Digital Social Hour - How I Built a Business Empire While Competing Globally | Fred Kerley DSH #1326

Episode Date: April 14, 2025

🏆 How do you build a business empire while competing on the world stage? Find out in this thrilling episode of the Digital Social Hour! Join Sean Kelly as he sits down with a world-class athlete, Fred Kerley, who shares his journey from the track to entrepreneurship. From racing in the Olympics to managing barbershops and land investments, he reveals the secrets behind balancing elite competition and smart business moves. 🌍💼 Discover the mental and physical demands of global competition, the transition from the 400m to the 100m, and the untold challenges athletes face. Plus, hear his thoughts on rivalries, the politics of sprinting, and why track and field deserves more love beyond the Olympics. 🏃‍♂️✨ Packed with valuable insights and inspiring stories, this episode is a must-watch for anyone looking to combine passion with purpose. Don’t miss out—watch now and subscribe for more insider secrets! 📺 Hit that subscribe button and join the conversation today. 🚀 CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 01:15 - Burnout in Sports 02:32 - Mental Game Strategies 02:55 - Politics in Racing 05:02 - Transitioning from 400m to 100m 08:02 - Improving Speed and Performance 08:46 - Importance of Mentors 10:24 - Competitiveness in Track 11:22 - Breakable Track Records 12:34 - Understanding False Start Rule 14:58 - 2020 Olympics 100m Highlights 18:16 - Racing Without a Crowd Experience 19:34 - Future of 2028 Olympics 21:09 - Stock Market Insights 22:18 - NFL Discussion 25:50 - Conversations with Other Athletes 28:30 - Olympic Games Overview 29:35 - Trading Olympic Medal for Money 30:26 - Cheating in Track and Field 30:56 - Media Coverage of Track Events 33:37 - Where to Find Fred APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail] GUEST: Fred Kerley https://www.instagram.com/fkerley99/ LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ #DigitalSocialHour #SeanKelly #Podcast #BusinessEmpire #GlobalCompetition #AthleteLife #Entrepreneurship #ApplePodcasts #Spotify #trackallaccess #businessempire #sportspsychology #europeanathletics #motivation

get paid. So when I made it to the finals, I was like, it's all or nothing. But I felt like even when I read your question, that's probably was the most race I want to redo back. Really? Yeah. All races, that's the one. Damn, you got second though. That's pretty good. That's the one on all my races. I don't feel no type of way about that. I'm just going to all my races. I don't feel no type of way about that. All right guys, got Fred here out in Vegas, a rare city for him to attend. Thanks for coming on, man.

Appreciate it. Yeah, you got a fun night tonight, right? A nice little fun night tonight. You're in season right now, too. Definitely in season. The start of the season. So we will call this like relay season, preseason. So our season will really start starting to championship season, championship

season for us, it started whenever we get past USA. So you're just warming up right now? It's just preseason, getting body, getting the body tuned and stuff for the big show later in the season. And you guys have a long season, like compared to most athletes, right? You're running. So our season is really year round, believe it or not, because you got some countries starting different seasons, some countries starting in October, some countries.

It's just track is just a year round sport. So you got to keep your body until year round. Yeah. Have you ever had some burnout? Of course. I feel like one burnout season probably was 2023, 2022 after I got done. Just like you used to get drained of traveling and all that. Yeah. Yeah, because traveling takes the toll on your body.

Like we travel weekend or week out and I feel like the outside world don't understand that that is a blessing to travel though too. Yeah. But it's also wear and tear on your body also. A hundred percent. Whenever I fly somewhere, I have a runny nose, I get sick. Yeah. If you don't got the right team around you, I feel sorry for you.

