Digital Social Hour - How AI Is Transforming Cybersecurity & Business | Ephraim Ebstein DSH #1244

Episode Date: March 18, 2025

🚀 How is AI reshaping cybersecurity and revolutionizing businesses? Tune in now to this exciting episode of the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly! Join cybersecurity expert Ephraim Ebstein as he shares how he built a $30M business, navigated the challenges of AI integration, and tackled the evolving landscape of cybersecurity. 💼  From AI replacing jobs to driving innovation, Ephraim breaks down how businesses can stay ahead in this fast-moving digital age. Discover how advanced AI tools are automating processes, enhancing customer service, and even transforming industries like fast food, healthcare, and IT. 🌐💡 Plus, hear fascinating stories about cyber threats, ransomware attacks, and the strategies companies are using to defend against them. This episode is packed with valuable insights for entrepreneurs, tech enthusiasts, and anyone curious about the future of AI in business. Don’t miss out! Watch now and subscribe for more insider secrets. 📺 Hit that subscribe button and stay tuned for more eye-opening stories on the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly! 🚀 CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 00:28 - Ephraim Ebstein Interview 01:36 - AI Technology Concerns 05:01 - SRGpros Overview 06:55 - Diversity, Equity, Inclusion (DEI) 09:18 - Going Public Strategies 12:49 - Cyber Attacks Awareness 17:30 - Changing Perspectives on Money 18:45 - Spearfishing Techniques 20:40 - Shark Encounter Stories 25:42 - Orcas in the Wild 27:25 - Octopus Behavior Insights 29:14 - Hunting Practices 33:46 - Raw Food Diet for Dogs 40:24 - Learning from Failures 43:16 - The Role of Luck 46:49 - Influences and Copying 50:34 - Importance of Education 52:49 - Energy Drainers 54:10 - Red Pill Movement Explained 56:40 - Social Media and Dating Impact 1:00:45 - Getting Married Younger Trends 1:04:06 - Where to Find Ephraim 1:04:25 - Outro APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail] GUEST: Ephraim Ebstein https://www.instagram.com/kingspear/ SPONSORS: SPECIALIZED RECRUITING GROUP:  https://www.srgpros.com/ LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ Digital Social Hour works with participants in sponsored media and stays compliant with Federal Communications Commission (FCC) regulations regarding sponsored media. #adventure  #robertherjavec #managedserviceproviders #ai #jasonalbuquerque #artificialintelligence #bugbounty #digitaleconomy #digitaltransformationtrends #cybersecurity #businessautomation

my gun out. I was like, if he gets too close or he opens his mouth, I'm going to have to shoot this thing. He like comes at me, turns right at like right the last second, shoots up to the surface and goes in my buddy who was like chopping the fish up on the surface. He goes and like gobbles it and swims off. No way. Yeah. And I go up to the surface. Yeah. He was like, that was a bullshark. We need to get out of the water. All right guys, Efrem Epstein here today from San Diego, cybersecurity expert. Thanks for coming on, man. Yeah, man.

Thank you, Sean. Absolutely. It's a pleasure. I'm excited to be on your podcast. Yeah. I'm a big fan. So for those that don't know you, you built a $30 million business in revenue

with 116 employees. Yeah, sir. Yeah. So in IT, cybersecurity, and now we're doing a lot in AI. So it's been a fun ride. I love being an entrepreneur and I love the business side of it. You know, IT and cyber and AI is kind of what we do, but it's more about the mission to impact lives through technology and help people positively and have a great time. I love it, man. When was the pivot to AI?

Were you on it pretty early? The AI pivot was probably like a year ago. So I wouldn't say super early, but I think right now is still super early because it's moving fast, but the majority of businesses still don't have AI in the company, like actively replacing headcount or something like that, right? They might be using applications to like give them ideas on writing papers or creating images or video, but the way AI is going, it's kind of sad and kind of scary in some sense, but is going to replace a lot of jobs. You're already seeing it on certain drive-throughs when you call and make

your order, you're talking to AI and not a human yet. Oh, I haven't seen that yet. Yeah. A fast food spot? Yeah, some fast food spots are adopting that. So that's a job, right? That's someone's job. But it's, you know, a lot of business owners are saying, hey, how do we bring AI into this business? We don't want to get left behind. What do we do? And so as I was, you know, diving into AI, I wanted not just a feature set, but I wanted something that is like, where is it actively adding revenue to the company

or replacing a task that a human does? And where we've landed on is texting. So, because the voice is getting there, it's not quite a hundred percent there. I think it'll be there in about a year. But right now texting, you can communicate via text with an AI and the majority, you know, the majority of people will not know they're talking to an AI and the majority, you know, the majority of people will not

know they're talking to an AI. Dude, have you seen Apple's new AI update? I haven't played with it yet. What? Yeah, I need to. My God. Update your phone tonight. It's in my text now.

I just got the update. I just haven't, I just haven't played with it yet. Yeah. So basically when I open my messages now, you know how normally the text pops up. Yep. Now AI summarizes what they said and sends you a summary of each text. Yeah. It's nuts.

It's so like someone can send a paragraph text and AI will summarize it for you in like a sentence. There you go. Yeah. So it's already, it's the rate it's going is, is pretty insane. And I've already heard some of the AI voice stuff and I wouldn't say it's like 10 out of 10, you know, it's and I wouldn't say it's like 10 out of 10. You know it's not a human, but it kind of made me sad when I heard it because I realized

the reason it made me sad is it was with one of our partners. He's creating a voice and he was already like it was doing solar sales in this case. And I was listening to that and I was like, man, all those customer service and I could have a full conversation right about solar, all those customer service jobs when you're gonna call AT&T, Verizon, big companies, small companies might not adopt it because they want to have high customer service, but the ones that don't care, I'm like, all those jobs are gonna be toast in a few years. Wow.

Yeah. So I don't know, it's going to be tough for people. I think in the long run, it may be good because now it forces people to have higher skill levels. Yeah. If you have a high skill level, there's going to be a lot of opportunity for you. It's the low skill people. So, you know, I guess if you're a young person, get good, get a skill. Yeah. And learn a skill that can't be, I guess, duplicated easily by AI. But even podcasts, man. Holy crap. There's some really convincing AI podcasts. I already saw some of them pretty...

Google, I think, has a podcast AI. Yeah. Yeah. It's nuts. So even I'm thinking of ways to differentiate this podcast from just talking to people. Yeah. I don't think it'll ever... I don't know. There's some things I think AI will never be as good as a human. And maybe... Until it develops. Yeah. Who knows? it'll ever, I don't know, there's some things I think AI will never be as good as a human and maybe until I don't, yeah, who knows. Yeah, until it develops consciousness, it won't be able to replicate emotions, I think, as well as humans. Right. So we got some years before that, hopefully. Yeah, hopefully. And then it goes Terminator.

