Digital Social Hour - Inside the World of Crime Scene Cleaning | Matt Montague DSH #1357

Episode Date: April 29, 2025

Step into the shocking and fascinating world of crime scene cleaning 🚨 in this jaw-dropping episode of the Digital Social Hour Podcast with Sean Kelly! 🎙️ This week, Sean sits down with Matt, the owner of the largest crime scene cleaning company in California, Vegas, and Arizona, to uncover the gritty, emotional, and intense realities of cleaning up after tragedies.From gruesome crime scenes to heartbreaking natural deaths, Matt shares stories that will leave you speechless 😱—including encounters with decomposition, biohazards, and even the eerie aftermath of serial killers. Learn about the emotional toll, the strange smells, and the unbelievable experiences in a job most people can't imagine doing.Don’t miss out on Matt’s insights into the industry, the behind-the-scenes challenges, and how this work has shaped his view on life and death. 🧼💔 Plus, discover why women often excel in this field and how the team handles the toughest situations, from hotel tragedies in Vegas to hidden horrors in everyday homes.Tune in now for an eye-opening conversation packed with valuable insights! 🎧 Watch now and subscribe for more insider secrets. 📺 Hit that subscribe button and stay tuned for more eye-opening stories on the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly! 🚀CHAPTERS:00:00 - Intro00:32 - Building a Crime Scene Cleaning Company02:32 - What Happens to a Body After Death04:35 - Impact of Gruesome Scenes on Mental Health09:57 - EMF & Radiation Health Risks15:00 - Ground News Update20:07 - Belief in Ghosts and the Afterlife27:35 - Changing Perspectives on Death31:12 - Microdosing for PTSD Treatment34:54 - Link Between Physical and Mental Health36:39 - How to Get Crime Scene Cleanup Jobs41:07 - Dealing with Bad Reviews43:17 - Financial Losses in Business46:10 - Business Transition Strategies47:13 - Working with Insurance Companies52:44 - Finding Matt Online53:25 - Conclusion APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail] GUEST: Matt Montague https://www.instagram.com/dyingtoseeme/ SPONSORS: AIRES TECH: https://airestech.com/ THERASAGE: https://therasage.com/ GROUNDNEWS: https://ground.news/ LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ The views and opinions expressed by guests on Digital Social Hour are solely those of the individuals appearing on the podcast and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of the host, Sean Kelly, or the Digital Social Hour team. While we encourage open and honest conversations, Sean Kelly is not legally responsible for any statements, claims, or opinions made by guests during the show. Listeners are encouraged to form their own opinions and consult professionals for advice where appropriate. Content on this podcast is for entertainment and informational purposes only and should not be considered legal, medical, financial, or professional advice.#unattendeddeath #bloodcleanupprocedure #suicide #deathanxiety #deathplanning

is where somebody who has drank most of their life gets varicose veins on their esophagus and eventually these varicose veins depending on your heartburn or what you eat will burst and there's nothing you can do you're going to bleed out and every single time we do this there's bloody handprints on the bathroom sink like this sync like this. All right guys got an interesting one for you guys today. Crime scene cleaner Matt thanks for coming on today. No problem. Yeah so the largest crime scene company in Cali Vegas and Arizona right?

Yeah number one in California, number one in Vegas, number one in Arizona and I think like number four in Texas. Damn that's impressive that you're able to do that many markets at the same time. Yeah. Yeah. Cause obviously you're stuck in one location, right? Yeah. Mostly the California, but we do fly and go to other other spots to get them

going through, they're not franchised or just hours. How long did it take to build this thing up? Uh, man, 2010, I believe we started. Okay. So it's been, it's been a while. 15 years. Did it take off right away? No, no.

You know, I mean, I kind of faked it till I made it. You know, um, I think everybody does that and you do your first one and you bill it and you, you think, oh man, this is no way this is going to happen or this. And then, and then, you know, you get your first one and then your second one comes. And then it's always, man, I, you know, I hope to do one a month. And then it goes from, man, I hope to do one every other week, you know?

And then it just, now it's every day, something is happening. Damn, so you have one a day right now? That's about average. Holy crap. But remember, there's more than just a homicide or a suicide. There's people that die natural causes, people that die of natural causes in public areas, right?

Homeless, encampments. There's stillborn where there could be just blood everywhere. There's car accidents. I mean, there's just so many things that can happen. Yeah. When, when I say I clean homicides and suicides, everybody thinks, Oh, but they, they forget about the, the, the natural deaths that happened to, or the D comps that happen, you know, where there's an older person who doesn't have family member that checks on them or

they don't check on them as much as they should check on them. And then next thing you know, they've been deceased for two weeks and there's a smell coming out and the neighbors were like, what's that smell? Why are there flies everywhere? What's the oldest body you've seen decomposed? Um, probably a couple of months. And it depends on what is the heat indexed, you know, is it hot outside, cool outside, you know, ones that are buried, usually they tend to stay more, ground is

moist and cold and so it keeps, you know, preserves the body. But, you know, if you're in heat, I mean, it can start to liquefy within hours. Wow. So it starts to really, really be bad. In the summertime, it's especially out here in Vegas. Oh yeah. Oh my God. That's when you get the maggots. The heat. Yeah.

The heat and the maggots are just the flies and yeah, it's bad. Did that freak you out the first time you sell those maggots? Yeah. You know, you never get used to the maggots, you know, either, either you can see it, but you can't smell it or you can smell it and can't see it. That's usually the trade off, right? I can see it. No problem.

