Digital Social Hour - How AI Is Revolutionizing Music Creation | Bonnie X Clyde DSH #1174
Episode Date: February 11, 2025🎵 How is AI revolutionizing music creation? | Bonnie X Clyde join Sean Kelly on the Digital Social Hour to spill all the details! From using AI to remix their own voices to embracing cutting-edge... tools for songwriting, they share how technology is transforming the music industry. 🚀 But that's not all—get behind-the-scenes stories of their wild festival gigs, creative process, and even their journey from college dreamers to chart-topping artists. 🎤 Plus, they dive into meditation, mindfulness, and staying grounded while chasing the high-energy life of international music tours. 🌍✨ Packed with valuable insights and unforgettable stories, this episode is a must-watch for music lovers, creators, and anyone curious about the future of AI in music. Don't miss out—watch now and join the conversation! 🎧 Be sure to hit that subscribe button for more insider secrets and inspiring chats with incredible guests. 🔥 Tune in now and explore the future of music with | Bonnie X Clyde and Sean Kelly! 🎶 CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:32 - Poker Frequency and Strategy 02:38 - Performing for 30,000 Fans 04:58 - Specialized Recruiting Group Shoutout 05:49 - Insomniac Events Overview 07:31 - Exploring Past Life Therapy 08:41 - Building Empathy in Music 09:27 - Origin of | Bonnie X Clyde 13:17 - Meaning Behind| Bonnie X Clyde Name 14:20 - Music Evolution Over the Years 17:01 - Experience in Mosh Pits 18:50 - The Science of Frequencies 23:38 - Creative Process in Music 26:08 - AI in Music Production 28:46 - Upcoming Shows and Tours 31:41 - Polymarket Insights 33:30 - Taylor Swift Influence 34:08 - Where to Connect with| Bonnie X Clyde APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: jenna@digitalsocialhour.com GUEST: | Bonnie X Clyde https://www.instagram.com/bonniexclyde/ https://bonniexclyde.com/ SPONSORS: Specialized Recruiting Group: https://www.srgpros.com/ LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ #sunoai #edmtips #aitools #abletonlive #ai-poweredmusic
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I mean, during our shows, we definitely created them.
We used to.
I get pretty scared, I'm not gonna lie.
Just put that, I mean, some of them are wild.
There was one time I like jumped on top of a crowd
at a festival and I never did it again.
Oh, you crowd surfed?
Yeah, well they didn't carry me up did it again. Oh, you crowd surf? Yeah.
Well, they didn't, they didn't carry me up the whole way.
Ooh.
Yeah.
Damn.
I didn't get too hurt, but it was like, okay,
I won't be doing this again.
All right guys, Bonnie, X Clyde, Paige and Danielle here today.
Thanks for coming on guys.
Thanks for having us.
I'm excited to see you guys play.
You guys play often?
We used to play a lot more.
I would say in the last couple months,
we haven't been playing as crazy,
but we used to host a game.
We lived in the same house
with like a lot of producers and musicians,
and we used to host a game in Los Angeles every Tuesday.
I think it was when we were touring,
starting like 2017 through 2019,
we were traveling around the country
in like St. Louis and Boston
and playing these places where there'd be casinos
and then we'd stay and play.
And that led into when COVID happened,
where we had a lot of time.
And we decided to actually get a poker table for a house
and just play with the friends, but
that led to us like Tuesdays and Thursdays for like 12 hours just buying it.
Nothing crazy.
You know, $200 buy-ins with a pound of weed on the table kind of thing.
And just going around playing for hours and hours and that's how we really fell in love
with the game.
And there have even been periods recently in the last two years where I started
I do I went on like a PLO binge if you guys know about yellow
That's the set the five hand card or whatever for cards. I prefer four card PLO rather than five card
The math is kind of harder interesting. Why is it harder?
One more card and also it's not even like when you're thinking about two cards. You're just kind of like doubling halfing
Oh, okay, but there's that fifth card it kind of leads to.
I can't even understand when I see clips of the five card.
I don't understand what's going on.
Yeah, just more variants.
We call it in the poker room we call it poker bingo because it's you could have the nuts
on the turn and then all of a sudden on the river you're so far behind but you're already
so committed with your stack or most likely all in at that point.
Damn, yeah.
I like the basic two card personally.
What about you?
Me too.
Yeah, it's simple, it's nice and easy.
