Digital Social Hour - John Salley On Winning 4 NBA Titles, Getting Into Cannabis & Detoxing the Body | DSH #149

Episode Date: November 6, 2023

On today's episode of The Digital Social Hour, we sit down with John Salley to discuss some NBA memories, why he went vegan and how to detox the body BUSINESS INQUIRIES/SPONSORS: [e-mail] APPLY TO BE ON THE POD: https://forms.gle/qXvENTeurx7Xn8Ci9 SPONSORS: Opus Pro: https://www.opus.pro/?via=DSH HelloFresh: https://www.hellofresh.com/50dsh AG1: https://www.drinkAG1.com/DSH Hostage Tape: https://hostagetape.com/DSH LISTEN ON: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 Sean Kelly Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmikekelly/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What was the biggest fight you ever saw in practice? Oh man, I'll tell you my first fight in the NBA. Not even me, I never got into a fight. These are teeth I need. I'm in training camp, I'm a rookie and we're doing Sid Green is here, Rick Mahorn is here, and they start getting into it. Rick Mahorn. So I say, hey man, we're all one team. Sid punched me in the jaw and Rick kicked me in the leg. And when I was on the ground, they were like, stay out of the grown folks business.

And I looked at Chuck Daly, he was like, get up. And I was like, never again. Wow. Point, Kobe went after Chris Child and put his chin forward and he got chin checked. Sean Kelly here. Welcome back to the Digital Social Hour, guys. I'm here with my co-host, Charlie Cavalier, and our guest today, John Sally.

What's up? What's up? Couldn't wait to get here. Yeah. NBA legend and now all about health. I've always been about health, man. But I think I decided in my early 40s that this was going to be it. Yeah?

Yeah. You know, a lot of guys go into, when it came down to Phil Jackson giving me a job or Chuck Person, he gave it to Chuck Person, so I was like, I'm not doing this basketball thing. The only guy I want to work for is Phil, Chuck Daly, but Chuck passed. So I didn't want to get into the, you know, search around for a job, come to practice type thing so i wanted to do what i was passionate about and i've always been passionate about being sexy so i decided to

keep that up that's cool to see because a lot of athletes when they retire they get kind of lost right they don't know what to do next no you and some of them look like they've eaten they're young um so and it's a problem it's it is seriously this is the only spaceship you got and it's a problem. It is seriously this is the only spaceship you got. And it's a problem making it, you know, look like Enterprise. And to me, this is the Enterprise and I got to keep it going. Right. So the logic part of my brain is the doctor spot.

And it tells me, hey, if you eat things that are dead, you're killing your body. If you eat things that too much sugar, that your body can't use, that bring you glucose instead of fructose, that literally go into your fat cells, that cause your stomach to bloat, cause your heart and your veins to expand. And I'm not saying I'm 100% right. I'm just 99.9%. Wow. Like, what exactly does it do?

Well, first thing, if you were getting to a house, let's use a car. If you got an old clunker, big on TikTok, big on Instagram, when they find a car, they bring it into the shop, and then they move everything out, get out the rat poop, mouse poop, and they clean it, and you're listening to them do it. You're seeing the brushes, and then you see the car, right? Haven't started, but you see it clean and wonderful and it makes you look like, wow, they brought that back to life.

It's exactly what you have to do with your body. Wow. And it's like I think there's 12 stages you go to. So in a detox, we put you to do 16 weeks. I know it's a long detox. Yeah, it may seem like it, but it's in pieces. It's in, it's not you starving yourself. It's not you, it's just literally breaking this down. We're gonna move to this.

Then the next week we're gonna go here. And the next week, like you're moving, like you're going up Mount Everest. Cause that's literally what it is. So we got, I say this We got to clean the car. We got to get the rat poop out. We got to maybe take out the carpets and the seats, and we got to wash them down.

And then once we get all that ready, then we'll check the engine and see if the engine is back to what it used to be. But think about this, man. Things that you put in your body we all know i love cannabis i'm a cannabis advocate and i didn't do it when i played really no it was illegal back then right well i don't think i'm black in america everything is illegal yeah but i think it was better back then because you did not smoke when you were in the league? I didn't smoke, drink, nothing.