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So that's kind of what we've been doing on the AI. It's been pretty fun. It's been growing really rapidly and it's been fun. You know, we always, as a company, we have to evolve. And I realize that companies that don't evolve, you know, they're the usual left in the dust. Yeah. I think that's a smart move, man. Because if you're not using AI in any way, I don't know if that's gonna be sustainable in the long run. Probably not unless it's just a blue collar job. But even then, you know, the companies that, you know, maybe you go on the website, you ask a question,

you're conversating immediately with AI versus a company that didn't have that, and have an advantage, you're gonna take a bigger market share. I mean, I've left banks because the wait time is like three hours. Exactly. You know what I mean? Like I'd rather talk to at least AI

so I could get some answers. Yeah, if you can get the job done for you, you're gonna be happy. Yeah, absolutely. So you built this thing to over a hundred employees during that process, you were not a fan of DEI. You know, the way I grew up is is we grew up, my parents always taught me to value people for who they are on the inside and merit.

And so I've always, that's been really important to me. But I'm not on the DEI train at all. And I feel that the whole DEI, well now it's becoming unpopular. But it was very popular and there was a lot of pressure on companies to implement different DI things even on the private sector. Remember when the whole Black Lives Matter thing happened, you know, everyone's posting the black square. If you don't post it, like, what are you saying about yourself? And when I build my company, I believe in merit and you know, the world rewards you on results. And so hiring the best person

for the job, regardless of their skin color, I think that is a much better system than trying to hire someone just based on their skin color and trying to you know fit a certain quota in. And so I have a very diverse staff in fact my COO and she's also now my business partner on a venture together. She's I've been friends with her since we were 15. Wow. Yeah, her name is Natasha great friend of mine dear friend of mine and she's black she's woman and Her being in the role has really nothing to do with her skin color or anything like that Yeah, it's just that she's just amazing at what she does and she gets results. That's how it should be That's how that's how we roll. That's why I like business. That's why I'm a fan of capitalism to a certain degree.

I like conscious capitalism. I like when the consumers are also benefiting. Yeah. I mean, definitely like capitalism has probably a dark side, which we've seen, but it is good to let the market decide and have that freedom because I mean, I feel like socialism is more broken than capitalism. They're both probably got negatives to them. Time will tell, right? Yeah. We'll see what happens. So when you, because last year you did 30 million in revenue, right? We did 30 million. Yeah. And we had a really interesting event. So, in 23, our company had never known anything but growth from the time we started in

the end of 2012 was when I started it. And then in 23, we did 28 million. And I had a situation where I have a very large customer and they were going public. They were nursing home operator, made up over at that time over 70% of our revenue. So a really bad place to be. But I love this customer because a lot of our growth, I have to give credit where credit is due is because of their expansion. And we got to go on that ride with them. But they said, Hey, we're going public. And at this point, they're over 300 nursing homes. Every single one we onboarded, we helped support, we went through every lifecycle with them where we've helped them, where we were everything

all their IT, all their cybersecurity to helping them hire their first IT director, to helping them build their team. And then in the summer of 23, they said, Hey, you know, you're a great partner. We love you, but we're going public and we're going to take a lot of this in house over the next year and a half, which is when the contract was expiring. So I was stressed out. I was worried for the employees. And because I asked like, man, what's going to be painful? What if I have to lay off a lot of employees?

I was scared. So what I did instead is I went to them, I said, hey, how about this? What if we you buy out of the contract now, you hire basically these employees purchase from us in essence a division of the company will give you the IP all the information will give you turnkey what you need from the IT side make sure it's super successful you take these employees with you and it was great it was great for them because they saved money on the contract it was great for us because we made more on that sale than we would have in net profit from keeping the contract for a year and a half. And I saved everybody but three jobs. We had three layoffs. I helped two of them actually find another job

after that. So it was really a net loss of one job, which probably had to go anyway. But job, which probably had to go anyway. But it was a huge success story. So it reset us on four. So that was all positive. The only thing is now it reset us. We lost $9 million in recurring revenue. So my intention and my goal was in 23. I was like, or at the end 24. I was like, I want to do the same amount of revenue in 24 that we did in 23. So we had to basically make back nine million dollars in revenue plus and we outperformed it. So yeah, yeah, we did 30. Incredible. Awesome. Yeah. Sometimes those setbacks are blessings in disguise, right? It was because we're a way better, stronger organization now, right? More diverse in the

client base. We had to get stronger in our processes and refined in what we were doing. Because when you have one really large customer, it's easy to get absorbed in taking care of them. And, you know, even though you're building processes, you know, they don't really get put to the same test, they don't get stretched as hard as when you have a diverse client base, which is the way it should be. So it was a blessing. So our nursing homes targets for these cyber attacks, I'd imagine because it's an elderly crowd. People are trying to... Oh, for sure. Yeah. For, you know, we were doing IT as well as cyber for them. So, you know, IT support is, they it immediately if you can't pran or can't like run a chart or run a med cart and do, you know, medical passes or something, it's a big deal. But cyber attacks are a big thing. And I think

every business is just getting hammered by it because the reason it's such a big thing now is that these criminal groups, a lot of them run like companies. So, there's a boss, a lot of them are overseas and they have employees and they staff employees even give them like health coverage, have an office they come into and they hire smart people and they just work as a team to exploit legitimate companies and get money out of them. And it works and there's very little consequences for them. Right.

You call the FBI. If you don't have a case over a million dollars, they won't even, they just say tough luck, call your insurance. Yeah. So it has to be for them to even open a case has to be over a million dollars loss. And then when they start the investigation as soon as they start doing some forensics they see this is going overseas even if the group is in the United States they'll connect

overseas and then connect back. Oh VPN. Yeah VPN and all kinds of things and then they're like oh we don't have jurisdiction there sorry case closed. That's why less than 2% there's any kind of, um, resolution. That's crazy. Yeah. From a legal standpoint, from cons. Yeah. Cause a lot of these guys are probably international.

So yeah, yeah. Maybe the country they're in doesn't even care. Cause I know there's a lot of hackers in North Korea. Yeah. A lot of crypto hackers over there. Yeah, exactly. They don't, they don't care. And they'll, we had a, uh, uh, they cleaned out over a $2 million out of his crypto.

Holy crap. They got his keys or how did they get it? I don't know exactly how they did it. He was talking to us to see if, if we could help with them. He never actually ended up hiring us, but he lost it. I don't think he ever got. That's terrible. Yeah. Crypto. Once you lose it, you're not really yeah Like really what can they do? I got sin hacked once that sucked. Have you seen that hack before? Yeah That's like the worst. Yeah, if they get your SIM card, they got all your texts and everything everything. Yeah your email Yeah, they can do multifactor authentication get in as you and yeah There's a lot of carriers that really I guess tighten their security when that started happening because they were getting sued

Yeah for allowing that Yeah, I know the MGM here here in Vegas. The MGM one was a really big that was a big one Yeah, $10 million or something. I was more and they paid it right? Yeah, they paid it because that the money that they were losing of not being operational was was more then money that they were losing of not being operational was more than, you know, I don't know how many millions they were losing per day. Probably a lot because you got the rooms plus the gambling. People couldn't gamble. Yeah, it's a big deal.