I'm definitely not a PLO girl.
Yeah, PLO is a whole nother game.
You like PLO more though, you said?
Yeah, I just, I like dopamine and that really invokes that.
You're a dopamine junkie.
Yeah, definitely.
Okay, that makes sense with your profession, right?
Yeah, absolutely.
Just chase louder and bigger crowds every weekend. Yeah, you get fueled off that energy, right? Definitely. Okay, that makes sense with your profession, right? Yeah, absolutely. Just chase louder and bigger crowds every weekend.
Yeah, you get fueled off that energy, right?
Definitely.
What's the biggest crowd you guys have done?
Probably 30,000 people.
It would be like EDC Vegas.
We played a really sick crowd, EDC Mexico.
Yeah, EDC Mexico.
I didn't know they had Mexico.
Yeah, that was pretty electric.
30,000 people.
EDC Vegas, I think was the biggest though
Yeah, 2019 EDC Vegas, maybe EDC Orlando. Oh
Yeah, you saw a Lando to use you electric zoo is pretty sick, too
That was pretty up there probably 20,000. Holy crap
And do you change your set based off the crowd size or is it the same kind of vibe every time we do?
Play music festival sets. I think differently than club sets.
Okay.
Not necessarily based on the crowd size,
but more like the stage
and how we're performing with the stage.
Cause I sing on all of our sets.
So, whether there's a full stage or just a booth
kind of changes our setup.
I didn't know you sang during them.
That's not common in EDM, right?
I don't know. sang during them. That's not common in EDM, right?
I don't know.
Less common. It is less common.
Maybe like under 5% or even less.
But it also depends on the stage format.
You know, we really like if there's a catwalk
or a front stage and things of that nature
rather than just standing up on the DJ booth.
And also some festivals are more electronic,
rave oriented festivals
versus when we played Lollapalooza
like they want to hear you sing.
They you know the.
It was a bigger stage.
The crowds there and hearing more people singing so the live performance is more palatable.
Yeah, I went to Lollapalooza once I thought I was gonna die.
Why?
Let's just say I bought something from some random guy came out of a sock and yeah almost
died. Yeah always know your source guys. Why let's just say I bought something from some random guy came out of a sock and yeah, I'm gonna die
Yeah, always know your source guys. Yeah, that was a sketchy a little I don't even know what to call that experience
a bad trip
Yeah, shout out to Lollapalooza though. Definitely a lot of people at that one. Yeah, that was a fun one. I've been to
Fireflies that what it's called. Yeah, Firefly's great. Firefly. Yeah, I haven't been to festivals in a while
Are they still pretty poppin these days? Absolutely. Yeah? Yeah, Firefly is great. Firefly, yeah. I haven't been to festivals in a while. Are they still pretty popping these days?
Absolutely.
Oh yeah.
I feel like they're getting more diversified
on who they're booking and people are getting more creative
on how they're formatting the festival,
not just putting a stage,
but creating art installations or experience-based things
within going from stage to stage that just, you know,
increases the joy of the festival goer.
I think new ones keep coming up too.
Right, so it's more than just music now.
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They have so many different festivals based on like,
either whether it's Halloween or,
I mean, EDC Vegas is pretty Vegas oriented.
Yeah, they make it less about the artists
and more about the headliner.
And they say the headliner is the attendees.
Ultimately it's about that.
Yeah, it's about that.
So they bring in all the people, right?
I mean, the people are the headliners.
People are the headliners.
It's like about the experience they're gonna have.
That's an interesting thought process.
Yeah, so it's centric around them.
Okay, and do you like that vibe more?
I like, I just like variation in my experience in general.
I don't think, I think just doing that would be boring
and just doing where everybody's really there
for the songwriting or the singing element,
just diversification, more variance.
Yeah, that makes sense.
I think I get just as much joy
when we perform a festival to a lot of people
where we're experiencing the whole festival
and playing to larger crowds.
It's the same as like playing to a smaller room
where everyone in the room is singing along
to all your music and it's like a sweatier environment and yeah like 500
people in a club where people are closer like yeah I can have just as much fun
playing that as you know the 30,000 crowd sometimes more fun yeah because you
really get to sometimes you're far away stage and see their reaction to your
songs more we're waiting on one of those big stages and there's 30,000, you're not really connecting with,
and like when you're looking at people,
you can't really like see their soul in their eyes,
and when you're at a club and they're right there,
you can see how much fun they're really having.