Or like for like the massage therapist and coaches and stuff, because you've got to get back into the flow of things. Yeah. I had LaShawn Meridon a few months ago and he was talking to me about that. He has a chiropractor fly with him everywhere. You got to have that because track and field take a toll on your body and stuff. You can perform at a meet good and then the following week you're not performing. So you got to understand that you're going to have the ups and downs and stuff

because you got to get your body rejuvenated into the time's on you and all yeah stuff like that. I think track's one of the most mental sports too. I feel like track is definitely one of the most mental sport it is because it's all about patient like if you don't got the mental game you really don't got nothing in track and field because we all know we can run fast. Yeah. So running fast is like the easy part is out. All just things on the outside of stuff that a lot of people don't understand

that you're going to the track and field. Is there a lot of politics involved with how the races operate? There's a lot of politics. Like which lane you get, if you got the best agent. How does the agent matter? If you got a good agent, I can tell my agent I don't want this other person in the race. Damn! I didn't know that. It's like the smaller things that go into the thing or I don't want this person next to me.

Put him in the outside lane. I want somebody slower on the side of me for it can make me look good and stuff. Just like the small things that a lot of outside people don't understand. How's that happening where someone didn't want you part of the race you found out? Of course. Of course, especially in my 400 days. Oh yeah? 100 days not so much because it's just like the competitiveness in the 100 guys, definitely in my 400 days I had people that ain't won me next to them. I wonder why there's such a difference with the 400 and the 100, different mentality maybe? I feel like the 400, whoever got the biggest balls.

Whoever got the biggest balls. And then the 100 is just like manto on manto, either you got it or you don't. Whoever, whoever got the biggest balls. So whoever got the biggest balls and in the hundreds, it's like manto manto, either you got it or you don't. The 400 is the same way, but you got to have the biggest balls in the 400. You just step in the 400. It's like an all out sprint. Yeah. And whoever can decelerate the fastest, I mean, the slowest in the 400.

That's the person who's going to win. Right. They say the 400 is the toughest race in Dragonfield, right? I would say yay and nay because if you ain't training for it, if you just think you can just have the endurance to outrun somebody, I could tell you wrong. But you got to have the speed and endurance at the same time. If you don't got both of them, you're out of luck.

Right. Because you need to finish strong to win. I feel like you got to conserve a lot of energy or be on point. You can't go out too fast, you can't go out too slow. Right. Because you go out too slow, you're not catching up. If you go out too fast, you're going to die. So you got to have a medium in that. Yeah.

I remember a lot of people questioned why you transitioned from the 400 to the 100, right? I feel like people still ask me to, right now. Cause I don't think people understand how easy and hard it was to translate from the 400 to the 100. The 400 to the 100, it's definitely hard. I definitely my first year, even though I did stuff

that people took a lifetime to do, it's definitely hard to do because you gotta race fast. Every day, training different, like speed hurt. Like even though the 400 hurt, speed actually hurt. I remember some training sessions and stuff, I'm like, I better go back to the 400 400 because like you ran so fast, but you tax on your body so much that people don't understand how much speed actually do hurt. You got to recover from that. Some days you don't get to recover.

You got to go fly on the weekend. So speed definitely hurt. But my transition from the 400 to 100 was definitely much easier than I expected because I'd end up mellowing my first year out yeah but the following year I had to get like grounded and understand from like the training stuff the phases of the 100 meters hmm and I feel like it was definitely harder in 2022 and 2023. I'm still learning because you can't do what I did in the 400

where you can just, it's all about racing 100. From the finish to the get go. In the 400, you got phases where you can critique in the 400. You can't critique nothing fast in the 400, you got phases where you can critique in the 400. You can't critique nothing fast in the 100. Right. Because once somebody's gone, they're gone.

Yeah. And it's harder. You can't catch them on. Just like you can't catch a 43 if you run a 43. Mm. Like in the 100, it's all like this. The 400, you still got a whole lap to fish some things and stuff. All right.

It's just like that. Yeah, you got a bad start, you're done. Yeah, you got a bad start, you're done. Yeah, you got a bad start, you're done. So the 100 definitely is more crucial to understand, but if you got it, you got it. Yeah. So I had to get the talent to go from the 400 to the 100 meters.

Yeah, the more strategy involved in the 400, right? There's a lot of more strategy involved in the 400. So I feel like training is definitely is the biggest part because what I'm glad about my transition from the 400 to the 100 was, all right, put the work in. So the 100 was definitely much easier for my body, but it's also more taxing. So you definitely got to do more things that you ain't do.