Yeah. So the way they did that, so a lot of the hacks actually start with social engineering. That's exactly what it was. They hired a new IT person on the team. And obviously, MGM has a huge IT team. So he was like administrator. He updated his LinkedIn. So I'm assuming they just saw his LinkedIn. Saw that he got a job at MGM. So they called the help desk, pretending to be him, said it, you know, hey, this is, you know, John the new dot dot dot, can you help reset my password? I can't get in.

So the IT, the IT help desk group reset his password. They logged in as him. They now had access because he was an IT administrator in the environment, had access to the server infrastructure. Immediately, it was a, the group started doing multiple people working on it, started going through the environment, started staging ransomware, pushed it out, locked it all up. Nuts. And nothing ever happened to those hackers, I believe.

That's what I saw. Got rich. They got rich, but nothing trouble wise. No, absolutely not. Now they got to probably have more money to hire more staff and they went after a Caesar's the next week, I believe. Yeah. Caesar's palace.

Yeah. And they own a bunch of casinos in Vegas week I believe. Yeah. Caesars Palace. Yeah. And they own a bunch of casinos in Vegas. I don't know how that one went, but crazy. They work. Yeah, it works. It works good. And it's not just a lot of companies think that or business owners just think, oh, it's the big companies that MGM stuff like that.

No, no, the majority of it. MGM, everyone knows it and it's big. So it made the news. By far, the majority of it is only smaller businesses. Because they're easy, low-hanging fruit. Absolutely. Has your view of money changed over the years as you've made more and more? Absolutely.

Yeah. So, you know, growing up, I grew up middle class. We weren't poor, but we weren't rich at all. You know, camping trip was vacation. Yeah. Right. Yeah. We weren't like flying on a yacht or anything like that.

So, you know, we grew up with middle-class financial literacy. And it wasn't until much later I learned financial literacy through mentors. And unless you're born into like a rich parents that teach you this or unless you go out and find mentors, which most people don't do, you're really not going to learn it because you're not going to learn in school. So you know just how I invest, how I think about saving, everything about it has changed from a financial literacy thing. But also, you know, for me. Experiences being able to do things. Freedom is much more important to me than money itself.

Money is just like the unit, the freedom unit to get it done. Yeah. Yeah. I bet you feel freedom when you're spearfishing. I love that. I was wondering if you could break that up. Yeah. I bet you feel freedom when you're spearfishing. I love that. Yeah. I was wondering if you could bring that up. Yeah, I love spearfishing.

I love being on the ocean. We did this really cool trip this last summer. Lived on a catamaran for five days, sailing different islands in Fiji, and got to do a lot of spearfishing, it was great. I've never done it. It seems pretty fun. It is fun. It's basically snorkeling, holding your breath, diving down.

It's like hunting underwater trying to get fish that way. What's the biggest fish you've caught? I got a fish that was close. I didn't get an official weight. It was close to 300 pounds. What? Yeah. Holy crap. Yeah, I'll show you a picture.

Dude. So you need to have... Down in Mexico. You shoot it in the head, right? That's how it... That ideally, yeah, ideally you shoot them in the head or yeah in the spine Holy crap. 300 pounds. Yeah, I was close to 300 and it was funny two weeks later. So that fish I shot and We, you know, prepared it. I eat all the fish. So I had a lot of meat. And that fish was kind of tough because it was so big, so old. And people, it didn't

taste bad, but it was like kind of chewy. Yeah. You see that with lobsters too. Yeah. So I kind of felt bad afterwards because we weren't gobbling it up like we did the other, the other meat. And about three weeks later I was out again in the same area and I saw one I swear this thing must have been five six hundred pounds. A fish? Yeah it was it looked like a Volkswagen. It was so big and I could have shot him he swam by me a couple times but I didn't shoot him because I had already just shot a big one we weren't eating the meat and I wasn't there him because I had already just shot a big one.

We weren't eating the meat and I wasn't there about killing it. And now, yeah, I let him go. But it was pretty cool. It was a really cool experience. It was a big fish. I didn't know fish got that big. Yeah, they get big. There's some that are over a thousand pounds in the ocean.

Yeah, mardilins and tunas and stuff. You see any sharks when you're out there? You know, I do. I don't see them a lot. In fact, I had my first scary shark experience just this last summer. Before that I had seen sharks, but never anything that was like, that I had any kind of adrenaline rush where I was scared. And in Fiji, we're trying to get dog tooth tuna. So we had shot this smaller fish and we were chopping it up and like letting it float out.

And the idea was to try and get these because the dog tooth will come and eat it. So I was waiting for it. I was diving down. I was about, I think I was around 60 feet at that dive. And I saw shark. There was sharks all over this down there in the South Pacific. But they're mostly reef sharks. And this was like, huh, that one's a little bit bigger.

And most of the time when the sharks are around, I'll just like swim aggressively towards them and they'll just take off. Yeah, so if you act aggressive, they're like, oh, I don't want nothing to do with this guy. So I was like, huh, that's a little bit bigger one. Maybe I should swim towards him and like intimidate him a little bit and I start swimming Towards him and he like when I start doing that he was kind of going off to the side He mute like whips a u-turn start swimming out me. No way Yeah as fast as he can and I I remember it was like slow motion because he had all these little like yellow fish like swimming next

to him and I Was like man, I. I put my gun out. I was like, if he gets too close or he opens his mouth, I'm going to have to shoot this thing. He like comes at me, turns right at like right the last second, shoots up to the surface and goes in my buddy who was like chopping the fish up on the surface. He goes and like gobbles it and swims off. No way.

Yeah. And I go up to the surface and he was like, yeah, he was like, that was a bull shark. We need to get out of the water. And I had seen bull sharks in videos, but I hadn't dove the south. I dove a lot of Mexico, a lot of the Pacific. I dove Indonesia and stuff, but I hadn't done like a lot of, I hadn't had a bull shark encounter yet. So that was my first one. And it wasn't till like after I was on the boat,

I was like, oh man, that was kind of sketchy. Like, yeah, I didn't like feel scared in the moment, but afterwards I'm like, man, that would have been, yeah, that would have been pretty bad. Dude, that's nuts. How big was it? Oh man, I want want to he was fat. He was very fat and he was I want to say maybe eight feet with tail like that.

Yeah, maybe a little longer with the tail. I wonder if your your spear gun would have killed that. Oh, yeah, he would. He would. I would have like the sharks have thicker skin, too, right? Yeah, the spear gun. It would it would have went through. Oh, well, he would have been Jack. He would have like... The sharks have thicker skin too, right? Yeah, the spear gun, it would have went through. He would have been jacked. He would have died. Which is, I didn't want to do that either.