And your soul, you guys are a little spiritual.
I love it.
I love spirituality actually.
They're not psychedelics, big on like,
I've done past life therapy, I've done all that stuff.
I've done Reiki healing.
That is so cool.
Yeah, it's dope.
I like that.
Do you guys do any of that stuff too?
Yeah.
I believe I lived a past life.
I live my life through the lens of hermetics.
Hermetics.
Hermetics and the main principle of hermetics
is mentalism, basically the external universe
is a reflection of the internal self.
So I focus a lot on maintaining good framing
no matter what energy I'm interacting with on this field.
I love that.
So you're big on energies.
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah, I feel that with certain people I meet.
It's like the first thing I notice now.
Like how do I feel?
Yeah, and if they don't make you feel good
or they make you feel heavy or misalign you with yourself,
then you probably shouldn't interact with that energy.
Absolutely.
Yeah, before they even talk, you can feel it.
You really pay attention.
Well, if you have that sensitivity and the more you pick up and focus on perceiving these
forces, the more you'll be able to navigate the world towards weightlessness.
Absolutely.
Man, we're getting deep here.
I love it.
But no, having 1200 episodes, I've gotten like kind of good at it, I guess.
Just like picking up on energies and stuff.
I used to suck.
Like I used to get scammed.
I used to get like mistaken.
But I've gotten better.
Yeah, it helps with one of the most important emotions,
which is definitely empathy.
Yeah, I've had to develop that to be honest.
Something I lacked growing up.
Feel that.
You know, I don't know if it's like,
I have autism and stuff,
but I don't know what it was, trauma, but I've had to definitely work on like empathy and
emotion stuff. Well yeah, it's about working inward first and seeing yourself
and once you can really see yourself take accountability for self then you
can really see it in others. I think a lot of people don't realize you can
always work on it. Yeah you can. A lot of people think they're stuck. I mean look at Elon Musk like he has
definitely worked on it. You see his past interviews and you see him now. It's
like a totally different person. Yeah. It's impressive. Now I know you guys met in high
school, so how long have you been at this thing I guess? Was it from high school? So
actually in high school we were in the same friend group and in high school I had always
wanted to be a singer and was writing music in the form that I was in high school
while he was a DJ.
And we didn't actually come together
until our second to last year in college
when we were at two different colleges.
We were on Skype every single night.
It all Skyped.
I caught the tail end of Skype.
There's Skype and Uvoo and stuff.
Yeah, we actually, it wasn't Skype,
but there was another program we used
where we could control each other's mouses from,
I was in Virginia.
Team viewer?
Something along those lines.
Or maybe we'd use Skype and then I would share my screen
and she would use the other thing to do her mouse
on the Ableton session, kind of just developing whatever,
that was like the seat of everything.
It wasn't like we had Bonnie and Clyde at that point.
We had a brand that was in our mind,
it was called Vibrato,
which is like the movement of a pitch really fast.
Yeah, that's what it was.
Because I was a singer and I really liked it.
We just thought that was cool,
but I didn't really, once the end of college came around,
but we were making music under it
and I was, we were showing our friends and stuff
for the project that I was working on and I just saw a lot more people like oh this is
cool better reaction and once the end of college came around we were like what are
we gonna do what are we gonna call it what can we really put our you know put
our flag in put our heart into. We both really believed in the music that we
were making and like us as a unit but but it wasn't until the end of college
that we named ourselves.
And I think it was on my graduation day,
I showed my dad our business plan.
And I was like, I'm moving.
And I moved to Miami and we started our project in Miami.
Yeah, we were living $500 a month in the hood of Miami.
I'm saying. Sounds fun.
Yeah, I mean, it's South Side.
It was a grind.
I went to University of Miami.
So like, it was like basically where the Bro broke college kids lived on the other side south side of
the campus and
I'll never forget we lived with
He was a pot dealer and then three doors down was a crack house
I swear we woke up one morning and it was like a music video with the step team and the
Like the ATVs and the barbecue truck and the whole thing and even
Like within that period,
like guys came up on our back porch with guns
and robbed all our friends and all that kind of stuff.
It was really wild experience.
It was wild there.
And we had one gig once a week, $500 a week
up in Fort Lauderdale or Palm Beach, it was called Lux.