Yeah, I didn't want to be known. Let me tell you, I'm the only one from my project at the time to make it in the pros. Wow. And my last name is distinctive. And my father said, you wear my name on your back. I didn't want you, when you said my name, to come up with something outside of what I designed. You get some guys who were great players,

and then you say their name, they go drug addict. Great players, alcoholic. Great players, wife beater. I didn't want that. I wanted somebody to say, oh, tough defensive player. Score when he can. And then have a debate. Great team.

I wanted my legacy and my fame to be that. If you see me and you go, I don't like John Sally, that's literally like Keyshawn Johnson said. You don't like yourself. There's a person, and I know it sounds cocky, but it's not. I don't do things negative to other people. So if you don't like what i've done with then that has nothing to do with me it's on you and i didn't want to

give you a reason for it but when my teammate i won't say his name gave me that chronic who was it oh he he has a job now i can't say okay i think we know man my legs felt great my back can we know where you were when it happened i was in i was in sacramento and we were playing really i'm born and raised so the was from sack oh i was bomb i bet it might have been from you it might have been probably what year was it night 2000 nope i was i'm born in 89. Oh my God. Dealing at 11, Charlie? You wasn't dealing at 11? Not at 11. Cavalier. But I had it and I didn't know.

I only believed all of the junk. I believed what they used to say. Right. And when I got out of that, I was like, yo, this is the next thing. And I don't do anything half-witted, half-f***ed. I jumped in and my daughter and I started Deuces22. You can check us out, deuces22.cannabis on Instagram. And I got into the dispensary.

Now I think we're moving into seven dispensaries. Wow. And then, you know, we're building it to sell it. Nice. That's awesome. Definitely getting out of it. That's the way to do it in the cannabis industry. I mean, I worked in it from, like, 19 in california because i used to work in politics

and i knew my way around the red tape and when i saw mike tyson came in with a 40 billion dollar compound i said walmart's here it's time to get out you know that is what happened yep i got into mushrooms now really same yeah yeah i got into mushrooms i I have this great group that makes these unbelievable mushrooms. And I looked at, you know, we're going to do some retreats. Nice. But I don't want to be there. There's another thing about, this is so funny when I told you about the scan and what I'm building. I don't touch people.

Okay. I used to be hands-on. Okay. Adjusting, massaging, sending my energy. And two of my doctors that I work with, Dr. Racky, God rest his soul, and Dr. Shen, God rest his soul, they both were in the touching and trying to help people heal with their energy. And they both had pancreatic cancer. And so I said, this has to be, because these are the two kindest guys in so i said this has to be so it has to be because these two

kindest guys in the world it has to be something and i just think it comes from too much contact too much getting in touch so i can give the advice move it in the right direction uh i just called my guy in belize and i think i want to do some of the things in Belize. We're not sure. Wait, so what's in Belize? Black people that speak English. I just saw my boy Bobby Bowden introduce me to a guy who became like the prince of Belize. Nice. Let me go check it.

And every time Bobbyby bought it puts me on something i i pay attention i don't know man i like palm springs i loved out here in red rock i like southern california uh tennessee i live in nashville i love tennessee oh yeah man out there i love tennessee really yeah i man. I love Tennessee. Really? Yeah, I could not believe it. I live on Broadway right across from Bridgestone. Really? Yeah, I was there two weeks ago.

Me too. I've never been. I got to get out there. You've never been? I'm trying to get him out there. Let me tell you something. Broadway, I tell every artist. I got an artist named Beta Velly.

She's unbelievable. I said, you have to perform on Broadway. And she was like, I'm a hip-hop artist. I'm R&B. That's unbelievable i said you have to perform on broadway and she was like i'm a hip-hop artist i said yep when you see it yep you perform and they walk around with a bucket after they perform it's the most humbling thing i have ever seen in my life because it's amazing you're putting your heart out and then you got to go with people and go give me a tip what do you think and you know some people throw your dollar some people wave you by so you have to go out there that's literally hustling for your money wow yeah it's a it's a it's a dope and i've i've seen drunk that i've never seen yeah i saw somebody walking on their hands oh dude yeah i i'll do a sober lap around broadway just i'll be up working until 1 2 a.m in the morning sometimes and i'm the only 131 00RDF2 00RDF2 00RDF2 00RDF2 00RDF2 00RDF2 00RDF2 00RDF2 00RDF2