But I probably would have lost a lot of that gear. Yeah. Bent up the shaft and all that kind of stuff. Damn, that is scary man. Bull sharks are one of the most aggressive. Yeah, but that's if I have a shot, which I did in this case. Like he was coming straight at me. I mean if he had come behind me or something then I might be out of luck and he was solo. He was solo

Yeah, so so he said okay. Let's let's stop chumming for now. That's any dolphins or anything cool Yeah, I see a lot of dolphins. I've got a lot of sea turtles manor a That's beautiful. It's you know, it's like a different world different world. I love the ocean. I love being underwater. Yeah. 60 feet deep. You never know what you're going to see. So it's exciting. So you're holding your breath the whole time? Yeah. Just holding your breath. Dude, that's insane. I'm really not even that good. I think my deepest dives are about 75 feet and I get kind of... I know I could go deeper, but I like to be conservative. I don't want to die.

A lot of free divers die. I mean, yeah, that's pretty deep. Just getting down there probably takes like 20 seconds. I know a lot of guys, oh yeah, for sure. So if you're going at the right pace, it should take you about 20 seconds to get around 60 feet. If you're going kind of at a moderate pace, like meter a second, something like that. You're also using energy to get down and up. So you got to calculate that.

Yeah. So it's all about just being relaxed and not feeling tense. So you just want to reduce your oxygen. Use these really big fins, do slow kicks. How long are you holding your breath? Usually a minute to a minute and a half. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's not as long as I thought I'm picturing long Once again, yeah, there's guys. I know guys that do two three minutes. I Just don't want to die That's where it gets risky. Yeah, it gets risky. So you guys have shallow water blackouts. Damn. Yeah, it's a very common have shallow water blackouts. Damn.

Yeah, it's a very common way for free divers to die. Wow. So I think, honestly, I don't think you get any more fish. Like most of the fish I've ever shot are within the first 20 to 30 seconds. Yeah. Yeah, it's usually on the drop. They'll usually come check you out. Sometimes it's a little bit later, but you know.

I heard dolphins are really smart. Really smart. Yeah. They're really cool animals. Yeah. I'm fascinated by them. They can communicate with each other. Yeah. In fact, there's, um, they're doing studies on orcas, right. And the pods and usually when they're born into a pod, that's like their tribe, their people, they don't leave and usually go to another pod. And they also, the language between the pod is almost like a human language. So the other pods don't really quite understand what they're saying.

Whoa. But together, they've realized that they can communicate together. And some pods hunt different things. So it's really interesting. There's like some pods in California that they've now observed they'll kill and eat great white sharks. Other orca pods do not do that. There's a pod in New Zealand that knows how they'll blow like stingrays and flip them over and they'll eat the stingrays without getting stung. Other pods don't do that. So they've somehow learned these things and they communicate it and they've learned

it from each other. And it's kind of their thing. There's a pod down and I think it's in Argentina. I might be wrong, but they're the ones that beach themselves and grab the seals off the beach. I don't know if you've seen it. It's pretty, the seals like hightailing it for its life, thinking it's on this, you know, almost on the sand. This thing will like slide out of the water that it's like out of the water, grab it and then kind of like, like start flipping around to get itself back. That's crazy. Only that, only that pod does it.

Or maybe one or two pods do that, but not the ones in California don't do that. And the ones down there don't eat sharks. It's kind of interesting. Chiller whales, man. Yeah. But dolphins are right in that family. Super smart. They figure stuff out. What about octopus? You see any of those? I have seen some octopus. They're really cool. They're smart too. Yeah they're smart. There's a cool documentary called My Octopus Teacher. I heard about it. I didn't see it yet though. Yeah I never felt so

sad for an octopus because it goes its whole life and at the end you know of course they only live like two years. Oh that's it? Yeah. Wow. So it's a short so he goes with it life. And at the end, you know, of course, they only live like two years. Oh, that's it? Yeah. Wow. So it's a short, so he goes with it till it dies at the end. And so, spoiler out. I didn't know that. I thought they lived forever. But you're like, oh my gosh, this poor little octopus. But then of course I go to the restaurant and I eat octopus.

A terrible person. It tastes so good. So tasty, I love it. My fiancee refuses to eat cephalopods, like squid and octopus, and I love it, but she thinks they're too smart So I can feel that with the octopus but the squid Yeah, you can eat. They're not a smart. I don't know there. You know what the thing about the ocean is Everything in the ocean dies a gruesome death from so take the humans out of it

There's nothing that like grows old and just dies peacefully. Maybe a turtle right? Even they get eaten by sharks. True. Yeah so you see turtles with their fins ripped off or sea lions will kill them so everybody's killing everybody in the ocean and they all die and if you're lucky in the ocean you grow big but then eventually you grow weak and then you get eaten too. That's a terrifying life. It's a terrifying life. Wow. So yeah imagine being a wild animal. Yeah yeah it's wild. Yeah being human is pleasant. It is yeah it is it is. So I love animals. I'm not all about killing animals. In fact most the time when I go out there I'm very selective I'm not all about killing animals. In fact, most of the time when I go out there, I'm very selective. I'm only taking fish that I need.

So if I don't need a fish and I don't see one I really want, I just have a great time underwater. That's it. That's respect, man. Yeah. What else you do for fun? Man, I love traveling. I love skiing. I love backpacking, hiking, hunting, anything that's really outdoorsy. Where have you hunted? And so we do a lot of bird hunting with my brother. He's got a kennel.

He trains and breeds bird dogs, French Britneys, and they're really cool because if you ever hunted with a dog, they'll, you know, it's like a collaboration. Yeah. You know, man and beast to get something and it's a very cool experience and it's really addicting. And so, you know, the dog will find birds, point the bird, if necessary, even help you flush the bird. And then if you can shoot the bird, then they'll retrieve it for you out of water. You know, if it's lost, they'll sniff it out, find it, bring it back. So it for you out of water. You know if it's lost, they'll sniff

it out, find it, bring it back. So it's a really fun experience. So do some of that. I've done some big game hunting as well. Nothing crazy, just deer, boar, that kind of thing. I've never seen a wild boar. I like eating them though. They're good. And you know what's kind of crazy about wild boar is They're good. They're good. And you know what's kind of crazy about wild boar is it tastes great, tastes like pork. Little less fatty, but still fatty. But you don't get that heavy feeling afterwards. That's a good point. Yeah. So I started buying because I'll order beef and pork online, high quality grass fed stuff. But I do a lot of wild game. I'll order wild boar as well because I don't get to hunt as much as I'd like. So when I have it I

eat it all but I'll order wild boar, wild elk, venison and you really feel great. And here's what I say about the wild animals is they had a great life. It just had one bad day. Most of the farm animals haven't. Their entire life sucks. Most of them. Yeah. Most of them. Unless it's like a good farm. Yeah unless a good farm. So I like to support the good farms. I love what Switzerland does with their farm animals. They have like very strict laws like cows have to be put out to pasture on the grassy fields. Yeah. So they can't like live in those stalls and all that kind of stuff. So yeah, I hate seeing those videos.