I can eat there. I don't have any issues, but the smell for me, it, it still to this day, sometimes it'll gag me. Wow. It's not throw up. Oh yeah. I've never smelled maggots before. It's so bad. It's like, yeah, it's like garbage truck juice.

Like, it's like, it's bad. That's nasty. Yeah. And when does the body start getting those on average? You know, like I said, it depends on the heat index. It depends on how long have they been gone. It depends on what was going on in their body or are they sick? Do they have any type of other illness going on,

cancer, such? Were they diabetic? Did they drink? There's a sweet smell to a diabetic that has been in like ketoacidosis, for example, going to diabetic coma. That smell is a sweet, because their blood sugar is just through the roof.

So the smell of that, and then you mix that with death, and it's almost like a sweet, like a sweet, it's bad. Jeez, fucking, it's pretty bad. This line of work must really desensitize you, right? I mean, to a point, I think we have an average of maybe Seven years that people work for us. Hmm, and then it gets to the point where they're like, okay enough's enough they they need to move on right because you know PTSD starts to come in because you all The Tri-Lite from Therisage is no joke. Medical grade red and near infrared light with three

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Or one died and a few other lived. But there's always going to be a death with us. It's very rare that... We do get these suicides where somebody will shoot themselves under the neck and blow the front of their face off and they'll live. But for not for long, I mean, eventually that just adds to the problems for them. And then they, they end up killing themselves in another way.

Geez. Yeah. I'm sure you've seen some really gruesome scenes. Really gruesome. Man. What's the one that freaked you out the most? I think that's, um, I mean, there's so many, but I think one of the ones that we ever did was we were training in Texas.

Um, and, um, this guy had been up on methamphetamines for a long time and I, and he cut his mother from her neck down to the top of her vagina. Oh my God. And then took like tree cutters and cut her rib cage open. And what? And then was eating her liver while he masturbated. What?

Yeah. That's insane. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. And then, so they arrest him. He had been high on meth so long that he just didn't know what he was doing. And so a couple of days go by and he detoxes

and he keeps asking for his mother, hey, where's my mom? Let me get a phone call. I want to get bailed out. And apparently from what I hear, he found out what he did through another inmate or something and he hung himself. Damn.

Killed himself. Yeah. He couldn't live with it. Yeah. I mean, you know, who, who does that to their mother, right? No matter what kind of relationship you have eaten her fucking liver while you're masturbate is pretty savage. Dude.

That's insane. Pretty savage, man. Wow. Yeah. You probably got people quitting when they see something like that. Yeah. I mean, it's not for the faint of heart. That's for sure. That's insane. Pretty savage, man. Wow, yeah, you probably got people quitting when they see something like that. Yeah, I mean, it's not for the faint of heart. That's for sure, that's for sure. We have women actually make better technicians than men

because they can handle more of the gruesome and the nonsense. Really? Yeah. Oh, I would have assumed the opposite. No, no, no, no. I mean, women are nurturers. This is what they do. They're, they're mothers. They're they can clean shit and throw up, right? Where we're like,

you know, anytime that there's anything like that. So now they, they make the best. They do. They make the most. And every time I get a application or somebody who talks to me on my podcast or whatever about it usually the women are 90% more interested than the men. mmm yeah really yeah you know they like all that crime novel and oh they love that stuff. The true crime. Yeah yeah flows to their veins. I'm not into it as much. I mean...

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There's, um, yeah, there was a guy that was cutting people up from what we understand they were, he was cutting them up and serving them in like a taco cart. Oh my gosh. Yeah. That's insane. So that was in Cali. Yeah. Parked on the side of the road and serving these up like a taco cart. Oh my gosh. Yeah. That's insane. That was in Cali? Yeah, parked on the side of the road and serving these up and people were getting sick and going to the hospital

and just fucking throwing up and- Holy crap. And they test the meat and it's human meat and they're like, you know, and it's multiple people, not just one, and it's all in one area and then apparently he goes to another area and so they've labeled him definitely a serial killer.

That's insane. Just nuts. So you only hear 12% of really what happens in your area anywhere, even Vegas or Los Angeles, or they're not telling you everything. Like not even close. No, no, because there'd be a pandemonium with everybody would be like, what? Like, I didn't know this.

I didn't, you know, how many times somebody will tell me, I didn't know that. I'm, I didn't know this. Yeah, man. That's like, it's there. Or they'll put it out as very minute at the bottom of the page type, you know, like out of sight, out of mind. Yeah. They'll hide it.

When I was in college, there was a few deaths and yeah, they hit, they hid them pretty much. A lot of suicides or ODs. Yeah. Some Adderall stuff, some drug ODs. But they, they hit it. Yeah. Drug ODs are real stinky too.

Really? Yeah. So I don't know if it's the body trying to push out the, whatever it has taken in, you know, but yeah, it's a, are you in a hazmat suit when you show up to, Oh yeah, we're in a full Tyvek suit respirator, depending on, depending on what, what scene it is, you know, sometimes we'll have a self contained breathing apparatus, like, like, like a scuba tank almost with a hand comes in sometimes we'll have people call them gas masks but I have cartridges on

sometimes we'll have a disposable it just depends on what is happening hmm yeah that's insane man it's gnarly yeah but it's needed because if no one was doing this you know yeah so so the phone calls that I get that aren't from an agency would be like, hey man, the coroner's left, the police left, the fireman left, and there's a pile of blood or brains or teeth or fingernails or whatever, and they just said, yeah, we'll see you later. I mean, that's really what it is. It happens to every scene. Police and firemen are there for an emergency. Emergency is done, body's gone, everybody's out. They're not there to be a Molly Maid service. They're not there to clean

it up. Right they just got to remove the body. Just remove it and whatever is smaller than two fists is left. So like I said, fingers, eyeballs, teeth, blood, guts, intestines, all that is left. So you can't just pick it up and throw it away because there's airborne pathogens, there's blood borne pathogens, there's all kinds, you don't know what this person died of. There's so much things that you can get sick from, but they leave it. So then we have to come in and, you know, um, we build a homeowner's insurance, which is covers it.