And so, you know, making 2K a month between the two of us, just grinding it out
until we made this one song called Rise Above.
And we cold DM'd it to a kid who owned Trap Nation.
And he responded and said,
yo, we're gonna upload this.
He uploaded it.
It got like a million streams or a million hits
in the first couple of weeks.
And that led to like our first manager
and the first wave of momentum.
And then we went on our first tour all around Florida.
And from there it was kind of, things just kept going up
and we just kept continuing to make music.
Got a deal with Insomniac and Interscope,
had a record label together at the time.
And we had this song called Bass Jam
that was maybe three or four months later
and it ended up going number one on US dance radio
And that just then all of a sudden it was just off to the races from there Wow
Yeah, cuz once you get a number one song it's over right like you just say it's over
But it gives you a nice nice year year and a half to and make another it brings a lot of people to your shows
Yeah, know your music and want to keep hearing more. So wow. So you guys worked at a distance at first.
Yeah.
That's crazy.
First year we were making music across Skype, but we never released any of that music.
That was just the.
Like figuring out how we work together, what the vision was for the music and.
You know, just keep it, keeping the connection.
That's impressive.
And what a name to Bonnie Klein.
That's after the old fairy tale, right?
It was the bank robbers.
Or it was a real story, but yeah.
In the 40s, they are 40s.
At the time when we first started making music, too, we made a lot more bass heavy music and
them being bank robbers and had this like edge to them, it made sense for us.
And then the name just started kind of taking off because there aren't many
Guy girl duos in the scene especially ones that also have like a singer that goes out and performs. Yeah, I can't think of any
I would say
The other one that's like pretty big is like Sophie Tucker. Okay
Yeah, they do the same kind of thing where they have a singer and, but they're really aren't. A little different flavor with the sound.
Different flavor, yeah.
That makes sense.
But there aren't a lot.
And that's definitely been a huge thing going for us
over the years is just, there really aren't a lot of acts.
A lot of DJs will bring out other singers
to perform the songs they have with them,
but they're not a singer.
Yeah.
Like consistently performing as a singer.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Have you had to adapt the music,
the style of the music over the years?
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah, so we started off doing bass.
And that was hot at the time.
Future bass, yeah.
Trap music, a lot of banging our head around.
And then we just realized I love songwriting
and I really love writing pop music and our direction just went
more house and now we're definitely in the house lane and we love writing house music
and more floor to the floor stuff that's going to make people dance and sing along.
It's also more palatable for the international market and as we kind of saw more and came to more awareness around what the implications of the sound that we were in,
where it would kind of limit us in a way
where we wanna have a more expanded touring circuit.
And we also, there's this general trend
on when you're younger, like 18 to 21, 24,
that the faster tempo music resonates
with those people more.
That's not for everybody I'm saying generally speaking.
The faster tempo resonates with younger people because they have more energy to move and
go crazy for longer durations of time.
But even as we got older, our preference on tempo slowed down, slowed down to more in
the 120s just kind of dancing and these kind of things because you can do that for longer
durations of times.
And you even see right now there's a genre called Afro House,
which is like a very piano based,
kind of like tribal percussion oriented thing,
but it's very palatable.
So you can party on it for 12 hours.
So if you're, cause it's just enough energy
that it keeps you moving,
but not enough energy that it overstimulates you.
Right.
Yeah.
So kind of finding that,
the balance between that and where we were
for where, you know, just feels right for us
wherever we are in our energy right now.
Also, we were just organically making more songs
that had fully written material or in the past,
I mean, we played a lot of rooms that people show up
just to bang their head to the bass.
And I'm telling you, I've sung in front of their faces
and they're looking at me like, please stop singing.
It'd be like a rock show where people just wanna mosh.
Why?
Like the comparable audience to bass music and rock
and wanting to mosh, they just wanna bang their head.
The mosh pits you're talking about.
Or they'd be like the snobs at the front rail
just like looking at me singing like,
please stop singing.
Waiting for you to play a faster song.
Waiting for the bass.
So kind of seeing the fans transfer
and also grow with us.
Yeah, we wanna bring in the people.
But I also feel like the market in general,
people are becoming more palatable
to loving more genres of music
and not being such a, you know,
snob on what the genre is.
So that's been cool as well.
Have you guys ever been in the mosh pit?
Oh yeah. Yeah.
You like getting in there?
I mean, during our shows we definitely created them.
We used to.