I hate that. They come up on my Instagram. Yeah. I hate it. It drives me crazy. Yeah. It makes me upset actually. Cause some animals are super smart. Super smart.

Yeah. And it's just, I mean, animals still has, they feel pain, they feel fear, they feel all those things. And so you gotta treat it with respect, you know? feel all those things. And so you got to treat it with respect, you know, kind of think of like the way that native Americans treated, you know, the animals that they hunted with respect. Have you tried that deer from Hawaii yet? Yes. I need to try that. Delicious. I'm going to order some this week. I've been seeing it. I got to go actually last year on Molokai, with a friend of a friend, some local guys.

So I got to stay at their house, got to hunt in Molokai, and that was a great experience. Yeah, that is cool. I've never been hunting. It's fun, man. It's it's, you know, it's it's more hiking with a firearm. It really is hunting. But if you do get the right opportunity to take an animal, then you can, you get to eat it. And as long as you're respecting it, I think it's great. Yeah, I'm big on nature.

So I think I'd like it. Just being out there. Yeah. That's the one downside, I guess, of the city life being in Vegas. Yeah, it's good to, you know, it's good. Well, the nice thing is you can, you can get, I'm sure you could travel anywhere you want from Vegas. Yeah, it's good to, you know, it's good. Well, the nice thing is you can, you can get, I'm sure you could travel anywhere you want from Vegas. Flight goes anywhere in the world.

Yeah, we're close to Cali. Yeah, we got direct flights pretty much anywhere in the US, I feel like. Yeah, yeah. So, so it's, it's, it's great. You know, it's a great thing to, it's very sustainable too, you know? So I encourage people that if they

think think they would like to do it that they should give it a try at least once you also then I think you respect the food that you I mean I know this sounds silly but like it bothers me to buy meat and have it go bad and throw it out because I'm like that animal died for nothing. So even the way I think about grocery meat, I have a, even though I never saw that animal, I didn't kill that animal because I'm consuming it. I didn't want it to, I don't want it to die for nothing. Yeah. You know?

Oh yeah. I'm not big on leftovers. Yeah. My mom taught me that growing up. Yeah. Same. Same. you got to eat everything So I have dogs and they eat a lot of scraps if there is any left I feed my dogs raw meat It's great. I do too. What kind of dogs you have Australian Shepherd super active and then a golden Mountain dog Have you heard of that breed? No, what is that? It's half golden retriever half Bernie's Mountain dog. That seems like a cool dog

Yeah, he's awesome Shout out to Otis. There you go. Yeah, but now I switched them to raw cuz they used to get like Itchy and like sick a lot off the kibble Yeah, and they you know If you look at most the not most but I don't know what the percentage is a lot of these animals are dying from cancer A lot of and it's from like most of my dogs growing up all died from you know they get lumps and these weird stuff. If you go on the raw meat you know they're gonna live way longer. You're gonna have less vet bills just better. Yeah I think the average lifespan is one third of what

it used to be for dogs compared to when our grandparents were having dogs. Yeah. They used to they used to live 15-20 years easy. That's true. Yeah. Now they live seven on average. Yeah. So if you, I'm sure if you just feed them the raw stuff, you're going to get that extra life. My one, my, my one girl, she's a 15 German short hair pointer and she's, uh, and she's, she's still going strong, kind of half blind, half deaf, got arthritis, but she walks through the yard. She's always, um, she wants to explore constantly. I have to kind of temper her cause her arthritis, but she's through the yard. She's always, she wants to explore constantly.

I have to kind of temper her because of her arthritis. But she's on the raw food. And I think a big reason she's alive is because of that. I love it, man. Yeah, I hate going to the vet, dude. Cause they give like 10 vaccines a year to them. It's crazy. Yeah, I mean, if you can, I don't do the yearly vaccines.

They get the, every dog I've ever had just gets like the Parvo, kind of the puppy vaccines. And then after that, I don't do the yearly vaccines. They get the every dog I've ever had just gets like the parvo kind of the puppy vaccines. And then after that, I just. Yeah, after that, they keep pushing them. It's like, when does this end? Same thing with the humans right now. They will. Yeah. Like and you have all these crazy issues in humans and they're on the fifth covid vaccine now. It's wild. I think the vaccine, I think just everything that's happening in the environment

with vaccines is one little piece of it, but you know, you have like the plastics and just the air quality and water quality, just everything. And they try to say with the vaccines, well, there's no correlation to autism or whatever. Well, I don't think that the vaccine is maybe directly causing the autism, but there's definitely a correlation. It's the same thing like you could say gluten doesn't cause allergic reaction doesn't cause whatever issues, but then you have people that are gluten intolerant. And I think all of that stuff is just we're getting bombarded by unhealthy things constantly. And some people's bodies just cannot react. Right? Like, you have a bunch of little kids, you

inject them with a bunch of vaccines at the same time. There's bound to be issues. Yeah. And it's like you say, Oh, well, was it the vaccine? Or was it the kid's body that couldn't handle the vaccine? And maybe the kid's body that couldn't handle the vaccine and maybe some tolerate that tolerated better than others but it's it's bad. I mean you saw it during the pandemic some people could not tolerate it. I knew a couple people that died. Yeah. I don't know if it was directly from it but it was right after they got it and it was weird like they were super young. So one of the guys that worked with us at the time, healthy guy, late 30s, he has a heart issue from the vaccine. I forgot what it's called, starts with an M I think, but it's like where your your heart loses elasticity or whatever. Wow. And that's

terrible. Yeah. He got all three or all four shots. I don't remember, but it like they 100% ruled it down to the vaccine. I'm like, probably for sure. I don't think that guy would have died. Oh, he died? No, no, he would not have died from COVID. Oh, right. If he got COVID. Yeah, no, it was just now they're coming out. It's just like a cold, right? Yeah, basically. Yeah, the people that were dying had overall, I'm sure there was exceptions, but overall they were,

most of them were, most people were overweight, unfortunately, and most people had other health issues or they were old, but I mean, when you're 80 or 90, you die from the flu or the cold all the time. You die from a fall too? Yeah, you break your head. You're super weak. All kinds, yeah, you're not moving. I got it four or five times, the time. You die from a fall too? Yeah, you break your hip. Super weak. Yeah, you're not moving.

I got it four or five times, the COVID. Really? Yeah, the first time I actually thought I was gonna die, that was the worst, it turned into pneumonia. But the rest of the times, I didn't even know I had it. It was like- Yeah, I got it for sure once, maybe twice. I didn't do the vaccine. And the one time it was like like I had one super bad day

like where I was just laying there couldn't even like look at my phone or anything and then the next day I was really like 50% better. So fortunately for me didn't last that long. My brother got it. He was like in that state for a few days and And then we did the monoclonial antibodies. Yeah. Which... The one they told you not to take?

