Digital Social Hour - Instagram's Unseen Backlash: I Lost 1K Followers in 5 Mins! | Candice Horbacz DSH #807

Episode Date: October 16, 2024

🚨 Instagram's Unseen Backlash: I Lost 1K Followers in 5 Mins! 🚨 Join us on the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly as we dive into the wild world of social media dynamics and political discourse.... 🌐 This episode is packed with valuable insights as our guest shares their jaw-dropping experience of losing 1K followers almost instantly on Instagram following a controversial post! 🤯 Discover the impact of political opinions on social media followings, and how platforms like Parler and Twitter play into this complex landscape. 📲 Don't miss out on the revelations about celebrity endorsements, the challenges of voicing unpopular opinions, and the ever-evolving nature of digital interactions. Watch now and subscribe for more insider secrets. 📺 Hit that subscribe button and stay tuned for more eye-opening stories on the Digital Social Hour with Sean Kelly! 🚀 Join the conversation and be part of a community where your voice matters. 🎙️ Tune in now, and let's explore the digital world together! 🔍 #news #donaldtrump #trump #socialmediamarketing #communityengagement CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Intro 01:19 - Interview Starts 04:58 - Sambrosa 07:30 - Vegas Interests 10:15 - Political Polarization 11:32 - John McAfee's Tweet 12:02 - Interviewing John McAfee 13:02 - Power Dynamics of the Left 16:51 - Homelessness Issues 22:57 - Retiring at 27 24:56 - OnlyF*ns Impact on Adult Industry 27:40 - Exploitation in Adult Industry 31:50 - Exploitation in Adult Industry 37:05 - From Porn to Politics 41:15 - Closing Thoughts APPLY TO BE ON THE PODCAST: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/application BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: Spencer@digitalsocialhour.com GUEST: Candice Horbacz https://www.instagram.com/candicehorbacz https://www.instagram.com/chatwithcandice https://www.youtube.com/c/CandiceHorbacz SPONSORS: Parler: https://parler.com/ Sambrosa: https://sambrosa.com/ LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:02 we would not stand for that if that was a little girl. So why aren't we protecting that little boy the same way? It's disgusting. Good point. Bieber seems pretty traumatized from it. Of course. Of course. I mean, I think it's so easy to write off boys in general. Like girls, it's very easy to get behind and want to protect a sweet little girl. But boys, it's toughen up really quick or they can handle it. Tired of feeling like your voice is being drowned out on social media? It's time to experience the
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Starting point is 00:02:35 Damn. Yeah. That is crazy. Was that on Instagram or Twitter? Instagram. Oh, Instagram. Wow. A huge tank. Yeah. Some platforms are really like hateful of him so it seems like twitter loves him
Starting point is 00:02:45 though twitter does love him and i mean he's got like a really loyal audience but it's it was me at his desk and i just was like a five minute missed the guy by five minutes so i didn't even get to meet him and people still were just coming for me and they're like what about this this and this and this i'm like okay but what about all of these other things then are you also holding every single person that's in front of a camera to the same standard that you're holding him? Right. You're not allowed to make a mistake. And then there's also the question about intent. Like are the mistakes malicious or are they mistakes? Cause that matters too. Yeah. Yeah. I noticed you've been posting some political stuff lately, right? So was that the main reason you were out
Starting point is 00:03:19 there? Yeah. Doing a couple of political shows. I think it's that time is time of year. And for me, it's kind of like my sport. I don't really watch sports, but I get into politics. And my girlfriends will have election parties. It's so funny because the one she's like super Southern belle, conservatives as they come, married a really liberal surgeon. Wow. He is just so annoyed.
Starting point is 00:03:41 And they've got like the foghorns and everything. It's so good. It's so much fun. I don't know if I could marry the total opposite like that. I don't know if I could either. Because that's too much of a, you know, like I don't think I can marry a liberal. Like super liberal. Maybe a little bit.
Starting point is 00:03:56 Because I grew up Democrat. But now it's like. I grew up, my family was always conservative. Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. What state were you in? California. Really? But he was a cop. Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. What state were you in? California.
Starting point is 00:04:05 Really? But he was a cop, so they tend to lean right. My dad was a cop, and then my mom, her family, they immigrated over here. So I think that they also tend to be a little bit more conservative. That makes sense. Did you see the IRS union just backed Kamala? Yeah, and I was like, how is that a win? That's a brag?
