podcasts right now. It's crazy. Yeah. Almost everyone you know probably has one or has been a guest on one. Yeah. Dude, that's why, like,

I was having fun with the podcast and some of them were doing well, but it's just so much competition, man. Yeah. Yeah, you got to do it for the right reasons. Why do you do this? Just inspire, educate. Money is one part of it.

I mean, it does do well financially, but that's not the main reason for most people it is and they're relying on the podcast as their source of income yeah so that's where it gets a little dangerous i think how do you make money from this just uh sponsors views um opportunities that come from working with guests afterwards yeah yeah like damon john uh was a guest he spoke at my Nice. He sold three mastermind spots at 30K each. Wow. So he made 100 grand in 10 minutes.

So just like opportunities like that. There was a stem cell guy that came on. I'm offering stem cell options to my guests now. Really? Yeah. We got to talk about that, bro. My shoulder's like so screwed up. Yeah?

Messed up. Oh, I got you. I'll put you in touch. Yeah? Yeah. That'd be huge. You'll have to fly out, but he'll put you up in a nice hotel and everything. Columbia.

Columbia, like Medellin? Yeah. Shoot've been there i have yeah yeah cool place crazy place you dating right now uh nah not really man um i'm waiting until so i used to date around and all that stuff but dude it hit me after one week i just i i don't even want to say what I did. It was terrible, at least the way I look at it now. It's probably normal to what most men, how most men operate in society today. But I was just not being a person I wanted to be. And I went too far one week, just was like sleeping around with different women. And after that, I was just like disgusted with myself. I was like, what am I doing?

Like, I don't care care about i didn't have any love for any of these women i'm just giving my seed of life my life force inside of me to random strangers which you're giving them power over you right you're letting in a weird way you're becoming subservient to the woman right because she's controlling your force of life so i was just in it's just a weird spot i was like man what am i doing like why am i why am i doing this and i realized like i don't want to interact with someone like that unless i actually have love for them so i'm waiting until i find somebody i actually i actually care about i actually love and then uh dude i'd like to wait till marriage wow honestly to do it again it's

tough i don't know if i'll be able to but that's a rare thing these days man yeah my buddy carson is big on it so he's he's been putting that like into my mind like he really wants to wait and he's disciplined on it so i'm like dude i should too and i love that and it's a it's unfortunate that guys get made fun of for like being virgins these days um but it's powerful to hold that in man i do think there's a spiritual connection when you have sex. There is. It is. Dude, so in the Bible, there's a spirit called Jezebel. The Jezebel spirit is like the lust spirit.

And Jezebel was essentially like a domineering woman who certain men in the Old Testament would give their life force to Jezebel, and then she would essentially have power over them. So that's what I was trying to allude to earlier is when you interact with a woman in that way, you start craving to have sex with her. She now has this control over you because she needs you to behave a certain way in order for you to get sex. So you're becoming subservient to them in the sense of they control you. I've seen so many of my buddies, this happens to them in the sense of, you know, they control you. I've seen so many of my buddies, this happens to them where they, they can't, you know, they can't come back to their woman if she disrespects them. They can't, they have no control over the relationship. They're constantly being berated and controlled and just manipulated, but they want the sex so bad. They're so controlled by the sex

that they just let it happen. And they're, they're not even in the sex that they just let it happen and they're they're not even in love they're just in lust it's so dangerous and it's all it's all over the place man yeah they call it simping but no for real that's the modern jazz about spirit it's the simp spirit yeah you see it everywhere and yeah they need to do psychological studies on why it is because it is bad like guys will do the most i've heard so i've heard this said that men the the reason that men get so addicted to sex and multiple sexual partners is because they have no other way of expressing intimacy and the most intimate thing you can do is have sex with someone so men chase sex because deep down they're just craving intimacy

like they just want to be intimate with someone. They want to have a conversation with someone. They want to actually get to know someone. But in our society, men can't do that, right? It's not, you don't talk about your feelings. You don't express your emotions. You're weird or weak if you do that. So instead we compensate and we react by just becoming addicted to sex.

Yeah. Because that's the only way we can get any form of intimacy out of ourselves. Right. And a lot of guys sleep around because they think it's a cool thing to do too with their friend groups and everything. We got to change that, bro.

It's not cool. It's lame, bro. Yeah. It's lame. Like let the cool thing being a good father, being in love with one woman, being loyal, having high character,

raising a good family. That is the cool thing. Yeah. We got to bring that back into the world though, yeah i'm fortunate man i've only slept with one girl really and that's in for someone in my position that's so rare and that's like unheard of honestly to have millions to have followers um but i'm so happy i did it but like growing up i got you know made fun of and stuff yeah but i just held through it why'd you help why don't you go sleep around like what's stopping you um well at first i just couldn't like i had no game but i i'd say like

once i started making money and got followers like i definitely could have i just never wanted to spend time on it dude like it's a full-time thing i see my single friends chasing girls 40 hours a week like for real they're going on dates they're texting them all day like it's literally a full-time job bro it is and like they got they got no money but they have these bodies they're focused on their body count not their bank account that's the problem bro and now within the past year add on that spirituality component that i'm learning about and the energy transfers of sex there's no way i'd ever do it like you're it's your highest form of energy that you're exchanging with somebody now they have a part of you. It does.