Yeah. Well, no, that one actually was FDA approved. What they were doing is they were like saying, oh, only, at least in California, only if you're over like 70. And they were like, we don't have enough of it. So they're trying to regulate people getting it. Got it.

But I kind of heard about it from from like the Joe Rogan podcast and stuff like that. So but here's the thing. You could get it if you private paid it. So all the people with insurance or without health insurance, you couldn't get your hands on it. Got it. Impossible. You private paid it 2000 bucks.

You could get it. And it was that much. Yeah, it was two grand. So I paid for it for my brother. My wife, she needed it one time too. When she got it, she was, she was out pretty bad. And I mean, within hours you were like already feeling Holy crap, better.

And I was like, why are they not pushing this? They just wanted everybody on this vaccine cycle so bad that even though this was a a good proven treatment this wasn't even like the ivermectin or stuff this was like yeah it works but we got to limit it there's not enough right so it was that kind of thing yeah but it kind of shows once again you know it's unfair but if you if you had the money to pay for it you could do it and so you know going back to our conversation with money, it's not like, it's not that I love money, but being able to do something like that

for a family member is important to me. It was important. So that's a big reason I like to, you know, make my business successful. I'm with you on that. It provides a lot of comfort, especially mentally. Right, yeah. Like, cause I've been broke twice.'ve made it lost my money twice already and I

grew up kind of middle class like you how did you how did you make your money back well this second time around it's in the podcast so I was broke what I lost everything during that crypto bear market I was over leveraged so that was three years ago Wow yeah I was way over leveraged yeah made a ton in crypto lost it all cuz I never sold And then the first time I got way too excited about sports cards There was a boom in sports cards. So what did you learn that now? You're gonna both of them were just over leveraged and relying too much on emotions Yeah, you know what I mean? I I turned my passion into like a very emotional thing. Yeah. So are you gonna like take that lesson now if you go into real estate or crypto again or something?

Yeah. I'm very more, very careful with investments now. Yeah. Cause I realized, cause I'm in a seven year relationship, I'd get married this year. Congrats man. Yeah. When I mess up though, it's not just on me anymore. Like it affects the whole family. I got two dogs. We got a house now. Yep. So I need to like be more responsible basically. That's awesome. I try to look at every because I've had a lot of losses in business too. Like I did a CrossFit gym. I was doing this while I had the IT business and it was super fun, but I lost probably a quarter of a million dollars trying to do it. Because on the side.

And then I just ended up giving it away. I just sold the equipment. Yeah. And I look back and I'm like, okay, but what did I learn? And there was some lessons I learned. So I basically bought myself a quarter of a million dollar of lessons that I do feel have made me successful in other areas. And, you know, I think the mistake a lot of people do is when they have a failure, they don't think, they don't like analyze it, take responsibility and say, what can I learn? Right. So when I go again instead of like letting the

failure define them or stop them or make them have fear from going forward again they take that and they say what what can I learn? How can I try again? You know Newton... Sorry. Isaac Newton? Who created the light bulb? Edison. Edison. He had like over a thousand times he failed on the light bulb. But he just kept doing it. But every time he would like say, okay, what did I learn? Do it again. Do it again. Do it again. So, you know, I think that's what you have to do if you want to be successful. And you never really fail if you don't stop trying. If you stop trying, that's when you truly failed. Otherwise, it's just a learning experience to the road to success.

Yeah. I actually had a guest on yesterday, or no, a Friday, and he was talking to like a billionaire. And he said, the billionaire asked him, have you ever failed in business before? Yeah. And he was talking to like a billionaire and he said, the billionaire asked him, have you ever failed in business before? Yeah. And he was like, yeah. And the guy was like, good, I don't work with people that haven't failed

in business before, cause they've never cycled. They never cycled, yeah. And that's why you see guys that are billionaires and they lose it all and then they're billionaire again. I think Trump did it. Trump did it what, six times? Yeah. And you think, how is that even possible?

But it's a skill set and they learned from it and then reapply it. So yeah, because if you've never had that financial failure, you're going to kind of have an ego about it and a false confidence. You're going to have a false confidence. And right. And then was your success, how much of your success was duplicable? Could you do it again? Right.

Cause a lot of success is timing and luck too. Yeah. Yeah. You know, right place, right time. You see it in the AI industry. Yeah, exactly. Well, there's people that were planning to start AI companies five, 10 years ago. And they're calling that lucky, but was it luck or were they planning it?

So maybe both. I don't know. Yeah. I think the way I like to think about luck is it's a it's a combination of it's it's when Preparation meets opportunity. Hmm. And so if you're preparing and putting yourself in the way of opportunities You know, you're gonna get lucky a lot. I agree. Yeah, I think you can control your luck I used to when I was younger, I used to be like, Oh, why, why do bad things happen to me? Yeah. You know,

does your mindset changed on that? Oh yeah. Now when bad things happen to me, I'm like, okay, great. Let me learn from this. Um, I'm not going to have a victim mindset about it. Yeah. You know, everyone's dealing with shit. Yeah. People that are very successful tend to not have victim mindsets at all. And they tend to take responsibility for everything. So they'll get in a car crash and they're like, it was my fault. I should have left earlier. I should have done this. I should have done that. And you're like, well, that wasn't your fault. The guy did this, right? But they don't ever want to be the victim.

And they always try to say, okay, what could I have done to prevent this from happening? My house burnt down. But instead of being the victim, well, next time I'm going to add sprinklers to the roof or whatever. So it's not to say that bad things can't happen that are out of your control, but just the mindset is completely different. I've tried to really take that and try to take accountability and responsibility.

So everything that happens to me is my fault and everything that happens, good or bad, is either is because of me. I love that. Yeah. That's something I've seen in the top entrepreneurs. When you study like guys like Elon, they do that. Yeah. Yeah. They all do that. Yeah. Yeah, they all do that Yeah, so I and I can't take credit for that

I've learned it from from from mentors and I look at what other people are doing that are successful I'm like, how can I make my success easy and the easy way is to duplicate what someone is already doing Versus trying to learn the hard way So I've gotten a point in my life that that I wanna do the hard way as least as possible. Not to say that life is not hard, but if I can just copy what someone is already doing successfully, I can just follow in their footsteps

and I still have to do the hard work. I have to put the action in, I have to put the effort in, but I don't have to make the same mistakes and I can you know make it easy on myself. It was as easy as possible. Agreed. Was Robert Urgevec from Shark Tank someone you copied early on? You know what I like Robert Urgevec a lot and I would love to meet him. He's coming on. Really? Yeah. Wow. I'll text you that day. Maybe you could. Yeah.

Maybe I'll come and sit in the lobby and just eat snacks and hopefully like run into him. I hadn't studied him enough and I don't know enough about how he scaled his business to be able to copy him, but he's definitely someone I would like to. And he's in the exact same industry. That's kind of where he came up from. Yeah. Obviously, I know some things about him. But I've looked at like Grant a lot.