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No, I'll tell you this. How about I tell you this? How about when I got to the Lakers? Because by this time, I was 35 when I got to the Lakers because by this time I was 35 I get to the Lakers and there's like this room that lounge outside of but only person in the lounge was cold dog mmm like nobody else would like really go into the lounge yeah that's cuz he had been there since 4 o'clock and we don't have to be there until six and guys shoot do whatever come back in 20 minutes to seven kobe had been there since four so he's mostly it's like oh that's his rest area because he's coming from another area

full of fruit i saw pat riley made sure the place was full of fruit understanding it's the highest vibrating food and i know we're going to talk about starch um carbohydrates which are but those are i that's my only thing about the difference me being of african descent and you being of cave descent um we have fruit those fruit give us the unbelievable energy our body was built different watch everyone go crazy over what i'm gonna say but i understood what dr sabie was saying i just say it differently because i still believe we're all human it's just that certain things are going to work for in certain ways differently. That's the best way to put it. I didn't know that, because of genetic, how people are raised is different.

Yeah, like Dr. Sebi would say, in Africa, there is none of this, right? So that's not what your body is designed to deal with. You have melatonin. So melanin in your body, not melatonin. You have melanin in your body. So whenatonin. You have melanin in your body. So when the sun hits you, you get tons of energy. Different than being burnt and not being able

to have light eyes and being sensitive. Your dark eyes, your dark skin, your curly hair literally is an extension and gives you energy from the sun. It's crazy. Wow, I didn't know that. So now you're saying I now have an excuse to be bad at certain things you have unbelievable my man my ankles are too big yeah just say that my ankles are too big so when i think of you know you're thinking about what you want your dad to think about when he sees the name sally on the back yeah i think about

being a winner right you were the first person to ever win a ring with three different teams it has been done by a few others now. Three decades, two millenniums. Three decades, two millenniums. I have to know, what was the biggest fight you ever saw in practice? Oh, man. This was old school, too. I played for the Pistons.

I know. Oh. You were the Jordan Rules. And- The biggest fight was. And I know the rules won because there's, you know, my favorite stat about you is you hold the record,

the Georgia tech record for most personal fouls in a career. He's getting four game. I'm using all of them. What are you doing? I go, I got to let them know I'm here. I'm skinny. I got to let them know I'm here.

I saw Mark aguirre go against bill and beer oh and we were in portland and i never forgot that mark aguirre was dipping i i thought i was watching smoking joe frazier like he was dipping back and forth like mike tyson and i think bill and beer, oh, baby can fight. I'm not, you know, just backing away from it. And no one, I'm going to tell you my first fight in the NBA. Not even me. I never got into a fight because these are teeth I need.

I'm in training camp. I'm a rookie. And, you know, we're doing Sid Green is here. Rick Mahorn is here. And they start getting into it. Rick Mahorn. Rick Mahorn. So I said, hey, man, we're all one team.

And Sid punched me in the jaw and Rick kicked me in the leg. And when I was on the ground, they were like, stay out of the grown folks' business. And I looked at Chuck Daly. He was like, get up. And he was like get up and i was like never again wow i wore i wore two mouthpieces people didn't know that one on the top one on the bottom i just knew i was gonna need these teeth and i wasn't getting them knocked out but i i learned too when guys and you don't walk up on people with your hands down right if you feel like saying something talk to them like

this yeah you always say yo fam you better talk like this and the point kobe went after chris childs and put his chin forward and he got chin checked oh kobe got chin checked chin check yeah you don't walk up on anybody without also the rick fox doug christie situation jordan pool too yeah well that was a little different but well he knew he was coming he did i i heard some rumors that he said some before all that leading up to it probably that there was there i don't want to repeat it incorrectly but apparently everyone knew that that was coming when it happened yeah so it's like why no one said anything before yeah yeah and then one got resigned and one got traded yeah i should tell you stuff happens hey

such is life yeah new starts out of your three rings which one was the hardest oh four my bud which one was the hardest journey first one really yeah because my first year we get to the eastern conference championship and we get cheated i mean we lose i'm a kings fan we get to the Eastern Conference Championship and we get cheated. I mean, we lose. I'm a Kings fan. We get cheated. We get cheated. My next year we beat the Celtics. They walk off court without shaking our hands. I just thought I'd mention that. We lose. We get cheated again. We lose to the Lakers. And then the next year, we win the championship.