Starting point is 00:04:24 Everyone hates that department. We're trying to abolish it so okay i've been surprised with some of these recent celebrity endorsements towards her they must have uh steph curry did one um there's a bunch of art music artists that just backed her um but it's like shocking to me taylor swift yeah but that one you saw that one coming you know yeah i don't know there were rumors she might go trump really country artists generally are yeah but she's fake country she's from pennsylvania and then is pretending to be kind of like the hometown girl which she's not yeah never has been but it makes you wonder if they actually support them or they're just getting deals you know probably deals because we do know that they're getting paid some people are getting paid for endorsements and then i think it's also playing the game like you kind of know
Starting point is 00:05:08 which way the system wants you to be so you want to play nice in the sandbox so that you can keep getting opportunities because if you're like the loud one that is opposing the group then you're difficult to work with we don't want you on the same set so i think it's also go along to get along to right yeah they do sacrifice a lot. You're seeing all the Diddy backlash. That's crazy. I can't believe it. I am not surprised, but I am surprised at, I guess,
Starting point is 00:05:33 like what they're, like the bottles of baby oil. Like a thousand bottles of baby oil. This oil seems really excessive. Like obviously that's not illegal in and of itself, but kind of weird. No, it's definitely weird. Definitely weird. And then now it's anyone
Starting point is 00:05:47 that has a picture with him is kind of getting thrown into this. And that isn't entirely fair because you don't know what people are doing behind closed doors. So to automatically assume everyone is kind of involved.
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Starting point is 00:07:59 point bieber seems pretty traumatized from it he of course. Of course. I mean, I think it's so easy to write off boys in general. Like girls, it's very easy to get behind and want to protect a sweet little girl. But boys, it's toughen up really quick or they can handle it. Or, oh, man, that'd be so cool if my teacher wouldn't know. No, they're still a child. And I remember this one time I was at a concert. And as you know, if anyone's been to any event the women's bathroom is always a freaking mess it's a line yeah and this mom had brought her probably like eight year old son in
Starting point is 00:08:31 with her to the bathroom and it's just filled with women he is so physically uncomfortable just like so so like they have feelings too and like their you know safety and body matter too so i yeah those videos are disgusting and i think that we should treat it the same way if he was a little girl in that yeah we'll see what happens with diddy man you think he'll make it out of this bieber or diddy no i don't think so i think there's just way too much evidence stacked yeah right and he's on suicide watch yeah there's that and then that video that came out with him beating cassie or cassidy i saw that yeah obviously not a good dude yeah in the hotel room that's terrible man yeah they're
Starting point is 00:09:06 saying jay-z's next i've heard that because there have been like a lot of rumors and it's all like tinfoil and i have no idea what i'm talking about i'm just regurgitating what i was what i've heard other people fear theorize but um that he was like involved in like certain other deaths and yeah yeah that there's like a whole elite thing behind the scenes and who knows who knows we're not suicidal right no no no no no very happy very live very happy we're voting in two months yes and uh nevada should go right i think this election do you think so last election it wasn't right but i think this this time it's looking better so i hope so i've never voted but'm going to probably vote this year.
Starting point is 00:09:45 What do you think people here care about the most that kind of sways their vote? The no tip is huge for Vegas because we're such a service-based city. So I think that alone will win a ton of votes. But then didn't Kamala copy Trump's campaign? So Trump announced that first and then she now is saying she's doing the same thing. But who knows if she'll actually do it. Right. Because a lot of these people just say these policies and then I wonder what percentage
Starting point is 00:10:07 of what they say beforehand actually they do. I looked this up and they said that it's actually surprisingly positive. Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. So I don't know, but it's Google and we all know that Google is also manipulated. Right. It's not an organic search.
Starting point is 00:10:22 They manipulated the assassination attempt yeah which was crazy you couldn't look it up why and there's no explanation for that and then it's it do you think that people are really falling for that or do they say huh this is interesting why are you doing this because that's my reaction it's like oh why are you censoring this do you think the masses are like oh yeah let me actually look at the assassination attempt of like reagan or something instead yeah i don't know because i feel like people in our circle were like more open to seeing the reason behind things but i'll go to like events where there's a lot of just people and i don't know they seem brainwashed yeah you know yeah it's kind of weird it really is do you think
Starting point is 00:11:00 that it's like an npc situation like do you think some people just aren't fully online i think they've gotten so good at just subconsciously influencing people through the media through music through school that by the time they're an adult they're just so there's so much information in their head that it's hard to break that you know opinion yeah and it sucks when it's someone that you like too for real like you just get pushed further and then they think you're crazy and you're like, but how don't you see all of this stuff? Yeah. Yeah. At the end of the day. Yeah. It should just be about the facts and the policies, not anything else. Not feelings. People bring feelings into politics. Yeah. And I think it's funny because everyone gets so mad at the young, you know, college age or high school age people that are starting to find a political
Starting point is 00:11:45 voice and i think that's why a lot of people were going after taylor swift when she formally came out to endorse kamala right but like that's part of growing up is like the you're letting your emotions run rampant and make decisions for you and um the way that you see your the world is with like this bleeding heart and you want to fix everything and i think that that's normal and then through maturity and time eventually that hopefully levels out but yeah you can't get mad at a teenage girl or a young girl for you know behaving like a young girl that's just a stage yeah do you have a lot of friends scared to voice their opinion oh yeah same people just avoid it all together like we cannot talk about this i'm like why more people need to because then you realize you're not by yourself and then that's where you actually start to facilitate some change but
Starting point is 00:12:28 if everyone kind of like pretends that they don't or when they're doing the polls like the polling isn't always accurate because they don't want to admit that they're voting for someone because like oh well now you're gonna think i'm a bad person so why are we conflating the two things that doesn't make sense either like you have no idea why i'm voting this way so maybe ask and approach it with curiosity instead of automatically dumping me into some bucket. And now you're saying like, I,
Starting point is 00:12:49 I support like conspiracy theories or whatever it is. Right. Just like when I posted the Alex Jones, I'm like, well, what about this is like so triggering to you? Cause you're not holding anyone else to that same standard. Right.