Grant Cardon. Yeah, I love Grant. He was just here. Yeah. Yeah. Brandon's been on too. Oh, Brandon's been on. Sure.

Yep. So those are a couple guys I look up to a lot. There's some others that I even like Sam Waltman from Walmart. You know, I read his book and I took a lot of lessons. I remember someone said, you know, a lot of people pay a few hundred dollars for some Nikes, but they won't even pay ten dollars to buy Sam Waltman's book. He's from Walmart, one of the richest people of all, at least for that time period. And I remember when he said, I was like, man, that is so true. Why don't I, why don't I do that? And so I bought his book and I read it and I apply a lot of stuff that some Waltman did. Books are the best ROI of all time. And also

there's free books now. There's an app called like, uh, there's a library app, forget the name, but I'll find it and link it in the video. But yeah, you get free books. Audible is a free book a month if you're on Prime, if you listen to audiobooks. There's a lot of good free books on YouTube. But yeah, even if you're buying them, it's like 10 to 20 bucks. You're getting that information directly from their brain and getting to download it into your brain and people are not doing it. And so it's amazing. A lot of people are like, hey, how do I invest?

And I know a lot of people are, you know more about this, but a lot of people invest in crypto. Especially if they don't have money to put to assets like real estate when you're getting started. But I think one of the best things you can do to invest in yourself is your education. And books is one of the cheapest things. You go to events, networking things, find mentors. But with books, you can get that information. And what I like to do is take a pen or a little marker, because most books, I learned this from I think it was a Tai Lopez podcast.

I'm not like a huge fan, but I do like some of the things he says. And one of the things he said is like most big books have a lot of fluff in them. And there's just, you know, gold nuggets, right? A lot of sand and gold nuggets. But they can't put like their three or four ideas on five pieces of paper and sell it to you. They got to put stories in there and all that stuff. But I'll go with the pen and I'll try and underline,

like, hey, what are the gold nuggets that I actually have to take and apply and try and identify that within the book. And it helps me identify the lesson, apply the lesson, and it gets my brain working on like, how do I use this in my business or leading people? And a lot of the skills I have now, I came up with learning a technical skill set because I was an IT guy.

And then when I started a business, I had to learn things like sales, financial literacy, and leadership. And those were not natural to me. I had to learn those and I learned those through books and other people. So yeah, you can learn anything. Yeah. Shout out to books, shout out to podcasts. You know, there's so many good ways to learn. I love listening to podcasts.

Yeah, you get so much information and you're like, oh, that's interesting. I could do that. And you get that information for free, almost like you met that person training you every single day, man. Like when I have on a guest, I'm either reading their book, listening to their podcasts or both when I'm preparing for episodes. Well, I'm sure it's a big part of your success. I think you're you're you're you're up and I don't want to even say up and

coming now, now you have a name for yourself and it's only growing, right? Your star is rising, but how many people are there with podcasts and what are you doing differently? Obviously, you're having good guests, but that's not it. That's not enough. I can see all the work that goes into making this happen. No, that's not enough, dude. Cause a lot of people have Grant Cardone on their show.

He actually texted me yesterday, like, dude, the way you edit and like ask questions and converse is like game changer. Yeah. And coming from Grant, that's a huge compliment. He's been on some of the biggest shows. So were you observing other people and kind of like, because you wanted to create a, you came from crypto into podcasting. Yeah, which is a huge change. Yeah, because the crypto space is a bunch of internet nerds, super introverted, which is what I was. Right. So to come into podcasts I was not naturally good at this so like you said I learned everything yeah I learned everything

from watching other shows setting other guests stuff like that I like that you said you were introverted but now you're doing this I mean I'm still introverted but um yeah but you know I think people will put themselves in boxes when they say I'm extroverted or I'm introverted. Maybe you're not comfortable doing something, but it doesn't mean you can't do it. Yeah, I agree. Don't use it as an excuse. Don't use it as an excuse. Just recognize what I guess you lean towards, but at the same time you could talk with.

Yeah. You had to put work in to make it happen. And now you're here. Yeah. I mean, for me, it's like, okay, is my energy drained or not after I talk to someone? Okay. That's kind of what I mean by introvertedness. How do you feel at the end of the day after all these? Depends on who's on. Okay.

So like right now I feel great. You were great and the guest before you was great. But sometimes there's a guest where I feel drained afterwards. Do you think it's like somehow their mindset or their energy? Something, yeah. I'm still trying to like somehow their their mindset or their energy? I'm still trying to figure it out something with their energy maybe their substance sometimes they talk too much I'm still trying to figure it out but I don't know. I guess that that shows you get so much exposure to so many people it shows why it's important to to pick who you're around with your friends in your free time. 100 percent Because that you're gonna be like them. I mean, it's so true.

It's so cliche, the five people that like, it's facts. I mean, you look at our friends when we were younger and that's who we were at the time. 100%. And now you look at who's around us now and there's a reason we're out where we're at. Yeah. So you have to, I mean, it's the same thing

like you're getting married, right? Your friend said, when you're same thing like you're getting married right your friend said when you're married if you want to stay married you got to pick people that have that mindset of you can't be hanging out with guys that are wanting to go do wild stuff and live this single life because you're gonna just fall into that trap And if you hang out with people that like value the sanctity of marriage and, you know, do things as a family, well, you're going to you're going to replicate that. Yeah, most of my friends are in relationships right now are looking for one.

And they're committed. But I used to hang out with a lot of players when I was younger in college. And that's kind of what I gravitated towards. Yeah, of course. And so you have to you have to make. I think there's a big, uh, um, red pill movement right now for guys too, you know, um, and it's, it's in response to all the, the feminism and all of that. But, you know, there's a reason that traditional values worked for centuries and it's because they work.

I mean, there's so many studies on how children end up in a single parent household versus a dual parent household. And it's not good for the kid. It's not good. It's really bad. So I feel bad for that. It doesn't mean that if you were born in single parent household, you can't be successful. But the propensity, the environment, everything is stacked against you now. Right. So like, why do you want to handicap a kid if you can't? And it drives me crazy that when I see people that are parents parents and they'll divorce, they'll get, they have kids and then they'll get a divorce because there wasn't even anything big but they're not happy.

They've grown apart quote unquote. I'm like, you have a kid. It's not about you or your happiness anymore. It's about your kid. Like you're so selfish. You care about your happiness more than the success of your own child. Yeah. Sad. Yeah, I think it's situational. But yeah, overall, that's I've seen that too.