I get pretty scared, I'm not gonna lie.
Just put that, I mean.
Some of them are wild.
There was one time I like jumped on top of a crowd
at a festival and I never did it again.
Oh, you crowd surfed?
Yeah. They didn't carry me up the whole way.
Oh, damn.
Yeah, I didn't get too hurt, but it was like,
okay, I won't be doing this again.
The whole mosh pit at a dance music oriented thing
is there's this underlying culture around plur,
just peace, love, unity, respect.
So if someone gets down or falls within the pits
at these festivals, they're getting picked up
and people are very, it's more of a loving environment and not like, let me thrash and
like I've seen the rock and punk shows where people are literally punching each other in
the face and swinging their arms.
Especially rap shows too.
I've seen that.
That's the ones I'm talking about.
Rap shows are a lot different.
Yeah I haven't been to an EDM like event, but I've been to the rap ones and the mosh
pits are actually sketchy. Yeah there's, I haven't seen a single fightM like event, but I've been to the rap ones and the mosh pits are actually sketchy.
Yeah, I haven't seen a single fight
on one of our shows before.
Wow, that's actually insane.
No, base stages even at like EDM festivals,
although they go hard in mosh pits,
they are very kind compared to like a mosh pit
at a rap show.
Like I wouldn't go near that.
Well, it's the energy of the artist, you know,
it's what they're putting out into the world
and if you're putting out from a place of love and light then you're gonna get that
back with the people that are gravitating towards you versus maybe some of the hip-hop
artists are talking about certain themes that gravitate people that are on some darker energy
that leads to that kind of tension and also the uh what they're consuming there's people
consuming different chemicals compared to alcohol at dance shows,
which leads to less aggression as well.
I don't know.
Is that the psychedelics you're talking about?
Yeah, alcohol tends to make people a little angrier.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, that's facts though.
The type of music, the frequencies you're putting out.
Do you guys look into the frequencies at all?
We do.
That's cool.
I like that.
Big on 432.
That's my favorite one, bro.
That's the best one, right?
Whenever I'm feeling a little sick or down I pop up a frequency like a healing one or
a love one and it actually changes me.
Those are the self-eggios you're talking about.
Yeah.
So are you into meditation?
Yeah.
That's great.
You guys meditate?
Yeah.
That's cool.
What form I guess?
Because mine's different but...
I feel like right now I'm meditating like centering my energy using a mudra, keeping my energy
inward and just staying calm and being true. I'm meditating, centering my energy using a mudra, keeping my energy in word and just staying calm and being true.
I'm similar, yeah.
I don't do the set one where you're like eyes closed and stuff.
Yeah, I don't prefer that.
In the shower I feel like I am a lot,
or when I'm running or working out.
Yeah, even driving.
Driving, I zone out.
I'm like, damn, I've been driving for 20 minutes.
Driving is a meditation in itself.
I actually, I mean mean my meditation practices have changed
here and there, but I tend to meditate a lot,
especially like when I'm home in the morning
of like a practice that I do.
That's cool.
Yeah, breath work's been huge for me too.
Breath work's great.
So sick.
I had some actual like chest pain the other day
and I thought it was like something I ate,
but it was anxiety.
And then I did a Wim Hof breath work,
went away completely.
Wow.
Just from breath work.
That's amazing.
It's insane, right?
Yeah, I mean, actually like I can,
I'm ascending into the universe
in the speed of light when I'm doing that.
Yeah, I mean, it's game changer
because people try to put you on pills and stuff
to fix your mental health.
Yeah.
It's like, you could just do breath work and grounding.
I agree with that.
Yeah, and I think giving yourself breaks
of substances is really good.
Like right now I'm doing a wave of sobriety just to find that next layer of self.
And then, but I'm like zero or a hundred so like I can party,
but I always maintain control too and never lose sight of momentum.
It's like all those forces bouncing at once.
But if anybody's struggling with the anxiety and these type of things,
I think cutting off everything is the best thing
for at least a month.
And you'll see, like,
and then start to understand the source
of where those emotions are coming from
and then going into the reframing of them.
Simplify your lifestyle, right?
We were talking right before we filmed
about your guy's schedule.
So have you experienced like burnout
or just feeling stress and anxiety
living on the road so much?
I was just having this conversation
with a friend the other day.