And I believe you can inherit traumas too through sex. You ever feel heavy after like sleeping with someone? I definitely, I definitely, dude, yeah,

yeah, I've had some shit happen. Yeah, so I believe you're like inheriting their traumas. So what have you been learning spiritually? Dude, I went through a weird

atheist phase growing up. I was Christian, went to church and didn't like it. And I feel like this happens to a lot of kids. They don't like it. And then I just didn't believe in God for like years and then sought purpose. Like I seeked purpose and meaning in life. And just, I've had on a few guests, Matthias DeStefano, Billy Carson, Robert Edward Grant, just exploring possibilities of life after death and all this stuff. And I've, I've gone through some weird encounters. Really? I've done past life regression therapy. I've, um, had ghost hunters on the show, just getting perspectives. And I'm definitely a believer in spirituality. That's interesting, man. I was an atheist too, but I grew up atheist. Like my family didn't go to church. We didn't believe in God. We didn't talk about the Bible. You know, my mom was kind

of agnostic. She had been burnt by the church. My dad was an atheist and similar to you, dude, exactly what you just said. I started seeking purpose. And what I realized, if there's no God, the word purpose by definition is the reason for which something exists or is created. So to have purpose, there needs to be a reason we were created. And so what I realized, if there is no God, there's no reason for us being here. There's no reason for our creation. So without God, we cannot have ultimate purpose. And when that hit me, I became kind of a nihilist because I wanted to believe in God, but I didn't. And so I realized without God, there's no purpose.

So I guess nothing matters. There is no reason for us being here. I went really deep down this dark path of nihilism. And one day I just kind of denounced God. I was like, God, I've been seeking you for five years. I don't think you're there. It's been five years and nothing's happened. If you're there, like, cool, show me.

But I'm going to just go live my life, be a good person. Whatever happens, happens. The next day, something happened to me that just like made my head hurt. It was crazy. And then the next day, another thing happened. I got a text from somebody I hadn't talked to in three years who said, hey, God put you on my heart today. Is everything okay? Wow.

And then thing after thing after thing, Sean, and I just kept seeking. And he kept revealing himself to me. And then one day, eventually, I read the Bible. And I'd read the book of Matthew, the gospel of Matthew, which I'd read three times before. But this time, these guys had said a prayer for me at my church. I was going to church seeking what's up there. And they said, God, make this book come alive to Matthew. Like open his eyes to what this book really is.

I go home that night just fired up to read the Bible. It was super weird. I was like, I can't wait to go home and read the Bible. The weirdest thing. I go home and I pick it up and it's like it was a different book. And I just, I've read it all night. I read like the whole gospel of Matthew just going, going, going.. And ever since then I haven't been able to put it down. Yeah, man. It's, it's, it's everything. Yeah. It's everything. Yeah. You can really find

almost like a connection, right? With like a higher power. Yeah. A big thing I'm a believer in is that God doesn't want religion. He wants relationship. Everybody talks about religion, and religion is probably what turned you away from the church to some extent. Yeah, especially modern-day religion where there's money involved. I'm not a fan of that. Dude, it kept me away for so long. It kept me away for so long because I see these mega church pastors in these mega mansions with 12,000 square foot houses and private jets and all these nice cars. And I'm like, why would I go support that? But that's not God. And that's what people have to keep in mind. It's like religion is not God. What's so funny is the thing that Jesus condemned more than anything,

the sin that he condemned was religious hypocrisy. More than anything else, he preached against the Pharisees and the scribes, the most religious people in the world he was crucified by the most religious people in the world so you know the bible says in james chapter 1 verse 27 it says religion that is pure and undefiled before god the father is this care for orphans and widows in their distress and keep yourself unstained by the world that's religion in the Bible's terminology, is to care for people who need it and to not be like the world. So people get this wrong a lot. It's not about religion.