Usually 90% of it, of our work is insurance work. Wow. So if you pass away in your house, the homeowners insurance has to cover that. Correct. Yep. Yep. It's built into your, your policy. It's it'd be like a flood or like, um,

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or by scanning the QR code on your screen and see what you are missing. On policies, because it can be very expensive for us to come in and clean up biohazard. It's not like water, you know? Yeah. There's not many people that could do what you do. Yeah. I mean, there's only a few companies, you know, um, I I think in California you have to be on what they call a crime scene

practitioners list to do this and there was like 600 numbers on there, but they just revised the list and I think it's down to like 250 actual companies Wow, they got rid of a lot. I wonder what happened Well companies that just don't do it on a regular They don't keep up the certifications and don't keep up the entrances. They don't keep up a lot so they end up Finding something else that's more lucrative in the field, you know, and they they stick to that. Yeah in your county LA County There's a lot of deaths every day, right? Yes, like I think it's like 12

1266 deaths a day, which is crazy when I think it's like 1266 deaths a day. Which is crazy when you think about it. 1266 people a day. Now, that's stillbirths, that's hospital deaths, car accidents, homicides, suicides. That could be people that die in homeless encampments. These are terrorist attacks. These are just all generic into death.

So however somebody could die, industrial accidents. We did, I think a week ago we had a guy die on a freeway. A concrete mover ran over his leg and it ran it up so high that they couldn't get a tourniquet onto it right away. And he just let out. Oh my gosh. Sounds terrible. Yeah. I mean, you know, you know, you're dying. There's nothing that can, they can save you at that point. That's nuts.

You just got to accept that, right? Yeah. Wow. There's another death that we do that is where somebody who has drank most of their life gets varicose veins on their esophagus. And eventually these varicose veins, depending on your heartburn or what you eat, will burst. And there's nothing you can do. You're going to bleed out. And every single time we do this, there's bloody handprints

on the bathroom sink like this. And they're looking into the mirror like and they're as they're throwing up blood because it's it's just Constant blood you're you're bleeding out you like you hit a main artery, but you're bleeding out through your mouth or your rectum Oh my god, just coming out so they look in the mirror and it's like fuck I know I'm dying and they just look at themselves and then finally they go but everyone I've been to have bloody handprints like that Like dude, holy fuck. That's gotta be one of the worst ways to go out. Um, I've been to have bloody hand prints like that. Like, dude, holy fuck. That's gotta be one of the worst ways to go out. Um, I think so. Cause you're suffocating on your own blood and you're drowning and

you're, and you're bleeding to death. It's like a slow, like painful death, right? Oh, I think fucking drowning or burning, man. Burning is. Yeah. Burning's got to hurt the most. I'd imagine it's got to be on the top 10. Dude.

Have you had any bodies burnt? Yeah. I mean, that smells pretty intense. Yeah, I bet. Gets in your hair, even through the suits. Sometimes you have to take your clothes off in your garage. Wow. There's times that I've had it in my clothes and I've taken them off in my garage

and it'll start to make my garage smell. I just throw them away. Damn, I just gotta get new. It's that strong. It's that strong. It's that bad. Burning flesh. Burning flesh and even some dead bodies. Yeah. Wow. Even sometimes it just, it comes through that suit

and it gets on you like a fog. Like you'll have to wash your hair and you have to, it gets in your eyebrows. It's miserable. Jeez. The stench is just so bad. Yeah. I wonder how morgues and funeral homes deal with the smell Yeah, I mean they they they they have a powder that you can use

We use tea bags or coffee grounds in our in our masks, but it's still you're gonna it just It's kind of like putting a glade plug in right? It's gonna mask the smell a little bit, but you're still going to smell it. Yeah. Yeah. Dang. That's nuts, man. Do you believe in the spiritual side of things too?

Like ghosts and spirits? Yeah. I fuck. Yeah, man. I believe that I've been, I believe I've been on scenes where funky shit has kind of happened, you know, like something will turn on just out of nowhere or, you know, one of our machines will just turn off and turn on and turn off and turn on and just freaky shit that probably shouldn't be happening. Yeah, because if you're at a murder scene or crime scene, there's probably some high energy going on there, right? Yeah, I mean, yeah, you got to figure. Well, by the time we get there is 12 to 24 hours after it's happened.

But you have to figure 12 to 24 hours before that, there was just, just massive, crazy fucking fight, let's just say in there, you know, so some of that energy could still be there. You believe in? I do. Yeah. I believe in ghost spirits. I don't know what to call it, but yeah, whatever.