I do think, I don't have an addictive personality,
but I do find that I'm a bit addicted to being busy
because my schedule is just, I'm so busy all the time
that it's hard for me to relax.
That's why I do meditate and like force myself
into these scenarios that calm myself.
Like recently I came off like a long busy weekend
and I immediately started jumping into another activity
of like being busy.
And I think that we do have to be a little more intentional
on relaxing and finding calm because we're just always go,
go, go.
I think our generation right now is just like that's all because even social media, it's
like you're constantly on something or you constantly feel like you need to be doing
something.
Yeah, I just think our schedule causes us to be really busy. So. Whenever I have those thoughts of,
am I, oh, this is too much or those type of things,
I always just come back to gratitude and be like,
but like, I get to do this.
This is what we get to do.
Like, why would I complain about anything?
Right.
And then it just helps me bring myself back to chilling.
I could relate to both of that.
Yeah, I have a gratitude journal every morning.
That's great.
Non-negotiable, 10 things.
Yeah, it helps a lot.
And then, yeah, if I just sit around,
I feel like uncomfortable at home.
Like I need to be doing something.
We need momentum, bro.
That's what we're all chasing.
We actually don't care about the end goal
as much as we do of just having some sort of momentum
in some way.
Right, because I feel like I'm going backward
if not doing anything.
Yeah. But I do feel like I'm going backward not doing anything.
But I do feel like I experienced burnout,
but I wouldn't even know that it's burnout
because I just like fight through it and continue working.
I did that for years and then it led to panic attacks.
Oh wow.
Because it'll come up if you just put it to the side.
Yeah.
So I had to like face it head on.
That was tough.
Yeah, I think my meditation and my morning routine
helps me for sure.
Absolutely, I wasn't doing any of that in college.
I was just partying, sleeping four hours a day,
and then the stress added up,
and then it just collapsed on the floor.
Yeah, definitely no scrolling in the morning.
Don't interact with the phone in that way,
because that leads to you conditioning your day
around the micro dopamine hits associated with doing that,
rather than doing all the things that you're talking about,
or just stretch or drink some water.
Also, it doesn't really give your brain
like the chance to do what it would wanna do
and you're kind of automatically influenced
by whatever you're watching.
Yeah, that's a bad habit for sure.
I try to get into a creation cycle in the morning
where it like trains my brain to crave more creating.
Yeah, I'd love to talk to you guys about your creative process because there's so many distractions
these days.
It must be really hard to lock down and focus, right?
We are very different creators.
Oh, you're different?
I think that it's a benefit to our project that we're very different.
But yeah, we're just we're different.
I think I'm like way more the type of creator where I like to,
I mean, on the go, I'm constantly voice memo-ing.
I get influenced by whatever I'm experiencing in life,
and I'll create in my voice memos and bring it to Ableton.
But I find I create the best when I'm just alone
and not influenced by anything.
And I think that he's a little bit more strategic
with creation, but you speak for yourself. anything and I think that he's a little bit more strategic
with creation but you see for yourself.
Yeah, I mean, when I'm making something,
I like to understand why and who's it for
and what is the emotion that I'm trying to evoke
out of the person that's gonna be consuming
for what purpose, what's the offer
and it could be as simple as to make them smile.
It doesn't have to be so deep,
but as long as I'm understanding,
kind of like, oh, we gotta get to Mars.
That's the mission.
And then kind of setting the frame along with the mission.
And I feel like that's honestly
what's really helped with our dynamic
because she's over here throwing all these ideas
at the wall and then I'm able to kind of like
funnel them into something that serves the market.
So you're like the visionary and he kind of is more tactical.
I am always, I just have like all these ideas that I want
and it bugs me sometimes, although I do,
now that I've been doing this for so long,
I do reference tracks and get inspired
from like what other people are doing,
but I just love the uniqueness that comes
from like your own mind and like,
I have so many ideas all the time
that I just want to expand on what I already have going on
because I'm such a creative.
But I respect and enjoy how much he really thinks about
what's going on in the scene and taking my ideas in a way
and really putting them in a place.
But every song is different too.
And it's every moment and how we're feeling and where we are with each other
or when our own individual journeys.
And some songs is as simple as, hey, let's go sit down and start making a song
and then we'll just start.
And then whatever that first, whether it's a chord progression, a drum loop,
vocal idea will be like the seed of inspiration, right?
And then it just starts growing.