I get a 10 more, get the strength, build your muscles up. I got 400, you ain't necessarily had to do all the things and stuff. I did, but definitely gotta do way more in 100 meters. The small things matter the most and people don't understand that. That makes sense. Do you feel like you're still getting faster right now?

I feel like I'm still getting faster. I'm still learning. It's just like, I'm still like at the beginning stage of my hundred career. Really? So it's just like, yeah, I ran nine, seven, more medals at the Olympics and been in the world championship. So I'm still young.

Like my body haven't never hit the peak yet. So it's just like, I'm still learning. So I feel like that's one of the most dangerous game. I would say I'm still learning my body in the a hundred. Yeah. You want to go do this fast, but the training session will tell me go run this weekend. So we get building up the season and stuff.

I feel like I'm still young. I'm still learning. So that's the, that's the most dangerous thing where, uh, at least still learning how to run fast. And USA has a lot of fast 100 meter runners. Do you have like a mentor, just so you can hit up whenever you want? I feel like my mentor is all the OGs,

not only from USA, just from all over the country that came before me. I feel like it's much easier now that I'm in the position to get to reach out to them anytime I want to that I'm in the position to run fast to understand the small things how to transition through the phases and all that stuff so it's much easier now that I would say than I was in my 400 days and because of 400 days is like you're by yourself yes it's just like I'm just out there just how you do this how you got faster than this it's just

like some 400 guys ain't gonna give you the secret mm-hmm but the hundred guys I feel like it's more relaxed than the 400 guys I could see that wow that's interesting yeah there's some some legends doing podcasts now from a hundred meter guy, like Justin Garland, I went on a podcast in September. Yeah. Yeah. I was on his podcast.

It was definitely good in New York was more much children in locker room. Just kind of hobby. Were you, uh, were you getting along when you were both active runners? Um, I got along with everybody. Oh yeah. I don't beat for nobody. My competitiveness is I hate everybody. But once we get outside the track and stuff,

we all friends. If you take my competitiveness away from me, I think you're wrong. So once I leave the track, it's just one of the probably most still person that I think you can be around. Do you think track needs more competitiveness with uh like shit talking and stuff? I feel like yes I feel like a lot of people soft yeah in track and field because they just think how you best

should say this. I think a lot of people belittle themselves they belittle themselves because they worry about what people want to say. But if you're in your zone, be in your zone. Don't change yourself because somebody else is watching. People want to see that. People want to see you be yourself around a lot of brands and stuff like things like that. So if you can't be yourself, why do something that you love doing? Yeah, I think Noah and Shaqari are good for the sport, man.

Yeah, they definitely good for the sport and I think I love it. But if you can't talk your stuff, well, I'll be a part of it. Yeah. So they talk their stuff, they back it up. Absolutely. So it's the same thing with me. I talk my stuff, I back it up. Mm-hmm. Is there still a big rivalry with USA and Jamaica? I feel like it's and Jamaica? I feel

like it's there but I feel like it's dying down because USA is just taking over. Right. So it's like we all competitive but I feel like it's just dying down a little bit but it's always gonna be there for life. That's just the nature of the rivalry but I feel like it's dying down a little bit. Yeah. Which sprinting record do you think is the most breakable at the moment? 100 meter, 200, 400. I feel like all of them breakable. This would be truthful.

I feel like every record and a record is breakable. You just got to do small things right. We all know we can run fast. It's just small things that matter. Yeah. How you can stand up tall. Are you doing the right stuff in the gym? Your core. things that matter. Yeah, how you can stand up tall if you're doing the right stuff in the gym your core Small things matter patient matter because you get up too fast

You can lose a decimal a second you you got your drive phase too fast You got your blocks around just small details that matter and track and feel that the outside world thing oh got your blocks to wrong, just small details that matter and track and field that. The outside world thing. Oh, he got like that. No, you know, you can run fast, but the small, the small, small details matter. Yeah. When gallon came on, I asked if they should change the false start rule. And he said, yeah. What do you think about that? I feel like, yeah, you know, you should not fall start. She listened to the gun. But I feel like everybody deserves a second chance.