So 89. But the hardest was 90. Because the next year, so I'm going to say my second, everybody wants to beat the championship team. But everywhere you go is a playoff game for 82 regular season games. Jeez. Yeah, it was a trip. We hear that a lot from coaches and players that the hardest thing to do in sports other than winning is repeat back to back yeah it is trying to it's that mental state too man you get no time off i remember we

won the first championship everyone said to me oh man you guys gonna win next year i mean we had just one yeah and that was the question what are you gonna do next year? I mean, we had just won. And that was the question. What are you gonna do next year? Can we have the parade first? Yeah, can we have next year? And then once you win again, they go, hey, you gotta get three in a row. No, I don't. But you think you gotta get three in a row.

That's the tough part. For sure. What were the key factors on the championship teams that you think really led them to be successful? Focus. Everyone do their role and this is the trip mark aguirre we call him drawers as my guy he's a scorer he was a scorer everyone knows he's a scorer he came on and started playing defense when he got to the pistol

more defense dennis robin was a rebounder and a hustler Bill Lambert is literally focused and a trouble starter and takes all of the all of the energy because you want to hate him, he takes all of the hate energy Joe Dumas was quiet silent killer

Vinnie Johnson should have gotten the ball way more than he should, I'm saying that for you who, way more than he should i'm saying that for you who way more than he should have and then isaiah has to be the ultimate superstar yeah um gotta play your role man i'm in my chuck daley so i see you scored in college uh this is how it works he gets it then he gets it then he gets it and he gets it if you get it off the backboard it's yours wow imagine being told that as a player averaging 20 in college yeah i mean i mean you are you mean Then he gets it. Then he gets it. And he gets it. If you get it off the backboard, it's yours. Wow. Imagine being told that as a player, averaging 20 in college.

Yeah. I mean, you're all ACC. Yeah. You made it to Elite Eight. You were the ACC champ. And I'm thinking, yeah, I'm going to come in here. Nah. But I had the best job in the world, man. Dennis Rodman and I, they put us in the game, and I had fun.

And you would see it, too. I don't think a lot of people have fun playing really pros no it's not fun we mentioned that a lot actually how we see people just not having fun with what they do with the daily basis but like i love seeing you had fun i had fun i had fun and maybe too much fun because my teammates would be like this i was like i'm having fun like i still treated it like oh man i getting in the game here it goes i'm i'm gonna you know you gotta remember this and you gotta remember that so to me i don't know a lot of the technical stuff in in sports don't let him put the orange

thing in orange thing put the orange thing in his orange thing and you're gonna do that for 48 minutes yeah you're gonna have fun doing it uh so i like that like and you know going to do that for 48 minutes. You're going to have fun doing it. So I like that. And I started this podcast with one of my NBA buddies named Frank Borkowski. It's called Legend to Legend. And sometime I interviewed just him and other people and he interviewed people. And he was completely in another squad.

And we hit it off. It it was amazing we hit it off and we've been friends since i don't know 1987 wow and i still haven't been to montana i'm not you know i haven't i ain't kanye yet but i haven't but i'm going out to montana to hang when he came in we shot and we we talk about things and we I hear his stories and my stories and I make my stories funny some of his stories you go man who do I donate this money to oh man so you knew Dennis Rodman at the Pistons and on the 95 96 team obviously he changed quite a bit during those years. What was the good and the bad of each version?

I just saw him on Vlad TV. And after he did that interview, he got a tattoo on his face of his now girlfriend. And I can't follow a lot of times what he says still my man i love him to death it's like i just call him my little brother and he's four years older than me um the difference is i think a lot has been put on Dennis. Not that he doesn't need it, but a lot. And he has so many things he gets pulled from. And we just looked him at, we called him Big Man,

and he was this happy-go-lucky kid. The good part is when we first got there, he loved video games. So we lived in a hotel. Of course, the street was the mall. He would go go into the arcade you couldn't do that in 2023 he couldn't play in the video and he would wait we'd be out of practice the kids would get out of school 3 3 30 and he's in there you know the same way couldn't do that they would think that is um weird and and not cool um but I also saw the lights get bigger and him get pulled I watched him on the VH1 reality show and he said some things I had absolutely no idea about wow and you know you think you somebody, but I had no idea about him. And, you know, he has a lot of things he's dealing with.