Here's a new branch, here's a new branch,
here's a new branch,
and we just start building that tree of creation.
I love that.
Have you guys used AI to make any songs yet?
Yeah.
Yeah, definitely in the context of,
what song do we use AI that came out?
What hasn't come out.
Yeah, I don't think we put out music,
but we've made like intros,
and like we had Morgan Freeman do our intro
Oh, that's cool. They I yeah, and that's allowed. Yeah, cuz we're not we're not distributing it for
Anything other than our shows. Oh, wow. That's cool. We also have been taking my voice and
like a way for us to hear an
Idea with my voice without me having to record the whole thing. It's just using AI. Oh, yeah
We've trained a model so if people send us demos an idea with my voice without me having to record the whole thing, it's just using AI. My voice.
It's a lot.
So if people send us demos, I can go and separate,
because now you can separate stems with AI.
So take whatever demo gets sent, separate the stems,
take the vocal stem, put it into our.
So I hear myself singing it.
Our boy actually created it.
Really?
And it sounds like you?
Yeah, hooky.io.
Oh, it sounds just like me, it's really crazy.
It makes me feel like, sometimes I'm like,
okay, well, there are parts that it's not hitting perfectly,
which feels good, but at the same time I'm like,
oh no, if I lose my voice, I'll be good.
But it's also scary.
That is crazy, so they could bring dead people back.
Oh yeah.
Well, they need a model, so in theory they could pull
the stems out of some, you know, to see Stardust tracks
and remake a model and do it. Yeah, definitely
Yeah, I remember when the Drake songs the fake ones got leaked and they were like viral
He got pissed and took him down or whatever it did you see if he took him down or not or he requested to his label
Yeah, but I don't think there's grounds unless you can prove that the source of the AI model was him in which case you could
Hmm, but if you pulled it from videos where that's public domain
versus the actual tracks and then you get into a whole legal
argument that's not fully flushed out yet.
So that's like a whole landscape that's currently developing.
Well, it's cool to see you guys embrace it.
Cause I know there's both ends of it.
Some artists are not like feeling it.
So yeah, like right now anybody could go onto this website called
hooky that our boy created and use her voice to create a song and
then they send it to us to approve it or not approve it and there's like a
licensing model really associated with that. Oh I think it's cool like anyone
can go and use my voice and yes we have to approve it but it just creates more
of an opportunity to have like a phenomenal song with my voice on it.
Yeah.
Somebody's sending us and more chances to go viral.
Exactly.
I've got any of them got some traction yet?
No, there haven't been any songs that have come out under this model.
It's a new super new tool that we're not necessarily pushing super hard because we're waiting for
the the algorithm or the was it the model to get a little bit better.
Makes sense, yeah.
It probably gets better over time with the more reps.
Oh yeah, exactly.
Yeah, it's only getting better.
That's cool, I love that.
Well, where are you guys performing next?
F1 this weekend.
Yeah?
Yeah. Oh, nice.
The paddock on Friday.
Let's go, that's gonna be blast.
Have you guys done F1 yet?
We went to F1 in Miami just to go.
That was super, that was super fun. Yeah. We did like the
whole police escort going in. It's actually a really cool story. Our last F1 we met Tiesto.
Well, yeah, that's actually crazy. We had been chatting with him a bit through DMs,
but it was our first time meeting him right before he performed. Together, together. Nice.
And after we had met him, he was mentioning how he liked one of our songs.
And long story short, a week later, or that Monday,
he had his team reach out to us for us to open for him at the Brooklyn Mirage in New York that next week.
Whoa.
And so we went from just meeting him at F1 to then opening for him at the Brooklyn Mirage in New York that next week. Whoa. And so we went from just meeting him at F1
to then opening for him at the Brooklyn Mirage
the next week, it was an epic experience for us.
That's insane, opening for Tieso,
that's like one of the goats, right?
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah, it was amazing.
And it just, it definitely formed this relationship
where now we really are excited to like
put out a song with him.
Yeah, we're gonna put something together.
Beautiful.
Have you done anything with Aoki yet?
He's out here. No, we haven't done anything with Aoki yet? He's out here.
No, we haven't done anything with Aoki.
No?
Yeah, I know he's everywhere.
We played some shows with him though.
Yeah, we did a show with him in Texas.
In Texas?
Yeah.
He's in a new state every day.
Midland.
Midland.
He's all over.
And then on Saturday we play in Mississippi.