Just don't do it again. Has that happened yet? False start. I'll start. No. Oh gosh. You're good. That I never fall star.

I like that. I know of never false start. That's impressive. Yes. Cause I feel like that's happened to a lot of sprinters. Right? I feel like the people that fall start, they don't want to be in the race.

So they already got paid, so they don't want to be in the race or they got injured or something, or they dealing with some things at the time and stuff. And the coach probably tell them do this and where you can get into the next meet. Yeah. Oh, so they get paid without even racing?

People get appearance fees. Okay. So people show up for appearance fees and stuff, but if you don't finish the race, you ain't getting the prize money. Yeah, that makes sense. Because you got to win to make the serious money though, right? Win, yay, and nay.

You got to finish the race. You get some type of money if you finish the race. Yeah. Do sprinters make more or the distance runners? Like the marathon runners. If I go to one, it depending on what you're saying. You talk about prize money. I guess overall, like, like on a yearly basis, like who's making more.

I think the sprinters, but who bring in the most money? The Dyson runners, cause they sell the shoes. We ain't selling spikes. They sell the shoes, like people go to the marathons and see what sneakers and stuff they wearing. Yeah. The Sprintage zone, we, we, we sell spikes. You ain't walking around with spikes.

So like the Dyson runners actually sell the brand. I make sense. actually sell the brand. That makes sense. They sell the spikes. I mean the tennis shoes, all the marathon shoes, they sell the shoes. They probably got some big shoe deals. Yeah, they probably got some. I don't, I never been in that position,

so I don't know, but I know for a fact that nobody walk around in spikes. Yeah. Besides the track at least. The dissonant runners sell the brand. Do you ever deal with a spike company? No, I'm a free agent. Really?

Yeah. I feel like that'd be a no brainer for a spike company. Like right now, yeah, but I'm dealing with some personal stuff, but at the end of the day, it's always going to be a brighter day. So I can't complain about that. Well, I want to talk about the Olympic races. So 2020 silver medalist, what was the mindset going into that race? I think that's probably with all races 2020 part of my.

Most felt race, like that's where my heart will probably be the most wild because. It was uncharted territory. Fresh here doing a hundred made it to the Olympic final. So did you expect that? I've always been in the top. You know what I'm saying? So it's just like for that year to 100 meters with Nite and the blueprint. Those were 400 meters. So going in that year, I was a 400 guy and the 400 was my blessing out of school. So 2020 was probably a different year as a whole. Me getting to know myself a week before trials, I decided to call my agent and say

I'm not doing a 400 no more. and I'm going to go do the 100. Me. So, but I know when I get into the groove of things, the groove of things and everything start clicking, clicking. I said, oh, this about be a piece of cake. But it was also a pressure on me because no one knew what I was thinking at the time, but I knew what I was thinking.

Got to get paid. So when I made it to the finals, I was like, it's all or nothing. But I felt like even when I read your question, that's probably was the most race I want to redo back. Really? Yes. All races, that's the one.

Damn, you got second though. That's pretty good. That's the one on all my races. Even 2024, I don't feel no type of way about that. But 2021, I feel like probably the most. Like I need to redo that one back. You thought you could have won that one? Yes. How's the difference with first and second? The same thing like the last one. Oh yeah? Yes just a head shot away. Damn I must hurt. So it's just

like that one probably the most I would say I want to redo over because I know why I was capable of doing it. And for that race, so it was just like, it was uncharted territory for me. And people that was in that race was probably went to more games than me, been to more 100 meter finals than me. But I did that, what I did in 2021. No one in mankind ever did that. Yeah. Yeah. To switch the same year to make the finals. Yes.

Yeah. That's insane. So it was just like that one. I hurt me the most out of any races I ever raced. Damn. College, high school. That's the one. That's crazy.

Cause you're still a silver medalist and it hurt you. That's, that's the one that if I want to realign that one up, same atmosphere, nobody understands, like the same pandemic happened. That's the one I want to redo over again. Oh yeah, that's COVID. That's the one I want to redo over again. Do you think you race better in those conditions with no audience? I race better in any condition.