Starting point is 00:12:59 Cause they talked about him lying. Um, the Sandy hook thing is like the biggest thing. And he's obviously admitted to that being like a horrible mistake and like wrong um but like they're name me an anchor that hasn't done that too or like a public health figure or even a president that hasn't done that so if you're gonna have that standard just have it evenly agreed i mean no one's shooting 100 but look how many times alex jones has been right it's actually nuts. He called the RFK joining the Trump party like a week in advance and everyone was like, that's not going to happen.
Starting point is 00:13:29 Did you see there's this old tweet of John McAfee circulating today? I didn't see it. It was from 2020 and he said there was a time traveler. He just met a time traveler. He just met a time traveler. And what he told him was that Biden steps down because of mental health issues and you won't believe who they replace him with.
Starting point is 00:13:51 No way. Yes. What? I'm like, holy cow. So time travel is real. According to John McAfee. And this tweet was from 2020. I mean, what are the odds of that?
Starting point is 00:14:00 What are the odds of that? That's nuts. I don't like how he, his demise was crazy no i um believe i'm the last person to interview him really which is bonkers yeah we did his uh it was obviously digital because he was over in europe and then it was two weeks later and i was like holy cow what was he like mentally on that interview he was fine i mean he's definitely a character and he played he was was playing into it, but by no
Starting point is 00:14:25 means was he, did he seem suicidal, you know? And I was talking to him and his wife before and it just, it doesn't make sense to me. It seems very easy once you're in the prison system to just get killed. You just cut the camera. You know what I mean? Because it's already a violent environment. So you're like, you know, of course violence is going to happen in a prison. It's crazy that we didn't find out what actually happened with that too like nothing ever came out same
Starting point is 00:14:49 with uh epstein and you got his brother going on podcasts like even he doesn't know what happened wow like it's sad you know like you should at least have that closure on like who kills your friend or brother or whatever it's not it's scary it's really scary how much power that there seems to be there's they're saying trump has five groups trying to kill him right now five different organizations holy cow alex jones tweeted that yeah man and then you have to ask yourself like why why is he doing it and some people are saying because he'll go to jail if he doesn't do it but i mean the guy's sacrificing a lot he almost died twice yeah he's a grandfather yeah his grandkid just uh endorsed him did you see that no oh you didn't see that no that's so
Starting point is 00:15:33 cute meanwhile you got tim waltz's family not even endorsing him that's a bad sign right yeah i think so if your own family yeah i mean family's important your own family. Yeah. I mean, family is important. Family is the future. If your own family is not supporting you. To me, that's a bad sign. Kind of. But then you have to look at RFK though, right? So RFK's family and him are very estranged and they kind of put him on the outside. And I think he's the good guy because his sister seems a little bit nutty.
Starting point is 00:16:00 She's the person that's helping fund these people. When you see them throwing cans of soup on priceless pieces of art, she's one of the people that's funding all of this. So I actually like that they're not supporting him because if she did, I wouldn't like him. That was also a party change too. So I think it was a bit more extreme because he went from Democrat to Republican. And their whole generation was Democrat, like his grandfather and everything. Yeah, but that has like a whole new meaning too now. So what is a Democrat today versus what was it 20 years ago it's wildly different things i think especially when it comes to the idea of free speech it is mind-blowing that
Starting point is 00:16:34 they're the ones that are trying to stifle it the most like liberal liberty like where did this plot get lost yeah do you have people on the left on your show ever um yeah i do i do it's um i tend it's so weird i feel like i'm a glitch like i'm a glitch in the matrix because i find myself in a lot more conservative spaces and they're always so kind and welcoming to me and a lot of them are like yeah i don't really agree with your previous career or like we have different ideas on what sex and union are and it's all very polite and very civil like i've never really had a bad experience but on the other side the side that champions sexuality and sex work and all of that because of my political views and like leanings um and
Starting point is 00:17:17 opinions like oh she's terrible fuck her interesting i'm like what i thought you guys were the tolerant ones wow i didn't know they had that stance on on that okay oh yeah i got um i was already out of the industry and this is like the biggest joke i retired in 2017 and then during 2020 i was very i got like really into politics and i was um vocal about supporting trump and there was a blacklist that started going around the industry saying not to work with me. And I was laughing. I'm like, I've been out for three years. So, okay, make your little blacklist. That's crazy.