Like people have different labels. Yeah. I think there's another realm. Sure. Where when you die, you know, you're still kind of there. Yeah. They say it's a seven minute. Once you die, I've heard this from, from many people that when you die, there's like a seven

minute, we'll just call it a replay. I don't know if it's looking over your life, looking over, maybe looking over your life, maybe looking over at your loved ones. I don't know, but there's seven minutes of just like, fuck, you know? Yeah. No, I've heard that from near death experiences. There's a book on it. Yeah. We're like a thousand people all reported up. No, a life replay. Wow. Interesting, right? on it yeah we're like a thousand people all reported up no a life replay well interesting right that it i mean imagine you're just your whole life like just but is it a mind fuck like like

you did this wrong so and now you're dead you can't fix it it'd be it that would suck right it'd be miserable dying with regrets that's why i try even though though I'm, you know, fairly young, I still try to live with no regrets. I mean, you have to live your life like it's your last day. You have to. And it doesn't mean you have to go out and do blow and fuck bitches, right? Like it's not like, nothing crazy like that, but like, you know, we're not promised tomorrow. I have seen a lot of death and it's going to happen to all of us. That's the one thing that is guaranteed in life is death. And you need to be prepared when it's your time.

Yeah. Cause you've probably seen some young people pass away. I mean, that's the part of me that, that I think I struggle with the most, cause I'm a father. Yeah. And seeing kids get fucked up is just gotta be the probably the worst. Cause they're so innocent. Yeah. There's no, there's no, what, what, what,

what did they do? What, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know. I just don't, I just don't, I just don't, it's fucked. Yeah. It's a fucked deal, man. That would be hard. I can't even picture a young boy or girl just seeing that. Yeah. We did a house in Calabasas, Hidden Hills, which is in the Calabasas area,

but it's where a lot of predominant people live. I think the Kardashians live in Hidden Hills and a few other people. Anyway, we did a house in Hidden Hills and a few other people. Anyway, we did a house in Hidden Hills and they had an elevator in there. It went up three stories up and down. Elevators have, it's a safety switch in there. And basically when the doors open, it stops the elevator.

And then that way the doors could shut and nothing gets caught up top, nothing gets caught on the bottom. And this safety switch that was like 75 bucks went out. So, um, safety switch goes out and it's like 75 bucks and they're like, no, we'll just, we'll just do this, do that, whatever it is. So we, um, we go and here are these two little legs sticking out because this, this, um, this, um this elevator had come down and smashed this

kid. Oh my gosh. Killed this kid. Like $75. Do you live in a probably a six, seven million dollar home? That's crazy. Like you have an elevator in your home, you could afford $75. Right?

I mean, fucking nuts. So now the parents who will probably not survive their marriage, right? Because I think it's like 89% of people that have a child died end up getting divorced. Wow. I didn't know that. Yeah, it's a crazy. Yeah, because they probably blame each other, right? Yeah. Well, you blame and you never get over that, right?

And then here's another thing. The other children will always be affected because the child that died is always going to be here, put on this pedestal where these other children don't really get the, I mean, they still get love from their parents, but not like the focus that, you know, where a living person is. And they take, I think, I think the parents then take for granted the, the, the kids that are still living because they, everybody wants to know why, why, why did they go, what happened? And, and, and you focus so much on that.

And everybody does it, right? It happens even in a breakup, like, what the fuck did I do? What do we, what, what, what, what, what? And you focus on that, you know, a couple of months go by, you're, you're okay. But the death of a child, I mean, that could focus on that, you know, couple of months go by, you're, you're okay. But the death of a child, I mean, that could go on for a long time, go on for a lifetime. Yeah. Most, I'd say most people probably can't recover from something like that.

Yeah. I mean, and they, and they never fully recover. And they, and I don't think they're ever going to be the same either. Yeah. You know, it's something with them is going to change. Yeah. That would mess me up, dude. Yeah. Can you imagine? I mean, how old are you?

28. Yeah. I'm about to have kids soon, get married this year. Can you imagine? Like, it'd be gnarly, dude. Like, just, you're like, fuck, man. It's, it's, it's, it's, that's one of the worst, it is the worst thing of, of my job, is to, is to see a child, or, um, any type of person under the age of 18. Not that when you're hit 18, it's like, it's better, but I think it, you cope a little bit better.

You know, from my standpoint, I can cope better with an 18 year old than I can a 10 year old. Yeah, because they've lived some life. It's not like, like 10, you haven't lived at all really. Yeah, I mean, you, yeah, you haven't done much You haven't done much, you know, and I think people take that for granted. No, so you know

Everybody is so worried about this and that and this and that you know Do what makes you happy? Yeah, cuz you're not promised tomorrow. No hundred percent. Yeah, it's time flies man, dude I mean, I mean, think about it. 10 years ago, you were 18. Yeah. Just out of high school, right? School, yeah. And now you're doing all this in just 10 short years.

I know, my reunion is this year, 10 year reunion. I can't believe it. I mean, it's crazy, right? I got so many members from high school. It feels like yesterday. Yeah, and I'm sure you're just like, what the buck? Like, how did it even become this? And now, like you said, you're about to have kids

and marriage and you're about to be fucking 30. And next thing you know, you're gonna be 40 and 50. You're like, where did this go? Yeah. I wish I would have done this. I wish I would have done that. Even me who lives like that. I mean, I do, I live my life as day by day as possible

and like, fuck it, no regrets. But there's even times where I'm like, fuck man, I live my life as day by day as possible and like, fuck it, no regrets. But there's even times where I'm like, fuck man, I'm gonna be 50 this year. Like what happened? Damn. Where am I at? Yeah. Like, holy shit.

Crazy. Yeah, man. Has your view on death changed since starting this line of work? Yeah, I mean, in the beginning, I was just more of a, I was more of a... This is a paycheck, let's get it going. I would eat at the scene because I...