I feel like as me, you really don't see no crowd. You hear the voices that you want to hear, it can be billions of people. You got your coach and whoever else you want to listen to. You're locked in. Yeah, you're locked in. You don't really see a competitor. It's just like a white sheet.

You don't see nobody. And once you get up probably like five to 10 meters ago, you see the tennis line. And then we look up at the clock and then you start realizing, oh, it was a crowd in here. So I definitely don't really see nobody in the stands when I be racing.

I just black out and just see the gun. That's crazy, because it's loud. It's be loud, but you don't be hearing it. It's your heart just beating, beating fast. it's just a white sheet just around the whole stadium when I'm you running. That's crazy I'm in 24 getting bronze. So you're you said you're fine with that. Yeah, I felt like I was fine with That one but a bronze that you feel like a gold medal to me all the stuff I was doing with I don't take that race back. It's just a learning metal to me and all the stuff I was doing with I don't take that race back it's just a learning experience for that that race but 2021 I you know one I

want back the most yeah I had to redo anything any race over again had to be 20-21 you decided for 28 that's gonna be definitely only a title because it's home territory mm-hmm LA 2022 I did it home 20 2028 I'm gonna do at home too. You're doing 100 only or you're gonna do 200? The 100, 200 maybe me and my close thing about the 400 but I just need to take I mean complete

my case silver, bronze and gold I'll be good. Oh yeah. Ride into the sunset after that. Ride into the sunset that probably be my last one and time to get, I'll be good. Oh yeah, riding to the sunset, I feel like. Riding to the sunset, that'll probably be my last one and then time to get to the real money. Yeah, what you plan on doing after this? You don't know yet? Definitely get in the

media, man. You know a lot of knowledge you can share with. I definitely want to get into the media, but I definitely want to branch out to the youth though too. To teach them the value of a dollar, because a lot of kids don't know the value of a dollar. And if I can do that, that would be a blessing to that. I feel that probably bring me more joy than me doing a lot of other stuff. Wow I didn't know you had

that business side of you. What got you into that stuff? I got a business degree. Oh yeah? So I got barber shops, I got land, I got a lot of stuff that God been blessing me with so I ain't complaining about that but I definitely like a business mind because everybody around me business mind people I feel like the best thing that ever happened to me when I left school was go to Arizona and it was a bunch of business mind people around me. That's good man because a lot of athletes unfortunately go broke afterwards. Yeah because a lot of people don't know the value of a dollar. Right. I feel like once you know the value of a dollar, you can go a long way, how to do

the investment and how to do the stock market, but the stock market just like gap, a real life gambling, especially right now. So I feel like a lot of people don't understand how you put your, you can put money and stocks and bond. That's still a form of gambling, but that's a form of How you say that? Safer I guess it can be safer. Yay, but it can't be safer right now Things going so it's just a light feel like the stop market just a bigger form of gambling But it's slow like you can slow pace and so you can go to a casino right here, or they get in lose that right?

Dude the market right now is looking shaky. Are you nervous? You're not nervous? You always put money away for a rainy day. Yeah, I gotta have a rainy day fund. Yeah, stocks and crypto are getting wrecked right now. Yes, I see it. I see it because my home, my phone like every morning and see how the stock go, but it's definitely up and down at the moment.

Yeah, that's cool, man. It's cool that you're thinking long term like that. Always because I feel like the right now always take care of yourself because if you think about the right now, if you're in the right now, you losing stuff. You got to think about the future always. Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of athletes are so, uh, in the present.

Well, they kind of have to be right right? Focused, but then they retire and they lose sense of purpose and meaning. Cause I feel like a lot of people spin, spin, spin right now. But they don't understand it's life outside. And once you get done with your sport or whatever career you're in, can spend a million dollars. Make sure you, if you spend a million dollars,

make sure you can go somewhere and get $2 million right back. Right. Originally you wanted to be an NFL player, right? Yeah. I originally wanted to be an NFL player because that's what I feel like that's what my ticket out of my surroundings. Until I broke my collarbone. Broke my collarbone.

I had to sit out for probably a couple of months. But it was still like, you can still see the little nap in the cheese right now. But football, I thought it was my ticket out. But God had other plans. So I ended up walking on to run track at South Plains. And then get a scholarship to, you know. So you started late running? It's not necessarily. I always ran.