It's about relationship with God. That's what he wants. So yeah, man, that's been probably the biggest thing in the last year of my life is just looking into that, looking into why I love that. Yeah, I love that you're open about it because it is a divisive topic these days. Yeah, it is for a lot of reasons. So you were in church, you got kind of turned away, you've come back. Are you into like philosophy or like Buddhism or Christianity? Like where's your mind go with spirituality? Yeah, I don't know if I tie myself to one i do like the reincarnation aspect uh i'm a believer in that i do think we've had past lives and i think we'll have future lives i know that's probably against

your belief but um i do believe in that man is that is that come from like buddhism or is that separate from anything i don't know what it's tied to i know it is a big part of buddhism or is that separate from anything i don't know what it's tied to i know it is a big part of buddhism but yeah so in past life therapy um they kind of bring it out of you they speak to your subconscious mind really yeah it's pretty fascinating what is past life therapy so there's different forms so when i did was past life regression therapy so you're lying down on a bed um she puts you in a meditative state almost like hypnosis okay so she brings your subconscious mind forward and that's what's talking to her and then she'll walk you through some of your past lives wow yeah it's pretty nuts and when that happens are you like does it you feel it you're

like oh man i i was x y and z thing in a past life or yeah some people see it there's visual learners there's people that learn by touch so they have to explain through touch and then there's one other one i think audio but uh yeah i explored like seven of my past lives allegedly i mean there's no like physical proof i like proof i like numbers i like data so that this is more out of the box for me typically but yeah that's crazy man it is interesting yeah yeah because i used to have heart pain all the time and um what i'm trying to remember okay so in the life i had a heart attack i was a really stressed out businessman and i died of a heart attack and so in this life i would get like chest pain i would get like heart palpitations all the time as soon as we cleared that energy dude i haven't had a single time really and i

used to have it all the time dang yeah so she said a lot of physical pain in the body is caused from stress in previous lives interesting dude maybe i was like a power lifter in a past life if you want to try her out she lives here i'd be open to talking to her i probably wouldn't do it um it's interesting man i was very into buddhism yeah very into stoicism and buddhism and obviously reincarnation is is a key very into buddhism yeah uh very into stoicism and buddhism and obviously reincarnation is is a key principle of buddhism you reincarnate until you achieve nirvana which is enlightenment but yeah it's i don't know it's it's tough i think the fact that there's something out there is is that belief in itself is better than the idea that we're here for nothing agree we're here for no reason yeah um and then we just have to keep

seeking like the bible says seeking you shall find asking you shall receive and i tried to follow that and uh yeah if you seek you'll find man so do you believe in afterlife or do you think this is just there's a crazy book called imagine heaven by john burke believe. It's a crazy book about, he studied over a thousand near-death experiences. These people who died, whether it was they drowned or they had a car accident, whatever happened, they died, they were gone for 30 seconds, some even 30 minutes, and they eventually were brought back. And they describe what they saw in their time spent in the next realm. And it's incredible what these people saw. They all describe very, very similar experiences. And they describe, I think one of the most fascinating things is they describe encountering a being of light and love. There was this being of light and

love that just the second they saw it or felt it, it was just, they felt love, this crazy indescribable love. And it was just so bright, but not bright like it's hard to look at, like that light. Bright, just like glowing. But all you wanted to do was look at it. And so many people from different cultures, different backgrounds, different areas, all describe encountering the same thing. And so to me, that was really fascinating. And the Bible says God is a God of light.

So it gave me a lot of faith that like heaven's real, man. Heaven's real. And there is something after this, this life. And there's doctors who believe that we now have medical evidence to support the idea that there is a, there is a life after death. Wow. That's exciting. It's so exciting, dude. I used to be so scared of death and now I'm like, bro, if it happens, like I'm excited. What's next? I used to fear it, man. Yeah. For real daily. Same fear it, man. Yeah. For real. Daily.

Same. As a kid. Yeah. For no reason. I was super young. Did you have like anxiety and OCD and kind of stuff like that? Yeah. Yeah.

I'd say so as a kid. I used to think about it a lot. Same, man. Yeah. But I've accepted it more and more. I'd say I'm almost fully at peace with it. There's still some stuff I want to do on this earth while I can. But for the most part, I think I'm doing a lot better than i was yeah that's cool to hear dude i was the same way it's

it's cool to come to that spot of like man if i die i die yeah like that's a really powerful place to be like if it was uh sineka the stoic philosopher who said we have one chain that holds us back and it's our love for life. And I find that to be a really profound quote that our love for life is the one thing that holds us back. Ironic, right? Yeah. Yeah. Loving the feeling of living. Interesting. Yeah.

Yeah. People get wrapped up in it, man. They do. Yeah. Dude, it's been an interesting episode. It's been all, yeah. We didn't talk about SMMA at all, which I'm so glad. It's funny, man. Anything else you want to close off with or promote though? Serve others, man. Serve others.

I think that's what we're here for. Whether you're an atheist or a theist or whatever you believe in, if everybody in the world served everybody else but themselves, it'd be a way different planet. So I'll leave people with that thought what would the what would the world look like if everybody was serving someone other than themselves love it man we'll link your youtube below thanks so much for uh coming on dude that

was fun yeah thanks for watching guys see you tomorrow