That's crazy to me. I could care less. And now I think it's like, wow, dude, I see so much. In fact, I've gotten to the point now where I try not to go to scenes anymore because it has... I think I got some PTSD from it. I mean you definitely are there's no way you don't. Yeah it's just it's fucking my head quite a bit so I I try to stay away from it. I have a

good business partner that when I started the company he came on shortly after and you know worked out a little deal and David is, he's an amazing dude. And he takes care of a lot of that, knowing what I have to go through. And so because of that, I owe a lot to David too, because without David, I don't think we'd be doing as well as we are either. And I buy little smaller companies that, when they pop up, I try to buy them,

and people that have some coming, but they're not doing the volume that we're doing. Because a lot of people think they can do this business, a lot. A lot of people, they can do this job, and a lot of people they can do they can do this job And then they get there and they hold their first eyeball And and it sets into reality. I've had people faint throw up pass out You know, and i'm out of shape. I don't want to be carrying you like a firefighter and then i'm out of breath and i'm

I'm discombobulated and i'm having to drink water and i'm irritated. I'm like, this sucks Yeah, damn you actually had someone like pass out. Oh yeah. Yeah. One of my first, first jobs is guy walks in and he's like, I could do it. I've seen this in the streets and that in the streets. We get in there and he starts doing this.

And I'm like, don't you pass out. I swear. I was like, he's a big dude. And he did, he passed out. Dragging him and dragging him. And I'm out of breath. And I get outside and I'm throwing up because I'm out of breath and you're in the suits. So in the suits, it's 22 degrees hotter in the suits.

Holy crap. Yeah. And you're sweating and you have a respirator on, so you're not getting as much oxygen either. I mean, it's miserable. Jeez. It's fucked. That scene must have been something else for a street guy to throw up like that or pass out like that. And then your deodorant starts to wear off. So now you're musty and you're in this suit and

you're like, dude, enough, dude, like enough. So I don't think that scene was that bad. It was a homicide or it was a, this guy tried to kill his wife and she ended up living and he ended up shooting and killing himself and wow blood everywhere he had chased her all over and he shot himself shot himself yeah yeah he was he was a he was a cop too she's a correction officer and they he fucking smoked himself oh my god after after shooting his old lady do you think your PTSD was a compilation of all the scenes or was it specific ones that really, I just think it was a compilation of everything, man. I mean, you see all this shit and these kids and this and that.

And you're like, fuck dude, you know, and, and, and, you know, there's other shit too, there's, there's, um, there's my natural life that happens. You know what I'm saying? So you got natural life going on, right? Plus all this other shit. So yeah, it's a compilation. But I think that the scenes are for sure did it. Have you found any methods on kind of healing that or helping in any way?

Psychedelics, have you tried those? So I'm sober. I don't drink. I don't do any drugs. I don't do any of that I don't do any of that. Um, because I like to be in control. But a lot of people have been telling me that I need to micro dose mushrooms. That it is does wonders for PTSD.

Um, and, um, actually, um, a buddy of mine, uh, Billy that, uh, used to work for the UFC, uh, him and Dana swear by, you know, microdosing for PTSD really, really does help. Um, but I'm nervous that I'm going to fucking bad trip and you can't have a bad trip on a microdose. No, no, for sure. I mean, I've never heard of it. I've met hundreds of people that have microdose. I microdose? No. No. For sure. I mean, I've never heard of it. I've met hundreds of people that have microdose. I microdose. You could probably have like weird feelings, but if in order to have a bad trip,

you have to be hallucinating. You have to be on a full dose. So microdosing is just a small dose. And yeah. So what does it do? You're taking one 10th of an actual dose. So you still get like get like a little, like, it's hard to explain, but you're not seeing anything, you're not hallucinating. So what is exactly does it do then? Just rewires your brain. I don't know the exact science behind it. To be honest, there's more better people that can explain that.

Do you feel like what you take it for, whatever it is, that it helps that specific? Yeah, I take it for productivity. And if I need like, um, just inspiration, so I'll take it like maybe once a month. Okay. I know some people take it every day. Some people take it once a week. Not they're dealing with more major issues like PTSD, anxiety, depression. So, yeah.

Well, I have done a full dose too, and that pretty much cured my mental issues. Really? In Amsterdam where it's legal. Yeah. No shit. Yeah. So you went to Amsterdam. That wasn't the main intention.

We were just there. I was young and stupid and you could walk in and buy it. Sure. Sure. But it helped a lot with my mental health. No shit. I don't have any anxiety anymore actually. Yeah.

I mean, I, I, that's why I quit drinking and everything else. Cause my fucking anxiety From this fucking job is yeah, just put me through the roof. I like that, you know where I'm just like on edge Yeah drinking probably makes it way worse. Oh, it's so bad. Yeah, it's so bad and then you know my my My younger brother was killed damn ordered so I had that going on You know my relationship with my mother wasn't the greatest. My relationship with baby mothers weren't the greatest. I mean, it just, it was fucking piling up. Then I started doing this job.

And the next thing you know, I'm fucking, everybody that even looks at me in a different way, I think they're fucking wanna kill me. You know what I mean? Like it's just weird. So you were paranoid. Paranoid for sure. Well, yeah, something like that, but more anxiety. Just fucking heart palpitations, just like, fuck, I'm going to die, I'm going

to die, I'm going to die. And I was going to the hospital and they're like, dude, there's nothing wrong with you. What the fuck is wrong with you? The heart's fine. Yeah, your heart's fucking fine. Like you need to chill, man. And so I went to the therapist and I did this and I did that. I quit drinking and smoking on the same day.