Starting point is 00:17:50 Damn, I didn't know the industry was liberal. Oh, so liberal, yeah. Holy crap. Well, follow the money, right? Yeah. Because 70% of the wealth is in the left party now. I just saw Tucker talk about this. And 30% is Republicans.
Starting point is 00:18:03 So they have power. But isn't it? It should be unacceptable. And it's really discouraging that money is a factor when it comes to picking our leaders because it shouldn't be. It shouldn't be. But Kamala's raising three times what Trump's raising. So I get her ads every day.
Starting point is 00:18:18 I just drove back from LA. She was on every Spotify ad the way home. I get mail ads, newspaper ads, everything. I get so many texts. And then I forget which one of my friends gave me this idea but i started sending back a picture an ai picture of trump and kamala kissing so every time someone sends me a text for donations i just send that that's so funny is it a real person or is it like automated no they're real people they're like they're campaign people right like they're doing the trail with her and trying to get
Starting point is 00:18:43 like reach hearts and minds i'm like take this it's so crazy because she's freaking phone she's raising hundreds of millions when that could be used to like solve actual issues right now homeless people or whatever yeah well we can't do that because then we would lose a lot of jobs right think of all of the people that have to provide for their family to continue the homeless problem gotta think about them too that's true, it's bad in Cali. Is that where you're from, Cali? Yeah, Southern California. I just got back.
Starting point is 00:19:09 It was everywhere. It was crazy. I haven't been in a long time. The last time I did go, I remember when Venice was beautiful. That's where all the cool people were living. And Santa Monica was like all of the families and it was so safe.
Starting point is 00:19:24 And then I went back a few years ago in Santa Monica, there's like homeless people everywhere coming into the restaurants. Venice is just you can't even see the sidewalk. There's so many tents. And I'm like, how are you guys allowing this? Right. Right. How you have to fix it before it gets to that point. And then you see these smaller cities where I'm at now in North Carolina.
Starting point is 00:19:44 We have a pretty decent homeless population and it's at that point where you have to fix it or it's going to exponentially grow into this other thing that you can't fix. Right. You said in North Carolina? Wow. I didn't even hear about that. Yeah. It's everywhere. They had a whole camp. The state ended up buying some of the land and leveling it. And then so then the camp just moved. And I think that actually made it worse because before you knew where they were and now you don't. And then there was just like needles everywhere. So, I mean, even in a small, cute little beach town, there's like a heroin epidemic and a homeless population that's starting to grow. And it seems like the government right now is favoring illegals over our own citizens when it
Starting point is 00:20:21 comes to shelter. Well, that and then also the benefits. So you come over and they're giving you money, a cell phone, you're staying in a nice hotel. It's like, well, what about our homeless people? Right. What about the citizens that you actually have a responsibility for? And then you start following the money. You see these cities get a budget for the homeless and then nothing happens. So where's that money going to? So they kind of want homeless people in a sense because they keep getting paid. Yeah. You know, it's messed up. Yeah. It's like, what do you do? And some of these government programs in general, like I just saw one that was, have you heard of the all in podcast? So they were talking about a program where they were trying to bring wifi to like third world countries, hundreds of millions of dollars budget.
Starting point is 00:21:00 They didn't bring any wifi to anyone. Like like literally no one got wi-fi and they all the money's gone and we don't know where it went no oh yeah convenient like look into that one that one will blow your mind and there's no accountability no so now with trump bringing on elon to help with this government overspending that's going to be massive because then we could actually fix some problems yeah and i think it's it's kind of like the Avengers that I see happening, right? So you've got Trump and now he's got Elon. You have RFK that's going to help with agriculture. You have Tulsi Gabbard that's helping him.
Starting point is 00:21:34 So it's like this really cool hodgepodge of people that are coming together and they're all so wildly different. And then for some, like a party that's always preaching diversity, like that's the most diverse thing I've seen in politics in a long time. For veck too they got him on there yeah they got a diverse group right so like maybe if that's the thing that you're is valuable to you pay attention
Starting point is 00:21:54 to that like take your emotions out of it get rid of the trump derangement syndrome and just you know have a peek yeah is north carolina pretty pretty liberal or is it we're i would we're definitely like a flip state so we'll see where it goes it was um i think we were blue last election cycle and then before that we were red yeah i heard it comes down to like pa and a few others this election so yeah fingers crossed i'm actually scared like what do you what do you think i hope he wins but i don't know what poll to trust there's so many every day i see a poll where she's winning and he's winning so it's like i don't know what to trust yeah and even though it seems like it's really close which it is it's still kind of far out so i don't know that the polls are going to be accurate anyways because i think some people might make a last minute decision but yeah i don't know i think um i think it'll be worse if he wins momentarily.