I'm not kidding, seriously. later on and it's not necessarily I always ran not seriously so every year we take like six weeks in school school like middle school high school six weeks doing that time frame to get right but doing that six week time frame we getting ready for seven on seven five on five in the summertime for basketball and then go to weight training for two days and things like that. NFL is a tough on man with injuries. Yeah. So glad I got to that.

Yeah. Cause now if you get injured, you can come back as a runner. Right. So I feel like you can but track and field is just different beasts that people don't understand. If I would took the football route definitely won't be running because you gain a lot more muscle. Like you gotta get power. I feel like some football player don't understand this different between that we actually do this year around, like I'll do football year round, just not going to just hop on something and just think you're going

to beat us, you probably can't beat the, um, the women of our sport. You think Tyree kill could be Chicago? Really fast. That's sweet. I see them. the women of our sport. You think Tyree Kill could be Shaqari Richardson? No. Really? Mm-mm. Fast. You seen him? I see him, but she's fast too. Yeah.

You got, I feel like a lot of people will disrespect the greats. She was one of the greats in our time frame right now. So I don't think he'd be here. In a 40 meter or so or a hundred meters? A hundred meters. Okay, yeah, a hundred. I think 40 meter or so or a 100 meters? 100 meters. I think 40 he might put up. That'd probably be close. I should think

she's with Dalgon. I showed Speed called her out. Did you see that? Yes. He's faster than people think. He definitely faster than people. He's still young. So to him, I just got to see him. I don't know his background or nothing.

So I don't know. But I definitely know Tyree. He raised Noah Lyles. Oh, I saw that. Yeah. But I don't think Noah was trying. No, Noah was playing around. So you can't even put that together. Yeah. Like that. So I feel like a play play. I can play with people all day, let them win and stuff and get, let them get their little thing and things like that. So I feel like a play play. I can play with people all day, let them win and stuff and get, let them get a little thing and things like that.

But you put some money in line. It's a different story. Yeah. How about you and Noah been getting along lately? Like I don't talk to them. So it's just like, meet, like I don't really talk to a lot of the track athletes. Really? You kind of stay in your own. It's not even about staying in my own zone. It's just like most of us not around each other. Like we live in different states, different countries and stuff.

So different cities. So I definitely don't talk to a lot of track athletes. Like people say I talk to them more at the track meet than away from the track meet. Oh, that's interesting. I don't think it's in session. It's just, that's how the take people. Yeah. I feel like we really don't talk to a lot of like, us track athletes probably just stay in the surroundings and stuff.

It's like who we grew up with or who we went to school with. That's probably who we talk to the most. Yeah. I think it's a very individual sport. What about during the Olympics when you're traveling with everyone? Are you talking to them then? Like for the relay teams and everything? No. Really? It's like when we go to training, that's probably the most we probably talk to people and then once we get back to the village, we go our separate ways. That's interesting. You guys got to get that bond you know so you don't drop the baton. I get it but I don't get it. Once we leave the village it's like we still going to

our own little world. We're buying for the relay but tracks still are individual success. It's just like when you go get that gold medal, you looking at the second place guy, ain't looking at the third place guy, they ain't looking at the white in the final. Ain't looking at one person. You're our relay probably can go win, go such and such. Nobody really care about the relay besides the

country itself yeah and we ain't we don't get no money or nothing for that no oh I thought when you win a medal you get money not really yeah like 37k ain't doing nothing yeah after taxes and that's 15k. Yeah, so it's like you gotta understand that part Yeah, you're spending more on that on training and yes fine. So you gotta let please like our like meats and stuff and The endorsement pay for that so we basically travel for free. Okay, well if we didn't get all that stuff our country not paying us So it's like, it's a doggy dog world outside.

So you got to hustle for matter of what. Yeah. Yeah. There's not a lot of money at the Olympics. There's no money at the Olympics. Zero dollars. That's crazy. Are we the best athlete in the world?