The cold turkey fucking no meetings, no nothing. And that helped by 80% to be honest with you. Um, you know, and then I was able to start slow breathing in through my nose, out through my mouth, counting. Um, so I got it pretty well under control at this point, but it's not like, it's not perfect. I can tell you that it's, it's still, there's still, but I would definitely try micro-dosing if, but it just makes me nervous. Yeah.

I could feel that. There's a lot of relation with physical health and mental health too. Yeah. So if your physical like health is terrible, like there's a good chance your mental health sucks. Yeah. I eat like shit. I eat horrible. Yeah, so that's why. But I'm also, when you're at a crime scene, it's not like you can just bring your lunch,

right? Right. Yeah, because it takes a full day to clean up, right? It could take weeks to clean up. Weeks? Weeks. Holy crap. Weeks.

Damn. It depends. So you can only, per OSHA regulations, you can only be in these suits for, depending on the temperature outside, but the longest you wanna be in those suits is 50 hours or 15 minutes. Oh, God. So you have to come out of the suits,

you have to hydrate, you have to take a 15 minute break, you gotta cool down, let the body, make sure everything is good, you don't want your kidneys to start failing, right? And so the hotter it is outside, the less time you can be in the suits. So at variables in the winter time, you stay a little bit longer.

We usually do about an hour in the suits. But in the summertime, 30 to 45 minutes. Damn. Yeah, it's like a sauna in there. Yeah. And then you got these latex gloves on, and they're doubled up, right? And we got booties on, and you know, you'll peel your gloves off, and it's just a full glass of water coming out.

Holy crap. Yeah. You're sweating that much? Oh, you're sweating bad. Damn. Bad, bad, yeah. I wonder if they can invent something more efficient, but it'd be tough.

It'd be tough, man. Those latex gloves are, they're fucked. They're so bad, they're so bad. Holy crap. I mean, you sweat and the suit doesn't make, you know, cause we put them underneath and then it's taped up and it's taped up. So there's no way of air getting in at all. Damn.

And then you have this respirator and it slows down your breathing. And so it's, um, that's tough. Jeez. It is tough. You mentioned agencies earlier. So you're getting calls from agencies to clean these up sometimes. So each county is different, right? So LA County, it is against the law for any agency to give you work.

And the reason is, is that let's say the coroner's office says, here you go, this is who we recommend. And we do something that is unethical or we do something that is not up to par, whatever mistakes happen, right? Yeah. LA County Corner does not want to be responsible for what a private company does. It's cover your ass, right? We get it.

So in those types of counties, they will hand them a paper with a list of five different companies on there. And they'll go, here's a list of companies that we known throughout, or you can look on the California crime scene practitioner list and go from there. And then they'll pick and choose.

Oh, got it. But, you know, depending on your SEO and where you're at, uh, you know, Google is your, your best bet. People use Google a lot. Um, word of mouth is also, you know, pretty good. Um, so Yelp, which sounds crazy that people go on Yelp, but they do. They go on Yelp for this. That's crazy. I go on Yelp, but they do. They go on Yelp for this. That's crazy. I go on Yelp for restaurant reviews.

Yeah. Yeah. They go, they go on Yelp and, and they leave. I mean, every business has every business in the world has good reviews and bad reviews, everyone. Just some have more. I have a really good, I think it's 4.9, which is probably the highest you can get. I got one or two bad reviews.

You can't please everyone. No. And remember a loved one just died. So you're not in your right state of mind. There might be things that I've told you and you have just missed it. And then you're like, fuck, I don't remember you saying that. Well, listen, I've been doing this a long time. I'm not gonna lie to you.

This is what it is, you know? But yeah, I mean, you know, and then there's times that we, I got a bad review from a guy that his wife was killed by her boyfriend. Damn. So it was his wife, they were estranged. Oh, okay. So it was his wife, they were estranged. Oh, okay. So it was his wife was dating a new guy

and the guy beat her with a hammer in front of his kids. What? And the guy was a pedophile. So the husband said, can I ask you a question? And I said, sure. He goes, you know, am I a bad father for allowing my kids to be around that guy? And I said, you do not want me to answer that question.

Let's just move on to, you know, what we're doing here. No, no, I need to hear this. Are you a father? I am, okay. At the time I was married, are you married? Yes, okay. What would you have done? I said, I would never allow a child molester to be around my kids.

So he was on the list like the child defender list and he knew that and he knew it so I said so he says so you're saying It's my fault and I go you asked me a question. I'm telling you this I would never allow that and um Fuck you. Fuck the kids. I, I hope this happens to you. I mean, just lost his shit. And I go, well, again, and, and, and he's just, just jamming at me and jamming at me and fuck your kids and I can't all kill them too. I mean, just, and I said, it's no wonder that your old lady got beat by a pedophile.

Just you know, just to dig it in. So I got a bad review for that and I'll accept that you know I shouldn't have said that but it got personal with that yeah fuck you start threatening my kids what do you think is gonna happen right you poke the bear so many times it's gonna happen everybody has a breaking point you do too I mean you're the most mellow probably do I got a point yeah but you're out of point too right yeah somebody keeps poking and poking it's hard to get me angry though I'll say that but you but you have I do have a tippy point. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure if you threaten someone

I really care about sure right? I said you're about to get married somebody threatens your your fiance You're gonna lose it. You lose your shit Like you know at that point you go into it doesn't matter how big they are how bad they are Fire flight. Yeah, you're gonna do what you have to do Yeah, you know and or die trying right? Yeah, you're gonna do what you have to do. Yeah. You know, and, or die trying, right? Yeah. So. Bad reviews aren't avoidable.