Starting point is 00:22:46 Because every time that it doesn't go the left's way, that's when you see riots. You don't really see it the other way around. At least that's I haven't. No, that's a good point. They always say that the right is so violent and they get so mad about the Second Amendment and yada, yada, yada. But we don't burn down cities when our candidate loses. Right. Yeah. When I was growing up in jersey i thought republicans were evil they had guns and they were mean people you know what
Starting point is 00:23:11 i mean and they're like the nicest dudes yeah yeah it's crazy just the programming like on the media it really gets you at a young age you know you believe that stuff for sure and then your parents influence is also really important yeah they say it's the the middle class like party right being democrat that's what they say but then it doesn't explain all the service members uh service um members because they're all technically middle class like military first responders nurses like they tend to all well not nurses i'll take that one back but um military and first responders they all tend to kind of lean right. And they're not making a ton of money. Right.
Starting point is 00:23:48 Yeah, I've seen a bunch of police officers back Trump, like multiple cities. Yeah. And firefighters. So that's a good point. And they're serving the country. So they actually know what the issue is. And a lot of military guys support Trump, too. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:01 And I think, did you see, I think it was during the debate or maybe it was a campaign ad and they were trying to actually like knock trump um they were using part of an interview where they were asking him about the ukraine russia war and she's like do you which side do you support and he goes i support saving lives and like ending it figuring out how to do this um through dialogue and trying to come to some agreement and they're like see he's soft on russia i was like no he just doesn't want to like have american citizens get murdered and mowed down for no reason that's it you know what i mean yeah he's anti-war he's anti-war but they were trying to paint him as like weak or a russian asset i was like no
Starting point is 00:24:38 you're weak because you're going straight to violence every time because you want to get paid and that's why i like him because war fuels the economy. So it makes us a lot of money, but he puts human lives over that. So I love that stance. Yeah, exactly. But most other presidents are willing to start wars just to fuel the economy, but then lives are lost. So yeah, exactly. Yeah. How tough was it retiring in 17? Was that a big moment for you? It was really scary. It was. Did you have a safety net? No. Oh, you didn't have a financial safety net? No. No.
Starting point is 00:25:07 And I was like the main earner. So it was terrifying. And I had probably been thinking about it for at least a year before I did it. And I had this fear that I was going to, I don't know, be forgotten, not be able to turn it into something else, or that that decision was so taboo that it was going to close every other opportunity off. And it just like lots of what ifs and a lot of self doubt. But for me, like I'm really intuitive. I believe in listening to your body and like hints from like God or whatever. Like I think there's always little breadcrumbs of what is the right path for you. And I kept getting like really huge cysts every time I was trying to book a shoot.
Starting point is 00:25:49 I was living in North Carolina, so I'd have to fly to L.A. So I'd go to book a shoot. When I say a big cyst, I mean like the size of a lemon to where my doctor was like, if this bursts, you will have to go to the hospital so you can't shoot. Holy crap. So I'd have to cancel. And this happened at least three or four times. And was like okay i i have been done and for some reason i'm letting fear make a decision and i'm really big into um not doing that like if you're scared like do the
Starting point is 00:26:16 thing um so yeah fear was um making me i have all of that self-doubt so i was like no it's just time and listen to my body and listen to the timing and i'll figure it out and it was just i had kind of bad experience after bad experience that i was you know it's okay i'll just not work with that person or this is just normal for the industry like they're of course they're going to push my boundary or of course they're going to try to get more for their money and right and just kind of looking at objectively and i was like no this is really shitty and i just shouldn't be putting myself in this situation anymore dang so was the fear and anxiety causing those physical cysts on your body? What was that?
Starting point is 00:26:47 No, I think that was in a weird way. That was fate telling me to be done. Wow. Yeah. So it was a sign, you think, to end it. I do. Damn, that's crazy. But then OF kind of changed the game, right?
Starting point is 00:26:58 So first it was Snapchat. So everyone was kind of using Snapchat in a way it wasn't meant to be used. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah. Like sign up for my. Premium that. Yeah, it was massive. And then it was so cool because for the first time, performers got to see their actual value. Because we have always been told you're worth a couple hundred bucks. You're not worth royalties.