We play a fraternity party in Ole Miss.
Fraternity parties?
You're still doing like home parties?
Hell yeah.
Oh, dope.
Oh yeah, I mean if they they come correct
Yeah, the big South schools they got it. Oh yeah. Yeah, they got the donors
Fun shows because the college kids are like that in that area of life
They're like starting the trends and like that's true. Once you turn them on to your music. It's good
They got a lot of influence, right?
Yeah, and there's gonna be a period eventually
where we're gonna be priced out of that whole scene.
And it's fun for us to go back year after year
and hear the minds of the 21, 19, whatever age they are
and how they think about the world, what they care about,
the music they're listening to.
And I try to ask as many questions these kids as possible.
That's cool.
So that I can stay in touch.
We get to hang out with them before the show.
Yeah, keeps you in touch with the culture, right?
Definitely.
When I had Mike Posner on the show,
he talked about how his start was in college campuses.
Oh, yeah.
That's how he started his career.
Yeah, I feel like a lot of people are like that.
That's interesting.
Yeah, because I guess when you're starting out,
that's like a perfect audience to kind of test it, right?
Absolutely, and I feel like uh the Bonnie and Clyde dynamic the girl guy thing the whole formal
You know how frats and the girls and they're all trying to interact it creates a cool dynamic where they keep they keep bringing us back
Right, and they're just so open to
New music I find when we play new music. They, they just get hype over anything. Yeah. Yeah.
It's fun.
Have you guys bet on Polymarket before?
So I did, the time where I actually used Polymarket,
but I didn't put money into Polymarket
because I don't hold crypto,
is I bet with my bookies on the election.
Okay.
And I used it as the indicator on what to bet.
And I hit everything.
And also while we were watching the news,
I had another screen over here on Polymarket
and it indicated way before the news cycle came out.
I saw that.
Yeah, we knew it was over way before it was over.
You saw they arrested the CEO, right?
Probably because they're taking money out of America.
I don't know what happened,
but I think the FBI raided his house or whatever whoa because
he knew the election results before they came out right yeah so they were like how do you
know that I was wondering that's actually on the market it moves based on
the demand of the crowd so you just feel it's in it it's a yeah you knew like
four hours before right well we it was 95% but that's because people are selling and buying right? It's not knowing what it is. Yeah, but like that's why I know you gotta rest it
Yeah, this was like a week ago. Yeah actually heard about that. Yeah, I mean, that's a tough game
That's a tough business to try to create shout out to that guy. It's a cool business
Yeah, got some powerful enemies in the sports gambling world for sure a lot of money in that yeah
But there's one bet on there right now who will be billboard number one pop star of the century?
Is there a list are you?
Taylor Swift Beyonce or other oh
God, I mean, it's Swift
Yeah, yeah, she's at 87% right now. Yeah, I mean she yeah, she tends to take all the W's there
Yeah, she's number one right now everywhere, right? Yeah.
Even in the NFL.
Even like on our set, like I'll play a Taylor Swift song.
Yeah?
Yeah, hell yeah, I love seeing them sing.
And do the guys react to it or just the girls?
I mean, ultimately if the girls are happy,
the guys are happy.
What's wild is I'm a Taylor Swift fan,
but I'm way more of a fan of her first,
like when she was country.
I hear that a lot.
Yeah, I'm not, not that I don't respect her
as a songwriter moving forward into the other genres
I just think she was so good at what she was initially writing
But I almost just want her to go back there because when I hear a lot of her pop music
I'm like, yeah, it's tough because you got to adapt to the numbers and pops probably number one or now I'd assume right?
What's popular so so yeah, you saw Drake go from like hip-hop to kind of pop and yeah people were like I missed the old Drake
But he still like has done it all I think
Not a lot of people make it that long. So the longevity is what is impressive, you know, yeah, absolutely
Same with your space. I'm sure people don't last long, right? Yeah
I've been really lucky to last a decade a decades a long time in this space
Yeah, and we're gonna go two more three more. Let's go. Yeah. I love it.
Well, uh you're performing at F1. Where else can people find
you guys? Spotify, Apple Music, Instagram but the most
important thing is the music. So, wherever you listen to
music, go listen to that. Bonnie Clyde. Spotify is a great
place. Okay. We'll link it below. Thanks for coming on
guys. That was fun. Thank you so much. Thanks for watching
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