I used to stress over them, but. I did too. You literally can't please everyone. You could have the best service or product. Yeah. You just can't do it, man. And you know, somebody gave me some advice one time and he says, it's actually my son.

My son is 23 years old. He's got a master's degree in psychology. And he says to me, dad, look, you're so worried about these two bad reviews. Like you want to, because I asked him, should I go back and say my side of it? And he's like, for what? For what?

All you're doing is rehashing it. These are years ago. You're just reh of it. And he's like, for what? Like for what? All you're doing is rehashing it. These are years ago. You're just rehashing it and you're rehashing old wounds for them to leave it alone. And so since he told me that he's like, what do you care? Like, what do you care? Those people do not make your life. Everybody else who knows you and knows who you are and the kind of man you are and the kind of father you are, they don't care.

And he's right. Right. What do I care? So I live by that. I love that. Yeah. I really only value opinions of people I respect or care about. Yeah.

I mean, I'll listen to them. I think it's important to listen to, I think it's important to listen to, I think it's important to listen to everybody's side of opinion. Cause there's things that, you know, learning every day is important. When you stop learning and you think you're a know it all, that's, that can become, you know, problem. I see that battle with a lot of successful people

with their ego. Yeah. I mean, you think because you've made three, four, five, six, $10 million that you can stop learning. I've seen people lose 10, $20 million. I mean, big athletes, look at them. Same. Right? Just lose millions. And you go, how in the fuck did you lose? You know what I mean? Like it boggles my mind, but it also boggles my mind how somebody could be a heroin addict, but it happens, you know? So I get it, I guess.

It used to really boggle my mind when I see people lose money like that, but now that I'm getting closer and actually hearing their perspective on the podcast, it's like, yeah, that could happen to almost anyone. You know, a divorce here or there, and then a bad financial investment, you know, you can get wrecked. One bad financial investment is, can ruin you. Yeah, I've lost, so I've lost my money twice now and I'm only 28, so it's like, damn, I got some,

I'm glad I got that perspective because some people that never happens to until they're like 40 and they got kids. But you needed that, right? Oh, I needed it. I was making millions and cocky. Right, right. And just thought you were just untouchable.

Untouchable. And then you lost it and you're like, whoa. Yeah, and I lost it because of my own mistake. That's the thing. It wasn't like I randomly lost it. It was my fault. So you gotta take accountability for it too.

And do you, do you, did you feel like you learned from that? Oh yeah. I'm so careful with what I invest in now. I just made some really stupid investments. I got really emotional with some of them and No, you can't do that I'm glad you said it because that was that's the biggest thing is there's no emotion in an investment

Yeah, take you have to take the emotion out of it. You have to if you don't you're fucked You're fucked. Yeah, and that's why I keep friendships and investments separate now. It's mandatory. I've lost some friends. So I mean, my son and I, we had this conversation and he would say to me, why do you loan this person 50 bucks when you know they're not going to pay you back? I said, because that person will duck and dodge me for 50 bucks forever. And I never have to worry about this person asking me again for shit.

It was worth for me, it was worth to lose the 50 bucks, right? Because you kind of know where people are because I've had people come to me and want me to invest in this harebrained thing. And I'm like, no. Oh, you're different because now you've made money and you're, you know, oh, money's changed you. And it's like, no, motherfucker, I just don't want to invest in that. Like, that's crazy.

You know what I'm saying? So, you know, if it's that great of an idea, draw me up a business proposal. Let me read it. Well, why? I'm just telling you, no, no, no, do it right. This is what a bank would want to see if you were going to go in, right? Ask for a loan. And it's like, well, but you're not a bank.

Well, then why are you asking me for a loan? You know, invest in, in, in, you know, one of your hair, brain, you know, what a burgers. So, yeah, they never drop the plan. Once you ask for it. I've never had, I've, I've never had a person harebrained, you know, what a burgers. So, yeah, they never drop the plan once you ask for it. I've never had, I've, I've never had a person when I say, Hey man, draw it up, let's do it. Let's check it out.

Never had, never with a business plan. Never, not one time, but if you're not willing to put in the weeks and hours and days that it takes to drop a business proposal. What the fuck do I want to get into business with you? Long-term business. Fuck out of here. You plan on transferring this to your son one day? Are you going to sell it before then?

He doesn't want it. Why? None of my kids want it. Did you ask them why? I've asked every one of them and they're just not into any of it. They don't want any part of the death. The, they don't, they just don any of it. They don't want any part of the death. The, they don't, they just don't want it.

So I'll probably end up selling it as a, as a, as a whole, or piecing out each office. Yeah. Um, but I'd like to sell it as a whole on one day, you know, eventually, or David can take it. Is there like a big nationwide company that does this that would buy this? Yeah. So aftermath is the biggest, they're the Walmart of this. Um, the issue is, is that they are not well liked with the insurance companies

because of their billing practices. Um, they throw a lot of red flags. Um, in fact, I have been asked multiple times by insurance companies to review their bills, really? Yeah. And they pay me to do that. So they just overinflate numbers or big time. Damn.

Big time. That's not cool. I mean, I think they feel like, cause insurance is big money, right? They could, that's true too. Yes. Both sides of the story, right? Yeah, but you know, you got to look at it, right? Insurance is, is a Insurance is a scam.