Starting point is 00:27:17 We're not making a lot of money. Meanwhile, it's a multi-billion dollar monopoly, essentially. And all of these guys are driving exotic cars, living mansions have multiple houses around the world but you're telling me there's no profit margin and i'm only worth six hundred dollars this is really crazy so you have that model and then you have a basically it starts to get decentralized and then the same performer who's being told she's worth we'll say average about 1200 a scene is now making i don't know like 50k in a month she's like whoa hold on that's my brand that's the value of my brand so it started giving options to performers to where they could actually exercise their agency and not be bullied into doing certain scenes or having a cap on what
Starting point is 00:27:59 they're charging and i think it was really good for sure because it's a safer environment you get to choose who you're filming with before you would show up and did you even know the guy half the time well for me I had a yes list so I only worked with people off of a list and I was told I couldn't do that oh really yeah I'm like oh it's my body so this is my this is my yes list and then people like other girls would kind of look at me like huh like I didn't know that was an option but they wouldn't follow suit because I got labeled as difficult. I got labeled as being a diva and I wasn't booked as much as other people because of these things. So I think that they chose to be busy and to be agreeable and nice and have a better reputation than doing what they actually wanted to do, or I just didn't give a shit.
Starting point is 00:28:37 So I was like, this is the way I'm going to do it if I'm going to do it. And were you getting in that industry for money primarily? No, actually I wasn't. And I, I know people are probably going to say that you're full of shit, but I was working, I had three jobs. I was bartending and I was working at Hooters and another, like just a small pub, but I was working at a Hooters in Myrtle beach, which is golf Mecca of the country. So I would easily clear like around a thousand dollars a shift wow i know crazy crazy crazy crazy like slinging chicken wings so um that actually saved me because when i started shooting and they would start quoting me for scenes they would lowball me and i'm like i'm not i make more selling chicken
Starting point is 00:29:16 wings i'm not doing that and then these other girls were like she thinks she's better than us i was like no you guys just don't understand That's not enough money for what you're doing. It's not even close. So I think that that going in, um, being already kind of financially stable in some sense helped me. And then it also helped me not work with certain dodgy companies because they couldn't afford to book me for scenes because I wouldn't go lower than a certain scene. Um, so in a weird way, again, like everything kind of lined up for me. Not for sure. Help. Cause you weren't as desperate to just take every single offer you got. Yeah, exactly. No, for me, it's weird.
Starting point is 00:29:49 It's something that I can't really pinpoint. This is the exact reason that I got in. I think it's a whole host of reasons. Part of it is absolutely going to be childhood and how you were parented and your relationship and all of these things and culture and what is popular at the moment and what is being thrust onto young girls is like, this is what you should want to do. So all of that, yes. But for me, when I made the decision to finally get in, it was like this really weird pull of needing to figure out who I was and I didn't know. And I had like a real aversion to like my sensuality and my sexuality. Like I was really, really rigid and I didn't want to be. And I knew like it wasn't mine. It was kind of given to me from other people and other things. And for some reason, that was the
Starting point is 00:30:30 place I wanted to kind of discover it. And I know that's like the most extreme, but I was kind of called to it. So you used it to find yourself in a way. I did. That is interesting. I did. I've never heard that angle because I feel like a lot of women do it for money primarily. Right. And that's the worst, worst thing you could do because the average career is about a year that's it that's it and most people because they get in so young because again 18 which is insane they don't understand taxes so then they spend everything they make they end up owing 30 percent at the end of the year and they don't have it. So they actually leave in debt, which is terrible. So now you have this thing on the internet forever. It is going to create problems if it did well, right?
Starting point is 00:31:10 And now you're in debt. So what was it all for? Right. And I've seen a couple former adult actresses talk about it negatively, like Mia and Lana, right? Yeah. It's important. Everyone has their own experience in any industry, right?
Starting point is 00:31:26 So you can go in the music industry, like we were talking, and there is going to be like corruption and just like illegal activity and all of the things. I think that exists everywhere. I think it's more salacious in the industry because it's so personal. It's your body. And I think that that's where that transgression gets more attention. I think it's really important it's your body and i think that that's where that transgression like gets more attention right i think it's really important to have boundaries most women have a really hard time
Starting point is 00:31:49 saying no and if they have a no then they try to explain it and then that gets you into more of a mess and it's not victim blaming at all but i am saying like if you don't say no then you're leaving the door open for a yes later. And I have been in several situations where it could have gone very bad. And if I didn't say no, and if I didn't have my boundary, then I would probably have a very similar story to both of them. But I didn't. I've always been a little bit more disagreeable. It's just kind of my nature and that's helped me as well. But yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of things that need to change in the industry. It makes no sense that for mainstream acting that they have intimacy
Starting point is 00:32:28 coaches, but for porn where you're actually having sex, there's no intimacy coach, right? So, and the role of that person is to make sure that consent is there, that both partners understand like do's and don'ts, boundaries, what happens, how to stop all of this. It keeps everyone safe. So you have it for this thing where it's much less likely that it's going to go bad and you don't have it where you're actually playing a more high stakes game that doesn't make sense and again there are plenty of resources so for the companies to say we can't swing it is bullshit yeah they need that especially if they have the budget for it yeah they do i i don't want to see you driving five ferraris and
Starting point is 00:33:02 tell me that you can't have someone on set for $150 to make sure that no one gets assaulted. Right. Damn, so that happened? It happens all the time, yeah. Holy crap. One of my really good girlfriends from the industry, and she's a huge name, got assaulted on a scene. And it was very, very public. And she was public about it.