So I would say over the time is him having to deal with so many things at this age. Wow. So you mentioned you never got in fights, but were you involved with trash talking at all? Yeah, I talk a lot. Sugar, honey, iced tea. I didn't have to get a fight. I had Rick Mahorn. Yeah.

You hit me, Ricky, gonna kill you. He can say whatever on the piss. You can do whatever. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's every inch of what he had to. I know. You know what we used to do in Miami?

You know, you do something, you dunk on somebody, you know, you hear and you walk by and there's a foul and everyone's going crazy and you see that guy's all pissed off you go down that'll get you in a fight top time and i wanted to get in a fight with mj because he dunked on me on cbs and i know my mother was watching ah ah i told him he said god he did that to a lot of people. Yeah, yeah. But I didn't want to be one of them. Were you talking to him? I constantly tell you, you know, when I did, I was like, yeah, we're going to get you tonight. He dropped 63. So I never said anything else. Because, you know, a lot of people and I'm glad I'm on your show to say this.

A lot of people was like thinking I was hating on him. He's one of my favorite people on the planet. I've been around him since earlier than anybody else remembers him. And I used to say to him, every time I get on the air, I'm going to say opposite. He goes, you're just going to piss people off. I go, I know. I'm going to say opposite of what they said. And I even said to James Worthy, I said, can you believe skinny Michael Jordan is the messiah?

And he was like, yeah, man, the way they treat him. That's James Worthy, who was the number one pick, who was his vet. You know, we just can't believe the way it has evolved with people. Like, I can't believe the way people are treating Steph Curry. You know, his father, you know, we came out together into the pros. I got it. Pause. We came into the NBA together.

Came out. Yeah. We came out together. I ain't in. I sounded wrong. I ain't in. But we came in the NBA together. We were Playboy Americans together.

And I remember everybody was talking smack about Steph. And I now see him strengthen his ankles, strengthen his knees, strengthen his shoulders, strengthen his mentality. And he changed the NBA. First, Michael Jordan changed the NBA. And then the next player to change the nba was shaquille o'neal but excuse me then steph curry not the reason i didn't say no the reason i didn't say that because magic johnson changed the nba magic johnson and larry bird they handled

the ball they shoot three-pointers what bird did yeah uh they drive they get their players involved lebron lebron is on that path is that path right they blazed it and he made it wider he made it they made it a two-lane highway he made it a six-lane highway um but shaquille as big as he was and as dominant as he was, if Shaq at that time knew what he knows today, he'd been the leading scorer in the NBA. Wow. Yeah.

It just, you know, they were beating the mess out of him every time they could. And it was personal. It was hurting. He was tired. If he knew now, his whole game would have been different. Wow. But then Steph Curry, that long ball, the fact that when you see somebody shoot it,

you don't think they're crazy now. We used to think it was crazy. But then you watch Bob Cousy. If you happen to see any time they show any Celtic stuff, they show Bob Cousy shooting from that almost as far. And there was no three-pointer. So it made sense to throw it to the biggest guy who was closer to the basket. Now you can throw it to him, and he wants to dribble out and shoot a three.

So the game has changed. And I'd say on my podcast, I say I'm tired of all the older guys saying, man, couldn't play in our day we couldn't play in this day no way really yeah I I watch the NBA summer league on television because if I come here it costs me money um and we couldn't do this the way they're playing now it could not play like that. Wow. Well, you would have figured that. I mean, like, your body, you could have made it happen. But the way you were brought up, like, yeah. Yeah, I would have been.

Because you can't touch anybody. Right. I would have been so much better. If we had some of the rules here, I would have not listened to Chuck Daly, and I would have grabbed the ball. Even though I tried a lot just to drive. I remember one time I grabbed the ball even though i tried a lot just to drive i remember one time i grabbed the ball off the backboard and i'm dribbling down court and i do and i'm

thinking what happened yeah what are you doing and i said starting a fast break so that's isaiah thomas yeah when you get the rebound you find one of those two he gets it then he gets it yeah like understand the routine. I was like, dude, I'm from New York. I'm like Jerry Reynolds, Ice Reynolds. I can dribble. Nah, pass the ball. Now Victor's doing it, though.