Pretty much, yeah. The more I get older, the more I realize. The minute that you try to use your homeowner's insurance, it's a fuck it. Act of Congress to get something to do. Yeah, you got to fight for it. But they want their payment, you know, and then you have somebody die in your home, which is like usually not the fault of your own. Right.

And then it's like, it's jumping through hoops to get these people to. I had to fight when my car got broken into. Yeah, right. I had to fight with Lemonade. Talk about a window and a few whatever personal items you had in there, whatever, and they don't want to do it. No. They don't want to pay for it.

They actually, they're starting to do this. They stalk your social media. Isn't that crazy? Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, so my car got broken into, they were stalking my social media to see if I was using the car for business because it was personal insurance,

personal or commercial insurance. So they found I posted one time I was transporting like sports cards in my car. So I didn't get the full claim because of that. Isn't that crazy? I think that they are going to, so in California, a lot of insurance companies have moved out of California and stopped covering anybody or anything in California. Yeah. After the fires, right?

Even before the fires, they just pretty much told them, now fuck you, take us to court. Yeah. And then you're wrapped up in court for four or five years before you get anything. Meanwhile, the property is empty. Your personal property is gone. You have nothing. Damn. So that's probably making your job really hard, right? I mean, yeah.

You know, yes. Cali is your biggest market, right? Cali is my number one market for sure. Damn. Sure. You know, Vegas, everybody thinks that Vegas is like crazy, but remember Vegas sweeps everything under the rug. Like where LA County gets 12%, you guys probably get six,

if you're lucky. All the people that die in hotels, we signed nine NDAs, right? We can't discuss the, any hotel that anybody dies in at any time that is not national news like you know the the the route 66 or route 91 like of course that was televised anything else you're never gonna hear about it I've never seen a single news article about a Vegas hotel death of course not and I know it's happening and multiple times a week yeah there's a lot of overdoses suicides a lot that's why they remove balconies

people are jumping off That's right. Because what they do is people are like, well, this is my last hurrah I'm gonna go to Vegas and get some blow and fuck some hookers and then I'm gonna fucking I'm gonna check out Hmm happens all the time damn but they don't they you'll never hear about it never no No, because then it then it it deters People from coming to the hotel. Yeah ruins business Never. No, no, because then it deters people from coming to the hotel. Yeah, it ruins business.

Fuck, death is bad. Nobody wants to know if somebody died, drowned in your pool, this, that, nope. Close that whole floor off, get a company in there, get it back to normal before you even know. Damn, they'll close the whole floor. Well, maybe a section, but yeah, they don't want anybody on there.

Wow. While we're on there, they'll close it all down. They, maybe a section, but they, yeah, they don't want anybody on there. Wow. While we're on there, they'll close it all down. They want us to come in all plane vehicles, pull around the back because most of our trucks have crime scene cleaner across. Oh yeah. So you got to remove that. Flashing lights. Well, we have, we have vehicles that are just plain for that reason.

And you can't even wear shirts or wow. And you come at nighttime when everyone's sleeping? Depends. But yeah, I mean, we'll come in regular clothes and we'll run up service elevators and yeah. Damn, how do you take the body down without people seeing? No, we don't touch the body. Oh, you don't?

It's the corner. Oh, got it. Corner touches the body. We just take the parts or the the remnants of what was left Got it. Yeah, so we take it down. We have a like a 96 gallon Trash can you put out in front of your yard? We have those and they're red Which equals biohazard shot take those down service elevators where nobody else is and oh, yeah They're not gonna take a shit

That's not you know, what else does that too is airports do that a lot. Really? People die at airports. People die at airports all the time. Wow. ODs a lot. I did not expect that. ODs at airports.

I wonder why they're doing it at the airport. I think people get anxiety or, you know, and able to fly. They need to, whatever it is. I'm just guessing, right? Yeah. I don't like to fly but I have to I have to take a anti-anxiety medication really like fuck freaks me out damn especially these days right yeah right I mean what was there

82 crashes since 2025 started 80 crazy that's like the the most in FAA history and I hate to say it but I feel like it's only gonna get worse I mean these planes are 30 years old right there being maintained as well You know look at the job market right where kids these days don't give a fuck right about what they do What makes it any different building airplanes or well they rushed a lot of them building cars even the newer ones I'm not even like faithful in those. Yeah, I mean the private jets right all that shit you think oh private jet well you safer definitely it's not yeah actually kind of worse. I try to drive everywhere I just drove the Sedona it was like five hours but I'd rather do that than fly there. Yeah yeah I mean you can do it at your own pace you could just just chill enjoy the ride you know

depending on who you're with. Yeah yeah all that matters. Dude it's been a been fun working people watch you watch your podcast and keep up with. Yeah. Yeah. All that matters. Dude, it's been a been fun work. People watch you watch your podcast and keep up with you, man. Yeah. Dying to see me is my Instagram and my podcast. I kind of quit doing shows for about six months. I had my mom passed away. I had just a bunch of life bullshit happening. But I just got my studio built. I was talking to you about it. Yeah, it's my own studio. I own the property

I own everything so now I don't have to jump around because it's it's a lot but yeah, dying to see me on Instagram and Spotify and YouTube and all that stuff. You can find me on there and Yeah, what to get you to come on there and yeah, I mean I'm gonna be out here to doing some filming So yeah, we'll line it up man. Thanks for coming on today. That was fun Thanks for having me. Yeah, check them out guys. Check out the pod. See you guys next time later