Yeah. We don't get nothing. No athlete get money from the Olympic games. That's so crazy. Cause they make a lot of money off of billions. Yeah. Well, we don't get no money from Olympic games. That's so crazy because they make a lot of money off of billions. Yeah. Well, we don't get no money from Olympic games. You think that should change?

Definitely should change because a lot of, not only my country, but a lot of other countries that less fortunate in USA. Yeah. Luckily I'm a part of the best country in the world, USA, to get all the benefits, to give our own shelves and stuff like that. And the Olympic Village, we got USA probably the best country when it hands down, when it comes to the games code,

we all own bubble. So we got the best of the best. So without that, a lot of other countries don't get the ACs get the bears and stuff Like we do so I'm definitely probably say you can say pilot on the best country when it comes to the beginning Mm-hmm that makes sense. Would you trade one of your Olympic medals for a million dollars? No, really? That's a lot of money. There's a lot of money. I'm bound think it's worth it Yeah, why would I trade something I work hard for?

I should just give me the million dollar plus the medal, but I would never trade none of my medals for no million dollars. That million dollar would be worthless. Yeah, because it's a symbol of all your dedication and hard work, right? I'd probably put more money into that medal than the million dollars. Yeah, sort of. A million dollars is not working. The top athletes spend six, seven figures a year on their bodies, right? Yeah. Yeah, LeBron James.

Yeah, so a million dollars definitely not work. I definitely don't work in the medal because I'm thinking I worked a lifetime since I was a youth for that medal. So why would I trade that medal in for a million dollars? Hmm. How common is cheating? Like have you raced against people that were using substances before? Not that I know of.

But it's, hey, what's the... Always come to light. So if you call, you can call. Yeah. I wonder how common it is because I know a lot of fighters do it. Like, none of my races that nobody got caught but whatever come... Yeah, I wonder how common it is because I know a lot of fighters do it like My man my ratios that nobody got caught but whatever come Wherever in the dark always come to the light. Yeah, no matter what I've always karma to yeah It's always gonna come to the light. Do you think mainstream media should cover track more?

definitely is tracking fields there outside the Olympic Games and if we follow the athletes around, you would get a better insight on life, track, and definitely all the other things that you think needs to know, not just about one person, but about all the athletes, because all the athletes in track and field are great.

Outside of just their sport is real life stuff with all the other athletes. And I feel like every athlete from United States to Europe, to Africa, to Asia, to everywhere, like is definitely lit and definitely different cultures and stuff that involve in track and field and definitely, if you get involved with one person, I feel definitely if you get involved with one person I feel like you should get involved with everybody because I got friends that all countries and definitely different insight on culture, eating, and things like that. It's definitely fun to be around different athletes, different cultures.

Absolutely. You learn a lot when you travel the world. Definitely. Definitely. I learn a lot. I've been to every continent. Absolutely. You learn a lot when you travel the world. Definitely, definitely like I learn a lot. I've been to every continent. Damn. So that's cool. Definitely love.

Definitely got them based in everywhere. I definitely love my fan base because I can probably go to any country. Just drop my location. Somebody can be right there. That's cool. Even the best food, all that stuff from the country itself. I gotta hear from you what country had the best food. I feel like the Caribbean, Africa, UK, so-so.

Not really, but so-so. But I feel like Kenya. Kenya? Yeah, Kenya, Jamaica, Morocco. It's a lot of countries I've been to that definitely has some good food. I can't like when you know, how do you use it when you when you was kids, when grandma bring that big plate, yeah, he bring that big plate and you eat it, you just want more, more and more.

So it definitely, the food is probably one of the biggest thing I'd go travel. I love that, bro. I'm the same way. Yeah, so the food is probably one of the things I'd travel for. If you think I go food, I know it's about to be good meat. No, 100%.

When I travel, food is like top three most important things. I think that's the top one. Besides my bed, food is definitely the top one. Yeah. If you can't get with the food in the country the trip will be pointless because you gonna be starving all day. Yeah absolutely. Well what you got next man? Where can people get in contact with you and keep in touch? My next meat is Miami, the next man slam. Like that's the next big one but I got a relay meet. Um and the gang is feeling that sweet. Cool.

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