Yeah, Victor's doing it. What's his name? Ball Ball? Yeah, Ball Ball. Yeah, he got cut. I wonder why he got cut. He just got cut, and he seems like, and I don't want to disrespect him by saying this, but he seems like maybe like a poor man's version of what Victor is,

or like, I'm not trying to put him down, but like. Or vice versa. Or vice versa, right? Like, you know, it seems like Wobble has a lot of the same skills that Mignogna does, but like it's not translating for him right now. Really? You don't think, I mean. I don't watch unless they pay me,

because I used to watch for free, and then I they were taking a day to play so yeah and they they when i got to the lakers they paid me to watch make sure shack didn't fall uh so to just sit around and give them two hours and not be able to commentate on it i don't do that as much but i'm watching what they put on television now uh i am definitely a tiktok um addict okay i have to admit to it i have to literally my phone will beat at a certain time at night and that means i have to cut it off put it down wow i have definitely joined this society that comes to this like this uh but i watch a ton of things i'll take i watch the nba finals on tiktok really what they have it on tick tock yeah somebody was somebody was doing it live and as opposed to me running home to see it i just watched their live

wow and i didn't know how that was legal it probably wasn't it definitely was not yeah but it was cool you just didn't watch during the commercials then it kicked back on that's funny it was it was yeah it was funny it was it was fun to watch too uh what was it like um being in the bad boys movie that's an iconic series uh yeah we just shot bad boys 4 okay and my part my part, look, I was with Will. Will had like this little private screening for Bad Boys 3. And I'm not going to say anything crazy. Why not?

Well, I wasn't in it. So I was like, yeah, nice. I should have been in that one. He goes, Sal, we had to switch it up. I was like, okay. Next thing you know, he called me, texted me and said, you're going to get a call. We're going to start shooting in two weeks it up. I was like, okay. Next thing you know, he calls me, texts me and said, you're going to get a call.

We're going to start shooting in two weeks. You available? Yes, sir. And I went in and I read the script. And this time I was at the table read. Nice. And I'm telling you, man, it was so cool. Because in the other two, I weren't in any of the table reads.

They made my part up the first time. So just being in this one. And then the two young directors killed it um martin was back at his on his high horse nice he was back up there doing his thing will was great um and i think it's the funniest and the most action in this fall that's gonna and the changes are amazing and i i said that i go yo whoever wrote this and then i met the writers it's a great job nice great job yeah martin lawrence is amazing blue street i mean there's some underrated martin lawrence movies out there tell me i remember uh when martin first started he we went to see a screening of his first movie talking dirty after dark well his first movie where he was kind of starring and he was in Do the Right Thing.

But this one, he really was doing something. And he didn't like it as much. I liked it because, you know, hey, you're doing something. I said the same thing to Chris. If you're on that screen, this is this is i also i remember saying this when i was on best damn sports show to chris rose if you make it in the nba you do not suck if you make it on a professional team where they're writing you a contract you do not you you may not be as great as the great ones but you can't say oh man i can't believe this guy he sucks yeah when you

make it to the pros yeah you don't suck yeah you may be in a bad position because think about it you may be a great point guard but then you get drafted to a team with steph curry's on but you ain't gonna play yeah unless he gets hurt um so that doesn't mean you suck. You just don't have the opportunity or the space. Same thing with a movie. If you happen to make it past the producers into the writing room, with the director, and they say you got the role, you can act. Period. End of discussion.

So when you see people say, man, they did a bad act. Like I had this conversation the other day on my boy ari show the beat on msnbc um we do this he does a series called fall back and i wanted all the critics to fall back on idol i think um the weekend I think The Weeknd did probably the best acting job I've seen of a so-called non-actor. Wow. In a long, long time. I heard he killed it. I believe he killed it. I've been around it.

I played pro basketball, but if you ask, I wanted to be an actor. I just grew to seven foot. So then when I made that decision that that's what I wanted to be an actor. I just grew to seven foot. So then when I made that decision that that's what I wanted to do, Ivana Chubik, I was in those acting classes. I took private. I read books. I watched movies that you wouldn't normally watch.