Starting point is 00:33:20 I don't know if you can look it up. It was Nikki Benz with Brassers. I don't know how it ended. but it was she's a huge name. Yeah, she's been on the show. So if you do that to her, what are you doing to someone who no one knows? Right. And that's a huge company. And the thing is, is these big companies like as bad as they can be from time to time, they're nowhere near as bad as the ones that are like the dodgy website that someone just throws up and a guy with a handy can.
Starting point is 00:33:46 Those are even worse. So I don't know. You have to take your safety into your own hands to some point. You're responsible for your own safety. So don't put yourself in situations that are going to be a really big problem. Always have someone know where you are. Don't just show up to a shoot and not tell anyone because you're embarrassed that's so dangerous um but yeah i think that the industry definitely capitalizes and takes advantage of girls for sure that's crazy so were there times
Starting point is 00:34:13 you felt like kind of unsafe yeah absolutely and um i've had i've had directors like put their hands on me in the middle of a scene that's where they have no they have no business doing like you're the cameraman um i've had people say like well if have no business doing. Like you're the cameraman. I've had people say like, well, if you say anything, we'll get you blacklisted. I'm such a big deal. So they'll try to pressure you into things. I've showed up to sets that were supposed to be just like a girl set, which is very mild. Like you're doing anal today.
Starting point is 00:34:41 And I'm like, excuse me. And then a female director on set saying like, well, we kind of have to keep going. Like, how dare you? Damn. And sometimes the women are the worst. The directors? Yeah, because to get to that level of success, you kind of have to play like the boys game and shed off any feminine energy that you have, any need to nurture or protect, like the things that are natural to you.
Starting point is 00:35:03 So they end up being more masculine and aggressive than the men interesting wow yeah yeah that makes sense though holy crap yeah i didn't know all this went on behind the scenes because as a consumer they just show up and watch the video they don't even think about this stuff right which is why there's this really good book it's called ethical porn for dicks by david lay i recommend it he's awesome he's a psychologist really cool dude but we have this idea that all porn is unethical and i don't agree with that so it's like if you want to make sure that all of it is consensual of age legal right support the creator don't support these big companies because these big companies chew these people up and spit them out
Starting point is 00:35:41 they don't give a shit none of them give a shit so if you're going to consume it i think following individual creators and only fans things like that that's the way to do it yeah absolutely what do you think of that porno documentary on netflix that was viral a few years ago um is that the trafficking hub thing i think it was yeah they got in trouble for human trafficking or something so the human trafficking label is really interesting. We helped get a nonprofit off of the ground that works in Nepal, but now they kind of train globally like boots on the ground to help save women and children from the sex trade. So it's something like we're really involved in trying to eradicate. The term, though, is a problem because it applies to so many things. So you can take a consenting adult who's, let's say, an escort, travel her across state lines for a party, and that's trafficking. Really? Yeah. Wow. So we can't call that trafficking because you're actually doing a disservice to victims that are
Starting point is 00:36:34 being chained to floors. Those are very different things. So I question what the trafficking charges actually were. And then when it comes to all of the illegal content that was on the platform, well, obviously that's disgusting and not okay. And the way they were operating was reckless. Like anyone can upload without any verification IDs or video saying I consent is abominable. I agree with that. But the amount of videos that they found on Pornhub was something loosely around 20 million. Now that sounds like a lot until you hear Facebook's numbers. Facebook reported over 150 million pieces of abuse content. And abuse content also includes children and minors. So you have 20 million and you have over 150 million. The difference is, is Facebook is self-reporting what they find or some of what they find where porn have made it a little bit more difficult. So I think that played into public perception. But if you're online, it exists.