Yeah, I'm not talking about extreme abuse or things like that. But you'll see you'll see people that sometimes will walk away because they're bored from a relationship. Right. With a kid. What are you doing? I mean, it's a coin toss, they say? Yeah with marriage. Yeah, I'm divorced right? Yeah. Well, I think people Are More selfish now. They're more worried about their own happiness and the point of getting married You have to think about the other person's happiness and you have to think about The success of the family the success if there's about the success of the family, the success if there's children,

the success of the children. So your happiness really should kind of come in last. Damn, that's a hot take for a lot of people I bet. But think about your grandma, your great grandma, wasn't that probably her mindset? I mean our great, our grandparents had like 10 kids. That was okay back then, right? So was your grandma or grandpa worried about his happiness or what was he worried about? Probably the kids. I mean, baby boomer generation really spawned a lot of

families in America. That was what the most important was that. Like, it doesn't mean he didn't want to be happy or your grandma didn't want to be happy, but it kind of came in the last place. Yeah. Yeah, my grandparents, yeah, they put a lot of value on, uh, on their family. I feel like, you know, you're seeing that less and less these days for sure. I wonder if social

media played a role in that. Yeah. Big time. There's a lot of studies on mental health and social media, the correlation now. And I think we're all addicted to it. We have to use it for business. Um, I can't even watch a movie now without looking at my phone. I can't either. It's so bad. I can't. Watching a movie, if I don't get caught within the first few, you know, 15 minutes, I turn the show or the movie off because my brain is like, yeah, like the fast.

It's bad though. When I was a kid, I used to love going to the movies. I was like, it would make my whole week. It would. And now it's like, I don't even want to go anymore. It's sad. It's sad. Yeah, there's a lot of negative consequences and I think it's it's had a really bad effect on on men and women, you know, you see it so many men are like Without relationships. Yeah, you know, they can't even get a woman the women are over getting this like influx of attention and now

they think you know I only want this type of man because I see that type of lifestyle and they don't even give an average man a chance. Yeah. But both are ending up unhappy. Yeah there's this calculator that you type the salary. Have you seen this? I've seen it. Yeah. The salary and the height. The. Yeah. There's this calculator that, uh, you type the salary. Have you seen this? I've seen it. Yeah. The salary and the height. The illusion calculator. Yeah. It's so wild. I was messing around with it. And, uh, I think if you want to top, like if you want to make, meet a man that makes a hundred K and is over six feet, it's like 1% or something. Yeah. Super low. Yeah. And so, you know, before social media, you know, if you were a woman or a guy, you kind of worked in, you know, were in certain friend groups and they kind of met with other friend

groups. But, you know, maybe if you're a real outgoing person, you went to a lot of parties and stuff, you knew a lot of you met more people, but you kind of would meet within that group. People would kind of like find each other, right? And settle in. Now it seems for the women, they're getting so much attention from all over the world, and you have these guys say, oh, I'll fly you out or do whatever. It's crazy, right?

It's nuts. But that kind of messes that messes the mind up a little bit on on on both sides. Yeah on on both sides. So some guys can't even get a girl. And then the girls get so much attention. They're like, OK, this is this is I'm not going to settle for anything. Yes. But now they're passing up a really good opportunity with maybe a really great guy. And they might not realize it until they're in their late 30s or 40s and Now the options suddenly have evaporated or less because they have kids at that age, right?

And now they're like, okay now I'm ready to settle down now. I'll give a guy a shot but There you know a lot of guys are taken by that age, right? They're taken. Or if they're trying to go, like you said, that six foot six figure, who is he going after? And he's going to be probably going for if you're a 40 year old woman, and you're trying to go for someone in your age range, if you're not giving an average guy a shot, if you're give just say, no, he's got to make this much money and he's got to look like this and he's got to be charming and he's all this.

Well, the other women want him to. So now you're not competing with other four year olds. You're competing with 21 year olds. Yeah. Yeah. It's rough now. And if you have trauma from relationships and all of that, which everyone does. Yeah, everyone does.

Men want some, they want peace. So it's not even about necessarily only looks. It's also like, oh, I'm gonna marry someone that's not gonna have a lot of trauma and give me, drag that into my life. Yeah, cause we come home after work. We don't want more issues, right? Yeah.

For me, that's so important. So important. You wanna have peace. You wanna have a good, you just wanna, you know, peaceful, happy relationship. And so I am a proponent for people getting married younger, you know, how young we talking. I don't know what worked for our generations in the past. Yeah.

I wonder what the average age was in the past marriage. I feel like it was young twenties or probably. Yeah. Now it's gotta be thirties. It's gotta be thirties. Some people are pushing it's got to be 30s. It's got to be 30s. Some people are pushing it to late 30s and then they're trying to start families. And it's rough. Yeah. And dude, now people at the bars and clubs are just on their phone. But you don't socialize anymore. You know, I don't know.

Did you grow up going to like house parties and stuff? Yeah. OK. I don't know if you've noticed that, but there's not. OK, maybe I'm a little old that I'm not getting invited, but I do have a lot of friends at younger ages. Yeah. And they just don't go to a lot of parties. Really? Yeah. Rarely. I'm not saying never, but I feel like there was a party like every weekend somewhere with a group of people.

And now they're just kind of at home. And I think that's social media because when I grew up we didn't have social media you were bored all the time. Like people don't realize how I even saw a funny little like real on Instagram and people like oh I want to be back in the 90s and then they're like at home bored all the time. So you're bored all the time so all you're thinking about is I want to meet people. I want to go with my friends.

Right. So what did you have to do? You had to go hang out, whether that's skateboarding, a party, you know, whatever you like to do, you're always, you know, trying to get your, I notice a lot of young people are not even getting their driver's licenses. Really? I was trying to get my driver's license the day I could because I wanted freedom. I wanted to go hang out with my friends.

That was a big deal as a teenager. Yeah, a big deal. And I've met so many people. I don't even get their driver's license until they're like late teens, early 20s. And I'm like, that's late. I'm like, what the heck? What's going on? Well, now Uber's out too before we didn't have that.

But yeah, you could, you could Uber. That's, that's for sure. But at the same time, it's like they didn't have, we had such a drive to get out and be free. Right. And now, you know, people are not even, they're never bored. They're sitting, you go to the bathroom

and you have your phone on board, right? You're never bored. You're always entertained at all times with your phone. And you're seeing a lot of kids stay at home now until their late twenties. Yeah. I feel like when we were, I want to get out. I know my mom watches this, but I wanted to get out ASAP of my house. Dude, I can't even, I swear to you, I cannot remember the last time I heard about

like a couple, like 18 year old guys turning 18 or girls and moving in together and getting an apartment. Everyone lives at home. I know part of it is the inflation and the cost of living, but people stay at home. I want to get out immediately just to like be on my own. Yeah. I don't want to live at home until I'm 30. I know a lot of girls and guys and they're not that are in their mid to late 20s and

they live at home. Damn. Well, that's inflation, I think too. I think so. College debt. I think it's just like, you can't even, yeah, college debt, can't even afford it. Interest rates are crazy right now too. I feel bad for people.

Yeah, it's rough. I think it's, you have to have a drive to be successful because the middle class is going away and you're either gonna be broke or you're gonna be rich. Yeah, it's gonna be gone in our lifetime, I think. Oh yeah, 100%. Well, that's been awesome. Where can people find you?

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