So when I watch people like that, when I watch critics who, what they say, when you can't do, you coach. Well, if you can't act you could you critique acting and I think the weekend did I think the Idol it was so good to me because I was in the music business around the music business and I'm around people in Hollywood And the way that they, I guess, create and destroy lives is a trip. Hollywood? Hollywood.

Yeah, well, you kind of let it happen, but it's a trip. It's a trip to watch what you have to go through. Wow. And what they make you believe. Seeing what they did to Dave Chappelle is still one of the worst horror stories ever. Yeah, and you knew it wasn't. Yep. Oh, he's a crack addict yeah knew he wasn't no before he even came back

from his vacation they had already ruined his entire reputation in life because he wouldn't sign for the third season for the amount of money they wanted so when they can't control you they go out they just ruin you wow that's scary you played on a lot of iconic teams yeah what player maybe like maybe there's a given month or window. I mean, obviously, it's easy to say MJ or Shaq. Right. But like, was there ever just like a game when you went in knowing that they had no chance because you had so and so with you? Oh, but like what was what was like that pinnacle of that? Right. Because I mean, you had the Pistons teams. You were on the ninety five, ninety six Bulls-2000 Lakers. What was the team where you were just laughing borderline

about the ability of the other team to even have a chance? Chicago Bulls. Okay. The greatest team ever. We won 72 games. And I know people who want to argue saying that the Golden State Warriors won 73. 72-10 has a better ring to it. And we won the championship. Well, that's the 72 and 10 has a better ring to it. And we won the championship.

Well, that's the thing. It has a better ring to it. I love that. I love that. I can't believe I let that slide for four seconds. Man, good job. Because when you walk in with MJ, you're going to win. Facts. Let me tell you, no one wanted to play against him right

and so all those guys talking about yeah i got it mike you had to do that because you knew you were about to get dogged um but it is mj you walk in with mj and you walked it wasn't just mj it was the system because no one could beat the triangle system to the point where I watched Steve Kerr set up the triangle as opposed to starting on the side it starts high like he just moved it to this section and no one has realized oh with the Warriors yeah why the Warriors are where they get to that point where what's happening the spacing wow that is so important i remember tex winters god rest his soul like literally autograph the book to me because i would sit and ask them tons of questions about this offense and and i'm gonna tell you

if i were the coach i would want to be in the nba but that means you know you can't go to the same nightclubs. Guys can't date the same women. That was a problem back then. I'm just joking, kind of. Probably a bigger issue now than social media. Don't be sliding those DMs players. I could not have lived with DMs. No, definitely not. There's too much evidence. Too much.

Too much. Like, the best thing about being a professional athlete back in the day was city to city to city. You had a different look, a different feel. Accents were different. Clothing was different. Restaurants were different. It was cool. Now, with the internet, and I say this, accents were different clothing was different restaurants were different but it was it was

cool now with the internet and i say this and i'm not being an old guy when i say this everything's vanilla yeah i was in the airport like i said and i saw these guys wearing clothes and i said oh i know where you got those i know where you got those pants i know where you got that bad everyone is starting to look alike. Everything looks alike. When I used to be able to go down to Georgia, they dressed a certain way. You go to Philadelphia, they cut their hair in a fade. Then I got up to New York so you can look like Big Daddy Kane. And then in California, they had Jerry Curl or Shag also on the side.

It was just different. Now everything is the same girl's got the same eyelashes the same botox the same injected booty and new boobs uh and they all rhyme the same that's so true there's no personality there's no personality no social media every other city we go every other city we go i'll let you finish the Tupac song. I know it. I was ready for that one. When you look back at the coaches you played for, which ones stand out to you?

Chuck Daly. Period. Why? Daddy Rich was an old-time Irish dude, man. And, you know, the voice, the demeanor, the energy, and the respect. You know, a lot of guys don't realize when they see guys, these young guys come in the NBA, they know you're young and they cuddle you.

Chuck Daly would be like, hey, this is what I need you to do. And would talk you through, just not in the game. He's not going to cuddle you during the game. He's already told you what was going on. Phil Jackson, same way. We yell and blow whistles in practice. So when the game comes, you could dance like you're supposed to. I said something negative about Kevin Lockery.