Starting point is 00:37:26 If it's on a platform, it exists. So how do you get around this? And especially with the development of decentralized internet via satellites and then Web 3, I don't know that you can. It's going to be tough. And then AI makes it so much worse. And there was this movement of some people where they were saying, like, let's um ai content with children and that will save real children which what yeah i know bonkers this was being propped up well what's happening is that is actually happening now and the ai is so hyper realistic that now professionals are having a
Starting point is 00:37:57 hard time real like distinguishing is this a real child or is this not a real child and it's making it so much more dangerous for the kids so whoever had that idea it was very dumb and it's very wrong and it does not work that's disgusting it's disgusting yeah i remember when the deep fake porn was a big deal right yeah they would put celebrities on bodies it's probably so accurate now yeah that's scary it's only gonna get better yeah that's really concerning oh my gosh yeah the trafficking thing is good to know because i think when the general person hears that term like they see tate trafficking and diddy trafficking they think of like the handcuff thing yeah no no it's it's that whole spectrum so i think that that needs to
Starting point is 00:38:33 be way more um way more concentrated and defined because the way that it's it's too broad way too broad because even when i heard the tate trafficking thing i was like what he's tying people up like he's trafficking no no that's what they want you to think yeah they can very loosely so if you just fly and escort out to a different country state even that's trafficking yeah what yes that's so nuts i know because that's a felony that's like a big charge yeah and to pretend that that's the same thing is is it's so dishonest holy crap that's nuts same thing is, is it's so dishonest. Holy crap. That's nuts. Um, so transitioning from that industry into politics, I mean, that's total 180, right? Yes and no.
Starting point is 00:39:11 I feel like sex has always been political. Has it? I think so. I think historically it's always been something that is very evocative. It makes people very charged one way or the other. Um, I think that there has always been specifically with the female body it's always been political so like what you can show how you can use it like what's yours what's not yours it's always been political interesting yeah that's a fascinating take i never thought of it that way
Starting point is 00:39:34 but do you get a lot of like hate oh of course because everyone expects me to be liberal because they're like well that's the side that supports your industry. And I don't care what they, like, I'm my own person and what's most important to me are these other things. And in my personal experience, again, a lot of people on the right are fine and most people aren't trying to make it illegal. Some people absolutely are. There's no question about that. And there are also some people on like the radical left that want to make it illegal as well. I don't, it's part of the First Amendment. It's going to stay there. It should stay there. Um, so long as it's consenting
Starting point is 00:40:07 adults, right. I think it is absolutely a form of expression that you're allowed to do as an adult. Um, and it's regulated. I can't go do it on the street. Right. So it's on, on a digital space or it's in certain places like a strip club or what have you. So it is regulated and it should be. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I think they expect me to be on the party that is championing championing uh sex work is work but the problem with that is okay well what does that look like what is legal or decriminalization or legalization look like because what you see now and it's like some of like the california more radical cities is it's just everywhere it's openly available you have girls walking on the street now you have more violence because you have more pimps like that's not good either so
Starting point is 00:40:49 i think that people need to have more of a plan for it right yeah i noticed certain states you have to be you have to prove your identity now to watch it right which is really weird because they're doing it under the guise of protecting children but based off of all of the evidence that doesn't it doesn't make a lick of difference because A, kids are way smarter than most of their parents when it comes to tech. You get a VPN and you're right around it. You're banning the biggest porn sites that actually are the most scrutinized.
Starting point is 00:41:14 They actually have the most above board content and over 80% of kids that stumble across their first piece of explicit content, it's actually on a social media site. Wow. It's not on a porn site so you're pretty you're keeping them away from this boogeyman but really the other thing is is the thing you should be concerned about the tiktok the snapchat telegram all of these things that is way more dangerous for a kid and also you need to have protective downloads on your phone if you're giving your kid access like it is such a powerful piece of technology and give it to your eight-year-old and then you're going to say it's the content that's the problem or that it's the government's
Starting point is 00:41:47 job to protect your kid no you're being a shitty parent because you gave your kid a cell phone yeah 100 don't do that you could log in twitter and see porn right now yeah don't do that yeah wow so you don't agree with that then then no because i i think it's um infringing on like a very intimate private thing and i don't think the government belongs in your bedroom. And that probably affected a lot of views and money for the creators, right? Well, right now it's only Pornhub, and Pornhub is notorious for not paying anybody. So the performers back them because if you rank well on Pornhub, it's like a pat on your back acolyte that means absolutely nothing. But they're a sister company to a big shell company that owns every single.
Starting point is 00:42:28 Got it. Basically every big brand name in the US. So they just don't want to piss them off and lose work. So it doesn't affect them. And I honestly think most creators are now like making money on. Oh, yeah. Yeah. A lot of the big ones left.
Starting point is 00:42:41 Yeah. Why would you? Why am I going to go to a set for eight hours risk my safety to some degree when i can do this at home in 10 minutes and make way more and make way more and everything is on my own terms absolutely so how do those rankings work is it based off views partially yes but like any other social you can kind of mess with the algorithm so they'll kind of prop up who they want to prop up to some extent it's like youtube yeah damn yeah you see that on every platform to prop up to some extent. It's like YouTube. Yeah. Damn.
Starting point is 00:43:07 Yeah, you see that on every platform. Like some people just get so pushed. It's like, who are you talking with there? Exactly. Who do I need to be talking to? Yeah. Damn.
Starting point is 00:43:15 That's wild. Well, election's coming up. So vote guys. Otherwise, any closing messages here? No, just thank you for having me on the show.
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