He was my coach in Miami. I said something negative because I felt he did so much negative to me. And then I apologized. I was like, I didn't need – he was probably going through whatever he was going through. Yeah. You got coaches, man, trying to take care of Fortune 500 teams. You got 12, what I mean, Fortune 500 companies on your squad. I saw a player get $26 million the other day. There's companies that don't gross in the millions.

These guys are getting it per year to do what most guys are doing for free or what I would have done for free until I learned I can get paid for it. Such a call girl. But that's my mentality. The mentality of a coach who can bring things out of you, teach you things and not make you feel bad. Some coaches thought it was important to embarrass you, break you down and then build you back up. I didn't like Bobby Knight. I used to watch that and didn't think I liked, man, I got on the best damn sports show.

I got to know Bobby Knight. I almost went fishing and I'm a vegan just to hang around. Like I was like, man, if you would've come recruit me, I would've been in Indiana. Like that's how much I like Bobby Knight. So certain coaches move you a certain way. But when it comes down to it, I love Coach Malone. So Brendan Malone's son is now the winner

of the championship. And I said to Isaiah, I said, am I imagining this? He goes, no. He used to run his little ass around the locker room. You remember that? I go, man, now he's winning championships and cursing. He's like, you know, it's in the blood. I love Coach Malone.

He recruited me to go to Syracuse. Wow. So that's how long I love him. Why did you choose Tech? I went to Georgia Tech because i'm smart good education system or yeah i went to georgia tech because no i went to georgia tech because one i didn't think anybody in my neighborhood would drive to georgia driving to south carolina was 18 my 18. They wasn't going to keep coming down to Georgia. I think the next reason I went is it was in Atlanta, Georgia,

and I was 18 years old with no parents, and I was in Chocolate, the unbelievable Chocolate City, and it was new for me. But Georgia Tech also was an unbelievable institution of higher learning. Amazing school. And when you get out of there, everyone was saying, talking about whether you get a job. That was the place if you did have to find a place to get a job.

Delta, American Express, Coca-Cola. Those are all alums. And when you look at it that way, that was it. And we were, you know, Coach Perry Clark, I talked to him today. Nice. Bobby Crimmins still sends me a postcard. A guy who used to look out for me, John Stanford. And what I mean look out for me, John Stanford didn't give me any money but he gave me advice and he was a nice guy to be around and his daughters and his wife

were all great to me and you know you don't always they call them boosters it literally is the morale um john stanford i still talk to him uh So this was a place where I had lasting relationships. I said my favorite coach at one time was Coach Felton. He's in the pros now. Those, I picked the right place. I knew I was going to have lasting relationships. I didn't go to Syracuse because even though Brendan Malone wanted me, what's the coach?

Baham? Yeah, Johan. Moham, yeah. I think he's a d***. Still do. Really? Yeah. Not one of my favorite people.

Not one of your favorite? No. I thought he was like a legendary coach. He is. Oh, really? That's what I heard. I don't know. I don't know anything I played for him, though.

He won a championship when Melllow was there right um he's enjoyed one of the longest ten years of anybody in college sports yeah i tried i talked to him when i saw him one day and i said something to him and he goes uh i said something i said coach i'm saying he said hey i said hello john like whatever and i was like in my brain i was like god i wish i could smack this dude oh so he's kind of like yeah i just and i didn't like him when i was about to go in and i just feel like and then it's not even a big east it's like syracuse was where i wanted to go uh pearl washington and i had been up there kenny smith we were all we were all up there in pious state games playing the syracuse and you know you get to play with the orange and they had window alexis in front of me and he felt he was a better player and then i just didn't think he was a good guy yeah wow and from what i read

i was right yeah john's been a pleasure man What are you working on next? Literally, just check me out, johnsally.com, man. And I want you guys, I want to, even though when you do your scan, I want to show you. And maybe, you know, you take some of my herbs. Yeah. And in some of them, you can smoke. We'll do a body scan. We'll do a smoke session. We'll go vegan for a month.

A month? First, we're going to detox you. Okay. Detox first. Okay. Detox. Four-month detox. month detox well yeah 16 weeks 16 weeks that's only because i want i want you to take your time and i want you to see it happen and then we reboot you okay let's do it i'm down all right thanks for tuning in guys i'll see you next time